Health-care debate is mere theater, and we need more of it

Republicans are deriding today’s health-insurance reform summit as “political theater.”

Well, yes it is. But it’s curious that the GOP is so dismissive of the concept, given that they have managed to stave off health-care reform this long by their own sly use of political theater, including tea parties and townhall meetings.

Theater and politics have been intertwined since the earliest days of ancient Greece. At its heart, debate is improvised theater, and there’s nothing illegitimate or unsavory about it. You bring your ideas, I bring mine, and let the audience decide for itself. That’s true of presidential debates, and it’s just as true of debates on a single important policy issue, such as health insurance.

As Ken Duberstein, a former chief of staff to President Ronald Reagan, described it in the New York Times today: “The meeting at Blair House is not about the participants in the room, it’s about the TV audience.”

That’s exactly right. No minds will change among those inside that room; no deal is going to be cut today that will bring Democrats and Republicans any closer together. But both sides have cause to hope and fear that minds will change among the millions of Americans watching on television.

This kind of event is a healthy new development, regardless of its outcome. It’s almost as if the American political system — crippled to the point of helplessness by partisanship in Washington — is evolving a new means of resolving issues, by taking the issue directly to the people.

Political theater? Great. Let’s have some more of it.

652 comments Add your comment

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:14 am

An American Cry For Help

If this doesn’t touch you, you’re obviously not human.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35566903/

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

February 25th, 2010
9:15 am

I’m sure obozo will bring his lies and Bookman the lapdog will dutifully pass them along to us.

No need to watch the stage props.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:17 am

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:17 am

another article blaming the wepublicans because the democwats couldn’t get the health care bill passed when they had majority? geeze.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2010
9:17 am

I’m sure obozo will bring his lies

Which, roughly translated, means “my team will likely get pimp-slapped by the President on the TeeVee. Again.”

NowReally

February 25th, 2010
9:19 am

I’m all for forcing the Healthcare bill down their throats and let the chips fall where they may in the next elections. Any means necessary…….. because I’m sick of people worring about the next election.

thomas

February 25th, 2010
9:20 am

Seems a desperation move.

Their version of health care reform has been denied by the American people. This attempt to now go on television is nothing mre than a desperate attempt a changing people’s opinions because there are some nervous democrats up for election in the fall.

Why else has it taken over a year to get this televised? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact the democrats thought they had enough votes and knew what was best for Americans.

Only after multiple failed attempts of passing HC legislation does President Obama and his supporters want to follow up with the whole telvise the thing so you can see who is working for you and who is working for the insurance crap we heard a while back.

Does it really take over a year to get a camera guy and crew together to film a couple of folks talking?

Hef

February 25th, 2010
9:20 am

“sly use of political theatre” – come now,thats like calling the kettle black is’nt it? Pure and simple Universal/Govnmnt run Health care is about power! Please don’t give us the “We’re looking out for the little guy/gal” bs.

thomas

February 25th, 2010
9:24 am

Also,

Not a tea party member but jay how do you know the Republicans had anything to do with the formation and power of the tea party?

Could this not be an actual grass roots organization?

But I am sure you KNOW with factual evidence to support it that the tea party is part of the republican party.

Cause after your last piece blasting those who would intetionally decieve i know it must have been an honest mistake or you actually have evidence to show that the republicans formed and instructed the tea partiers what to do.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:27 am

VP Biden: We Welcome Any Good GOP Ideas On Health Care

Democrats are ready, and have been for some time, to work with republicants, but the republicants will continue to say NO.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20100224/NEWS/100224046/VP-Biden-We-welcome-any-good-GOP-ideas-on-health-care

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:28 am

GOP should respect the will of the people that put a Dem in the White House with a Dem Majority Congress.

The people did this because they want, among other things, healthcare reform.

Everytime I see a GOP supporter use the ‘will of the people’ term as an argument against healthcare reform, I see a person that is concerned only with the will of the GOP…

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
9:28 am

Political theatre at it’s best! It should be entertaining and interesting. I actually think some minds can be swayed in the room if the bare facts are revealed in a convincing manner. I hope some experts are allowed to present all sides of the arguments. The bill(s) as written are over the top, tho, and have to be scaled back considerably. No fines. No mandates on small businesses. No requirements for individuals to carry insurance. Just make them understand that if they don’t it’s their responsibility to pay the health care providers, not the taxpayers.

