Pretty soon, it’ll be time to see the river card on health care

President Obama today committed himself in no uncertain terms to using reconciliation to enact health-insurance reform.

“At stake right now is not just our ability to solve this problem, but our ability to solve any problem,” he said. “The American people want to know if it’s still possible for Washington to look out for their interests and their future. They are waiting for us to act. They are waiting for us to lead. And as long as I hold this office, I intend to provide that leadership. I don’t know how this plays politically, but I know it’s right. And so I ask Congress to finish its work, and I look forward to signing this reform into law.”

But as Obama also noted, there’s “a fascination, bordering on obsession, in the media and in this town about what passing health insurance reform would mean for the next election and the one after that.”

Republicans are certain that passage of Obama’s favored legislation would lead to Democratic losses come November, and maybe it will. Some losses are almost certain anyway, given the history of midterm elections. (Historically, the president’s party loses almost 30 House seats and four Senate seats in the midterms.) Democrats are less certain about its impact, but given the fact that they’re going to get attacked on health care regardless, they might as well pass it.

But given how long this fight has played out and the various twists and turns the story has taken — first it’s gonna pass, then it won’t, then it will, then it won’t — I’m wondering whether final enactment of the bill might not have a bigger psychological impact both inside and outside the Beltway than most people expect.

Again, set aside the debate on the merits of the bill. I suspect a lot of the dissatisfaction at Washington in general and Obama in particular isn’t about the bill itself — most people have no real idea what it will do — but at the stalemate. If Obama is seen as fighting hard for and winning passage of such a major piece of legislation against such determined opposition, it could elevate him considerably in the eyes of frustrated voters.

The fact that many people gave the measure up for dead not so long ago would only compound the impact. So would GOP complaints that a strong-armed president is ramming the bill down their throats. That message might resonate with the GOP base, but for the rest of America — well, people do like to side with a winner.

Long ago, the Republicans made it clear that they would try to turn health care into Obama’s Waterloo, as Sen. Jim DeMint put it. By turning this into the biggest, hardest fought political battle in a generation, and then losing it, they may instead magnify the impact of an Obama victory.

Of course, that’s all conjecture, and even the conjecture goes out the window if the Democrats fail, which remains a very real possibility. If that happens, you can take everything I said above and reverse it.

Either way, Obama’s gone all in.

It’s time to see the river card.

163 comments Add your comment

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:18 pm

“President Obama today committed himself in no uncertain terms to using reconciliation to enact health-insurance reform.”

Nice knowing you, Dems.

saywhat?

March 3rd, 2010
6:22 pm

The Senate bill sucks as is, but is still better than nothing despite all of its faults. It needs to pass if only to get the ball rolling on more substantial healthcare reform down the road. Without a first step, the real journey toward a national healthcare system that works for all and makes sense will never happen.

saywhat?

March 3rd, 2010
6:24 pm

Re; Bruno @ 6:18 : Democrats using reconciliation to pass a healthcare bill in the Senate will have as much influence on election results as Obama’s “missing” birth certificate.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:25 pm

My song for the Dems in November:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bRjbWV7T-s

So long, farewell, auf Wiedersehen, good night

@@

March 3rd, 2010
6:27 pm

A different screw-over in each round. I love suspense.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:27 pm

“Re; Bruno @ 6:18 : Democrats using reconciliation to pass a healthcare bill in the Senate will have as much influence on election results as Obama’s “missing” birth certificate.”

Keep telling yourself that, saywhat. Maybe then one of us will be convinced.

F. Sinkwich

March 3rd, 2010
6:31 pm

It’s over for you libs politically if congress passes this travesty under reconciliation. You Obamaphiles can high-five each other and cart-wheel in the hallways of your elite institutions afterwards, but the political price you’ll pay will last for a generation or more.

America is not a euro-socialist society.

But I guess you know better and are smarter than those of us who understand the value of limits on central governmental power.

Cheers.

joan

March 3rd, 2010
6:31 pm

Democrats will now assure government takes over 1/6th of the nation’s economy. Given how poorly and inefficiently they have run every other thing they have taken on, it is no wonder that most Americans do not support this. There are ways to reform healthcare that have nothing to do with a government take over, but they refuse to consider them. The states, the universities and schools are seeing what Congressional reckless spending has caused. We are unable to pay for any of this. We are bankrupt as a nation, both fiscally, and morally, and well on our way to hyper inflation, and breadlines. I hope all you Progressives, who know, so much better than economists and Doctors, what is good for the American people, will be happy when we are all in the crapper together.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:31 pm

Curious Observer

March 3rd, 2010
6:33 pm

Too bad Obama didn’t exercise that leadership before work on the healthcare bill began. If the White House had provided some kind of outline for a healthcare bill, we wouldn’t have had this feeding frenzy that became the Senate bill. Turn over a healthcare task with a tabula rasa as a starting point, and the results are going to be predictable among these greedy, self-serving senators.

