Health care debate brings out the best in America … or not

Demonstrators on both sides of the health care debate gathered Tuesday outside the district office of U.S. Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy, a Democrat from Ohio. The video below was shot by the Columbus Dispatch. Kilroy initially voted in favor of the bill, but has not yet taken a position regarding the Senate version.

Pay particular attention to the part beginning at .53 minutes. The sign held by the older man on the ground reads “Got Parkinson’s? I do and you might. Thanks for your help.”

490 comments Add your comment

NowReally

March 17th, 2010
3:11 pm

It’s very telling when you throw money at a person, as if he/she is beneath you or less human.

Obamania

March 17th, 2010
3:12 pm

The Tea Party protesters look like they were chosen by central casting. That incident could easily have escalated. It was a damn near thing, if you ask me.

It could be a long, hot summer.

Buffalo'd

March 17th, 2010
3:13 pm

The signs both sides were carrying mostly say, “hooray for our side”.

OK(K) Korral

March 17th, 2010
3:15 pm

The Tea Party protesters sure do look and sound like the Aryan Supremacists that used to appear on Oprah till she banned them from her show. Secession is alive and well.

Walk softly boys.

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:18 pm

Or not. Disgusting! What a bunch of losers. With freedom comes rational debate.

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
3:21 pm

Bosch

March 17th, 2010
3:25 pm

I wonder how many of the “it’s written in a way we can’t understand and it’s being crammed down our throats” crowd have actually read a bill? Any bill – at all?

Saxby Shameless

March 17th, 2010
3:28 pm

Sick? No health care? No job?

The GOP doesn’t want to hear from you. We already have the greatest health care in the world. Never mind the whiners who don’t have jobs or have pre-existing conditions — they just want a hand-out and they’re not really sick.

Normal

March 17th, 2010
3:30 pm

States’ Rights on the Rise

Several states, most of them red, have been adopting resolutions emphasizing their own rights or denouncing federal authority. South Dakota and Wyoming have declared federal gun laws invalid if the gun is made and used within the state; the Oklahoma House has passed a resolution saying they should be able to vote on opting out of federal health-care reform; Utah’s legislature has said the federal government cannot enact health-care reform without its permission, and also said the state has the power to seize federal land under eminent domain; and Alabama, Tennessee, and Washington are all considering measure to assert local police’s power over federal authorities. Much of this legislation has been championed and pushed by Tea Parties, but it’s unlikely much of it will last. “Article 6 says that that federal law is supreme and that if there’s a conflict, federal law prevails,” says one constitutional-law professor. “It’s pretty difficult to imagine a way in which a state could prevail on many of these.”

Read it at The New York Times

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:32 pm

We’re going to pay, one way or the other. Might as well include everyone and let those that can help pay their own way. But insurance is not an absolute necessity. Its very nature tells you most of us won’t need expensive medical treatment. But do you want to take that chance?

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:33 pm

Unless you’re a lawyer or read lawyerspeak, you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written. It’s very telling of our mentality when you see the way we treat each other. The days of sensible dialogue are gone the way of the 8-track player. I’d hate to be in some of these people’s shoes when it’s time to own up to their actions come Judgement Day…

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:34 pm

Normal

March 17th, 2010
3:30 pm

Secede! …and die.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Normal

I tried telling that to jt the other day, but I was merely dismissed. ATFE has jurisdiction over licensing of firearms so those laws will be done away with. It doesn’t matter if the gun was made inside the governor’s rectal cavity.

Paul

Is that you with the white beard and hat in that video? That guy was about the most sensible person in that clip.

Bosch

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

SoCo,

“you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written.”

Exactly. So why now are these people all concerned that they can’t understand what’s in the bill? I have, on occassion, had to read a bill for various things that have come up in my job, and even then only about 5-7 – they are boring, they are all long and drawn out and by the time you’ve finished a few pages your willing to jump out the window just to make the boring stop – so now, all these people are all concerned ’cause they can’t understand what’s in the bill, like it’s some kind of “black helicopter” type conspiracy. Puh-leaze.

