In a twist, ‘al Qaeda Seven’ becomes ‘al Qaeda Ten’

The Obama Justice Department has grudgingly released the identities of the “al Qaeda Seven” to Fox News. As Fox itself acknowledges, it turns out that most of the seven attorneys “played only minor or short-lived roles in advocating for detainees.”

For example, the names of two of the seven attorneys appear just once, in a Supreme Court filing by their previous law firm. Another was a detainee defense attorney for seven months. Two others also helped file single court briefs, and both were joined in those briefs by the conservative Rutherford Institute.

These are the people who were smeared so viciously by Liz Cheney and Bill Kristol, operating through an organization called “Keep America Safe.” That’s the group that dubbed the attorneys “the al Qaeda Seven” in a video that asked, “Whose values do THEY share?” as images of Osama bin Laden flash in the background.

I’ll present the video here once again, as a reminder of just how despicable Cheney et. al really are. And then we’ll talk about an interesting little twist the case has taken:

As it turns out, the Bush administration that Cheney’s father served as vice president, that Kristol served as smirking cheerleader, and that Cheney herself served in the State Department, also hired lawyers who had done pro bono work for detainees.

As Fox reports:

Pratik Shah, an assistant to the Solicitor General hired by the Bush Administration, was part of the WilmerHale team that put together arguments for the Boumediene v. Bush case.

Trisha Anderson, an adviser in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel who was also hired by the Bush Administration, was previously an attorney at Attorney General Eric Holder’s former firm, Covington & Burling, where she helped represent 13 Yemeni detainees.

Varda Hussain, an attorney hired in 2008 with the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, was an associate with the Washington-based firm Venable when she helped represent three Egyptians being held at Guantanamo Bay.

“Varda has spent over 500 hours in the past year fighting to bring due process to our clients,” a firm newsletter said in 2006.

Whose values do THEY share? How could the two Cheneys, Kristol and their allies have allowed such terrorist sympathizers inside the walls of the U.S. government? Could the Cheneys themselves be al Qaeda plants, out to destroy this country from within?

Could they? Well, could they?

Somebody needs to make another video.

643 comments Add your comment

Jenifer

March 4th, 2010
8:13 am

“Could the Cheneys themselves be al Qaeda plants, out to destroy this country from within?”

Affirmative.

Mick

March 4th, 2010
8:14 am

Jay, maybe it’s not as dire as you think. Liz cheney and bill kristol need to be ignored, they have no credibility and are just spitting into the wind.

Paul

March 4th, 2010
8:14 am

So Fox pursues the story, debunks the commercial and shows similar examples from the Bush Administration? I think I read that correctly.

So much for the Administration’s war on Fox. Ah, bipartisanship –

[[Whose values do THEY share?]]

They have values? That’s another thread -

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:14 am

“Could the Cheneys themselves be al Qaeda plants, out to destroy this country from within?”

yes.

so, can we deport them, now?

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:15 am

dangitall, Bosch should be here … he says something about Cheney … I just can’t remember what it is … Paul, do you know??? ;-)

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:16 am

Mick

March 4th, 2010
8:14 am

And the Obama administration has credibility?

Paul

March 4th, 2010
8:17 am

USinUK

Yeah, something about wanting to go hunting with him….

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:18 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:14 am

Yes, Cheney is evil. After all, he supported the Patriot Act. Ooops! BHO extended it for a second time.

Normal

March 4th, 2010
8:19 am

Oh! Oh! Oh! I know, I know! Cheney is evil…Right?

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:19 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:14 am

And Obama didn’t shut down the “illegal” operation in Gitmo either. Hmm, can be book a seat on that deportation ship?

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
8:20 am

Before condemning Cheney etc., lettuce not forget about the liar we have installed in the whitehouse and his henchman Von Holder.

