Congress in session; historic vote should come by evening

The House has come into session, setting the stage later today for a historic finish to an equally historic legislative battle. Congressional Democrats appear confident that they have — or will have — the votes to win the day.

In the next few hours, and in the aftermath of passage, we’ll hear a lot of rhetoric and exaggeration about the bill’s benefits and risks. While it will not solve all of our health care problems, it also won’t “ruin our country,” as House Minority Leader John Boehner puts it. Nor does it represent “the chains of slavery and tyranny,” as U.S. Rep. Ted Poe of Texas alleged on the House floor a few minutes ago.

It’s a health care bill, for goodness sake.

It’s important that we try to keep things in perspective. President Obama and the Democratic majority were elected on the promise of enacting health-care reform, and they are carrying out their promise using the tools that the system has long provided them. There is nothing tyrannical about elected politicians doing what their constituents elected them to do. And if American citizens later decide to reject this approach, the system will offer them the means to do so.

We do know this much: The current system is increasingly unsustainable. This year alone, businesses are facing rate increases of 25 percent or more for employer-provided health care, and that represents a drag on our economy and our productivity every bit as real as a tax increase of that size.

It is time to act.

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Matt Rosburg

March 21st, 2010
2:24 pm

I would agree that this is the time to act… for the people… The government needs to stay out of the way and do only those things that it is called upon in the Constitution to do. Dealing with health care in ANY way is not listed in those duties.

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
2:25 pm

JAY

Make that histronic vote…

Heather

March 21st, 2010
2:31 pm

Bless your heart for saying that we need to keep things in perspective!!

Watching this debate right now, I’m reminded of a kindergarten classroom…. “shhhh….. no talking!”

As someone who’s company only has 5 employees, I haven’t had health insurance since my husband walked out four years ago. I’ve also got an undiagnosed heart issue that began about 6 months ago. These people who are against this should be in my shoes… 34 years old, been at my job for 12 years (but b/c of the economy, I haven’t had a raise since 2001), dealing with a pulse that will be in the 80s when sitting, but skyrockets to the 180s upon standing…. my heart feels like a fish flopping around in my chest. These people should have to look in the face of their 11 year old son and lie, saying that Mommy is going to be just fine.

I’m anxiously hoping it passes.

Dusty

March 21st, 2010
2:35 pm

OR make that one a HISTRIONIC vote, a loud, forced, bribed, illegal, objectionable, politicized, socialistic, doomed to fail one.

Jay

March 21st, 2010
2:35 pm

So Matt, by your reading we shouldn’t have Medicaid, Medicare, the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. Surgeon General, the Department of Health and Human Services, etc….

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
2:38 pm

“Nor does it represent “the chains of slavery and tyranny,” as U.S. Rep. Ted Poe of Texas alleged on the House floor a few minutes ago.”

It is one thing for us lamebrains on a log to speak in these terms, but AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE???

I’m sure Paul is embarrassed for this buffoon from Texas…

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 21st, 2010
2:42 pm

I predict that, whether this bill passes or not, the next three years will see increases in medical care costs, health insurance premiums, and insurance profits. This bill will have little effect on any of it. Right or wrong that’s how I see it.

arnold

March 21st, 2010
2:44 pm

Just remember there are those less fortunate than you. It doesn’t matter why they are less fortunate. I, for one, am in favor of helping those less fortunate. If it requires a better medical plan for this country, I am in favor. The rest of you compassionate conservatives can go suck eggs and bark at the moon.

Jay

March 21st, 2010
2:44 pm

U.S. Rep. Devin Nunes is on C-Span now, a repeat of his appearance this morning in which he tried to justify yesterday’s excesses by the Tea Party folks.

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
2:47 pm

Heather, I am so sorry to hear about your situation.

And though no comfort whatsoever, it must be VERY commonplace in this shameful nation by now.

Personally, I developed near fatal blood clots four years ago and came within an eyelash of going to that great gig in the sky.