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
6:34 pm

Bruno
@ 6:25

And in the same time and place…jus’ sayin…be careful what you ask for…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQyGBinRB04

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
6:38 pm

“Again, set aside the debate on the merits of the bill. I suspect a lot of the dissatisfaction at Washington in general and Obama in particular isn’t about the bill itself — most people have no real idea what it will do — but at the stalemate.”

I’ll offer many in Congress have no real idea what it will do. I’ll also offer for months and months and months our Great Communicator could not, in specific terms, tell the average family what it would mean for them. Sometimes people want a tidy, bullet-point paper, not the transcript of an hour-long speech.

Yeah, people are sick of stalemates (takin’ a page from the TP playbook?) but I also submit they are pretty fed up with the process this took. The Pres punted. Congressional Dems didn’t (sports analogy time) field a unified offense and a unified defense; rather, they fielded about a dozen special teams, all on the field at once and fighting each other.

There’s a reason this has stretched out over a year.

Anybody see Mitt Romney on Letterman? He distilled Massachusetts health care reform and how it applies to the country in a few statements. Overall concept. Specifics of action. How it could apply to the country. I may have doubts about the approach, but darn, I got what he meant right away. He’ll be a force to be reckoned with in the next go-around.

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
6:39 pm

hey josef nix

Note for you downstairs before I saw everyone headed here.

F. Sinkwich

March 3rd, 2010
6:42 pm

Good post, joan.

Thanks to the progressives we’re swirling down the toilet bowl of liberal socialism. The sad part is that they don’t seem to care; it’s as though they hope our country craters.

Go figure.

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
6:42 pm

We owe Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney an apology. They were right about Barack Obama. They were right about the corporate state. They had the courage of their convictions and they stood fast despite wholesale defections and ridicule by liberals and progressives.

Obama lies as cravenly, if not as crudely, as George W. Bush. He promised us that the transfer of $12.8 trillion in taxpayer money to Wall Street would open up credit and lending to the average consumer. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), however, admitted last week that banks have reduced lending at the sharpest pace since 1942. As a senator, Obama promised he would filibuster amendments to the FISA Reform Act that retroactively made legal the wiretapping and monitoring of millions of American citizens without warrant; instead he supported passage of the loathsome legislation. He told us he would withdraw American troops from Iraq, close the detention facility at Guantánamo, end torture, restore civil liberties such as habeas corpus and create new jobs. None of this has happened.

He is shoving a health care bill down our throats that would give hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to the private health insurance industry in the form of subsidies, and force millions of uninsured Americans to buy insurers’ defective products. These policies would come with ever-rising co-pays, deductibles and premiums and see most of the seriously ill left bankrupt and unable to afford medical care. Obama did nothing to halt the collapse of the Copenhagen climate conference, after promising meaningful environmental reform, and has left us at the mercy of corporations such as ExxonMobil. He empowers Israel’s brutal apartheid state. He has expanded the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where hundreds of civilians, including entire families, have been slaughtered by sophisticated weapons systems such as the Hellfire missile, which sucks the air out of victims’ lungs. And he is delivering war and death to Yemen, Somalia and perhaps Iran.

The illegal wars and occupations, the largest transference of wealth upward in American history and the egregious assault on civil liberties, all begun under George W. Bush, raise only a flicker of tepid protest from liberals when propagated by the Democrats. Liberals, unlike the right wing, are emotionally disabled. They appear not to feel. The tea-party protesters, the myopic supporters of Sarah Palin, the veterans signing up for Oath Keepers and the myriad of armed patriot groups have swept into their ranks legions of disenfranchised workers, angry libertarians, John Birchers and many who, until now, were never politically active. They articulate a legitimate rage. Yet liberals continue to speak in the bloodless language of issues and policies, and leave emotion and anger to the protofascists. Take a look at the 3,000-word suicide note left by Joe Stack, who flew his Piper Cherokee last month into an IRS office in Austin, Texas, murdering an IRS worker and injuring dozens. He was not alone in his rage.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/ralph_nader_was_right_about_barack_obama_20100301/

getalife

March 3rd, 2010
6:42 pm

You will take that mandate (corporate welfare) or pay the fine.

I don’t think they can solve the huge problem of financial reform without loop holes.

You just can’t trust them.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:43 pm

josef @ 6:34.

And the song for the Republicans, picking up on AmVet’s Cars theme from below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNyCn15B2F4

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
6:43 pm

joan

[[Democrats will now assure government takes over 1/6th of the nation’s economy. ]]

How much of health care spending does the gov’t now control? Is the 1/6 an additional amount? Or is 1/6 what is currently controlled, and the bill will expand within that? If so, any idea by how much?