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
8:21 am

Its Bushs fault.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:21 am

Paul

March 4th, 2010
8:17 am

I saw a bumper sticker a few years ago that read something like:

“I’d rather go hunting any day with Dick Cheney than to be a passenger in a car driven by Ted Kennedy.” I just had to laugh.

jt

March 4th, 2010
8:21 am

Whose values do THEY share?

Politicians s#ck.

None of this changes the fact that there are thousands of poor Americans languishing in our prisons for lack of competent legal representation.

It just ain’t sexy enough.

stands for decibels

March 4th, 2010
8:23 am

a tragically typical FoxNooze reader posts in the linked piece’s comments page:

I know that lawyers will give you that old tired crap about “Innocent until proven guilty” and “everyone deserves legal representation and a fair trial” My response to that is that terrorist do not come under our civil legal system. They are terrorist, and should be treated as such, i.e., tried by a military tribunal after which they should be put up against the wall and shot.

Jay, how often do we need to point out to these guys that nobody has been executed as the result of a military hearing for nearly fifty years? Is our children learning?

(and now I really gotta run.)

Normal

March 4th, 2010
8:23 am

Bill and Liz = Boris Banenov and Natasha fatale. Nothing more than cartoon characters.

Southern Comfort

March 4th, 2010
8:24 am

credibility is relative.

Jus sayin…

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:25 am

Normal

March 4th, 2010
8:23 am

Sounds like you should be plotting big trrrrrouble for moose and squirrel.

Jenifer

March 4th, 2010
8:25 am

Lizerd Cheeeeeeney is to politics what Paris Hilton is to entertainment.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:28 am

Paul – “Yeah, something about wanting to go hunting with him….”

(snort)

Normal – 8:23 – I KNEW you went to whatsamatta u!!!

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:29 am

not jimmeh – 8:18 and :19 … and yet, O is making the US less safe … funny, that.

RNC Strategist

March 4th, 2010
8:29 am

They’re multiplying! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

Southern Comfort

March 4th, 2010
8:30 am

Hunting with Cheney is no problem just as long as you can always see his back.

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
8:31 am

Kristol looks like a nazi.

Just sayin’

Young Frankfurter

March 4th, 2010
8:33 am

The message in that 7:03 was that one can begin to suffer from delierium and hallucinations, amongst other things, when sleep deprived. The cure is to NOT watch a buffoon on red-eye TeeVee.

Mick

March 4th, 2010
8:34 am

jc
**And the Obama administration has credibility?**

Yes – he was elected by the people. Liz & billy? Know nothing know it alls..

TnGelding

March 4th, 2010
8:36 am

Well, I guess they could be, but I would call them misguided and silly. Not tp mention impotent and envious.

It was despicable, irregardless. The attorneys were doing their jobs of defending the accused. They should be commended instead of ridiculed.

It’s so much easier to criticize and denigrate when you don’t have to answer to anyone. Why does the media continue to carry their water?

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:36 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:29 am

“funny that”.

Hmm. I was just curious if you thought O should be deported along with Cheney since he obviously supports his “evil” and “illegal” policies.

Young Frankfurter

March 4th, 2010
8:37 am

One of my ancestors was Mayor of Oscar. He won the election year after year. He won so often that he became known simply as the Oscar Mayor weiner.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:38 am

Young Frankfurter

March 4th, 2010
8:37 am

I thought Oscar Meyer was the head coach at the University of Florida.

TnGelding

March 4th, 2010
8:39 am

jt

March 4th, 2010
8:21 am

Another national disgrace.

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
8:39 am

Well yes he was elected by the people, however, many of those young people are now suffering buyers remorse. This fact should drive them from the Dem party to who knows where.

It may turn out that Obama is the best thing that couldve happened to the REP party!

Normal

March 4th, 2010
8:39 am

Young Frankfurter

March 4th, 2010
8:37 am

:D

TnGelding

March 4th, 2010
8:41 am

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
8:39 am

…or their worst nightmare.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:41 am

not jimmeh – since the Patriot Act is the law of the land, it isn’t illegal, by definition.

nice try, though.

and, as I said – if he’s kept all your side’s favorite little policies, then how has he made America less safe???

