GOP congressmen: ‘Everyone would agree Iraq was a mistake’

Seven years ago today, the United States and its allies launched “Operation Iraqi Freedom” “to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, to end Saddam Hussein’s support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people,” as President Bush described it.

We now know that there were no WMDs, and that Hussein’s “support for terrorism” was largely a figment of imagination concocted by the Bush administration to justify an invasion that the American people might otherwise not have supported. So the war achieved only the third of Bush’s goals, handing the Iraqi people a freedom that it is now up to them to sustain.

Last week, at the libertarian Cato Institute in Washington, three Republican congressmen were interviewed by Grover Norquist. Maybe it was the friendly, nonconfrontational setting, but for whatever reason the congressmen were remarkably frank about the events of seven years ago and how they and their colleagues now view the war.

According to U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, (R-Ca.) and U.S. Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Ca.), all of their colleagues in the House Republican Caucus now believe that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.

The full discussion, parts of which are quite interesting, can be found here. Discussions at the 8-minute and 39-minute marks are particularly illuminating. The discussion excerpted above begins at 62:30.

291 comments Add your comment

Emily Litella

March 20th, 2010
11:28 am

getalife

March 20th, 2010
11:43 am

If they had any honor or shame, they would retire in disgrace.

They saw it worked for Obama and they are trying to get reelected.

SwamiDave

March 20th, 2010
11:54 am

Wonder how many voters would make a different decision in light of “bipartisanship”,”a different way”, & “hope and change” now in the bright light of perspective. Knowing what they know now, how many might vote differently in light of a bunch of hyper-partisan collectivist thieves using government as an instument of plunder of the achiening / productive class?

Here’s to derailng this thief and his cadre of dependecy pimps and fixing the American electorate’s “greatest mistake”!

-SD

getalife

March 20th, 2010
12:01 pm

Come on cons.

Admit it too.

The Mushroom Cloud

March 20th, 2010
12:04 pm

I was the smoking gun.

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
12:08 pm

Hindsight is always the best way to protect your hindquarters.

Mick

March 20th, 2010
12:21 pm

A bitter aftertaste for all who argued against that illegal war and were criticized for seeing it for what it was at the time. Besides the 4000 plus lost and possibly hundreds of thousands of iraqi’s, there are about 30k severely wounded soldiers, we’ll be hearing more from them as they age. War, what is it good for? absolutely nothing – say it again…

Kamchak

March 20th, 2010
12:22 pm

@@

March 20th, 2010
12:25 pm

“Hindsight is not wisdom and second-guessing is not a strategy.”–George W. Bush

No Democrats on that stage but plenty of them said the same thing about Saddam Hussein’s pursuit of WMDs.

Anyhoo, as it turns out, the end justifies the means….that’s what dems are arguing when it comes to health care reform.

“We have to pass the bill so Americans will know what’s in it.”–Nancy Pelosi

So tell us, jay, do you plan, on some time in the future, admitting that Obamacare was a mistake? I doubt it.

It’ll be the next generation who will have to deal with it, right?

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
12:41 pm

Years from now we’ll be saying, “Hope & Change lied, and the economy died”.

http://www.atr.org/userfiles/BHI%20Health%20Care%20Reform%20as%20Job%20Killer%287%29.pdf

Let’s see how many small businesses expand when they have to either provide mandated health insurance or pay a fine if they don’t.

Normal

March 20th, 2010
12:47 pm

For whatever their reason, it’s good to see some Republicans admitting the obvious…

Normal

March 20th, 2010
12:48 pm

The subject is the Iraqi war, not the economy…quit trying to change the subject.

History doesn't lie.

March 20th, 2010
12:55 pm

The reason Iraq is a mistake because we have set up a country where no distinction is possible between treason and blasphemy which ensures perpetual civil war.

Fact, jack.

getalife

March 20th, 2010
1:07 pm

President Obama won on this issue like heath care.

In his weekly address, he is talking about financial reform.

The gop will fight for the banks by flooding amendments.

The dems will win that one too.

Kamchak

March 20th, 2010
1:22 pm

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
1:39 pm

Yeah, Normal, we wouldn’t want to be talking about a more current and realistic failure, now would we?

Southern Comfort (Warum Amerikaner so böse die ganze Zeit sind?)