But after paying (stupidly?) for private insurance for many years and having no insurance at all for many others, I was finally convinced by a fellow veteran to get into the VA system.

Not only did they save my life and do grade A+ work in the process, they certainly saved me from being financially ruined…

But to the faithful shuckers and grinners, it is always the same. Problem? What problem?

They vilify the weak and glorify the wicked…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAydj4OJnwQ

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
3:05 pm

People on both sides need to tamp down on the rhetoric. This will not be the greatest thing to happen to this country nor will it be the worst. It is simply democracy at work. I think in our zeal to say how we feel about stuff, we forget this is the “United” States of America. We’ve splintered off into different factions to the point that everyone is yelling but no one is listening.

I don’t like this bill. I don’t think it does what we need. However, as Hillbilly D said, costs are going up regardless. If we do nothing, costs will go up as it’s business as usual. If this bill passes, costs will go up as companies try to maximize everything they can do before regulations kick in.

I think it’s a DAMN shame that we live in a country as prosperous as this, but there are people who are naturally born citizens here that can’t get basic health care. We should be embarrased at that fact, but instead we’re pissed because the bill isn’t what WE want. Well, it’s not always about US. Sometimes we have to look after our neighbors as well.

Heather, that’s a bad situation to find yourself in. I’ll definitely add you to my prayer list. Matt, I’ll add you to my prayer list as well. I’m sure you’ve had help along the way somewhere as you were not born as a full-grown, self-sufficient man.

That’s my rant for the day. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming…

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
3:07 pm

BTW I am fundamentally opposed to this “health care reform” scam. Call me crazy but I advocate against cutting deals with “the insatiable, profiteering, highly subsidized health, drug, hospital, and insurance industries.”

Oh and the “representatives” (what a joke) who bleat endlessly against ANY reform? Ask them about THEIR gold-plated health insurance and how YOU can get in on that gravy train.

Does this scam, aka reform, authorize Uncle Sam to negotiate drug prices with the drug industry? No? REALLY? That’s OK, you the taxpayer can and will pay the bill.

So no thanks reformers, I LOVE my hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate administrative costs (often hidden) and billing fraud (always hidden) and secretive big health insurers who make more money the more they deny claims and ignore their loss prevention duties.

In 1950, when President Truman sent a universal health insurance bill to Congress, the American Medical Association (AMA) launched what was then a massive counterattack and (in Goebbels like fashion) claimed “that government health insurance would lead to rationing of health care, higher prices, diminished choices and more bureaucracy.”

The AMA beat both Truman and the unions that were backing the legislation, using the phrase “socialized medicine” to scare the people.

Fifty-nine years later, “corporatized medicine” has produced all these consequences, along with stripping away the medical profession’s independence. Today, the irony is that the corporate supremacists are accusing reformers in Washington of what they themselves have produced throughout the country. Rationing, higher prices, less choice, and mounds of paperwork and corporate red tape.

Plus, fifty million people without any health insurance at all.

http://tinyurl.com/yedtv5e

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 21st, 2010
3:10 pm

Well, this Obama needs to be impeached. Nobody, I mean nobody, keeps a campaign promise. Sure, you can say you’re gonna do this and that, but people don’t expect you to do it. And now this Obama up and is about to get a health care bill passed, like he promised. What kind of crook is that? If people had of knowed he was going to carry through on the promise, they wouldn’t of voted for him. He might could be the first politican in history to get impeached for keeping a promise.

That’s my opinion, and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.

danjonglee

March 21st, 2010
3:11 pm

Nothing will change….The politcal class and super wealthy will have great healthcare and the rest…well you know the story…

jewcowboy

March 21st, 2010
3:13 pm

Looking at those “tea party” protestors yesterday, I have a feeling they have NO idea what they are protesting.

