Health care debate brings out the best in America … or not

Demonstrators on both sides of the health care debate gathered Tuesday outside the district office of U.S. Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy, a Democrat from Ohio. The video below was shot by the Columbus Dispatch. Kilroy initially voted in favor of the bill, but has not yet taken a position regarding the Senate version.

Pay particular attention to the part beginning at .53 minutes. The sign held by the older man on the ground reads “Got Parkinson’s? I do and you might. Thanks for your help.”

490 comments Add your comment

NowReally

March 17th, 2010
3:11 pm

It’s very telling when you throw money at a person, as if he/she is beneath you or less human.

Obamania

March 17th, 2010
3:12 pm

The Tea Party protesters look like they were chosen by central casting. That incident could easily have escalated. It was a damn near thing, if you ask me.

It could be a long, hot summer.

Buffalo'd

March 17th, 2010
3:13 pm

The signs both sides were carrying mostly say, “hooray for our side”.

OK(K) Korral

March 17th, 2010
3:15 pm

The Tea Party protesters sure do look and sound like the Aryan Supremacists that used to appear on Oprah till she banned them from her show. Secession is alive and well.

Walk softly boys.

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:18 pm

Or not. Disgusting! What a bunch of losers. With freedom comes rational debate.

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
3:21 pm

Bosch

March 17th, 2010
3:25 pm

I wonder how many of the “it’s written in a way we can’t understand and it’s being crammed down our throats” crowd have actually read a bill? Any bill – at all?

Saxby Shameless

March 17th, 2010
3:28 pm

Sick? No health care? No job?

The GOP doesn’t want to hear from you. We already have the greatest health care in the world. Never mind the whiners who don’t have jobs or have pre-existing conditions — they just want a hand-out and they’re not really sick.

Normal

March 17th, 2010
3:30 pm

States’ Rights on the Rise

Several states, most of them red, have been adopting resolutions emphasizing their own rights or denouncing federal authority. South Dakota and Wyoming have declared federal gun laws invalid if the gun is made and used within the state; the Oklahoma House has passed a resolution saying they should be able to vote on opting out of federal health-care reform; Utah’s legislature has said the federal government cannot enact health-care reform without its permission, and also said the state has the power to seize federal land under eminent domain; and Alabama, Tennessee, and Washington are all considering measure to assert local police’s power over federal authorities. Much of this legislation has been championed and pushed by Tea Parties, but it’s unlikely much of it will last. “Article 6 says that that federal law is supreme and that if there’s a conflict, federal law prevails,” says one constitutional-law professor. “It’s pretty difficult to imagine a way in which a state could prevail on many of these.”

Read it at The New York Times

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:32 pm

We’re going to pay, one way or the other. Might as well include everyone and let those that can help pay their own way. But insurance is not an absolute necessity. Its very nature tells you most of us won’t need expensive medical treatment. But do you want to take that chance?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:33 pm

Unless you’re a lawyer or read lawyerspeak, you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written. It’s very telling of our mentality when you see the way we treat each other. The days of sensible dialogue are gone the way of the 8-track player. I’d hate to be in some of these people’s shoes when it’s time to own up to their actions come Judgement Day…

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:34 pm

Normal

March 17th, 2010
3:30 pm

Secede! …and die.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Normal

I tried telling that to jt the other day, but I was merely dismissed. ATFE has jurisdiction over licensing of firearms so those laws will be done away with. It doesn’t matter if the gun was made inside the governor’s rectal cavity.

Paul

Is that you with the white beard and hat in that video? That guy was about the most sensible person in that clip.

Bosch

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

SoCo,

“you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written.”

Exactly. So why now are these people all concerned that they can’t understand what’s in the bill? I have, on occassion, had to read a bill for various things that have come up in my job, and even then only about 5-7 – they are boring, they are all long and drawn out and by the time you’ve finished a few pages your willing to jump out the window just to make the boring stop – so now, all these people are all concerned ’cause they can’t understand what’s in the bill, like it’s some kind of “black helicopter” type conspiracy. Puh-leaze.

NowReally

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Whenever I hear the term States Rights, a picture of the Civil Rights Movement comes to mind. That was the favorite terminology during that time period.

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:37 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:33 pm

They were debating this today in the House. Someone has introduced a bill to change all that.

http://www.braley.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=303&Itemid=72

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

Well, those Tea Party people sure looked good and White. While the people rooting for this Commie bill were mostly Those People and radical women.

Heck, if I didn’t know better I’d swear the Tea Party people were just good old boys looking to start the Klan up again. They just make me a Proud American. Especially the way they throwed money at the cripple and told him to get to work if he wanted care. What a fine charitable bunch. It just goes to show we still got real Patriots amongst us.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

Looks like the real life equivalent of this blog sometimes.

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

You’re a treasure!

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
3:42 pm

Who is the guy throwing money…seems like a douche bag.

stands for decibels

March 17th, 2010
3:43 pm

They just make me a Proud American. Especially the way they throwed money at the cripple and told him to get to work if he wanted care. What a fine charitable bunch. It just goes to show we still got real Patriots amongst us.

Sometimes, you just gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Bosch

March 17th, 2010
3:46 pm

jewcowboy,

Seems like a douche bag? Really?

arnold

March 17th, 2010
3:49 pm

The lady at the end sounded just like during the civil rights struggle. “it’s not the right time. it’s being forced on us, etc” Well yes. Civil Rights had to also be forced. Medicare was declared horrible bt Regan and the rest of the Republicans. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

Looks like the real life equivalent of this blog sometimes.

Do you think they were actors reading out our blog entries from one of the previous health care threads?

Bosch

There was one I read front to back last year that made me quit drinking for a while. My head was so screwed up, I couldn’t think straight.

TnGelding

That Rep get’s my respect for that. I thought something like that had been voted on before.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:52 pm

jcb

seems??? I think he passed that point when he got out of his car.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
3:54 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي) ,

“Unless you’re a lawyer or read lawyerspeak, you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written”

You are certainly correct. The following is simply a bill to re-authorize transportation legislation already in action that costs the over $600B. It reads the same as the healthcare bill…where is the righteous indignation and fury about not being able to read it and comprehend it?

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reauthorization/safetea_bill.pdf

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
3:57 pm

It never fails. Whenever you get a bunch of Republicans together, they tend to act like flaming a**holes.

Did you see that corksoaker that was throwing dollar bills at that man on the ground.

This is one lib like to teach that “conservative” a couple of things about manners…

HDB

March 17th, 2010
3:57 pm

“Well, those Tea Party people sure looked good and White. While the people rooting for this ****** bill were mostly Those People and radical women.”

Redneck does have a “point”: those who are for the bill look like a cross-section of the American people…and those who oppose are white….who wish to maintain the status quo…..and ensure that those who need affordable health care do not have access to it!!

The wealthiest of us have theor legions continually spouting distortions in order to maintain their wealth…..and have no compassion for those in need!! WOW!!

stands for decibels

March 17th, 2010
3:58 pm

where is the righteous indignation and fury about not being able to read it and comprehend it?

Earning interest in the First National Bank of Manufactured Poutrage.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
3:59 pm

Who is the guy throwing money…seems like a douche bag.

I wonder if that is the same way he distributes his largess at the local strip club.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:00 pm

Bosche / Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي),

“seems??? ”

Not actually knowing the man, I wrote “seems” because he might be a wonderful individual on all other topics or on any different day. That, however, does “seem” remote ;)

Perhaps he was just returning from a weighty conference with the heads of the leading non-profits in the entire universe and was distracted by the crowds in his way.

AF

March 17th, 2010
4:00 pm

Is health care a social good, like police and fire protection, clean water, and public schools?

Just because it hasn’t been a social good in the past doesn’t mean it should not be now. There was a time when there were no public schools or water systems run by governments. The rich had tutors for their kids and everyone had wells on one side of the yard and privies on the other. What changed that it became normal for local areas to build schools and tax the folks who live in that area for the schools? Is there an advantage or should we go back to no public schools? Even vouchers is a way of providing schooling, a way to redistribute income so that those who cannot afford to hire tutors can do so; isn’t that socialism?

We could do away with public water systems and just go private. Of course, that gives a heck of a lot of power to someone we want to operate out of the profit motive. If we did, I certainly would not want any “tort reform” where someone could give me poorly treated water and kill me, and then get away with limited liability.

Isn’t every public good that is paid for out of tax dollars a form of socialism?

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

Unless you’re a lawyer or read lawyerspeak, you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written.

I think that’s by design.

I like the idea of Congressman Braley’s bill. I do hope it they don’t outlaw no double negatives though. They might send me to prison if they do. :lol:

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

“corksoaker”

Using context clues, I’m gathering that word has nothing to do with fishing…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

Kamchak,

“I wonder if that is the same way he distributes his largess at the local strip club.”

No…for someone working for a living he would just give her a brochure for this:
http://www.kinky-kellie.com/

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
4:04 pm

jcb

That’s why I choose not to do political rallies. I used to have a problem with anger management and I’d hate to have a relapse occur.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
4:05 pm

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:06 pm

Well, I’ve never been to a protest but this one didn’t seem out of line. No broken windows, no clubs swinging, no tear gas, no one hitting anyone, no shots fired, no dogs, and no one mauled.

Since Bookman did not point this out, may I being your attention to the sensible people who stood quietly and were interviewed. They stated they would like a discussions and there were changes needed but the cost and the pure complexity of this bill was more than they wanted.

The man with Parkinson’s was the only one mentioned by Bookman. Here’s a man strong enough to go to a protest known to be noisy and crowded . I am sorry if he were truly ill but obviously the ones who saw him did not think so.

There were people of different races there and no one was being intimidated. It was not the place to go if you wanted tea and crumpets served on a silver platter. It was the voice of objection to the health care bill.

I thought liberals liked DISSENT and VARIED OPINIONS and looking at both sides. How many repeat quotes have I heard from Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers about the value of free speech for all??? Many many times.

The passing of this healthcare bill will be seen as an injustice to the majority. Therefore you are seeing protests. If you don’t like it, just remember, it is the American Way as approved for us in our Constitution. Grin and bear it.

joe matarotz

March 17th, 2010
4:07 pm

Do you know how you can tell the guy with the sign had Parkinson’s? You can’t. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn’t. All you have to do is visit downtown Atlanta to know there are plenty of scammers panhandling. One thing I can say for sure: the media was wetting themselves over this show. Call me a doubting Thomas, but who can say with certainty that the Parkinson’s guy wasn’t a plant?

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:07 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي),

“That’s why I choose not to do political rallies.”

I’m more in the mindset of Barney Frank:

“I would prefer people channeled that energy (from the Prop 8 protests)—whether it’s for marriage equality or employment nondiscrimination—into mobilizing and trying to persuade those who disagree with them. Notice that the NRA never marches. This is my continual debate with people in the gay community, many of whom want to hold rallies instead of doing political lobbying.”

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:09 pm

joe matarotz,

“but who can say with certainty that the Parkinson’s guy wasn’t a plant?”

Brilliant if he was. He brought out the true colors of some of those present.

Pogo

March 17th, 2010
4:10 pm

Yep. Anybody that doesn’t agree with Obama and his socialist agenda is an “aryan” or a “racist”, isn’t that right? Laying it on a bit thick there, aren’t you boys? I guess we’ll see in November who the American people trust. It could be Obama and his house/senate socialists or it could be the conservatives. Who knows??? It will be an interesting fall. I know where I’d put my money.

Redneck, I don’t think you really drive a beer truck, do you? I have a friend who really does drive a beer truck and you defintely are not a beer truck driver. That takes way too much work and time and seeings how you are available to pop up here all day with your sad satirical comments to demean southerners and conservatives, I would be willing to bet that you are on some government dole, aren’t you and that you don’t work at all. No, you defintely are a not a worker.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
4:11 pm

Seems to me that these Tea Party folks missed the part about sharing your toys when they grew up. They are so damn afraid that someone might actually ask them to pay thier fair share that they can’t think straight. They remind me of my 5 year old when she wants candy and doesn’t get it.

Funny thing is if they would stop, think and research they most likely would find that health care reform would save them money and ultimately provide better care. Is the bill perfect? No. Are they things in there that I would cut out? Yes. Is it a start? Yes

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
4:13 pm

I encountered people like that at Tom Price’s health care town hall meeting. Nice, well-to-do white people acting just like that. Shouting down legitimate discussion points with assinine rhetoric about communism. They couldn’t care less about people who have been denied coverage and/or actual care. (These same azzwipes fill the churches on Sunday too.) Disgusting. I immediately increased the security equipment at my modest little home. Learned how to use it too. You betcha.

HDB

March 17th, 2010
4:14 pm

“I thought liberals liked DISSENT and VARIED OPINIONS and looking at both sides. How many repeat quotes have I heard from Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers about the value of free speech for all??? Many many times.”

Can’t speak for everyone, Dusty…but I DO!! The problem is when dissent is complete with DISTORTIONS and LIES….particularly those points generated from Fox News or the right-wing media!! Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity/Neil Boortz are master distorters of reality…and too many people follow them like sheep!! Reading MULTIPLE sources to derive an opinion IS what should create an informed voter….not just repeating the bile that comes forth from the right wing!!

Don’t get me wrong…..there’s plenty of blame on both sides of the spectrum….but the greatest cacaphony about Obama and current issues comes from the RIGHT!!!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

They couldn’t care less about people who have been denied coverage and/or actual care. (These same azzwipes fill the churches on Sunday too.) Disgusting.

Don’t talk mean about Sister Dusty. She thinks like the godly Tea Party people and goes to church every Sunday too.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

BTW for those complaining about the reconciliation process, a bit of history:

The 1995 Balanced Budget Act was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 52 to 47.

The 2001 Bush Tax Cut was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 58 to 33.

The 2003 Bush Tax Cut was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 50 to 50, with Dick Cheney casting the tie-breaking vote.

The 2005 Deficit Reduction Act was also passed in reconciliation with a 50 to 50 vote and a Cheney intervention.

The 2006 Tax Relief Extensions Act was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 54 to 44.

Please note, all under Republican majorities and the world did not stop functioning in any case.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:18 pm

Pogo,

It seems a bit duplicitous to, in one line, say that those on here call “Anybody that doesn’t agree with Obama and his socialist agenda is an “aryan” or a “racist””, and in the next say that Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) must be “on some government dole” and that he “don’t work at all” becuase you disagree with his posts.

“Don’t Make Assumptions. Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.” ~ Miguel Angel Ruiz

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
4:20 pm

“I’m gathering that word has nothing to do with fishing…”

Only to the extent that I would cut his fatass up and use him for catfish bait, my friend…

Night Train

March 17th, 2010
4:21 pm

I can give you the results from a poll I took from one doctor, he’s done with insurance. He is the majority owner of a practice that employs 5 doctors. He has stopped taking any type of insurance. You go to his practice you pay what he considers a fair amount for the 20 minute appointment, $110.00, cash, check, credit or debit card. That only includes his time, no free meds or any tests. If you need a prescription or additional You want to submit it to your insurance that’s your business. He will give you the ‘codes’ for an office visit. He let 4 people go that did nothing but insurance paperwork.

N-GA

March 17th, 2010
4:22 pm

That video let’s people see what the Republican Party is really made of……

Jess

March 17th, 2010
4:23 pm

AJC this morning. Fact check. Almost everything Obama is claiming about costs and savings in the health care bill is not accurate. Most people will pay more, some a lot more. Insurance rates will go up, not down.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:24 pm

Yes, Matilda,

Keep your doors locked and the security system on. Those nice, white, welltodo people are going to be over there breaking into your home every chance they get. Or selling drugs to your children. Or locking you out of the emergency room. Stealing your car. They are one mean bunch. Better get a bull dog ,too. They are a big help if trained not to attack your little ones. Good luck!!

Night Train

March 17th, 2010
4:25 pm

AmVet @ 3:57
Here I corrected your comment. 

It never fails. Whenever you get a bunch of people together, they tend to act like flaming a**holes.

Jackie

March 17th, 2010
4:27 pm

If anyone would stop and “follow the money” relative to the Tea Party movement, the hypocrisy and lies would be evident. Those with money are manipulating those of us who do not have as much to give them more control over our lives.

The Tea Party movement is driven by the likes of Dick Armey. Even when he was in the House, his temperament was that of everyone else is stupid and too nice, let me show you how to be a S.O.B.

What sane, rational person would not want to have availability to heath care at a price they can afford?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:29 pm

Isn’t it funny that when I wanted to talk about the Washington DC school voucher program, and how individuals were being hurt by the ending of the DC voucher program, the liberals on here refused to consider a small group of individuals.

Now, look how quickly they associate a few people with an entire debate. Could the term “hate filled” be any more apparent in their rush to condemn everyone that doesn’t agree with the unadulterated garbage they are sold.

Mr. Goebbels, where ever you are, you have got to be smiling.

The Black Knight

March 17th, 2010
4:32 pm

The incident Jay Bookman highlighted, which started at .53 minutes, was between several able-bodied loud mouth bullies and an ill american with parkinsons who remained silent in the face of the taunts and threatening postures.

We’ll call the skirmish a draw.

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
4:32 pm

Night Train, thank you.

Listen up Democrats. THE problem with the HCR is that you do not cut deals with the criminals and screw ups you are trying to replace. They have got to go. The “free market” paper shufflers. The trillions of dollars of waste, fraud and corruption. The layers of mindless and incompetent bureaucracy. ALL of it.

And Republicans. forget them. They are happy to do diddly squat…

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:33 pm

Jay

So there was no cut because Congress defeated Obama’s bill, but then you say what percentage was cut.

Get your story straight and please come back and try again.

joan

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

Figures that SEIU would be FOR this abortion of a bill. They won’t have to pay for it. So, if you are union or on welfare, I understand why you want this bill passed. if you are not–then why on earth would you want to have something that is going to raise costs and taxes???

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

JDW – Fair Share?? What the h*ll does fair share mean exactly? I believe I paid more than my “fair share” 8 years military, put myself through school with jobs and loans, lost my job, took a part time job, went back to school, got another job. I support myself, my family, pay my bills on time, don’t owe on anything but the house now.. yet.. I am supposed to pony up for people that would (in some cases) rather have a new car, cell phone, cable, internet, etc, than pay for their own health insurance, which I have had to do before. Please explain to me how that is my fair share, in this dont blame me society, I have spent more money than I make and now I want a president to bail my dumba*s out..

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

Jay

What about the school loans, Pal.?

Nobody wants to talk about how the dims are trying to decide the fate of all private American schools. Afraid to bring up the real face of the fascist that you support?

You are pathetic.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

I suppose that’s the best you can do under the circumstances, Swamper. You got caught.