[[Given how poorly and inefficiently they have run every other thing they have taken on, it is no wonder that most Americans do not support this. ]]

Please, please, please… every time that talking point is used there’s an avalanche of examples of well-run programs. You sure you don’t want to modify that statement? It may gain some credibility.

obozo October 2012

March 3rd, 2010
6:44 pm

Uh, I am going to pass my health care legislation. Really I am. I must. It is good. Bush is bad. Blah, blah, blah.

After all, you Americans are too stupid to know what it is, like Jay Bookman says, and to wash yourselves in proper intervals. Morons.

I know what is good for you so quell your mindless anger and put your life and health in the total control of our perfect, lovely government, run by brainiacs like me.

You mouth breathers.

Allah Akbar!

Yes I can!

mmm, mmmm, hiccup!

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
6:44 pm

PAUL

Gotcha! :-)

AmVET

Hey, and good to have ya back…the Curmudgeon Club was missing you!

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
6:47 pm

Hey AmVet

Good to have you back.

Provocative post. This is gonna be fuuuuuuunnnnnn. If anyone takes on any of those points, that is -

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
6:49 pm

Our Constitution forbids that the government should require freeborn American citizens from purchasing anything, just sayin….

This is not the president’s job, why this ass reads more to protect and defend is anybody’s guess, maybe he has the delirium tremons from his rampant alcoholism, this does help explain.

Crash your empty freaking heads through the brick walls for nothing, it will never become law and you will lose your political power for generations to come.

Works for me.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:50 pm

“He is shoving a health care bill down our throats that would give hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to the private health insurance industry in the form of subsidies, and force millions of uninsured Americans to buy insurers’ defective products.”

You’re singing my song, AmVet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BpLFeG3Jos

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
6:50 pm

Anything short of free, universal health care was doomed to this type of horsesh*t from the git-go.

RW-(the original)

March 3rd, 2010
6:51 pm

Well Obama did say today that the time for talk is over so it must be close to done. Then again, maybe he just likes to hear himself say that

F. Sinkwich

March 3rd, 2010
6:51 pm

Hey AmVet, that rant was pretty loony — just saying.

You been taking your meds? Maybe you should back off on them a little.

You’re welcome.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
6:52 pm

Oh, and if all fails, find me a nice jail cell to martyr myself in, just sayin….

That’ll look real good, locking people up who don’t obey.

I’m willing to sacrifice myself.

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
6:52 pm

Paul, let the revolution begin.

Death to the Democrats. And torture those f-cking Republicans…

The timidity of the left exposes its cowardice, lack of a moral compass and mounting political impotence. The left stands for nothing. The damage Obama and the Democrats have done is immense. But the damage liberals do the longer they beg Obama and the Democrats for a few scraps is worse. It is time to walk out on the Democrats. It is time to back alternative third-party candidates and grass-roots movements, no matter how marginal such support may be. If we do not take a stand soon we must prepare for the rise of a frightening protofascist movement, one that is already gaining huge ground among the permanently unemployed, a frightened middle class and frustrated low-wage workers. We are, even more than Glenn Beck or tea-party protesters, responsible for the gusts fanning the flames of right-wing revolt because we have failed to articulate a credible alternative.

Howz that josef?

I may be a lot of things, but timid ain’t one…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLD-7bCtME

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:56 pm

In keeping with Jay’s poker theme, I would say that the Dems are all-in and drawing dead due to the health care bill fiasco.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
6:56 pm

Obama Now Selling Judgeships for Health Care Votes?
Obama names brother of undecided House Dem to Appeals Court.

Does civil order and the rule of law even matter anymore?

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
6:58 pm

“I may be a lot of things, but timid ain’t one…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOA4ixV-3jU

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
7:01 pm

B, the Cry of Love.

By late 1972 I thought my musical palette was already pretty sophisticated but when I got turned onto some deep Hendrix stuff, I realized i was just kidding myself…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNGgxgbn9k

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
7:02 pm

“Does civil order and the rule of law even matter anymore?”

I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question, Reporter.

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
7:12 pm

AmVet

I think you frightened them….

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
7:13 pm

“when I got turned onto some deep Hendrix stuff”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcNy07L1zs&feature=related

TW

March 3rd, 2010
7:24 pm

The arrogant moron in the back of the class has always picked on the brainiac who sits up front.

And he gathers lots of support, because the brainiac won’t fight back.

Until the brainiac, having finally had enough, drops a haymaker in the middle of the bully’s face.