March 20th, 2010
1:43 pm

Normal

It’s the strategy of the day. Besides, everyone already knew Bush muffed the call with that one. Although, we really did arm Hussein back in the 80’s. We just took out all of what he had left during the 1st Desert Storm. Oh well, as they say, Bush is old news. Bash away at Obama.

Moderate Line

March 20th, 2010
1:47 pm

Anytime a politician admits he or his party was wrong it is quite revealing about the politican. My own guess is now that the Republicans have lost control of congress, the excutive branch and time has past they are less in grained in their defense of Iraq.

Another blog with no other intent of being anti-Republican. Can show any examples of Democrats admit being wrong or do you believe they are never wrong?

AmVet

March 20th, 2010
1:47 pm

The deadly legacy of the most disgraceful, most serially impeachable and most inept administration in American history.

And a staggering 97% of the apparatchiks in the GOP voted for the scam…

And don’t forget how the corporate owned “free press” aka the pro-war shuckers and grinners on TV and radio, absolutely loved the ratings boost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–HaFAtC17U

mike

March 20th, 2010
1:49 pm

LOL. Nice to see that Jay remembers that Iraq exists. Jay has utterly neglected Iraq since the surge that Jay stated would fail was demonstrating its success.

I guess partisan point scoring is the only thing that will bring Jay to mention Iraq. Unless of course things turn bad in Iraq again. I am sure that Jay will return to talking about it incessantly if it is going the way he wants it to.

Midori

March 20th, 2010
1:49 pm

The subject is the Iraqi war, not the economy…quit trying to change the subject.

that’s all they’ve go, Normal.

And even their silly slogans suck.

You really need to work on that some more, Dave.

Bush is the Man

March 20th, 2010
1:55 pm

So the so called successful surge was really just doubling down on a bad bet? I don’t think the congressmen would have confessed if the results had not been so obvious. And by the way, if any body posting that they are against healthcare reform can tell me what the plan limits are for ANY procedure or medication, I would be surprised. Ignorance is bliss. People are supporting a system that they have little to no idea of how it works. Insurance companies only pay because they are being nice. They can reject a claim for any (I did say ANY) reason. If you don’t believe me, read over the thick packet of information they sent you when you first enrolled.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 20th, 2010
2:01 pm

Even if Iraq becomes a total Iranian plebiscite and they use it as a base to launch nuclear attacks upon American cities, the damage would never equal what drunken obozo and his pillaging political party are doing to the United States, just sayin…

I suspect that is why Bookman has embarked on another Iraq Derangement Syndrome column, it’s like hide the salami, in a way.

Normal

March 20th, 2010
2:02 pm

Tomorrow is D-Day…or should I say O-Day? Anyway, like it has been said…Obama’s got this one. And the next one too. Sleep on that GOP.

As for Iraq…I concur. Yesterday’s news, but you ain’t seen nothing yet, until we leave. Then it will bite hard and we will really come to understand just what we paid for with 4000 plus lives gone and 30,000 plus lives ruined.

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
2:25 pm

Yeah, Midori, we’ve got an economy Hope & Change cannot fix, we’ve got a health care reform bill in the works that will kill jobs and ruin what does work in this country in health care all while INCREASING the Federal deficit (and negatively affecting every state’s Medicare budget as well), and all Bookman can write about is the Iraq war and three GOP congresscritters covering their backsides.

Boortz's beet

March 20th, 2010
2:31 pm

Neal Boortz thinks our kids wont forgive us for the taxing burden of Obamacare future. He closes out his statistical proof that CBO estimates are always wrong with: “Dont worry, though. The tab will be presented to your children and grandchildren. If you’re still around, I’m sure they will want to thank you.”

I think most of us WILL be around, thanks to Obamacare, Mr. Boortz. You will be around too, Mr. Boortz, to hear the condemnation of your own grandchildren for being totally wrong about about every human being’s right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Jim Osterman wrote an opinion in today’s AJC. zzzzz I don’t mind leeches. It’s cut-rate leeches I object to. Offensive and boring is not an easy trick. Only an uber-hack could have achieved that. Jim if you have nothing to say, then don’t say it, but don’t trivialize the pain many Georgians are experiencing right now just so you can show off what a walkin’ talkin’ copyright violation you are.

