Iraq’s glidepath largely out of U.S. hands

Jackson Diehl of the Washington Post was an early and ardent advocate of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, rhapsodizing as far back as 2002 that regime change in Iraq would have “the potential to catalyze a long-overdue liberalization of the Middle East.”

Such dreams we had back then, huh?

Eight years later, after the United States spent more than $700 billion and 4,000 lives, Diehl sees the potential for a much less positive outcome of the adventure he touted.

Iraq, he now warns, could become “a cleric-dominated satellite of Iran or a cauldron of sectarian conflict,” and he wants President Obama to do something to stop it.

Tellingly, Diehl offers not a single specific as to what that “something” might be, and for good reason. With U.S. forces drawing down as a result of a legal agreement with the Iraqi government, and with so much of our manpower being shifted to Afghanistan, our leverage over Iraq’s future is declining rapidly. We can cajole and threaten and promise, but our days of real control are long past.

(For that same reason, Vice President Biden was foolish to suggest two weeks ago that Iraq “could be one of the great achievements of this administration.” Whatever course Iraq takes, good or bad, the Bush administration will have had far more impact than the current administration.)

As Diehl points out, neighboring Iran is trying to manipulate Iraq’s March 7 parliamentary elections in hopes of gaining control over the government that emerges in Baghdad.

“To an alarming extent, the campaign is succeeding,” Diehl warns. “Tehran’s leading agent … is Ahmed Chalabi, a Shiite who in 2002 played a major role in persuading the Bush administration to go to war. Now he has managed to have hundreds of candidates eliminated from the election on the mostly bogus grounds that they were or are loyalists of Saddam Hussein’s Baath party. His targets are not just Sunni leaders but secular nationalists — the two most important banned candidates are leading members of cross-sectarian alliances.”

Ah yes, the resurrected Ahmed Chalabi, the dreamweaver who put the “con” in “neocon,” the man who seduced them into thinking that we would be greeted in Iraq with chocolates and roses. Once invited to the State of the Union by President Bush, he’s now Tehran’s biggest ally, and our enemy.

“(Chalabi and his allies) clearly are influenced by Iran,” Gen. Ray Odierno said a week ago. “We have direct intelligence that tells us that. They’ve had several meetings in Iran, meeting with a man named Mohandas … who was on the terrorist watch list for a bombing in Kuwait in the 1980s. They are tied to him. He sits at the right-hand side of the Quds Force commandant, Qassem Soleimani. And we believe they’re absolutely involved in influencing the outcome of the election.”

Odierno suggested that the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq might even be slowed if the security situation deteriorates after the election, but that seems unlikely. In fact, Defense Secretary Robert Gates quickly downplayed that possibility. “Before we would consider recommending anything like that, we would have to see a pretty considerable deterioration of the situation in Iraq,” Gates said. “And we don’t see that, certainly, at this point.”

After March 7, Iraq will begin the long and dangerous process of trying to form a new government. It’s likely to take months. As Diehl notes, the master manipulator Chalabi hopes to use that process “to become prime minister of the next government, which would be a disaster for Iraq and for Washington.”

Personally, I doubt Chalabi will succeed in that effort — from the beginning, the Americans have repeatedly overestimated his chances of taking power in Iraq, and I don’t see any evidence that’s changed.

I also doubt that Iraq will become “a cleric-dominated satellite of Iran,” as Diehl describes it. In the first place, the Iranian regime is a little too worried about trying to preserve its own power to intervene aggressively next door. But the larger reason is that Chalabi and others like him who are now fighting to control Iraq will have no wish to share that power.

Not with the Iranians. Not with the Americans.

And in time, probably not with their fellow Iraqis either.

200 comments Add your comment

Jenifer

February 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

It goes without saying – but I’ll say it anyway – Shrub never should have invaded Iraq.

Jenifer

February 23rd, 2010
1:52 pm

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Mick

February 23rd, 2010
1:56 pm

So chalabi is vying to become king of the hill, very interesting turn of events. He is a double crossing liar and a snake – with those credentials probably the best person for the job.

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
1:57 pm

Ah yes, it always seems to get back to money and/or power, doesn’t it?

Some will get hung up on the analogy, but parents raise kids then release them into the world. Then they (should) stop trying to run their lives – no matter what path they take. The Iranians are on their own. We need to resist the temptation to try to remake them into our image.