Medicare for all!

Gale

February 25th, 2010
9:28 am

The Tea Party could just as easily be a pawn of the Democrats, thinking that in typical third party fashion it will pull votes away from the party it is most aligned with, in this case, Republicans. It’s politics as usual.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:29 am

LHU, the people do want some kind of reform. But most people don’t want the public option. You get the 2 mixed up.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:29 am

not jimmeh – “I merely asked which evil “for profit” hospitals were repeatedly negligent with the most basic of healthcare. Instead, you responded by linking an article that says for profit hospitals are delaying the purchase of new equipment.”

wow. you asked me for articles and I liked to 2 (well, 3 actually, but one of them kept getting held up by the bots) which said that hospitals were cutting back – not only new equipment, but – more critically – nursing staff.

Citizen of the World

February 25th, 2010
9:30 am

Yes, call it what you will — the Republicans want to dismiss it as political theater when they’re not calling it a trap — but let’s see how this thing plays out. Everybody gets to put their ideas on the table and those of us watching can weigh which ones best ensure and protect our ability to obtain affordable, dependable health care insurance coverage, regardless of our employment status or health history.

That’s what President Obama told us he was going to try to do if elected and he is hanging in there because he knows this thing — health care reform — is not going away. It’s not a matter of if, but when. It’s not a matter of why, but how. The Republicans ignored the issue for eight years. They can’t hide from it anymore.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
9:32 am

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:29 am

To get the costs under control the public option has to be the only option. Eliminate the profit, advertising and reduce administrative costs.

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:32 am

Peadawg, most polls I have seen show that the majority of the people DO want a public option. The polls I have seen that show a majority of people against healthcare reform are broadly based and some are against it because it DOESN’T have public option or single payer.

I believe on this issue, you are wrong…

Citizen of the World

February 25th, 2010
9:33 am

Hey Peadawg, I want the public option, and I’m a person.

Hef

February 25th, 2010
9:33 am

“will of the people”-the will of the people said not only no but H*LL NO to Obimbo’s Universal/Gov run Health Care piece of trash.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:35 am

Hef

February 25th, 2010
9:37 am

Oh and by the way,the only thing Biden welcome’s is sand to hide his head in. And thats a good thing,at least there he can have intelligent conversations with his equals.

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:37 am

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:29 am

And that contributed to just how many hundreds of deaths?

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:37 am

“Peadawg, most polls I have seen show that the majority of the people DO want a public option.”

I guess it depends on what polls you look at.

“Hey Peadawg, I want the public option, and I’m a person.”

Good for you…want a cookie? They need to fix the flaws/loopholes in Medicare, Medicaid, SS, Food stamps, etc. before they think of doing another handout program.

“Eliminate the profit” of a private business? Talk about a government takeover!

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:38 am

Peadawg, just looked at a poll on pollingreport.com (sorry I do not remember how to post a link).

The poll said 49-42 for public option approach.

Next item was coop instead of public option and it was 52-38 for.

Like I said, on this issue, majority WANT public option or other vehicle to compete with ins. companies…

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2010
9:39 am

Well, this meeting today is just another way of making the godly Republicans look stupid. Like they need any help with that. Anyhow, I won’t be watching it and if I’m someplace that has the TV on I’ll turn my back to it the way I always do when libruls are talking.

What the Republicans need to do today is get up and walk out with the cameras running. I mean, they can’t just say No the way they do most times. It would look too bad on TV. So the only way to handle it is not be there. Maybe somebody could flip Obama a bird on the way out, I don’t know.

And after today I guess the next thing we’ll see is the librul Democrats ramming this health care bill thru. It ain’t right. It’s OK to use this Reconciliation to pass big tax cuts because that’s what we wanted. But it ain’t OK to use it to pass a health care bill because that’s what we don’t want. If people can’t see the diffrence there’s no help for them.

Anyhow, if I want theater I’ll go to a theater. They got no right to have theater when it comes to our pocketbooks. I just hope the Republicans don’t look too bad on camera today. I mean, this Boner already looks kind of orange from all the fake-suntan lotion he uses. If he gets stuck on some words or something, it could cost us some votes in November.

Have a good day everybody.

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:39 am

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:28 am

“CNN Poll: Only 25% want Dems to pass their health bills….”

So using your logic, 75% of Americans are GOP supporters?

