Pilot in Austin IRS attack, Joe Stack, linked to anti-government rant
The pilot who flew a private plane into an IRS office in Austin, Texas has been identified by federal officials as Joseph Stack.
A man using that name has also posted a lengthy diatribe against the IRS and the U.S. government. Our fellow Cox newspaper, the Austin American-Statesman, has posted the full rant on its website. Here are its concluding paragraphs:
“I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.
I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.
I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.
The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.
Joe Stack (1956-2010)
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TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
7:26 pm
I see that more people are tuning in to American Idol than to the Olympics. What does that say about the viewing audience. Does it indicate that most people interested in watching the olympics just went there to watch it live or that most people that watch TV prefer something like lousy singers over watching someone slide down a hill or what. Surveys! Their true message can be rather difficult to decipher. Perhaps that is precisely what makes them so popular. You can make them say whatever you want to hear.
TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
7:28 pm
At least we don’t have to worry about some rightwinger steering a kayak into a federal building, do we.
NRB1
February 18th, 2010
7:28 pm
Stack should have thought things through a little more and stuffed his plane full of TNT first.
NRB1
February 18th, 2010
7:29 pm
At least we don’t have to worry about some rightwinger steering a kayak into a federal building, do we.
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I have to admit…that was pretty funny.
jokerman
February 18th, 2010
7:29 pm
Have you come up with any proof to back up your slanderous accusations yet…Didn’t think so!
Nix … Just makes up stuff as he goes along. Beat up in a civil debate, and accuses me of all sorts of derogatory misdeeds…If you are really a school teacher how would your students react to you being called out as a liar…Huh, Josef?
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
7:31 pm
“I have to admit…that was pretty funny.”
Ditto!
quedawg12
February 18th, 2010
7:34 pm
MD I have to slightly disagree with you. There is alot more attacking than in the past. Like him or dislike him he is the commander in chief and we had Mr. Wilson scream liar at him. People comparing him to a monkey, and this lame attempt from other Sinators (spelling intended)to question his citizenship. Personally I think we have hit rock bottom.
TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
7:35 pm
Such uncivil rest. I mean, civil unrest. I think I’ll go pour myself another glass of stimulus. Or should that be stimulant.
TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
7:36 pm
Personally I think we have hit rock bottom.
We can always hope.
Vinny
February 18th, 2010
7:37 pm
10-to-1 the guy voted for Obama and snapped once he realized that he was duped by all of the hope and change mantra….
Paul
February 18th, 2010
7:38 pm
Taxpayer
Had to reboot. When I came back I reread your post and your 7:14 and think what you were saying is, Beck said people who wear Che images are like Nazis. Not that people who think Che was like the Nazis are demented. Is that correct?
I then did a quick search and could find nothing to substantiate your assertion. I went to his web site and found an article by Jonah Goldberg in which he wrote about people who wear images of certain evil dictator types as fashion statements, and how the Left, particularly, will blast certain symbols (swastika) but embrace others (Che’s image, the hammer and sickle). But I couldn’t find what you asserted.
Cuban Revolutionaries or not, fighting a dictator or not, AFTER the takeover they instituted a reign of terror and murdered scores. You’re okay with that, it seems. I’m not. So I’m not okay with glorifying them,
And you were doing so well until you got to the ice melting stuff. You’ve read my thoughts on that – your desire to use zingers in such an inappropriate way really weakens credibility.
Hey josef
Silly or not (as I said, he grates on me) I do like accuracy. It’s like someone saying they don’t like a person because they’re obviously a fascist communist who admirers murders because they’re wearing a Che shirt. Are they wearing a Che shirt? Yes. Are they as described? Probably not.
And what is it with the Left and personal attacks and all the making fund of peoples’ names? Are their arguments that weak, their intellect so limited that the best they can do is playground taunts?
quedawg12
February 18th, 2010
7:38 pm
LOL! taxpayer you are on a roll or have you rolled one up?
quedawg12
February 18th, 2010
7:42 pm
Vinny I will take you on that bet. Sounds like a Palin supporter all the way!
Paul
February 18th, 2010
7:43 pm
quedawg12
[[People comparing him to a monkey, ]]
Seriously, wasn’t that the Left’s attack against Pres Bush?
md
February 18th, 2010
7:44 pm
“MD I have to slightly disagree with you.”
By all means, that is your right.
I have no allegiances to either party and do believe its about equal. Both sides are very full of hate with not enough compromise. All one has to do is visit this blog for a few days and one will notice it comes about equal from both “sides”. The side choosers never seem to see the hate coming from their side.
quedawg12
February 18th, 2010
7:45 pm
I dont recall anyone referring to Dubya as a monkey. I do however remember the “Artist” exhibit in NY!!!