You basically said, “Georgians have it good if you compare them to the haitian earthquake victims”. But even that is being generous. You must have taken the little blue pill with your coffee because your opinion column today comes across like so much sexting.

Find your own voice and then shut the *%@! UP!

M-word.

Midori

March 20th, 2010
2:31 pm

yeah Dave — too bad the GOP is out of power, isn’t it?

I mean, the economy grew leaps and bounds under their stewardship, didn’t it?

And those contemptible Democrats just had to come along and ruin it.

I’m so very grateful that I don’t live in your world.

Cyberbully Patrol

March 20th, 2010
2:38 pm

Good one, Midori. (I adore Midori).

However, Midori’s comment comes close to almost being adjacent to a possible incident of something akin to a minor violation of the new anti-cyberbullying rules.

Perhaps a more general approach to rebuttal is the better part of debate.

Don’t directly address any individual, and you can’t go wrong. Otherwise this chatroom will quickly devolve into the cyberbullying equivalent of a senate hearing.

jt

March 20th, 2010
3:01 pm

What is cool is that these same politicians will be influencing your health-care.

More so after November.

And an Iraqi will scoff when told to wear a seatbelt.

Normal

March 20th, 2010
3:02 pm

You the girl, Midori! :)

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
3:09 pm

Hey Normal!!!

I see you’re here causing problems on this wonderful spring day.

josef nix

March 20th, 2010
3:24 pm

Let me see if I’ve got this, uh, straight. We can send thousands more of our youth off to prop up our puppet regime in Afghanistan which places me and my kind under death sentence for our very existence and not a peep about human rights and at the same time pillory our staunchest ally and only functioning democratic state in the region for it’s policy of building settlements on occupied lands, calling it all matter of human rights violations?

Get real. This administration is as hypocritical as any before it. I’m not in favor of settlements and I’m not in favor of a death penalty for gay people. Human rights is not a pick and choose Chinese menu. You’re either a supporter or you’re not. Ima Gonna is not. He talks out of both sides of his mouth for his own poltical advancement and self-agrrandizement. A pox on him.

Do I sound like I take this personal? D*mn straight!

A Mick

March 20th, 2010
3:29 pm

no mas

March 20th, 2010
3:31 pm

Midori, you are of course correct that the GOP badly mismanaged the economy; but the reason is because they behaved like democrats. If they ever decide to get back to their stated beliefs(doubtful), the economy will, in fact, boom.

However, the democrats ideology GUARANTEES a f**ked up economy. Free goodies for everybody.

Byron Mathison Kerr

March 20th, 2010
3:33 pm

I was sitting here last night recollecting that seven years ago I was in front of the courthouse in downtown Decatur participating in a candlelight peace vigil against military action in Iraq. I had started out very undecided, but after several weeks of listening to the pros, cons, and unknowns — and even attending a local Toastmasters public debate on the subject — I felt pretty sure it would be a bad move. Too bad I wasn’t proved wrong…

Pogo

March 20th, 2010
3:51 pm

Obama is a buffoon. Only the most severely blinded cannot see this now. Too bad the first black president had to be an idiot.

Normal

March 20th, 2010
3:52 pm

SoCo, In and out…doing yard work…
———————-

Josef, I couldn’t agree more.
“Human rights is not a pick and choose Chinese menu.” That is a awesome statement. May I use it too?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
3:58 pm

Normal

Don’t work too hard. Take a break and enjoy yourself too.

Pogo

I’m sure you’re not the only one who has that opinion, as many had the same opinion about the previous president.

josef

Ich kann Dinge durch Ihre Augen nicht sehen, aber ich verstehe Ihre Position. Auch ich leihe Ihre Phrase auch. Ich mag der!!

josef nix

March 20th, 2010
4:02 pm

Feel free to. You can attribute it to Pat Derien, Jimmy Carter’s Undersecretary of State for Human Rights. Her son and I ran around together growing up. We were bartending at a strategy session during Carter’s primary campaign and one our “typical Obama liberals” was telling her to tone it down and not be coming down on “our allies.” Normally a rather restrained lady, that’s what she snapped and it has stuck with me all these years. She stood her ground once her man was elected and, whatever else may be the “failures” of the Carter years, that’s one area that he made an impact and lived up to our American values in the international sphere.

josef nix

March 20th, 2010
4:11 pm

SoCo–
Machst du sehr gut mit Deutsch! Obama ist nicht der Teufel oder Antichristus, aber als Fuehrer ich habe keine Rücksicht für ihn. Er ist Heuchler nach meiner Meinung. Fur das wert…

RW-(the original)

March 20th, 2010
4:13 pm

Seven years ago today

I guess it was if we’re operating on Baghdad time, but it was seven years ago yesterday here. Anyway, count me out of the “everyone” as I don’t think it was a mistake at all.

