In terms of policy, politics, health reform an impressive feat

As of yesterday, the term “pre-existing condition” has been stripped of its capacity to frighten. The same is true of the word “rescission,” the insurance industry practice of canceling coverage for customers who had the audacity to become ill and need assistance. Both have been rendered all but meaningless.

In the wake of yesterday’s vote, emergency rooms should begin to evolve back toward providers of emergency care and away from serving as outrageously expensive primary care clinics for the millions of uninsured. The uninsured themselves should shrink to a fraction of current levels. And Americans who have clung to jobs with health-care benefits attached will now be more likely to strike out on their own, knowing that they will be able to get insurance at an affordable rate.

And believe it or not, all this and more will happen without an onslaught of government tyranny, without the wholesale abandonment of medicine by physicians, without the ruination of the United States of America. Really, trust me on that.

Politically speaking, the accomplishment of President Obama, House Speaker Pelosi and their fellow Democrats is impressive. A major endeavor considered all but dead in the wake of the election of Sen. Scott Brown in Massachusetts has been resurrected and made reality by leaders who remained stubbornly committed to a goal and saw it through. While the consequences of failure would have been enormous in terms of lost confidence and momentum, the consequences of this once-unlikely victory will be equally large as Democrats turn to other challenges.

Of course, as David Sanger of the New York Times and many others are noting, it has come at a price. Sanger writes:

“But there is no doubt that in the course of this debate, Mr. Obama has lost something — and lost it for good. Gone is the promise on which he rode to victory less than a year and a half ago — the promise of a “postpartisan” Washington in which rationality and calm discourse replaced partisan bickering.

Never in modern memory has a major piece of legislation passed without a single Republican vote. Even President Lyndon B. Johnson got just shy of half of Republicans in the House to vote for Medicare in 1965, a piece of legislation that was denounced with many of the same words used to oppose this one. That may be the true measure of how much has changed in Washington in the ensuing 45 years, and how Mr. Obama’s own strategy is changing with the discovery that the approach to governing he had in mind simply will not work.

“Let’s face it, he’s failed in the effort to be the nonpolarizing president, the one who can use rationality and calm debate to bridge our traditional divides,” said Peter Beinart, a liberal essayist who is publishing a history of hubris in politics. “It turns out he’s our third highly polarizing president in a row. But for his liberal base, it confirms that they were right to believe in the guy — and they had their doubts.”

I think that’s wrong, at least in this sense: You cannot lose what you never had, and Obama never had the slightest chance of achieving a “‘postpartisan’ Washington in which rationality and calm discourse replaced partisan bickering.” The evidence was there on the final tote board yesterday. The fact that this mainstream health-care reform bill — it doesn’t institute a single-payer system, nor does it contain a public option — could pass both the House and Senate without a single GOP vote says much more about the political climate and the strategy of the opposition than it does about the bill itself or Obama.

At the moment, the impact of this vote on an election held in faroff November is being overplayed. A lot more is going to happen between now and then as the nation’s attention turns to issues such as financial reform, immigration, the economy and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The health-care vote won’t be ancient history by any means come the fall, but it also won’t be the single dominating issue of the 2010 campaign. We live in more complicated times than that.

In addition, to the degree that the Republicans and their allies present themselves as angry and radical, as defined by the Tea Party crowd, they will find themselves rejected by the American mainstream. The passions they have inflamed are already proving difficult to control, and the excesses of any movement, right or left, can quickly come to define it.

Many Americans have a lot of reasonable doubt and even fear about the impact of this legislation. That’s as it ought to be — the bill promises a major change in how we handle important issues. Even in their doubt, however, most Americans do not see it in the dire, Armageddon-type terms in which the Republican leadership has tried to frame it.

This reform effort is far from a finished product, just as this nation is far from a finished product. Parts of it will no doubt be problematic in ways we will not understand until it is actually implemented, and adjustments will have to be made. But it is an impressive accomplishment in terms of both policy and politics, and the country and its people will be better for it.

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stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2010
9:05 am

Does this David Sanger guy not get that the Republican party has changed a bit since 1965?

NRB2

March 22nd, 2010
9:06 am

No Jay, the USA won’t be ruined overnight. It will be a slow death, over about a ten or twenty year period.

The same slow bleeding put upon us by the cancers of Social Security, Medicare, etc. are now compounded by the new wound inflicted upon us last night by the criminal class.

Say hello to even higher taxes, rationed health care, and a new generation of government dependents.