I stated what the proposed percentage cut would be.

The cut that never occurred.

Now you compound your deception with more attempted deception. Very weak.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
4:37 pm

AJC this morning. Fact check.

Media Matters also this morning. Debunked.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:40 pm

HDB,

You mean there’s a line of UNtruthfulness (maybe) coming from Republicans about Obama? Puhleeze….have you forgotten the last eight years of virulent “Bush did it!” and insults about every move he made? Now is not the time to act like sainthood has been instilled in liberals. It has NOT and never was..

Jewcowboy,

So this one video supposedly reveals the true conservative character. Really?

And the closed mind, brainwashed. switcheroo, socialistic opinions posted here reveal the true clarity of the liberal mind? Must be.

There’s a big picture out there and you better look at it. No narrow vision allowed.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:42 pm

I’ll probably get to that in the next day or two, Swamper. That should give you time to come up with a better story this time.

You do understand, of course, that the current program is already federally funded and controlled?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Jay

I had the meeting. They talked about Obama signing the bill. They said their contributions were down 60%. I think if you would get off your lazy liberal a** and check the numbers, most non-profits are down this year by similar percentages.

So go find something else to whine about, propagandist. The dims have not dumbed down American quite enough for your adolescent writings to impress all of us.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Yep.. those are some morons in that video.. could you imagine how spineless and lacking of character someone would be if they said the healthcare bill was a “boondoggle” and said no way would they vote for it, then turn around and say.. Gee thanks for that ride on Air Force one.. I will vote for it..

Del

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Can anyone really say in an objective non-biased manner that this gathering was all about conservatives acting like a**holes? From the brief clip it was noisy, however, it was a reasonably orderly assembly of folks with different views. The only exception was some foolish individual throwing dollars at a guy who may have been a pan handler. Didn’t see any violence in the video clip. Not too much political bias on this blog.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

jewcowboy,

I may have confused you with NGA, not that there’s much difference of opinion.. Same ol’ slanted stuff.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:45 pm

JAy

Thanks, dumb a** You posted again before I did. This time i copied it.

You are caught.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

GoingBroke, your Fair Share like anyone else’s is a tax burden commensurate with your earnings. Should you be one of the people lucky enough to be in the upper income tax brackets your fair share might increase somewhat as it should.

Take Warren Buffet for example, in 2007 Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/27/AR2007062700097.html

If however you are truly “GoingBroke” then your burden should decrease.

Bottom line is if you are one of the people that the US economic system benefits the most it is in your interest to pay your taxes and enable other people to bootstrap themselves as you have. Are there people that “game” the system and spend their money unwisely? Yes but not nearly so many as you imagine and not nearly enough to keep us from doing what is right.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

Dusty,

“So this one video supposedly reveals the true conservative character. Really?”

I know it is St. Paddy’s day and Harp is tasty, but if you are drinking enough to be delusional, please scale it back a bit. Where did I make a statement like that?

Citizen of the World

March 17th, 2010
4:49 pm

Narrow-minded people are like long-necked bottles. The less they have in them, the more noise it makes coming out.

That’s what all these yelling and screaming protesters remind me of. Unless they were chanting, in which case a loud voice is the norm. But to stand across the street and yell at one another, or to yell at some poor guy who has Parkinson’s, that’s just indicative of a narrow perspective and a defensive attitude.

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
4:49 pm

I think we’ve found the latest incarnation of LA.

Tick, tick, tick…

Duel in the Sun

March 17th, 2010
4:50 pm

One certain truth in the Bible is that violence begets violence. We are on a hundred year cycle for civil war, but, like a hundred year flood plain, it doesn’t occur in exactly 100 years. We are overdue for another civil war. The violence we needlessly propagated in Iraq may come home roost, as it is written it might.

Our revolution was a civil war. Our civil war was a civil war. Now, we face a growing number of malcontents who have been popping up every few years as a new entity who want to secede. They form seemingly harmless groups like the Tea Party, but in each iteration, they gain strength and support.

It’s only a matter of time. I’m glad I wasn’t present at this partisan protest because I would not have been able to resist taking off one of my gloves and slapping that fat head at .53 minutes in the face, challenging him to a duel.

America: Ask yourself this: What would Aaron Burr do?

This election cycle and a long hot summer are going to combine to make pure Nitro and it’s only going to take one slap to set it off.

Jackie

March 17th, 2010
4:51 pm

The hard facts about health care and all associated costs are difficult.
The current premium cost for a family of 4 is roughly $1,400 monthly.
It is estimated health care costs will rise from 18% of GDP to roughly 45% of GDP in the next decade.
How many of us can afford to pay roughly $5,200 monthly for health care?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:52 pm

A commenter on my Facebook page makes the following cogent observation in response to the above video:

“When they’re done trying to deny care to people who need it they can go back to complaining about “death panels.” All without the slightest hint of irony.”

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:52 pm

Dusty,

“I may have confused you with NGA, not that there’s much difference of opinion.. Same ol’ slanted stuff.”

Coming from someone as non-partisan as yourself, I shall consider that an apology, and I shall graciously accept it.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:53 pm

Caught at what, Swamper?

What vile crime have I committed?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:54 pm

Jay

When they START denying care to those who need it, then let’s change it.

At this point, the US government turns down more treatment for Medicare patients than the insurance companies. But you work for the paper and should already know that.

Del

March 17th, 2010
4:54 pm

Jay@4:52pm,

Cogent?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Don’t you think that the posters here should know that you can watch them writing before the post it?

Wouldn’t that be the decent thing to do?

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Well, I have received a great compliment. The moderator has struck again. That means I must be saying something right. Since Bookman is busy playing Truth or Consequences with Swamper (who?) I will let it sit in all its glory! Yes..

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:56 pm

And Swamper, I’m quite sure that donations are down considerably.

But they are NOT down because of a change in tax law, because that change never actually occurred. Those provisions are the same today as they were when Obama took office.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

Anytime, jewcowboy, any time.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

Hey Jay.. where is that blog you did on the Democrats beating up on people at a protest?

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

““When they’re done trying to deny care to people who need it they can go back to complaining about “death panels.” All without the slightest hint of irony.”

Or they can just go back to blathering on against “gay marriage” while holding signs about “freedom from gov’t tyranny” and “the erosion of liberty in the US.”

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:58 pm

Jay

I am not a tax attorney. I acquired a client that desperately needs my services. They are from all over the country and they are ALL furious with Obama. I just checked their website. They said they are down 60%, as I said that they SAID. They are actually down 38%, so they exaggerated.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:58 pm

Dusty, I see no sign of anything from you in moderation. Don’t know what’s up…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

Jay,

What color tie am I wearing?

jt

March 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

Southern Comfort-

I hope you didn’t think me rude. I didn’t dismiss you.

Like I said before, Your ATF “authority” and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee in Wyoming. That is all. Have your federal lawyers argue with the local sheriff.

And federal law does NOT trump state law. Hopefully, we won’t have to prove it.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

“And Swamper, I’m quite sure that donations are down considerably.

But they are NOT down because of a change in tax law, because that change never actually occurred. Those provisions are the same today as they were when Obama took office”

One of many…
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/economy/charity_donations/?postversion=2009021311

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

Now let’s go back to discussing the matter of the privacy of the posters that come to this blog.

Don’t you think that they should know that you can see what they are writing as they are writing it?

Would you want to know?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

Fine, Swamper.

But it’s NOT because of Obama, as you had claimed. The proper thing to do at this point is to acknowledge that fact.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

LOL, Jewcowboy, I never have figured out how imposing moral values on the rest of us squares with our right to individual liberty.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
5:03 pm

Swampy, if you did not know the guy that runs this blog or any website for that matter could see what you are doing as you do it, you desperately need technical training.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

JDW,

“I never have figured out how imposing moral values on the rest of us squares with our right to individual liberty.”

Cognitive dissonance?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

And for the record, I cannot watch what you’re typing. I’m no expert, but that would probably require installation of some kind of spyware on your computer, which would be a crime.

We cannot and would not ever do such a thing.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

The post was an answer to a poster, Mick claiming that only in Georgia were people so angry at Obama. I related an experience I had just last night where i met with people from several states and they were all mad at Obama. Now what about that should I “acknowledge”.

And you might want to read a little about the reasons why donations are down. Theres a recession going on which Obama profits from every day in continues. So Obama is directly responsible for the drop in contributions.

Nobody cares about Health Care except people just dumb enough to be impressed by your pathetic little video show. Look at the posts in response. Heil, Obama. you know exactly what it takes to stir up the great unwashed, don’t you?

When are you going to post stories about Ann Dunham dying? I don’t they are are quite angry enough yet.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

“And for the record, I cannot watch what you’re typing.”

But you are inside our minds at this very moment….MWUHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:07 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:07 pm

Jay Really?

So how are you responding to my posts before they are posted? That’s twice now.

And why did you delete the other one?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:08 pm

So the Parkinson’s man is a vote against health care, he does want help, right?

jt

March 17th, 2010
5:08 pm

Someone enabled those silly emoticons one time.

It took me forever to get them off.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
5:09 pm

JDW -
I don’t mind helping.. always have and always will.. I don’t like money being taken from my childrens hands and given to some ignorant idiot because all they want to do is wait for their turn at the handout table. Sorry.. I care greatly about my childrens future..

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
5:10 pm

jt

I did not perceive it rude at all. Nothing more than a disagreement. I was saying I was dismissed because the gist of our discussion was that I was on the wrong side of the argument. I didn’t perceive any animosity or rudeness. Most of the time, I can usually agree with your posts. I just don’t see any of those laws holding up in court. In fact, I think those laws are going to cause more confrontations and lead to unnecessary bloodshed.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:10 pm

jewcowboy

look at the post at 4:42 from Jay

It is a response to my post at 4:44.

If you have another explanation, I will be glad to listen.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
5:11 pm

OH I just love it.

WHAT WOULD AARON BURR DO?

Oh, this is more fun than my last water pistol fight. (Relax, libs, I have a permit.)

I now retire to cogitate on the greater nuances of life. That is: To Burr or not to Burr. That is the question.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:13 pm

Jewcowboy

i know that some people can type really fast, but fast enough to warp time?

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
5:15 pm

“i know that some people can type really fast, but fast enough to warp time?”

I dunno about typing.. but seeing how many texts my 15 and 16 year old can send in a month.. they have to be warping something!

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
5:17 pm

Jay,
Try 4:24. Still in moderation.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:17 pm

First, Swamper is being incomplete in his recollection. What he wrote is:

“I had a meeting last night with the heads of one of the biggest nonprofits in the country. They are dying. When Obama cut out the tax incentives for charitable giving, it cut out about 60% of their donations. They were from NYC, Washington State and California. The word they used all night was furious. Not upset. Not angry: furious.

This 70 year old non-profit is looking at it’s end. It has helped kids in primarily minority neighborhoods. So the democrats will be taking that away from Black People.

And the problem is that no such change in tax deductions ever occurred, meaning that it could not be responsible for the decline in deductions.

As to the posting times:

My 4:42 was NOT in response to Swamper’s 4:44; my ability to warp the time/space continuum is not yet that polished.

It was in response to his 4:35, regarding student loans.

Paranoia will destroy ya.

JohnnyReb

March 17th, 2010
5:19 pm

How can any of you libs stand up straight, look people in the eye and state you approve of the way the healthcare bill has moved through congress? The tactics have been and are so deplorable it should be round filed. Yes, Republicans have used similar tactics but not on bills of this magnitutude.

Watch Fox News at 6PM Eastern and you will hear Obama basically state no concern over the way the bill is passed. Very admirable, quite a guy. Don’t kid yourself, he is more concerned of his legacy than giving more people healthcare. After all, he has p*&&ed away a year on healthcare instead of more important matters.

It comes down to this, us on the right think the government is already too much in our lives. You on the left seem to be OK with the government deciding/controlling almost everything in your life. And, you do not care who pays for it. Remember, the government has no money, they take from one and give to others.

Lastly, there are too many entitlement programs now. We cannot sustain the debt. If the bill passes, we are headed to very difficult times.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:19 pm

Ah yes, that one Dusty. Matilda responded to you in a quite inappropriate fashion, so I pulled her comment. Out of an excess of caution I moderated yours as well, but I’ll go back and put it back up.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:20 pm

There seems to be an emotional desperation at work here. The legislative success of ObamaCare has become so tied up with Obama’s sense of himself that he feels he must push ahead–and to some extent, the leaders in Congress feel the same way. Obama is not the calm rationalist he seemed during the campaign. But while there’s a place for passion in politics, to be governed by a politician who fails to govern his passions is a frightening and creepy experience.-Taranto, WSJ

eeewwwwwwww, is what I like to say….

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:21 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF),

Just for the record I have seen my post responding to another person’s post on here show up time stamped supposedly before the other person wrote their comment. And a few minutes later it corrects itself.

I have no doubt there is a glitch sometimes with either the AJC servers or with the software they use, but I do seriously doubt Jay has the ability to read what you are typing before you type it.

If you choose to believe a scheme is afoot and your privacy is being despoiled, then I would suggest you refrain from posting on this site until you are sure your privacy is not being violated.

Jess

March 17th, 2010
5:22 pm

According to the New England Journal of Medicine up to 30% of the current practicing physicians may quit or retire if the current plan is passed.

jt

March 17th, 2010
5:23 pm

Southern Comfort-

Share your opinion on this.
The state of Montana is manufacturing rifles with “made in Montana” stamped upon them. Not to be sold anywhere but Montana. Because, the ATF uses the commerce clause to regulate firearms(among a thousand other things) , does this agency have the right to regulate these rifles?

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
5:27 pm

Well, thank you, Sir Jay, for restoring the honor of my post from the ravages of revenge. I shall burn a sweet candle to commemorate this occasion. Merci beaucoup.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:28 pm

JohnnyReb,

“How can any of you libs stand up straight, look people in the eye and state you approve of the way the healthcare bill has moved through congress?”

I will…

“Yes, Republicans have used similar tactics but not on bills of this magnitutude.”

Really? The 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were pushed through with reconciliation:

■Through fiscal year 2007, tax legislation enacted since 2001 has had a direct cost of $1.3 trillion, according to Joint Committee on Taxation and CBO estimates. Another $900 billion in direct costs will be incurred by 2018, even if the tax cuts expire as scheduled (and excluding the cost of the recently enacted stimulus legislation). ~ Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:30 pm

Jess,

“According to the New England Journal of Medicine up to 30% of the current practicing physicians may quit or retire if the current plan is passed.”

And there are many others waiting to take their place. I have 4 friends in either medical school or in their residencies. They have no plans to do anything other than to become doctors. I am sure they are not alone.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
5:32 pm

Aaron Burr actually acted to prevent a duel between James Monroe (Burr was his second) and Alexander Hamilton in 1797. Of course, seven years later in 1804, Burr and Hamilton fought their own duel with Burr coming out on top. Burr and Hamilton had been in political skirmishes dating back to 1791. History takes strange turns sometimes.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:33 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!,

Thanks so Dusty, I am now 101!

JohnnyReb

March 17th, 2010
5:33 pm

Jewcowboy – tax laws change, go up down and sideways. The healthcare bill is in a totally different category. If the bill passes, if it withstands the court challenges, and there is not another civil war, it will become just like Social Security. Never has anything of its weight and longivity been moved through Congress in this manner.

Liz O'Cali

March 17th, 2010
5:39 pm

All I know, after seeing this video, is that I won’t bother to put Ohio on my vacation list anytime soon. Granted, there are jerks everywhere, but the behavior exhibited by these so-called adults is beyond reprehensible. Why would I want to spend time and money in a place where the chronically ill are verbally spat upon and dehumanized by ignorant people? Perhaps they could have kicked him to death, so we could all be rid of this worthless human being!

To bad for Ohio…you are all guilty by association (however unfair that may seem).

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:40 pm

JohnnyReb,

“healthcare bill is in a totally different category.”

“it will become just like Social Security.”

Kinda like Medicare Part D?

Total expenditures 2008 – $49.3B
Projected net expenditures from 2009 through 2018 – $727.3B

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2009.pdf

And yeah, Republicans pushed that through with reconciliation.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:43 pm

WASHINGTON — Companies that hire unemployed workers will get a temporary payroll tax holiday under a bill that easily won congressional approval Wednesday in what Democrats hope is just the first of several election-year measures aimed at boosting hiring.

Aahhh, yes, a seldom seen triumph for the forlorn and reviled dummycrat party, another ghastly abomination spending away our children’s money and their children’s money, frittering away their future, applaud yourselves liberals, such “courage,” such foresight you have.

Just sayin….

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:43 pm

Jay

I’ll tell you what. If any of this will get you to explore and write an article on the reasons why the school loan program should be taken over by the government, giving a fair look at the possible effects, I’ll gladly retract anything I said about the meeting I had last night.

Nobody on the liberal media is talking about this 60,000 elephant in the room. That alone should be a red flag.

Schools, particular smaller schools live and die by who can get a loan to go to school. If you are convinced that the government would never overstep it’s boundaries and never make judgements on who gets loans based on the social stance of the school, then I would love to hear your explanation.

jt

March 17th, 2010
5:44 pm

And to this day I have never used an emticon except when I reference Micheale Bachman or Sarah Palin:-)~

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
5:44 pm

jt

If it is a private owner to private owner sale, there should be none. If it is a business to private owner sale, whether it is a business or person selling as a business, then they need an FFL to complete that sale. That is the “authority” I’m referring to since the FFL’s are issued thru the ATFE.

A second point could be that just because it’s sold in Montana doesn’t mean it will stay in Montana. That’s kinda off point of what I think you’re trying to say though.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:45 pm

Such a tough day frivolously spending other people’s money, bravo, take a bow.

getalife

March 17th, 2010
5:46 pm

They waved the white flag and could only draw around fifty to protest.

Where are they on financial reform?

No, of course,

Pathetic.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:46 pm

And the New England Journal said no such thing in the first place.

The email survey in question — conducted by nonscientific means — was done by a doctor-recruiting company; the firm wanted to send the message that if health care reform passes, its services in finding doctors would be much more in demand.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:47 pm

Hell, spend some more money and build a roadside monument to yourselves, make it a giant heart with hand in someone’s back pocket, lifting out their wallet, would be perfect next to the Stuckey’s in West Virginia, just sayin….

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
5:48 pm

jewcowboy, huhhhh??

You are 101? That’’s getting along. I thought you were sweet sixteen in the prime of your youth.

Oh yeah, you mean you lost first place at the TOP!! Ha! U no what they say: try try again!

Oh, drat, I think I burned the leftover spaghetti. Bye..