Southern Comfort

March 4th, 2010
8:44 am

I hear all this talk about Obama driving people from the Democratic Party. As apparent by the actions of those Jay mentioned, the grass isn’t much greener on the other side of the street.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:44 am

stands for decibels

March 4th, 2010
8:23 am

“Is our children learning?”

Um, apparently not:

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.cfm?ID=1642

david wayne osedach

March 4th, 2010
8:45 am

Al Qaedi seven or ten. Enough already. Make them go away!

md

March 4th, 2010
8:45 am

First statement of the video:

“The pendulum is about to swing, America run by progressives, and we will be looking for those that share our values”

Didn’t need to watch the rest, that told me all I needed to know.

Partisanship will be the death of this country, not terrorism.

Mick

March 4th, 2010
8:45 am

It’s obvious that obama will never be popular with southern man but if you are throwing the word credibilty around please don’t even utter the name bush. For the record – I do not have buyers remorse – yet.

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
8:46 am

many of those young people are now suffering buyers remorse.

i have to get one of these crystal balls that knows exactly what all the “young” people and other age groups are thinking at every moment.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:49 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:41 am

“nice try, though”. Back at you with that one. But, but it HAS to be evil, right? After all, Bush and Cheney (who you said is evil and should be deported) were responsible for that “law” that Obama has twice extended. Try as you may, but you cannot have it both ways.

Also, you mockingly ask how things are on “side”. I’m not a Republican so I wouldn’t know. But hey, answer me this, just how are things with the local branch of the U.S. Democrat party in the United Kingdom?

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:49 am

finn – 8:46 – why? when we have OGK, it’s as good as the same thing!

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:50 am

md

March 4th, 2010
8:45 am

Agreed.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:50 am

not jimmeh – “After all, Bush and Cheney (who you said is evil and should be deported) were responsible for that “law” that Obama has twice extended. Try as you may, but you cannot have it both ways”

now, where have I ever said that Bush/Cheney were evil because of the Patriot Act??? hmmmm??? please. do point it out.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:51 am

not jimmeh – “just how are things with the local branch of the U.S. Democrat party in the United Kingdom”

well, since I don’t work for them, I don’t know.

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
8:53 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:49 am

:) LOL

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
8:53 am

BRB…time to go pollute the air with the DREADED SECOND HAND SMOKE!

Watch out all you healthNuts!

Jenifer

March 4th, 2010
8:54 am

It’s really ironic that what these attorneys were doing was defending the same American ideals that these “patriots” Lizerd Cheeeeney and Co. claim to defend.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
8:57 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
8:50 am

Try as you may, you are not the artful dodger. You claimed Cheney was trying to destroy the US from within and should be deported. If he was such the boogey monster, the why is BHO (YOUR guy) extending many of the policies that the far left decried as “illegal” and “evil”? After all, if he extends many of Bush?Cheney’s policies, and according to you Cheney is trying to destroy the UK from within, then one could certainly assume that you also believe BHO is trying to destroy the US from within. Hmm, I guess we agree on at least one thing in this statement.

DAVID: AJC Truth Detector

March 4th, 2010
8:58 am

I GET A BIG LAUGH READING LIBERAL BLOGGERS…..living in their own DISNEY WORLD

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
9:03 am

not jimmeh –

thanks for proving my point – I have never said that Cheney is evil because of the patriot act. if you must know, he lost what little respect I had for him beginning by outing an agent as part of a personal vendetta (oh, yeah, that note at the top of his copy of the op-ed was just a coinkidink and he had nothing to do with Plame’s outing). however, my low opinion sunk even lower when he advocated torture (while Bush was simultaneously saying that the US doesn’t torture – that’s what I always thought was funny … but that’s another story)

as far as trying to destroy the UK from within (or your interest in expat dems), I think you’re losing the plot. try focusing on one thing at a time. you are a guy, after all … we wimmen know that multitasking isn’t your strong suit.

jt

March 4th, 2010
9:03 am

“It’s really ironic”

No it is not.