Of course, everyone who voted “yes” for this debacle will be HARSHLY dealt with. We all know the penalty for treason.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo!

March 22nd, 2010
9:08 am

Screeeeeeccchhhhhhh, BOOOOMMMMMM.

Hello, this is All State insurance, how may I help you?

Uh, I just totalled my car out and killed 50 people, I was texting on the Daily Kos blog and didn’t pay no attention, duh. And guess what, I don’t have a policy, but you get to pay for this whole disaster, hahahaha, duh, morons.

Just sayin…

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:08 am

Thank God another entitlement program wasn’t in this bill. One gripe I have is this: why the hell can a 25 year old grown man still be on mommy and daddy’s insurance? Grow up, move out, get a job man. Maybe we need to hire Sarah Jessica Parker to get him out of these house and she did in Failure to Launch.

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:10 am

It should be “like she did in”, not “and she did in”. It’s Monday….

getalife

March 22nd, 2010
9:12 am

So, who was the gop coward that yelled at Stupak?

Man up coward and own it.

A true southerner

March 22nd, 2010
9:12 am

Peadawg..the reason why a 25 y/o needs to still be on mommy’s insurance is because he’s probably unemployed and can’t find a job. Trust me, it just gives options for those unemployed or in college, but will not allow for those who are employed to stay on parents insurance.

NowReally

March 22nd, 2010
9:13 am

Peadawg – Think of it this way. On an application, the employer can ask; Do you have health insurance? Then the 25 year old applicant can say, yes. The employer response “YOU’RE HIRED”.

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2010
9:13 am

the USA won’t be ruined overnight. It will be a slow death, over about a ten or twenty year period.

(c) 1960, 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000 and 2010. All rights reserved.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2010
9:14 am

Impressive? For whom? Let’s wait and see how this plays out. Under regular order nothing would have been able to pass, as I predicted many times.

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:15 am

As of yesterday, the term “pre-existing condition” has been stripped of its capacity to frighten. The same is true of the word “rescission,” the insurance industry practice of canceling coverage for customers who had the audacity to become ill and need assistance. Both have been rendered all but meaningless.

And why conservatives / Republicans are so vehemently opposed to this is beyond me.

USinUK

March 22nd, 2010
9:15 am

sorry I’m late … has anyone started the list of folks who are willing to help Rush pack for his move to Costa Rica??? please add my name …

NowReally

March 22nd, 2010
9:15 am

All jokes aside. Yesterday was a cause for celebration. It’s been long over due and I know there are still challenges to be faced. Keep paying it forward, Mr. President.

Outhouse GoKart

March 22nd, 2010
9:16 am

Well thats a comforting rationalization.

Gale

March 22nd, 2010
9:16 am

The one thing that worries me most is legislators and the president all signing off on a bill while telling us that now we and they will know what is in the bill. THAT is why government is so screwed up. The only thing they are all worried about is their own pet projects that were tacked on to get their vote.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2010
9:16 am

NRB2

March 22nd, 2010
9:06 am

Even higher taxes? Aren’t they at an all time low now? Heaven forbid we pay for the government we have.

RB from Gwinnett

March 22nd, 2010
9:16 am

Question for you Jay.

As soon as this bill is signed, insurance companies can no longer refuse you for pre-existing conditions. Who is going to PAY for the increase in their expenses? Do you think they’re going to just accept lower profits, increase premiums for the rest of us, or what?

Doggone/GA

March 22nd, 2010
9:16 am

USinUK…here’s a reply I did on the previous subject, RIGHT at the end:

“So, when’s Rush leaving?”

Here’s the quote: “I’ll just tell you this, if this passes and it’s five years from now and all that stuff gets implemented — I am leaving the country. I’ll go to Costa Rica,”

The way I read it, he’s given himself 5 years…AND he doesn’t say he’s leaving for good, only that he’ll “leave” – so I figure, that he’ll figure, that a weekend vacation in Costa Rica qualifies as “leaving the country”

Stew Day

March 22nd, 2010
9:16 am

Jay, Nov 2010 can not come quick enough for 56 million citizens who feel the constitution never granted the Federal government the overwhelming right to dictate citizens of the US have to buy healthcare– The next american revolution has begun and Washington doesn’t even know it yet.

