Where do conservatives think we can slash the federal budget?

John Sides, a political science professor at George Washington University, dove deep into the results of a 2008 survey conducted as part of the American National Election Studies. He came back with something fascinating. (The ANES is an ambitious effort to probe the evolving thoughts of the American electorate over time. After the ‘08 elections, for example, ANES researchers conducted more than 2,000 face-to-face interviews.)

In one question, respondents were asked to rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 7, from extreme liberal to extreme conservative. In another question, they were asked whether they would support a reduction or elimination of federal spending in any of 12 different categories, from public education to highways.

Sides first identified those respondents who said they were conservative or very conservative. He then compiled that group’s answers to the question about possible cuts in federal spending. The results were posted at Salon, along with the following chart:

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About 50 percent of self-identified conservatives said they would like to cut or eliminate foreign aid; roughly 35 percent said they would like to cut or eliminate welfare. About 20 percent said they’d cut or eliminate funding for child care.

But the most part, when offered specific spending areas to cut or eliminate, a majority of self-identified conservatives balked. (I tried to assemble a similar analysis of how self-identified liberals answered the question, but ANES posts only raw, undifferentiated data, and frankly I lack the capacity to tease out the answer to that question. Perhaps Sites or other scholars can conduct that research.)

I did, however, dig out a Kaiser Foundation study that helps put the Sides research into context. While it dates back to 1995, I doubt the results would have changed much over time. In the Kaiser survey, Americans were given a list of six programs and asked to identify the two areas in which the federal government spent the most money. (The possible choices were defense, interest on the debt, foreign aid, welfare, Social Security and health.)

The two choices mentioned most often as big-budget items were foreign aid (41 percent) and welfare (40 percent) (See Table 16). Those also happen to be the two areas in which conservatives are most eager to cut.

So you’ve got two areas in which the public thinks we spend huge amounts of money, and you’ve got conservatives eager to make substantial cuts in both areas. Theoretically, we seem to have a formula for cutting the deficit significantly. But there’s a problem.

In 2009, the federal government spent all of $22.1 billion on international development and humanitarian assistance, i.e, non-military foreign aid. (See Table 3.2, Item 151) That’s a mere 0.06 percent of the $3.5 trillion budget.

If you define welfare as a combination of federal housing assistance such as Section 8, plus food stamps and TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), the federal government spent $173 billion last year, or 4.9 percent of the budget, on welfare. (See Table 3.2, Items 604, 605. For TANF number, see here.)

In other words, if you take the two areas most often cited for cuts by conservatives and you eliminate them entirely, you will have cut federal spending by 5.5 percent.

Then what do we do?

341 comments Add your comment

Midori

February 25th, 2010
6:02 pm

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February 25th, 2010
6:03 pm

Yeah, I didn’t think we wanted to talk about health care, oh wait, there’s a cut we could make.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:06 pm

When Washington was recently snowed in they told non-essential personnel to stay home. Why do we have non-essential personnel in government?

For that matter why do we have an FDA or DEA or DOE etc? Close down Fannie and Freddie. Phase out Medicare and Social Security.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:07 pm

Really Reporter? You mean 650 comments about health care left you panting for more?

Paul

February 25th, 2010
6:08 pm

Old myths die hard. Foreign aid. Welfare. Sheesh.

Defense. Big time. Agriculture. Big time. Mandate a 20% cut in other programs //with no reduction in core mission services.// SS/Medicaid. Minor tweaking will produce great long-term results.

I think it’s a relatively safe, unsubstantiated bet to say Libs haven’t a clue where to cut. They recoil at SS reform. They increase Defense by billions each year. They pay off agribusiness bribes. Just to keep things in perspective.

Midori

February 25th, 2010
6:08 pm

“panting for more”

:lol:

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:08 pm

Jay B,

Have you subtracted the comments that weren’t about health care from down there?

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:08 pm

RW, if you ran on that platform you’d get 2 percent of the vote.

