Obama renews health-care push, eyes way to sidestep filibuster

As promised, President Obama has unveiled his own health-insurance reform proposal three days before Thursday’s scheduled summit with members of Congress, allowing all sides time to study the package and propose their own improvements.

From the New York Times:

But among Republicans leaders, the initial reaction was negative. Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House minority leader, said that Mr. Obama had “crippled the credibility” of Thursday’s meeting by proposing “the same massive government takeover of health care.”

… The bill is intended to achieve Mr. Obama’s broad goals of expanding coverage to the uninsured while driving down health premiums and imposing what the White House calls “common sense rules of the road” for insurers, including ending the unpopular practice of discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions. It would offer more money to help cash-strapped states pay for Medicaid over a four-year period, and, in a nod to concerns among the elderly, end the unpopular “donut hole” in the Medicare prescription drug program.

The White House projects that the bill would extend coverage to 31 million people who are currently uninsured, at a cost over 10 years of $950 billion — more than the $871 billion the Senate would have spent, but less than the $1.05 trillion for the version passed by the House. The administration estimates that its plan would reduce the federal deficit by $100 billion over the next 10 years — and about $1 trillion over the second decade — by cutting spending and reining in waste and fraud.

Democrats also seem ready to try to push the measure through the Senate through the ironically named reconciliation process, a step that would ensure some high political drama in the weeks to come.

from The Hill:

Democrats will finish their health reform efforts within the next two months by using a majority-vote maneuver in the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said.

Reid said that congressional Democrats would likely opt for a procedural tactic in the Senate allowing the upper chamber to make final changes to its healthcare bill with only a simple majority of senators, instead of the 60 it takes to normally end a filibuster.

“I’ve had many conversations this week with the president, his chief of staff, and Speaker Pelosi,” Reid said during an appearance Friday evening on “Face to Face with Jon Ralston” in Nevada. “And we’re really trying to move forward on this.”

“We’ll do a relatively small bill to take care of what we’ve already done,” Reid said, affirming that Democrats would use the reconciliation process. “We’re going to have that done in the next 60 days.”

The move would allow Democrats to essentially go it alone on health reform, especially after losing their filibuter-proof majority in the Senate after Sen. Scott Brown’s (R) special election victory in Massachusetts.

147 comments Add your comment

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm

mwuahahahahaa. This is going to happen.

“But, but, but, but, the people don’t want it. Tell guvmint to keep its hands off my medicare!”

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
1:37 pm

Wow…imagine democracy working in the Senate…now let us see if the Democrats can find their spines.

TaxPayer

February 22nd, 2010
1:38 pm

Let’s see what the Republicans offer up for us to examine. I have a feeling it will consist of lots of whining and just saying no. It’s just a hunch though. No that they’ve ever done anything of the sort before now.

Perhaps the Republicans will surprise us all though and offer up that $500 billion in Medicare cuts again as opposed to the meager $400 billion that the Dems offered up. That’ll show ‘em. I suspect they won’t put that offer up in front of so many eyes though. Instead, they’ll throw out tart reform and claim that they are doing it in order to preserve some semblence of their “family values” campaign slogan.

Mick

February 22nd, 2010
1:40 pm

I say, go for it and let chips fall where they may.

md

February 22nd, 2010
1:42 pm

Reconciliation only allows for budget related items – it’ll be interesting to see what gets cut and how that effects the bill. 1200 pages reduced to ??????

Bosch

February 22nd, 2010
1:42 pm

“But among Republicans leaders, the initial reaction was negative.”

Here’s my shocked face:

:shock:

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
1:44 pm

The Republicans said they would show us their bill but first they want the democrats to give them a tax cut.

any tax cut

anything

please, just cut something

(birds chirping)

pat

February 22nd, 2010
1:45 pm

You know if the dumb-dumb would work on jobs, there would be fewer uninsured. This man is to dumb to be president… I think that’s clear now.

md

February 22nd, 2010
1:45 pm

“I say, go for it and let chips fall where they may.”