USinUK

March 22nd, 2010
9:17 am

“No Jay, the USA won’t be ruined overnight. It will be a slow death, over about a ten or twenty year period”

yep. it started with giving wimmen folks the right to vote … that led to child labor laws … and it’s been downhill ever since …

Balance Our Budget

March 22nd, 2010
9:17 am

$940,000,000,000 HERE’S THE BILL AMERICA!!!! COMPLIMENTS OF THE DEMOCRATS!!!

NowReally

March 22nd, 2010
9:18 am

I’m willing to do more than pack his bag. I’ll actually pay for the two seats on the airline of his choice, for “Big Boy” Rush. One way tickets, of course.

USinUK

March 22nd, 2010
9:19 am

Jay has forgotten to add the biggest benefit of the healthcare bill: LOADS of space saved on his blog since the usual sufferers of ODS will no longer be able to post “so what has he accomplished”

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:19 am

“And why conservatives / Republicans are so vehemently opposed to this is beyond me.”

1. B/c requiring everyone to have insurance isn’t going to make premiums go down. What’s to stop the insurance companies from raising premiums for an even bigger profit?
2. B/c we’re adding to the entitlement/no responsibility attitude now that 25 yr olds and still mooch off their parents.

MiltonMan

March 22nd, 2010
9:19 am

Excellent. Another sector of our economy that the government nows control. They do such an excellent job with Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid (60 Billion in fraud a year), etc.

Welcome to the USSA – United Socialist States of America.

AmVet

March 22nd, 2010
9:20 am

Andy & Thomas, from downstairs.

I read your responses to my observation about the Republicans voting TO A MAN as apparatchiks..

Yes, the Democrats are equally bribable. Yes, their leadership demands them to toe the party line.

Extortion and coercion of reps/sens by the Party “leaders” is the modus operand in congressi. And in case you missed it, that technique did not begin on January 20, 2009.

But inevitably more than a handful of Democrats DO NOT toe the party line.

This simply is not true in the GOP.

NOWHERE but the Republican party and the Mafia can one get such complete obeisance…

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:20 am

Insurance companies are going to have to raise premiums to pay for people w/ pre-existing conditions. It’s a fantastic idea in theory…….

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:21 am

“They do such an excellent job with Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid (60 Billion in fraud a year)”

Thanks for the morning laugh!!!!!

Road Scholar

March 22nd, 2010
9:21 am

USinUK: Delta is ready when Rush is……but you have to pay for each bag! With his contract, why would he care?!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 22nd, 2010
9:21 am

O me! It’s the end of America as we use to have it. It’s bad enough we couldn’t get rid of Social Security and Medicare. And now the librul Democrats up and give us guvmint health care. It’s the end, I tell you. We’ll never be able to survive this.

You can’t have a Upper Class without a Lower Class. Just like you can’t tell what is white without knowing what black is. Now the librul Democrats up and made everybody Upper Class. The health care I lucked into when I got this truck driving job will be available to the bums that don’t have jobs with health care. Those Tea Party people were right. In your heart you know they’re right.

Anyway, a little Preparation H will take care of some of the pain from last night. I was dead sure Boner’s speech would bring some more Democrats over to our side. Heck, for all the good it done we might as well of swallowed the Preparation H. They treated him like a old loon preaching about the end of the world in a mall.

I’m getting off of this blog before Dave R. and Swampy Dave get on here. You can’t hardly blame them for yelling “Theif!” and getting their panties in a wad. Have a good day everybody.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2010
9:21 am

Obama should have scheduled his address to the nation for High Noon after it got so late last night.

Me Again

March 22nd, 2010
9:21 am

I can tell you this, as soon as you start budgeting for health care, that is the exact moment you begin rationing health care. Maybe now we will finally learn that elections have consequences.

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:22 am

yep. it started with giving wimmen folks the right to vote … that led to child labor laws … and it’s been downhill ever since …

NOW we’re getting back to the heart of the problem. Why, if it were not for women, none of this would even be possible and that’s a fact. A fact that I’m actually very supportive of given that I would not be here otherwise. :smile:

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:23 am

“and the country and its people will be better for it.”

Yes indeed.

TnGelding

March 22nd, 2010
9:23 am

MiltonMan

March 22nd, 2010
9:19 am

And who is committing the fraud?

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:24 am

“yep. it started with giving wimmen folks the right to vote”

Not all women, just Pelosi, Michelle, et all.

Road Scholar

March 22nd, 2010
9:24 am

USinUK: Oh, make sure Costa Rica’s drug supplies have been doubled! How do you say “oxycontin” in spanish?