And from then on, the bully is less than zero :)

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
7:27 pm

Question–

You’re diabetic. You have no insurance. What will it cost you to survive for one month?

kayaker 71

March 3rd, 2010
7:29 pm

So Bozo wants us to believe that he knows what it better for the electorate that they do. The majority of Americans do not want Bozo care and he is not listening. He doesn’t listen to the mood of the electorate on a regular basis. That is the mark of a narcissist…… do not challenge me, do not disagree with me, listen only to what I have to say and disregard what the majority is saying. America is not ready for this kind of spin. We just don’t want what he is selling. The only one that doesn’t realize it is him.

joan

March 3rd, 2010
7:34 pm

Paul, the President said it was 1/6th of the economy, but then he lies. Google healthcare 1/6 economy and read all about it. About all those great government programs–like what? Our public schools? Medicare/Medicaid (forget about the fraud and abuse of course), Social Security, the purchase of very expensive hammers. And when they give money to banks they don’t even get a “deal” like any businessman would–that is, that the banks would actually have to loan the money. Most of the Congressmen must be idiots–well, at least political hacks.

F. Sinkwich

March 3rd, 2010
7:34 pm

“You’re diabetic. You have no insurance. What will it cost you to survive for one month?”

I give up. Please share.

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
7:34 pm

Paul, maybe, but I doubt it.

But I’ll say it again.

90% of Americans think this country is in decline.

75% think corporations have too much control.

66% think the two major political parties are failing them.

And I am not at all convinced there won’t be a second even bigger economic implosion in the upcoming years.

Did the equation on Wall Street and in Washington fundamentally change?

We both know the answer.

Yet, like spring baseball, hope springs eternal….

Bruno, arguably the greatest song of the entire decade.

I can’t stand this indecsion
Married with a lack of vision.

Wow…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD_DyoB4Cjs&feature=PlayList&p=DE3905D7CFB0C178&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

Cherokee

March 3rd, 2010
7:37 pm

And when the majority of Americans learn what’s really in the bill, and how they will benefit, and that the meme about “taking over one sixth of the economy” is a lie, Republicans will lose control of government for a generation.

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
7:37 pm

Sinkwich..

Right at $650.00…

F. Sinkwich

March 3rd, 2010
7:40 pm

Thanks josef.

But I guess I still don’t get the point.

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
7:40 pm

Tsa-la-gi @ 7:37

Not a Republican myself, but if the Dems want to keep control, they’ve got to give up this idea that the GOP is dead…dangerous line of though and builds a complacency which has already begun to take its toll…I don’t presuppose to predict the future, but that dead horse still has some kick…

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
7:43 pm

joan

My point was, if health care comprises 1/6 of the economy (and I’ve yet to have anyone show me how that was calculated – people just accept it as fact) and if the gov’t already controls a substantial part of that, then to say it’s a takeover of 1/6 is inaccurate. What’s being taken over is some portion of that 1/6 not already under gov’t control.

Hey, exactly what’s being taken over, anyhow, in the cost category? It’s kinda a simple question.

Social Security? You really think gov’t does a poor job of getting those deposits out to seniors, widows, orphans and the disabled each month? If you’re upset about Congress raiding the bank, that really has nothing to do with how well the customers are treated. You really think the military’s inept? EPA can’t handle pollution complaints? FDA can’t respond to a tainted food outbreak? Gov’t boards license physicians who shouldn’t be licensed?

I think you exaggerated a bit –

BTW – that ‘hammers’ (and toilet seat) example regarding Defense is oh, about 40 years out of date.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
7:43 pm

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 3rd, 2010
7:46 pm

I still think this health care bill should be called the Health Insurance Company Relief Act. It will solve very little, leaving us with the system we have now, which isn’t good for doctors or patients.

Bruno
Thanks for the tunes downstairs. Tasty steel work on “Panama Red”; was that Jerry? I know he played the steel on “Teach Your Children”.

@@
Good to see somebody else appreciates Hoyt.

Josef
Your story about finding the wrong answers reminds me of when I was in Vo/Tech school. I had an instructor who had spent years in his field and was very good in both his field and as a teacher. One day he was taking some sort of practice test for some kind of certification he had to get. He called me up to his desk and said, “You can read a micrometer can’t you?” I said I could and he said, “Tell me what the answer to this question is”. (It was multiple choice.) I looked at the reading he was supposed to interpret and I said, “I don’t know what to tell you but the right answer isn’t one of your choices.” He said, “Yeah, that’s what I thought but I figured, surely, I was misreading something”. Maybe the testing people need to be tested.

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
7:46 pm

Sinkwich–

The point is that this is just one of many manageable conditions which, with the proper treatment, allow the individual to continue to be a productive member of society. The pharmaceutical companies have a stranglehold on their product and can charge pretty much what they want. Loose your job and your insurance, and before long it’s public assistance just to meet the cost of staying alive…

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
7:48 pm

Cherokee

What’s really in the bill?

I think that’s one of the Democratic failings in this – lack of simple, straightfoward communication.

AmVet

“Did the equation on Wall Street and in Washington fundamentally change?”

