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	<title>Comments on: Obama cites soaring insurance rates as reason to reform health care</title>
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		<title>By: Ole Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like everything else, we expect someone else to take care of the problem. While we bitch and complain about issues in our lives, we fail to accept any personal responsibility for these, foisting all accountability on the illusive &quot;they&quot;. 

As with many commodities, value...that is, the price which the commodities brokers/the service providers can demand...is a function of consumer demand. Yes, accidents do happen, and the medical care brought on by these accidents is something over which we may or may not have any control. Medical care brought on by the ravages of age, likewise, is something which may be beyond the control of the recipient. HOWEVER, as a society, young and old alike, we have failed miserably in keeping our end of the bargain. Obesity rates, childhood maladies once nearly unknown prior to middle age, and a range of health issues which are prevalent in contemporary society are ALL preventable, or at least can be mitigated, by RESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. Eating habits, smoking, irresponsible sexual behavior, and an almost complete absents of physical exercise AT ALL AGES all combine to create an otherwise unnecessary demand for medical services, and insurance companies are all too happy to cash in on our slovenly attitudes. 

So if you are unhappy with insurance companies&#039; running roughshod over the medical services consumer, as am I, than do something about it. You may start with your own mis-deeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everything else, we expect someone else to take care of the problem. While we bitch and complain about issues in our lives, we fail to accept any personal responsibility for these, foisting all accountability on the illusive &#8220;they&#8221;. </p>
<p>As with many commodities, value&#8230;that is, the price which the commodities brokers/the service providers can demand&#8230;is a function of consumer demand. Yes, accidents do happen, and the medical care brought on by these accidents is something over which we may or may not have any control. Medical care brought on by the ravages of age, likewise, is something which may be beyond the control of the recipient. HOWEVER, as a society, young and old alike, we have failed miserably in keeping our end of the bargain. Obesity rates, childhood maladies once nearly unknown prior to middle age, and a range of health issues which are prevalent in contemporary society are ALL preventable, or at least can be mitigated, by RESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. Eating habits, smoking, irresponsible sexual behavior, and an almost complete absents of physical exercise AT ALL AGES all combine to create an otherwise unnecessary demand for medical services, and insurance companies are all too happy to cash in on our slovenly attitudes. </p>
<p>So if you are unhappy with insurance companies&#8217; running roughshod over the medical services consumer, as am I, than do something about it. You may start with your own mis-deeds.</p>
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		<title>By: dbm</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anything happen to drive up health care costs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anything happen to drive up health care costs?</p>
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		<title>By: Williebkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Williebkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not about health care it is about government control.  Fix STATE laws and the prices will drop.  NO OBAMA CARE!  The more you guys push health care the more the demand rises perceptionally and the prices will rise.  Oh no!   They have already.  Gee thanks progressive liberal socialists, you now have treated healthcare like you did the oil drilling.  We know how much that costs now and is rising again.  Progressive liberals are vile and disgusting and will bring down a country fast.  NO OBAMA CARE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not about health care it is about government control.  Fix STATE laws and the prices will drop.  NO OBAMA CARE!  The more you guys push health care the more the demand rises perceptionally and the prices will rise.  Oh no!   They have already.  Gee thanks progressive liberal socialists, you now have treated healthcare like you did the oil drilling.  We know how much that costs now and is rising again.  Progressive liberals are vile and disgusting and will bring down a country fast.  NO OBAMA CARE!</p>
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		<title>By: mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!</title>
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		<dc:creator>mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, chosen one, you could fix that WITHOUT national taxpayer funded health care.  mmm, mmm, mmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, chosen one, you could fix that WITHOUT national taxpayer funded health care.  mmm, mmm, mmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the most recent Fortune 500 rankings, health insurers are not even among the top-30 United States industries in profit-margin. Health insurers rank 35th, with a profit-margin of just 2.2 percent -- less than one-fifth the profit-margin of railroads. None of the ten largest American health insurers made profits of more than 4.5 percent, and two of them lost money. Health insurers&#039; collective profit-margin is less than one-eighth that of drug companies and less than one-seventh that of companies that sell medical products or equipment. It&#039;s also less than that of medical facilities. Yet when was the last time you heard President Obama rail against greedy hospitals?

The combined profits of America&#039;s ten largest health insurers are $8.3 billion. That&#039;s less than two-thirds of the profits of Wal-Mart alone, less than half of the profits of General Electric alone, and less than one-seventh of what Medicare loses each year to fraud. Health insurers collectively have one-eighth the profit-margin of McDonald&#039;s or Coke, one-ninth that of eBay, and one-fifteenth that of Merck.

In all, the combined profits of the 14 largest American health insurers (the ones who crack the Fortune 1000) are $8.7 billion. That&#039;s less than 0.4 percent, or 1/250th, of overall U.S. health-care costs, which are $2.5 trillion.