AmVet

March 22nd, 2010
9:24 am

All this talk of all out rebellion and revolution!

You know I don’t think that these boys have the ahem, stomach, to do more than talk.

Remember most of these “aggrieved” are the same chickenhawks and sons of draft dodgers who got their pom poms our for the BushCo Crusades.

Nope, they’ll just stomp, spit and curse like they always do…

RB from Gwinnett

March 22nd, 2010
9:24 am

Can just 1 of you socialists explain how you think voting to give $30K to each uninsured person this bill is supposed to cover is a great idea? Do the math fools. The pricetag over the 32MM people is $30K per person. If you think that’s a great plan, start by forking over your share of the money.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:25 am

“Say hello to even higher taxes, rationed health care, and a new generation of government dependents.”

And dogs and cats will start living together.

Balance Our Budget

March 22nd, 2010
9:25 am

We have 3 options.
1 Buy expensive health insurance.
2 Pay a fine
3 Go to jail
This is hope and change America.

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2010
9:26 am

I’ll drive Rush to the airport, and I’ll rent an Econoline if he wants to bring his ego along for the trip.

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:26 am

“And dogs and cats will start living together.”

Actually my brother-in-law has 2 dogs and 1 cat…they get along just fine. Nice try though.

“Yeah, and Grizzly Adams has a beard.” “Grizzly Adams did have a beard” -> Shooter in Happy Gilrmore

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:27 am

Don’t the Bush tax cuts expire this year. That would bring higher taxes, just like Bush intended all along, without Obama doing a thing. In fact, Obama must act in order to prevent the implementation of the Republican tax hike that will otherwise occur.

RB from Gwinnett

March 22nd, 2010
9:27 am

“And dogs and cats will start living together.”

Feel free to check back in if you come up with anything usefull to add to the discussion. Until then….

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:29 am

“Feel free to check back in if you come up with anything usefull to add to the discussion. Until then….”

preceeded by:

“Can just 1 of you socialists”

Yeah, RB, we take you real serious……. :roll:

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:29 am

Where do these conservatives / Republicans come up with the yarns that they post? Wow! Such factually challenged people!

Balance Our Budget

March 22nd, 2010
9:31 am

RB from Gwinnett
Good point at 9:24 But you have to realize the liberals calculators don’t work like the rest of ours.

NRB2

March 22nd, 2010
9:31 am

What we need to do is publish a list of every criminal who voted “yes” to the bill, including home addresses.

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2010
9:31 am

Can just 1 of you socialists explain how you think voting to give $30K to each uninsured person this bill is supposed to cover is a great idea? Do the math fools. The pricetag over the 32MM people is $30K

Even taking your willful narrowing of the bill’s scope at face value, you seem to forget that it’s over ten years, so it’d actually be around ~3K per person. Which is a lot less of a premium cost than a lot of Americans pay, actually.

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:31 am

Actually Bosch, here’s the entire quote you reminded me of:

Virginia: [stopping Happy from fighting Shooter] Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey! You want to beat him? Beat him on the course.
Happy Gilmore: That’s right, I’m gonna beat your *** on the course!
Shooter McGavin: Yeah, right. And Grizzly Adams had a beard.
Lee Trevino: Grizzly Adams *did* have a beard.

Nothing like making an ars of yourself first thing Monday morning?

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:31 am

I’m with getalife – who is the coward that yelled “baby killer?” He should be touting his stupidity on all the talk shows this morning.

stands for decibels

March 22nd, 2010
9:32 am

But you have to realize the liberals [sic] calculators don’t work like the rest of ours.

BoB, does your calculator not have the ability to divide by 10?

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:33 am

“What we need to do is publish a list of every criminal who voted “yes” to the bill, including home addresses.”

Yahoo.com has a list of names. Not address though…..

NowReally

March 22nd, 2010
9:33 am

The sky is falling, the sky is falling….

Doggone/GA

March 22nd, 2010
9:33 am

“Yes, their leadership demands them to toe the party line.”

the difference is: when the Democratic leadership “demands” it…they can’t count on getting it. 34 Dems voted AGAINST this bill…NO Reps voted for it.

AmVet

March 22nd, 2010
9:33 am

Really the neo-cons have nobody to blame but themselves.

Had they not put in office the most inept, corrupt and serially impeachable president in history (TWICE!!!) they might still just hold the Congress and White House.

But they shot themselves in the foot and then blamed the gun.