This issue is not unlike Joe the Plumber. He uttered a question that resonated with the American people, and lamestream Media quickly condensed the issue down to if “Joe the Plumber was a REAL plumber. No liscense.” Pathetic.

This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with giving the accused council and a defence.

The above discussion is not the point and is only a diversion away from the nature of the activism and advocacy that many of these attorneys have previously involved themselves in-mostly on a volunteer basis.

The question is whether they have a predetermined interest above and beyond that of the usual defence attorney(advocacy) and if that interest goes above and beyond the interests of US citizens.

It goes straight to our wallets and possibly our commen defense.

With Holder and company, it stinks. Ditto Bush and boys.

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
9:03 am

“This is an extremely exciting find,” said Eng, who is heading up the careful documentation and cataloging of what is already being referred to as a total freakin’ blowout.

Archaeologists Discover Remnants Of Legendary Party Out By Train Tracks
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/archaeologists_discover_remnants?utm_source=EMTF_Onion

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
9:04 am

OGK – the only thing I’ll say is that giving up smoking is the best decision you will ever make. I watched my mom die of lung cancer – wouldn’t wish that on anyone.

s’all I’m sayin.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
9:04 am

md

March 4th, 2010
8:45 am

“Partisanship will be the death of this country, not terrorism.”

Reminds me of the two competing shop owners whose stores were located right across the street from one another. The one shop owner disdained the other and would try to rub things in his face each time he made a sale. He hated the other so bad he would do virtually anything to harm his business.

One day an angel visited the shop owner who had hate in his heart and told him he would be blessed with anything he wanted, prosperous business, many healthy sons to carry on the family business, etc, but it came with a condition. Whatever blessing the angel bestowed on him would be doubled for the second shop owner. So if he wanted his business to double, his competitor would see his business quadruple. If he wanted two healthy sons, his competitor would have four healthy sons, and so on.

The man thought things over for a few minutes and reached his decision. He asked the angel to be blind in one eye.

And THAT’S what partisanship will do to this country.

Mick

March 4th, 2010
9:06 am

I also get a big laugh reading conservative bloggers….they’re the type of people who believe professional wrestling is for real.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

March 4th, 2010
9:08 am

BRB…time to go pollute the air with the DREADED SECOND HAND SMOKE!

Well, I read a story yesterday about a 86 year old man that died from lung disease and said he wanted the sign “Smoking killed me” on his hearse and his grave stone. And that’s what happened. At 86, I reckon he figured he had another 30 or 40 years to live.

I say us Conservatives need to get a lynch mob together and go after the lawyers that defended these Terrists. Like the fellow said earlier, the Terrists need to be found guilty by a military court and took out and shot. And it wouldn’t hurt none to have the lawyers join them.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good day everybody.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
9:09 am

not jimmeh – 9:04 – TESTIFY!

Mr. Wrestling II

March 4th, 2010
9:09 am

Did someone call.

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
9:10 am

A husband and wife are shopping at Costco.
The husband picks up a case of Budweiser and puts it in their cart.
‘What do you think you’re doing?’ asks the wife.
‘They’re on sale, only $10 for 24 cans,’ he replies.
‘Put them back, we can’t afford them,’ demands the wife, and so they carry on shopping.
A few aisles further on along the woman picks up a $20 jar of face cream and puts it in the basket.
‘What do you think you’re doing?’ asks the husband.
‘Its my face cream. It makes me look beautiful,’ replies the wife.
Her husband retorts: ‘So does 24 cans of Budweiser and it’s half the price.’
On the PA system: ‘Cleanup on aisle 5, we have a husband down.’

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
9:11 am

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
9:03 am

Aha, you could my typo. Regrets for the egregious error. I meant the US, NOT the UK.