One sided gov’t is never a good thing – will only increase the divisions in this country. Any hope of congress ever working together will probably be greatly diminished – the ultimate game of “sides”.

Jenifer

February 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm

I support this bill. I prefer getting anything that will help millions of Americans that need health care, but currently can’t get it. It’s not perfect, but it is something, and a step in the right direction.

UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE NOW!

Drew

February 22nd, 2010
1:55 pm

Yes, in the Senate, the majority vote is for budget related issues. Which is why Obama’s proposal is, effectively, the Senate bill + a number of budget related changes. The House passes the Senate bill, both houses pass the budget related changes, Obama signs both, Democrats declare victory, Republicans continue scaremongering.

Jenifer

February 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm

The White House would prefer a national exchange, but that cannot be done with a 51 vote margin in the Senate right now. That is why, instead, the President is calling for national regulation of insurance price hikes.

That may not be possible with 51 votes either, but it would be good — maybe in a separate bill — to force republicants to vote to shield the private insurance industry. Get them on record.

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

Its amazing how the Republicans can get people to protest against legislation that’s in their own interests.

For an example of such wingnuttery how about Joe the Plumber being worried about a tax increase on people making more than $250,000 AND the guy didn’t even have a job! he didn’t even have a plumbers license! But he was worried about those folks making more than $250,000!

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

“USING RECONCILIATION PROCESS TO ENACT HEALTH REFORM
WOULD BE FULLY CONSISTENT WITH PAST PRACTICE” ~ Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

http://www.cbpp.org/files/1-26-10health.pdf

md

February 22nd, 2010
2:01 pm

“Which is why Obama’s proposal is, effectively, the Senate bill + a number of budget related changes”

Sorry, not how it works. The bill as written must be scrubbed of any and all items that are not directly related to the budget.

The mandate of buying coverage to be one, for example. The items must relate directly to the budget one by one – they do not take the bill in its entirety. The only way to do that would be to pass the Senate bill in the House, which is unlikely.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:02 pm

Keep trashing conservatives, Jay. That’s the best you got since we have a novice serving as CIC.

“Boehner: New Obama Plan Doubles Down on Failure, Puts Summit in Peril…”

“SWALLOW: White House Warns Republicans: We’ll Pass It With 51 VOTES…”

“PROPOSAL SUMMARY USES WORD ‘TAX’ 35 TIMES… ”

“‘Increase in Fees on Brand Name Pharmaceuticals’…”

“Broaden ‘Tax Base for High-Income Taxpayers’…”

“Orders ‘Comprehensive Database’ On Health Claims…”

“FORCED: ‘Raises percent of income assessment that individuals pay if they choose not to become insured’…”

“BACKDOOR FIX: Healthcare ‘Funds will be transferred to the Social Security Trust’ if necessary…”

“White House Endorses Sen. Landrieu’s ‘Louisiana Purchase’… ”

“RASMUSSEN POLL:
Obama Approval Index: -19
Strongly Approve 22% (all time low)
Strongly Disapprove 41%”

“Obama tops Bush at ducking reporters; No formal press conference in 215 days… “

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:04 pm

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
1:59 pm

Maybe Joe the Plumber was looking out for others. You know, much like the dems like to claim.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

February 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

You lie! just sayin…

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

Uh oh, more rats deserting the lib ship.

“Climate scientists withdraw claims of rising sea levels… “

Peadawg

February 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

Jay, is this the one that includes giving the feds the authority to deny insurance rate hikes.? If so, he can wipe his butt with it for all I care.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 22nd, 2010
2:06 pm

I suspect a new healthcare push will ensure that the American public comes to see Republicans as the only solution to the Obama problem.

