What just happened in health care … and what’s next

Politico has a nice piece dissecting who lied, who exaggerated, etc. Its conclusion?

Obama exaggerated. Boehner lied. Reid was incorrect. Ryan is wrong.

An army of partisan fact checkers bombarded the media through seven hours of the health care summit with such deep thoughts — replete with cherry-picked data — confirming the adage that there’s lies, damn lies and statistics.

Some of the jabs were dead on, but some were merely meant to back up partisan talking points. Still, there were plenty of factually challenged statements

The AP’s Alan Fram lays out the history — and future — of reconciliation, the course that Democrats seem increasingly likely to pursue. He writes”

“History shows that with the tables turned, Republicans have embraced the process. Of the 22 reconciliation bills Congress has sent a president since the procedure was first used in 1980, 16 were approved by a Republican-controlled Senate, including for President George W. Bush’s big 2001 tax cut.”

The Center for Public Integrity documents the army of lobbyists recruited to fight the health-insurance reform war in Washington. “… more than 1,750 companies and organizations hired about 4,525 lobbyists — eight for each member of Congress — to influence health reform bills in 2009,” it found.

“Among industries, 207 hospitals lined up to lobby, followed by 105 insurance companies and 85 manufacturing companies. Trade, advocacy, and professional organizations trumped them all with 745 registered groups that lobbied on health reform bills, illustrating the common Washington strategy of special interests banding together to pool money and increase their influence.

Among the most visible organizations in the halls of Congress, AARP deployed 56 in-house lobbyists and two from outside firms to work the issue on behalf of its members. The pro-business U.S. Chamber of Commerce deployed 47 lobbyists, all but eight from outside firms. The corporate titans who direct the Business Roundtable deployed 40, five from outside firms, and the American Medical Association had 33, 11 from outside firms. The data also revealed that the roster of groups trying to mold legislation went far beyond corporate and health care interests to include such unlikely entities as Americans for the Arts, and the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions.”

The Wall Street Journal editorial board complains that the session was all just prelude to the already planned use of reconciliation:

“In the end, after all the bipartisan cooing, the President’s 20-minute closing argument explained where the debate really is. Democrats won the election and they are going to do what they want to do, starting next week and on a partisan vote if they can shanghai enough members.

The point of yesterday’s session was to give a soothing, moderate political gloss to a government health-care takeover that will raise costs, greatly expand the entitlement state, and reduce choice and competition—the opposite of everything Mr. Obama claims.”

And the New York Times editorial board reached a similar conclusion about the inevitability of reconciliation, if not about the bill itself:

Here is a basic fact: If the House Democrats voted tomorrow to approve the Senate bill, health care reform would become the law of the land.

The president and Speaker Nancy Pelosi should push the House to accept the fundamentally sound Senate bill. If they still cannot garner enough votes from their own caucus, they should alter the Senate bill slightly with parallel legislation that could be passed with budget reconciliation.

Mr. Obama needs to keep explaining to Americans that this health care reform is critical — to give them security, to hold down costs and ease the strain on federal budgets. His main challenge, and his best chance, for passing it is to get his own party in line.

272 comments Add your comment

Peadawg

February 26th, 2010
9:05 am

“Obama exaggerated. Boehner lied. Reid was incorrect. Ryan is wrong.”

Typical day in Washington. Conclusion – politicians are scum. They only care about getting re-elected. It sucks that we have these idiots representing us!

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
9:10 am

Pass the bill using reconciliation…let the Republicans run on a platform to repeal the resulting HCR and let the chips fall…

NowReally

February 26th, 2010
9:12 am

Lord Help Us – I stated the exact same thing yesterday. Enough with dealing with those idiots.
It’s time to chop off the olive branch and stick it to them win, lose or draw.

No More Progressives!

February 26th, 2010
9:14 am

“History shows that with the tables turned, Republicans have embraced the process.”

Obama, with polling numbers rocketing straight down, had to some PR/damage control on his “signature legislation.” Inviting Mitch McConnel and the boys to listen to Obama pontificate was Obama’s idea, and it backfired. Lamar Alexander (and others) showed the lefties that there are plenty of good ideas for the taking. For a group that has been completely shut out of the process for the last year, the Republicans showed what we already know: the right thinks with its brain, lefties think with other peoples wallets.