Anyone but an ideologue could plainly see that insurance profits aren&#039;t the problem. The problem is having a health-care system with too many middlemen (government or otherwise); too little competition and choice; and too little opportunity for Americans to control their own health-care dollars, shop for value, or even see prices.

Whats worse is Obama knows this (or certainly should) but he also knows most of his constiutents are to ignorant to see it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the most recent Fortune 500 rankings, health insurers are not even among the top-30 United States industries in profit-margin. Health insurers rank 35th, with a profit-margin of just 2.2 percent &#8212; less than one-fifth the profit-margin of railroads. None of the ten largest American health insurers made profits of more than 4.5 percent, and two of them lost money. Health insurers&#8217; collective profit-margin is less than one-eighth that of drug companies and less than one-seventh that of companies that sell medical products or equipment. It&#8217;s also less than that of medical facilities. Yet when was the last time you heard President Obama rail against greedy hospitals?</p>
<p>The combined profits of America&#8217;s ten largest health insurers are $8.3 billion. That&#8217;s less than two-thirds of the profits of Wal-Mart alone, less than half of the profits of General Electric alone, and less than one-seventh of what Medicare loses each year to fraud. Health insurers collectively have one-eighth the profit-margin of McDonald&#8217;s or Coke, one-ninth that of eBay, and one-fifteenth that of Merck.</p>
<p>In all, the combined profits of the 14 largest American health insurers (the ones who crack the Fortune 1000) are $8.7 billion. That&#8217;s less than 0.4 percent, or 1/250th, of overall U.S. health-care costs, which are $2.5 trillion.</p>
<p>Anyone but an ideologue could plainly see that insurance profits aren&#8217;t the problem. The problem is having a health-care system with too many middlemen (government or otherwise); too little competition and choice; and too little opportunity for Americans to control their own health-care dollars, shop for value, or even see prices.</p>
<p>Whats worse is Obama knows this (or certainly should) but he also knows most of his constiutents are to ignorant to see it</p>
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		<title>By: The government will save me right?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The government will save me right?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insurance company = bad, government = good, right?  umm, no.  Universal healthcare?  Paid for by the government?  OK and what magic bucket of money are we going to use there...keep in mind our Chinese credit line is at its limit.  oh, yeah, wait- we are going to tax to pay for it.  OK name a government program, including medicare, that came in at or under budget...

Insurance companies do some bad things, but then again every company does...actually the IRS does worse (who by the way will be the insurance police under the proposed plan).  That doesn&#039;t mean the government should take it over (and how many times has any program been successful with government involvement?)

The real issue here is cost and nothing from Dems or Replublicans has adequately addressed cost.  It seems everyone is just willing to rush in here...if you think cost goes down when Uncle Sam is involved then you&#039;ve never bid anything to the government (I do regularly)- the in-efficiencies always make it easy to make 50% more than we can in the private sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insurance company = bad, government = good, right?  umm, no.  Universal healthcare?  Paid for by the government?  OK and what magic bucket of money are we going to use there&#8230;keep in mind our Chinese credit line is at its limit.  oh, yeah, wait- we are going to tax to pay for it.  OK name a government program, including medicare, that came in at or under budget&#8230;</p>
<p>Insurance companies do some bad things, but then again every company does&#8230;actually the IRS does worse (who by the way will be the insurance police under the proposed plan).  That doesn&#8217;t mean the government should take it over (and how many times has any program been successful with government involvement?)</p>
<p>The real issue here is cost and nothing from Dems or Replublicans has adequately addressed cost.  It seems everyone is just willing to rush in here&#8230;if you think cost goes down when Uncle Sam is involved then you&#8217;ve never bid anything to the government (I do regularly)- the in-efficiencies always make it easy to make 50% more than we can in the private sector.</p>
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		<title>By: Morrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vote out the incumbents and start over</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote out the incumbents and start over</p>
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		<title>By: Vinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using Obamo-logic, then we should do away with government since the cost of it keeps increasing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using Obamo-logic, then we should do away with government since the cost of it keeps increasing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governments current meddling is the primary reason insurance costs are so high and the competetion is meager.  There is no cogent reason to think more government intervention would do anything but make it worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments current meddling is the primary reason insurance costs are so high and the competetion is meager.  There is no cogent reason to think more government intervention would do anything but make it worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff
Excellent point!!! While we&#039;re at it---why not hold Congress/Government accountable for the mess we are in!! Who in the hell are they to question ANY business?!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff<br />
Excellent point!!! While we&#8217;re at it&#8212;why not hold Congress/Government accountable for the mess we are in!! Who in the hell are they to question ANY business?!?!?</p>
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