NowReally

March 17th, 2010
3:36 pm

Whenever I hear the term States Rights, a picture of the Civil Rights Movement comes to mind. That was the favorite terminology during that time period.

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:37 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:33 pm

They were debating this today in the House. Someone has introduced a bill to change all that.

http://www.braley.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=303&Itemid=72

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

Well, those Tea Party people sure looked good and White. While the people rooting for this Commie bill were mostly Those People and radical women.

Heck, if I didn’t know better I’d swear the Tea Party people were just good old boys looking to start the Klan up again. They just make me a Proud American. Especially the way they throwed money at the cripple and told him to get to work if he wanted care. What a fine charitable bunch. It just goes to show we still got real Patriots amongst us.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

Looks like the real life equivalent of this blog sometimes.

TnGelding

March 17th, 2010
3:41 pm

Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
3:38 pm

You’re a treasure!

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
3:42 pm

Who is the guy throwing money…seems like a douche bag.

stands for decibels

March 17th, 2010
3:43 pm

They just make me a Proud American. Especially the way they throwed money at the cripple and told him to get to work if he wanted care. What a fine charitable bunch. It just goes to show we still got real Patriots amongst us.

Sometimes, you just gotta laugh to keep from crying.

Bosch

March 17th, 2010
3:46 pm

jewcowboy,

Seems like a douche bag? Really?

arnold

March 17th, 2010
3:49 pm

The lady at the end sounded just like during the civil rights struggle. “it’s not the right time. it’s being forced on us, etc” Well yes. Civil Rights had to also be forced. Medicare was declared horrible bt Regan and the rest of the Republicans. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:51 pm

Looks like the real life equivalent of this blog sometimes.

Do you think they were actors reading out our blog entries from one of the previous health care threads?

Bosch

There was one I read front to back last year that made me quit drinking for a while. My head was so screwed up, I couldn’t think straight.

TnGelding

That Rep get’s my respect for that. I thought something like that had been voted on before.

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
3:52 pm

jcb

seems??? I think he passed that point when he got out of his car.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
3:54 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي) ,

“Unless you’re a lawyer or read lawyerspeak, you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written”

You are certainly correct. The following is simply a bill to re-authorize transportation legislation already in action that costs the over $600B. It reads the same as the healthcare bill…where is the righteous indignation and fury about not being able to read it and comprehend it?

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/reauthorization/safetea_bill.pdf

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
3:57 pm

It never fails. Whenever you get a bunch of Republicans together, they tend to act like flaming a**holes.

Did you see that corksoaker that was throwing dollar bills at that man on the ground.

This is one lib like to teach that “conservative” a couple of things about manners…

HDB

March 17th, 2010
3:57 pm

“Well, those Tea Party people sure looked good and White. While the people rooting for this ****** bill were mostly Those People and radical women.”

Redneck does have a “point”: those who are for the bill look like a cross-section of the American people…and those who oppose are white….who wish to maintain the status quo…..and ensure that those who need affordable health care do not have access to it!!

The wealthiest of us have theor legions continually spouting distortions in order to maintain their wealth…..and have no compassion for those in need!! WOW!!

stands for decibels

March 17th, 2010
3:58 pm

where is the righteous indignation and fury about not being able to read it and comprehend it?

Earning interest in the First National Bank of Manufactured Poutrage.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
3:59 pm

Who is the guy throwing money…seems like a douche bag.

I wonder if that is the same way he distributes his largess at the local strip club.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:00 pm

Bosche / Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي),

“seems??? ”

Not actually knowing the man, I wrote “seems” because he might be a wonderful individual on all other topics or on any different day. That, however, does “seem” remote ;)

Perhaps he was just returning from a weighty conference with the heads of the leading non-profits in the entire universe and was distracted by the crowds in his way.

AF

March 17th, 2010
4:00 pm

Is health care a social good, like police and fire protection, clean water, and public schools?

Just because it hasn’t been a social good in the past doesn’t mean it should not be now. There was a time when there were no public schools or water systems run by governments. The rich had tutors for their kids and everyone had wells on one side of the yard and privies on the other. What changed that it became normal for local areas to build schools and tax the folks who live in that area for the schools? Is there an advantage or should we go back to no public schools? Even vouchers is a way of providing schooling, a way to redistribute income so that those who cannot afford to hire tutors can do so; isn’t that socialism?