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 18th, 2010
7:45 pm
“Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”
Paul Simon
quedawg12
February 18th, 2010
7:47 pm
MD………….I am back on you side!
Now we completely agree. My question now is what can be done?
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
7:47 pm
Maybe I’m missing something, but:
“And what is it with the Left and personal attacks and all the making fund of peoples’ names? Are their arguments that weak, their intellect so limited that the best they can do is playground taunts?”
That is not the real Paul.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2010
7:48 pm
Interesting link on Google. Seems like black farmers will be the recipients of over 1.25B dollars in reparations for failure of the government to grant them loans equivilant to what other farmers were granted. It involves thousands of people and the average person is to get up to 50K and some can qualify for “settlements” for up to 250K. Eric Holder and Bozo seem to feel that this is something that is overdue and appropriate. Nothing like taking care of your own.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
7:50 pm
kayaker,
Are you implying that Holder and Obama are farmers?
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
7:50 pm
The mere fact that y’all have spent more than half this thread trying to pigeonhole this guy into a Left/Right faction shows that all of y’all need to step back, take a deep breath, and read about something other than government or politics. The guy was pi$$ed off. It doesn’t matter whether he was Liberal, Republican, Jesuit, Martian, or anything else. It’s a sad indicator of our supposed “free” society that we need to place labels on people in order to make ourselves feel important.
I feel bad for that guy’s family, especially the child. No child should have to grow up with that kind of burden on his/her shoulders. The actions of this guy will follow that child forever. That child may end up seeing all the crap that people are writing/posting/saying about his/her dad. It’s wrong, and everyone who’s participating in the label making is fu*ked up in the head to join in on it. Think about what your family would have to go thru if you did something like that.
It’s bad when someone feels like they have no recourse for problems they’re facing. I pray for him, his family, and anyone who’s been affected by this incident. As for you label makers, I pray that you find some humanity before something tragic befalls you or your loved ones.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2010
7:50 pm
Bosch,
No.
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
7:51 pm
PAUL–
I tuned in to him when a while back, like you, just to see what the whooplah was all about. I guess I should have listened to him on radio rather than watch him on tv. I didn’t find what he had to say any more or any less didactic than anything else making the rounds left or right. The antichrist he ain’t. Like Limbaugh and Pelosi, he’s a bit too animated to be taken too seriously. I expect all three of them to break out the pom-poms at any minute.
As for making fun of people’s names–I’m guilty of that one myself…but what intrigues me is the nature of that burlesque. I’m not out to stir that stink here since it would, as I’ve learned, serve no useful purpose, but I think you get my drift….
Paul
February 18th, 2010
7:51 pm
quedawg12
I don’t recognize your moniker. My frame of reference is this blog and some Progressive sites. Terms such as “Chimp” “Chimpy” “Chimperor” were used regularly.
Hi Bosch!
Why?
I’ve never been big on personal attacks. I can understand a certain level of frustration and a slip once in a while (heaven knows I’m guilty as charged) but on a regular basis? Or as a means to rebut an argument? By belittling someone’s name?
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
7:52 pm
“Nothing like taking care of your own.”
And I suppose you feel the same way about the non-convictions on the murders of blacks throughout the early 20th century too? Especially the ones in the South that went unpunished.
md
February 18th, 2010
7:52 pm
“My question now is what can be done?”
The million dollar question.
Unfortunately, it seems the only time this country ever stands together is when disaster strikes.
I think I’ll take the division and live life vs the alternative.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
7:52 pm
Bosch 7:50
There went my Mountain Dew onto my monitor!
THAT was funny!
jokerman
February 18th, 2010
7:52 pm
Paul….Are you calling me out
“Are their arguments that weak, their intellect so limited that the best they can do is playground taunts?”
Here again is the exact quote that Josef wrote..,.”“Some of your comments are among the most biased, prejudiced and bigoted on here against certain groups you somehow feel you are superior too.”
First of all I rarely make a comment, second of all I don’t feel superior to anyone, third when, and
if I make a comment it is basically germane. Josef who thinks his intellect is far superior to most of us got upset, when I called him out, and the poor fellow decided that (Well you can read the above quotation…and, which the little guy can’t proffer any evidence of my bias, preducial, or bigoted comments…The reason there aren’t any!
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
7:52 pm
kayaker,
Then what do you mean by “taking care of their own?”
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
7:55 pm
Hillbilly–
I can’t believe this! THAT line was running through my head all through this thread! I even had it pulled up to post tomorrow night!
SoCo
“It’s bad when someone feels like they have no recourse for problems they’re facing. I pray for him, his family, and anyone who’s been affected by this incident. As for you label makers, I pray that you find some humanity before something tragic befalls you or your loved ones.”