Normal

March 20th, 2010
4:14 pm

SoCo, trying to whip a basement flooding problem…looooong trenches and french drains. Looooooooonnnggg trenches, with a spade…oy!

josef nix

March 20th, 2010
4:19 pm

RW
I would venture that the Kurds would agree. But we don’t make a big to-do about the success there, now do we? We bet our bucks on the wrong horse. When we leave and Gan Eden falls to the serpents, at least maybe the Kurds will be able to come out of the mess with a functioning democratic state of their own…

Mr. Right

March 20th, 2010
4:24 pm

Obama is twisting the Dems arms hard

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
4:36 pm

Actually, Midori, if you had any reading comprehension skills (which you obviously don’t), you’d notice that I didn’t accuse the Democrats of ruining the economy, but I did accuse them of not being able to do anything right to fix it.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
4:37 pm

Maybe it was the friendly, nonconfrontational setting, but more likely it’s the metaphysical certitude that Bush and Cheney will never wind up in a jail cell in the Hague, thanks to the current Administration’s complete lack of interest in pursuing such things, the congressmen were remarkably frank about the events of seven years ago and how they and their colleagues now view the war.

Fixed Jay’s typo.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
4:39 pm

Normal

Oooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

RW

I can agree with you because I feel that Bush I should have gone all the way to Baghdad in 1991 when we actually had the Iraqi people behind us. Instead, we ended up getting thousands slaughtered, and I’m sure that was a major part of the Anti-American sentiment when we went in the 2nd time. My folks used to always tell us to not start something we were not willing to finish.

josef

Computer können uns erscheinen klüger machen als wir sind wirklich. Wir müssen nur wissen, wie Sie sie weise benutzen.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
4:39 pm

Obama is twisting the Dems arms hard

Yep, that’s our well-centered, calm, collected Obama all over.

Mirror, Mirror

March 20th, 2010
4:40 pm

A pox on him.

I got mine

March 20th, 2010
4:50 pm

The insurance giant Cigna last year gave compensation packages worth more than $120 million to two executives who left the company, according to a filing with the SEC on Friday.

The vast majority of that total went to former chairman and CEO H. Edward Hanway who left his post with a retirement package worth $110.9 million — which included $18.8 million in executive compensation for 2009, as well as a healthy pension plan, deferred compensation and stock options.

Bosch

March 20th, 2010
4:52 pm

“the democrats ideology GUARANTEES a f**ked up economy. Free goodies for everybody.”

Oh my freaking God.

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
4:56 pm

Here’s my prediction following tomorrow’s expected vote.

I think it passes by one or two votes.

Following the requisite media signing opportunity of the original Senate bill, the Senate will pass about 2/3rds of the House reconciliation bill which will take about 2 weeks or so to accomplish. Following that signing, some conservative outlet will sue the federal government on the un-Constitutional use of the Commerce clause, and 5-10 states will join in with their own suits. An immediate injunction barring implementation of the bill will be put in place pending a legal decision. Later this year, another 20 states join in to those earlier suits.

Eventually, the mandate for buying insurance is ultimately overturned by the Supremes, and any and all parts of the bill that feed into the mandate are also removed.

States also sue the Feds for Medicare rules that cause their state budgets to go further into the red, and win that suit.

In November 2010, the House goes to the GOP, the Senate goes to the GOP in 2012 along with the White House. Following that election in 2013, the House and Senate both vote to repeal the entire health care reform package except for the 3-4 basic things they agree with, and the measure passes both houses on majority-only votes, as the filibuster as been effectively gutted in the Senate through the 2010 reconciliation process and will never be seen again.

All thanks to Democrat desires to do something “historic”, rather than something the American people actually want.