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:42 am

Nice, JC…The item I was speaking to specifically was the public option component.

You either can’t read or you are being intentionally stupid…

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:42 am

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:28 am

While I agree most Americans want healthcare reform, they do not want THIS healthcare package. I can’t figure out why this doesn’t resonate with you.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:42 am

not jimmeh –

“And that contributed to just how many hundreds of deaths?”

A Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) study on general, orthopedic and vascular surgery
patients at hospitals implied “the odds of patient mortality increased 7 percent for every additional patient
in the average nurse’s workload in the hospital.” The study found that increasing a nurse’s workload from
4 to 8 patients would be accompanied by a 31 percent increase in patient mortality. It concluded: “These
effects imply that, all else being equal, substantial decreases in mortality rates could result from
increasing registered nurse staffing, especially for patients who develop complications.”

http://www.nfap.com/pdf/0709deadlyconsequences.pdf

Owl

February 25th, 2010
9:42 am

Cynthia- Wow! I am amazed the majority failed on this. And they did it within their own ranks. Trying to reach out now is admirable but still- what a lost oppurtunity. They have proved to be a very sad bunch that needs to go away rather than rule.

Shawny

February 25th, 2010
9:43 am

Eliminate the profit?
That is ludicrous.
These hospitals, while you think their main purposes is to serve the people, are companies with peoples money invested in them.
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of Coke?
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of the NFL?
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of Apple?
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of Ford?

Public option, as with any other govt intervention into private business sounds like Hugo Chavez. It has no business there, at least, not in this country.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:43 am

LHU, I stand corrected. Last I had looked most people were against it….it doesn’t change my opinion. All these handout programs are just that…handouts. They keep adding to the deficit. Too many people take advantage of them and the “public option” will be no different.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Shawny –

“Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of Coke?
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of the NFL?
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of Apple?
Why not say that the govt should eliminate the profit of Ford?”

because people can live without any one – or all – of the above.

people can’t live without healthcare.

Outhouse GoKart

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

More lies and wonderous storys from Barry today.

“I want to tell you a story. Ms Smith from Appleton Idaho raises her family on just $2.12 per month. She is a wonderful lady yet thinks she may need a lobotomy. Ms Smith, however, cant afford HCare and her two sons have lost all their teeth from having to eat gravel. Its a sad day in America when this sort of story is allowed to occur. AMERICA we need HCare now…blah blah blah”

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:42 am

“…stupid…”. Perfect example of a lib who resorts to calling names when confronted with facts/opinions that doesn’t support their agenda.

Since you question my ability to read, let me issue this challenge. Look at your post I was responding to and please enlighten me to where you specifically mentioned the “public option”. I’ll be waiting…

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Blue Cross Hiked Rates After Paying Out $39 Million In Bonuses

No better argument in favor of health care reform than this.

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/ratehiking-blue-cross-spending-millions-bonuses-retreats/

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

But it’s curious that the GOP is so dismissive of the concept, given that they have managed to stave off health-care reform this long by their own sly use of political theater, including tea parties and townhall meetings.

There’s that conscious effort to deceive that was so out of favor yesterday. I guess it’s back in vogue today.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
9:46 am

Shawny

February 25th, 2010
9:43 am

Eliminate the profit and advertising by the INSURANCE COMPANIES.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

dangitall … where’s KAM!!!

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

JC, I was responding to Peadawg’s 9:29 re: the public option component.

I do ‘get’ that people do not like the current bill…However, read a little and you will see that a lot of the opposition is due to the LACK of the public option or other stronger vehicle to improve access to care and bring down the cost.

MOST people want a stronger bill, not the watered down, special interest behemoth that evolved from Congress…

Will you get behind a stronger bill with single payer or public option?

If not…what are you ‘for?’

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

TnGelding, if you’re all of regulating the profit of a private business, please do us a favor and move to China, Cuba, or North Korea.

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

Unless a last-minute buyer steps forward, General Motors Co.’s Hummer brand is fading into history.

Oh! happy, happy day! Good riddance to this obnoxious pile of shyte, the very essence of waste and hubris!

Jay

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

Jimmy, you raise a legitimate point up above. I will try to do better.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:49 am

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:50 am

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:42 am

would, could, if a frog had wings, etc, etc, etc. Still no example of a massive mortality rate of patients in evil for-profit hospitals in the US as compared to the govt run facilities in the UK.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
9:51 am

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

And we can’t live with it in the good ole USA!