Still to my point, if you think Cheney is trying to destroy the US from within, then you must also feel BHO is doing the same since he has extended (endorsed?) much of the evil Bush/Cheney legislation.

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
9:11 am

“professional wrestling is for real.”

Cmon…even we conservative know that once upon a time wrestling was fake. But now it IS for real!

Gift Suite Attendant

March 4th, 2010
9:11 am

Sarah! Please! Think of the children!

Bob

March 4th, 2010
9:14 am

Mick Liberal bloggers think they have an account in DC called Social Security, which group is closer to being correct ?

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
9:14 am

Outhouse GoKart

March 4th, 2010
9:11 am

Absolutely. Just ask John Stossel.

Donovan

March 4th, 2010
9:16 am

Here we have a liberal journalist working for a liberal news rag trying to convince us that Pres. Bush and the Cheney’s are evil. This is the same guy who supported and voted twice for the immoral liar Clinton, belongs to the Democrat Party of Shinanigans, advances the cause of a socialistic empty suit president, politicizes our struggle against Islamic evil, supports the political company of Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Schumer, Patterson, Waxman, Rengel, Biden, and the entire cast of wing nut czars. You tell me…is this a guy who has any validity in what he is trying to put forth on a daily basis? Worse yet, he takes orders from Cynthia Tucker.

Bud Wiser

March 4th, 2010
9:16 am

Since when is it being “smeared viciously” to have an attorney’s name put on the record, an attorney who works for DOJ and therefore is being paid by those asking the question?

Once again, the leftist morons cry ‘foul’ whenever their Chosen One or his acolytes are questioned by anyone, or on anything.

What is viciously hypocritical is you toads singing your siren song when it is a political convenience for you, but shout down those that question your motives.

You make me sick, and apparently you morons have yet to figure out that you are making most of America sick as well, at least so far in Va., NJ, and Mass.

Polls are overwhelmingly against Obowo’s health care in its present form, yet he and particularly Pelosi urges his drones to swallow their pride, whatever shred of integrity they have left, and drink the Kool Aide, because it is what he wants, not what America wants…. at least not HIS Amerika.

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
9:17 am

Shortly after Health Care goes through we can replace all the lost youth in the Democrat party with illegal aliens who will also be given citizenship and the right to vote shortly before the election in November.

That thought might be the scariest nightmare, after “we gonna take their guns”, to any conservative.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
9:17 am

not jimmeh – “Still to my point, if you think Cheney is trying to destroy the US from within, then you must also feel BHO is doing the same since he has extended (endorsed?) much of the evil Bush/Cheney legislation.”

darlin’, typos are the least of your worries – you should focus more on your reading comprehension. go back and reread my 9:03 (this time, focus on what I’m saying, not on the non-point you’re trying to make)

Jay

March 4th, 2010
9:19 am

G’Mornin’ Bud!

Mornin’ Donovan!

You guys sleep OK, I hope?

Mick

March 4th, 2010
9:19 am

jc@9:14

Or lest we forget, andy kaufman – rip

JDW

March 4th, 2010
9:19 am

It is true that Obama has extended some of the Bush/Vader policies. It is also true that he has acted to end many of them. For example:

-Foreign policy
Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
The US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan

-Science / Environment
Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
New federal funding for science and research labs
Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports

-Domestic
Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House and on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
The FDA is now regulating tobacco
Proposed the end of 2002 tax cuts for the rich
Attempting to change current health care system that is designed to maximize insurance company profits
Ended lax financial system regulation enforcement
Proposed reinstatement of pay as you go

In fact the number of Bush policies that Obama has kept in place speaks volumes for the fact that is governing from the center….not the far left as Republican propaganda would have you believe.

USinUK

March 4th, 2010
9:19 am

Bud – “Since when is it being “smeared viciously” to have an attorney’s name put on the record”

wow. well done on not just missing the point, but not being anywhere in the same ZIP CODE as the point! the smear isn’t having a name on record – the smear is having their patriotism called into question – the smear is saying they’re members of AQ.