Scooter

February 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm

I have friends with great health ins.at a high price and they say if the HC bill passes thier price will go even higher. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:09 pm

Scooter

February 22nd, 2010
2:08 pm

Be sure to listen to what the libs say because they always tell the truth, right?

md

February 22nd, 2010
2:11 pm

“I have friends with great health ins.at a high price and they say if the HC bill passes thier price will go even higher. Does anyone know if this is true or not?”

Good question, but adding 30 million people to the pool with no preconditions, sounds like it has to go up, business principles indicate that it will.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:11 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“Maybe Joe the Plumber was looking out for others.”

No…I would say this was a textbook example of one looking out for his personal interest…mainly in how to stay in the limelight for as long as possible, and how to possibly make a buck while doing it.

Mick

February 22nd, 2010
2:14 pm

md
**One sided gov’t is never a good thing – will only increase the divisions in this country.**

Unfortunately, there will always be divisions. I am a believer of majority rule and the majority has been stifled. Reconciliation means the bill will be leaner and maybe thats a good thing. Elections have consequences, so we’ll see what happens in 2010 & 2012.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

Dear Scooter @ 2:08, close question whether government price controls will raise prices, but they usually do. More likely you will see the flip side of the economic effect that arises from the minimum wage laws. Whereas minimum wage laws – setting a floor below which none can pay – leads to a large number of people competing for a decreased number of jobs. With the government control over health care, the government will likely hold the line on nominal pricing, which with inflation will lead to a degradation of care. So even if it kills us all, it will cost us less to die.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

A good article to give one an idea of the reconciliation process:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-treatment/uh-oh-what-if-reconciliation-isnt-quick

“The bottom line is this: if the Democratic leadership decides to pursue health care through via a budget reconciliation bill, they will eventually be able to pass a bill desired by a bare majority of both chambers. But in the Senate, the process will be neither quick nor clean.”

Mick

February 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

**I suspect a new healthcare push will ensure that the American public comes to see Republicans as the only solution to the Obama problem.**

Dream on.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:11 pm

Personal interest? You mean like Obama and the libs? The majority of Americans do NOT want this healthcare plan, however, Barry and his posse keep pressing on. Now just why is that? I dare say that a large number of those wanting this plan are those who are already milking the entitlement programs strait towards insolvency.

Bud Wiser

February 22nd, 2010
2:17 pm

I hear the background music being played on the deck of the dimwitocrat Titanic.

Obowo has declared it is political suicide for his team, let us watch and count how many drink the KooL Aid with him this time.

SSDD.

Scooter

February 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:09 pm

If Maddow says it, it MUST be true!

Midori

February 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm

oh, the irony!!

This man is to dumb to be president….

Drew

February 22nd, 2010
2:21 pm

Maybe I should have been clear, md: the President’s proposal can be achieved if the House passes the Senate bill and the Congress passes a number of budget-related changes possible with a majority vote. Both houses passed an individual mandate and the President’s proposal changes the fine; the Senate demurred on an employer mandate and the President’s proposal does as well.

The difference between the Senate bill and the President’s proposal is all money.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 22nd, 2010
2:21 pm

Open wide America.

Yes, you are going to gag a little, but this is for your own good.

Yes, I know you don’t like it, but we are much smarter than you and we know what is best.

Now listen to the libs on this blog and just shut up and take it.

On a lighter note:

Obama will be long gone in three more years as will most of the Democrats in Congress.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:21 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“The majority of Americans do NOT want this healthcare plan”

You are right that the majority don’t want the Senate healthcare plan; however, you are mistaken to which side of the equation the majority wants to flip.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/senate-republicans/polls-in-key-states-public-option-far-more-popular-than-senate-plan/

jt

February 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm

In a typical tar-and-feathers attack, the subject of a crowd’s anger would be stripped to the waist. Hot[citation needed] tar was either poured or painted onto the person while he or she was immobilized. Then the victim either had feathers thrown on him or her or was rolled around on a pile of feathers so that they stuck to the tar. Often the victim was then paraded around town on a cart or a rail. The aim was to hurt and humiliate a person enough to leave town and not cause any more mischief.