- “V” The Lizards don’t really want to help us
- No to Socialism’s healthcare. We need freedom, not fascism.
- If Brown can’t stop it, a Browning can
- Kill the bill, save the babies

They look like the same bunch of loons that protest whenever the World Bank holds a meeting.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
3:14 pm

U.S. Rep. Devin Nunes is on C-Span now, a repeat of his appearance this morning in which he tried to justify yesterday’s excesses by the Tea Party folks.

Where is the proof they actually happened, Bookman, are you are you a legitimate news source or a purveyor of second hand rumors, ala National Enquirer?

And this ain’t no “historic vote” by any stretch of the imagination, it is a hand washing the likes of haven’t been seen since around the year of our Lord 1 BC, just sayin….

Dave R.

March 21st, 2010
3:23 pm

“So Matt, by your reading we shouldn’t have Medicaid, Medicare, the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. Surgeon General, the Department of Health and Human Services, etc…”

Bookman FINALLY gets it!

Dave R.

March 21st, 2010
3:26 pm

Bookman: “There is nothing tyrannical about elected politicians doing what their constituents elected them to do.”

Yet, for some reason, the same people who elected them have said time and time again that they don’t want THIS bill. By about 60%-40%.

THAT is the tyrannical part of this issue.

I guess polls are only valid if they favor your position, right?

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
3:32 pm

Doctors have historically been the watchdogs of the U.S. medical system, with the American Medical Association scaring New Dealers into dropping national health coverage from the Social Security Act and then the AMA shredding Harry Truman’s reform efforts in the late 1940s. But a new poll and other significant indicators suggest that doctors are turning against the health-insurance firms that increasingly dominate American health care.

The latest sign is a poll published recently in the Annals of Internal Medicine showing that 59 percent of U.S. doctors support a “single payer” plan that essentially eliminates the central role of private insurers. Most industrial societies — including nations as diverse as Taiwan, France, and Canada — have adopted universal health systems that provide health care to all citizens and permit them free choice of their doctors and hospitals. These plans are typically funded by a mix of general tax revenues and payroll taxes, and essential health-care is administered by nonprofit government agencies rather than private insurers.

The new poll, conducted by Indiana University’s Center for Health Policy and Professionalism Research, shows a sharp 10 percent spike in the number of doctors supporting national insurance: 59 percent in 2007 compared to 49 percent five years earlier. This indicates that more physicians are eager for systematic changes, said Toledo physician Dr. Johnathon Ross, past president of Physicians for a National Health Program.

“What this means is the usual bloc of anti-reform is breaking up,” he told The Toledo Blade. “These doctors are looking in the eyes of sick [uninsured] patients every day.”

The poll results underscore mounting signs that doctors are resenting the increasingly short leash on which they are held by insurers and large hospital chains, the current masters of American medicine. And, increasingly, doctors seem to be showing support for a single-payer system that would essentially eliminate for-profit insurers and curb the power of big provider chains.

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
3:34 pm

Jay

March 21st, 2010
3:35 pm

Elections grant authority, Dave R.

Polls do not.

And if you want to run a campaign on abolishing Medicare, Medicaid, etc., you are free to do so.

Don’t like your chances though.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
3:37 pm

Let’s also do away with the VA, disband the military as we know it too. None of that is in the Constitution.

Geeeezzzzzzzzzz!!!!!

Yes But

March 21st, 2010
3:39 pm

that represents a drag on our economy and our productivity every bit as real as a tax increase of that size.

Yes, but, you see, the Republicans are good with THAT kind of tax — the kind that their backers can use to further enrich themselves off the backs of others.

TGT

March 21st, 2010
3:42 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
3:42 pm

So no one has any proof of the alleged racial insults except the word of an avowed race baiting partisan hack, real nice.

Not enough hate in America for you goons?

Rants on the ground

March 21st, 2010
3:42 pm

And this ain’t no “historic vote” by any stretch of the imagination, it is a hand washing the likes of haven’t been seen since around the year of our Lord 1 BC, just sayin….

Breath in and hold it. Now, breath out, slowly. I said, slowly. Good. Now, again… .