Normal

March 4th, 2010
9:22 am

Somebody wee wee’d in Bud Wiser’s Post Toasties this morning

josef nix

March 4th, 2010
9:22 am

And a cheery good a.m. to the day crew.

Is anyone besides me seeing a pattern in Fox and the Obama administration cozying up to each other? Did I miss a memo? What’s a knee-jerk reactionary to do?

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
9:23 am

nice list, JDW. change I can believe in, right there!

What was the most asinine thing Obama reversed? Limits on stem cell research.

josef nix

March 4th, 2010
9:24 am

Donovan–

He also voted for Reagan! Said so himself.

Letswork2gether

March 4th, 2010
9:24 am

MD said it best; Partisanship not Terrorism will be the death of us…just look at all the foolish posts…instead of trying to prove that Republicans are worse than Democrats and vice versa we need to Work Together To Solve OUR problems. Unfortunately, this will probably never happen and one day, when it’s too late, we will wish we had…

JDW

March 4th, 2010
9:25 am

Hi Finn, I would say it is a dead heat between stem cell and torture.

Astonished

March 4th, 2010
9:25 am

As the liberal, progressive (socialist)agenda continues on the road to failure the few bloggers still spouting this nonsense become more and more shrill and desperate. I include Bookman in this group. Bush and Cheney are gone…the ills of the country belong to the dems and Barry Obama.

Th

March 4th, 2010
9:25 am

Remember that Cheney and Kristol wanted to install Ahmed Chalabi as leader of Iraq after the invasion. That was just before the CIA found out he was an Iranian agent. Look at the elected leaders in Iraq and you see a line up of former exiles who were living in and supported by Iran before the invasion. Chalabi’s mouthpiece, Francis Brooke, let the cat out of the bag talking to the Washington Times the other day when he said, “Every senior Iraqi politician, particularly the Kurdish and Shi’ite parties, has diplomatic relations with Iran…” If Cheney and Kristol were not intentionally trying to undermine the US, they were certainly stupid (I vote for stupid).

No More Progressives!

March 4th, 2010
9:26 am

I’ll present the video here once again, as a reminder of just how despicable Cheney et. al really are. And then …

Despicable? Really.

Eric Holder, the Black Panthers in Philly, Holder’s law firm defending terrorists pro bono & Van Jones……….that’s despicable.

Jimmy Carter

March 4th, 2010
9:27 am

Letswork2gether

March 4th, 2010
9:24 am

Agreed. And since most Americans do NOT want this healthcare package, should we not scrap this plan and “work together” to create an acceptable package?

Gale

March 4th, 2010
9:27 am

I don’t know about the attorneys mentioned, or what their motives were (though I suspect money figured strongly), but we as individuals can have some impact on defense attorney’s that pride themselves on “getting off” criminals that should be put away for their crimes. I have personal experience with an attorney who bragged at our gun club about his success in a local rape case. He was shunned and no member would join a squad with him. There is a point where honor is more important than money.

Normal

March 4th, 2010
9:28 am

Josef, was just thinking about you. What are you doing home? By the way, why is it I think of you in Arnolds’ role in “Kindergarten Cop”?

josef nix

March 4th, 2010
9:30 am

Gale–

Honor is now an atavistic concept I have concluded.

Gale

March 4th, 2010
9:30 am

It’s the work together part that is lost on power hungry politicians. They understand ‘divide and conquer’ and the play the electorate very well. Until we have an educated and aware electorate, they will continue to play us and continue to NOT do the peoples’ business.

Scout

March 4th, 2010
9:31 am

Could “Jay” be a double agent ?