And I join you in that prayer.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
7:55 pm
Paul,
Sorry dude. Mountain Dew is too good to be wasted.
Like I said, I’m entering this conversation late, but do you just scroll past the Obama nicknames given by some here (not on the “left” mind you).
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
7:55 pm
josef
I’m sure those affected appreciate it.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
February 18th, 2010
7:56 pm
This guy could have avoided all his trouble with the IRS if he had just blamed the problem on TurboTax.
He could have even got a cushy job at the Fed to boot.
quedawg12
February 18th, 2010
7:56 pm
Kayaker 71 – Did you read the article? That was from a settlement that the USDA awarded the farmers years ago and never paid. It has been in previous budgets over the years!!!! WOW how we take bits and pieces. Nevertheless it is way less than the 7.2 billion that “other” farmers are getting from stimulus to have high speed internet run to their farms!
Paul
February 18th, 2010
7:57 pm
josef nix
Thanks for the insight. I’m speaking more of people who do it almost reflexively, and more particularly, who do it to the near exclusion of making an argument.
I did hear Beck say he’s no great intellect, not a deep thinker, just a guy with observations and questions who hearkens back to what he understands are the fundamentals upon which this country was founded. Fair enough. Plenty there to take exception with. But… and this has been my point for the last little while, regarding him or anyone else: when so much exists upon which to take exception or a different point of view, there is no need to misrepresent or make things up!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
February 18th, 2010
7:58 pm
Enter your comments here
TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
7:58 pm
Paul,
I’ll just assume that you approve of Nazis and you can think that I approve of Che and we’ll just leave it at that. Suits me.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
February 18th, 2010
7:59 pm
Or he could have pulled a Dachle, Eye four gots eye had a show fur.
Maybe he wasn’t a pinko.
Kamchak
February 18th, 2010
7:59 pm
I’ve never been big on personal attacks. I can understand a certain level of frustration and a slip once in a while (heaven knows I’m guilty as charged) but on a regular basis? Or as a means to rebut an argument? By belittling someone’s name?
Andy has been doing that for years.
You choose now to express indignation?
jokerman
February 18th, 2010
7:59 pm
“pray for him, his family, and anyone who’s been affected by this incident.”
Lying again Josef?
Hillbilly Deluxe
February 18th, 2010
8:00 pm
Southern Comfort @ 7:50
Well said.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
February 18th, 2010
8:01 pm
Or how about a Zoe Baird, My house beaner didn’t pay taxes so neither did I.
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
8:04 pm
HD
Thanks. I find it awful how some need to put labels on people. Why can’t we just be Americans?
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:04 pm
Taxpayer 7:59
I’ll chalk that up to the stimulants you’re drinking –
Kamchak
You’ve obviously not read, or maybe you haven’t been around long enough, to recall that history.
You are mistaken. But we put that aside and go for the issues. He makes some challenging points.
BTW – that “you choose only now to express outrage/indignation/whatever” line is severely overused –
SoCom
What you said. In fact, some of us said it!
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
8:09 pm
PAUL–
I got called out for some of my names for the President. They referred to his policies and not the man per se. When I did fall into the trap, Doggone called me on it and I admitted that she was right and I have tried to avoid it since. I did make the point, though, that I do refer to him as President Obama 1) when making reference to the man holding the office and, 2) when I agree with what he is saying or doing. President Obama addressed the nation’s schoolchildren. Ima Gonna two steps on DADT, DOMA, etc. I know that may sound like hair-splitting to some, but, well, it’s my own way of expressing the respect for the man and the office and the man and his actions in that office…
TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
8:10 pm
Paul,
In case you have not figured it out yet, I came after you again just to demonstrate by example your relentless attacks on Jenifer of late for doing nothing any worse than so many others here that you let slide. Have fun with that. And I hope you enjoy your Beckerhead book once you get a round tuit. Yuo do know about Beckerhead’s lies about global warming and his lames attempts to link it to the snow storms and the rounds tha he and Rachel Maddow have had on the topic. That was the basis for the “ice melting when it gets cold” reference. Just a little more FYI on your tame libertarian. I’m thinking about tuning in to Rachel’s show based on what I’ve heard about her. As for Beckerhead, this is as good as he’ll ever get from me. Ditto for Limbaugh and Hannity.
Kamchak
February 18th, 2010
8:12 pm
But we put that aside and go for the issues.
So as long he doesn’t do it to you anymore it’s OK. Got it.
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
8:14 pm
Paul
Watching the whole event unfold, I was just relieved I didn’t have to give up a day with my two ladies. Things have been so crazy since Christmas. It’s good to have a day to completely forget about things and take care of yourself.