And someday, maybe, we can get out of that part of the world altogether -

Mick

February 23rd, 2010
1:59 pm

Paul

**And someday, maybe, we can get out of that part of the world altogether **

Absolutely correct sir..

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:03 pm

Paul,

“And someday, maybe, we can get out of that part of the world altogether -”

Regardless on one’s views of global warming, energy independence with sustainable energy sources should be the priority political, defensive and economic goal of this country.

Chris

February 23rd, 2010
2:06 pm

I’d suggest that the WaPo fire Jackson Diehl for misleading his readers with his misinformed recommendations and prognostications, but they’d just replace him with a former member of the Bush Administration.

@@

February 23rd, 2010
2:08 pm

Makes me wonder why Odierno was invited to the WH with his Plan B in the first place. Why did his Plan B go public?

I’d rather go with a small contingent in Afghanistan that could push the Taliban into Pakistan where THEY ARE KICKING BUTT. But then what do I know? Only what I read.

Scooter

February 23rd, 2010
2:08 pm

Regardless on one’s views of global warming, energy independence with sustainable energy sources should be the priority political, defensive and economic goal of this country.

Would you mind expounding on that jewcowboy? Sorry, but I didn’t get your point.

Jenifer

February 23rd, 2010
2:12 pm

Conservatives Turn On Scott Brown Over Jobs Bill Vote: ‘Low Life Scum Hypocrite!’

Honeymoon’s already over.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/23/conservatives-turn-on-sco_n_473192.html

arnold

February 23rd, 2010
2:18 pm

Jackson Diehl was wrong before. Why should he be correct now? Chalabi was a loser. Why should that change?

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:20 pm

Scooter,

“Would you mind expounding on that jewcowboy? Sorry, but I didn’t get your point.”

That was in response to Paul’s – “And someday, maybe, we can get out of that part of the world altogether -”

The main reason the US (and the rest of the world) remains entrenched in the geo-politics of the Middle East is due to the dinosaur juice bubbling in the sand.

Until we gain our independence from oil, the US and the rest of the world will continue to give these regimes more importance than they should receive.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 23rd, 2010
2:21 pm

Well, seems to me nobody’s looking at the real problem in Iraq. The problem is their religion. They’re all Muslims and they’re all diffrent type Muslims. Expecting them all to work together would be sort of like saying a Holiness church member would just set down with a Catholic and a Jew and be all buddy-buddy.

So I’ll just throw out a idea here. How about we send a whole bunch of our TV preachers over there to work on converting these infidels? I mean, we got plenty of them. They already take up three cable channels 24 hours a day and want more channels. If Iraq thinks it’s got problems now, just wait till we send over some of our best to stir things up. It’ll take some time, but I imagine by the time our Baptist preachers are through there’ll be no booze sales on Sundays or gay marriage on any day and no more fighting because there’ll be more cops and laws and jails and prisons than people.

It’s just a idea. Have a good p.m. everybody.

pat

February 23rd, 2010
2:22 pm

The Iraq war, probably the most bipartisan vote in last 50 years.

Haywood Jablome

February 23rd, 2010
2:23 pm

The nasty hole orDeilh just makes me want to take a Baath.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:24 pm

But, but, but DO something! :roll:

Matilda

February 23rd, 2010
2:24 pm

Redneck Convert, GREAT IDEA! I’ll even donate to the one-way plane ticket fund.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

February 23rd, 2010
2:26 pm

The “problem” isn’t Iraq, it is Iran but I guess we can’t expect a lame~O national security dummycrat to have enough wattage to figure that out, just sayin….

The breadth and depth of the lib rational, Bush did it, eewww.

Jay

February 23rd, 2010
2:28 pm

Not really, Pat. In the House, an overwhelming majority of Democrats (126) voted against the resolution while just 82 voted for it.

In the Senate, 22 Dems and independents voted against it, compared to just one Republican.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:28 pm

jewcowboy,

Dinosaur juice. Good one.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm

“just one Republican.”

Lincoln Chafee I do believe?

Jay

February 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm

Yup, Chafee.

And even he’s no longer a Republican (some here will assert he never was, which would make that zero GOP votes against in the Senate).