JDW

March 4th, 2010
9:33 am

Good point TH at 9:25. I think there are few better examples of winning the war and losing the peace than Iraq. Longterm it is going to be an issue again. We rushed those elections just to try and make point. Go back to Germany and Japan in the early 50’s. Elections were not held until 4+ years after the end of the war and infrastructure was restored. We needed an improved Marshall Plan and got Rummy-Bush-Vader on the cheap.

Paul

March 4th, 2010
9:33 am

JDW

[[The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed]]

Obama Administration supports rendition. So, what facilities do we render them to, if all the secret ones are closed?

[[The US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards]]

So, you’re okay with the Obama Administration proposing to incarcerate detainees indefinitely?

[[The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out]]

Phased Out??!!? He ordered it closed, like a year ago, and gave a deadline…. but ‘phase’d sounds cool –

[[Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports]]

So… why are Democrats suing his EPA?

[[Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information]]

When did we have a media blackout? Why did the media go along? What wasn’t being reported?

[[Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House]]

Since when does hiring lobbyists means their access is restricted?!!? LOLOLOL!

[[The FDA is now regulating tobacco]]

OHMYGOSH, tobacco’s never been regulated?!!? Wow!!!!

[[Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources]]

Is this some sort of weird genetic manipulation thing? So howzzat work? Farmers use 15% manure for fertilizer for the plants?

[[In fact the number of Bush policies that Obama has kept in place speaks volumes for the fact that is governing from the center….not the far left as Republican propaganda would have you believe.]]

You might wanna recalibrate your compass.

And pick a new source for talking points. Those were pathetic.

josef nix

March 4th, 2010
9:35 am

Normal–
Had a doctor’s appointment. In and out in 45 mins. Work today was something I can do from home, so boss lady told me to relax. Arnold won me over with that role. Go spend a day with the K crowd. You’ll get a whole new perspective on honor and honesty. “Johnny did you hit Billy?” “‘Cause I don’t like him.” “Why?” “I just don’t.” “Well, Tommy, why did you hit Johnny?” “Cause he hit Billy?” “And that was a reason to hit him?” “Billy’s my friend.”

Kinda sounds like Jay’s blog, eh?

joe matarotz

March 4th, 2010
9:36 am

How much does Jay charge Cheney for all this publicity? Hmmmm. Jay is always writing about Cheney. Could Jay be a secret part of Cheney’s staff, charged with keeping his name in the news? Well, could he?

Doggone/GA

March 4th, 2010
9:36 am

“He was shunned and no member would join a squad with him”

Thereby proving that even the most rabid “patriots” don’t have a clue about our legal system. No defense lawyer ever “gets his client off” – what he DOES do is show that the prosecution can’t PROVE THE CASE against his client.

Paul

March 4th, 2010
9:36 am

Finn

Weren’t the only ‘limits’ on stem cell research the limits on federal funding? Not lines of research? Not private funding? Not how to conduct the research?

Or do you have other information?

Hey, josef nix

It’s the new bipartisanship? Obama and Fox? Gonna cause a lot of heads to spin and explode. The source they mocked and railed against is now…. my keyboard just exploded -

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
9:38 am

[[The US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards]]

So, you’re okay with the Obama Administration proposing to incarcerate detainees indefinitely?

Paul, that’s two separate issues about a related topic.

Scout

March 4th, 2010
9:38 am

Nawwwwwwww !

JDW

March 4th, 2010
9:38 am

Carter at 9:27. The statement “most Americans do not want the heath plan” is really not true. Most Americans seem to be unable to seperate mountains of Republican fiction from fact when talking about the overall health plan but when polled on the indvidual portions of the plan almost all are strongly supported. The truth will do, take a look. http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8051.cfm

Bosch

March 4th, 2010
9:39 am

Did someone say Cheney?

Oh, he’s evil. Pure embodiment of the stuff. His hag of a daughter too.

Finn McCool

March 4th, 2010
9:40 am

Weren’t the only ‘limits’ on stem cell research the limits on federal funding?

Paul, is that a limit? Yes or no? This is like arguing with a two year old.