Guns don’t kill Republicans. Republicans kill Republicans…

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:35 am

“Had they not put in office the most inept, corrupt and serially impeachable president in history”

We won’t make that mistake in 2012..promise!!

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 22nd, 2010
9:35 am

Jay, Nov 2010 can not come quick enough for 56 million citizens who feel the constitution never granted the Federal government the overwhelming right to dictate citizens of the US have to buy healthcare– The next american revolution has begun and Washington doesn’t even know it yet.

The Constitution of the United States doesn’t say anything about spending $600 billion plus a year on defense spending either. When are those 56 million going to get angry about that? The US Constitiution doesn’t say anything about providing for safe food to eat, interstate highways, air traffic controllers either. Is that also on the agenda of the 56 million???

The Constitution doesn’t say a lot of things, but it does provide the framework for the governance of this country. We’ve been around since th late 1700’s, and I don’t think we’re going to fold as a nation in the next few years either. The American way is to adapt and overcome. The health care industry will adapt to the new legislation and overcome any obstacles in their way. We’ll have the status quo back in 10-15 years. Don’t worry, your corporate rulers will be back in charge soon enough.

Balance Our Budget

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

BoB, does your calculator not have the ability to divide by 10?
Actually 6 years of benefits 10 years of taxes.

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

“34 Dems voted AGAINST this bill”

Smart, morally sound, responsible, non-entitlement attitude Democrats DO exist!!

Jason

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

It’s sad to me that you clearly have no understanding of what freedom and liberty mean. It’s useless to even try and communicate with people like you. You absolutely believe that government is there to satisfy your every need, want and craving. You truly believe that. You represent the class of people that have destroyed what this country once stood for. When my young child begins to learn enough to ask questions about our country I will now have to tell her that our government is called socialism. That saddens me, but I am proud that I understand something that you, and your type, will never grasp.

Vinny

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

I’m looking forward to free health care because now I won’t have to worry about all of the meds that I need because I eat at McDonalds for Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. Now that I won’t have to pay my own way, I can now afford 2 big macs and a super-size french fries every night for dinner! YUM!

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

Didn’t someone mention something about striking down bad legislation. Ga. Supreme Court declares caps on damage awards to be unconstitutional. That sounds like a good idea to me. Perhaps these Georgia Republicans should focus on tart reform instead. Something they seem to be well versed on.

NRB2

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

The correct division isn’t 10 because this “reform” does not kick in until 4 years from now. So over a ten year period, there is only a “benefit” of six years.

WyldByllHyltnyr

March 22nd, 2010
9:36 am

Let’s not forget that polls showed that citizens of other nations accross the globe have less respect for America than when President Bush, G-d bless that great American, was in office.

As to healthcare, one should take pride in:

a) the Lousiana Purchase
b) the Conrhusker Corn-holin’
c) the medicare program in Florida that Georgians pay for
d) skirting of the Hyde Amendment.

Laugh and celebrate today folks, but do not ask for whomk the bell tools, for it tolls for thee. Three years from now ol’ Wyld Byll will have enough change to pay for whatever healthcare my family and I need. You, on the other hand, will wait in a dingy, run down government clinic for four hours to see a LPN who will tell you that your appointment with the Dr is in nine months – and good luck in finding an American born and trained doctor at your government clinic.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

“It’s sad to me that you clearly have no understanding of what freedom and liberty mean. It’s useless to even try and communicate with people like you. You absolutely believe that government is there to satisfy your every need, want and craving. You truly believe that. You represent the class of people that have destroyed what this country once stood for. When my young child begins to learn enough to ask questions about our country I will now have to tell her that our government is called socialism. That saddens me, but I am proud that I understand something that you, and your type, will never grasp.”

Oh my freaking God.

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

“34 Dems voted AGAINST this bill”

And it passed without a single Republican vote. That’s what I call a clear majority.

Bud Wiser

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

As of this morning, the govts of at least 10 states are banding together to file/or have filed a lawsuit against this bill as unconstitutional.

According to a professor of constitutional law from Stanford (a bastion of conservatism, no doubt…..NOT), this fiasco will not pass muster because of violations of 1st and 7th amendments laws.

The only really successful aspect to this monstrosity is that there are 219 names on the record that voted for it, 219 targets of opportunity come November 10.

Never has so much (taxation) been done by so few for so many.