The conclusion: Harry Reid and his ilk came away looking like the amatuers they are.

The Nerve

February 26th, 2010
9:15 am

“The point of yesterday’s session was to give a soothing, moderate political gloss to a government health-care takeover that will raise costs, greatly expand the entitlement state, and reduce choice and competition—the opposite of everything Mr. Obama claims.”

Amen. Bend over America…..

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:19 am

R-E-C-O-N-C-I-LI-A-T-I-O-N.

Ram it down their throats til they choke.

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:20 am

UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE NOW!

Pokey

February 26th, 2010
9:20 am

Obama got his clock clean and was shown to be the empty suit he is. The GOP knows his and House and Senate bills better than he does. Funny how the Dems wanted to do anything but discuss the specifics of their bills.

Peadawg

February 26th, 2010
9:21 am

“Ram it down their throats til they choke.”

Good luck come November and in 2012!!! moron

Morrus

February 26th, 2010
9:21 am

Vote out the incumbents and start over

jt

February 26th, 2010
9:21 am

Please Harry and Pelosi-

Force us at gun point to buy health insurance.

Please.

Jay

February 26th, 2010
9:22 am

“No more,” you may want to read that Politico piece re: your claim that the GOP “has been completely shut out of the process for the last year.”

Ain’t true:

“House Minority Leader John Boehner tweeted that Democrats “do not implement a single major GOP reform that would lower costs for families and small businesses.”

But three of the 11 pages in the plan President Barack Obama released Monday focus on tackling “waste, fraud and abuse” — chock-full of Republican ideas.

Seven of the 14 proposals in that section are credited to a House bill authored by Illinois Republican Rep. Mark Kirk. Another proposal to create a comprehensive database of sanctions against doctors for misusing Medicaid and Medicare was lifted from the Republican Study Committee.

Obama took the idea for a real-time database of claims — to more quickly detect possible fraudulent payments — from an amendment authored by Illinois Republican Rep. Peter Roskam.”

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:22 am

Did the Baptists ever get out of jail?

Peadawg

February 26th, 2010
9:22 am

All the democrats did yesterday was bring sob stories to use as scare tactics.

Whacks Eloquent

February 26th, 2010
9:22 am

LordHelpUs,

“Pass the bill using reconciliation…let the Republicans run on a platform to repeal the resulting HCR and let the chips fall…”

I am pretty sure the Dems will include non-repeal measures. Though they would likely be found unconstitutional. SCOTUS will be involved if they try this, I am sure of it. We will witness Congressional war as we have never seen it before. Mutually assured destruction, isn’t that the term we used in the Cold War?

Brad Steel

February 26th, 2010
9:23 am

…more than 1,750 companies and organizations hired about 4,525 lobbyists — eight for each member of Congress — to influence health reform bills in 2009. Ack! And to think that SCOTUS just approved free speech for corporations. If you can’t afford a lobbyist, you’re powerless.

How many are fighting for it? Probably just the mighty and powerful contingency that can’t afford it or really need it.

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:23 am

Peadawg,

Didn’t take you long to get started with the personal attacks, did it?

But that’s all you’ve got so…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 26th, 2010
9:24 am

Well, I got up this a.m. and looked around and saw the trailer kind of messy and the missus snoring. But I cheered up and said to myself, at least I’m not married to Sister Dusty.

It looks like the librul Democrats are going to ram this health care bill up us. We’ll get them at the polls in November but it will be too late by then. The only hope is the House Democrats will fuss and fight each other like a bunch of crack addicts arguing over the last rock and not be able to agree enough to pass the Senate bill.

It’s the end of the world as we know it. I’ll never be able to get in to see a Dr., what with all Those People and the illegals jamming up the waiting room. We had a good system that only left out 40 million people or so, but they had to go and ruin it. Heck, I never minded my premium going up every year. The co. paid most of it, so it was mostly free.

Now I got to go finish up the week’s work. All you drunks out there can rest easy. You’ll have plenty of beer waiting for you tonight. Have a good day everybody.