We could do away with public water systems and just go private. Of course, that gives a heck of a lot of power to someone we want to operate out of the profit motive. If we did, I certainly would not want any “tort reform” where someone could give me poorly treated water and kill me, and then get away with limited liability.

Isn’t every public good that is paid for out of tax dollars a form of socialism?

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

Unless you’re a lawyer or read lawyerspeak, you wouldn’t understand most or if not all of the bills the way they are written.

I think that’s by design.

I like the idea of Congressman Braley’s bill. I do hope it they don’t outlaw no double negatives though. They might send me to prison if they do. :lol:

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

“corksoaker”

Using context clues, I’m gathering that word has nothing to do with fishing…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:02 pm

Kamchak,

“I wonder if that is the same way he distributes his largess at the local strip club.”

No…for someone working for a living he would just give her a brochure for this:
http://www.kinky-kellie.com/

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي)

March 17th, 2010
4:04 pm

jcb

That’s why I choose not to do political rallies. I used to have a problem with anger management and I’d hate to have a relapse occur.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
4:05 pm

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:06 pm

Well, I’ve never been to a protest but this one didn’t seem out of line. No broken windows, no clubs swinging, no tear gas, no one hitting anyone, no shots fired, no dogs, and no one mauled.

Since Bookman did not point this out, may I being your attention to the sensible people who stood quietly and were interviewed. They stated they would like a discussions and there were changes needed but the cost and the pure complexity of this bill was more than they wanted.

The man with Parkinson’s was the only one mentioned by Bookman. Here’s a man strong enough to go to a protest known to be noisy and crowded . I am sorry if he were truly ill but obviously the ones who saw him did not think so.

There were people of different races there and no one was being intimidated. It was not the place to go if you wanted tea and crumpets served on a silver platter. It was the voice of objection to the health care bill.

I thought liberals liked DISSENT and VARIED OPINIONS and looking at both sides. How many repeat quotes have I heard from Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers about the value of free speech for all??? Many many times.

The passing of this healthcare bill will be seen as an injustice to the majority. Therefore you are seeing protests. If you don’t like it, just remember, it is the American Way as approved for us in our Constitution. Grin and bear it.

joe matarotz

March 17th, 2010
4:07 pm

Do you know how you can tell the guy with the sign had Parkinson’s? You can’t. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn’t. All you have to do is visit downtown Atlanta to know there are plenty of scammers panhandling. One thing I can say for sure: the media was wetting themselves over this show. Call me a doubting Thomas, but who can say with certainty that the Parkinson’s guy wasn’t a plant?

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:07 pm

Southern Comfort (متعة الجنوبي),

“That’s why I choose not to do political rallies.”

I’m more in the mindset of Barney Frank:

“I would prefer people channeled that energy (from the Prop 8 protests)—whether it’s for marriage equality or employment nondiscrimination—into mobilizing and trying to persuade those who disagree with them. Notice that the NRA never marches. This is my continual debate with people in the gay community, many of whom want to hold rallies instead of doing political lobbying.”

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:09 pm

joe matarotz,

“but who can say with certainty that the Parkinson’s guy wasn’t a plant?”

Brilliant if he was. He brought out the true colors of some of those present.

Pogo

March 17th, 2010
4:10 pm

Yep. Anybody that doesn’t agree with Obama and his socialist agenda is an “aryan” or a “racist”, isn’t that right? Laying it on a bit thick there, aren’t you boys? I guess we’ll see in November who the American people trust. It could be Obama and his house/senate socialists or it could be the conservatives. Who knows??? It will be an interesting fall. I know where I’d put my money.

Redneck, I don’t think you really drive a beer truck, do you? I have a friend who really does drive a beer truck and you defintely are not a beer truck driver. That takes way too much work and time and seeings how you are available to pop up here all day with your sad satirical comments to demean southerners and conservatives, I would be willing to bet that you are on some government dole, aren’t you and that you don’t work at all. No, you defintely are a not a worker.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
4:11 pm

Seems to me that these Tea Party folks missed the part about sharing your toys when they grew up. They are so damn afraid that someone might actually ask them to pay thier fair share that they can’t think straight. They remind me of my 5 year old when she wants candy and doesn’t get it.