Footstomp and Bingo!! and…. does my answer (think the readers) depend on if it’s my guy and my party in power?

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 3rd, 2010
7:49 pm

Yet, like spring baseball, hope springs eternal….

I’m a Cub fan; April truly is the cruelest month.

F. Sinkwich

March 3rd, 2010
7:50 pm

josef, so does that mean you want to force me to pay for it? Or what?

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
7:52 pm

“Tasty steel work on “Panama Red”; was that Jerry? I know he played the steel on “Teach Your Children”.

Yep. He also worked with Jefferson Airplane back in the day, doing most of the arranging on the Surrealistic Pillow album, though he isn’t credited for it.

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
8:00 pm

Hillbilly–

Testing season being upon us, I’m a bit testy, but we’ve taken a long walk off a short pier with this cr*p and nobody is taking them on and, until they do, these illiterates will roll on like the Columbia. Today was our first standardized test, the state-mandated writing exam which, at least. is read and scored by a human individual. All next week we’ll be giving the ITBS, more or less the national standard. Come the second week of April, it’s the CRCT battery. Bottom line, there’s some folks making a bloody fortune producing these “tests” and we just keep buying more and more of them spouting happy bull about “data driven” results which measure nothing more than a lucky guess on the bubble-in–the 30% who got the “correct” machine scored wrong answer on question 23 evidence of that…

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
8:01 pm

Hillbilly, that is absolutely heart breaking!

But who knows…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48K5Y0421Ig

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
8:02 pm

Gotta run for a while, Am, jo, and HD, but wanted to leave you with my absolute favorite Dead tune, Crazy Fingers. It’s one of those songs that you have to hear numerous times before you pick up all the nuances, both musically and lyrically. It has a haunting melody, with a slow, reggae beat. It’s about the only Dead song that the studio version might be best, but here’s a credible live version. (#13):

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-06-03.mtx.seamons.91912.sbeok.shnf

Beneath the sweet calm face of the sea, swift undertow…….

Del

March 3rd, 2010
8:05 pm

“most people have no idea what it will do” Really, they also don’t think Obama, Reid and Polosi have any idea either and that is part of their legitimate concern. “Well people do like to side with a winner”. People don’t relish siding with someone who pretends to be a winner after they actually lost and that describes Obama and the democrats supporting this health care reform monster. The people have voiced their opposition clearly and the commander and chief narcissist continues on with his ideological agenda anyway. Worse yet he’s likely to employ a procedural gimmick to get it through congress. I don’t think it’s a strategy that will gain him nor his party much respect. Stand by for loud protests and court challenges. McConnel was right when he said that the dem’s aren’t putting this issue behind them, they are putting it ahead of them.

stands for decibels

March 3rd, 2010
8:06 pm

but for the rest of America — well, people do like to side with a winner.

yup.

Pretty much what I’ve been always thought about the political wisdom of passing HCR, although frankly the political viability of those who vote for the thing has never been my uppermost concern.

Then again, I’m not trying to get re-elected, so I guess I can’t be entirely unsympathetic to the wavering, spineless Dems that’ve allowed this thing to play out so goddamned long as it has.

josef nix

March 3rd, 2010
8:06 pm

“josef, so does that mean you want to force me to pay for it? Or what?”

Well, you could just let ‘em die from diabetic seizure. Have you ever seen one? Not a pretty sight and not the way you’d want to go…which is more cost effective, the $650.00 outlay to keep a $65,000 a year salary producing, or reduce them to the cost plus the cost of disability and/or welfare payments?

BTW–i don’t drive, so does that mean I shouldn’t have to pay for your highways and city streets?

Hillbilly Deluxe

March 3rd, 2010
8:11 pm

Bottom line, there’s some folks making a bloody fortune producing these “tests”

Everything always seems to come back to somebody making lots of money and often times they are well connected to somebody who could change things.

I’ve always been fairly good at taking tests like that and I think it is my approach to taking the test. I don’t ask myself what the correct answer is, I ask myself, which one of these is what they want to hear. The kids are the ones who suffer for it.

A couple lesser known tunes from a genius. From what I know of him, he’d probably have been terrible at standardized tests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nZNwR2maas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LblSMyGSeA

Now where did I leave those slides

March 3rd, 2010
8:11 pm

The most unusual section of the presentation is a set of six slides headed “RNC Marketing 101.” The presentation divides fundraising into two traditional categories, direct marketing and major donors, and lays out the details of how to approach each group.

The small donors who are the targets of direct marketing are described under the heading “Visceral Giving.” Their motivations are listed as “fear;” “Extreme negative feelings toward existing Administration;” and “Reactionary.”