If Palin ran on that platform, she might get 4 percent.

OK, maybe 24.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:09 pm

Lord no, RW.

getalife

February 25th, 2010
6:10 pm

“Phase out Medicare and Social Security.”

That is the con goal.

Why in the world would a senior vote for that?

Paul

February 25th, 2010
6:11 pm

RW-(the original)

“Non essential” is a poor choice on the part of the gov’t. I believe it means “personnel without whom we could not deliver core services, even for a day.” For example, in a hospital it might be the person who conducts wellness talks for people identified at risk for diabetes. Someone not in the ‘non essential category’ would be the emergency room physician. Pulling him or her for a day would shut it down.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:12 pm

Jay B,

Was your question “where could we cut” or was your question “what could a politician run on cutting and have a chance of being elected?” I may have misread your article but I thought it was the former.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:15 pm

If a politician can’t get elected on it, RW, it ain’t gonna happen. I’ll confess to being frustrated by that too at times, but it is the reality in which we live.

Proposing cuts that will get a politician beat is a useless exercise.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:15 pm

Paul,

I spend huge chunks of my time within the inner workings of government agencies and “non-essential” isn’t nearly as bad a choice of words as you might think unless you want to change it to “totally unnecessary” employees.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
6:18 pm

jewcowboy From downstairs

**No, he wasn’t elected because he was the great orator. That is just a bonus.**

Sadly enough, considering his performance in his actual role as leader of the free world, his fractured, substandard skills at speaking without a teleprompter is actually a bonus.

But I will admit, put on that Egyptian eye make-up like he was wearing today, strap on that Sony ECM77 lapel mike that will pick up that deep voice, hire some crapslingers to write him a really pretty speech and you have all the requirements for a democratic leader. A pretty man that talks reeeeal pretty. That’s all it takes, and sadly enough, that’s all he has. It’s just almost been embarrassing to see how he falls apart without that prompter.

**Bipartisanship is not pretending you are not the one in power and handing over everything to the party not in power. **

It’s also not holding secret meetings that exclude the Republicans.

**Perhaps many of the Republicans would be more familiar with the term ‘extortion’**

Extortion? You do understand that the democrats have had the unchallenged majority for over a year, don’t you? That’s sort of like me threatening to kill my dog if you don’t send me a thousand dollars. That’s not a lot of bargaining power.

**The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even in one term. But, America, I have never been more hopeful than I am tonight that we will get there.**

I wonder who wrote that for him to read off a teleprompter?

**Because so far he is doing what he said he would do.**

So you and Glenn Beck agree. I think he lied a lot. He lied when he said that he didn’t know that Wright was a racist. I knew he was a racist when I heard the first five minutes of his speech at Morehouse.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:19 pm

If a politician can’t get elected on it, RW, it ain’t gonna happen

No kidding. So if your question was what can a politician run on cutting what was the point of your article? You ended up berating conservatives for wanting to cut something that turned out to be a small amount, but maybe they were only answering realistically rather than ideologically.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
6:19 pm

Oh, joy! Asked for some real stats last night on the jobs created and didn’t get any, but be careful what you ask for, tonight we got it in spades on this one…nice purty graphs and figures galore…!
Seriously, though, this does present a pretty good picture (for those who don’t read a lot) about the Conservative outlook…I find it interesting, my own “special interest”–that the conservatives aren’t out to ideologically cut education spending and neither or liberals, and yet…well, just come in the teacher’s lounge…lotta talk and little action…

samuel

February 25th, 2010
6:19 pm

Most people are ignorant when it comes to the federal budget. Social Security, Defense, health care (Medicare and Medicaid) and interest on the national debt make up about 80% of the federal budget from year to year. Even before reform, welfare was never a big part of the federal budget……..I watched the end of the health care summit today and I was struck by how the Republicans think that malpractice costs are the biggest driver of health care cost increases. According to the Congressional Budget Office, malpractice reform will save $54 billion over 10 years, which in a $2 trillion a year health care industry is about 1/4 of 1% of total health care costs every year……..On a lighter note, I noticed that Obama didn’t use a teleprompter today, just as he didn’t in his previous debate with House Repblicans. So much for the teleprompter-in-chief.