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

I’m sure it’s as bad or worse in other countries, tho.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2002/01/02/medical-errors-part-one.aspx

But maybe not.

Scout

February 25th, 2010
9:51 am

Go to the theater ………….. who cares?

The BACKLASH is coming !!

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:52 am

Peadawg, fare enough, but it seems your last post reveals that you will be against most anything that makes healthcare available to more people.

If that is your position, then just be honest about it…

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
9:54 am

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

They’re in the business of denying health care, not providing it. And communism does have its good points, but I’m quite comfortable in my cocoon.

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:55 am

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:47 am

I am “for” healthcare reform that can be paid for. Until someone shows me how we can enact this healthcare reform package while simultaneously reducing our massive deficit, I’m against it. I’ll go one step further – I am FOR a modest increase in taxes IF we make the necessary cuts in defense spending AND social programs (yes, even the sacred Social Security) in order to balance the budget and reduce the deficit. Until that happens I am not “for” any new program.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:56 am

“If that is your position, then just be honest about it…”

Ok. I’m tired of people abusing all these handout programs. Why do we need another one? It’s kinda like in a elementary school classroom…if someone does something bad and won’t confess than the whole class is punished. The people who abuse these programs make it worse for people who actually need them. That’s my honest opinion.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:57 am

Editorial: Health Care Summit More Than Theater

It’s a chance to revive reform, but Democrats may need to go it alone.

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/85263792.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUvDE7aL_V_BD77:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:57 am

JC, then why are you not behind a bill that the CBO (not the dems) say will reduce the deficit?

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
9:57 am

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:14 am

Once you’re admitted, it’s hard to regain control. Heart wrenching.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2010
9:57 am

Very very good point JC @ 9:55am!!!

Scout

February 25th, 2010
9:58 am

Ah, deception at its finest:

Headline (CBS): “Dems Plot Post-Summit Health Care Coup”

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
9:58 am

RW-(the original)

February 25th, 2010
9:45 am

Ha! Good one.

getalife

February 25th, 2010
9:59 am

The gop will stay with start over.

This is a dem summit to see what they can pass thru reconciliation.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
9:59 am

Soothsayer – “Oh! happy, happy day! Good riddance to this obnoxious pile of shyte, the very essence of waste and hubris!”

Hummer limos have to be the most obnoxious thing on the road.

ever.

not jimmeh – http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php – from TnG – connect the dots:

“If the Center for Disease Control’s annual list of leading causes of death included medical errors, it would show up as number six, ahead of diabetes, pneumonia, Alzheimer’s disease and renal disease,” continued Dr. Collier. “Hospitals need to act on this, and consumers need to arm themselves with enough information to make quality-oriented health care choices when selecting a hospital.”

thomas

February 25th, 2010
9:59 am

“people can’t live without healthcare.”

thats false people can live without healthcare, they may not live as long, but they most certainly can live.

TnGelding

February 25th, 2010
10:00 am

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
9:57 am

It’s reassuring that we aren’t the only optimists.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
10:00 am

UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE NOW!

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
10:02 am

thomas – “thats false people can live without healthcare, they may not live as long, but they most certainly can live”

hahaha … good point.

thomas

February 25th, 2010
10:03 am

Without profit as a motivating factor does anyone really think we will continue to cure diseases, or be the leader in innovative breakthrough medical treatment?

Without profit for incentive where will the world go for its medical innovation?

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
10:03 am

Peadawg, I agree and it grates against everything I do in my own life to see people that could obviously care less and do not give a crap about themselves or anyone else taking advantage of public programs.

I see it all the time, I grew up around it (worked in a grocery store that about half the revenue was from WIC vouchers and food stamps in my early years).

It makes me livid.

On the other hand, it is a huge gray area that can (and should) be managed better.

I was all behind Clinton’s welfare reform bill and I think, on the whole, it was a good start.

However, I do not see this bill the same way. It is a vehicle to make sure more people have access to healthcare, portability, cannot be denied and will, hopefully, stem the tide of costs that have spiraled out of reach.

You can pick apart anything, but, on the whole, I think this industry is in dire need of massive reform.

Jenifer

February 25th, 2010
10:04 am

TnGelding,

“It’s reassuring that we aren’t the only optimists.”

