McCain issues whining: ‘”There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year’
“There will be no cooperation for the rest of the year. They have poisoned the well in what they’ve done and how they’ve done it.”
– U.S. Sen. John McCain. R-AZ
So having lost, Johnny and his angry friends are going to take their ball and go home. Petulance will take precedence over the best interests of the country. The Party of No is announcing its intention to become the Party of Hell No. With a heavy and quite important agenda yet ahead — financial regulation, immigration, long-term solutions to our budget problems, the economy — “there will be no cooperation for the rest of the year.”
Well, let’s see how that sits with the American people who pay their salary.
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Decoder Ring Operating Instructions
March 22nd, 2010
1:34 pm
Look, then. I’m not your librarian.
Curses! That coffee stain has blotted out the code.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
1:36 pm
FarnkLeedarling, I always love the “everyone around me” comments. As if they prove anything. Most people associate with people they agree with. Just as CNN polls tend to favor the liberal point of view, as you usually can see when they bother to publish their demographics.
I can say the same thing about the people I associate with, and they agree with me.
But it doesn’t prove a thing.
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
1:36 pm
Dave R.,
“Look, then. I’m not your librarian.”
I have on FOX, Rasmussen, NYT, CNN, LA Times, Washington Times and Post, NY Post, Voice of America, ABC, CBS, BBC, Herald Tribune and NPR…and I still cannot find it. If it is a prominent as you say, why isn’t it easy to find?
If you have the link, I would certainly appreciate it.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
1:37 pm
Doggone: Translation: I’m not your friggin’ librarian.
jefferson
March 22nd, 2010
1:38 pm
I wonder if you asked someone who said they didn’t like the new law “Why?” could they answer with a specific.
FrankLeeDarling
March 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm
“But it doesn’t prove a thing.”
and neither do your imaginary polls
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm
“I’m not your friggin’ librarian”
Careful, you’ll offend Pennsylvanian with your use of a euphemism for “that word”
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
1:46 pm
Jefferson, I think that you are underestimating the American people on this issue. This has been the most debated and publicized issue in the last 40 years, and I think that most everyone could name a bunch of things they did or didn’t like.
Normal
March 22nd, 2010
1:46 pm
My 1:23 refutes DAVE R’s numbers, I believe…
md
March 22nd, 2010
1:47 pm
“I wonder if you asked someone who said they didn’t like the new law “Why?” could they answer with a specific.”
Cost – we don’t have the money. 14 trillion in debt and we just added to it.
-The MA healthcare plan (on which this is based) is currently 5x over the projected cost.
-41 States (of which will be required to help fund this bill) are currently battleing deficits.
Don’t know about you, but I see no way for their numbers to pan out as they say they will, throw in the other programs running deficits, and we are so screwed.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm
“My 1:23 refutes DAVE R’s numbers, I believe…”
Better post a link, though, before he starts crowing about it.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
1:49 pm
“Cost – we don’t have the money. 14 trillion in debt and we just added to it.”
to everyone who says this: how are we going to pay for the inevitable rise in healthcare costs that is going to come anyway? The costs ARE going to go up. So where is the money going to come from…healthcare bill or no healthcare bill?
joan
March 22nd, 2010
1:50 pm
I wouldn’t be whining if I were him, I would be as mad as hell. Boehner said it all. Backroom deals, shady deals, arm twisting, and God knows what else got this awful bill across. I am for reform–most are. But not government takeover. Now it owns automotive companies, can control which colleges students can go to and our healthcare. Isn’t that pretty socialistic? How far does it have to go to be socialist? If McCain weren’t a whiner, he would have been elected President. Too bad we didn’t have a stronger man in play.
Kamchak
March 22nd, 2010
1:50 pm
I see that le petit caporal has yet another sock puppet.
mm
March 22nd, 2010
1:52 pm
“And when you do it with 75% of Americans against it,”
“Just curious…Where is this number coming from?”
1 of 2 places -
1. Fox News
2. Where the sun don’t shine.
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
1:52 pm
Normal,
“My 1:23 refutes DAVE R’s numbers, I believe…”
Those are closer to the numbers I have been finding…and it was done this weekend.
Without a link to the specific poll, I have to say this 75% number is rather groundless at present.