Funny thing is if they would stop, think and research they most likely would find that health care reform would save them money and ultimately provide better care. Is the bill perfect? No. Are they things in there that I would cut out? Yes. Is it a start? Yes

Matilda

March 17th, 2010
4:13 pm

I encountered people like that at Tom Price’s health care town hall meeting. Nice, well-to-do white people acting just like that. Shouting down legitimate discussion points with assinine rhetoric about communism. They couldn’t care less about people who have been denied coverage and/or actual care. (These same azzwipes fill the churches on Sunday too.) Disgusting. I immediately increased the security equipment at my modest little home. Learned how to use it too. You betcha.

HDB

March 17th, 2010
4:14 pm

“I thought liberals liked DISSENT and VARIED OPINIONS and looking at both sides. How many repeat quotes have I heard from Thomas Jefferson and our founding fathers about the value of free speech for all??? Many many times.”

Can’t speak for everyone, Dusty…but I DO!! The problem is when dissent is complete with DISTORTIONS and LIES….particularly those points generated from Fox News or the right-wing media!! Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/Sean Hannity/Neil Boortz are master distorters of reality…and too many people follow them like sheep!! Reading MULTIPLE sources to derive an opinion IS what should create an informed voter….not just repeating the bile that comes forth from the right wing!!

Don’t get me wrong…..there’s plenty of blame on both sides of the spectrum….but the greatest cacaphony about Obama and current issues comes from the RIGHT!!!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

They couldn’t care less about people who have been denied coverage and/or actual care. (These same azzwipes fill the churches on Sunday too.) Disgusting.

Don’t talk mean about Sister Dusty. She thinks like the godly Tea Party people and goes to church every Sunday too.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
4:16 pm

BTW for those complaining about the reconciliation process, a bit of history:

The 1995 Balanced Budget Act was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 52 to 47.

The 2001 Bush Tax Cut was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 58 to 33.

The 2003 Bush Tax Cut was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 50 to 50, with Dick Cheney casting the tie-breaking vote.

The 2005 Deficit Reduction Act was also passed in reconciliation with a 50 to 50 vote and a Cheney intervention.

The 2006 Tax Relief Extensions Act was passed in reconciliation. The final vote was 54 to 44.

Please note, all under Republican majorities and the world did not stop functioning in any case.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:18 pm

Pogo,

It seems a bit duplicitous to, in one line, say that those on here call “Anybody that doesn’t agree with Obama and his socialist agenda is an “aryan” or a “racist””, and in the next say that Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it) must be “on some government dole” and that he “don’t work at all” becuase you disagree with his posts.

“Don’t Make Assumptions. Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.” ~ Miguel Angel Ruiz

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
4:20 pm

“I’m gathering that word has nothing to do with fishing…”

Only to the extent that I would cut his fatass up and use him for catfish bait, my friend…

Night Train

March 17th, 2010
4:21 pm

I can give you the results from a poll I took from one doctor, he’s done with insurance. He is the majority owner of a practice that employs 5 doctors. He has stopped taking any type of insurance. You go to his practice you pay what he considers a fair amount for the 20 minute appointment, $110.00, cash, check, credit or debit card. That only includes his time, no free meds or any tests. If you need a prescription or additional You want to submit it to your insurance that’s your business. He will give you the ‘codes’ for an office visit. He let 4 people go that did nothing but insurance paperwork.

N-GA

March 17th, 2010
4:22 pm

That video let’s people see what the Republican Party is really made of……

Jess

March 17th, 2010
4:23 pm

AJC this morning. Fact check. Almost everything Obama is claiming about costs and savings in the health care bill is not accurate. Most people will pay more, some a lot more. Insurance rates will go up, not down.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:24 pm

Yes, Matilda,

Keep your doors locked and the security system on. Those nice, white, welltodo people are going to be over there breaking into your home every chance they get. Or selling drugs to your children. Or locking you out of the emergency room. Stealing your car. They are one mean bunch. Better get a bull dog ,too. They are a big help if trained not to attack your little ones. Good luck!!