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm

Jay,

I know, I know. Those sneaky RINOs like my woman Olympia – the Senate goddess that she is.

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

jewcowboy

Agreed, agreed, agreed. And no more of this “but it’ll cost more than it does now” nonsense. I wouldn’t even want to quantify what the last ten years have cost.

If it costs a considerable amount more than it does now, it’ll be well worth it to be done with them.

Jenifer

Re: Sen Brown and the ultracons: let’em complain. As long as it’s not Massachusetts voters, it’s all noise.

And the longer the ‘real’ Republicans brand the likes of Sen Brown as a fake Republican, the longer they’ll continue to wander in the wilderness.

One doesn’t elect a governing majority with 20 percent -

Mick

February 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

You do more whining than reporting – whats up with that?

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

“The “problem” isn’t Iraq, it is Iran but I guess we can’t expect a lame~O national security dummycrat to have enough wattage to figure that out, just sayin….”

No…the “problem” isn’t Iraq or Iran…they are the symptoms. The problem is the reason why we are entrenched in the Middle East to begin with…oil.

Scooter

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

I got it that time jewcowboy! thanks for the comeback.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:38 pm

Wow Paul, that was a really nice post to Jennifer! :-)

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:39 pm

Jewcowboy,

Uh, I thought it was to get rid of the evil dictators!

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:41 pm

Paul,

Disregarding the lives lost and treasure squandered for a second…the economic implications of not leading the world on sustainable energy sources is staggering…and it has one word…China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/business/energy-environment/31renew.html

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm

Bosch,

“Uh, I thought it was to get rid of the evil dictators!”

Nah..Cheney just wanted someone, ANYONE to greet him with flowers.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:45 pm

jewcowboy,

Maybe that’s why he’s so bitter – no one gave him flowers. Hopefully he got some today at the hospital – maybe that will ease his pain.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:46 pm

Kamchak

February 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm

Nah..Cheney just wanted someone, ANYONE to greet him with flowers.

He needs to be greeted by the Wizard of Oz with a heart.

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
2:49 pm

Bosch

In response to a post with a good idea running through. Not the first time – the other day I posted the same – but began with asking her if she was sitting down. Wouldn’t want her to collapse and bonk her head!

jewcowboy

Yeah, they’re already undercutting us on cost by a big margin. It’s one thing to say the jobs will stay here, it’s another to try to make it happen.

60 Minutes on Sunday – provocative piece on cheap energy. Guy took the NASA plan for oxygen production on the moon and reversed the process. Hundreds of millions invested but the hope of success drives what could be a no-kidding nation changer.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/bloom-box-fuel-cell-generates-buzz-skepticism/story?id=9920285

Jenifer

February 23rd, 2010
2:49 pm

“He needs to be greeted by the Wizard of Oz with a heart.”

Good one, Kamchak!

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

Bosch,

“Maybe that’s why he’s so bitter –”

Or maybe he just misses shooting old men in the face.

http://www.radio-sweethearts.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/cheney-hunting-cartoon.gif

Linda

February 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

The vote for the Iraq War on 10-11-02 was 77-23 in the Senate & 296 to 133 in the House, which is 77% in the Senate & 70% in the House.
The cost of the Economic Stimulus Bill was almost equal to the amount that the US had spent in both wars, 15 years total, at the time it was passed 2/09.

md

February 23rd, 2010
2:50 pm

“Regardless on one’s views of global warming, energy independence with sustainable energy sources should be the priority political, defensive and economic goal of this country.”

Not to worry, are benevolent masters created the DOE 30+ years ago for this very purpose. Maybe they will get around to doing something when our grahdchildren are our age.

Kamchak

February 23rd, 2010
2:51 pm

Good afternoon Jenifer.

Jenifer

February 23rd, 2010
2:52 pm

Jay, nice slap down at 2:28.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:55 pm

Linda,

And your point? I personally like taxpayer money being spent here, in the United States, as opposed to p*ssing it away in the sand ghettos of the Middle East, but that’s just me.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm

Paul,

“But Bloom Energy isn’t aiming for the home market just yet. It would appear to be going after large companies, many who can take advantage of state and federal clean-energy incentives to offset the high price of the boxes, and then branching out to the residential market. ”

Using government to spur economic development with environmental benefits. Who would’ve thunk it?