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
1:54 pm
Doggone/GA,
“Better post a link, though, before he starts crowing about it.”
Normal posted the byline, which leads to the link
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/88309-poll-majority-oppose-health-bill-still-trust-dems-and-obama-
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/22/rel5a.pdf
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm
Doggine, you find a way to fix the things that are affecting the budget by making them revenue neutral, not adding to the deficit and double counting savings. You fix the things that are wrong, not play with things that aren’t.
Stuart Varney had a great figure he quoted this morning about insurance company profits. He said that the top five health care insurance provider profits combined would fund this bill for two days.
If you added in the higher overhead they charge for their services, you’d still only fund this bill less than a month.
This bill doesn’t address the cost problem one tiny bit. It just shifts the burden to taxpayers with money we don’t have.
StJ
March 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm
“The Party of No is announcing its intention to become the Party of Hell No.”
Should have been that way from the beginning.
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm
#1 Foxy Lady,
“SUCKING IT, LOSERS!!!!”
That isn’t very lady like.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm
Fox News poll. Closer to 65% total.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/18/fox-news-poll-oppose-health-care-reform/
Satisfied?
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm
“This bill doesn’t address the cost problem one tiny bit. It just shifts the burden to taxpayers with money we don’t have.”
The costs are going to be there either way…I prefer that the costs go up to help give the uninsured access to affordable insurance, rather than paying the higher costs knowing that in the meanwhile people are dying or sick because they can’t get help with their health issues.
I don’t see balancing the budget on the backs if the ill as a gain.
Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)
March 22nd, 2010
2:00 pm
But not government takeover. Now it owns automotive companies, can control which colleges students can go to and our healthcare.
啊我的 freaking 上帝。
Thought I’d do that one for you Bosch.
Can you show where the government controls which college a student can attend?
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
2:00 pm
Dave R.,
“Satisfied?”
Thanks!
mm
March 22nd, 2010
2:04 pm
“Fox News poll. Closer to 65% total.”
You are using a Fox News poll? I think it speaks volumes that a rightwing hack network could only get 65% of their glassy eyed robots to oppose reform.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
2:07 pm
mm, if you look at the dynamics of a Fox poll, as opposed to a CNN poll, they use a more balanced approach to their respondents.
In short, they actually don’t shade their polls like CNN does.
N-GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:09 pm
To kinda borrow a phrase from “Clerks”:
Senator McCain, You’ll be missed!
jefferson
March 22nd, 2010
2:09 pm
Do the polls reflect actual voters?
If costs is the problem, we better quit spending so much overseas…
David
March 22nd, 2010
2:11 pm
So the GOP keeps being the party of No. No new ideas. No meaningful compromise. No reason to stay in office.
joe matarotz
March 22nd, 2010
2:11 pm
Jay, I was just wondering if you had any insight as to when Congress will start looking out for our best interests? Any chance that might start during our lifetimes?
Peadawg
March 22nd, 2010
2:13 pm
If costs is the problem, we better quit spending so much. PERIOD.
There, jefferson, fixed your sentence. It’s getting way out of hand….
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm
Interesting how Fox words the poll for those opposed:
24. (If opposed, Q23=2, n=493) Which one of the following comes closest to
describing the MAIN reason you oppose the health care legislation?
SCALE: 1. It is too big and tries to do too much too quickly
2. It will cost too much
3. It will reduce the quality of health care
4. (All)
5. (No public option)
6. (Other)
7. (Don’t know)
Vs how CNN words the poll:
21. (IF OPPOSE) Do you oppose that legislation because you think its approach toward health care istoo liberal, or because you think it is not liberal enough?
Favor (from Question 20) 39%
Oppose, too liberal 43%
Oppose, not liberal enough 13%
No opinion 5%
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:17 pm
“If costs is the problem, we better quit spending so much overseas…”
It is going to take a lot more than that, we need to quit spending so much across the board. Take a look at Greece – in reality, we are not too far behind them as far as % of deficit to GDP. It is going to get ugly, it has to.
NowReally
March 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm
Keep spreading the lies, most Repugs are not for healthcare reform. They are for Tort Reform, there is a difference.
They are for less regulations and profits for insurance companies. They are for Healthcare is NOT a RIGHT, but a PRIVILEDGE. They are pro-life, as long as you have the money for your doctor bills (i.e. health insurance).