29

February 26th, 2010
9:24 am

ABC Primetime News last night said that the cost of the healthcare reform bill would be 900 trillion dollars over ten years. The amount was clearly written, and the voice over pronounced the number, “trillion” clearly.

This bill has no chance. The numbers. They’re too big to fathom. Smoke comes out of the 600 million ears that comprise the hearing american public. (or is it six hundred trillion ears?)

Lets go to the experts: “The bill will cost a hundred dollars, yeah”. (Rainman)

“The bill will cost one mill…one bill…ONE TRILLION DOLLARS”. (Dr. Evil).

We’e going to need a bigger tax hike.

Joel Edge

February 26th, 2010
9:25 am

Pass this piece of garbage. In about 7 years I look forward to hearing the liberal Dems crying about the consequences of this take over. All of these “good intentions” will do is pave the road a little more. Premiums are gonna go up. Costs are gonna go up. The working American is gonna be a slave laborer to the insurance companies. We’re gonna continue to pour money down a rat hole. It’s gonna take total collapse to straighten this out. Let’s go ahead and get there so we can begin the process.
Pass the d@#n thing.

Peadawg

February 26th, 2010
9:26 am

Jenifer, didn’t take you long to start w/ the nonsense 1-liners, did it? Couldn’t find anything to copy and paste to make yourself sound smarter than you really are?

ty webb

February 26th, 2010
9:28 am

“R-E-C-O-N-C-I-LI-A-T-I-O-N.

Ram it down their throats til they choke.”
Are those your thoughts jenifer, or someone else’s?

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:29 am

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:23 am

Would you prefer he hurl personal attacks to Mrs. Godzilla or Granny Godzilla? Oops, all three of you are the same person.

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
9:29 am

Whacks, where were you when the GOP used reconciliation to pass legislation 16 of the 22 times it has been used since 1980?

retired early

February 26th, 2010
9:30 am

We won the election…right. All we need is 51%… right. The GOP doesn’t want “any” type of health care reform. So…. if you can’t afford health insurance and die…. it’s ok with them.. don’t you get it. These are the same people who are much more likely to approve of torture….you know… the christian Right.

Whacks Eloquent

February 26th, 2010
9:30 am

The Democrats’ claim to have included GOP ideas in their bill is equivalent to a carmaker appeasing PETA by not offering leather seats…

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:31 am

Peadawg

February 26th, 2010
9:26 am

Lighten up a little. Don’t get too mad at Jenifer. She has an identity crisis. After all, she was previously Mrs. Godzilla, then Granny Godzilla, and now Jenifer. She’ll change her “handle” quick enough.

Scooter

February 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Boehner lied. Reid was incorrect

Either they both lied or both incorrect. Am I the only one seeing a little slant here?

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
9:32 am

whacks, the claim is backed up by the evidence of the GOP components that are IN the bill. Your snappy one-liners are ‘factually inaccurate…’

Normal

February 26th, 2010
9:32 am

This post is from the Nation. Read the last six paragraphs. Some GOPers do have good ideas, but their party won’t listen…Please read.
There WILL be a pop quiz! :D

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/534817/the_missing_voices_at_the_healthcare_summit

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:32 am

Obama Bipartisan Health Summit Clears Path to Party-Line Vote

Let’s get it on!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aMjJ_zQAJ.RU

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:32 am

When will the next summitt take place so I can be reminded repeatedly who the President is?

Whacks Eloquent

February 26th, 2010
9:33 am

LordHelpUs,
“Whacks, where were you when the GOP used reconciliation to pass legislation 16 of the 22 times it has been used since 1980?”

I didn’t refute that, it was not part of my point at all. The GOP did not use anti-repeal measures, which would (or should) be unconstitutional. That’s all I was saying.

Paul

February 26th, 2010
9:35 am

Politico article evidently disproved one of the biggest lies in Democratic talking points – that Republicans haven’t offered any ideas. Not only were they offered, but “Seven of the 14 proposals in that section are credited to a House bill authored by Illinois Republican Rep. Mark Kirk. Another proposal to create a comprehensive database of sanctions against doctors for misusing Medicaid and Medicare was lifted from the Republican Study Committee.