Mr. Snarky

March 21st, 2010
3:43 pm

Peadawg

March 21st, 2010
3:43 pm

Nothing’s going to change after this bill is passed. Everyone will have to buy insurance, so what? What will stop the insurance companies from raising costs for an even BIGGER profit now that everyone MUST have insurance? Me and my wife both went to the doctor today for bronchitis, we each got a script for Levaquin and some cough/pain killer syrup. Total cost for BOTH – $50. Leave my insurance alone!

TGT

March 21st, 2010
3:43 pm

Lord Help Us

March 21st, 2010
3:44 pm

Yea Whiner…no proof, just lots of people that heard the epithets and many others, including Michael Steele, Cantor, Boehner and a few of the other GOPers covering their rear ends by finally apologizing…for something that did’nt happen…

Whiner, did you need proof of the Michele Obama’s ‘whitey’ video to spout off about it and make a a$$ out of yourself?

Why the double standard?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
3:45 pm

Man, listening to this debate on C-Span lets me know that most posters here could be members of the House. They’re all acting like kids instead of logical, sensible debate. Boy are we in need of statesmen today…

Valium

March 21st, 2010
3:46 pm

I love Republicans. They’re my reason for being.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
3:46 pm

LHU

Dang, you made me spit up coffee…

Wes

March 21st, 2010
3:47 pm

Jay,

We unfortunately have a two party system. They were not elected solely or even priamrily due to health care reform promises. They were elected due to corruption and incompetance on the part of Republicans.

This is an overstep that could have been left for individual states rather than a one size fits all solution for the country.

Wes

March 21st, 2010
3:47 pm

and please forgive the spelling

mm

March 21st, 2010
3:48 pm

“Where is the proof they actually happened, Bookman, are you are you a legitimate news source or a purveyor of second hand rumors, ala National Enquirer?”

Do you know how many rightwing buffoons have made this BS justification for what happened?

Republicans and their supporters are disgusting.

“Yet, for some reason, the same people who elected them have said time and time again that they don’t want THIS bill. By about 60%-40%.”

Though not true, public disagreemnt over the Iraq war didn’t stop Bush, did it?

Picture Perfect

March 21st, 2010
3:50 pm

Whiner, did you need proof of the Michele Obama’s ‘whitey’ video to spout off about it and make a a$$ out of yourself?

Pardon me but it is when he does not make said rear end of himself that he looks out of place.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
3:52 pm

TGT

C-Span just announced a deal between Stupak and Obama…

mm

March 21st, 2010
3:52 pm

“Leave my insurance alone!”

Peadog, I know you wingnuts don’t get it. but this bill doesn’t affect your insurance.

Peadawg

March 21st, 2010
3:53 pm

mm, answer my question, What will stop the insurance companies from raising costs for an even BIGGER profit now that everyone MUST have insurance?

TGT

March 21st, 2010
3:53 pm

Posted this before, but worth another look:

In the late 19th century, while taking a stand against government aid for a very deserving orphanage in New York City during a severe economic crisis, Grover Cleveland, a Democrat, said, “I will not be a party to stealing money from one group of citizens to give to another group of citizens. No matter what the need or apparent justification, once the coffers of the federal government are opened to the public, there will be no shutting them again. . . It is the responsibility of citizens to support their government. It is not the responsibility of government to support its citizens.”

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
3:54 pm

I guess after it’s all said and done, this watered down, feeble effort by president Milquetoast is PERHAPS good in one respect. It is the tiniest baby step in the direction of getting off their knees before the money masters.

And for you submissive sheep who still think the Titans of Malfeasance and Criminal Negligence are the good guys, methinks you and your beloved oligarchs and plutocrats have a really rude awakening coming in the coming years…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CCDUXVD2d8

To be insured or not to be insured...

March 21st, 2010
3:55 pm

Leave the Republican’s insurance alone. Sound good to me. We’ll take the protection offered by this legislation and not have our insurance rescinded or cancelled on the whim of some greedy CEO and you Republicans can do without it. Suits me just fine.

mm

March 21st, 2010
3:57 pm

Peadog,

Why don’t you read the bill.