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
8:11 pm

Paul- Government run health care nearly killed me two decades ago. I reported to one of the finest military hospitals in the system, The Presario in San Francisco with a, unknown to me, serious case of pneumonia. The “doctor” killing time in the emergency room gave me two aspirin and sent me on my way. I had to be carried to the car the next day for the return trip and after lying around unconscious in their emergency room for a spell, they finally took some x-rays and determined that my lungs were 35% filled with fluid. I was drowning to death.

Two weeks after that, white as a ghost, I walked again. Literally, not figuratively.

This is an assault on the health and well being of every American, not your made up 30 million, but every American, all 350 million of us, including my loved ones, FOR NOTHING MORE THAN A POS POLITICAL POWER GRAB and I, like many other people, are not taking this lightly.

We threw the British off our backs, we will throw you goons off as well, just sayin….

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
8:13 pm

“My point was, if health care comprises 1/6 of the economy (and I’ve yet to have anyone show me how that was calculated – people just accept it as fact) ”

Paul – Google is your friend. Here’s a link from 2006:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/09/AR2006010901932.html

But it’s ironic you bring that up. Because for the life of me I can’t find any factual data or benchmarks where jobs were “saved” under His Majesty Obama. In any event, I thoroughly enjoyed listening to the flat out lies coming out of his mouth. A total broad political spectrum was represented in this sweeping health care legislation, eh? The irony was Obama being surrounded by “props” called doctors and nurses – yeah, the same “props” Obama had issue with towards a certain senator last week. I also can’t wait to see how these Democrats running this nation are going to raise taxes on the “rich” – who also own businesses – and force said business owners to offer health care while at the same time be expected to hire more people.

Even Harry Houdini himself wouldn’t attempt this. But idiotic Democrats – well, that’s another story.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
8:18 pm

I will not participate in this.

Will.

Not.

You can come by and discuss it with me, you will get nowhere.

You can use force with me, I will hang your corpse from the tree out front as a warning to your fellow jackboot government barbarians.

I am a freeborn American citizen and I know what my Constitution says, even if you don’t.

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
8:26 pm

Anyone ever notice the lib/Dems NEVER will talk about (or in the case of lib/Dem water carrying media like CNN) never research and report the fact that the MAJORITY of Americans are against this socialist takeover of 1/6 of our economy? What do lib/Dems care anyway about what The People want? We’re all just idiots who need their “help” from cradle to grave.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
8:29 pm

I still can’t believe Bookman floated a fake jobs report two days before the real one comes out.

Are you media stooges under direct orders or what?

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
8:30 pm

Report/Whine

Glad you survived an incompetent doc. Unfortunately, they exist in the military system as well as in the civilian. To me, the question is, is it representative or not? I think your situation is not representative, any more than the case of my mom a year and a half ago. She’d been up most of the night with chest pains, wouldn’t wake my dad. He woke up, saw her condition, drove her to a clinic. Doc examined her, told her it was nothing, go home and rest. Dad got her back in the car, drove her to another clinic, doc took a few seconds to tell dad she was having a heart attack and did he want to wait for an ambulance or get her to the hospital himself?

So, I don’t think the quality of, or bad decisions of, doctors depends on who’s cutting their paycheck.

Health care reform could’ve taken many courses – all without what’s seen as a power grab. Maybe a ‘power away from’ grab, such as the not dropping folks arbitrarily, the malpractice issue, that sort of thing. Mitt Romney’s proposed state-level reforms.

Having a health care system dependent upon an insurance system largely dependent upon who you work for strikes me as nutty. But even Pres Obama said that’s not going to change. That’s probably realistic.

What I think is, if nothing’s done, costs will continue to grow faster than about anything else and people will still get shafted. Who knows, if this doesn’t make it through and Reps take power in 2012, maybe they’ll address it. Who knows -

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
8:36 pm

HD, I was reading about Miller and how he was influenced by Hank and Bob Wills.

What can ya say?

Ray Davies was another musical genius.

Born musically of the sixties, he wended his way through the 70s and then at the beginning of a new decade, made this sweet little gem that really leads the way…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdCVlmmnOzA

Curious Observer

March 3rd, 2010
8:36 pm

If you think the solution to our problems is to abandon the Democrats and go for some third party, you haven’t seen what the Republicans will do with the power when they regain control. They’ll have no compunction about using reconciliation or anything else to further their agenda of tax cuts for businesses and the shaft for everybody else. So go ahead; let them get back in control. You’ll be regretting it for the next 50 years. If you think Reporter is crude in his reactionary sentiments, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
8:37 pm

“Who knows, if this doesn’t make it through and Reps take power in 2012, maybe they’ll address it. Who knows -”

Now THERE is a thought! Instead of hauling A, rushing through some 5′ stack of legislation that most haven’t read (like that “stimulus” bill ramrodded through last year which has done NOTHING for our economy, let alone stopped unemployment from rising as it was claimed to do), let’s step back and really figure out how to improve things in the health care industry. For some reason Democrats have a bad habit of putting the cart before the horse – or jackass, whatever the case may be – because everything in lib/Dem land is an urgent crisis (except terrorist attacks of course).