Obama took the idea for a real-time database of claims — to more quickly detect possible fraudulent payments — from an amendment authored by Illinois Republican Rep. Peter Roskam”

I mentioned the other day – it seems the President wanted something bipartisan on reform – after a year was squandered and the process ended not so much with the election of Sen Brown, but because liberal Democrats were at odds with conservative to moderate Democrats. This event gave Democrats cover – they can say they ‘had’ to use reconciliation because of Republicans – ignoring they didn’t have the votes within their party to pass the bill in the first place. But… will liberal House Democrats buy in to the Senate’s much smaller, more conservative measure? Nothing’s guaranteed.

And I can think of nothing worse for Democrats than to have it apparent they couldn’t pass a bill when they had a majority, nor could they pass a bill with a legislative gimmick requiring far fewer votes. This is a dicey game they play.

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Whacks, the Dems used anti-repeal measures? Any proof?

No More Progressives!

February 26th, 2010
9:36 am

Jay, if you consider “outside looking in” as being included in the process, I guess you’re right.

So far as seriously looking at any ideas from Boehner et al, Obama now has to, as the public is in an uproar and is demanding the two sides work together, which heretofor they have not.

Kinda like how Harry & the boys were so supportive of GWB.

Jay

February 26th, 2010
9:38 am

There’s no such thing as anti-repeal measures. Any law can be undone by a subsequent law.

Outhouse GoKart

February 26th, 2010
9:40 am

Proceed Obama…Nov 2010 draws nigh and from that point forward you will be a cripple. Obama has been in office for over a year and basically his accomplishments amount to a big fat goose egg…as expected!

Jenifer

February 26th, 2010
9:40 am

Health Care Summit: Breaking Updates, Latest News

The republicants committed mass suicide yesterday. And it was fun to watch!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/24/health-care-summit-breaki_n_473945.html

Peadawg

February 26th, 2010
9:43 am

“The republicants committed mass suicide yesterday. And it was fun to watch!”

That’s got to be your thought, right Jenifer? I sounds like something you’d say. Just more nonsense 1-liners from Jenifer.

Paul

February 26th, 2010
9:43 am

All

Let’s not get carried away with who Jenifer ‘really’ is. I was having a bit of fun with @@, okay? There are enough significant, consistent differences in extreme style to support the idea she popped on as a new, yet immediately comfortable, blogger.

Unless, that is, we’re dealing with some pretty severe personality compartmentalization…

:-)

Whacks Eloquent

February 26th, 2010
9:43 am

Lord Help Us,
“Whacks, the Dems used anti-repeal measures? Any proof?”

page 1,000 of the Senate version, Section 3403 reads in part: “it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.”

subsection mentioned refers to the regulatory power of the Independent Medicare Advisory Board to “reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending” to which this monstrosity is tied…

Pokey

February 26th, 2010
9:44 am

Jenifer = A living, breathing slogan/cliche machine

Road Scholar

February 26th, 2010
9:45 am

Jay, you are right about not being able to change a standing law. Just with the word “nonwithstanding” inserted into the new legislation can a law be altered.

Whacks Eloquent

February 26th, 2010
9:46 am

Jay @ 9:38

I’d like to hope that SCOTUS would see it that way. Seems kinda juvenile to try to change the rules after you used them to get what you want. Not saying that about reconciliation – it is valid. Though quite a risky maneuver…

Rightwing Troll

February 26th, 2010
9:47 am

Anybody got any hard facts here? I mean not ipso facto “facts” but good hard facts and solid numbers.

Like:

Number of Jobs created within the Government?

Listing of rights removed from us the people?

Listing of all the tax increases we are suffering under?

Hef

February 26th, 2010
9:47 am

Health Care Reform-1)Illiminate Gov waste/useless regulations 2)minimize & prosecute fraud 3)Cap lawsuits & punish frivolous lawsuits 4)Illiminate funding for Illegals. This will at the min provide an instant 15% decrease in premiums for all. To bad Govnmnt does’nt care about cutting waste and is always happy increasing regulations,and refuses to go after lawyers,and as we all know does’nt give a flip about how many or how much money illegals cost you and me.

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
9:47 am

ah, Jay … there you go again, bringing FACTS into the discussion

:roll:

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
9:47 am

Whacks, doesn’t change the fact that subsequent laws can repeal or change any part of any bill…deal with it…

Dave R.