Something like this seems like a great way to offset all of the extra energy consumption through electronic goods that has grown exponentially in both the residential and commercial sectors.

md

February 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm

Rah rah J – score one for our side. Sis boom bah……

Any wonder this country is so divided.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm

md,

Yeah, Jimmy Carter was a great president wasn’t he? If only we’d listened. A man of vision way before his time.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:00 pm

md,

“Maybe they will get around to doing something when our grahdchildren are our age.”

Yeah, and it looks like Obama is getting it started.

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/news_detail.cfm/news_id=12509

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
3:00 pm

Bosch 2:55

Stop reading my mind!! …. gotta find the foil hat to thwart the eavesdropping…

jewcowboy

The big companies got state and fed tax brakes of 50%. Google saved a hundred grand in months. An analyst on the show said, ‘people probably won’t buy one for their homes. The energy companies will buy them and produce electricity and sell it to homes like they do now.”

Now, that’s something our Congress could change -

md

February 23rd, 2010
3:02 pm

Born out of crisis Bosch, and the crisis continues.

Crenshaw8

February 23rd, 2010
3:03 pm

Nimbys and environmentalists obstructed Carter’s dream of energy independence. Nimbys=lib hysterics. Enviromentalists=Democratic Party.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:04 pm

md,

Of course it would help if most of the DOE’s budget wasn’t spent dealing with nuclear weapons.

http://www.ips-dc.org/articles/is_the_energy_department_ready_to_reboot_the_country

N-GA

February 23rd, 2010
3:06 pm

Paul….then there was the industry analyst who noted that there is only a 20% likelihood we will see this technology in American homes, and if we do it will be branded GE!

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:06 pm

Bosch,

“A man of vision way before his time.”

But certainly not a man of style. Cardigan sweaters killed energy independence.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:07 pm

md,

“and the crisis continues.”