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
8:37 pm

Benchwarmer

:-)

Didja’ notice? Washington Post cited ‘16 percent’ and ‘the gov’t’ but didn’t say how.

Okay, full disclosure. I’ve looked through the Statistical Abstract of the United States (it’s kinda fun reading) and looked at the health care calculations. Was interested at the time in the per-person cost and what factors were included. But I was, tonight, wondering if people knew what was in that percent of if they were just repeating an ‘authoritative’ number.

It’s kinda like listening to the percentage bandied about when the auto companies were going under. “N% of jobs are tied to autos. N% of the nation’s spending at risk.”

Not even going into the problems with those kind of statements, it doesn’t take people long to think, “golly, all we spend money on is cars, health care and one or two other things.”

Ah well,

pleasant evening, all -

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
8:39 pm

Paul- Take the GOVERNMENT RESTRICTIONS off of the private policies sold in individual states, watch the free market correct the situation you whine about.

Have you ever been to a Post Office?

@@

March 3rd, 2010
8:40 pm

I also can’t wait to see how these Democrats running this nation are going to raise taxes on the “rich” – who also own businesses – and force said business owners to offer health care while at the same time be expected to hire more people.

I’ve always said Obama hasn’t a clue about how things work. He thinks like a dictator….he’s just living in the wrong country. He’s misplaced and disgraced himself.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
8:42 pm

Curious Observer and his prominent display of ignorance is exactly why the government thinks they need to run our lives for us, just sayin….

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
8:44 pm

Tell ya what Paul, you figure out where all these jobs were “saved” in Obama’s and Biden’s comments about “saved and created jobs” are and what measurements draw that and I’ll work on the 1/6 health care economy figure. But just looking at something so simple as job postings and industries, I can say that I wouldn’t doubt that figure. At all.

Scout

March 3rd, 2010
8:46 pm

The last four letters in American………I Can

The last four letters in Republican…….I Can

The last four letters in Democrats……..Rats

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
8:48 pm

@@ – you can probably count on one hand how many Democrats running this nation from the White House on down have business backgrounds. If that. Most are “lifers” in government or lawyers.

Paul

March 3rd, 2010
8:49 pm

Report/Whine 8:39

In spite of what others here have asserted, I do kinda remember you saying (as you did again at 8:39) that there is health care reform you do support. :-)

Benchwarmer

Any time you talk to three economists you get five opinions. I’ve said before I thought trumpeting that yardstick was ill advised – way too nebulous, leaves one way too open to an anal-retentive counterattack. But ya’ gotta remember – when it came to the Stim Package, Pres Obama gave his broad outline, then the Reps came in closer to it than the Dems! So to say it’s all on the Administration is not quite accurate.

g’night

@@

March 3rd, 2010
8:51 pm

Greece’s latest cost-cutting measures from Stratfor:

Increase of value-added sales tax from 19 percent to 21 percent
Increase in fuel, cigarette and alcohol taxes
Freezing pensions
Cut in supplementary income payments to civil servants, including a 30 percent reduction in 13th and 14th “bonus” salaries received by civil servants.

However, the biggest public sector union, ADEDY, has already called for a March 16 strike — the same day as the deadline set by eurozone finance ministers for Athens to make its first report on the efficacy of its budgetary austerity measures. ADEDY’s general secretary, Ilias Iliopoulos, said following the announcement of new measures that: “We will be on the streets with all our might. I am afraid there will be a social explosion.”

Is that where we’re headed…..towards a social explosion?

Lord Help Us

March 3rd, 2010
8:54 pm

Healthcare reform = the end of America

Crybabies…

Scout

March 3rd, 2010
8:56 pm

Headline: “Lid blows off Obama’s forgotten scandal …Congressmen pry loose evidence of president’s illegal cronyism regarding the firing of Inspector General Walpin”

Time for a “special prosecutoro” !

Jenifer

March 3rd, 2010
8:58 pm

If republicants think passing health care reform will make it bad for Democrats in November, why don’t they just let them do it? Just think of all the seats they could pick up.

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
8:58 pm

“But ya’ gotta remember – when it came to the Stim Package, Pres Obama gave his broad outline, then the Reps came in closer to it than the Dems! So to say it’s all on the Administration is not quite accurate.”

Paul – the “stimulus” bill was passed in a bi-partisan manner. It couldn’t be otherwise now could it? There was plenty of pork for everyone. But, BUT, I don’t ever recall seeing Republicans get up on the pulpit making unverified claims like Biden: “this must be passed immediately to prevent unemployment from going over 8%” and my personal favorite, “this bill must be passed immediately to save and create jobs.”