February 26th, 2010
9:48 am

Is that your opinion, or did someone write it for you, Jenifer?

ken R

February 26th, 2010
9:49 am

Jay, if both sides got together and went over the bill item for item on c-span then the whole country would know who is working for them and who is not.
We don’t need to pass something that most people don’t understand or want right now, so it takes another 6 Month’s, lets get it right the first time.

The summit was a joke, however both sides made some very good points.

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:49 am

I actually took the time last night to watch some of the talking heads on Fox, MSNBC and CNN talk about who “won” the summit. No surprise, but most pontificators on Fox said the Reps won while most talking heads on MSNBC and CNN said the Dems won. Real surprise there, right?

Kamchak

February 26th, 2010
9:49 am

Amen. Bend over America…..

Oh great—someone else that shares El Rushbo’s obsession.

Good morning Jenifer.

Citizen of the World

February 26th, 2010
9:50 am

Won’t it be nice to know that even if you lose your job you can still get insurance despite a pre-existing condition?

Won’t it be nice to know that if you get really sick, your insurance company won’t be able to rescind your policy because you forgot to put on your application that you had a boil on your butt ten years ago?

Won’t it be nice to know that, even if you are underemployed and underpaid in this tough economy, and your job doesn’t offer an employer-sponsored plan, that you’ll still be able to get insurance for your family through a government-subsidized plan?

Won’t it be nice to know that there are no lifetime benefits limits for your insurance policy and that if you get some horrible illness that costs a fortune to treat you won’t wind up going bankrupt just to pay the doctor bills?

I don’t care who you are, Republican or Democrat, you will be better off if healthcare reform, meaning insurance regulation, makes sure that you are able to get and keep insurance for you and your family.

Normal

February 26th, 2010
9:50 am

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:49 am

But, for sure, the people didn’t win…

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:51 am

Dave R.

February 26th, 2010
9:48 am

Ask Jenifer is Mrs. Godzilla or Granny Godzilla helped her out. Those were her previous post names.

Rightwing Troll

February 26th, 2010
9:51 am

“Obama has been in office for over a year and basically his accomplishments amount to a big fat goose egg…as expected!”

Well then everything is going just as you had hoped isn’t it?

How about a listing of W’s “accomplishments” I mean before “mission accomplished”…

Then mayhaps you can entertain us with an accounting of how McBush/Palin would’ve succeeded where Obama has failed?

Rightwing Troll

February 26th, 2010
9:53 am

We need properity before universal healthcare…

The Nerve

February 26th, 2010
9:54 am

But three of the 11 pages in the plan President Barack Obama released Monday focus on tackling “waste, fraud and abuse” — chock-full of Republican ideas.

Seven of the 14 proposals in that section are credited to a House bill authored by Illinois Republican Rep. Mark Kirk. Another proposal to create a comprehensive database of sanctions against doctors for misusing Medicaid and Medicare was lifted from the Republican Study Committee.”

I thought the Republicans had offer “no” ideas. Being the party of “no” you know.

So is calling them “The Party of No” a lie…or simply incorrect?

Whacks Eloquent

February 26th, 2010
9:55 am

Lord Help Us,

“Whacks, doesn’t change the fact that subsequent laws can repeal or change any part of any bill…deal with it…”

So long as that is the case (and SCOTUS sees it that way), I am happy.

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:55 am

Normal

February 26th, 2010
9:50 am

Absolutely.

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
9:56 am

RWT – “We need properity before universal healthcare”

which is why you need universal health care. if businesses aren’t paying for their workers’ health care, they have more money freed up for staffing / investment / development, leading to a more prosperous country.

just sayin

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
9:56 am

Rightwing Troll

February 26th, 2010
9:53 am

Harumph, harumph!!

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
9:56 am

Congrats Whacks! One less delusional Boogeyman issue to keep you up at night…

Anymore we can help out with?

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2010
9:56 am

“Whacks, the Dems used anti-repeal measures? Any proof?”