The punishment appeared in Salem, Massachusetts, in 1767, when mobs avenged themselves on low-level employees of the Customs service with tar and feathers. In October 1769, a mob in Boston attacked a Customs service sailor the same way, and a few similar attacks followed through 1774 (the tarring and feathering of customs worker John Malcolm received particular attention in 1774). Such acts associated the punishment with the Patriot side of the American Revolution. In March 1775, a British regiment inflicted the same treatment on a Massachusetts man they suspected of trying to buy their muskets.[citation needed] There is no case of a person dying from being tarred and feathered in this period.

During the Whiskey Rebellion, the punishment was inflicted on Federal tax agents by local farmers.

Scooter

February 22nd, 2010
2:22 pm

md

February 22nd, 2010
2:11 pm

If you are right I can understand why they don’t want HC to pass. I wouldn’t either!

Mick

February 22nd, 2010
2:23 pm

**I suspect a new healthcare push will ensure that the American public comes to see Republicans as the only solution to the Obama problem.**

If true – then what happens?

md

February 22nd, 2010
2:24 pm

“Unfortunately, there will always be divisions.”

Extent of will be the problem, not existence of.

Jess

February 22nd, 2010
2:24 pm

Jay,

You left out a few of the ways Obama plans to pay. You mentioned only cost cutting and elimination of waste and fraud. The bill also includes all the tax increases on the wealthy, on small businesses, and on every segment of the health care business. These were in the Senate bill. In addition Obama proposes to extend the medicare tax to capital gains and dividends. This is another new tax.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm

Enter your comments here

pat

February 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm

Obama don’t get it. I would still be cheaper, just to buy insurance for every man, woman and child for the next 10 years, than it would to implement this idiotic plan.
I wished he’d stop playing partisan games and wishful thinking with our healthcare. It needs to be fixed, not broken more.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm

Mick

**Dream on.**

I had a dream. I dreamed that the liberal left would act like complete morons and attempt a coup like none ever before.

I had a dream that when the Mainstream Media tried to support the fascist takeover, that their ratings would plummet and FOX News would be beating the major three networks during prime time.

I had a dream that the AMerican Public are not the idiots that liberals believed them to be.

I had a dream that the backlash was so great that Teddy Kennedy’s Senate Seat would be taken, TAKEN from the brainless liberrals.

I had a Dream . . .

My dream came true.

How about your’s, lib?

jt

February 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm

In order to get EVERYBODY in on the fun,

I would suggest NOT using a petroleum-based product. I believe that Caro Syrup would do.

And possibly dryer-lint instead of feathers or maybe shredded federal legislation and bills. And televised.

kayaker 71

February 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm

Latest poll numbers say that the average American is not too happy with Bozo’s plan. Over 70% say that they would like to start with a clean slate or make major revisions in what Bozo has proposed. Who are all of these politicians who feel that they know what is best for America than it’s citizens do? Or should we call them past Senators and Congressmen after November?

Scooter

February 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm

Ragnar Danneskjöld

February 22nd, 2010
2:16 pm

I guess there is a good side to anything after all. :???:

md

February 22nd, 2010
2:28 pm

Drew,

Pelosi already said she didn’t have the votes to pass the Senate bill, the blue dogs want to keep their jobs so I doubt they will play along.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“I dare say that a large number of those wanting this plan are those who are already milking the entitlement programs strait towards insolvency.”

Or perhaps the entitlement programs are headed to insolvency due to the Republican mantra of “starving the beast” and then not having the balls to actually cut back on or eliminate the entitlement programs. And why is that? Because people like Social Security and Medicare.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm

“TOYOTA EXECS TURN ON DEMOCRATS: NOT ‘INDUSTRY FRIENDLY’… ”

Say it ain’t so, Joe. The democrats LOVE industry. They want to heavily tax those employers for their greedy profits and then redistribute the money to others.