Peadawg

March 21st, 2010
3:57 pm

“the whim of some greedy CEO”

Exactly my point. Again, ANYBODY on here, answer my question @ 3:53.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
3:58 pm

AmV

Ain’t that that Commie dude?!!? LOL!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
3:59 pm

Hole- I’m pretty sure I directed my question/ comment towards Bookman, who is supposed to be a professional and should be concerned with his “news” organization’s credibility, hahaha, yeah, ok.

Apparently he has nothing but rumor mongering, no surprises there.

Oh yeah, the whitey tapes, as I recall it, Bookman wrote a blog topic about that, how it was unfair, boo hoo hoo, blah blah.

Thanks for reminding me.

And Boner is REACTING TO THE BASELESS, UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS PUT FORTH BY THE STOOGE, HATE MONGERING, WHITE HOUSE LAPDOG MEDIA, as they have no other recourse, just sayin….

Any other questions?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
4:00 pm

Peadawg

Our insurance is going up regardless. It’s heads they win, tails we lose. Until we get corporations out of the pockets of our elected leaders, we need to heavily invest in KY or Astroglide.

SwamiDave

March 21st, 2010
4:00 pm

Ah….the moral justifications that underpin collectivism leading its shills and proponents to simply declare things that have no basis in reality.

“Nor does it represent “the chains of slavery and tyranny,” as U.S. Rep. Ted Poe of Texas alleged on the House floor a few minutes ago.”

Regardless of the claims of the collectivists, Jay, declaring a -right- to healthcare that does not exist and cannot be conferred by declaration by elected officials WILL represent a enforcement of slavery and tyranny. Either (a) doctors will be mandated to provide services regardless of the ability of those receiving the benefits to pay (AKA forced provision of services…..SLAVERY) or (b) taxpayers will be mandated to pay the doctors to provide those services (AKA forced financing of the services…..TYRANNY).

Americans supporting freedom and opportunity seeking an achievement-based society that fosters growth and prosperity will oppose this insidious spread of collectivism by any and all means.

As I shared in a direct message yesterday Jay, it is regretable that actions such as these by Democrats are polluting our environment to that point that further enforces the bitterness and anger between Americans. It is these very things that further breeds distrust and division.

Just remember this day when Republicans regain control and the actions that will be taken to strike this legislation down. I expect to hear no complaints!

-SD

What

March 21st, 2010
4:03 pm

Just remember this day when Republicans regain control and the actions that will be taken to strike this legislation down. I expect to hear no complaints!

You might want to stock up on hearing aid batteries.

Mirror, Mirror

March 21st, 2010
4:03 pm

Not enough hate in America for you goons?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
4:05 pm

“(a) doctors will be mandated to provide services regardless of the ability of those receiving the benefits to pay (AKA forced provision of services…..SLAVERY) or (b) taxpayers will be mandated to pay the doctors to provide those services (AKA forced financing of the services…..TYRANNY).”

Does Grady Health System sound familiar???

Linda

March 21st, 2010
4:06 pm

Arnold@2:41, Who are these “less fortunate”? The poor have Medicaid. The elderly have Medicare. Children have CHIP. Veterans have the VA. Employees have employer provided or sponsored plans in many companies. The only people this will help are a few middle class Americans who are sick.
Many of the 32 million Americans it’s supposed to insure don’t want to be insured. 10 million declined employer-sponsored coverage. Another 25% of them are eligible for Medicaid but have simply failed to enroll. The health care insurance denial rate is only 12.7% & many of those are able to obtain health insurance elsewhere.

Dusty

March 21st, 2010
4:09 pm

Has Chavez voted yet? Have any more DEALS been made yet? Will Obama and Pelosi run off to Argentina after this? Is Durban wearing his turban? I think I hear an insult in pig latin. Apologize, you punk!!! And get your hand off Stupak’s throat!!!