Night Train

March 17th, 2010
4:25 pm

AmVet @ 3:57
Here I corrected your comment. 

It never fails. Whenever you get a bunch of people together, they tend to act like flaming a**holes.

Jackie

March 17th, 2010
4:27 pm

If anyone would stop and “follow the money” relative to the Tea Party movement, the hypocrisy and lies would be evident. Those with money are manipulating those of us who do not have as much to give them more control over our lives.

The Tea Party movement is driven by the likes of Dick Armey. Even when he was in the House, his temperament was that of everyone else is stupid and too nice, let me show you how to be a S.O.B.

What sane, rational person would not want to have availability to heath care at a price they can afford?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:29 pm

Isn’t it funny that when I wanted to talk about the Washington DC school voucher program, and how individuals were being hurt by the ending of the DC voucher program, the liberals on here refused to consider a small group of individuals.

Now, look how quickly they associate a few people with an entire debate. Could the term “hate filled” be any more apparent in their rush to condemn everyone that doesn’t agree with the unadulterated garbage they are sold.

Mr. Goebbels, where ever you are, you have got to be smiling.

The Black Knight

March 17th, 2010
4:32 pm

The incident Jay Bookman highlighted, which started at .53 minutes, was between several able-bodied loud mouth bullies and an ill american with parkinsons who remained silent in the face of the taunts and threatening postures.

We’ll call the skirmish a draw.

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
4:32 pm

Night Train, thank you.

Listen up Democrats. THE problem with the HCR is that you do not cut deals with the criminals and screw ups you are trying to replace. They have got to go. The “free market” paper shufflers. The trillions of dollars of waste, fraud and corruption. The layers of mindless and incompetent bureaucracy. ALL of it.

And Republicans. forget them. They are happy to do diddly squat…

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:33 pm

Jay

So there was no cut because Congress defeated Obama’s bill, but then you say what percentage was cut.

Get your story straight and please come back and try again.

joan

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

Figures that SEIU would be FOR this abortion of a bill. They won’t have to pay for it. So, if you are union or on welfare, I understand why you want this bill passed. if you are not–then why on earth would you want to have something that is going to raise costs and taxes???

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

JDW – Fair Share?? What the h*ll does fair share mean exactly? I believe I paid more than my “fair share” 8 years military, put myself through school with jobs and loans, lost my job, took a part time job, went back to school, got another job. I support myself, my family, pay my bills on time, don’t owe on anything but the house now.. yet.. I am supposed to pony up for people that would (in some cases) rather have a new car, cell phone, cable, internet, etc, than pay for their own health insurance, which I have had to do before. Please explain to me how that is my fair share, in this dont blame me society, I have spent more money than I make and now I want a president to bail my dumba*s out..

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

Jay

What about the school loans, Pal.?

Nobody wants to talk about how the dims are trying to decide the fate of all private American schools. Afraid to bring up the real face of the fascist that you support?

You are pathetic.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:35 pm

I suppose that’s the best you can do under the circumstances, Swamper. You got caught.

I stated what the proposed percentage cut would be.

The cut that never occurred.

Now you compound your deception with more attempted deception. Very weak.

Kamchak

March 17th, 2010
4:37 pm

AJC this morning. Fact check.

Media Matters also this morning. Debunked.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:40 pm

HDB,

You mean there’s a line of UNtruthfulness (maybe) coming from Republicans about Obama? Puhleeze….have you forgotten the last eight years of virulent “Bush did it!” and insults about every move he made? Now is not the time to act like sainthood has been instilled in liberals. It has NOT and never was..

Jewcowboy,

So this one video supposedly reveals the true conservative character. Really?

And the closed mind, brainwashed. switcheroo, socialistic opinions posted here reveal the true clarity of the liberal mind? Must be.

There’s a big picture out there and you better look at it. No narrow vision allowed.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:42 pm

I’ll probably get to that in the next day or two, Swamper. That should give you time to come up with a better story this time.