Paul

February 25th, 2010
6:21 pm

RW-(the original)

Which is what led to my 20 percent wisecrack. Programs always build up overhead that’s pretty much ‘nice stuff we do for ourselves.’

And I wasn’t excluding Cons from my “Libs don’t have a clue what to cut.”

Okay, I’ll modify it: they both do. They just won’t, for a variety of reasons. And I’ll wager many voters recognize that – which makes them even more frustrated and angry.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
6:25 pm

Getalife

**That is the con goal. Why in the world would a senior vote for that?**

This year was the first year SS gave out more than they took in. Doesn’t matter who’s goal it is, it doesn’t matter who will vote for it. The baby boomers will break the bank. It is yet another insolvent government program that will either die or kill the country.

If all the numbers are correct and we will live as long as predicted, it’s going to take almost 100 trillion bucks to pay all the boomers. The total wealth of the country is 50 trillion. I’m pretty sure that China is not going to loan us another 50 trillion.

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February 25th, 2010
6:26 pm

Don’t get into a snit, Bookman, I’ve been waiting on your comment concerning health care.

Pretty good beating we put on obozo, wasn’t it?

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:27 pm

Paul,

I didn’t read the 20% as a wisecrack. I thought it was a good start. :-)

Paul

February 25th, 2010
6:29 pm

samuel

As long as politicians hide behind ‘it’s but a small percent of the total’ when speaking of billions and billions of expenditures that don’t have to be, we won’t make progress.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
6:29 pm

PAUL

Don’t have a clue what to cut? EDUCATION!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2010
6:30 pm

Well, we need to get rid of this foreign aid. We put our troops in countrys all over the world to protect the countries. They ought to pay us.

I’m kind of suprized all those Conservatives were against cuts in SS and Medicare. You sure they didn’t poll a bunch of libruls?

And I still say all those old geezers could go back to work and stop using SS and Medicare welfare. Heck, it would be alot cheaper to buy them Hover-rounds than pay them cash every month. If they’re a little slow at the WalMart cash registers, I got the time to wait. I’m a Compassionate Conservative.

And it seems to me we could just fire about half the guvmint workers. Heck, wipe out the IRS and we’ll all be happy.

Now, I ain’t in favor of cutting anything in defense. Without wars we’d be in a awful fix. All the people working at Boeing and Lockheed and Xe or whatever they call theirselfs these days would be fired. And we’d be paying unemployment out the wazoo. Not to mention what would happen to all the soldiers and Marines we got shooting up ragheads these days.

Well, there’s the thoughts of a Conservative that’s one of the real deep Thinkers on this blog. I know other people on here will have ideas of their own. Have a good night everybody.

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February 25th, 2010
6:30 pm

The Department of Education! Gone, raze the whole building to the ground and replace it with “green” space, where hobos can camp out for free!

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
6:32 pm

Reporter

**Pretty good beating we put on obozo, wasn’t it?**

Brutal. It would have been fun to watch if it wasn’t the President of the United States. How arrogant would you need to be in order to go on national TV after knowing how much the public hates this bill and go up against people like Lamar Alexander, thinking that you were going to come out ahead?

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:32 pm

I watched the first half, Reporter, and thought he did quite well. But then, how you and I thought he did is kind of beside the point. Our conclusions were probably set before the things even started.

I have to say, though: Swamper’s claim that Obama proved himself hopeless without a teleprompter had no basis whatsoever from what I saw. Regardless of what you think of merits of the exchange, etc., he again showed himself very adept on his feet, just as he did in the presidential debates and in the meeting with House Republicans.