It is the law of unintended consequences, and it will play out almost exactly as described above because the Dems totally and completely misread the public on this issue.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
5:04 pm

“as the filibuster as been effectively gutted in the Senate through the 2010 reconciliation process and will never be seen again”

Dave, you might have been on to something until that statement right there tripped you up. The only way that will happen is if the Republicans become a permanent majority, which I seriously doubt. It didn’t happen while the Democrats have the majority despite the numerous times Republicans used reconciliation during their last majority stint.

As far as the law of unintended consequences, that is merely the fact that we live in an instant, forget by the minute, soundbite, fly-by-the-seat-of-our-pants, live in the now society. The Dems will lose majority and the pendelum will swing to the right. The Repubs will do something and the pendelum will swing back to the left. It’s a fact of life. Those of us in the middle have to live with this bullsh*t because the fringes want to scream and b*tch that no one is paying them any attention.

@@

March 20th, 2010
5:08 pm

The ultimate riskless trade will keep Wall Street afloat.

What wasn’t said however, was that things are different this time because of the implicit and explicit guarantees given by the US Federal Reserve and Treasury that they will not let the market collapse because US banks are ‘too big to fail’.

RS’s summation of what could lie ahead is particularly insightful: ‘Instituting a bailout policy that stressed recapitalising bad banks was like the addict coming back to the con man to get his lost money back. Ask yourself how well that ever works out. And then get ready for the reload’.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/companies/story/0,4574,377659,00.html

No hard lessons taught, none learned.

Mick

March 20th, 2010
5:10 pm

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
4:56 pm

Interesting synopsis except for a couple of things: Those lawsuits might get tossed and the repubs might not take back the house and senate. At this point they really have no one on their bench to run against obama. The healthcare plan is not the most important issue in november, jobs are. If the economy is recovering as they like to say; all bets are off..

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
5:10 pm

Oh my freaking God.

Bosch, it’s what conservadroids believe we believe.

Best not to bother setting them straight. 1) Most people aren’t conservadroids; and 2) if they’re awake, they’ll come around.

Byron Mathison Kerr

March 20th, 2010
5:12 pm

Mr. Right, March 20th, 2010, 4:24 pm wrote:
Obama is twisting the Dems arms hard

President Obama addressed the House Democratic Caucus less than two hours ago. He told the members not to cast their vote on account of him, Pelosi, Reid, or campaign politics. He said that unless members of the House truly and honestly believed that the health care reform bill would be better for America and its people, then they should vote against it.

That’s not my idea of arm twisting.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
5:17 pm

Byron

Just the mere fact that Obama addressed them about health care is arm twisting. Don’t you know, Obama has that mental telepathy stuff. He can do those things without moving his mouth or reading the teleprompter. hehehehehe

j/k :D

Pogo

March 20th, 2010
5:17 pm

Every president has HAD his “mistake”. Bush’s mistake was Iraq because it founded on iffy intelligence and more importantly it gave his “haters” the Democrats, ammunition to use against him and the Republican party which ultimately led to Obama being elected. America has always been lucky in that we had the right person elected at the right time in history, . Unfortunately, that did not happen with the last election. Obama’s mistake is believing that all of his Harvard/Reverend Wright/Ayers taught socialist policies can work. There is no money left in the the American coffers for socialist experimentation and our economy is now terribly out of balance. There is not enough money coming from the private sector to pay for the what Obama, Pelosi and Reid want to spend to create their socialist eutopia. While they placate their base into believing that at last they have free reign to do what should have been done all along, their base are ultimately the ones that will suffer because of their decisions. America is broke and it cannot pay for what the socialist/progressives desire.

Midori

March 20th, 2010
5:32 pm

Dave,

the only problem I have is not being able to scroll past your tripe fast enough.

You’re a one trick pony.

I was sitting here last night recollecting that seven years ago I was in front of the courthouse in downtown Decatur participating in a candlelight peace vigil against military action in Iraq.

I was there too, Byron.

Too bad the warmonger in chief wouldn’t listen.

Yet the Keyboard Kommandos expect Obama to hang onto their every discussion board post.

Midori

March 20th, 2010
5:34 pm

Just got back from Outback.

In case anyone is interested, they are giving free blooming onions to military and retirees.