You do understand, of course, that the current program is already federally funded and controlled?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Jay

I had the meeting. They talked about Obama signing the bill. They said their contributions were down 60%. I think if you would get off your lazy liberal a** and check the numbers, most non-profits are down this year by similar percentages.

So go find something else to whine about, propagandist. The dims have not dumbed down American quite enough for your adolescent writings to impress all of us.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Yep.. those are some morons in that video.. could you imagine how spineless and lacking of character someone would be if they said the healthcare bill was a “boondoggle” and said no way would they vote for it, then turn around and say.. Gee thanks for that ride on Air Force one.. I will vote for it..

Del

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

Can anyone really say in an objective non-biased manner that this gathering was all about conservatives acting like a**holes? From the brief clip it was noisy, however, it was a reasonably orderly assembly of folks with different views. The only exception was some foolish individual throwing dollars at a guy who may have been a pan handler. Didn’t see any violence in the video clip. Not too much political bias on this blog.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:44 pm

jewcowboy,

I may have confused you with NGA, not that there’s much difference of opinion.. Same ol’ slanted stuff.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:45 pm

JAy

Thanks, dumb a** You posted again before I did. This time i copied it.

You are caught.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

GoingBroke, your Fair Share like anyone else’s is a tax burden commensurate with your earnings. Should you be one of the people lucky enough to be in the upper income tax brackets your fair share might increase somewhat as it should.

Take Warren Buffet for example, in 2007 Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/27/AR2007062700097.html

If however you are truly “GoingBroke” then your burden should decrease.

Bottom line is if you are one of the people that the US economic system benefits the most it is in your interest to pay your taxes and enable other people to bootstrap themselves as you have. Are there people that “game” the system and spend their money unwisely? Yes but not nearly so many as you imagine and not nearly enough to keep us from doing what is right.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:48 pm

Dusty,

“So this one video supposedly reveals the true conservative character. Really?”

I know it is St. Paddy’s day and Harp is tasty, but if you are drinking enough to be delusional, please scale it back a bit. Where did I make a statement like that?

Citizen of the World

March 17th, 2010
4:49 pm

Narrow-minded people are like long-necked bottles. The less they have in them, the more noise it makes coming out.

That’s what all these yelling and screaming protesters remind me of. Unless they were chanting, in which case a loud voice is the norm. But to stand across the street and yell at one another, or to yell at some poor guy who has Parkinson’s, that’s just indicative of a narrow perspective and a defensive attitude.

AmVet

March 17th, 2010
4:49 pm

I think we’ve found the latest incarnation of LA.

Tick, tick, tick…

Duel in the Sun

March 17th, 2010
4:50 pm

One certain truth in the Bible is that violence begets violence. We are on a hundred year cycle for civil war, but, like a hundred year flood plain, it doesn’t occur in exactly 100 years. We are overdue for another civil war. The violence we needlessly propagated in Iraq may come home roost, as it is written it might.

Our revolution was a civil war. Our civil war was a civil war. Now, we face a growing number of malcontents who have been popping up every few years as a new entity who want to secede. They form seemingly harmless groups like the Tea Party, but in each iteration, they gain strength and support.

It’s only a matter of time. I’m glad I wasn’t present at this partisan protest because I would not have been able to resist taking off one of my gloves and slapping that fat head at .53 minutes in the face, challenging him to a duel.

America: Ask yourself this: What would Aaron Burr do?

This election cycle and a long hot summer are going to combine to make pure Nitro and it’s only going to take one slap to set it off.

Jackie

March 17th, 2010
4:51 pm

The hard facts about health care and all associated costs are difficult.
The current premium cost for a family of 4 is roughly $1,400 monthly.
It is estimated health care costs will rise from 18% of GDP to roughly 45% of GDP in the next decade.
How many of us can afford to pay roughly $5,200 monthly for health care?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:52 pm

A commenter on my Facebook page makes the following cogent observation in response to the above video:

“When they’re done trying to deny care to people who need it they can go back to complaining about “death panels.” All without the slightest hint of irony.”

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:52 pm

Dusty,

“I may have confused you with NGA, not that there’s much difference of opinion.. Same ol’ slanted stuff.”