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February 25th, 2010
6:33 pm

The US Postal Service! Ever heard of email? Fedex? UPS?

kayaker 71

February 25th, 2010
6:34 pm

No Congress will cut funding for Medicare, Defense, Welfare spending and Social Security. That’s political suicide. These make up about 70% or so of our budget. We only have about 30% to work with if you eliminate the major entitlements to the aged, retired and active duty military and all of the so called pork that these guys pass. So of the sacred cows are not to be bothered, what’s to cut? The people in Greece are pondering that same question as they riot in the streets, rebel at their entitlement cuts as the government goes broke……. same thing in California. 17B dollar shortfall. Entitlement programs, aid to the poor, paying for all of the illegals needs, retirement plans from the state that defy description….. it is breaking California just like it will break the federal government. When states spend more for entitlement programs, someone has to pay.

Bloated and unnecessary Federal agencies.

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February 25th, 2010
6:35 pm

Well, Bookman apparently has low expectations, just sayin…

He was thoroughly outclassed.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:36 pm

Post Office? At the very least cut out Saturday service and maybe midweek too.

Department of Education? That was a Contract With American promise 16 years ago, but the Republicans made no effort to carry it out even when they had total control.

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February 25th, 2010
6:36 pm

AmTrak! Off the rails and in the dumpster.

Hitchhike if you must, losers.

ty webb

February 25th, 2010
6:37 pm

Cut all of the above.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:38 pm

A politician running on eliminating public sector unions might have a chance and once that was done it would be a lot easier to start real cuts, but as has been mentioned above we’re not going to anything with Medicare and Social Security so we’re going under anyway.

LibCon 2010

February 25th, 2010
6:38 pm

And I wasn’t excluding Cons from my “Libs don’t have a clue what to cut.”

And that’s why I said “cons and libs…” to begin with.

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February 25th, 2010
6:38 pm

Come on man, every time the Repugs even start looking into the DOE, liberals howl and rend their garments, libeling us as child abusers.

Who wants to face that torrent?

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February 25th, 2010
6:41 pm

ty webb

February 25th, 2010
6:41 pm

If my “jet packs for everyone” idea takes off(no pun intended), we’ll never have to build another highway.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:41 pm

Post Office? At the very least cut out Saturday service and maybe midweek too.

Every time I hear that I hear that “people” just won’t stand for it, but I’ve never met anybody that didn’t work for the Post Office that said that. Do you know who these “people” are? It seems to me that M-W-F is more than enough.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:42 pm

Yeah Swamper, and how about the beating that Cumberland College put on Georgia Tech back in 1916!

They beat those engineers by what, zero to 222?

Seriously. It takes some seriously blinding animosity to believe that Obama was thrashed on style points.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
6:44 pm

I, for one, am not opposed to getting rid of the Department of Education. Responding to their mandated horsesh*t reports takes waaaay too much time out of my day that could better be spent serving my students and families. Y’all don’t know the half of it unless you’re in the public schools or share bed, bath, bankbook and blankets with somebody who is…take the whole lot of ‘em from the local school board all the way up to the feds and put ‘em in stocks in the public square…but, then, I’m just a malcontent down at the bottom, what I and my peers here have to say is totally immmaterial…OY! The Dark Ages are anew upon us and we just keep on cutting, furloughing, closing, etc…

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February 25th, 2010
6:46 pm

By the way, I was thinking about on commenting on just that subject.

Look at your list^^, strike up the sweet stirring patriotic music Protecting The Environment, let us all hold hands.

Who in their right mind would object to protecting the environment (children singing in the background.)

Now try calling it environmental terrorism, like it is.

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February 25th, 2010
6:46 pm

on and on, geez

Jay

February 25th, 2010
6:47 pm

Gee Reporter, so the conservatives wilt in the face of liberal criticism…

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
6:49 pm

Jay

*Swamper’s claim that Obama proved himself hopeless without a teleprompter had no basis whatsoever from what I saw.**

I will admit that he was better than usual. Not even in the same league with Sarah Palin and good old boy Lamar stumbled not a word (as usual), but other than his general lack of media training, he did OK.