You just have to show proof of your service.

Now back to my onion………

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
5:35 pm

About the “arm twisting.”

I was thinking about what I would do if I were in the oval office, telling the President that I would be very likely to lose my seat, because most of my constituents listened to Rush and were kind of stupid and gullible, and I won my seat, which flipped Dem, in 2008 because we got something like 89% turnout among African Americans and they likely won’t come out in such great numbers to support me in November.

I’d ask for a job. I’d say, “Mister President, I think I could be of service as an assistant director on your Widget Task Force.”

And I’d expect the President to say, “If it comes to that, Congrefsman Stands, you can rest assured I’ll put in a good word for you.”

I think that’s the kind of “arm twisting” that actually takes place. But what do I know.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
5:36 pm

Just got back from Outback.

Gag me with a turd. For God’s sake, why?

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
5:38 pm

I guess I should mention, I’ve dined at Outback Corporate Restaurant Chain Gang Outlets on about three occasions.

Each time the steak was chewy and the service indifferent. And it reminded me how much easier it was to simply slice a one-inch section of a beef loin, trim the silverskin, salt and grill over high heat, if I wanted an awesome cooked-cow experience.

stands for decibels

March 20th, 2010
5:40 pm

Off to dinner/movie with Mrs. sfd.

Be excellent to one another, and don’t invade any countries while I’m out.

Bosch

March 20th, 2010
5:50 pm

“Obama’s mistake is believing that all of his Harvard/Reverend Wright/Ayers taught socialist policies can work.”

Oh my freaking God. Sorry, Pogo. :-)

Midori

March 20th, 2010
5:50 pm

Stands,

their prime rib is pretty good.

plus, I’m lazy :)

Midori

March 20th, 2010
5:51 pm

Bosch,

lots of one trick ponies around here :)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 20th, 2010
6:20 pm

Well, a 92 was pretty good for me. That’s my score if you don’t count the 11 lost balls, which I don’t. It’s penalty enough to loose a ball. I ain’t taking strokes for it too.

Anyhow, did they find the WMDs over there yet? They must of hid them real, real good. And it’s hard to find them because the towelheads keep making big bombs out of the big cannon shells we bypassed on the way to Baghdad. You could get hurt bad if you get too far off of the main roads. Bunch of preverts.

Have a good night everybody.

The secret is in those tiny little tea leaves

March 20th, 2010
6:25 pm

Abusive, derogatory and even racist behavior directed at House Democrats by Tea Party protesters on Saturday left several lawmakers in shock.

Preceding the president’s speech to a gathering of House Democrats, thousands of protesters descended around the Capitol to protest the passage of health care reform. The gathering quickly turned into abusive heckling, as members of Congress passing through Longworth House office building were subjected to epithets and even mild physical abuse.

Those tea partiers! They’re such a riot!

Normal

March 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

The secret is in those tiny little tea leaves

March 20th, 2010
6:25 pm

Yeah, I just read that…really makes ya proud of them…not!

When you have to resort to racial slurs, you know you’ve lost the debate. Nice going, tea drinkers… :roll:

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
6:36 pm

Normal

Amen on the slurs. I guess that’s the Orange Pekoe’s version of intelligent debate.

Dave R.

March 20th, 2010
6:40 pm

Midori, the problem with you is reading comprehension.

Or lack thereof.

And SoCo, what will happen with the filibuster is going to be epic, all because of the Dems craving for history, rather than doing the right thing.

The filibuster is dead as of 2013, probably earlier. Even when the Dems get back in power, they’ll just retaliate against the GOP for using reconciliation to kill their “historic” bill. It will be a never-ending war of partisanship that will be no better than what the House is today, and it will all lay at the feet of this Democrat Senate and this Democrat President for allowing and encouraging it.

All because one woefully inept community organizer wants a place in history other than the color of his skin.

Brett

March 20th, 2010
6:54 pm

But…but…”Misshun Complished”????

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
7:05 pm

Dave

I just don’t see it that way. I see nothing more than political posturing from both sides. As soon as one side does as you think they will, they will basically be performing their own eulogy. The Dems griped about reconciliation when it came to the last Republican-led Congress just as the Repubs are doing now.