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
5:49 pm

Dusty,

My response to your withheld (and utterly racist)4:24 was moderated because I warned you a bit too strongly to stay away from me. I no longer write letters to the editor after being HARASSED AT MY HOME by my mouth-frothing, rightie neighbors after being published. So yes, I will defend myself against the ilk in this video, and if I’m not home, my vicious killer dog will take care of it for me.

md

March 17th, 2010
5:50 pm

Does this bill really matter?

With a 14 trillion dollar deficit going nowhere but up, I’m guessing we are headed toward quite a few more than 30 million without insurance. Probably without SS, medicaid, education, mail and a number of other “freebies” if the misfits don’t get their head out of their a**** sometime soon.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:50 pm

Swamp, if the government was inclined to do that with colleges, it could do so today.

The private companies run the program by strict federal rules and regulations. They do not determine which schools are eligible for aid; the federal government does. For example, the federal government drops schools from eligibility if their student default rate is too high. That is a decision the feds make, not the private companies.

You’ve been misled if you think otherwise.

getalife

March 17th, 2010
5:51 pm

“Oh, drat, I think I burned the leftover spaghetti. Bye..”

Always eating.

Are you that woman trying to break the record?

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
5:51 pm

“another ghastly abomination spending away our children’s money and their children’s money, frittering away their future”

But I’m willing to gather that if Republicans give employers a tax holiday it would be the best thing since sliced bread…

pat

March 17th, 2010
5:51 pm

JohnnyReb

March 17th, 2010
5:52 pm

Medicare D will look like chump change compared to the cost of ObamaCare. Keep looking for apples to apples, it is not there. Plus, just to add to the sparkling manner in which the Dems have moved the legislation, Obama stuck in student loans. Why, because he can’t get that passed either using conventional means. Real proud of him are you?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:52 pm

Liz O’Call

**All I know, after seeing this video, is that I won’t bother to put Ohio on my vacation list anytime soon.**

Is that all it took?

Do you ever watch Cops? I used to set and watch car chases go past places where I had eaten lunch, that same day in Cops. truTV gets it’s craziest stuff from Atlanta. Don’t you ever wonder what the rest of the world thinks about us?

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
5:53 pm

“According to the New England Journal of Medicine up to 30% of the current practicing physicians may quit or retire if the current plan is passed”

Wrong. That was not the NEJM…see here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201003170036

Now I have to wonder how many times we’re going to have to debunk THIS one?

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
5:53 pm

I’m sorry, jewcowboy, you are only 100. Did not mean to make you lose a year. Gone now!!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
5:53 pm

SoCo, jt

Not to intrude on y’alls discussion but my view is that the new laws will eventually go to the Supreme Court. One side will argue that the Federal Gov’t has the authority to regulate gun sales and the other side will argue that since this is Intrastate commerce and not Interstate (if the guns are manufactured and sold in the same state) that the Federal Gov’t doesn’t have the authority to regulate it. Anything can happen once it gets there.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:54 pm

Dusty,

“Oh yeah, you mean you lost first place at the TOP!! ”

No…thanks to your tenacity with Jay, I an NOW the first one at the top. Just call the burnt parts “blackening” and say you got the recipe from Emeril.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:55 pm

Basically, the current student loan system is a sweetheart system set up to let private companies skim a very nice profit off the loans while risking nothing — the loans are federally guaranteed — and doing very little.

This is one instance in which the government can do it much cheaper directly, with the savings used to fund more student loans instead of the bottom lines of private companies leeching off a government program.

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
5:55 pm

“Never has anything of its weight and longivity been moved through Congress in this manner.”

It takes courage to set a new precedent.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
5:57 pm

Bomb Sniffer- Why the touchy feely tax “cut” of hiring an unemployed worker? What other kind of worker is there that is seeking employment? Is this all too much for you dummycrats, this leadership thingie?

Besides which, um, us capitalists will fire the dullest of our current employees, replace them with a new dunce for 60 days and walla!, tax cut for the wealthy, hahahahahaha, suckeeeeeerrrrrrr!!

md

March 17th, 2010
5:58 pm

“It takes courage to set a new precedent.”

Or ignorance. Won’t know which for a few more years.

jt

March 17th, 2010
5:59 pm

Southern Comfort -

If there is no interstate commerce, there doesn’t need to be any FFL. This is a lawsuit waiting for a plaintiff.

The FEDS claim authority over pot smoking and growing through the interstate commerce clause. The FEDS claim that no one can tell the difference between the dank grown in California or the homegrown grown in Kentucky, hence the stuff COULD be “inter-state”, hence the commerce clause.

How will they make this arguement with a firearm stamped with “made in Montana”? I guess we will find out. Montana will probably just ignore the federalies like some states have done with the reefer issue.

And with the possibility of bloodshed, you will be alright. Your duties are one of the FEW enumerated tasks called for in our constitution.(borders).

jt

March 17th, 2010
6:00 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe -

You are correct sir.

But the feds never relinquish authority easily.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
6:00 pm

JohnnyReb,

“Why, because he can’t get that passed either using conventional means. ”

Why couldn’t Bush get legislation passed without reconciliation? I think it speaks more too both parties in Congress rather than whomever is in the White House at any given time. The lack of Congress having consensus builders on either side of the aisle and 24 hour echo chamber of cable news is, in my opinion, the real reason needed legislation is not being passed.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
6:01 pm

Only because the AJC chooses to lose One Million dollars a week, do I let the comment about “leeching” slide, just sayin….

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
6:04 pm

Anyway, I am off to raise a toast of cheer to St. Patrick with a tipple of Jameson. Good evening to you all.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:05 pm

I would just like to be around long enough to hear historians have to admit this is where it all started ……….. the decline of a once great Republic.

Maybe our great, great grandchildren will have the guts to start a second American revolution and begin all over again. Time will tell.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:10 pm

Scout, wouldn’t you rather be around long enough to see that it worked, and that the country became even stronger and more prosperous as a result?

Wouldn’t THAT make you happier?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
6:11 pm

Jay

I understand the economics. That’s not the point. Since when is economics important to a liberally sponsored bill?

It’s the control that the government will have over which students going to which schools. I’m not the only one that is worried about this, Jay. It’s a real concern.

Don’t you ever wonder why almost every single thing this administration is pushing through will give the government unprecedented control of private parts of our country? Doesn’t this bother you in any way? Do you really want, need, the government to be deciding where your children will go to school?

I am more than willing to listen to any explanation that would actually address the concerns.

I don’t expect anything because I don’t think that you or any other liberal has a clue as how to explain this government takeover of yet another sector of our country.

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
6:11 pm

Scout, really? The “decline of a once great Republic” started when, exactly? And while you’re schooling us in our own history, what year would you pinpoint as our pinnacle? And how exactly will you advocate for the overthrow of the nation you once wore a uniform to defend?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:13 pm

Again, Swamper, the government already has that power. The private companies don’t decide which schools get approved; federal rules and regulations determine that.

So the terrible change that has you so horrified is actually no change whatsoever. You’ve been misled.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
6:14 pm

Wow, I’ll bet that when the new “jobs” bill hits the street, the earth will tremble and the skies will part, raining honey down from the heavens on us, oh yeah, I can’t wait.

Either that or Moody’s will downgrade our bond rating, I forget which it is…

jt

March 17th, 2010
6:15 pm

“approved; federal rules and regulations determine that.”

Hence our terrible decline.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:15 pm

Jay:

If it were true ……….. but it won’t be.

This is all about power, controlling every aspect of our lives and sealing those future votes. Liberals are like Midas except everything they touch turns not to gold but to a quest for power ……….. and we all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

How about that New York thing where they don’t want chefs using salt …………….. go liberals go !!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
6:17 pm

We are governed the stupidest, most decrepit rulers in all of the recorded history of mankind, just sayin….

You watch, before summer is out, and they have already hinted, they will be askin…..how we gonna pay fer all this, duh?

Ignorance reigns supreme, and it is called obozo.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
6:19 pm

Jay

Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123566428388983701.html

“It is unclear whether the government’s move will affect students’ access to loans.”

So it’s not as clear cut as you would like to claim.

“Terry Hartle, a senior vice president of the American Council on Education, a trade group, said a move to all-government lending would be “one of the biggest changes in the history of federal aid to college students.”

So according to someone who knows more about it than you or I, it’s the biggest change to ever happen to student loans.

You can’t blow this off. This is a huge change. I am not as informed as I would like to be or will be, but at this point, the case is far from closed.

MrUniteUs

March 17th, 2010
6:21 pm

Recall when Limbaugh made fun Michael J. Fox having Parkinson’s disease.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o6yrdInw6s

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:21 pm

What system would you prefer, jt?

Would you prefer that the federal government apply no rules and regulations to federally guaranteed student loans? Doesn’t sound too wise to me, personally. Sounds like a guarantee of big trouble.

More likely, you’d prefer that federally guaranteed student loans didn’t exist in the first place. As a matter of principle, I can respect that. As a matter of practicality, I could not. I worked and paid my own way through college, doing everything from factory and construction work to flipping burgers, but without those student loans, I never would have made it.

Multiply that experience by millions in the years since then, and we’d be a much less educated and prosperous nation.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:23 pm

Matilda @ 6:11:

Very good questions. Thanks for the opportunity ……….

1) I once read a very good article (graphs and everything) that pretty much pinpointed America at its pinnacle. After that, the economy, decline of the family, the drug culture, the Vietnam debacle, etc., etc., etc. began. I forget the exact year but I think it was about 1962 or 1963 …….. whatever year it was, it was the same year that the Supreme Court threw prayer out of the public schools. To me it’s like God said, “you don’t need Me? Fine. Try it on your own for awhile”. Just my opinion ………. make fun if you like.

2) I have taken the “oath” four different times. Once in the military and once each for three different Federal law enforcement agencies. Each time the oath was not to the President, the Congress, the Supreme Court or even the American poeple. No, it was to the CONSTITUTION. I swore and oath to defend the Constitution and once that is being trampled on I have the right and the Duty to physically defend it if necessary.

May I remind you that George Washington once wore the uniform of the Crown …………… who he swore allegiance to. When betrayed by that King ………. he was free to wear a new uniform.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:27 pm

Swamper, the story you cite makes two interesting points:

“Under a plan unveiled in the administration’s budget, subsidies to private lenders would be eliminated, and the government would use the savings estimated at $47.5 billion over the next decade to help bolster the Pell grant program for low-income students.”

And:

“But the private-sector’s arguments have been undercut recently by scandals in which schools were being given kickbacks to favor certain lenders—and by a credit crunch so withering that the federal government has had to buy some of banks’ existing student loans to keep the loans flowing.”

It says NOTHING about the federal government gaining new authority to decide which schools or students get loans, because the government has had that power all along. The private companies merely ADMINISTER the program; they make no decisions about who should be eligible, etc.

If you’ve been told otherwise, you have been misled and ought to be angry at those who misled you.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
6:27 pm

Hey, Happy St. Pat’s Day! Any call to dismantle the British settlements in Occupied Ulster? Erin Go Bragh! :-)

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
6:28 pm

Scout, thanks for your honesty. Things began to go steadily downhill when I showed up. ;-) Thanks. I understand your oath is to the Constitution. That was your voice I heard, then, protesting loudly when President Bush and (the real President) Cheney were wiping their behinds with it. (I know, I know, they CLAIMED to be on God’s side, but we all know that’s Satan’s most common trick.) Glad you’re there for us! Carry on, and God bless.

larry

March 17th, 2010
6:28 pm

how we gonna pay fer all this, duh? I wonder if that was asked as we passed two tax cuts and started two wars within five years? , i doubt it.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
6:30 pm

Scout

Now they are going to go after you on this because of the Civil Rights Movement pretty much starting in the years that you claim to be the pinnacle. And of course, that’s the American contradiction. While many African Americans have rightly obtained the successes and status that Dr. King died for, the demographic as a whole, has declined horribly.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:32 pm

P.S. to Matilda:

I saw a bumper sticker once that makes a good point:

“Too late for the ballot box – too early for the revolution”.

Now, personally I don’t think we are there yet and probably won’t be in my lifetime due to my age. I still believe in the ballot box even when I lose.

But ………….. there will come a day when this quest for power will so corrupt some future president or Congress that they will TRAMPLE on one or more of our fundamental Constitutional rights. They may use a real or perceived crisis as an excuse to do so.

At “that” time we will see what real Americans are made of …………………………

jt

March 17th, 2010
6:33 pm

What system would you prefer, jt?

The private system.

Federal involvement , and to a certain extent, state involvement through the lottery, has only inflated
college cost. My first year at USC was paid out of pocket and wasn’t even that expensive. A poor person couldn’t do that now.
To have an education system synonymous with a federal loan is as tragic as health-care being synonymous with insurance.
It doesn’t have to be this way. Alot of middle-men are skimming off our wealth. Mostly government middlemen.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
6:33 pm

jt

If it is manufactured and the company tries to sell it as a person to person sale, then you’ve got my vote. However, isn’t an FFL required to sell as a business regardless to whether it’s inter or intra state? If not, then they may have a good case indeed. I’m not the best at gun laws. I can tell you a good deal about immigration and some things about customs laws, but that’s about where I draw the line.

TaxPayer

March 17th, 2010
6:34 pm

Jay found a sneaky way to get that bagged tea descriptor back in the mix. Good show. There were some real jerks showing their stuff in that video. I’m glad that I did not recognize any of them as acquaintances.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:35 pm

The private system would never give loans to poor college students without collateral, jt. That’s why the federal system was created in the first place.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
6:36 pm

“Oh, drat, I think I burned the leftover spaghetti. Bye..”

Always eating.

Well, like my Hero President Reagan said, there you go again. Making Sister Dusty sound like a glutton. Everybody waddles a little, except the stringbeans that live on celery and such. Sister Dusty ain’t much bigger than the missus, and she’s only 347 lbs. now thanks to a diet. The missus, I mean. Anyhow, let’s get back to talking about how Obama is putting all the charities out of business and ruining student loans.

Have a good night everybody. I’m kind of tired from all that work the fellow said I don’t do.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:36 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF):

Exactly.

Matilda:

I know you don’t remember (I was even using another handle at the time) but I nailed Bush many times during his tenure for things I thought he was wrong on ………. immigration policy for one.

I am not a Democrat or a Republican. I am a conservative and I call ‘em like I see ‘em.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:37 pm

P.S.S. to Matilda:

You never answered me about old George Washington. Was he right or wrong ??

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
6:37 pm

“There is a higher law than the Constitution.” –Abraham Lincoln

That is where the decline of the once great Republic began.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
6:37 pm

JAy

**If you’ve been told otherwise, you have been misled and ought to be angry at those who misled you.**

Actually I was told exactly that in the same article.

“It is unclear whether the government’s move will affect students’ access to loans.”

They are changing the laws, Jay. Has this congress “altered” anything so far without completely tearing it down? Has this congress made a single move that didn’t give them more and more control?

Again, I’m not the only one noticing this. Your answer keeps involving trust in this government that they will do the right thing, but they won’t even do the right thing in public. I’ve been looking for an hour to just find the section of the bill that proposes this. Can you find it? I can’t.

They are going to pass this on Saturday night and we are going to spend the next ten years finding out how many ways that we have allowed the government to scr**w us.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:40 pm

josef nix:

Wise words my friend.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
6:41 pm

JAy

No one is saying that we shouldn’t have student loans. Stocks in the loan companies went through the floor when this was announced, so apparently this damages those institutions, so the inverse is that granting these loans are good business.

The question, like everything else is WHY NOW. WHY THE BIGGEST OVERHAUL YET AGAIN IN ANOTHER PRIVATE SECTOR CONNECTION WITH THE GOVERNMENT? Why change it. it works.

River

March 17th, 2010
6:42 pm

as a person with a disability, this saddens and disgusts me. But I have to say I’m not surprised, people are so rude and mean at times, it used to be they were kind and supportive, but not anymore. It’s “me,me,me” to hell with you. When you’re disabled, you learn what “togetherness” means. You rely on the kindness of others to get you through the day, lucky for me there are many kind people in my life that help me. Not to mention the retirement disability that I worked to earn and Medicare the best government healthcare money can buy. I wish everyone could benefit from Medicare.

TaxPayer

March 17th, 2010
6:43 pm

I saw Tom Price in the news today. That guy is a real character. He talked as though he still has some credibility even though Obama wiped the floor with his hairpiece on C-Span for the entire nation to see. Tom Price is only embarrassing himself more every times he moves his lips.

jt

March 17th, 2010
6:45 pm

Jay -

Some of the best Black colleges in the world were founded in Atlanta.

In the day, the poor folks all across the south needed no federal loans to attend.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
6:45 pm

River

**I wish everyone could benefit from Medicare.**

So do I. But this bill takes away medicare from people making between 14,000 and 19,000 and gives them medicaid, a really crappy, substandard system.

Soothsayer

March 17th, 2010
6:46 pm

The sad truth is that there is essentially no profit in helping people stay healthy and immense profit in managing their chronic diseases. Yes, “defensive medicine” (ordering needless tests and medications by the boatload to fend off future lawsuits) is a factor, and so is the insanity of paperwork (by some estimates, 40% of the entire $2.4 trillion sickcare system is squandered on paperwork and fraud).

But we have to face the reality that the system incentivizes chronic illness (the fee-for-service model) and a growing multitude of questionable tests, drugs and procedures and offers radically perverse disincentives for helping people stay healthy. There is literally no way to charge a fat fee-for-service for helping people stay healthy.

A large number of healthcare professionals (RNs and physicians) read this blog (I am not sure why, but I am honored by their readership and insights). Thus I am aware of the “dirty little secret” known to healthcare professionals: the standard-issue American patient takes little to no responsibility for their own health. They demand a prescription for the medication they saw advertised every half-hour on TV, they want an antibiotic for their cold, even after being told viruses do not respond to antibiotics, they resist stopping smoking, entering AA to address their alcoholism, etc.

So what does this “healthcare reform” do to increase the level of knowledge and responsibility required of a free people? Nothing.

There is only one thing we know for sure about the U.S. sickcare system, “reformed” in this fashion: it will bankrupt the nation within the decade.

The truly sad thing is that it doesn’t feel good to eat unhealthy food and sit around in unfit torpor; chronic diseases are terrible burdens, and people are needlessly losing years off their lives. The sad thing is that this “reform” by the Powers That Be is a mere simulacrum, an elaborate facsimile of the real reform we need to not just lower costs but improve the health of the nation’s citizens. Shouldn’t that be the goal?