I think he wears waaaay too much eye makeup (I think he is using a make-up person that has always worked in standard definition. Watch him on a 1080p HD and he looks like a drag queen) and if you watch the sides of his face, you can see him gritting his teeth when he is confronted. My biggest problem is that he was touted as the next MLK or JFK as far as orators, but like everything else, it was a lie. A year into his presidency and he is at best, average at thinking on his feet. And of course, so was GW Bush, but he was called an idiot because he was as bad as Obama

I’m sure you watch the pundit shows. Other than the hosts, none of those people have prompters and they NEVER stumble or stutter. He is confrontational and tends to lose his thoughts in his anger at being questioned. It’s almost like he is being graded on a curve. “Well no, he didn’t get his point across very well, but he didn’t stumble too much” That doesn’t seem like it should be the standard for the greatest orator since MLK.

Ramblin' Wreck

February 25th, 2010
6:51 pm

They beat those engineers by what, zero to 222?

Now that’s a whoopin’.

Paul

February 25th, 2010
6:52 pm

RW-(the original)

25%’s a good start –

BTW – asking the head of an agency to cut N% and give up money and power: don’t take any of those recommendations. Tell the head “those things are not touchable. Come back with other items that comprise the N%.” The second or third iteration – now you’re getting somewhere.

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February 25th, 2010
6:52 pm

If it was just criticism…

Raise your hand if you’ve ever been called a racist because of political disagreements, just sayin…

Bill O'Reilly

February 25th, 2010
6:52 pm

Sarah,

Get an education. Perhaps a local 2-year community college.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
6:54 pm

IR/YW

The “friendliest” president yet to the cause of environmentalism was Richard Nixon. For the love of G-d, environmental protection is a conservative issue…conservation, conserve…?

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February 25th, 2010
6:54 pm

I know one thing for sure about today’s summit/ presidential puppet show, Health Care is dead on arrival.

Long live Capitalism!

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February 25th, 2010
6:55 pm

yosef, dude- Nixon didn’t mobilize the goony army against CO2, you know what I mean?

Paul

February 25th, 2010
6:56 pm

josef nix 6:29

“Don’t have a clue what to cut? EDUCATION!”

As long as we exempt teachers I may just go along -

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
6:56 pm

“Raise your hand if you’ve ever been called a racist because of political disagreements, just sayin…”

You can count me in that category…

Free the Coal Foundation

February 25th, 2010
6:57 pm

Don’t let our nation’s coal live its life in the dark, dank ground. Set it free. Call you Congressmen and tell them to free the coal. Do it for the environment.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
6:58 pm

Department of Education? That was a Contract With American promise 16 years ago,

Jay B,

Are you sure about that? I didn’t remember it being one of the articles of the contract and I don’t see it in there

Finn McCool

February 25th, 2010
6:59 pm

Republican are just dumbfounded to see a President who can actually string together 2 or more sentences without a speechwriter close by.

samuel

February 25th, 2010
6:59 pm

Whiner@6:36pm, I’ve taken Amtrak to New York and in Southern California. It sure beats hitchiking.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
6:59 pm

PAUL

Axe everything above the local school, its principal and its staff…put the money somewhere besides filling the pocketbooks of those coming in in designer suits, driving nazimobiles, with pieces of paper from Mail In U telling us on the front lines what we “have to do” so they can keep slopping at the trough of the public coffer…

Never guess what’s on the work screen, would ya! :-)

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:00 pm

Free the Coal Foundation–

:-) Needed that chuckle…

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February 25th, 2010
7:01 pm

Aid to the poor, sniff, boo hoo, that’s another good one, seeing how we know define the poor as a couple with an 80K income, 200K in the bank and a yacht anchored the lake.