They are a joke.
Karl
March 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm
The great thing about this bill will be how some of you fools react when the cost of this bill and the loss of rights become a reality. You are so dependent upon government support and control that you only think you have rights. When the socialism you support and your devotion to the chosen one is depleted, it will make great viewing. No whinning here and McCain is dead on. F*** **
stands for decibels
March 22nd, 2010
2:21 pm
Pardon me for jumping back in, but about the topic of healthcare legislation polling, you really gotta go here for a good picture of how the various firms are phrasing the questions, as well as overall trendlines.
If I were running things, and trying to get inside the head of an actual likely voter, I’d phrase it as Gallup had done, to wit:
Thinking about health care legislation now being considered by Congress, would you advise your member of Congress to vote for or against a healthcare bill this year, or do you not have an opinion?
But to be honest, if you have a specific axe to grind, you can find a pollster with a question and a set of results that will support your claim.
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm
“to everyone who says this: how are we going to pay for the inevitable rise in healthcare costs that is going to come anyway? The costs ARE going to go up. So where is the money going to come from…healthcare bill or no healthcare bill?”
The million dollar question. When costs go up in your household, what do you do? Spend more?
If it continues, the options get smaller and smaller – we have to cut something, where do you suggest? Give everybody insurance – OK, now, what you gonna cut? SS? Medicaid? Medicare?
Somebody is going to get screwed, if it continues, 30 million without insurance will be the least of our problems.
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm
“They are pro-life, as long as you have the money for your doctor bills”
Last I checked, opening ones legs was a choice – why would they need a doctor?
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm
NowReally, please make your case that health care is a right.
How can something that requires the active participation of another be a right?
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
2:28 pm
“Last I checked, opening ones legs was a choice – why would they need a doctor?”
Actually this did make me think of something….does anyone know if this bill does anything about putting birth control pills and emergency contraception on parity with erectile dysfunction medication when it comes to insurance companies?
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:28 pm
“The million dollar question. When costs go up in your household, what do you do? Spend more?”
That’s not an answer to the question I asked. If my MEDICAL costs go up, I don’t save money by forcing someone else in my family to give up THEIR medical options.
mm
March 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm
“mm, if you look at the dynamics of a Fox poll, as opposed to a CNN poll, they use a more balanced approach to their respondents.
In short, they actually don’t shade their polls like CNN does.”
Oh please. I don’t watch either one of those rightwing networks.
Bottom line: McCain campaigned against reform. Obama campaigned for it. Look who won. America spoke in 2008. They will finish cleaning out the repugs in 2010.
Joel Edge
March 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm
I wouldn’t cooperate either. Why aid the slide into socialism?
AmVet
March 22nd, 2010
2:30 pm
The Party of No has no one to blame but themselves for this debacle.
First, for losing in epic fashion the WH and congress due to the BushCo As a Consummate Failure syndrome I spoke of earlier.
But even more egregious is the irrefutable fact that for year after year after year when they controlled both the executive and legislative branches they did exactly what to deal with his obvious growing monster, this out of control clusterf&ck, this corporate fleecing of American families?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ
But secondly
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm
Dave R.
The case is NotReally is unemployed, has no prospect of potential employment, doesnt want to be employed and wants everyone else to pay.
Since NotReally has nothing and intends to do nothing about it, it is everyone else responsbility to and his/her right to have HCare. Plus there is that constitutional guarantee thing also…
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm
“That’s not an answer to the question I asked. If my MEDICAL costs go up, I don’t save money by forcing someone else in my family to give up THEIR medical options.”
OK, where do you save? We can ask questions all day long – got any answers?
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm
Rephrase…
“…this out of control clusterf&ck, this corporate fleecing of American families via the Bush Crime Syndicate.”
Now…isnt that much better!!
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:33 pm
“OK, where do you save? We can ask questions all day long – got any answers?”
Sure. Cut the budget of the military in half, or more. Close any foreign bases that are in countries that are fully capable of defending themselves.
Byron Mathison Kerr
March 22nd, 2010
2:34 pm
Before the previous presidential election, I had a lot of respect for Sen. John McCain even though I sometimes disagreed with his policies.