It’s no different than when the Republicans talked about using the “nuclear” option. It ends up being Kabuki Theatre. It serves no other purpose than to get the faithful all foamy at the mouth and help bring in donations.

I think the “inept” community organizer will sit right alongside the “inept” cowboy and businessman who just left office when it comes to history. Afterall, they are Presidents #43 and #44. Based on the judgment of the American people, I’m more worried about #45 than I am about #44.

Normal

March 20th, 2010
7:18 pm

SoCo,
” I’m more worried about #45 than I am about #44.”

and that’s the problem, no one looks that far ahead. The “Opposition” can’t see past their nose. As to judgement, not necessary when you are being told what to believe and then believing it as gospel

Midori

March 20th, 2010
7:18 pm

those t-rex baggers sure are classy:

Tea Partiers Call Lewis ‘N****r’, Frank ‘F****t’, At Capitol Hill Protest

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/tea-partiers-call-lewis-nr-frank-ft-at-capitol-hill-protest.php?ref=fpblg

Midori

March 20th, 2010
7:19 pm

LOL – Which are you, Dave?

larry

March 20th, 2010
7:25 pm

KLAS-TV reported yesterday that among the issues the Justice Department is looking at is the relationship between Ensign and eCommLink, a Las Vegas credit card company. The firm and several other local credit card firms, KLAS reported, had recently lost out on a bid for a federal contract, and wanted to boost their influence in Washington. Ensign’s office reportedly told the companies about proposed new credit card regulations that would hurt the industry, and said it would fight the proposals in exchange for a $28,000 contribution to the NRSC, which eCommLink gave.

Umm, i dont think the Republicans are going to win anything back real soon. They are going to be too busy fighting the FBI

jt

March 20th, 2010
7:39 pm

From the NYT—————————-

From Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal on down, the military’s position is clear: “U.S. forces no longer eradicate,” as one NATO official put it. Opium is the main livelihood of 60 to 70 percent of the farmers in Marja, which was seized from Taliban rebels in a major offensive last month. American Marines occupying the area are under orders to leave the farmers’ fields alone.

“The Taliban are the ones who profit from opium, so you are letting your enemy get financed by this so he can turn around and kill you back,” he added, referring to how the Taliban squeeze farmers for money to run their operations.

Hajji Said Gul, a 51-year-old farmer with nine acres of poppies in Marja, said that after he paid back loans to buy seeds, and gave the Taliban their 10 percent of the profits, he earned $500 an acre with each harvest.

“Marja is a special case right now,” said Cmdr. Jeffrey Eggers, a member of the general’s Strategic Advisory Group, his top advisory body. “We don’t trample the livelihood of those we’re trying to win over.”

I guess they don’t have to “win over” American citizens who grow a little pot. Actually, American citizens are financially destroyed and imprisoned for growing weeds.

Weird. And Afganistanians don’t have to wear seatbelts either.

Afghans-R-Us

March 20th, 2010
7:46 pm

… And Afganistanians don’t have to wear seatbelts either.

jt

March 20th, 2010
7:56 pm

Jarmanius Jackson from South West Atlanta would be incarcerated and felonized for trying to help his family out by growing a weed.

Same with Ty “Bone” Pickens in east Kentucky.

I guess the Hajis of Afganistan just stood up more forcefully or something. I don’t know. Maybe it has something to do with Kalisnichovs.

SOUTHERN ATL

March 20th, 2010
8:12 pm

jt

March 20th, 2010
8:17 pm

Can’t grow tobacco either, here in the land of the free. Not over five acres.

Cracking down on the salt too. Although that’s just a mineral.

I wonder if one may buy unpasteurized milk in Kabul? Can’t here.

Are there EEOC lawyers available in the Anwar province?

The secret to unpasteurized milk

March 20th, 2010
8:29 pm

SOUTHERN ATL

March 20th, 2010
8:30 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 20th, 2010
8:42 pm

“As to judgement, not necessary when you are being told what to believe and then believing it as gospel”

I guess I’ll eventually have to sign up for the daily memos so I’ll know what to argue about. I don’t want to be the odd man out. :)

Normal

March 20th, 2010
8:57 pm

SoCo, There’s only one “odd man out”…Normal! ;)

…and with that, I’m signing off…have a great night, y’all

RW-(the original)

March 20th, 2010
9:06 pm

Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon House Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted “the N-word, the N-word, 15 times.” Both Carson and Lewis are black, and Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones also said that it occurred.