Scout

March 17th, 2010
6:48 pm

Matilda:

Since you won’t answer my 6:37 question to you, I will do it for you:

George Washington was right because we won. Had we lost, he would have been hung and you probably would never even have heard of him during your “Commonwealth History” classes.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:50 pm

That sentence doesn’t mean what you want to believe it means, Swamper.

Go to Google and find one reputable source that reports that as a result of this change, the federal government will suddenly be able to control which schools get loans and which cannot.

That was your original claim, Swamper. That was your fear. And it is blatantly, completely unfounded, and you can offer no documentation for it. The government already has that power and has had it throughout the entire history of this program going back to the ’60s.

You are flinging baloney again, just as you were with the charitable tax deduction. You are grasping at anything that will justify your paranoia about this administration, and in your grasping you don’t seem to care even a whit whether it is actually true.

It boggles my mind to see people do that.

I also see that you did not apologize for calling me pathetic regarding the alleged peeking into your computer. I had taken you for a better man than that.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
6:53 pm

Scout–
You and I probably disagree at a philosophical level on just about any issue that comes to the fore, but on one thing we are of the same mind…the Constitution. A lot of the didactic memo readers just love to define what a “true American” is. We are unique in the world in that we are a nation founded not on race, religion, or language, but on an “ideal,” that ideal being the Constitution, a document, a piece of paper, but the definition of who we are as a people. Whenever we go tinkering with that, we are tinkering with our very identity. The framers were wise enough to see that document had to be able to reflect the growth and change of the society, but they also warned against it’s amendment for frivolous and political fashions…

Paul

March 17th, 2010
6:53 pm

That clip made me proud of the cherished American right of freedom of speech.

And rather nauseated at how some Americans choose to exercise it.

Good evening, SoCom – and thanks for the compliment earlier. I’ll take’em however I can.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
6:54 pm

Actually, you called me pathetic regarding the student loan question, which I believe I have handled adequately here.

Headed out.

Paul

March 17th, 2010
6:58 pm

Have a pleasant evening, Jay -

TGT

March 17th, 2010
7:00 pm

The truth is that the church (Christian), especially in the U.S., has been caring for individuals such as the gentleman with Parkinson’s for centuries. (Though, admittedly, more could and should be done.) Individuals, churches, organizations such as the Salvation Army, Catholic Charities, Habitat for Humanity, and private Christian hospitals, have in the name of Jesus, done more for folks like this man than the government ever can or will do. And this despite the trillions of dollars spent (or allocated) in only the last 60-70 years by the U.S. government to “help” such people.

The tragic fact is that secular government the world over, lead by all varieties of men, (who knows if you’ll get a Bush, Obama, Hitler, Stalin, Chavez, etc.) have, either by direct force or indirect ambivalence (”rationing,” etc.), sentenced untold millions of people such as the gentlemen in the video to death. When you have the power of the military, police, treasury, etc. behind you, who will stop you?

Tyranny doth never prosper–because if it does, none dare call it tyranny.

F. Sinkwich

March 17th, 2010
7:01 pm

Uh, just an insensitive comment here (what conservatives are famous for — at least according to the MSM): Did anybody vet this guy with the problem?

This is typical ACORN.

Read Saul L.

Didn’t think so. He’s got a sob story, must be true.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
7:02 pm

josef:

Yes, my friend we agree on the Constitution and I agree with your wise words regarding who we are as a people. I think I have sent this to you before. Your thoughts ?

“If in the opinion of the People, the distribution or modification of the Constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.” George Washington

In my opinion, we are well into the process of doing exactly what Washington warned against …….. destroying our free government via usurpation !

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
7:03 pm

PAUL–
You’re here…got that post from the a.m. We do have our ways of getting around the memo writers. Call it cultural diversity and go for it! :-)

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
7:03 pm

Paul

You are one of a few here that carry a non-partisan tone. You go from side to side, but I see that more in being a moderate as opposed to being on either end of the spectrum.

F. Sinkwich

March 17th, 2010
7:04 pm

I say it’s Bulls*tt.

Prove me wrong?

He’s a member of SEIU.

Prove me wrong?

Didn’t think so.

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
7:06 pm

F. Sinkwich – are you related to NIF?

“He’s a member of SEIU. Prove me wrong? Didn’t think so”

You’ve been around here long enough to know it doesn’t work that way. YOU prove he IS a member of SEIU. Go ahead, unlike you, we’re willling to give you a reasonable amount of time to do it.

River

March 17th, 2010
7:07 pm

I’ve never had a church offer me assistance. Where do I go sign up for that?

Paul

March 17th, 2010
7:09 pm

SoCom

It depends on the issue. Sometimes I’m taking a stand. Sometimes I like to state an argument just to see if some good counterarguments or points of view I hadn’t considered might be made. Sometimes (like with the ‘poll’ I cited this morning) I see a flaw in the argument and wonder if others see it, too. And sometimes…. well heck, sometimes I just like to bug people!

good evening, josef nix!

Just went to see Percy Jackson and the Olympians. I needed a break -

jt

March 17th, 2010
7:09 pm

Jay, and whoever else looks to government for their answers, should brush up on their Koestler.

“Darkness at Noon” would be a good start. “A Time for Longing” would be good too. They had all of the answers, if you survived.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
7:12 pm

Just a pop in between Jameson’s -

F. Sinkwich,

Its interesting that your ire goes to whether the man in the street is who he says he is, rather than the deplorable actions of those verbally attacking him; not on whether he has Parkinson,but instead thinking he is asking for a handout.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
7:13 pm

A spokesman for Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli II (R) said this afternoon that Virginia will file suit against the federal government if the Democratic health care reform bill is approved by the U.S. Congress.

Virginia is for lovers, baby!

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
7:15 pm

Back in the day, the Historically Black Colleges were all that the Blacks could attend, whether poor or not. They used to get assisstance from religious and other charitable organizations. As they tried to mondernize and keep up with the times, they had to turn to federal assistance. This was, in part, because they were either private schools or they were state-funded institutions that were not funded equally to their traditional counterparts.

One case that I’m familiar with as far as the funding is Knight vs. the State of Alabama. If you want some info on it, you can look here: http://www.knightsims.com/index.html

Because of that suit, Alabama St. and Alabama A&M got more funding, but at the same time, minority (white) students got free educations by way of full minority scholarships. It ended being a win-win situation as the schools are more diverse and offer more degree programs.

TGT

March 17th, 2010
7:17 pm

River: “In 2007 there were 4897 hospitals in the US [Kaiser Family Foundation data]. Of these some 1230 were Christian hospitals [projected from US Conference of Catholic Bishops data of 615 Catholic hospitals in the US in 2006].”

That’s about 25%–and that’s only the hospitals. Chances are you, or at least many that you know, were aided by the church and perhaps didn’t even know it.

TaxPayer

March 17th, 2010
7:20 pm

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
7:21 pm

Scout–
When I was in the 5th grade, our curriculum spent almost half the year on the Constitution. The curriculum today, and you ought to see the objectives as set by the state, spends less than three weeks on the Revolution and the Constitution of the republic. We were taught that quote by Washington as a warning of what could happen if we permitted usurption. Instead of a pledge of allegiance to the CONSTITUTION of the United States of America, we have a pledge to a flag.

One of the most fascinating people in American History to me is Congressman Philip Phillips for just this reason. He was able more than any before or since to make that clear distinction between what he believed at the personal philosophical level and what the Constitution said. The first, as he said, was who we are as individuals, the second who we are as a nation and we must be clear when discussing the issues of the day as to which is which…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
7:21 pm

TGT @ 7.17,

And an even greater chance that River was not helped by one of them.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
7:27 pm

jt–

Koestler, eh? One of my heroes and I do wonder what Jay makes of him. I’m sure he’s read him since, as I sometimes have to remind him, he is a widely read man of some educational sophistication and erudition…he just has blind spots…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
7:27 pm

Can Republicans win election this fall by campaigning to repeal the health-care legislation now nearing passage in Congress?

Even as House Democrats search for the votes to send the bill to President Obama, dozens of Republican lawmakers and candidates have signed a pledge to back an effort to repeal the bill, should the GOP take control of either house of Congress after this fall’s elections.

Republicans rock!

F. Sinkwich

March 17th, 2010
7:28 pm

Uh, jewcowboy, yep, someone who needs that kind of help shows up at a Tea Party rally looking for assistance, not a photo-op.

Here’s a quarter, buy a clue.

jt

March 17th, 2010
7:31 pm

Southern Comfort

“they had to turn to federal assistance”

No, they did not……but …….who can resist free money.

For over a hundred years these students did good without federal assistance. To say they HAD to turn to federal assistance is like saying we HAD to implement medicare.

For over a hundred years, poor students attended Morehouse through hard work and charity or cash. When they graduated they were free to pursue their respective carreers.
Now, probably 95% of the students that graduate are still free to pursue their respective carreers as long as they re-pay the FEDs on average of about 60,000 dollars.
In effect, the FEDS own them.

Paul

March 17th, 2010
7:31 pm

Just clicked on the DVR – Pres Obama appeared on the Fox evening hard news show with Bret Baier (sp?). It rebroadcasts at, I think 4am Atlanta time.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
7:34 pm

River–
Each faith operates a wide range of social services available to the greater community, though oriented to the needs of their particular brand…as a disabled individual, the social worker at the organization charged with/dedicated to your particular disability can provide you with a list of those resources…

jt

March 17th, 2010
7:39 pm

josef nix -

I’m glad that you know of Koestler. Jay should know him in that he was a journalist too.

I got a kick out of reading about the Free Commenwealth (what the USSR was named for about 5 years) discussing what the good citizens could do to change the climate in 1950. They took this seriously. In 1950.

The more things change…………………..

The individual will always prevail against the state. It just gets messy sometimes in between.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
7:41 pm

theboogins

March 17th, 2010
7:42 pm

Only “teabagger” I know of is Barney Frank.

Curious Observer

March 17th, 2010
7:43 pm

Did anybody vet this guy with the problem?

What in the name of all that’s holy does that have to do with how this man was treated, Sinkwich? Did you or did you not see the video? Is this the way one human being treats another? Is it the attitude toward the sick that Christians are supposed to have?

I once questioned your intelligence. Now I don’t have to do so any more.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
7:49 pm

jt

If those schools wished to remain small antiquated colleges, they could have gone without any additional financial assistance. I don’t think there’s any charity now that can adequately fund a school. Even the private schools have funding from somewhere. That funding is either in the form of student loans, pell grants, or scholarships. As the cost of attending college increased, there had to be a way to make it to where those poor students could afford to go to college. If you know your history well, as I know you do from reading your posts, the states where these colleges were located were the least bit interested in funding them at all.

Check this story out. It gives a brief view on the costs of HBCU’s vs. traditional schools.

http://www.usnews.com/education/paying-for-college/articles/2009/12/15/study-hbcus-offer-low-tuition.html

If you want to see how much it actually costs, here’s U.S. News & World Reports rankings. The first 9 are all private institutions. Check the change in tuition costs once you get to #10.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/hbcu-rankings

When I started school at Alabama St., tuition was $900 a semester for in-state students and around #1800 for out-of-state students. That was in 1991. Now, tuition is over $5000 per semester for in-state students.

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
7:52 pm

“I once questioned your intelligence”

I don’t think it has anything to do with intelligence…but it does speak volumes about his level of compassion. There’s just something not right in someone who sees another person with a weakness and who finds that weakness something to sneer at.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
7:52 pm

dB

Are you sure they’re Earl Grey? That would imply a bit of sophistication. That video appeared to be of the plain old Orange Pekoe variety.

Proud American

March 17th, 2010
7:54 pm

I read a few comments and came to the conclusion people don’t see the true problem. We should not be criticizing each other, this should be a wake up call to America. This is Obama’s plan to destroy our great country, he lied during the campaign and he continues to lie and tear us apart. He has surrounded himself with his goons along with Pelosi and Reed and they are systematicly moving us to ruin.
We look at a two minute video and wonder why. Why did we not ask the Democrats in congress why they locked the Republicans out debate, or ask Obama why he would not allow CSPAN to film the debates as he promised, or ask those Democrat congressmen and senators who told their constituents to shut up and sit, just who in the hell they think they are, or ask your representative to explain the bill before they vote on it, or why some states will receive special tax exemptions, or why the Union’s will get their special deals, or ask who will pay for those states and Union sweetheart deals ?
Mad, hell yes I’m mad.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
7:54 pm

*not scholarships… Meant to say private donations…

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
7:55 pm

JT
My favorite Koestler is..

“The creativity and pathology of the human mind are, after all, two sides of the same medal coined in the evolutionary mint. The first is responsible for the splendour of our cathedrals, the second for the gargoyles that decorate them to remind us that the world is full of monsters, devils, and succubi
It all serves to point out that in its ascent to prominence something has gone wrong.”

obs

March 17th, 2010
7:56 pm

“it’s going to put small businesses out of work”. Interesting analysis for someone claiming they can’t understand the bill? So does she, or doesn’t she understand it? No matter; she’s being duplicitous either way.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
7:57 pm

Proud American,

Plan to destroy America? Really?

Sheesh! What shack in Montana do these people come from?

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
7:57 pm

“We should not be criticizing each other, this should be a wake up call to America. This is Obama’s plan to destroy our great country, ”

Ummm…If you’re going to be critical of those who criticize, did you HAVE to be critical in the very NEXT sentence?

M Percy

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

If you believe that ObamaCare will reduce premiums, prevent emergency room visits, or any of the other claims, you should strongly consider the result of RomneyCare in Massachusetts.

Per online wsj com/article/SB10001424052748703625304575115691871093652.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

Both have an individual mandate requiring most residents to have health insurance or pay a penalty. Most businesses are required to participate or pay a fine. Both rely on government-designed purchasing exchanges that also provide a platform to control private health insurance. Many of the uninsured are covered through Medicaid expansion and others receive subsidies for highly-prescriptive policies. And the apparatus requires a plethora of new government boards and agencies.

Mr. Romney’s promise that getting everyone covered would force costs down also is far from being realized. One third of state residents polled by Harvard researchers in a study published in “Health Affairs” in 2008 said that their health costs had gone up as a result of the 2006 reforms. A typical family of four today faces total annual health costs of nearly $13,788, the highest in the country. Per capita spending is 27% higher than the national average.

Further, insurance companies are required to sell “just-in-time” policies even if people wait until they are sick to buy coverage. That’s just like the Obama plan. There is growing evidence that many people are gaming the system by purchasing health insurance when they need surgery or other expensive medical care, then dropping it a few months later.

Fifty-six percent of Massachusetts internal medicine physicians no longer are accepting new patients, according to a 2009 physician work-force study conducted by the Massachusetts Medical Society. For new patients who do get an appointment with a primary-care doctor, the average waiting time is 44 days, the Medical Society found.

The difficulties in getting primary care have led to an increasing number of patients who rely on emergency rooms for basic medical services. Emergency room visits jumped 7% between 2005 and 2007. Officials have determined that half of those added ER visits didn’t actually require immediate treatment and could have been dealt with at a doctor’s office—if patients could have found one.

Faced with soaring medical expenses, Gov. Deval Patrick, Mr. Romney’s successor, wants to cap insurance rate increases at 4.8%, not the 8% to 32% increases the companies have requested for April 1. Three of the four major health insurers in Massachusetts showed operating losses for 2009. If their rates are capped, they say they’ll be forced to cut payments to health providers, putting further pressure on doctors and fragile hospitals.

Proud American

March 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

jewcowboy keep drinking the kool-ade.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

Doggone

I made up my mind I wasn’t going to talk about that. It was way, way too obvious.

Proud American

March 17th, 2010
8:05 pm

Doggone
I ‘m JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE THE REAL PROBLEM.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
8:08 pm

BOISE, Idaho — Idaho took the lead in a growing, nationwide fight against health care overhaul Wednesday when its governor became the first to sign a measure requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government if residents are forced to buy health insurance.

Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states.

Hot damn, America, I love you!

Just saying!

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
8:08 pm

jewcowboy and proud american–

As y’all may know, I’m no fan of Ima Gonna Fierce Advocate, but to accuse him of a plan to destroy America is, in my opinion, stepping into dangerous territory.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
8:08 pm

Sinkwich: Uh, jewcowboy, yep, someone who needs that kind of help shows up at a Tea Party rally looking for assistance, not a photo-op.

Aren’t you the guy who believed in the yuppie pimp (James O’Keefe) slash ACORN fallout? I wonder what ever happened to that……..hmmmm…….

Last December, former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger, commissioned by ACORN to independently review the facts surrounding the scandal, released his findings. Highly critical of ACORN and its employees, Harshbarger nonetheless concluded the undercover sting did not catch any employees breaking the law.

Harshbarger also shed light on the controversial videos, noting that portions had been “substantially” edited, including some voice overdubbing. And because O’Keefe and Breitbart refuse to let any outside observers — including journalists — view the full collection of unedited tapes, it’s impossible to tell just how significantly the tapes were manipulated prior to their release.

This was another key, albeit mostly overlooked, finding from the report:

Although Mr. O’Keefe appeared in all videos dressed as a pimp, in fact, when he appeared at each and every office, he was dressed like a college student — in slacks and a button down shirt.

It’s worth nothing that if O’Keefe and Breitbart wanted to rebut Harshbarger’s damaging claim about the lack of pimp costume — a narrative both men worked hard to prop up last year — it’s logical they would release clips to disprove Harshbarger’s finding. They would release a video that showed O’Keefe clearly dressed outlandishly as a pimp while sitting inside ACORN offices. But two months after the release of Harshbarger’s report, Breitbart and O’Keefe have not done that.

jt

March 17th, 2010
8:09 pm

Southern Comfort -

Good links and info but,

You must ask yourself………..

why did cost increase so much?

It is the same reason our medical care has.

The law of unintentional consequences.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
8:10 pm

Proud American,

You as well, just cut down on the sugar.

M Percy

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

JDW re: reconciliation

All those examples are wholy within the scope of the reconciliation process.

A reconciliation bill is one containing changes in law recommended pursuant to reconciliation instructions in a budget resolution. If the instructions pertain to only one committee in a chamber, that committee reports the reconciliation bill. If the instructions pertain to more than one committee, the House Budget Committee reports an omnibus reconciliation bill, but it may not make substantive changes in the recommendations of the other committees.