I refuse to be anything but.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
10:04 am

thomas – “Without profit as a motivating factor does anyone really think we will continue to cure diseases, or be the leader in innovative breakthrough medical treatment?”

you seem to forget – most of the innovations and research are done through university hospitals

wyldbyllhyltnyr

February 25th, 2010
10:04 am

Just another example of how BOOTUS is no President Bush. President Bush could move his agenda through the will of the American people.

With BOOTUS, it is all cheap triocks, misleading talk, and NO ACTION. Frankly, the guy is a dimwit, but at least it is, “one done and three to go.”

Ryan/Palin 2012 – When hope for reform becomes reality

Jimmy Carter

February 25th, 2010
10:04 am

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
9:57 am

The CBO has been wrong more times than a broken clock. Their findings are based on projections and all the factors that contribute to their findings must work as forecasted. You may as well go an fund your next car purchase on your credit card that offers you “points” for your purchases. Let me know how much you truly “save”.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
10:06 am

Jenifer

I hope you understand that this mess they are trying to push on us has absolutely NOTHING with Universal Health Care. It is simply a $2.5 trillion plan to allow people who make less than $19,000 access to medicaid: the very worst health treatment our country has to offer.

So:

LIBS: LEARN WHAT THEY ARE PUSHING ON US!! EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!

The rest is just a facist way of forcing everyone else to buy health insurance: about as unconstitutional as it gets.

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2010
10:07 am

Without profit as a motivating factor does anyone really think we will continue to cure diseases, or be the leader in innovative breakthrough medical treatment?

I wasn’t aware that the entire medical equipment and pharmaceutical manufacturing industries were about to be appropriated by the federal government under any pending bills. Wow.

Those Dems, they’s ballsy!

jewcowboy

February 25th, 2010
10:07 am

A woman in a hot air balloon realized that she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man below. She shouted to him,

“Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude.

“She rolled her eyes and said, “You must be an Obama Democrat.”

“I am,” replied the man. “How did you know?”

“Well,” answered the balloonist, “everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been any help to me.”

The man smiled and responded, “You must be a Republican.”

“I am,” replied the balloonist. “How did you know?”

“Well,” said the man, “you don’t know where you are or where you are going. You’ve risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise and you have no idea how to keep it, and you expect me to solve your problem. You’re in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it’s my fault.”

Lord Help Us

February 25th, 2010
10:07 am

JC, so who would you trust to analyze a healthcare reform bill?

And, can you honestly say, that if the CBO had said the bill would raise the deficit, you would be just as dismissive of the CBO?? hmmmmm?

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2010
10:09 am

Yes! Palin in ‘12–your vapid, vacuous, vague, vacant, void vamp! The perfect candidate–no brains, able to do what she is told. Beautiful on the outside but nothing on the inside. Kinda reminds me of ole George what his name.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
10:10 am

Jenifer

Optimism is NOT wanting most Americans to be so poor that they need to be on welfare.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
10:11 am

Soothsayer

Better get to the Tee Vee, the “he perfect candidate–no brains, able to do what he is told. Beautiful on the outside but nothing on the inside” president is making yet another speech.

Citizen of the World

February 25th, 2010
10:11 am

Shawny, the profits of Coke, the NFL, Apple, Ford or just about any other company you could name, don’t depend on them denying me the product or service for which I’ve paid. With for-profit insurance companies, I pay them for coverage, then they try to find ways to deny me that coverage to up their profit margins, and I don’t have any recourse because there’s no competition. If I’m employed, I have to go with whoever my employer offers; if I’m an individual on the open market, there are very few companies from which to choose and anyone of them would probably treat me the same way because they, too, make more money if they deny my claims or drop me if I get sick.

thomas

February 25th, 2010
10:11 am

“you seem to forget – most of the innovations and research are done through university hospitals”

And those university hospitals pay very high wages to the research and develpoment employees. They make much of that money through the profit they gain for the service they provide.

Just because something is claimed as a “non-profit” doesn’t mean they do not make profits, it means they must be spent. And alot of the medical producing universities are private ran institutions, not state ran.

BTW, what will happen to the employees of the drug companies and those who do develope innovative methods that are not ran by universities.

It is never a good idea in my opinion for the gov’t to enact a program that will eliminate scientific develpoment from the private sector.

Kamchak

February 25th, 2010
10:12 am

USinUK

What’s up?