Drain The Swamp (NIF)

February 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm

Mick

**If true – then what happens?**

The economy recovers, then we let the free market fix the problems, sort of like what has happened for 300 years.

WE DON”T NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO FIX OUR PROBLEMS. Why do you?

Mick

February 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm

**.Extent of will be the problem, not existence of.**

Starting with the presidential election of 2000, and now it seems with the presidential election of 2008, the extent of this problem points to even greater division in the future. Unless, some unknown populist leader emerges that can negotiate between those two combative worlds.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm

Looks like the sharks are circling their own:

“Democrats worried about Obama track record”

“Obama’s ‘Chicago mafia’ blamed for paralysis at the top”

…transpartent administration…change you can believe in…LOL!!!

Mick

February 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm

**The economy recovers, then we let the free market fix the problems, sort of like what has happened for 300 years.**

Why do we need republicans for that? Are you forgetting the Depression? The market is not a god- ruling divinely for all the people.

peter pan

February 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm

RAGNAR says “I suspect a new healthcare push will ensure that the American public comes to see Republicans as the only solution to the Obama problem. The Republican solution?

Just say NO!

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2010
2:33 pm

I had a dream once too. I dreamed that Jay was taking over my thoughts and answering posts that I hadn’t written yet.

Jenifer

February 22nd, 2010
2:36 pm

I heard the republicants are putting their plan on paper right now – in the Senate men’s room.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:36 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“TOYOTA EXECS TURN ON DEMOCRATS: NOT ‘INDUSTRY FRIENDLY’… ”

Gee…and Toyota should be trusted to be neutral and balanced voice on this why exactly?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/business/global/23toyota.html

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-subpoena23-2010feb23,0,3835714.story

Jenifer

February 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm

And it’s sure to stink.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm

Jenifer,

“in the Senate men’s room.”

Hide the Senate pages.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:38 pm

“‘Doomsday’ tax increases could come to Illinois… ”

Holy cow! What they need is a strong community organizer who can pontificate his way through this dilemma. Oops, he is now in the White House. He would probably APPROVE this unprecedented tax hike. Never mind.

Scooter

February 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm

I heard the republicants are putting their plan on paper right now – in the Senate men’s room.

Now that’s funny! I don’t care what side of the aisle you are on. lol

@@

February 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm

Hell, jay, sidestepping is what Obama’s been doing from day one. It’s what I call his “clarified butter” bull.

I haven’t really been following the news on health care, so that’s all I’ve got to say.

joe matarotz

February 22nd, 2010
2:42 pm

I’ll bet the Democrap Senators are foaming at the mouth now. It’s going to cost even MORE than the plan they submitted. As a tax-and-spend liberal democrap, what’s not to like? Just pass that baby and let the spending games begin! Yeee hah! Damn the Constitution and full speed ahead

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:36 pm

Here’s the thoughts of Toyota industry execs:

“The “Activist Administration & Congress – increasing laws & regulations” is listed as one of “Toyota Challenges,” as is “Massive government support for Detroit automakers.””

Since you like to give answers with questions, I’ll try it out. Their viewpoints of the Obama adminstration are wrong just how?

@@

February 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm

Oh, I would like to mention that Evan Bayh (D) has declared that more Scott Browns would solve the problems in Washington. Let’s see…last time I looked, Brown was a Republican.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 22nd, 2010
2:45 pm

Well, dang! Looks like this Obama is dead-set on ramming this health care bill for Those People and the other lazy bums up us. No wonder Boner’s upset. Instead of the Boner he’s going to be the Bonee. And we can’t even argue it’s a increase in the debt or taxes. This is a real bummer, and right when we thought we had this thing stopped dead in its tracks.