This is so much fun. Maybe I will go to work for the Inquirer and be a great journalist like Bookman.

Lord Help Us

March 21st, 2010
4:10 pm

Yea, just one more question, whiney…

You still promise to go ‘Ruby Ridge’ if HCR passes?

Or was that just another one of your ‘whines?’

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 21st, 2010
4:10 pm

Dusty

That’s funny!!!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
4:15 pm

You have mistaken me for a figment of your imagination, again, Hole.

I’m the one pushing impeachment, did you check out my new name?

Lord Help Us

March 21st, 2010
4:19 pm

OK, Whiney…that will be a good use of your time for the next 7 years.

Good luck and please do not allow the lack of any crimes derail your (latest) purpose in life.

See ya in the funny papers…

Dusty

March 21st, 2010
4:20 pm

SoCo,

Thank you. Boredom is going to get me in trouble yet. And I’m such an upright citizennnnnnn and………..Republican. Please…don’t shoot!!!! I’m innocent!!!

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:20 pm

This bill, like the people who crafted it, the cheerleader-in-chief touting it, the congress voting on it and the opinions most of us are expressing, stinks on ice. I want nothing short of free, universal health care as a right and not a privlege and nothing less will satisfy me as being moral. There is a human dimension to this. That human dimension is Heather’s post above. If this piece of cr*p ballyhooed by cr*p artists of both stripes does nothing more than get her child, not even her, the care she needs, then I’ll hold my nose, close my ears and say it was worth it.

@@

March 21st, 2010
4:20 pm

Off-topic kinda.

Just skimmed the previous thread…lotsa talk about the racial slurs hurled.

Video appears to dispute lawmaker’s claim of protesters’ racial slurs

Washington Times, I know, but a video is a video.

Let’s face it, THE PEOPLE are feeling disenfranchised. I thought righteous anger was allowed in this country. Having read some of the comments, it appears leftists will tolerate anger in one instance but not another.

Mirror, Mirror

March 21st, 2010
4:21 pm

I Report (-: You Whine,

I see all.

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:24 pm

DUSTY–

Ima Gonna and Nasty Nan won’t be welcome in Argentina. The justicialistas there don’t have DADT and have made gay marriage legal and equal…we could send them back in time to the Jacobins from which they sprang, though.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
4:27 pm

Baby killer Stupak caved. Apparently his “morals” had a price tag.

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:29 pm

Mirror, Mirror

“I see all.”

Oh, no, now the Bruin’s taken to posting under and assumed name and not highlighted in Union blue… :-)

Linda

March 21st, 2010
4:31 pm

Peadawg, You asked about the insurance companies raising costs for an ever bigger profit.
What do you think the insurance companies profits are? How do their profits rate within the top industries & companies in the US?
You referred to the “insatiable, profiteering, highly subsidized health, drug, hospital & insurance industry.” Who makes the most profits: drug manufacturers, hospitals or insurers? Who receives the most of our health care dollars? Who is the worst demon?

SwamiDave

March 21st, 2010
4:33 pm

…and here’s another lying Democratic liberal shilling the already-disproven lie about the 45,000 “uninsured that die because they don’t have health insurance”.

Totally a joke that the collectivists that went ahead and made signs shilling their lie.

Just another lying shill deserving no respect whatsoever!

-SD

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:34 pm

@@

Tolerance of hate-filled invective appears to be like human rights, a Chinese menu…I just can’t seem to keep all the memos filed properly, much less read them all…but, then, I’m just a simpleton…

John T

March 21st, 2010
4:34 pm

The results of this health care decision will be horrible.

http://www.communislam.com/health-care-266

Lord Help Us

March 21st, 2010
4:38 pm

Sorry, but a site called ‘communislam’ doesn’t look kosher to me…

Normal

March 21st, 2010
4:40 pm

Obamacare in …3…2…1…
————————

…And you wouldn’t believe wehat you can do in editing videos these days. Make Christ look like a f&rnicat+r, if you wanted too. Pictures do tell lies these days.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
4:42 pm

It matters not to me at all what the drunken mass of ignorance deems into law the glorious Sunday afternoon, either we are going to get the Nagasaki flame out of epic proportions or I will no longer have any health insurance.