Reconciliation generally involves legislation that changes the budget deficit (or conceivably, the surplus). The “Byrd Rule” (2 U.S.C. § 644, named after Democratic Senator Robert Byrd) was adopted in 1985 and amended in 1990 to outline which provisions reconciliation can and cannot be used for. The Byrd Rule defines a provision to be “extraneous” (and therefore ineligible for reconciliation) in six cases:

1. if it does not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
2. if it produces an outlay increase or revenue decrease when the instructed committee is not in compliance with its instructions;
3. if it is outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
4. if it produces a change in outlays or revenues which is merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
5. if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure, though the provisions in question may receive an exception if they in total in a Title of the measure net to a reduction in the deficit; and
6. if it recommends changes in Social Security.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

josef

Did ya show your colleagues your new site?

DDR

Long time, no see!!!!

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:11 pm

Jay, thanks for keeping up the punches to the opponents who have probably never worked a day in their lives.

“What is healthcare? Hand me another martini, James….Oh, it’s so hard to play cricket in this Georgia sun.”"

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
8:12 pm

josef: Each faith operates a wide range of social services available to the greater community

Yea but with “faith based” services, they push the bible at you 24/7. Some shelters/centers won’t let you eat until AFTER they’ve had bible study.

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
8:14 pm

“I‘m JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO SEE THE REAL PROBLEM”

In other words…you’re going to criticize. Why not just be honest and say so, instead of starting out with a spurious criticisim of those who criticize.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 17th, 2010
8:15 pm

It’s 8:15 on 3/17/10, Saint Patty’s Day and Michelle obozo is still fugly, just sayin….

DoggoneGA

March 17th, 2010
8:16 pm

“I made up my mind I wasn’t going to talk about that. It was way, way too obvious.”

Well, it was obvious to you and me anyway. To PA, not so much.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
8:16 pm

SoCo–

Yes, I did. We did some playing around with it. We’re going to have to have a workshop to teach them how to use it effectively (i.e. how to get around certain problems) The planning of that is on the agenda tomorrow and I’ll be able to do most of it from the house…work in my underwear, slurping coffee, and blogging on the other screen! Thanks again…

DDR–
Hey, girl! How’s that “free” education going? :-)

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
8:17 pm

jt

I can’t answer for the other schools, but as for Alabama St., there was the addition of new residence halls to house the increase in students. Then there are new buildings to hold new degree programs. There was a new basketball arena/class building built in the early 90’s, and the old arena is now the new dining hall. Upgrades to old residence halls that included installing air conditioning in one of the dorms that lacked it, and I could go on… There are still capital improvements that could be made to that one campus. Some of the residence halls have been there since the 40’s/50’s or maybe even earlier. The money has been put to good use, but had the state been adequately funding the school from the beginning, it probably wouldn’t be quite as painful a growth spell now.

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:19 pm

wow, that interview from Fox wasn’t even an interview. Michael Moore gives his subjects time to answer. he’s patient. What the F was that?

Are you conservatives that lost? Are you sweatiing the life you’ve chosen that much? Wow, no one ever aske Bush or your current hero, Ms Palin a question and then stopped them from answering. No one cut off Palin.
No one cut off W.
You use these tactics on what? ????????? real or your NOT real americans?

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
8:19 pm

josef

No problem. You can tell them that it’s helped serve the country well, so it should work in the classroom too.

Rightwing troll

March 17th, 2010
8:22 pm

Basically a visual representation of what goes one here on a daily basis…

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
8:22 pm

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:23 pm

you conservative are just losers buying the same old “we shall win” or, better yet “Conservative Victory” from Hannity:

Send your dollars in…send em to Hannity. Heaniity OWNS your arse!

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:23 pm

Jay

recognize this?

**What about the school loans, Pal.?

Nobody wants to talk about how the dims are trying to decide the fate of all private American schools. Afraid to bring up the real face of the fascist that you support?

You are pathetic.**

Get your facts straight.

And you have yet to address any of the points I have made. You can preach at others. With me it will take more than “It was OK to be scared to death of GW Bush. HE wanted to tap the phones of our enemies, but with the Chicago Mafia that was placed in the White House by institutions like the AJC, we must be totally trusting. After all, they have such good intentions.

You haven’t presented a damned thing, Jay. Only the opinions of someone who is in 100% with anything these thugs want to do.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
8:23 pm

What’s up SoCo?!? How’ve ya been? While I’m at it, Hey Paul and josef!!

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
8:24 pm

DDR–
Point made, but, well, that’s why they’re called “faith based…” It depends on the philosophical and theological outlook of the faith (read “brand”) sponsoring them. Some are not at all Bible-thumping and others, as you say, 24/7. Jewish ones, for example, do not for the simple reason proselytizing is not accepted.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:25 pm

Finn

**Are you conservatives that lost?**

Have you heard about the elections this last year. Teddy Kennedy’s seat is now owned by a conservative.

Now who is lost, Einstein?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:27 pm

Rightwing Troll

** Basically a visual representation of what goes one here on a daily basis…**

Did Jay get you all riled up with a little selective media? He’s training himself to be the new CNN.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
8:30 pm

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:30 pm

NIF wrote:
Finn

**Are you conservatives that lost?**

Have you heard about the elections this last year. Teddy Kennedy’s seat is now owned by a conservative.

Now who is lost, Einstein?

—————————————————————————–
One election? That all you got? You better look for more than one little inch to make your name in November, Buddy. All I see is you squeezing yer cheeks.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:31 pm

DDR

**Yea but with “faith based” services, they push the bible at you 24/7.**

Where does that happen.? I know some of the downtown churches, in order to have a free place to sleep, they have to sleep through a short sermon.

Here’s an idea. Let’s let the secular progressives feed them and give them food and a place to sleep. Once you guys start doing that, then maybe your criticisms of the local churches will hold more water.

jt

March 17th, 2010
8:32 pm

Joseph Nix-

Koestler liked his Danton too.

As I eat foods not recommended by the government, and smoke tobacco, and live without health insurance, I think of -

“You have laid hands on my whole life. May it rise and challenge you. You want to stifle the Republic in blood. How long must the footsteps of freedom be gravestones? Tyranny is afoot; she has torn her veil, she carries her head high, she strides over our dead bodies.”

Intense in context.
I would like for Koestler to lecture Jay and crew.

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:32 pm

It’s OK, NIF, your liver won’t make it till November anyway

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:33 pm

Finn

Actually three. And all three were decisive victories for the good guys.
God bless America, We are heading back to having a growing economy. Look for a giant upswing in the economy starting in November of this year.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
8:35 pm

josef they are working me to DEATH for all of those thousands they spent on me to go to Law School!! Sometimes, I go to work with a bandanna on my head singing href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiXLl7clwJE&feature=related”“Pick a bale of cotton”.

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:36 pm

wow, i get to work from home the next two days. why? cause I told my boss I needed to. Try it sometime. You not only save the gas money and the car wear, you save your mentality.

jt

March 17th, 2010
8:37 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe -

Good tune.

Here is a good one. That bag-pipe reaches across oceans and generations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTafZRecy2k&feature=related

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

Finn

**It’s OK, NIF, your liver won’t make it till November anyway**

Come on man. You are going to need to crank up the old IQ about 60 points to even compete. So far, you are not even in the same ballpark.

mike

March 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

Finn –

“One election? That all you got? You better look for more than one little inch to make your name in November, Buddy. All I see is you squeezing yer cheeks.”

Well actually it was three elections. Three states that went to Obama overwhelmingly just a year and a half ago voted in Republicans in statewide elections.

Also, do you think analysts from Jay to Krauthammer are all wrong about what is going to happen in November? What is the information that you have that no political analysts have

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

The bill to change Internet access is gonna change all our lives. No more driving to work! Watch, that is where this will lead. at least for a few of us.

Unbelivable,,,,you conservatives are such arses.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
8:38 pm

josef: Jewish ones, for example, do not for the simple reason proselytizing is not accepted.

Oh, if only they were ALL like that……

Swamp: Here’s an idea. Let’s let the secular progressives feed them and give them food and a place to sleep. Once you guys start doing that, then maybe your criticisms of the local churches will hold more water.

NOTE: I said “some” not “all” big difference. Also stating a fact is now considered a criticism? WOW!! Thanks for the 411.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
8:40 pm

M Percy @ 8:05–You’re singing my song. None of the projected benefits of mandated health insurance have materialized in Massachusetts, and costs have gone through the roof. We don’t need CBO estimates, a working model of the Democrat plan already exists, and has already failed.

No matter how you slice it or dice it, this is a bad bill.

FinnMcCool

March 17th, 2010
8:41 pm

You are going to need to crank up the old IQ about 60 points to even compete. So far, you are not even in the same ballpark

I bet there are other idiots out there reading your stuff, NIF. I’m sure. Don’t lose hope, girlfriend.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
8:41 pm

MPercy, as point of fact the current health care bill meets the criteria for reconciliation or the Republicans would point that out. It is in fact eligible and as done time and again by the Republicans may well be used in this case.

If the Republicans did not want the process used they should not have been party to authorizing it in the beginning or using it as they did. Fact is they are just trying to create as much FUD as possible in an effort to keep the status quo in place.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:43 pm

Finn

**The bill to change Internet access is gonna change all our lives.**

Sadly, I am beginning to understand. I have been working with skype and other computer communications for years. So you have been waiting on the government to say you could work from home? LOL!!! I wonder why my convertible is ten years old and only has 30,000 miles on it? Could it be that the rest of us have been working from home for years? LOL

You liberals are so backward.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:44 pm

Finn

Girlfriend?

Sorry sweety. I like girls and as much as you want to be one, you ain’t one.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
8:45 pm

Swamper–
That particular church congregation is one I hold in great respect. When I first hear about what they were doing, it intrigued me, so I went to services and checked it out…it was as it was reported and I came away with a respect for the rich white folks who shared their pews with the dispossessed…would that more of us would follow their example…

Hillbilly–
Faith ‘n begorrah and may ye be in heav’n a half-hour afore the devil knows y’ere dead and may yer house always be too small to hold all yer friends…

mike

March 17th, 2010
8:46 pm

JDW –

“Fact is they are just trying to create as much FUD as possible in an effort to keep the status quo in place.”

Really? That is the goal of Republicans? It isn’t just that they think that this bill is just a particularly bad way to effect change?

Why dumb down the argument into one in which any who don’t share your narrow views might actually be decent people too? I guess because doing so would require you to debate a policy instead of just sneering at them as not being as sincere as you and the people who do share your narrow minded views.

Mick

March 17th, 2010
8:51 pm

NIF

The funny thing about fear of the gov’t is that it is the only time conservatives actually believe the gov’t is effective. I still maintain that this region is particularly hostile to obama. Brown in mass. being elected had a lot to do with him beating a bad candidate – happens all the time and happened in the republican district in upstate new york. Go ahead and get out all your venom and blame everything on obama and the dems if it makes you feel good. The next election is 8 mos. away, an eternity in politics and whichever side is more motivated to get out the vote will win. I just don’t think its going to the rout that you and others on this blog are predicting.

Georgia loses

March 17th, 2010
8:52 pm

What really struck me is that the man throwing bills(I dont know the denominations) at the man with parkinsons, is the fact that he epotimises the american image, well dressed wearing a white shirt & necktie, seemingly not affluent but upper middle class. His disdain for those in dire straits is typical of some not all. the man before him who threw out the diatribe no handouts over here exposed the thinking of the selfish among us, translation I got mine I dont care about the less fortunate. Repeat the mantra, get a job, no handouts, I pay my own way, personal responsibility AND ON AND ON. These are the people who claim to be christian, they select the passages in the bible that support their thinking and discard everything else.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:52 pm

Josef Nix

If you type in the Haven Of Rest Rescue Mission, you will see what my hometown church supported for most of my life. Our church would have two nights a weeks, and Mom and my Aunts would cook all day for the homeless guys. I played trumpet at some of the services and some other members of my family would sing for the old guys.

Some of the guys would pay attention and get “saved” until the next bottle of wine, and some of the guys would sleep. The only thing was, they couldn’t lay on the pews. There just wasn’t room.

md

March 17th, 2010
8:54 pm

“as point of fact the current health care bill meets the criteria for reconciliation or the Republicans would point that out. It is in fact eligible and as done time and again by the Republicans may well be used in this case. ”

This is why the House has to pass the Senate bill, as no new bill would survive reconciliation without being shredded. The problem the house has, is any “fix” will also get shredded in reconciliation, w/ no guarnatees a “fix” can get done.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
8:55 pm

JDW

March 17th, 2010
8:56 pm

MIke, if the Republicans had any desire to effect change they could have done that in any year between 1995 and 2007 when they had a majority of both houses…they did not. A Republican president could have championed the issue in on of the 20 years out of the last 30 that they have held the White House but they did not.

I stand by my original statement, they are not interested in a solution and are simply creating as much FUD as possible in an effort to win political points.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
8:58 pm

josef:

But we are letting it happen right in front of our eyes. I am almost embarrassed to look my grandchild in the face.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
8:58 pm

Mick

Bob Beckle, a democratic mouthpiece that appears on FOX did some research and found that 12 more democrats that are supposed to run for office this year haven’t been raising money. It’s too late to start now so expect 12 more democrats to bow out. They can read the writing on the wall.

It would take a rout to retake Congress, but it’s looking like that is what is going to happen.

8 months is no time in politics. Say what you want, but just like Jay tries to make out like what I say is isolated, Georgia is not even one of the worst states against Obama. The dims got a chance and blew it.

They are not only going to lose, it will take a good decade before America will trust them again.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
8:59 pm

Finn and NIF

Now, now…only gay men and black women can use Girlfriend… :-)

DDR
Couldn’t get the link to come up…but..the bandana! Heh, heh! I’ve mentioned my friend the Afro-centric, Black nationalist, lesbian separatist etc Ivy League law graduate civil rights activist–we have this great picture of her, snapped one hot summer day when she had her hair under a bandana, the big hoop earrings that are her trademark and, it was snapped just as she was about to bite into a big slice of watermelon and the look on her face is priceless…we e-mail it back and forth to each other with no comment when we’re “up to something” radical!

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
8:59 pm

“jewcowboy keep drinking the kool-ade.”

Ok…forewarning…this may be the 3rd (or is it 4th) Jameson talking but here it goes:

“Drinking the Kool-Aid”…who says that crap anymore?

Am I also “leveraging the brand”? Practicing “synergy” on the “low hanging fruit”?

Am I “pushing the envelope” of the “paradigm”?

Am I “dropping the ball” on “taking to the next level”, or am I “hitting the ground running” “with my ‘A’ game”?

Perhaps I am bringing “value to the table” by “managing expectations” of our “core competencies”?

Maybe I am “touching base” with the “robust” “bottom line” while being “market driven” on the “landline”?

Should I “circle back” to the “next generation” of “win-win” while trying not to put “lipstick on a pig”?

I guess I will just have to “multi-task” with “rightsizing” the “scalability” of “perfect storm”.

jt

March 17th, 2010
9:00 pm

Tiocfiadh ar lá
long live Éire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VIVSHOQboo

Don’t let the state divide us.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:01 pm

JDW

A solution to what? A working healthcare system?

No, the Republicans didn’t act on a working system.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:03 pm

FinnMcCool,

“You not only save the gas money and the car wear, you save your mentality.”

According to Forbes, Atlanta is the 2nd most “wired” city. I think that means we “move value up the chain” while not having a lot of “boots on the ground” when we “polish a turd”.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
9:03 pm

jewcowboy

You need to “think outside of the box.”

Mick

March 17th, 2010
9:05 pm

NIF

**They are not only going to lose, it will take a good decade before America will trust them again.**

People do not trust republicans either. That’s why if a candidate appeals to the voters it doesn’t matter which party they are in. This is a great time to run as an independent. Problem is, once you become a politician, I equate it the same as becoming a vampire but instead of thirsting for blood, it’s money..

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
9:07 pm

jt–

Ah! Danton…the Bruin has yet to respond to my agreement to quit calling the current administration Peronistas in preference for what I really think they are–Jacobins! Have you seen Depardieu’s “Danton?”

Scout–
Me? I’m still p*ssed to the max over the MIA Habeas Corpus…but, Bush-ites and Obamistas alike don’t seem to want to talk about that…

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:10 pm

Jewcowboy

**According to Forbes, Atlanta is the 2nd most “wired” city.**

We are actually moving backward. Just before the 96 games, there were more fiberoptic cables running under the Roxy Building on Marietta Street than were entering the city of New York.

Cox communication now uses those same trunks.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:10 pm

Kamchak,

“You need to “think outside of the box.”

I can’t…I’m too busy “working on work life balance” while “not throwing him under the bus” and enjoying the “world class” “take aways” of “corporate DNA”.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:10 pm

DDR

It’s been a bag of mixed nuts in my world. Only the wife and child keep me sane some days. I worry about the path we’re taking as a country as we split further and further into factions. At least we haven’t gotten to the stages where other countries currently are. Once we start spraying lead at each other, I’m heading to the USVI.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
9:12 pm

I’ll admit my way of thinking is “outside the mainstream” and I don’t always follow the “paradigm shifts” but why in the wide, wide world of sports would anybody spend time “polishing a turd”? When you get done, it’s still a turd. :lol:

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
9:12 pm

“josef, like Bruno’s yesterday, your response illustrates the historical reasons why American Jews vote against Republicans. This is all well documented. The question is simple – why in 2010 do American Jews STILL vote anti-Republican in such overwhelming numbers. This isn’t rocket science. It just requires a little intellectual honesty…”

AmVet–I’m not sure why you think pointing to an 80 year unbroken history of voting Democrat in overwhelming numbers doesn’t qualify as an intellectually honest response to your question. Values, and therefore voting preferences are typically handed down from generation to generation, so it’s no surprise to me that the tradition has continued. You seem to draw some greater meaning from this fact than I do.

Obviously all people vote for the political party which they feel best represents their interests. I’m not Jewish, so can only look toward historical reasons to explain this strong allegiance to one party. Maybe you feel that the Republican Party is somehow anti-Semitic. I don’t see that, but you are free to point out any examples you can find.

The bottom line, buddy, is that not everyone shares the same values and interests, thus the need for more than one political party. Your constant demonization of conservatives suggests to me that you are having trouble accepting this fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW8TlrYhBxk

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
9:12 pm

jewcowboy

Did you ever get a chance to sample Midleton by Jameson?

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:13 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“We are actually moving backward”

Yep..last year Forbes ranked us #1…now #2.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
9:14 pm

josef: DDR – Couldn’t get the link to come up…

Here it is again, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVfbwGW1O4&feature=related

……..but..the bandana! Heh, heh! I’ve mentioned my friend the Afro-centric, Black nationalist, lesbian separatist etc Ivy League law graduate civil rights activist–we have this great picture of her, snapped one hot summer day when she had her hair under a bandana, the big hoop earrings that are her trademark and, it was snapped just as she was about to bite into a big slice of watermelon and the look on her face is priceless…we e-mail it back and forth to each other with no comment when we’re “up to something” radical!