What part of this pleases the idiot left the most, the fact that other than children’s care and preexisting conditions, NONE of the rest of this really takes effect for 4 years, but that the taxing begins the moment the ignorant sap in the WHY pens (or has someone tell him how to) his name on it?

November 10.

The beginning of the end of the democratic party as we currently know it.

Vinny

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

Taxpayer – Yes, by all means! We need to reform the TARTS! I personally like apple and blueberry tarts, however cinammon are my favorite.

Free tarts for everyone! reform the TARTS!

Balance Our Budget

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

Where are all the liberals who thought if we didn’t have a public option in the bill we were just wasting our time?

Tammy

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

Obabmacare is hardly impressive. It’s the first major entitlement program that squeaked through on a party line vote. It’ took twisting the rules of the house and senate to accomplish. Billions of bibes were paid. All so the dems can say “We got a bill”.

Yep and now the time to pay is coming.

The Obamacrats will pay in November

But the rest of us will be paying a long, long time.

USinUK

March 22nd, 2010
9:38 am

“How do you say “oxycontin” in spanish?”

I thought all you had to do was talk really loudly and really slowly for all ferriners to understand what you’re saying …

Doggone/GA

March 22nd, 2010
9:39 am

“I will now have to tell her that our government is called socialism.”

Not very well learned in the definition of “socialism” are you?

RB from Gwinnett

March 22nd, 2010
9:39 am

Does saying it’s only $3K per year make you feel better about giving them $30K? How about $3K per year for the rest of their life? Do you want to talk about that number or would you prefer to act like this bill only lasts 10 years? How much of your money are you willing to give? Be specific. How many real dollars are you willing to give out of your pocket to help all these poor people?

Or like all the other socialists on here do you just want evil rich people to pay for it?

AmVet

March 22nd, 2010
9:39 am

Peadawg.

I hope you’re right, but then I also hope Santa Claus is real.

Given every indication over the past 10 years, I fear the GOP is semi-permanently stuck on neo-con stupid.

Palin/Huckabee 2012.

pat

March 22nd, 2010
9:39 am

At least you’ll have to murder your children on your own dime…For now.

BW

March 22nd, 2010
9:39 am

LOL….all you people just need to deal with it. You’re not taking majorities back in the House or the Senate. You will overplay your hand in immigration reform and all but insure that the socially conservative Hispanics that should vote for you don’t. Don’t worry too much…I know that karma is a **tch…but you’ll be ok. The districts are so gerrymandered that you may trim some numbers off the majority but you won’t retake it…not with an actual accomplishment under the President’s belt. I can’t wait for the impending Supreme Court replacements and to watch you guys overplay your hand again…keep getting them the ammo they need to remind everyone how God awful those last 8 years….God forbid if the economy recovers

Doggone/GA

March 22nd, 2010
9:40 am

“Free tarts for everyone! reform the TARTS!”

Why would anyone WANT a “reformed TART” – free or not?

Vinny

March 22nd, 2010
9:40 am

The only thing that was bipartisan about this bill was the opposition.
Obama lied again. He said that he would not want the bill to pass on a 51 vote majority – but that is what he is about to let happen.

YOU LIE!!

Paul

March 22nd, 2010
9:40 am

Nicely reasoned, Jay. Keeps things in perspective.

[[“Let’s face it, he’s failed in the effort to be the nonpolarizing president, the one who can use rationality and calm debate to bridge our traditional divides,]]

Didn’t have to be that way. Pres Obama did not, I think, demonstrate effective leadership from the start. Too much deference to the Legislative, and when given a free hand, Democrats just can’t resist decking the tree and the house and the front yard and the neighbor’s house and the….. Maybe that’s an unconscious action from being part of the rhetoric of Bush trying to take over Congress? Or maybe he just viewed it as ‘details in the weeds’ that didn’t interest him? Either way, I hope he’s learned from this.

And it was what, about a year in which he wouldn’t meet with Republicans? Yes, the Reps did become obstructionists (and we do remember Spkr Pelosi’s “we won, we write it, tough luck” comments), not voting for it, while at the same time seeing hundreds of their suggestions incorporated.

I’ve always thought having the cost and availability of health care largely driven by who you work for to be a bit nutty. And I’ve known people, who, as you said, stay with a job because it’s the only way they can get affordable insurance. Pres Obama said flat-out the employer model is how it is and is going to be reality.

But finally, reality has shifted a bit.