But he is really starting to remind me of Zell Miller who seemed to lose it around the time he spoke at the Republican National Convention. He’s another one I used to have a lot of respect for.
Do you suppose politicians have an expiration date tattooed somewhere?
AmVet
March 22nd, 2010
2:34 pm
Like so many of the conned here, I am no professional economist. Unlike them I have no vast experience or impeccable credentials to validate my statements.
However, given the track record of said “experts” and in fact their entire ideology, who in their right (get it?) mind believes virtually anything they say on the matter of costs, expenses, etc.
Voodoo economics, indeed Mr. GHW Bush…
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:35 pm
“But even more egregious is the irrefutable fact that for year after year after year when they controlled both the executive and legislative branches they did exactly what to deal with his obvious growing monster, this out of control clusterf&ck, this corporate fleecing of American families?”
We all know it is about votes and power, same with immigration, SS, medicaid/care, etc. Nothing will get done until the next crisis hits – will the next be too late?
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm
Nice start Dog…however, I would recommend only a military budget cut of between 1% and 4%. The military base closing does hold some merit. However the biggest savings would come from locating govt duplication, merger of depts and reviewing the Dept of Education.
Teachers could easily absorb a 15% salary decrease as during their summer vacations there is ample PT work available. Teacher and administrative personel layoffs need examination also.
jefferson
March 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm
Are we worried about Golf yet? Could it get that bad?
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm
FrankLeeDarling @ 1:17
That was funny.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:38 pm
“Teachers could easily absorb a 15% salary decrease as during their summer vacations there is ample PT work available. Teacher and administrative personel layoffs need examination also”
and I would never agree with this. I don’t think teacher’s are paid enough as it is. You DO realize, don’t you, that teachers are only paid for 9 months of work…but it is divided into 12 payments so they don’t have that huge gap of time when there is no money comeing in? Don’t you?
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:38 pm
“Sure. Cut the budget of the military in half, or more. Close any foreign bases that are in countries that are fully capable of defending themselves.”
know of any parties in our gov’t that want to tackle that one? I don’t. You can put defense in with the rest of the “can’t touch” programs. The problem, is they are all “can’t touch” programs – we do that at home, we file for bankruptcy or go into foreclosure.
Hmmmm………………………
AmVet
March 22nd, 2010
2:39 pm
OG, it ain’t my problem, in fact it is quite the opposite, it was ultimately to my every lasting joy, that GWB, and apparently by proxy, you, had/have so little regard for the rule of law or the US Constitution.
This is not even debatable.
Even the ABA, which is chock full of Republican lawyers, sent not one, but three letters to King George expressing their dismay at his taking the law into his own hands and circumventing the rule of law in five different areas.
Had you educated yourself you’d already know about this…
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm
“know of any parties in our gov’t that want to tackle that one? I don’t”
Nope, I don’t either…but I wasn’t asked what THEY would do, I was asked what *I* would do.
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm
“…but it is divided into 12 payments so they don’t have that huge gap of time when there is no money comeing in?”
Oh sure…and those 3 months vacation would provide them with ample PT work in order to have some of the niceties…supplemental income, if you will.
Peadawg
March 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm
Outhouse GoKart, you want to cut teachers’ salaries even more? wow! Why not cut all the administrators, BOR, legislators, etc.’s salaries? I will say this: anyone associated w/ test cheating, coming of w/ standardized test to begin w/, and anyone associated w/ no child left behind should be fired immediately.
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm
“that GWB, and apparently by proxy, you, had/have so little regard for the rule of law or the US Constitution.”
So Republicans are now also members of the Bush Crime Syndicate…guilt by association?
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm
Outhouse GoKart,
“and those 3 months vacation would provide them with ample PT work in order to have some of the niceties”
I think you might overestimating the number of summer part time jobs just a tad.
Matilda
March 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm
Last I checked, opening ones legs was a choice – why would they need a doctor?
That level of ignorance in a man just isn’t attractive.
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm
“Why not cut all the administrators, BOR, legislators, etc.’s salaries?”
Im all for it!! The sooner we cull out the dead wood, weed out the weaklings the better off we all will be.
Do like Obama staffer did in RI…fire the whole bunch of them.