Color me skeptical. I’d like to see a video of who was yelling this and then follow them back to find their SEIU or MoveOn roots, but what passes for journalism these days just sends along these third party accounts to discredit an honest demonstration.

RW-(the original)

March 20th, 2010
9:27 pm

josef & SoCo,

Didn’t mean to come off as rude by ignoring your responses earlier. I forgot to add the /drive by tag to my post.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 20th, 2010
9:37 pm

I was the one who could Frank a f*****t, just sayin….

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 20th, 2010
9:39 pm

Ok, let me try this again-

I was the one who called Frank a f*****t, just sayin….

I should learn to laugh after I hit submit…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin...

March 20th, 2010
10:03 pm

The stage is now set for three big votes on Sunday: the first to bring the “fix-it” bill to the House floor. The second on the bill. Then the final vote would be on the Senate bill itself.

If the final bill passes the House, the Senate plans to take it up next week.

Looks like I will be choosing the sharp stick in the eye.

I mean really, the end result of all this will be that obozo is the laughingstock of even the most remote Amazon tribe, peoples who haven’t had contact with the outside world for centuries will giggle when they hear his name, but f man, how much more of this embarrassment must we endure?

I’d rather be waterboarded, that ain’t no s&^%.

Someone please, intervention now.

The secret to unpasteurized milk

March 20th, 2010
10:06 pm

TnGelding

March 20th, 2010
10:12 pm

Well, most of us knew it at the time; no “in retrospect” qualifier needed. How many times have I pointed out that Saddam could have been removed without an all-out war?

It’s refreshing tho to hear the lap dogs fess up. If they had challenged Bush I truly believe they wouldn’t have lost their majority in Congress.

TnGelding

March 20th, 2010
10:15 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Impeach Drunken Fool obozo! Just sayin…

March 20th, 2010
10:03 pm

It won’t affect you. What’s wrong with others being given the same peace of mind you have? We’re all going to pay for it one way or another anyway.

Dusty

March 20th, 2010
10:31 pm

Well, what do ya know? Two congressmen from California, the land of debt and dooodlebugs, have now decided that the seven year old Iraq conflict was a mistake. How about that? It only took them seven years to change their minds.

Seven years ago Democrats and Republicans gave President Geroge W. Bush the go ahead. Fortunately, Bush did not wait seven years to take action. He moved!! Our troops did their job and Iraq defintely has no dictator, no wmds, no terrorists and still manages election times for their officials.

But the two switcheroos of slow brainwaves are BIG news for Bookman. Poor guy. Best he can do is two Republicans who changed their minds after seven years. Wait ’til he finds out what Democrats have changed their minds about in one year.. Healthcare is going to be a dirty word and Democrats will be at home putting on their own bandaids instead of waiting for someone else to do it.

Yeah, seven years ago dictators and terrorists went into hiding Now they see Americans whining ;”who’s gonna take care of me???” when those same people live in the best country and the best conditions in the world. So excuse me if I take a little time supporting our troops who are keeping us free. And if you pass the budget breaker bandaid bill tomorrow don’t bother to tell me. I don’t like to hear bad news for America.

Midori

March 20th, 2010
10:51 pm

hahahahahaha

Andy got real excited there.

They must be speaking your language, huh? :lol:

TnGelding

March 20th, 2010
10:54 pm

Well, the Gelding got castrated again in the second round of the NCAA tourney. Ouch!

Jackie

March 20th, 2010
11:01 pm

A strange thing about the Iraqi invasion; the War Powers Act was never enacted, therefore, the invasion itself was illegal. More than 4,000 Americans gave their lives with more than 30 thousand sustaining major combat injuries. Now, these same folks that showed their patriotism on their lapels and carping about Bush and his administration being criticized.

We know how many lives were affected directly; do we know how many Iraqis were killed and injured?; do we know how many American families were affected directly by their loved ones?; do we know how much the war has cost the American treasury?

The war is so reviled in the UK, former Prime Minister Tony Blair has moved to the USA, converted to a Roman Catholic, has an academic position at Yale University and is a multi-millionaire. Hmmmmmmmm.