If they want to send out their jackboot IRS Gestapo agents to lock me up, have at it. If this is how they think this country should be run, who I am to make a giant scene out of it, just sayin…

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:42 pm

Lord Help Us

“Sorry, but a site called ‘communislam’ doesn’t look kosher to me…”

Or halal either for that matter… :-)

Mick

March 21st, 2010
4:43 pm

Note to holier than thou republicans: Remember the crammer tom delay held open a vote for hours and pretty near committed blackmail on the house floor to get their medicare prescription drug bill passed. The CBO was on the mark with that prediction, so chalk up another one for the deficit most here are always yammering about.

Cyberbully Patrol

March 21st, 2010
4:44 pm

Point of order. Parliamentary proceedure has been ignored by several commenters here today. The sargeant at arms has also noted several word-limit violations.

That’s usually the first step to a cyberbullying incident.

I would suggest a quick glance at Roberts Rules of Order for several of the more frisky posters ignoring protocol here today.

The chair acknowledges the monitor for extended remarks as to why they should ban the Bookman Seven forever, if so desired.

We’ll take up a vote. The chair allots five minutes for yeigh or nay.

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:45 pm

Normal–
“Pictures do tell lies these days.”

And are worth a thousand words…if anybody’s keeping count…

Mr. Snarky

March 21st, 2010
4:45 pm

This is fun! All the mad ravings and gnashing of teeth over a bill that limits the unchecked power of health insurance companies and provides the ability for uninsured Americans to get reasonable health insurance that can’t be cancelled because you get sick. The bill is so middle-of-the-road that the AMA even supports it. You wingnut extremist sure do have great imaginations! You should put down your Ayn Rand novels and join us in the real world.

TW

March 21st, 2010
4:45 pm

GOP is really starting to smell like a loser.

Lost to bin laden

Lost ‘mission accomplished’

Lost the economy

Lost to Obama

And now they’ve lost to…Pelosi?

yup, buncha losers :)

Jackie

March 21st, 2010
4:45 pm

Kill the Bill

March 21st, 2010
4:46 pm

Kill the bill. Do you want Obombunism? (Obama. Bombs. Communism). that’s what will happen if we pass healthcare reform.

Nobombunism!!

Everybody shout: NOBOMBUNISM!! NOBOMBUNISM!!!

josef nix

March 21st, 2010
4:47 pm

The Russians have come…time out for more productive pursuits…back in a while…be nice…

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
4:48 pm

“It is an old maxim and a very sound one, that he that dances should always pay the fiddler. Now, sir, in the present case, if any gentlemen, whose money is a burden to them, choose to lead off a dance, I am decidedly opposed to the people’s money being used to pay the fiddler…all this to settle a question in which the people have no interest, and about which they care nothing. These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece the people, and now, that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people’s money to settle the quarrel.” Abraham Lincoln, in a speech to Illinois legislature, Jan. 1837.

Apparently Lincoln did not write it,(or did he?) but whoever did was a prescient genius!

jt

March 21st, 2010
4:49 pm

OMG,

this is getting serious. My local patriotic state militia cell has just been activated.

Until ordered to cease, I will try to keep you all posted.

Why did these guys keep pushing? I would have just paid the extra taxes.

TW

March 21st, 2010
4:49 pm

Weren’t we supposed to have our guns confiscated by now?

LOL!

Pogo

March 21st, 2010
4:49 pm

Jay, tell yourself what ever you want if it makes you feel better. Everytime I hear any Democrat publically talking and trying to support this bill I get the overwhelming sense that they are trying to make themselves believe that it is the right thing to do, not that they truly believe this bill will help us. They think that the Obama presidency and the democratic reign is history without it, good or bad. You are included in that Jay. Do you really believe this is going to help? We don’t have the money to pay for it.