I’m so upset I might need to dip into the stock on the truck before quitting time comes.

jt

February 22nd, 2010
2:45 pm

And instead of riding Steny Hoyer out of town “on a rail”,

I would suggest making him stand on top of one of those silly looking “smart” cars.

Take him or any other offender to the DC city limits,

then mandate that the offender MUST ride public-transit back to his or her respective state capital.(providing Secret Service Protection of course. No one needs to get hurt).

Also, money could be raised by auctioning off the priveledge of being the actual tarrer or linter.

kayaker 71

February 22nd, 2010
2:45 pm

Suggestions for Bozo’s continued WH occupancy…

1. Get rid of Rham Emmanuel and replace him with David Gergen.

2. Start listening to the American people and stop trying to remake America in your own image.

3. Stop campaigning and start governing.

4. Make Hillary Clinton’s tenure only 4 years and replace her with George Mitchell. She’s a pretty good campaigner but not much of a diplomat.

5. Replace Valerie Jarrett with George Will.

6. Get off of the Union bandwagon and quit these moves that favor certain segments of the society in exchange for favors and votes.

7. Quit having so many TV ops. It’s getting old.

8. Shed this Chicago politician image and give America the transparency that you promised.

9. Stop spending us into the poorhouse.

That’ll do for starters.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:46 pm

Midori @ 2.20

Thanks for the giggle.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“Their viewpoints of the Obama adminstration are wrong just how?”

“Reporting from Washington – Toyota said Monday that it has received two federal subpoenas, including one from a New York grand jury, indicating that its deepening political and regulatory problems involving the safety of its vehicles have now expanded to include potential criminal and securities investigations.” ~ LA Times

Drew

February 22nd, 2010
2:49 pm

Pelosi has said that she can’t pass the Senate bill unless the Senate first passes a fix. This is the fix.

The conservative Democrats haven’t been her problem; the Senate bill is more conservative, what with the lack of the public option, the employer mandate, and other policies that conservatives oppose, and the conservatives prefer it. The problem has been the liberal Democrats. This will probably mollify them.

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
2:49 pm

Republicans, take heart, only 7 more years and you can elect your next white guy from HeeHaw to be The Decider in Chief.

kayaker 71

February 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm

McCool,

Do I detect some racial overtones here? Nah….. must have read it wrong.

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:48 pm

Nice try at a diversion, but stick to the issues. Toyota says the Obama administration is:

(1) Activist (increasing laws & regulations), and
(2) Offering “Massive government support for Detroit automakers.”, in the form of bailouts.

My point (either you missed it or ignored it) was to challenge you to refute their claims. They’re spot on and the obama adminstration’s legislative record proves it.

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm

To finish Kayaker’s list:

10. borrow crayons from W to make a new birth certificate
12. Make my first pilgrimage to Mecca

Midori

February 22nd, 2010
2:52 pm

Sam

February 22nd, 2010
2:53 pm

@@, 2 week ago Evan Bayh would’ve been the devil incarnate because of the letter next to his name. anything he said would’ve been immediately refuted because he’s a crazy liberal. now you hang on his every word?

Midori

February 22nd, 2010
2:54 pm

Finn, if I may:

13. Dig up Reagan’s teleprompter that was buried alongside him.
14. Post more birth notices in the Hawaii newspaper – this time date them 30 years beforehand.

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm

Kayaker,
to follow your idiotic rules from the previous thread, you can’t give your opinion on obama because you didn’t vote for him.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm

Jimmy Carter,

Is Toyota complaining about the subsidies it gets for exporting autos when the Japanese government intervened in the currency markets to artificially devalue the yen? No….just the American subsidies to Detroit. But, we should listen to them right?

http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6422366/the-general-forum/japanese-makers-get-a-4k-to-14k-subsidy-on-every-v/index.html

kayaker 71

February 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm

McCool,

I can give my opinion, alright. Your’e comparing apples and bananas.