Oh, come on now…he SAID it, it just MUST be true: “I am pretty sure the Dems will include non-repeal measures”

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
9:57 am

not jimmeh – fwiw, I don’t think jenifer is Mrs / Granny Godzilla

Hef

February 26th, 2010
9:57 am

The Nerve-Jay is on a “oh Sh*t,”just da*n” break

jefferson

February 26th, 2010
9:58 am

“All we want is an up and down vote” …. heard that before GOP?

Citizen of the World

February 26th, 2010
9:58 am

The Democrats haven’t said that the Republicans didn’t have any ideas.

It has been the Republicans saying that the Democrats didn’t *listen* to any of their ideas.

But yes they have, and many of them — the ones that make sense — are even in the bills.

The Nerve

February 26th, 2010
9:59 am

Kamchak

February 26th, 2010
9:49 am
“Amen. Bend over America…..

Oh great—someone else that shares El Rushbo’s obsession.”

Mr. Chak…..I wouldn’t even know what station to tune in to listen to Rush. I have no interest in what he has to say. Never listened to him, never read him, never watched him. My problem is our so-called leaders ramming legistlation down our throats. If it could pass on it’s own, fine, but to begin manipulating the system is not kosher. From either party.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 26th, 2010
9:59 am

Rightwing Troll

**Then mayhaps you can entertain us with an accounting of how McBush/Palin would’ve succeeded where Obama has failed?**

They would have concentrated on jobs and lowering the tax burdens on businesses so they could afford to hire people back, not spend the entire first year taking over GM and trying to force a horrible health insurance reform bill and more penalties for the Al Gore Global Warming scam.

joe matarotz

February 26th, 2010
9:59 am

What happened? Nothing. Another typical day in DC as the country languishes while the scum stroke their egos. Gotta love it.

Hef

February 26th, 2010
10:00 am

I agree with USinUK,I don’t think Jennifer is Granny either. I heard someone say Granny spends most of her time now with her evil twin Cynthia Tucker.

Dave R.

February 26th, 2010
10:00 am

Jimmy, I’m not sure I buy into the Mrs. Godzilla or Granny Godzilla thing with Jenifer. I always had a better chance of having a semi-intelligent discussion with Mrs. G., but Jenifer?

There’s no – there – there with Jenifer.

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
10:00 am

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
9:56 am

Okay, so you think if businesses don’t have to pay for healthcare then all that money will be reinvested in staffing/investment/development. Using that logic, the same could be said for corporate tax cuts.

jefferson

February 26th, 2010
10:01 am

How is majority rules manipulating the system?

Hef

February 26th, 2010
10:01 am

Cit/of/world- So I guess the repubs created the “party of no” crap? Try again

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:01 am

the nerve – “My problem is our so-called leaders ramming legistlation down our throats”

I don’t know if you’ve heard – but 60% is not a majority – 51% is. you only need 2/3rds when you have a threat of filibuster.

in other words, 51% isn’t “ramming it down your throat” (my-oh-my, I think someone has some serious psycho-sexual issues they may need to deal with … )

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 26th, 2010
10:03 am

Jebifer

**R-E-C-O-N-C-I-LI-A-T-I-O-N. Ram it down their throats til they choke.**

I completely agree. There may be 100 Americans left that still don’t believe that this administration is made up of fascists. Illegally pushing this abortion of a bill through should take care of that.

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:03 am

not jimmeh – “Okay, so you think if businesses don’t have to pay for healthcare then all that money will be reinvested in staffing/investment/development. Using that logic, the same could be said for corporate tax cuts.”

corporations should get a break only if the military doesn’t defend them, the fire service doesn’t save them, the police don’t protect them, road maintenance, etc …

jefferson

February 26th, 2010
10:03 am

You can go forward or be left behind…

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:05 am

oh, and by the way … a little good news for your Friday … Q409 GDP was even BETTER than the 5.7% originally reported … in fact, it was an annualized 5.9%.

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:06 am

(oh, and for those keeping score at home – Q4 GDP was the best performance in 6 years)

jt

February 26th, 2010
10:07 am

“So is calling them “The Party of No” a lie…or simply incorrect?”

It was a “conscious effort to deceive “,

and that is unacceptable as per Bookman.