Mr. Snarky

March 21st, 2010
4:52 pm

kill the bill…that’s really catchy, but you forgot to put references to Kenya and Islam. It should really be Nobombunislamya. Put that on your bumper and just count the funny looks you’ll get.

AF

March 21st, 2010
4:52 pm

We do need this bill to pass. The current system is badly broken and health care costs are eating up the economy, big and small businesses, government and school budgets, and bringing bankruptcy to thousands who have health insurance.

The current health insurance system doesn’t work.

Go, Democrats. Just get it done.

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
4:52 pm

“Apparently Lincoln did not write it,(or did he?) but whoever did was a prescient genius!” was meant to preface this quote:

“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

Mr. Snarky

March 21st, 2010
4:55 pm

JT, Thanks for the update. Whatever you do, don’t let Jack Bauer penetrate your cell.

joan

March 21st, 2010
4:58 pm

Another big entitlement program. Already 12 trillion in debt and sure to climb. There is no incentive now to work hard to make money. Let’s just all go on the dole. They will raise taxes on anything that moves to support this horrible joke on the American public. Of course the bums, and the illegals (who will be granted amnesty shortly so they can vote in November) are laughing all the way to your doctor’s office. What!! You say your doctor is retiring? I don’t blame him/her.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 21st, 2010
4:58 pm

Jaggie- I’m still waiting on proof, not hearsay.

Mick

March 21st, 2010
4:59 pm

Amvet

Interesting words. Maybe they were written 150yrs ago and nothing has really changed. One absolute, in the class war, the rich will almost always statistically prevail, just not every time..

jt

March 21st, 2010
5:02 pm

Code Black Flagg.

I repeat………………………………………………

Code Black Flagg.

joan

March 21st, 2010
5:02 pm

And by the way, I am retiring at the end of the year, and in the meantime, making sure I keep my income just under the magic $200,000 number. So enjoy your taxes because you are going to have lots more of them.

Pogo

March 21st, 2010
5:03 pm

“Limits the unchecked power of the insurance companies”? Anyone that believes this is down and out fool. You obviously don’t know the contents of this bill nor do you know politicians very well. Where do you think these very same politicians get their money from for their campaigns? You have a rude awakening coming moron. As much as you progressives don’t want to believe it, the corporations and the politicians are all in this together to make money and to gain power. And I now see that it is easier to pull the wool over the progressive voters eye than it is the conservative voter. Much easier.

Jackie

March 21st, 2010
5:05 pm

@I Report

Now, you don’t believe the folks in your own party? WOW!!!!!!!!

Mr. Snarky

March 21st, 2010
5:05 pm

Joan, thanks for the info…the parts of the bill I read didn’t mention the not having to work any more. I must have missed that provision. Amnesty for illegals includes citizenship and registers you to vote? Wow…I’m must have missed that too, but then I don’t watch Fox News.

jt

March 21st, 2010
5:06 pm

Damn, these fatigues shrunk up or something.

Jackie

March 21st, 2010
5:10 pm

Our current business climate indicates that 1 our of every 6 dollars of the Gross Domestic Production (GDP) goes for health care expenses.

Future projections indicate that roughly 45 cent of every dollar, in the next decade, will go to pay for health care expenses.

Those numbers can not be afforded by anyone and any economy. Something must be done now to contain these runaway costs.

AmVet

March 21st, 2010
5:10 pm

Mick, that last sentence is particularly disturbing, “..and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”

Is this not EXACTLY what is happening in America now?

But I sense a backlash coming, as even the professional thieves on Wall Street and their flunkies in Washington are beginning to realize that bringing the republic to the brink of financial disaster through that “orgy of excess and reckless behavior” and the associated ruin of millions of innocent American families, may ultimately cost the greedy pigs their MUCH less than sacred fortunes…