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm
“Teachers could easily absorb a 15% salary decrease as during their summer vacations there is ample PT work available. Teacher and administrative personel layoffs need examination also”
Oh my mother f*cking freaking Supreme Being of the Universe.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:45 pm
“I think you might overestimating the number of summer part time jobs just a tad”
And underestimating the amount of competition for them. Personally, I think it’s WAY past time we got out of our “farming centric” system of schooling and went to an 11 month school year.
Normal
March 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:38 pm
Doggone, you just don’t get it. Why do you thonk the GOP is lead by its collective noses by the Religious Right? Because is says right there in Genisious
Peadawg
March 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm
“Oh my mother f*cking freaking Supreme Being of the Universe.”
That’s another way of putting it…..
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm
Perhaps JC…however when The GoKart was between jobs I certainly wasnt above working at the Quiktrip…taking out trash, mopping floors, cleaning lava*yuck*tories, making the coffed etc…
If one wants to survive they will find away.
Pennsylvanian
March 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm
Doggone/GA @ 1:39 pm
“I’m not your friggin’ librarian” – Careful, you’ll offend Pennsylvanian with your use of a euphemism for “that word”
Actually, neither ‘that word’ nor it variants bother me a bit. Use of any as an adjective describing God is extremely poor taste. But then, you aren’t sharp enough to understand that, are you?
Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)
March 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm
Teachers could easily absorb a 15% salary decrease as during their summer vacations there is ample PT work available. Teacher and administrative personel layoffs need examination also.
If you really wish to look at the Dept of Education, teachers aren’t the problem. That is, unless you’re wanting to move the US permanently towards a 3rd world status.
Normal
March 22nd, 2010
2:47 pm
Frig…screwed up. To finish. says in the Bible that eating from the tree of knowledge was bad. they don’t want no education. Keep ‘em dumb and more easily fooled…
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm
LMAO…
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm
“That level of ignorance in a man just isn’t attractive.”
Care to tackle the truth in the statement, or prefer to just spout?
Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)
March 22nd, 2010
2:49 pm
“Oh my mother f*cking freaking Supreme Being of the Universe.”
Bosch, can you pass the monitor clean up kit?
Greg Mendel
March 22nd, 2010
2:49 pm
Throughout the ongoing debate (obstruction) I kept hearing Republicans and teashirts shriek about “ignoring the will of the people” and accusations of dictatorship. There was a vote on the health care bill by elected representatives. Bills either pass or are defeated in that manner, as they have always been. It’s proof we don’t have a dictatorship. For better or worse, the “will of the people” is better measured by votes in congress than telephone polls.
In my opinion, the bill falls far short of the reform needed. It proves the United States is incapable of offering the standard of health care COVERAGE the majority of the rest of the world expects and enjoys. However, I think it is a much needed improvement.
In my view, the bill was not embraced by more people for several reasons. One is the cost. Support it or not, its cost simply can’t be overlooked, and I don’t think many people (including the administration) can say with confidence that we can afford it. That was a Republican objection, and a valid one.
Unfortunately, the legislation’s cost, as well as the effect of many of its provisions, have been so contorted by Republican and right-wing nonsense (death panels, etc.), Americans are rightly confused and concerned. The bill’s opponents — who never had a sensible alternative, or would even admit reform is needed — spent more than a year intentionally confusing the issues by inventing terrifying scenarios based on taking provisions out of context. They kept screaming about how many pages were in the bill. Of course there were a lot of pages! It’s a very complex issue — made much more complex by trying to extend and improve health care coverage while preserving half the dinosaur that is the most complicated, incompetent and expensive coverage system in the world.
We could have asked the Germans how they do it. Or the Swedes or Finns or other countries that have mostly private coverage, a safety net for the poor, health care quality equal to ours, coverage of every citizen — and who still pay less per capita than Americans. But that would be the easy way out.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:50 pm
“But then, you aren’t sharp enough to understand that, are you?”
I am, actually…I just don’t agree. The way I figure it, God is a big boy and if he doesn’t like it he knows what to do about it. If he didn’t want us to exercise our freewill, why did he give it to us in the first place?
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:51 pm
Pennsylvanian,
God told me she didn’t care.
AmVet
March 22nd, 2010
2:51 pm
So Republicans are now also members of the Bush Crime Syndicate
So it would seem.