Coming from someone as non-partisan as yourself, I shall consider that an apology, and I shall graciously accept it.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:53 pm

Caught at what, Swamper?

What vile crime have I committed?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:54 pm

Jay

When they START denying care to those who need it, then let’s change it.

At this point, the US government turns down more treatment for Medicare patients than the insurance companies. But you work for the paper and should already know that.

Del

March 17th, 2010
4:54 pm

Jay@4:52pm,

Cogent?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Don’t you think that the posters here should know that you can watch them writing before the post it?

Wouldn’t that be the decent thing to do?

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:55 pm

Well, I have received a great compliment. The moderator has struck again. That means I must be saying something right. Since Bookman is busy playing Truth or Consequences with Swamper (who?) I will let it sit in all its glory! Yes..

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:56 pm

And Swamper, I’m quite sure that donations are down considerably.

But they are NOT down because of a change in tax law, because that change never actually occurred. Those provisions are the same today as they were when Obama took office.

Dusty

March 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

Anytime, jewcowboy, any time.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

Hey Jay.. where is that blog you did on the Democrats beating up on people at a protest?

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:57 pm

““When they’re done trying to deny care to people who need it they can go back to complaining about “death panels.” All without the slightest hint of irony.”

Or they can just go back to blathering on against “gay marriage” while holding signs about “freedom from gov’t tyranny” and “the erosion of liberty in the US.”

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
4:58 pm

Jay

I am not a tax attorney. I acquired a client that desperately needs my services. They are from all over the country and they are ALL furious with Obama. I just checked their website. They said they are down 60%, as I said that they SAID. They are actually down 38%, so they exaggerated.

Jay

March 17th, 2010
4:58 pm

Dusty, I see no sign of anything from you in moderation. Don’t know what’s up…

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

Jay,

What color tie am I wearing?

jt

March 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

Southern Comfort-

I hope you didn’t think me rude. I didn’t dismiss you.

Like I said before, Your ATF “authority” and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee in Wyoming. That is all. Have your federal lawyers argue with the local sheriff.

And federal law does NOT trump state law. Hopefully, we won’t have to prove it.

GoingBroke

March 17th, 2010
4:59 pm

“And Swamper, I’m quite sure that donations are down considerably.

But they are NOT down because of a change in tax law, because that change never actually occurred. Those provisions are the same today as they were when Obama took office”

One of many…
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/news/economy/charity_donations/?postversion=2009021311

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

Now let’s go back to discussing the matter of the privacy of the posters that come to this blog.

Don’t you think that they should know that you can see what they are writing as they are writing it?

Would you want to know?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

Fine, Swamper.

But it’s NOT because of Obama, as you had claimed. The proper thing to do at this point is to acknowledge that fact.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
5:00 pm

LOL, Jewcowboy, I never have figured out how imposing moral values on the rest of us squares with our right to individual liberty.

JDW

March 17th, 2010
5:03 pm

Swampy, if you did not know the guy that runs this blog or any website for that matter could see what you are doing as you do it, you desperately need technical training.

jewcowboy

March 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

JDW,

“I never have figured out how imposing moral values on the rest of us squares with our right to individual liberty.”

Cognitive dissonance?

Jay

March 17th, 2010
5:04 pm

And for the record, I cannot watch what you’re typing. I’m no expert, but that would probably require installation of some kind of spyware on your computer, which would be a crime.

We cannot and would not ever do such a thing.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

March 17th, 2010
5:06 pm

The post was an answer to a poster, Mick claiming that only in Georgia were people so angry at Obama. I related an experience I had just last night where i met with people from several states and they were all mad at Obama. Now what about that should I “acknowledge”.

And you might want to read a little about the reasons why donations are down. Theres a recession going on which Obama profits from every day in continues. So Obama is directly responsible for the drop in contributions.

Nobody cares about Health Care except people just dumb enough to be impressed by your pathetic little video show. Look at the posts in response. Heil, Obama. you know exactly what it takes to stir up the great unwashed, don’t you?

When are you going to post stories about Ann Dunham dying? I don’t they are are quite angry enough yet.