Because everyone thought Jimmy was cooky – turns out he was right. Sometimes it’s a good idea to listen to those we think are cooky.

~~~~~~~~

Paul,

:-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Crenshaw8

Reagan was a liberal? Well, damn! Learn something new everyday!

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:07 pm

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
2:56 pm

Why, thank you!

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

jewcowboy,

Now, now. Cardigans can be cool, if you accessorize right.

Joey

February 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

Jay just could not bring himself to write, at 2:28, the number of Senate Democrats who voted yes.

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:08 pm

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:07 pm

“Sometimes it’s a good idea to listen to those we think are cooky.”

You mean like Dick Cheney?

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:09 pm

Wait, wait, Reagan was a liberal DEMOCRAT???

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

JC,

Nah, Cheney is evil, not cooky. Cheney needs to crawl back into his crypt – after he gets out of the hospital of course.

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:12 pm

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:10 pm

Maybe so. Al Gore is cooky, but what reputable person listens to him?

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:14 pm

Bosch, my latest post is “awaiting moderation”. No trip-up language, mind you, just being moderated. If this is what being a moderate is all about then count me out.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:16 pm

JC,

Maybe it’s because you hijacked one of the greatest living Americans name and use it in vain. Blog God told me he doesn’t like that. Just saying.

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2010
3:17 pm

“If this is what being a moderate is all about then count me out.”

BOO! Are you next going to claim that Jay can see what you are typing before you submit it?

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
3:17 pm

N-GA

I like to think, if it can be imagined, it can be done. 20 percent chance based on past success rate? Maybe. But it’s a new idea.

I’ve written before – so often, when companies and government do these ‘what’ll things be like in 20 years?’ exercises, we find out 20 years later they were way off. Why? Because so much of what has developed, what is now normal, is the second and third generation spinoff of technology that was not even dreamed of when the exercise was conducted.

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
3:19 pm

Doggone/GA

Tinfoil hats. Only thing that prevents Bosch from intercepting the brainwaves….

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:19 pm

Doggone,

:-)

JC is cooky and uses people’s name in vain, but he has a sense of humor – he’s not a paranoid schizo (I think).

Paul,

Well, Jimmeh had it right with the solar panels – at least to some degree.

Jenifer

February 23rd, 2010
3:20 pm

Cheeeeeneyy is Satan on steroids. He does nothing but stir up trouble. He profited off the war and believes torture is a great thing to do. He skated on the issue of don’t ask, don’t tell while his own daughter did tell. Cheeeeeeney is nothing but a blow hard who shot his friend in the face while drinking, but ran scared like a baby and had some else call it in to the authorities.

Cheeeeeeeney is everything that makes politics creepy.

Linda

February 23rd, 2010
3:23 pm

Bosch@2:55, My first point was to clarify comments @ 2:22 & 2:28. My next point was to compare the cost of 15 yrs. of war to a bill that was passed less than 3 wks. after the inauguration, unread, touted as an emergency, the single largest piece of legislation in the history of our country, probably in the history of the world, that was promised to prevent unemployment from exceeding 8%, which is now 10%, unless you count the actual number of unemployed, which is closer to 17%.
Perhaps you are unaware that vast amounts of monies in the stimulus bill went to other countries.
Perhaps you are also unaware that wars the US has engaged in, historically, have benefited the US economy. That’s because monies actually go to our military, etc. rather than passing it in various forms of foreign dirt. (You did mean passing, didn’t you, sir?)

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:24 pm

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:16 pm

Would “James Earl Carter” be better?

Scooter

February 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm

Jenifer, stop it! All that creepy talk keeps making me think of Lon Cheney.

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:27 pm

Scooter

February 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm

Lon Cheney or Lon Cheney Jr?

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:27 pm

Linda,

One word: Hogwash.

JC,

NO!!

Doggone/GA

February 23rd, 2010
3:27 pm

“Because so much of what has developed, what is now normal, is the second and third generation spinoff of technology that was not even dreamed of when the exercise was conducted”

In Science it’s known as the “generation ship” problem. For those who don’t know, a “generation ship” is a space craft designed to be launched with pioneers who do not expect to reach their destination, but who are prepared to sacrifice themselves so that their children or grandchildren will get there.

The problem? That science and technology will advance quicker than the ship can cover the required distance, and the descendents of the original pioneers will be greeted by people from Earth who had used more modern technology to get there quicker.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:32 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“Would “James Earl Carter” be better?”

How ’bout Nell Carter?

Midori

February 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

LOL, Pat — “facts” have a liberal bias!!!

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:33 pm

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:32 pm

Nah, maybe James Earl Carter, Esquire.

Or, James Earl Carter (R)

Jimmy Carter (R)

February 23rd, 2010
3:35 pm

Hmmmm……what do you think of my new handle?

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:35 pm

Nah, not a member of any political party so I’ll just stay with the tried and true.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:38 pm

Linda,

“Perhaps you are also unaware that wars the US has engaged in, historically, have benefited the US economy.”

Perhaps you are aware of the 4,378 American death on Iraqi soil…how many have died for the economic stimulus? War seems like a bad way to stimulate the economy. At least to those serving and their families.

Or to those with a soul.

Jimmy Carter

February 23rd, 2010
3:39 pm

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:38 pm