Aid to dummycrat voters, Bookman, try that label.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
7:01 pm

You’re right, RW. I misremembered.

It was Ronald Reagan who promised to abolish it. My bad, thanks for the heads up.

Bud Wiser

February 25th, 2010
7:02 pm

Jay
February 25th, 2010
6:32 pm

I watched the first half, Reporter, and thought he did quite well. But then, how you and I thought he did is kind of beside the point. Our conclusions were probably set before the things even started.

I have to say, though: Swamper’s claim that Obama proved himself hopeless without a teleprompter had no basis whatsoever from what I saw….

Then you must have changed the dial after the introductions.

Knowing he was not going to have his little telly probably made me watch as much as I could stomach, just to see how he did.

Frankly I was surprised. He was even more pathetic than I thought with the continual rambling while lecturing his captive audience, always coming back to previous strings of thought, a very lot of repetition.

He sounded more like a college professor in his first (and hopefully last) semester, feeling the ropes. Since the “hope and change” campaign-like rhetoric would have proven useless, he made himself appear more irrelevant and useless than even his drooling puppy-lovesick admirers will admit….come on losers, say it, he reminded you and made you feel those first emotions of shock and sadness when you realised that Santa wasn’t real.

I would have expected more, even from an ignorant sap like Obama, a WHOLE LOT more.

But, you can elect anyone president these days apparently; you can also put lipstick on a pig, dress it up real nice, and in the words of Harry Reid, give it a “non-negro dialect”, but in the end, it is still a pig.

And the president.

Aren’t you proud now, America?

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February 25th, 2010
7:03 pm

sam- I’ve flown to So Cal and NY and it sure beats riding someone else’s tax money.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:04 pm

Finn–

Look, don’t get carried away. The man’s speech is peppered with all matter of contorted syntax, informal usages in a formal setting, incorrect pronunciations and lexical errors…sometimes it’s him and sometimes it’s his speech writers…I’m not talking about his impromptu usages, but his ex officio statements…

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
7:08 pm

Jay

**Seriously. It takes some seriously blinding animosity to believe that Obama was thrashed on style points.**

Oh he’s Mister Style. We just need a leader. Yes, a leader that can bring the two sides together.

I was amazed at how many times both sides said that the two sides were close. There are so many good ideas being offered by the Republicans and they were explained very well today, That was bad for the bill.

Price transparency is becoming an internet industry. I know of a site that will be in action within a month that will enable any employee to go to a web site, get a list of doctors that treat their particular ailment and choose, based on everything from price to criminal convictions. This will cause competition between providers, bringing down costs. This is just one idea that is a giant DUH?!?!?

This is the opportunity to actually have real Health Care Reform, but making this a giant payoff for the blue states and the unions, while ignoring some really fantastic ideas is not the way to do it. With the American People wanting it like they do, how badly would the democrats need to be doing to blow this?

They are dissolving medical savings plans. I’ve had one for years. It’s fantastic.

This is not health care reform. This is the worst of Washington. Everything that Johnny Carson, David Letterman and every other comedian made jokes about is this bill. But I would agree about Obama’s performance if he had stopped arguing and started listening, but he never did.

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
7:11 pm

You’re welcome.

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February 25th, 2010
7:18 pm

Farm subsidies, for real.

Hillbilly Deluxe

February 25th, 2010
7:19 pm

But then, how you and I thought he did is kind of beside the point. Our conclusions were probably set before the things even started.

That’s probably true of over 90% of the people.

As an outsider looking in, I’d be for getting rid of the Department of Education. First of all, I think the only role the Federal Government should have in education is to make sure no one is excluded from getting an education. It should be handled at the state level or even better, the local level. From where I sit, looks like far too much money is spent on administration at all levels, even locally.