Benchwarmer

March 3rd, 2010
9:02 pm

“Is that where we’re headed…..towards a social explosion?”

That, @@, or the way a Greek cruise ship or ferry usually winds up…at the bottom.

MaJo

March 3rd, 2010
9:05 pm

Liberals don’t even care what’s in the bill anymore, they just want something, anything passed. They just want to claim victory, pat themselves on the back, and starting using their new power as a political hammer to bash the Republicans and win elections.

Sure, there may be some short-term election losses, but they’ll make up for it in the long run. “Republicans are going to take away your free health care!” That’s election campaign gold.

Mick

March 3rd, 2010
9:09 pm

**Republicans are going to take away your free health care!” That’s election campaign gold.**

You are right, sounds like a winner to me!

@@

March 3rd, 2010
9:10 pm

Oh lawdy! The dems done pithed off the Black Caucus.

The CBC members applauded Rangel loudly, then came out of the room to defend him.

“Chairman Rangel is a great American,” proclaimed Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). “He’ll be back in the chair, gaveling the action.”

Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) said it is the ethics committee that needs to be admonished. “The rulings that came out last week gave me great pause,” he said. “You had some members treated one way, and another member like Mr. Rangel treated another way.”

The seven lawmakers the ethics committee exonerated last week are white. Regardless of race, the panel’s rulings are dubious, because they cleared seven lawmakers who directed no-bid government contracts to campaign donors under suspicious circumstances.

This is gonna get interesting.

@@

March 3rd, 2010
9:11 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
9:12 pm

Governor Rick Perry is the longest-serving governor in Texas history—in office since 2000. Yet he cruised to victory in the GOP primary, winning 51% in a three-way race. Mr. Perry dispatched both Tea Partier Debra Medina and the popular U.S. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison because the Texas economy is in better shape than the rest of the country and he ran against Washington, D.C.

And now “Washington DC” is sawing it’s own head off, hahaahahahaha, do hit git any better than dis?

Lord Help Us

March 3rd, 2010
9:15 pm

‘dis’ being a Dem President with a Dem majority in the House of Reps and a Dem majority in the Senate?

No…it don’t get no better than ‘dis.’

I Report (-: You Whine )-: Have A Drink On Us, obozo!

March 3rd, 2010
9:19 pm

Working together, we need to find strategic solutions to eliminate the serious threat that Asian carp pose to the Great Lakes. Last month, the Obama administration outlined a plan to address this issue safely and responsibly. Under this plan, $78.5 million would be spent to further restrict the movement of Asian carp by, among other measures, building an additional electric barrier in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal. Even so, we will not be successful until the entire Great Lakes region unites around effective solutions.-Richie Daley

78.5 Million for an electronic barrier?

Can the freaking fish even cause that much damage if left alone?

@@

March 3rd, 2010
9:19 pm

Republicans are going to take away your free health care!” That’s election campaign gold.

The (cough)benefits(cough) of Obamacare won’t kick in until 2013, is it?

The only thing voters will be experiencing up until that time is the “sticker shock”….tax increases to pay for the plan. Cost with no benefits.

Aye Yup…this is gonna be interest.

Bruno

March 3rd, 2010
9:23 pm

“Ray Davies was another musical genius.”

Not a huge Kinks fan, but always liked this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDKIH47nubs&feature=related

Am I safe to assume I’m the only person in GA who grilled outside tonight?

@@

March 3rd, 2010
9:30 pm

Students across U.S. plan to protest education funding cuts

Social unrest usually starts on the college campuses. They’ve been protesting, big time, down in Venezuela. Iran too.

Jenifer

March 3rd, 2010
9:36 pm

Exclusive: RNC Document Mocks Donors, Plays On ‘Fear’

Desperation is ugly, republicants. Ugly.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html

AmVet

March 3rd, 2010
9:45 pm

OK, time to say adieu.

Enjoy the weekend…

I had just arrived in town and this was the first concert I saw as a Georgia resident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3atW_GS8vY&feature=related

md

March 3rd, 2010
9:51 pm

Per social unrest:

My mentor always said “if the sorry would spend as much energy working as they do trying to get out of work, they’d been done yesterday”

About sums up a lot of today’s me generation.

Del

March 3rd, 2010
9:52 pm

I think there will be much crying and gnashing of teeth coming from the left in November.

Midori

March 3rd, 2010
10:14 pm

I think there’s a lot of crying and gnashing of teeth coming from the right right now……..

Dusty

March 3rd, 2010
10:30 pm

Bruno,

You grilled OUTSIDE tonight? I hope you did not scorch your fur coat, cap,mittens, boots and scarf.. Whcha trying to do? Impress your Viking ancestors or something???

Del & Midori,

That gnashing you hear are the tectonic plates shifting under Washington. I think it’s going to be a ten on the Richter scale. It’s coming!!!