Del

February 22nd, 2010
2:58 pm

Kayaker71@2:45pm,

I agree on all but (1)…not much of a Gergen fan

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
3:00 pm

15. Take all the guns away from these wingnutterbutters
16. Make everyone ride public transportation
17 Raise taxes on everybody
18 Replace Gibbs with Sara Palin
19 Get Bobby Jindal a set of Lincoln Logs for Xmas (I forgot he asked for these last year.)

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
3:01 pm

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
2:57 pm

Still answering questions with questions? Why did I expect anything different? It’s the blueprint for liberalspeak.

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2010
3:01 pm

15. Make everybody get gay married
16. Force all gay married couples to undergo abortions

Midori

February 22nd, 2010
3:02 pm

20. Purchase pacifier for Boehner

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2010
3:01 pm

Nah, just tell the married gays to conceive naturally.

Jess

February 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

Apparently Obama’s plan takes away the Nebraska provision which caused quite a bit of stir, But the $60 billion consession to the unions for overly generous plans remains. Anyone else who has a good insurance plan will get the opportunity to pay a 40% tax for the priviledge. Except of course those on Medicaid who have the best coverage in America, and Congress. These are the things that make the producer segment of our society feel all warm and fuzzy.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“Nice try at a diversion, but stick to the issues. Toyota says the Obama administration is:”

What diversion…this is a foreign owned company that receives large subsidies from its home country and is under investigation by this country for lying and killing people in order to save $100M. This is a company under fire, and our current administration is holding them accountable. And Toyota dearly would like not be held accountable. Why is their voice legitimate in your mind? Because they are saying things that you want to hear?

“The July 2009 presentation also says the Department of Transportation and National Highway Transportation Safety Administration “under Obama administration” is “not industry friendly,” and anticipates a “more challenging regulatory and enforcement environment.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/33248.html#ixzz0gISg2Bc9

Midori

February 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
3:04 pm

“Nah, just tell the married gays to conceive naturally.”

Yeah…because all heterosexuals do.

Midori

February 22nd, 2010
3:04 pm

JewCowboy,

you have the patience of Job…..

Kamchak

February 22nd, 2010
3:04 pm

Jimmy Carter

February 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
3:03 pm

Still diverting, I see. Look, I’m all for lowering the boom on Toyota if they intentionally covered up something wrong. But again, and I’ll slow it down for you, please tell me how their statements of “activism” and “favoring Detroit automakers” is wrong? That’s all I’ve asked. The actions of the obama admin prove this to be the case.

I’ll leave you the last word because I’ve asked a very simple question multiple times and have received nothing from you but questions and links as answers.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
3:08 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“Still answering questions with questions? Why did I expect anything different? It’s the blueprint for liberalspeak.”

Actually you never answered my question…and I asked first…see my question at 2.36 in response to your post at 2.29.

@@

February 22nd, 2010
3:09 pm

Sam:

If you were to go back on all previous threads, you’d never find an @@ comment that mentioned Bayh.

Just found it interesting that a D thinks Rs are the solution to Washington’s problems. The inflexibility within his own D party has pithed him to the point he’d rather exit than reenter.

Kewl!

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
3:10 pm

Midori,

“you have the patience of Job…..”

more giggles ;)

FinnMcCool

February 22nd, 2010
3:10 pm

21. Kindly ask Eric Cantor to take his head out of Boehner’s….
22. Tell Ed Schultze to chill the eff out.

jewcowboy

February 22nd, 2010
3:16 pm

Jimmy Carter,

“Still diverting,”

OK…let me s.p.e.l.l. it out for you in the most simple of terms.

Toyota statement:
“Activist Administration & Congress – increasing laws & regulations”

It is their company’s point of view…that is their perspective due to the fact that they are now caught having to answer for their corporate malfeasance. They feel they are operating in a unfriendly environment due to the government holding them accountable. It is no different from a murderer thinking that the courtroom is an unfriendly environment.