And I’ve said before, I’d like to see an end to all tax breaks and subsidies. If you give a break to one business, it’s going to be to the detriment of another. Don’t give ‘em any money, tax ‘em all the same and let them sort it out.

Fly the Friendly Skies

February 25th, 2010
7:19 pm

I’ve flown to So Cal and NY and it sure beats riding someone else’s tax money

Because no tax money is involved in any way with flying. :roll:

Jay

February 25th, 2010
7:20 pm

Agreed, Reporter.

But you’d have to convince that “fiscal conservative” Saxby Chambliss first.

Let me know how that one goes.

Bush 2012

February 25th, 2010
7:22 pm

I promise if I’m elected for a third term that I will not make Dick work so hard.

samuel

February 25th, 2010
7:22 pm

Whiner@7:03pm, I too have flown to New York (I’ve been more than once), San Francisco and Los Angeles. I’ve also flown to London, Paris, Sydney, Hong Kong and Tokyo. Oh yeah, I’ve also taken the Eurostar from London to Paris. Love those taxpayer funded airports and train stations.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

February 25th, 2010
7:24 pm

I will if you work on obozo and Illinois, the king and queen of farm subsidies.

United Peanut Producers

February 25th, 2010
7:24 pm

Awww nuts! I’m in the wrong place. Can someone direct me to the legume blog.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:25 pm

Hillbilly

When the matter of the federal government’s role in public education came up with the founding fathers, the liberals threw a hissy, expressing a fear that such would be the antithesis of the experiment at hand and citing the Prussian pioneering of a free, mandatory education as an example, Ole Frederick William I’s creation of such to produce “a good soldier for the state.” Well, we see what that experiment produced…

md

February 25th, 2010
7:28 pm

Lets start with little things like the Un (good ole boy club/click) and NATO, pull our troops home unless paid to stay, and every fed agency/dept by same percentage.

But nothing will get done until it has to be done, then probably too late.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
7:30 pm

Completely off subject

I’m not a yankee fan and certainly not a Jeter fan, but good for Jeter.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=sh-jeter022410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

it’s nice to know that some people just love the game and have some team loyalty. (and the millions)

United Peanut Producers

February 25th, 2010
7:30 pm

You could save a fortune if you would quit spending so much time and money inspecting stuff. Your average ordinary everyday capitalists are quite capable of self-control. They would never let their love of money blind them.

md

February 25th, 2010
7:33 pm

“Your average ordinary everyday capitalists”

That would be most all of us in some form or fashion, we are corporations.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:33 pm

Peanut

Caveat emptor….

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
7:38 pm

josef

**Caveat emptor….**

You like them fish eggs?

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:40 pm

Mick

February 25th, 2010
7:44 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF)
6:25 pm

**If all the numbers are correct and we will live as long as predicted, it’s going to take almost 100 trillion bucks to pay all the boomers. The total wealth of the country is 50 trillion. I’m pretty sure that China is not going to loan us another 50 trillion**

I don’t care if it does cost 100 trillion – you better damn well believe we are worth whatever the cost!!! I don’t know about you but I’ve paid my dues along with millions of others and the rug will not be pulled out because of spineless jellyfish gov’t is bad scaremongers.

United Peanut Producers

February 25th, 2010
7:46 pm

Salmonella for sale. Guaranteed fresh.

Hillbilly Deluxe

February 25th, 2010
7:48 pm

Josef

I believe in free public education but think it would be better controlled at the local level. My views are a little out of the norm, I guess, but I think there is way too much emphasis on standarized tests. But then again, I think we should bring back the Blue Back Speller. I knew people who studied it 3 or 4 years that were more literate than some high school graduates that I know today.

Jay

February 25th, 2010
7:48 pm

“I’m not a yankee fan and certainly not a Jeter fan, but good for Jeter. it’s nice to know that some people just love the game and have some team loyalty. (and the millions)”

Agreed on all counts. As a lifelong BoSox fan, I’m a lifelong Yankee hater. But i have to admit enormous respect for Jeter. Damn him.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:49 pm

Mick–
Much agreed. When I taught high school and my students wanted to know why I was such a hardnose on making them perform at the top, I told them, “because you’re my Social Security check.”