RB from Gwinnett

March 22nd, 2010
9:40 am

Bosch, why does being called a socialist bother you? You are one you know. Everything you believe in that you post here daily supports that. If you don’t like being called a socialist, then stop being one.

Soothsayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:42 am

If the end result of all of this is that I no longer have to pay the medical bills of the uninsured, I am all for it. I hope to see my health insurance bill go down.

Healthcare

March 22nd, 2010
9:42 am

“You cannot lose what you never had…..The evidence was there on the final tote board yesterday.”

Circular logic 101. (and how to make the most exciting day in Obama’s first term read like an Ambien overdose.)

Oh brother. You would have been better off playing a video of songs with the word “Doctor” in the lyrics. Doctor Roberts.

“went to the doctor guess what he told me
Guess what he told me?
He said, girl, you better have fun
No matter what you do
But he’s a fool …
‘Cause nothing compares …
Nothing compares to you …”

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:43 am

“I hope to see my health insurance bill go down.”

Good luck with that!

Normal

March 22nd, 2010
9:43 am

I said it downstairs and I say it again…sing along now.
…and a one, and a two, and a three…

So long sad times
Go long bad times
We are rid of you at last

Howdy gay times
Cloudy gray times
You are now a thing of the past

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let’s sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Altogether shout it now
There’s no one
Who can doubt it now
So let’s tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again

Your cares and troubles are gone
There’ll be no more from now on
From now on …

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So, Let’s sing a song of cheer again

Happy times
Happy nights
Happy days
Are here again!

Balance Our Budget

March 22nd, 2010
9:43 am

so·cial·ism audio (ssh-lzm) KEY

NOUN:

1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 22nd, 2010
9:44 am

Bosch

I tried to translate “Oh my freking God” to Russian and came up with this:

О мой freaking Бог.

Translated, it says, “about mine freaking the God”.

In Spanish, “Ah mi abigarrando a Dios.” Or, ” Oh my variegating to God”

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:44 am

“Bosch, why does being called a socialist bother you?”

Not to change the subject, but why do “pro-choice” people not like being called “pro-abortion”?

ATLshirt.com

March 22nd, 2010
9:44 am

Those of you who are against this healthcare bill, there is no need to sit here and argue with these liberals, you can do something… Today… I am going to close my bank of america bank account in protest!! I encourage all of you who are in protest, to do so as well… this bill gives the government the RIGHT to withdraw from your bank accounts, if you do not have an account..they can not control it !!!!

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:45 am

“s owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.”

I’d say 1/6 of the economy is pretty close!!!!!

Vinny

March 22nd, 2010
9:45 am

Jay – Obama didn’t even try to be non-polarizing or strive for non-partisanship. He’s a narcissitic liar – he can’t help it.

On day one, he drew a line in the sand when he said “We Won”. And you expect Republicans to work with someone like that? Someone who won’t even keep his word?

Doggone/GA

March 22nd, 2010
9:45 am

“Not to change the subject, but why do “pro-choice” people not like being called “pro-abortion”?”

Because it’s a lie. Why do “prolifers” object to being called anti-abortion…which happens to be true?

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:46 am

SoCo,

How do you do that?

John Barnes

March 22nd, 2010
9:46 am

haters can choke on their starbux muffin. the bill is passed. you can go burn the sea

Doggone/GA

March 22nd, 2010
9:46 am

“I’d say 1/6 of the economy is pretty close!!!!!”

I’d say 5/6 of the economy is WAY far.

Peadawg

March 22nd, 2010
9:47 am

“Why do “prolifers” object to being called anti-abortion…”

Actually I prefer to be called anti-abortion since that’s what I am. I don’t see anything wrong with that. I don’t sugar-coat things. Sorry for not being ‘pc’.

TaxPayer

March 22nd, 2010
9:47 am

Vinny,

In my younger days, I would never even consider turning down a free tart. Nowadays, I must turn up my nose to the most delectable of treats no matter how tempting. If only our Congressional Republicans could do the same. Then they could teach good wholesome family values by example. Just think. No more obesity… .

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 22nd, 2010
9:47 am

“The beginning of the end of the democratic party as we currently know it.”

To quote Bosch: “Oh my freaking God”

Wasn’t that recently said about the Republican party? Until a third viable party surfaces, we’re stuck with the current crop of crooks and dumbasses.

Bosch

March 22nd, 2010
9:47 am

“I am going to close my bank of america bank account in protest!! ”

Oh, yeah, that will help. People really are crazy…….