I was against the Iraq War, but for those who claim it was all for oil, just how much did we get?

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:40 pm

Jimmy Carter (R),

“Hmmmm……what do you think of my new handle?”

Maybe Billy Carter? or Billie Jean?

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
3:40 pm

Doggone/GA

Reading that, the only response I could think of was Mr. Spicoli from Fast Times: “whoaaaaa…..”

Linda

February 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm

Bosch@3:27, When you can’t dispute the facts & the messenger is a lady, wash your hog. That’s a new one. Thanks for being a gentleman. May God bless you.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:42 pm

“Perhaps you are unaware that vast amounts of monies in the stimulus bill went to other countries.”

yes, I am unaware of this. Please, do tell.

You might wanna use this chart as a reference:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/02/01/GR2009020100154.html

mm

February 23rd, 2010
3:43 pm

“that was promised to prevent unemployment from exceeding 8%, which is now 10%, unless you count the actual number of unemployed, which is closer to 17%.”

The stimulus worked to a great extent, and that’s all the wingers have to hang their hat on. And they still can’t admit that the tax cuts and wars are what bankrupted our country (oh, and wall st and the big banks).

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 23rd, 2010
3:44 pm

jewcowboy

The problem isn’t oil. We have plenty of oil. The problem is with the far liberal left that insist on allowing China and Cuba to drill in our offshore fields while the US is prohibited from drilling our own oil.

Like 90% of the problems in the US, it all boils down to the uneducated left, allowing themselves to be led by rhetoric and good feelings of hope and change instead of engaging logic and doing the research, which of course boils down to an educational system that teaches children to only question capitalists and Republicans and never are to question the left that owns the unions which run (ruin) the schools.

Education is the answer, but to our schools, protecting teachers are the answer, thus, we will stay in the middle east and the George Soros and other arms dealers and shipping magnets will continue to get rich.

I know that you are a teacher, but Pal, most of our schools suck and the number of uneducated or poorly educated grows with each graduation period. Our country is getting dumber and what we have in the White House is the perfect proof.

Bosch

February 23rd, 2010
3:46 pm

NIF,

And if we drill out own oil, we get to keep it? All of it? hehehe. J/K I already know that answer: no.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:47 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“I was against the Iraq War, but for those who claim it was all for oil, just how much did we get?”

That was not my point. Our involvement (and the worlds) in the Middle East is for oil. Our involvement in Iraq, whether directly or indirectly, was to establish US presence and stability to continue the production of oil from ALL sources to both the US and its allies.

After Canada, Saudi Arabia is our main source of oil. The US currently cannot do with its 160M barrels of crude. Therefore, the US is involved in anything that happens in the Middle East, regardless of whether we wish to be or not. If we could do without that oil…we could look at things impartially and would not be forced into anything.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 23rd, 2010
3:48 pm

mm

The stimulus worked? It grew the government and invented many government jobs, plus created lots of temporary jobs that have already gone away. We have government jobs. Unemployment among government workers is slightly less than 3%. we don’t ned government jobs. We don’t need more bureaucrats. We need real jobs that are NOT IN THE GOVERNMENT.

Apparently your standard of something “working” is far below the standards of the majority of Americans.

Scout

February 23rd, 2010
3:49 pm

“There shall be wars and rumors of wars ……….. “

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:52 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“Like 90% of the problems in the US, it all boils down to the uneducated left,”

You have no credibility when you make statements like that. Just sayin’

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
3:53 pm

Jimmy Carter – NIF – jewcowboy

What strategic interests do we have in the Middle East? Leaving aside Israel, if not for oil, we would care what happens over there about as much as we care what happens in Botswana.

And if disruption over there causes our European and Japanese allies turmoil – oh, well -

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:55 pm

Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“I know that you are a teacher, but Pal, most of our schools suck ”

And I think you are getting your mo’s mixed up. I’m not a teacher, josef nix is.

29

February 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm

“Such dreams we had back then, huh?”

Speak for yourself, Bookman. There were plenty of us who deduced that 10K years of tribal/ethnic feuds would last another 10k years.

Some of us had no illusions about the extent of the catastrophe that awaited us.

Speak4yourself, sir.

ISAIDSPEAK4YOURSELF!!!!

Unless you were being sarcastic, and then nevermind.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm

Paul,

“What strategic interests do we have in the Middle East?”

Strategic…perhaps not…but pretty… ;)

http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/enlarge/saudi-arabian-sand-dune_pod_image.html

Linda

February 23rd, 2010
4:01 pm

Jewcowboy@3:38, Don’t blame me for the wars the US has engaged in. I was not even born. The US has never gone to war to stimulate the economy but WWII decisively ended the Great Depression. I honor all veterans & those that gave their lives for our country, especially my family members.
I am unaware of any loss of life due to the Economic Stimulus bill but it’s passage & failure will result in political suicide for many Dems.

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
4:01 pm

Jay

Could you please drop the 2:05 from the previous thread? Or at least change the name?

Having my moniker associated with that is plain embarrassing.

jewcowboy

February 23rd, 2010
4:02 pm

29,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanax

Take 1 with a glass of 2007 Caymus Napa Valley Cabernet….it’ll help.

Paul

February 23rd, 2010
4:04 pm

Linda

[Don’t blame me for the wars the US has engaged in. I was not even born. ]]

Okay, I’ll bite…. just how did you get here?

josef nix

February 23rd, 2010
4:06 pm

Jy

“Not really, Pat. In the House, an overwhelming majority of Democrats (126) voted against the resolution while just 82 voted for it.”

126 to 82 is substantial, but “overwhelming” may be stretching it a bit, and that “just” 82 begs a second look. Our mutual friend Hyperbole was whispering in my ear… :-)