Too Funny!! Next time when you send the picture put the “priceless!!!” moniker on it.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
9:16 pm

jt

That sum is in 1847 terms. It would be around $70,000 in today’s terms…

http://www.choctawnation.com/files/irishdonation.pdf

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

It must be nice to be able to telework… :(

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe,

But it’s a shiny one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

Mick

People do not trust republicans either

Which people? The problem with that is what this administration has done. I have a lot of liberal friends. They just don’t complain about Bush wire tapping our enemies any more.

If this administration and Congress had been the normal partisan bunch, it would be different, but they are scaring the hell out of everybody. And every single thing they do is always about giving the government more power. And they have ben arrogant and blatant about it.

In the State of the Union Obama promised to table the health bill and work on job creation. Like everything else, how do you think the American people think that he has done in that regard?

This is a disaster for the democrats.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:19 pm

Kamchak,

“Did you ever get a chance to sample Midleton by Jameson?”

I’ve never had the pleasure…to be honest I’m more of a Maker’s man myself…but when the Irish eyes are smiling…. :)

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:21 pm

HD

In my line of work, the one who spends time trying to polish that turd ends up being a soup sandwich when there is a collision between the blades of a wind generator and fecal matter.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:21 pm

SoCo

**Once we start spraying lead at each other, I’m heading to the USVI.**
St. Croix is best. No crowds, isolated from St Thomas and St John. And it has it’s own refinery.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
9:22 pm

DDR–

Oooh! You didn’t!!! Another story from days of youth long gone by…the details are far to complex to go into here, but…several of my friends were about to begin serving a few weeks on the county farm, R. having been branded by the local press as a heavy in “a gang of lesbian thieves.” We were having a send off party for them, but the guests of honor had not shown up…all of a sudden the door opened, and in they came, dressed in prison stripes and did a wonderfully choreographed routine in which they sang that!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

In my line of work, the one who spends time trying to polish that turd ends up being a soup sandwich when there is a collision between the blades of a wind generator and fecal matter.

And they say there’s no great writing anymore. ;-)

jewcowboy

Mythbusters is one of the few things on TV worth watching.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
9:23 pm

SoCo: DDR – It’s been a bag of mixed nuts in my world. Only the wife and child keep me sane some days. I worry about the path we’re taking as a country as we split further and further into factions. At least we haven’t gotten to the stages where other countries currently are. Once we start spraying lead at each other, I’m heading to the USVI.

It IS getting insane isn’t it? People are going nuts and our country seems like it’s going to be in a permanent stalemate for ever. We really do need a viable, reliable, LUCID, 3rd party right about now.

One poster pointed out it’s just like during the times when we went through the Civil Rights era and now some people (mostly we young ones) are wondering what the heck all the fuss was about in the first place!! I mean you can die for your country overseas but you can’t drink at the same water fountain as a white person — well I guess if we survived that, we can survive anything.

The state has gone MAD — they plan to cut EDUCATION even more drastically, (like georgia could afford to cut one dime from its educational foundation); pretty soon georgia is gonna be a state with nothing but under educated miscreants, ignoramuses on one hand and holier than thou sanctimonious prigs on the other. (No Liquor sales on Sunday!!)

I’ve been thinking about buying a vacation rental in USVI myself…….went there a couple of years ago and had a great time!! LOTS of men, lots of good, strong, sexy men……whew, sorry I stated drooling on the keypad………!!!

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

DTS

When the Patriot Act was first passed, I thought it was the worst infringement on the rights of people living here that I had ever personally witnessed. However, all one has to do is change their perspective, or view, and things look completely different. Seeing how things work from a security standpoint, I had no problem with it’s subsequent renewals. I’m not a wire tapper, but I can see the benefits of the program.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

It’s “blue-sky thinking” when “herding cats” to get “the rubber on the road” while avoiding the “game changing” “transparency” of the “come to Jesus”.

Let me just tell you!

jt

March 17th, 2010
9:25 pm

Josef————-Imagine that. Absolutely no government coercion involved. How did that happen?

“The people of Ireland have never forgotten the kindness shown from the Choctaw Indians. The Irish, realizing that these Native American had delved deep into their own pockets for what little they had to share, have welcomed delegations from the Choctaw Nation and have visited the tribal lands in Oklahoma. In 1992, a plaque was unveiled at the Lord Mayor’s Mansion in Dublin, Ireland that reads, “Their humanity calls us to remember the millions of human beings throughout our world today who die of hunger and hunger-related illness in a world of plenty.”

Dudley

March 17th, 2010
9:26 pm

LOTS of men, lots of good, strong, sexy men……whew, sorry I stated drooling on the keypad………!!!

??????????????

JDW

March 17th, 2010
9:27 pm

Swampy, you are under the delusion that the US Healthcare system is working properly and suffering from the inability to understand that America can improve. People write books on the subject you should read some. Here is a primer for you:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1062086/the_american_health_care_system_how.html

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

josef: Leadbelly sings the original (and does a darn good job of it too); but I like Cash’s version too. So how’s the mister been doing AND how do you feel about the drastic budget cuts to education that Georgia is proposing?

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

DDR–That was me at 9:26. Your secrets are still safe, at least for now. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEbfeG2oAE&feature=related

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

HD

I was pretty decent at creative writing in school. It helped me BS my way thru many a term paper.

DDR

It’s gotten to the point now that I’m at the range quite a bit on my off time. Things are crazy at work . I’m hitting the gym more because we’ve had to deal with some feisty people lately. Since that jacka$$ gave himself the ultimate orgasm on Christmas, it’s been balls to the wall in DHS.

Mick

March 17th, 2010
9:30 pm

**but they are scaring the hell out of everybody.**

They are not scaring me and millions of others who just happen to be the majority. Have some faith in the people of this country to make corrections if needed. When bush went after social security that did it for the majority of people and – bush was defeated in his attempts. Why? The majority of people rejected his proposal. If obama is as bad as you keep saying, then he will have to answer to the people. Obama does not scare me in any way. I don’t trust republicans. We fought two wars and put it on the credit card. That is a fact we borrowed money from china to pay for our war debt and at the same time cut taxes – does that make any sense? At least bush senior had the first gulf war managed correctly and we didn’t put one cent on the credit card. Trust republicans – not this crew.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

DebbieDoRight,

“It IS getting insane isn’t it?”

You just need to “execute the plan” of “team building” the “halo effect” before you “bring him to the woodshed” over the lack of “facetime”.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

March 17th, 2010
9:32 pm

This is pretty simple. The Constitution does not allow the government to control health care. The government is too stupid to control health care. If the government takes over health care, any competent physician that can retire, will retire, thus forcing immediate rationing of care, which is exactly what the government wants. At that point, a physician will be a glorified auto mechanic. A prudent investor will start taking out life insurance policies on everybody he knows, naming himself as beneficiary. Delta needs to add more flights to Costa Rica and other countries with large numbers of American trained physicians – business will be brisk.

jt

March 17th, 2010
9:34 pm

Tiocfaidh ár lá no one f#ck with the irish,weve fought 800 years and we will fight 800 more.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Southern Comfort,

“Since that jacka$$ gave himself the ultimate orgasm on Christmas, it’s been balls to the wall in DHS.”

Just don’t “screw the pooch” while “leveraging resources” before you do your “due-diligence”.

jt

March 17th, 2010
9:35 pm

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy has been reading his Koestler.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
9:36 pm

Bruno: DDR–That was me at 9:26. Your secrets are still safe, at least for now.

THANK GOD BRUNO!! I almost wet myself when I read that…….

You are sooooo bad!! :shock:

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

JDW

**Swampy, you are under the delusion that the US Healthcare system is working properly and suffering from the inability to understand that America can improve.**

Jeeze. Give it a break. Our healthcare system is no where near perfect, but is does work properly.

There is a lack of understanding here, but its not from me. Spending 2.5 trillion to give the people making from 14,000 to 19,000 some really crappy medicaid is hardly fixing anything.

Please learn the difference between improving a good system and being convinced, by an already proven corrupt government that we need to throw the whole thing out and build a new system where the government can tell us all how to live.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:37 pm

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy,

“Delta needs to add more flights to Costa Rica and other countries with large numbers of American trained physicians – business will be brisk.”

You do realize Costa Rica has a nationalized health care system, don’t you?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/357920/costa_rica_a_look_at_its_national_healthcare.html?cat=5

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

jewcowboy @ 9:17

I don’t care who you are, thass funny! :-)

jt

Another one, and I don’t have a link handy for this one, comes from Mary Bushyhead, one of the first students at the first Cherokee school. The missionaries coming down to “inspect” from Boston had insisted that the children be “instructed” in Christian charity. When they came they found the children had made up a sizeable collection for the “aid of the Greek refugees fleeing Turkey…”

She’s also the one who says that on her first day of school, there she was with her hair braided white style, dressed in a pinafore and hard-soled shoes and as her mother bent down to kiss her good-bye told her, “now you better do what the Christian ladies tell you. Don’t forget, their G-d killed his own son…”

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

Kamchak @ 9.35,

Thanks! That is one of my all time favorite songs by U2. So many others get precedent before “Numb” but I love the heavy electonica sound throughout.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
9:43 pm

You can “lead a horse to water” but if he can’t see “the forest for the trees”, you might have to “go back and lick your calf over”.

Scout

March 17th, 2010
9:44 pm

Early taps for tonight ……………………

manykrazykatz

March 17th, 2010
9:45 pm

I’m sure that everyone in the Tea Party didn’t behave in the warm cuddly way that y’all seem to want. I apologize (even though I wasn’t there). I’m frustrated with the lack of common sense. We can’t pay for this. We really, really can’t pay for all this wonderful sounding stuff. Y’all are gonna have to get over it. I’m sorry. Weas a nation are facing bankruptcy as it is. We as a nation can’t pay for everything for everybody. We don’t have enough money. If you taxed all those evil rich people you keep dissing at 100% of their income, we won’t have enough money. Why can’t we try a more incremental approach? Sell insurance across state lines. Tort reform (Oh, God won’t the trial lawyers have a cow on that one!! And where is your outrage on that??) Come on, people. Stop letting people do the drama queen routine on your heartstrings, and think!!

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:46 pm

Mick

**They are not scaring me and millions of others who just happen to be the majority.*

LOL Majority? Please, show me one reputable poll where more people support this bill than not.

**When bush went after social security**

And when did Bush go after SS? A date. a year?

**If obama is as bad as you keep saying, then he will have to answer to the people. **

Not for three more years. Look at what he has done in one. We will be lucky to survive three more like these. He’s pi**ing off everyone.

**Obama does not scare me in any way.**

I know. And that is damn troubling. I think that the democrats understand that there will always be people like you who will follow them no matter what. Fortunately for the rest of us, those numbers are shrinking.

**We fought two wars and put it on the credit card. That is a fact we borrowed money from china to pay for our war debt and at the same time cut taxes – does that make any sense?**

So the way we fix that is to spend multiples of that amount and borrow it all from China. Let me guess: you were not a math major.

**At least bush senior had the first gulf war managed correctly**

So it was good that we had to go back and kill Hussain? I don’t think so.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
9:47 pm

SoCo: DDR – It’s gotten to the point now that I’m at the range quite a bit on my off time. Things are crazy at work . I’m hitting the gym more because we’ve had to deal with some feisty people lately. Since that jacka$$ gave himself the ultimate orgasm on Christmas, it’s been balls to the wall in DHS.

Gun range or Driving range?

jewcowboy – maybe i’ve been working too hard but i have absolutely no idea what the heck you were talking about!!

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

Jewcowboy

**You do realize Costa Rica has a nationalized health care system, don’t you?**

A lot of countries that have a population of one of our medium cities do. Our problem is that we have 300 million people.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t maker her think.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

I always love when there’s a military press conference–there’s always one new phrase that’s guaranteed to “go viral”. “Embedded”, “degraded”, “cell”…..

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:48 pm

“The Constitution does not allow the government to control health care.”

#1 I don’t think the government is trying to take over health care.

#2 The Preamble to the Constitution does state “promote the general welfare…”

“The government is too stupid to control health care.”

Ask anyone who’s used TriCare in the military and ask them if the government is too stupid to run health care.

” thus forcing immediate rationing of care, which is exactly what the government wants.”

thus forcing immediate rationing of care, which is exactly what insurance providers currently do to maximize profits… Thought I’d help you out there.

I’m not going to touch the glorified auto mechanic, because if there’s a mechanic that can perform neurosurgery, then he’s in the wrong damned field.

And finally, check out the F-1 and J-1 visa programs. There are more American trained physicians around the world than there are here in the U.S. Delta already has flights to many of those places, and people travel there to get medical treatment from competent physicians for a hell of a lot less than they would have to pay here.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:49 pm

josef nix.

mr. nonjewcowboy LOVED the mythbusters…filled the frickin’ Tivo with them.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
9:50 pm

OH, the ignorance of what goes on in churches as explained by those who never go there. It is frustrating.

Do you know that many churches now have parish nurses that work from various churches? We have one at our church and she works with ANYONE who asks her help. She is not paid but maintains regular hours at church. No, she does more than take your BP and pass out aspirin. She is familiar with a total network of people, institutions, hospitals, doctors and organizations that help people in trouble, sick or otherwise. She facilitates reaching help for many problems. If she cannot help, she refers you to someone who can. She has organized blood drives, health fairs, flu shot clinics, exercise groups, visits the sick and has a health page in the monthy newsletter.

Many churches now have Parish nurses. There are so many people at churches that reach out to everyone, even around the world. Do you know that Lutherans have a hospital(Victoria) in Palestine which churches in America support? Do you know that Lutheran World Relief is one of the top notch aid agenices in the world? That Lutheran agencies help immigrants, children for adoption, foster parents? Do you know that Lutherans and their churches are much like many other denominations and people of faith who do more than drop a quarter in the Salvation Army pot or buy Girl Scout cookies?

I’m not saying that there are not people of good character who help many others and do not attend church. But churches are organized to HELP people in many ways. They offer a far reaching effort that individuals alone cannot even attempt.

The next time you say OHHH one time I went to church and it wasn’t worth the time. Stop and think again. At least don’t condemn that which you know so little about. Stick around a while and offer your own help to others. Compassion is fine but better when put into action.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
9:52 pm

DDR

Oh, I’m going to take my little ones down to the Dome and show them their new classroom! :-)

Seriously, though, that whole pack down to the capitol should be put in the stocks and the schoolchildren of Georgia marched by and provided with eggs and rotten vegetables…OFWTH!

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
9:53 pm

DDR

Gun range. I can deposit lead pretty accurately into the cranial vault between 10-15 yards. Trying to get my range out to 25…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:54 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“A lot of countries that have a population of one of our medium cities do. Our problem is that we have 300 million people.”

I was just pointing out to Vast Right Wing Conspiracy that the country they are proposing to send Americans for treatment if America adopts a nationalized health care system is, in fact, one that has a nationalized healthcare system.

A bit ironic, eh?

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
9:55 pm

josef: DDR – Oh, I’m going to take my little ones down to the Dome and show them their new classroom!

PRICELESS!!!

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
9:55 pm

My all time favorite convoluted phrase came from the King Of Convoluted Phrases, the late Al Haig. In the 80’s when speaking about the situation in Central America, he said, “What we need to do is de-Super Powerize the region”.

Del

March 17th, 2010
9:56 pm

Hey Josef, Bosch, Hillbilly, Scout,

Hope all is well… just checked in for a short time. Last nights discussion was good. Getting close to taps for this old Recon Marine.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:57 pm

DebbieDoRight,

“jewcowboy – maybe i’ve been working too hard but i have absolutely no idea what the heck you were talking about!!”

That’s ok…just be “part of the solution” when “getting your head around” comparing “apples to apples” and getting to the “soup to nuts” of “peeling back the onion” on “exceeding expectations” of “getting back to basics”.

Twits

March 17th, 2010
9:58 pm

1. Stop this HealthCare Abomination.
2. Bring in real Change in November.
3. Change the leadership
4. Send Nancy back to the Hippies.
5. Retire Reed.
6. Barney Frank has gotta to go along with Dodd (gone, but not soon enough) and Rangel (crook).
7. Starting in November, make him a LAME DUCK who cannot cause anymore damage
8. Wait two more years and fire the Community Organizer.
9. Remember that Jimmy Carter, is currently the worst president in History, but he has HOPE that this might CHANGE with the current occupant of the White House.

How is the hopey changey thing working? NOT AT ALL. The man has NO EXPERIENCE and it shows. He is also a leader of the LOONY LEFT and will bankrupt our country while making us all dependent on his GOVERNMENT.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
9:58 pm

Kamchak,

“You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t maker her think.”

HA! I’m still chuckling over that.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
10:00 pm

Remember that George W. Bush, is currently the worst president in History…

fixed your typo, again.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:00 pm

“#1 I don’t think the government is trying to take over health care.”

SC–We can split hairs all night regarding the terminology, but the fact is that the government is attempting to insert itself into the health care industry in unprecedented, unwanted ways. Making the purchase of a government-approved health insurance plan as a condition of citizenship is outrageous, if not unconstitutional. Dictating to the insurance companies how to run their business is an overreach as well, other than insisting that they honor their contracts as written.

“#2 The Preamble to the Constitution does state “promote the general welfare…”

A little too general, could be used to justify any scheme at all.

ingrid

March 17th, 2010
10:01 pm

The behavior shown in this video is so despicable that it makes me physically ill to see it. Who were these inhumane heartless beings? Justice would be served if they or someone they loved were afflicted with a disease like Parkinson’s — and then lost health care coverage.

I can only hope that when they saw themselves on TV, they were deeply ashamed. They should have been.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:02 pm

Twits,

Such reasoned thoughts…do you write for the Economist or Foreign Policy Review?

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:02 pm

That’s ok…just be “part of the solution” when “getting your head around” comparing “apples to apples” and getting to the “soup to nuts” of “peeling back the onion” on “exceeding expectations” of “getting back to basics”.

OK so does this mean you’re talking in bad metaphors? I can try my hand at a few, here’s one:
“Love will be tested”,” the rules have changed”, “we must fight the good fight” because “it’s always darkest before the dawn”. We as Americans “have nothing to fear but fear itself”.

That’s as good as I can get!! Sorry.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
10:04 pm

Ah Bruno,

You speak the truth so well.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
10:05 pm

Swampy

“A lot of countries that have a population of one of our medium cities do. Our problem is that we have 300 million people.”