Normal

February 26th, 2010
10:08 am

From Newsweek. Some “factual malpractice” in the Health Care Summit.
Beleive it or not, both sides lied!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/234173

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 26th, 2010
10:08 am

USinUK

**which is why you need universal health care.**

What about this crap that they are pushing on us even resembles Universal Health Care? Everyone keeps calling it that, but it isn’t health care and it certainly isn’y universal.

Tax target

February 26th, 2010
10:09 am

At the end of the day it all comes down to arrogance, “we have to get a bill passes”, and the never ending “I” and “Me” — Obama At Health Care Summit: “I Don’t Count My Time Because I’m The President”…

Doggone/GA

February 26th, 2010
10:09 am

“So is calling them “The Party of No” a lie…or simply incorrect?”

Neither. Yes, they got revisions accepted into the bill…but they’re response to that is still: “not just no, but HELL no”

Charles Corley

February 26th, 2010
10:10 am

It’s simple. In 1964, Mr. Johnson, found himself unable to get the MEDICARE bill out of the ways and means committee. The reason was the AMA teamed up with the tobacco lobby, which wanted money for medical studies to squelch a rumor that tobacco was bad for your health. The AMA provided the money out of research funding. To win passage, Mr. Johnson was forced to allow doctors to charge reasonable and customary fees and to allow hospitals to include some capital costs to their fees. The era of soaring medical costs had began. Doctors started buying and building hospitals. $50,000 for 4 hours.on my heart was tooooooo much. The AMA says they will quit if we go to a mediare form of medicine. India has 500,000,000 well educated, middle class MD’s and PHD’s ready to go. Let’s put the blame where it should be. Getting in med school is still a controlled substance. 70% of the openings go to md’s kids.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 26th, 2010
10:12 am

Doggone

**Neither. Yes, they got revisions accepted into the bill…but they’re response to that is still: “not just no, but HELL no”**

Your problem is that most Americans don’t mind the word “no”. If Germany would have said no in 1933 . . . well, you know the rest. Yes, means “buy the crap, shut up and just go along with what you are being told by the government and corrupt media”.

Dave R.

February 26th, 2010
10:14 am

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
10:14 am

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:01 am

So you’re saying your friend Jenifer has issues, right?

Pennsylvanian

February 26th, 2010
10:14 am

Normal – Been meaning to ask you about your post a while back re: becoming a Harley mechanic. I have an electronics degree and I wrench some myself. You ride? HOG member?

Lord Help Us

February 26th, 2010
10:15 am

Nuttin’,

Does “buy the crap, shut up and just go along with what you are being told by the government and corrupt media” refer to ANY legislation that comes thru Congress or just legislation from the Dems?

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
10:15 am

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:05 am

Uh oh, the stats game. Let’s see. Yesterday, unemployment claims went up. Today, the GDP shows growth. So, if I use stats, a rise in unemployment will result in a growing GDP.

Normal

February 26th, 2010
10:16 am

Jay Why is my 1014 under moderation. Everybody likes Mark Twain.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 26th, 2010
10:16 am

Normal is a Harley Mechanic? Now that is a business that could never fail.

I had one. It was broken 95% of the time. My riding partners finally told me to get a rice burner or give it up. I bought a Honda 750K. More power, better ride, better handling and it never broke.

USinUK

February 26th, 2010
10:17 am

NIF – “What about this crap that they are pushing on us even resembles Universal Health Care?”

I totally agree. that’s why I’m saying what you really need is universal health care.

not jimmeh – “So you’re saying your friend Jenifer has issues, right?”

to paraphrase Lloyd Benson, “she is no Mrs. Godzilla” … as for issues, honey, ALL god’s chillun got issues … some are just a little more … ummmm … interesting … than others …

Normal

February 26th, 2010
10:18 am

Pennsylvanian

February 26th, 2010
10:14 am

I ride, but not lately. Talking my wife into another one now. Not a HOG member, I can’t afford Harleys and I have a thing for Triumphs.
Wanted to be a Harley Mechanic, because they do make big bucks…

Jimmy Carter

February 26th, 2010
10:19 am

Dave R.

February 26th, 2010
10:00 am

I think they are the “three faces of eve”. Mrs. G had some wit about her, but that was diminished when she became Granny G, and now it’s at the bottom with Jenifer. Perhaps Granny G started playing with her grandchild and just go lazy on this blog.