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2010
10:12 am

allow people who make less than $19,000 access to medicaid

if you’re among the working poor, having a medicaid card is a f–kload better than not having one.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
10:12 am

“Just another example of how BOOTUS is no President Bush”

thank gawd for small favors.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
10:13 am

Mr. Snarky

February 25th, 2010
10:13 am

I’m all for theater! To reform or not to reform, that is the question. The play’s the thing to expose the BS artists in the GOP.

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2010
10:14 am

Drain the swamp: And I would want to do that because . . . . ?

Normal

February 25th, 2010
10:14 am

stands for decibels

February 25th, 2010
9:17 am

:D

Gordon

February 25th, 2010
10:14 am

Reasonable people can disagree about government’s role in healthcare, but I cannot fathom how anyone can believe that greater government involvement with healthcare will save money. Every entitlement that has been created or significantly expanded has not only cost more than it was originally projected to, but orders of magnitude more. That is why they are all, without exception, fiscally unsustainable. Can’t we ever learn from the past? Why can’t we just pass laws that eliminate the things we object to (dropping people when they get sick, etc.) and then just slowly add regulation where it is needed. Is government health care so important that we should go even further into debt? We can’t pay for the government we have now. Where’s the common sense?

JackLeg

February 25th, 2010
10:16 am

Since “We the People” are paying for these Ivy League losers who don’t even know how to balance a check book, why not put all halls of congress and senate on live webcams. Then all of the business of government would be out in the open, and we could see what we are paying for. Come on democrats what happened to “open and transparent”?

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
10:16 am

db

** if you’re among the working poor, having a medicaid card is a f–kload better than not having one.**

I completely agree. The question i have is this:

If we only need to insure those people, why are we destroying the entire system, giving unprecedented power to POLITICIANS over doctors and will be spending 2.5 trillion dollars to do it?

If the oil needs changing in your car, do you buy a new car?

jewcowboy

February 25th, 2010
10:18 am

“halls of congress and senate on live webcams.”

I’d rather the broom and supply closets of Congress be on webcam…more action.

pat

February 25th, 2010
10:18 am

They are dismissive as am I because we know, no matter what obama hears, he will flat ignore it an do what he wants…Oh but wait, out of the 10,000 proposals in the proposed plan, there are a whole 6 republican ideas. Wow, how bipartisan.
It’s a facade. It’s a joke. This idiot keeps playing with our healthcare. We need it fixed not broken worse. Yes, doing nothing is better than what they have on the table.

md

February 25th, 2010
10:18 am

” But both sides have cause to hope and fear that minds will change among the millions of Americans watching on television.”

That says it all – both “sides”.

Rah rah sis boom bah – gooooooo dems, gooooooo reps.

I wouldn’t hold my breath that the cheerleaders will be doing any mind changing.

JackLeg

February 25th, 2010
10:18 am

jewcowboy, that is great… RLOL

Soothsayer

February 25th, 2010
10:19 am

The next time any of you see Sarah Palin on television concentrate on her mouth. Not when she is smiling, but when she is talking. Notice the sneer! That’s the real Sarah Palin.

Kamchak

February 25th, 2010
10:19 am

USinUK

It seems like the US will be looking to exploit a weak left side defense on June 12th.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 25th, 2010
10:19 am

Soothsayer

I was simply pointing out that the untrue things you vomited about Palin is actually dead-on-accurate about the installed joke that we have now

Gordon

February 25th, 2010
10:19 am

Lord Help Us,

The CBO is restricted to reporting what the costs of a bill would be given certain assumptions provided by the sponsors of the bill. For example, $500 billion is supposed to be eliminated from Medicare to help pay for this. Are you foolish enough to believe that will actually be done? Just look at government’s record with entitlements. It speaks for itself.

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
10:19 am

totally off-subject … but funny …

the slanging between Greece and Germany has started in earnest:

“Then another German magazine, Focus, further antagonised Athens with a front cover that depicted a statue of the Venus de Milo making an obscene gesture under the title “Greek cheats.”"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8536862.stm

USinUK

February 25th, 2010
10:20 am

Kam – weak left side defense … WHAT left-side defense!!!

Swede Atlanta

February 25th, 2010
10:21 am

JackLeg, do you own a television?

CSPAN already broadcasts a significant portion of the business of the House and Senate every day. That has been in place for at least the last 20-25 years.

They don’t broadcast sessions that are closed to the public for national security reasons.