Costa Ricans have an per capita GDP of $10,572 while we have one of $46,443. Do you mean to tell me that it is easier for say 4.3 million people making $10,572 each to fund healthcare than 305 million people making $46,443 each?

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:07 pm

Bruno: Making the purchase of a government-approved health insurance plan as a condition of citizenship is outrageous, if not unconstitutional.

Bruno WHERE did you see/read that at? Please show me the link. PS: Please make it a LEGITIMATE link. thanks!

PSS: We make people take TESTS to become citizens, is that unconstitutional too?

Mick

March 17th, 2010
10:07 pm

**You speak the truth so well.**

One persons version of the truth is a shoe that doesn’t fit all sizes.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
10:07 pm

Del–

Thanks. I enjoyed that one, too. Hope you didn’t get too offended when I called you “precious!” :-)

Others–

I’m enjoying the h3ll out of y’all’s word plays…
The horticulture one is attributed to Dorothy Parker…when she was told that Tallulah Bankhead had broken her leg in London, she quipped, “doubtlessly sliding down a barrister.”

Del

March 17th, 2010
10:08 pm

The problem I had with the video and of course no one can be certain, one way or the other but was it possible he was a pan handler? I didn’t see anyone attack him.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
10:09 pm

BTY Swampy how many healthcare systems have you lived under? My guess is one. I have been lucky enough to reside in and consume healthcare in 4–Singapore, UK, Germany and the US. Maybe you should find a way to get a bit broader perspective on healthcare and life in general before you start drawing absolute conclusions.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:11 pm

DebbieDoRight,

“OK so does this mean you’re talking in bad metaphors?”

No…I was commenting on the absurdity of Proud Americans post of: “jewcowboy keep drinking the kool-ade.”

This is just my (slightly) drunken rant of meaningless business/political jargon that those without unique thoughts cling to en mass. They hear it from some pundit on an cable opinion show and parrot it, thinking it gives them a veneer of acumen; when in reality it shows their inanity.

Del

March 17th, 2010
10:14 pm

Josef,

No offense, however, I’ve never been described that way before. In fact back in time you might have heard me described as quite the opposite. Anyway thank you for your kind comment.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm

Bruno

I’ve heard those arguments as well. My problem with the whole situation is this, if we leave it up to the industry to clean itself up, where will we end up? For example, if the government had not stepped in to monitor child labor, how many of us would have had the opportunity to have a full childhood? If the government had not stepped in to help with integration, would we be able to sit at the same bar and share a beer?

I didn’t see that kind of fuss when insurance was mandated for driving cars. If y’all got a chance to see how many pregnant people come here to have their babies so they can get “free care” by way of hospital visits, you’d know there has to be a better way.

I don’t think the government needs to get too involved in health care myself. If I were in Congress, I’d opt for a single payer system for preventative care. Let the insurance industry do what they’re supposed to do for traumatic injury and stuff. As others have said here, insurance shouldn’t be for basic check-ups. Things have gotten so bloated and outrageous, I think this is exactly what we needed as a country. It has caused everyone to get involved in dialogue on health care.

If this bill doesn’t pass, and the Democrats are voted out, do you honestly think Republicans will turn right back around and try to tackle health care? I think you’d have a better shot of them stuffing nuclear grenades in their boxers before that happens. Not because they don’t care, but because they’ll look at the election results and say that the people have spoken and don’t want health care change. They’ll also be afraid of losing the next round of elections for doing the same thing the Democrats are trying to do. The entire time, however, the people in the insurance and lobbying industry will be laughing their butts all the way to their Swiss banks with our hard earned money.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm

“Ah Bruno, You speak the truth so well.”

It frustrates me, Dusty, when I see supporters of this bill trying to couch things in terms of fairness and compassion and other such nonsense. This bill accomplishes none of those objectives because it does nothing to fundamentally address the biggest problem in our health care system: runaway costs caused by the third-party billing system. In fact, by forcing everyone to purchase insurance, it will make the problem worse, as Massachusetts has already found out.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
10:15 pm

It’s always darkest in the middle of the night.
Behind every silver lining is a dark cloud.
The race isn’t always to the swiftest, but that’s the way to bet.
What better time to kick a man than when he’s down.
It’s ok to put all your eggs in one basket, as long as you don’t drop the basket.
When your back is against the wall, the only thing to do is kick like a mule.
When caught red-handed, act dumb and change the subject.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:16 pm

Del,

“I didn’t see anyone attack him.”

You did not seem him verbally attacked and a plump man in a dreadful suit aggressively fling money at him while berating him?

Ahmadinejad

March 17th, 2010
10:16 pm

I applaud the mighty Republicans for wanting to eliminate the weak, the sickly, from their country. Let the strong survive.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:16 pm

jewcowboy – thanks for the schooling (and your patience).

Heck, I deal with numbers all day (Excuse number 101 — it usually works!)

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
10:17 pm

The worst presidents in history…
Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Jefferson Davis, U S Grant, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Teddy Roosevelt, Warren G. Harding and William McKinley, Ronald Reagan all top Bush…just my opinion for what it’s worth

Ahmadinejad

March 17th, 2010
10:18 pm

Now that the mighty Republicans have shown they no longer waste time with ‘Christianity,’ they are ready to follow Allah.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:19 pm

@ 10.16 – “see” not “seem” … I think I am slurring my typing.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
10:19 pm

It’s not over til the fat lady sings.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
10:20 pm

SC, well said at 10:15…while I would do things a good bit differently than the current bill it does seem to represent our only chance to get the ball rolling.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:20 pm

“Bruno WHERE did you see/read that at? Please show me the link. PS: Please make it a LEGITIMATE link. thanks!”

Debbie, in case you’ve been too busy eyeballing the men at the gym, the centerpiece of the Democratic plan is a requirement for every US citizen to purchase a health insurance policy that is approved by the government. If you don’t, you face a hefty fine. If you don’t pay the fine, you go to jail. Massachusetts enacted a plan just like this a few years ago, and it has failed completely.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:21 pm

Attention, Attention!!! The below is the New Republican Mantra for 2010 and Onward…….

Here it comes…………………

Wait for it…………………………………

Wait for it…………………………………..

When caught red-handed, act dumb and change the subject.

Baddddda Bing!!!

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:22 pm

Kamchak,

Is “she” fat enough for you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIVfbylUU-M

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm

jewcowboy,

Inanity may be insanity but pardon the jargon if a pundit will fund it. Your veneer is not near as lucid as cupids but off the cuff I’d say even love is ruff. But excuse my unequality to your sequelity or maybe it is senility…I will censure all misanthropy!

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm

“our only chance to get the ball rolling.”

Which, quite frankly, is the stupidest argument I’ve ever heard. How is a step in the wrong direction better than no step at all? If you want to “reform” health care, there are only two legitimate ways to go: (1) Full-blown socialized medicine (2) Truly capitalistic medicine.

md

March 17th, 2010
10:23 pm

” In fact, by forcing everyone to purchase insurance, it will make the problem worse, as Massachusetts has already found out.”

Unfortunately, some folks have to have the 2×4 actually hit them in the head to know that it hurts.

We all have access to the internet, shame not enough have bothered to look at the numbers coming out of MA. Their “experiment” was evidently enough for them to vote a Republican into the Kennedy seat. Must have been closer to a 4×4.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:24 pm

Kamchak,

Or how about her…is she fat enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTegy6sBQVA

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
10:26 pm

Dusty

If I were drunk, that 10:23 would have made my head explode…

That’s wordplay to the nth power!!!!

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:27 pm

Dusty,

Why, my stars, you are a poet! I never realized…chef I knew…but poet…Lovely!

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:27 pm

Bruno: Debbie, in case you’ve been too busy eyeballing the men at the gym…..

Hey SOMEBODY has to eyeball them! And I thought you said we wouldn’t speak of that anymore…….

the centerpiece of the Democratic plan is a requirement for every US citizen to purchase a health insurance policy that is approved by the government. If you don’t, you face a hefty fine. If you don’t pay the fine, you go to jail. Massachusetts enacted a plan just like this a few years ago, and it has failed completely.

I’ve heard a lot of talk, from both sides, but as of yet have not actually seen or read the bill, (unfortunately like a lot of other Americans), but I will read it soon, (UNLIKE most americans).

Del

March 17th, 2010
10:28 pm

S.O.

The concern is that folks are really apprehensive as to what this bill will do to healthcare (which isn’t perceived as being all that bad in comparison) in this country that includes the financial implications. Obama, as evidenced in his Fox News interview this evening didn’t appear to have a clear knowledge either. It appears to most that this issue really needs to be studied further by industry experts, not by politicians.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
10:28 pm

Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhh—My eyes MY EYES!

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:28 pm

“You did not seem him verbally attacked and a plump man in a dreadful suit aggressively fling money at him while berating him?”

jewcowboy–Be honest for a moment. The guy with the sign was looking for a confrontation, and he got one. He would have been much more upset if he didn’t get the attention he was looking for. You’ve handed out far worse verbal lashings yourself here on the blog.

josef nix

March 17th, 2010
10:31 pm

Okay, looks like y’all will be able to get the Bruin to over 400 without me…will catch up in the a.m. Might be able to work at home much of tomorrow, but it’s still going to be an early one, so

G’night, all!

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:31 pm

Bruno: If you want to “reform” health care, there are only two legitimate ways to go: (1) Full-blown socialized medicine (2) Truly capitalistic medicine.

We already have both in this country — how is more of the same reformation?

JDW

March 17th, 2010
10:32 pm

Well Bruno, you need to take a course in Elephant Eating, it happens one bite at a time. I tend to agree that a single payer system would be most efficient but that is not going to happen. The full capitalistic approach does nothing but make insurance companies money. Logically we have to have something in between. I don’t think the current bill is a step in the wrong direction. It gets most people some form of insurance, it should reduce costs to some degree, and it puts some limits on how far insurance companies can push the envelope. It does not address cost containment as fully as it should, it does not address tort reform, and it could certainly put more emphasis on fraud reduction but these issues and more can be handled separately and will be much easier to deal with once a framework exists.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
10:33 pm

The guy with the sign was looking for a confrontation, and he got one. He would have been much more upset if he didn’t get the attention he was looking for.

And you know this for certain how?

md

March 17th, 2010
10:34 pm

“Obama, as evidenced in his Fox News interview this evening didn’t appear to have a clear knowledge either.”

May be why Nancy said we needed to pass it to see what’s in it, she probably doesn’t know either.

Must be like all the other bills they pass – implement it now so we can start working on the legislation to correct all the unintended consequences. I think us laymen call it job security.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
10:35 pm

Bruno

I think we could do a hybrid system. It’s the American way of doing things. We don’t follow conventional norms. We make our own.

First, use a single-payer type system to provide all citizens and legal residents basic health care. Require all graduating doctors to work a minimum of 5 years in the basic system to have all school debts relieved. Pay them a decent salary, and allow them the opportunity to do additional training to prepare for a specialization. This does two things. You get more preventative care for more people which lessens the burdens later on with illnesses that can be prevented. You also get doctors to work and not need those 6 figure salaries right out of school to repay debt.

Then, you let the capitalist system do it’s thing with everything else. If people are healthier because of better preventative care, then that should lower insurance costs so more people can afford it. If you’re only using insurance for major medical issues and not because lil Johnny got a runny nose, that will also lower costs. You also have doctors who have more experience because they’ve spent at least 5 years doing preventative and basic care. This should help lower malpractice costs because we have more competent doctors working on this level.

I may be wrong, but that’s how I see the future of our health care system. I don’t think we can afford a full single-payer system, nor can we afford to continue with a strictly capitalistic system either.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:35 pm

It appears to most that this issue really needs to be studied further by industry experts, not by politicians.

Good lord that poster from page 1 was right………these are the EXACT same arguments that were used to stop the Civil Rights Bill!! Amazing how the more things change the more they stay the same.

SIDENOTE: The “industry experts” don’t want anything to change.

Del

March 17th, 2010
10:36 pm

Jewcowboy,

Now that guy was clearly foolish but I’ve seen a lot worse. He didn’t appear in the video to threaten the man. Once again, not being there myself I wonder if the so called victim wasn’t a pan handler. They do show up in that type of venue.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:39 pm

Bruno,

“The guy with the sign was looking for a confrontation, and he got one.”

It shows more about the reaction of those verbally attacking him, than of himself. Regardless of his intentions of being there…he sat there quietly holding a sign while those around him verbally lashed out.

And for those who justify these peoples’ reprehensible reactions…then, well, I guess they must see something of themselves in these people.

“You’ve handed out far worse verbal lashings yourself here on the blog.”

So, I’m curious, are you equating my posts to these people in this video?

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:41 pm

If he was a panhandler SO WHAT? Who was he bothering? Did he ask anyone for anything? Why the disdain? Why the instant sudden hatred and loathing? The man was just sitting there — how did his sitting so incense the crowd?

Exactly like the Civil Rights Era — all emotion and no common sense or rational thinking.

md

March 17th, 2010
10:41 pm

“SIDENOTE: The “industry experts” don’t want anything to change.”

Now Deb, we all know when one goes down to the “industry expert” store, they sell them in all shapes and sizes including ones that only have a left or right hand.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:42 pm

josef nix,

Oíche mhaith.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:43 pm

md: Now Deb, we all know when one goes down to the “industry expert” store, they sell them in all shapes and sizes including ones that only have a left or right hand.

Yeah but I bet they have BOTH hands held out!!

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:43 pm

“We already have both in this country — how is more of the same reformation?”

DDR–The problem with our health care system is the misuse of insurance. Instead of using insurance as it was intended, as a hedge against catastrophic loss, it is now used as a primary source of payment for nearly all health care transactions. Doing things this way not only adds an unnecessary layer of administrative costs, but it opens the door for overuse and outright fraud.

The only way to stop this trend would be either to return to capitalistic medicine in which you pay cash for your services and have insurance for losses above $10,000, or to go to full-blown socialized medicine in which the doctors are state employees.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:44 pm

Del,

“Once again, not being there myself I wonder if the so called victim wasn’t a pan handler.”

Would that justify the hostility and condescension spewed forth?

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
10:45 pm

Thank you, SoCo and Jewcowboy. I’m a poet and don’t know it. argggghhhh

But let me continue. DDR has given us the Repub mantra of 2010 as “when caught red handed.act dumb and change the subject”.

The Dem Mantra has not changed and continues to be “when caught red handed, act dumb and ask what the meaning of ‘is’ is”. Compre-vous? Woohoo woohoo I see you and it’s a booboo.! <———-poetry!

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:45 pm

“all emotion and no common sense or rational thinking.”

Bingo!

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
10:47 pm

Bruno

Per your 10:43, did you catch my 10:35 post?

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
10:48 pm

Dusty

No problem…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
10:49 pm

Dusty,

Your lyrical turn of a phrase may be lost on many, but though we may not see eye to eye on matters, the sheer vigor of your verbosity rings veritable in my contemplations.

md

March 17th, 2010
10:49 pm

“Yeah but I bet they have BOTH hands held out!!”

I’m guessing you are confusing “industry expert” with “industry spokesperson”, where one works for the industry, and the other is an expert on the industry.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:50 pm

“Regardless of his intentions of being there…he sat there quietly holding a sign while those around him verbally lashed out.”

You still haven’t refuted my point.

“And for those who justify these peoples’ reprehensible reactions…then, well, I guess they must see something of themselves in these people.”

If that comment is directed at me, your barking up the wrong tree. I’m not justifying the actions, just pointing out that it takes two to tango.

“So, I’m curious, are you equating my posts to these people in this video?”

Are you denying that you have never been nasty to anyone here on the blog? Of course, you like to dress your insults up in clever words, which doesn’t change a thing in my book. The intent is just the same.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:52 pm

Bruno: If you don’t think that Insurance Companies as they are now are not “capitalistic” then I have a bridge in Minnesota I wanna sell you.

Dusty: Aw Shucks…….a mention from you is always a good thing. It means I must be doing something right……..

vuduchld

March 17th, 2010
10:53 pm

Tea beggers have become desperate. They see all their so called blowhard work whithering away. Don’t blame President Obama, he gave the G no P every chance to come on board. These folks never wanted HC, they think it doesn’t affect them and may be they’re right, but that is one big gamble to take. The end of the road is here and the people protesting against know they have lost.

I wrote in my blog several weeks ago that the first Tea begger convention in Nashville signaled the end of the movement. When Sarah Plain was seen on stage with written notes on her hand that was the end. I mena lets be real, the first Tea begger convention took place in a state where the Klan was born. The next convention, if there is one, will be held in Las Vegas, a city founder by gangsters and the mob. Based just on those two facts do you really think any rational thinking human being was going to take them seriously?

Jackie

March 17th, 2010
10:54 pm

Doctors in Japan, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand are NOT employess of the the state. These are all countries with socialized medicine.

In Canada, Japan and UK, one can choose to have private insurance if desired.

Del

March 17th, 2010
10:54 pm

Jewcowboy,

Me thinks that you are making a political statement verses an objective one. I’ll stand corrected of course if you were there on site and observed everything close up. If that’s not the case you’re only stating an opinion. As for me, I don’t know because i wasn’t there. Have a nice evening.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
10:55 pm

“Per your 10:43, did you catch my 10:35 post?”

Sorry, SC, missed it when my post forwarded me to a new page. I repeated some of your points.

Also, I didn’t directly acknowledge your 10:15, but addressed several of the points at 10:20 and later. I used some of Debbie’s quotes to bring out your points. You wouldn’t hold that against me, would you? ;-)

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
10:56 pm

Bruno: I’m not justifying the actions, just pointing out that it takes two to tango.

How was the guy with the sign “tangoing” with the crowd? Just asking……

md: Aren’t they one and the same? An expert is usually the spokesperson for the genre he/she is an expert in.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
10:58 pm

Bruno, interesting that you use the as the capitalistic model almost the exact plan I have. Couple of real problems, most people can’t afford that first $10,000 so that does nothing to address the issues of access and taxpayer funding for the emergency room patients that clog the system and don’t pay. Second for my little family of 4 last year we spend about $22K in health care costs including insurance. Nothing special that is just what it costs with a couple of kids. Cost per each about $5500. Sounds like a lot? Problem is that it is way under the per capita US average of $8160 per person which is by the way about twice the per capita costs of say the UK, Germany or Canada where most of the KPI’s for healthcare are better

http://www.kff.org/insurance/upload/7692_02.pdf

So how long do you think US corporations are going to continue to underwrite that cost?

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
10:59 pm

Nah. I wouldn’t hold it against you. I think if someone proposed a sensible plan like that, who could argue against it? But, hell, what do I know about health care, I’m La Migra!!