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:51 pm

Red Alert! Jay says he is a Yankee hater…oh, wait, that’s the team. Oh, sh*t, just when I was ready to hold out an olive branch :-)

DoggoneGA

February 25th, 2010
7:52 pm

“because you’re my Social Security check.”

or, to bring it closer to home: “be nice to your kids…they’ll choose your nursing home”

Drew

February 25th, 2010
7:53 pm

As usual, the difference between conservatives and liberals isn’t how much they want to spend. It’s how much debt they want to incur. Conservatives will charge it until our creditors cut up the card, as proven by their debt-financed Medicare Part D. Liberals will pay cash for what they buy, as proven by their willingness to raise the necessary revenue for health care reform.

“They are dissolving medical savings plans. I’ve had one for years. It’s fantastic.”

How are they “dissolving” those plans? Oh yeah, by requiring that your insurance pay for at least 70% of your medical care. Who knew that so many of those “fantastic” plans made money by taking your money when you’re healthy and not reimbursing you when you’re sick?

Darn those Democrats and their refusal to allow insurance companies to part fools with their money. Don’t they know that’s the American way?

@@

February 25th, 2010
7:55 pm

Let’s get rid of the IRS!

I haven’t a clue, but here’s a cool way to check out the more obscured spending.

Obama’s 2011 Budget Proposal: How It’s Spent
Rectangles in the chart are sized according to the amount of spending for that category. Color shows the change in spending from 2010.

Big gifts come in little boxes.

mike

February 25th, 2010
7:57 pm

Where do liberals think we are going to get the money for new entitlement programs?

@@

February 25th, 2010
7:57 pm

Oops! dropped part of my post.

Consolidate! There seems to be a lot of unnecessary piling on.

I’m outta here.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
7:59 pm

Doggone…
And a chipper good evening to you! You’re so right in that one…somewhere along the line our generation (the boomers) got the idea we were going to live forever and never have need of assisted living of any sort “the end for which the first was made..”

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
8:00 pm

mike

“Where do liberals think we are going to get the money for new entitlement programs?”

Another shift at the mint?

Jay

February 25th, 2010
8:04 pm

disturbing story out of your neck of the woods, Josef:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/us/25orleans.html

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
8:17 pm

JAY
Thanks for the link and the info (as well as other favors, BTW). Folks down home say we’ll never get the real story of what happened. While I’m more than ready to lay much of it to the local culture, still and all, it was a lesson in the breakdown of society in a time of serious catastrophe, and, I fear, we are not learning the lessons. The government, DC to City Hall was a total and unmitigated failure. The Mississippi Gulf Coast came through better than others, in my opinion, from the lessons they learned from Camille: you’re on your own for at least three days. Be prepared.

josef nix

February 25th, 2010
8:35 pm

Hillbilly

I’m of the Isaac Harby School on matters of education, The whole purpose of education is to produce a product to serve the needs of the local community. It is up to the local community’s leaders to determine the needs of that community and to oversee the schools to see that those needs are met.

I was blessed to have received a part of my education in what was a mill town, but one with a strong 1920s-30s “socialist bent.” The mill was a hardwood flooring plant, the main department store in town was a “company store,” much of the housing “company housing…” but, you get the picture, The executives informed the school system each year how many of which category of employee it would need…X number of clerks, X number of mechanics, chemists, bookkeepers. secretaries and what have you…the schools were expected to meet those needs with the best and brightest…the management’s wives taught in the schools…the company was a success. A lot of my perspective on life and the roles of labor and capital come from that experience…

A good example of that in the present day can be found in Dalton where the carpet companies and the local education system have a good working relationship based on much the same principles as the ones I grew up under.