Except for those tiny few GOP lawyers who told him and his habeus corpus hating, torture loving gang to stop wiping their fat_sses with the US Constitution..
And the even more miniscule number of GOPers who advocated that he should be impeached for his criminal behavior…
But enough of that loser. We’ve got GWB II now and the neo-cons are not even grateful…
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm
Outhouse GoKart,
“If one wants to survive they will find away.”
I would dare say that educators do not want to just “survive.” Many of them deal with lower salaries than they could make in private industry, but do so for 2 reasons
1. They want to give back to their community
2. They trade off salary with time off
Do what you are proposing and watch as qualified educators leave the profession in order to “survive.” Perhaps you would like an uneducated populace….but I would not like to see that happen.
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm
“If he didn’t want us to exercise our freewill, why did he give it to us in the first place?”
Free will? No such thing. Its all pre-destination.
Dave R.
March 22nd, 2010
2:53 pm
“That is, unless you’re wanting to move the US permanently towards a 3rd world status.”
Don’t worry, SoCo. Hope & Change has got that one handled.
We’re on our way!!!!
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:53 pm
SoCo,
Here ya’ go – how do you say that in Bengali?
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:53 pm
So Republicans are now also members of the Bush Crime Syndicate
“So it would seem.”
LMAO!
jewcowboy
March 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm
“But then, you aren’t sharp enough to understand that, are you?”
Jesus h christ on a popsicle stick.
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm
“Do what you are proposing and watch as qualified educators leave the profession in order to “survive.” Perhaps you would like an uneducated populace….but I would not like to see that happen.”
Kind of like physicians bailing out of MA because of the healthcare system up there. Over 50% of those trained in MA leave. Think that might be a sign of things to come?
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm
One thing for sure…McCain needs to shut his trap.
Jackie
March 22nd, 2010
2:55 pm
There has been discussion about President Obama using Executive Orders to offer a deal to Rep. Stupak(D-MI) to pass the health care reform bill. Some have said the Executive Order is illegal and even implied that President Obama should not have issued any Executive Orders.
Here is a link to show how many President Bush issued during his tenure.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/wbush.html
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:55 pm
Outhouse,
I know you don’t mean half the stuff you write, maybe more – you’re all about shock, right?
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm
md…when the Feds complete the taking over of HCare they will be dispensing leeches and encantations..
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm
“Over 50% of those trained in MA leave. Think that might be a sign of things to come?”
For some strange reason, I think that is total bullsh*t.
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm
Oh no…McCain needs to keep his trap closed. Never much cared for him.
Doggone/GA
March 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm
“Free will? No such thing. Its all pre-destination”
I see. So there really wasn’t anything that could have been done to stop this healthcare bill after all. We were predestined to have it pass. Glad to hear it. Maybe you should inform all those protestors against it that they were fighting God’s will.
Peter
March 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm
Gee what did the GOP senate do in the last 8 years ?
What will be the big change ?
Bosch
March 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm
Here’s a picture of McCain taken just this morning:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/03/14/get-off-my-lawn-you-damn-kids/
Mick
March 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm
Outhouse
I used to deliver pizza in between jobs. Sometimes, on a good friday with some extra hustle I could make $400.
md
March 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm
“Some have said the Executive Order is illegal and even implied that President Obama should not have issued any Executive Orders.”
I believe it has more to do about current laws on the books vs being illegal. As I understand it, it carries no weight in a court of law as law takes precedent over executive order.
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm
Everyone thinks they have free will, however, since all is pre-destined we really are all just a group of walking zombies, trotting thru life and hoping we know a little bit about a little bit.
Lettuce not confuse predestination with Gods will. The two do not necessarily intersect.
AmVet
March 22nd, 2010
2:59 pm
You know after this bill, I may have to rename President Obama “GWB One a Half.”
Yes he kept The War President/BushCo’s fascistic spying and habeus corpus crimes in place.
And yes he surged into Afghanistan.
But unlike King George’s War on the Middle Class, BHO is only interested in getting Americans killed overseas, instead of there AND at home…
Outhouse GoKart
March 22nd, 2010
2:59 pm
“Sometimes, on a good friday with some extra hustle I could make $400.”
Plus all the free pizza pie one could eat, I would bet eh?