BTW, thanks for that soul train line last week. I needed something that made me forget about earlier that day.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
11:00 pm

“Doctors in Japan, Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand are NOT employess of the the state. These are all countries with socialized medicine.”

Who pays their bills?

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:01 pm

Bruno,

“You still haven’t refuted my point.”

Then, I apologize, as I have missed it.

“If that comment is directed at me, your barking up the wrong tree. I’m not justifying the actions, just pointing out that it takes two to tango.”

No…but it does strike me as curious those who dismiss the actions of those verbally lashing out at the man as he sits quietly, yet focus on the apparent misdeeds of the man being tongue lashed, though no mis-deeds are apparent. Doubt may exist in the editing, but until I see, I stand by my curiousity.

“Are you denying that you have never been nasty to anyone here on the blog?”

“A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone’s feelings unintentionally.” ~ Oscar Wilde

I, sir, am not a gentleman and have never claimed the mantle, but I do love a bit of snarkiness. I defend myself when I feel it is required. And give as much as I get. If one chooses to have a respectful conversation, I reciprocate…If one chooses to play in the gutter, I have no qualms about getting my trousers torn.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:03 pm

Del,

“Me thinks that you are making a political statement verses an objective one.”

Isn’t everything?

Oíche mhaith.

Southern Comfort

March 17th, 2010
11:04 pm

it’s time for me to call it a night. I’ll see y’all towards the weekend.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
11:05 pm

jewcowboy,

I sit in perplexity at YOUR cultured verbosity when simplicity is a necessity to the prevention of superfluous animosity, not to mention curiosity. May your inquisitive craniosity be quelled by my volative vocabulary. May the velocity of Irish inventions revert your mobile memories to capricorns and leprecauns in a jolly journey of joyful exhortation.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
11:06 pm

“How was the guy with the sign “tangoing” with the crowd? Just asking”

Form what I saw, he left his place on the “pro” side of the road, and sat down directly in front of the “anti” side holding his sign out in order to provoke a confrontation.

“BTW, thanks for that soul train line last week.”

I just don’t see that vibe anymore, unfortunately.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
11:06 pm

If that comment is directed at me, your barking up the wrong tree. I’m not justifying the actions, just pointing out that it takes two to tango.

Just as long as you “don’t dance with the devil” otherwise “your dogs will be barking.”

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
11:07 pm

Goodnight, SoCo… Be careful out there.

Del

March 17th, 2010
11:07 pm

Debbiedo,

No disdain because as I said, I wasn’t there. Now perhaps you were and if so, you are qualified to council me and others on what took place. If you were not there personally then you really aren’t qualified to offer up anything other than opinions. It appears as though you let ideology rule those opinions. Enjoy the evening.

Robert

March 17th, 2010
11:11 pm

For those who’s fallback line is “Bush started two wars in 5 years”, please try to remember how all this played out. If you don’t agree with the wars, then please pass some of the blame around to a few Democrats. Everything is not Bush’s fault. A few interesting quotes:

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

“[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …” Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.” Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.” Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002.

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
11:12 pm

“Then, I apologize, as I have missed it.”

The point is, jc, that you are trying to characterize the sign-holder as being some kind of innocent victim when it is clear to me that he intentionally provoked a confrontation.

“If one chooses to play in the gutter, I have no qualms about getting my trousers torn.”

And likewise. Just wanted to be sure you didn’t think “clever” insults were any less insulting than “gutter” insults.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
11:13 pm

Good night SoCo — I’m right behind you. I’ll just spend the night at the old house tonight, (I won’t admit that I’m scared to death to stay by myself, since I’ve basically never lived alone before, at my place), see you this weekend.

bruno: Form what I saw, he left his place on the “pro” side of the road, and sat down directly in front of the “anti” side holding his sign out in order to provoke a confrontation.

Ah Bruno you would’ve made a really good lawyer in another life. Good comeback; you can’t prove it factually from the video (like a good lawyer though you tried); but it’s a good comeback.

Here’s mine – The Plaintiff (Mr. Right) was exhausted from standing up for long periods of time and was walking towards his vehicle when he was suddenly overcome by exhaustion and was too weak to continue his trek. Mr. Right, exhausted, sickly and weary, sat down at the very spot where he felt fatigued and was set upon by a virulent, nasty mob and accosted verbally by Defendant (Mr. Wrong) in a demeaning and vilifying way.

Del

March 17th, 2010
11:14 pm

Taps y’all. have a good one.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:14 pm

Dusty,

I DO declare Miss Dusty, you’ve gone and made me blush. Shall I get you a glass of punch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aRMZ4ePmMM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjhtxfSMIWk

Clean House 2010

March 17th, 2010
11:15 pm

Jay —please post some videos of SEIU thugs…there’s plenty available. The real slaughter solution happens in November.

Bill Sherman

March 17th, 2010
11:16 pm

Would someone be so kind as to publish the names & addresses of these “no hand out” protesters. I think they need another scorched earth lesson.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:17 pm

Del, DebbieDoRight, and Southern Comfort,

Oíche mhaith.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
11:18 pm

del: No disdain because as I said, I wasn’t there. Now perhaps you were and if so, you are qualified to council me and others on what took place. If you were not there personally then you really aren’t qualified to offer up anything other than opinions. It appears as though you let ideology rule those opinions. Enjoy the evening.

I’m perplexed….I was talking about the “crowd” that was on the video not you directly. Why would you think I was referring to you? Naturally by my seeing the video and commenting on it, I was not personally there — however I wasn’t at the bombing of Pearl Harbor either, nor was I at the dropping of the bomb on Japan — however I saw the videos of those events and drew my conclusions based on what I saw in those videos – was I incorrect in doing so?

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
11:20 pm

JDW–You claim that people can’t afford the first $10K of care, yet most insurance plans already ding you for $5K right up front. With a few years of good health, most people should be able to have $10K in savings, perhaps in a renewable MSA. Not sure what kind of care you received last year, but $22K in one year is about $20K more than I’ve spent on health care for my entire 49+ years combined.

I agree with you that the per capita costs are astronomical. By paying cash for service, virtually all of the fraud, waste, and unnecessary administrative costs would disappear overnight.

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
11:22 pm

G’night Jewcowboy have a peaceful night (unless you’re married to a really hot spouse then…..)

DebbieDoRight

March 17th, 2010
11:26 pm

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
11:26 pm

“Good comeback; you can’t prove it factually from the video (like a good lawyer though you tried); but it’s a good comeback.”

LOL–My assertions regarding the plaintiff were supported by the narrator of the video, who we can presume provided a contemporaneous exposition of the facts at hand. And if it pleases the court, I would like to introduce into evidence a signed affidavit from several witnesses at hand who stated that the man spryly vaulted across the street and aggressively waved his sign in the faces of the defendants, who at that point feared for their very lives and responded in a purely defensive manner.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:31 pm

Bruno,

“The point is, jc, that you are trying to characterize the sign-holder as being some kind of innocent victim when it is clear to me that he intentionally provoked a confrontation.”

No…I am simply pointing out that the reaction of those in the video in not within proportion of a man sitting silently with a sign. “Got Parkinson’s. I do and I (might?). Thanks for helping. That’s community.”

Did he ask for a handout, or is that what those there inferred? Did they ask him calmly if he was asking for a handout? No.

“Just wanted to be sure you didn’t think “clever” insults were any less insulting than “gutter” insults.”

No…just more erudite. But, if you read my posts I rarely, if ever, give a slight before one has been flung my way. Though, to be honest, some posts are so inane, they do require some abuse …otherwise the person may think they are being coherent ;)

Bruno

March 17th, 2010
11:39 pm

Catch you later, jc.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:42 pm

Bruno,

Oíche mhaith.

Nice conversing with you.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
11:43 pm

jewcowboy,

Honey, take your punch and pour it in your pocket. Such piffle! Pout over my long suffering ancestors is an angst causing arrangement, an augmentation I abhor. Horrors! My mint julep has more merit than gollywogging guvment still taking from my till in taxes. May the embers of the sherman burn in your baleful bosom or chest, whatever. Atlanta will arise in the flames of foreclosure and the fortunes of yon banking business. Here’s to the happiness in our heartless heyday.

All that and goodnight, Pleasant dreams. I wax no more words.

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
11:50 pm

Bruno @ 11:20

If you have to go to the ER, and I mean a legitimate reason not the sniffles, you can dump $10k in an hour. I know more than one person who has. And they didn’t have a major trauma accident either.

Your point about using insurance for everything, remember when the idea of HMOs was first floated and that was going to be the be-all, end-all cure for rising medical costs? Turned out it didn’t work that way.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:51 pm

Thanks Dean…send us home…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYey2sKrpAc

Toora, loora, loora
Toora, loora, li
Toora, loora, loora
Hush, now, don’t you cry
Ah,
Toora, loora, loora
Toora, loora, li
Toora, loora, loora
It’s an Irish lullaby

Over in Killarney, many years ago
My mother sang this song to me in tones so sweet and low
Just a simple little ditty in her good old Irish way
And I’d give the world if she could sing that song to me this day

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
11:53 pm

Dusty,

Lyrical dreams of silken prose shall encompass us all with your eloquent passages.

Oíche mhaith.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
11:57 pm

You make my point Bruno, you have no idea what you spent on healthcare. I would wager for everyone of your 49 years someone else has paid for your insurance and almost all other healthcare costs. First your parents then your employer. You as most people in this country have no idea that you are being taken to the cleaners every year.

md

March 17th, 2010
11:58 pm

“md: Aren’t they one and the same? An expert is usually the spokesperson for the genre he/she is an expert in.”

Gosh no – there are plenty of lifelong “geeks” that studying an industry is all they do, that is how they become “experts”.

md

March 18th, 2010
12:01 am

“You as most people in this country have no idea that you are being taken to the cleaners every year”

And this bill does nothing to change that system, only adds more to it.

jewcowboy

March 18th, 2010
12:05 am

Dang…it’s after midnight..St. Paddy’s is over…oh well

My favorite Irish song….The Unicorn Song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EPsuOEH1fY

Miller

March 18th, 2010
2:34 am

An honest debate over the federal government’s powers vs. state power under the Constitution is reasonable. This point has not been settled and is constantly tested in challenges to certain federal legislation. At one point Congress passed a law against rape and tried to use the Interstate Commerce Clause to legitimize it. Thankfully, the judiciary saw fit to strike it down as rape could hardly be called interstate commerce and there are multiple state laws addressing it.

TnGelding

March 18th, 2010
5:04 am

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 18th, 2010
5:32 am

Pakistan charges five Americans – Young men accused of plotting terrorism there and elsewhere. -Urinal

But then you look at the picture, hidden away at the bottom of the page, attached to the wormy story, and you see a bunch of ragheads being led around in handcuffs.

The AJC would rather cast aspersion on America than they would the Islamic faith, just sayin…

cowards

TnGelding

March 18th, 2010
5:46 am

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 18th, 2010
5:32 am

Those handcuffs have to come off! Have they no respect for our sovereignty?

Did their football helmets fall off?

Karma

March 18th, 2010
6:31 am

Over 70% of Americans do not want Obamacare while the 25% – 30% that want it want the Government to pay all their bills. And I wonder how many in the 25% – 30% that wanted in the polls are illegals anyway! Obama, Reid and Pelosi along with all other dimocraps cand ram this crap down our throats but come November they will be a lot of dimocraps looking for a job!

jt

March 18th, 2010
6:43 am

Obama just wants to help defend us against those evil insurance companies. Just shut up and pay no attention to big pharma————-

“So the battle at this point is not reformers versus industry, as Obama would have you believe. Rather, it is a battle between most of the health care industry and the insurance companies

Of all the single-industry lobbies in Washington, the largest is the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers of America. PhRMA spent $26.2 million on lobbying last year — that’s nearly three times as much as the insurance lobby, America’s Health Insurance Plans, which spent $8.9 million.

Given this Big Pharma clout, it’s unsurprising that the bill Obama’s whipping for — Senate bill — has nearly everything the drug companies wanted: prohibiting reimportation of drugs, preserving Medicare’s overpayment for drugs, lengthy exclusivity for biotech drugs, a mandate that states subsidize drugs under Medicaid, hundreds of billions in subsidies for drugs, and more.

PhRMA chief Billy Tauzin, who was vilified by Obama on the campaign trail, worked out much of this sweetheart deal in a West Wing meeting with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Tauzin visited the White House at least 11 times.

Let’s look at those profits. Drug makers’ combined profit margin last year was 22.2 percent, compared with insurers’ 4.4 percent. Drug maker Merck’s net income, $12.9 billion, exceeds that of the 10 largest insurers combined.

Pfizer, which netted $8.64 billion last year, gave its CEO, Jeff Kindler, a 12.5 percent salary increase, bringing his compensation to $14.9 million. legislative process.” Kindler contributed the maximum to Obama’s election, and Obama raised more money from the drug industry than any candidate in history.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Dems-tap-drugmaker-millions-for-PhRMA-friendly-bill-87852997.html#ixzz0iWWsmnT2

Outhouse GoKart

March 18th, 2010
7:36 am

Au Conraire

March 18th, 2010
7:49 am

YESBAMA CARE!!!

CAN'T DESIDE

March 18th, 2010
7:50 am

MAYBEBAMA CARE!!!

Normal

March 18th, 2010
7:51 am

Happy Thursday Morning, y’all…hope you have a great one!

River

March 18th, 2010
7:52 am

First of all, in order for a “church” to help, one needs to be of their faith or at least willing to be present during their worship.
Second of all, the organizations that are charged with providing assistance to those of us with _____ fill in the blank do not have resources from churches listed as willing to:

- provide a van for transport to and from work
- provide a toilet and shower seat so a person can bath and toilet (no medicare does not cover this)
- provide co-pays for medicine
-provide $ for a nursing attendant to come help a person toilet, bath and dress
-provide shopping assistance
-provide in-home cleaning services, as many of us are paralyzed from neck down
-provide JOBS that will accommodate a persons particular disability.
- I have been on a wait list for a volunteer for 2-3 hrs a week to help with house cleaning and home maintenance, for THREE YEARS.
- I guess if I were a Christian I could go to church and these things would be taken care of? wow, that’s enough to make me convert.

Homie Clone

March 18th, 2010
7:52 am

YoBama Care!

Crackho's lament

March 18th, 2010
7:53 am

HoBama Care!

Podiatrist's Agree

March 18th, 2010
7:54 am

Toebama Care!

Mick

March 18th, 2010
7:57 am

Vote 4 or Against Obamacare?

March 18th, 2010
7:59 am

FOBAMACARE!!

Obamacare Support

March 18th, 2010
8:00 am

GOBAMACARE! GO!

Independent

March 18th, 2010
8:02 am

JDW, you make the point about reconciliation precisely. Every item related to budget matters, exactly why reconciliation was instituted. Now, tell me, how directly is ObamaCare a budget matter?

Roe vs Wade

March 18th, 2010
8:02 am

ROEBAMACARE!!

Mick

March 18th, 2010
8:04 am

I guess a woman should think twice before marrying someone named jesse james.

GoingBroke

March 18th, 2010
8:05 am

Funny.. even the Dems say this bill sucks.. but they are voting on it for the sole purpose of trying to make Obama look better. Billions and Billions of dollars.. just to make this man look good and folks are so start struck they cant tell.

Roe vs Wade

March 18th, 2010
8:08 am

I can’t wait to read the abortion language in the Rx bill. If Obama wants a winning issue for next november, then abortion is it. I dont care how conservative a woman vogues in her career or at networking parties for the young republican career climbers of america, if you can convince her that the GOP will take away her abortion rights, then it will be a democratic landslide in november.

Women demand abortion on demand. Period.

‘muff said.

Normal

March 18th, 2010
8:10 am

‘muff said.

????

Yeah Come ON!

March 18th, 2010
8:12 am

FAUXBAMACARE!

Erick Erickson

March 18th, 2010
8:16 am

IBLOWBAMACARE!

john

March 18th, 2010
8:31 am

The way Obama and Pelosi are running things….another Civil War may be the only way to stop them from single handily destroying this country….

People are country is running on fumes…these defeicts have to stop…the interest alone is staggering

Williebkind

March 18th, 2010
8:34 am

Georgia’’s umemployment is now 10.5%!!! Yes keep focusing on ObamaCare! I hope the federal government can give you a house, food, healthcare, clothing, security, and free sports tickets for entertainment. Yes keep focusing on ObamaCare.

Reflections

March 18th, 2010
8:37 am

The democrats are voting for the Rx fix because they believe they can add the public option later.

Democrats have to be careful not to tweak the Tea Party noses too long. Lincoln knew better than to rub the surrender in the South’s face. The internet is partially to blame for this born-again flat-earther birther secessionist blight that has descended upon us. You tube means everyone is a star, and personal expression, no matter how ill-expressed, has been deified.

Having a website is the new fifteen minutes.

Certainly a riot is going to break out during one of those histrionic-laced protests this summer. There’s always a “shot heard round the world” before a war, folks. (Now Emerson was a poet).

We seem to be marching toward a climax, some turning point of some sort of resolution. I hope it’s only ballots in November.

Anti-lib

March 18th, 2010
9:01 am

It’s great to see so many Americans protesting for something they believe in so strongly. This bill will fail because it’s bad for this country and our economy. Health care can be reformed to cut costs, but this bill isn’t the answer.

JDW

March 18th, 2010
9:06 am

Indenpendant, a tax cut is not a “budget issue” and I say again if this bill was not eligible for the reconcilation process the Republicans would point that out. It is fair game in the political process. If the Republicans had intended to limit the uses of the process they would have done so when they approved modifications in 85 and 90. The process has been used 21 times since 85 and 15 of those were by Republicans. They are just sowing FUD as usual.

ken

March 18th, 2010
9:10 am

Open wide, here it comes.
Just in, 500,000 more people on the street.

JackLeg

March 18th, 2010
9:30 am

pass the bill, pass the bill, well what is in the bill, i don’t know but pass that bill….. talk about mindless sheeple…. how about read that bill, read that bill, then decide…

Evan Waters

March 18th, 2010
10:57 pm

The bill is not perfect. But it outlaws discrimination based on pre-existing conditions- and for reasons I honestly do not understand, when given the opportunity to present opposition bills, the GOP in Congress failed to include this simple, morally necessary thing.

I have an autism spectrum disorder. Didn’t get it from a bad diet or failure to exercise, I’m fairly sure it wasn’t caused by vaccines regardless of what Jenny McCarthy says, I seem to have been born with it. So I’ve kind of got a dog in this race. And for some reason the opposition doesn’t want to end a practice that’s downright obscene in its inhumanity.