TaxPayer
February 18th, 2010
8:18 pm
Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX) announced at a press conference Tuesday that he’s suing the Environmental Protection Agency on behalf of Texas over its December decision to regulate greenhouse gases as a pollutant. Perry stated the intent of the lawsuit was to “defend Texas’ environmental successes against federal overreach.”
In his speech to his billionaire backers, he made it very clear that Texas don’t want or need no steenking clean air.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:19 pm
josef nix
That I recognize and it’s not that to which I was referring. “Ima Gonna” and that other name are your own constructs that symbolize what he has or has not done. I was speaking of just doing a play on a name, such as was done with talk show entertainers today, or a party, such as “Republicants” or whatever or “Dimocrats’ or whatever.
I like hair splitting. And nuance. It’s an enjoyable way to torment others!
Taxpayer
That’s an interesting perception. I see Jenifer as a newbie who came on and posted attack after attack and rarely stayed on topic (she was warned today by Jay) or offered any evidence or support for her accusations.
Who else here, on either side, does that to such a degree? Most everybody will respond to a request for clarification. Her style strikes me as a regression to what this blog saw too much of a few years back.
I’ve heard Beck’s comments on global warming. I do not agree with him. Enough on that?
Regarding Hannity: my impression (subject to revision) is Beck believes what he says, while Hannity… well, whatever shocks and gets audience and makes money is fair game.
Flyer
February 18th, 2010
8:20 pm
98% of you blogging on here are either very uneducated or non-christian people they way you throw such vicious uncaring words at this man. I am very proud of the way he showed his honesty in trying to pay his “honest” share of taxes owed. He obviously made sure he dotted the I’s and crossed the T’s in all he did. You can tell he is a very highly educated person who would put most of you to shame for intellegence levels. I just hope God forgives his actions and allows him into heaven. He is 100% dead on with his comments and research he did. It’s just too bad there are so many dumbed down give a crap less Americans on this blog who most likely pay no taxes. Grow up, this government is taking everyone for a ride. You’ll be lucky with this administration if you have any freedoms left after 3 more years. Laugh and call names all you want, but I salute this man. He was not a coward to take his life. I would say it takes a pretty determined and brave person to pull something like this. A coward runs away from everything, he confronted it bravely. If you wouldn’t take a bullet to protect your family, then you are a true “coward”. The only cowards I see here are all doing the name calling. I see no compassion or remorse, just name calling. To me that is disturbing. Is this what our country is coming to? No more feelings for anyone? We are becoming so callous and unscathed at what goes on anymore it is totally scary. This nation is spiraling out of control with reality shows, immorrality, etc. It will be the rednecks who end up saving this country, just like it has always been done since our founding fathers made our great nation. Government and unions will be the final straw that broke the camel’s back. It will happen,,,, just when?
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:21 pm
Kamchak
That was pathetic.
NowReally
February 18th, 2010
8:21 pm
kayaker,
The settlement is a result of Non-Blacks taking care of their own. And the amount was settled long before Holder and Obama took office, the black farmers have been waiting a few years for the checks to be cut.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:23 pm
SoCom
It is important to keep those priorities straight. One is how to make a living. The other is what your living is all about.
Taxpayer
Which is but one reason why some of us hope to retire him.
You do realize Virginia’s doing the same thing?
stands for decibels
February 18th, 2010
8:24 pm
Any idea of where his remains will be buried? I need to take a leak.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:24 pm
Sorry Flyer, but in my universe, someone who flies a plane into a building endangering the lives of innocent people is the most disgusting of cowards. If he wanted to kill himself like a hero, he should have eaten a bullet, leaving the innocent people out of his pathetic life.
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
8:25 pm
PAUL
I always look forward to an exchange with you, and several others, for the love of nuance. I am amused sometimes by those who post under several different names and who give themselves away every time by their slavish attachment to certain phrases and verbal constructs.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:26 pm
Kamchak
Hint: IR/YW will engage in a discussion. He will back up his points. He does it quite colorfully, but he won’t shy away from a discussion.
That’s the complete opposite of Jenifer.
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
8:26 pm
“98% of you blogging on here are either very uneducated or non-christian people they way you throw such vicious uncaring words at this man”
Had you not began your post with that statement, I could give you some credit for what you’re trying to say. But, as so many others have asked before, do you have any proof to back that statement?
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:27 pm
Paul,
You sound like you need some Samoa cookies. I can send you some if you want.
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
8:28 pm
Paul
I’ve had quite a bit of living lately. Had to cut back on my Bookman time to take care of other stuff. As long as we have crazies out and about, I have job security.
jokerman
February 18th, 2010
8:30 pm
“I am amused sometimes by those who post under several different names and who give themselves away every time by their slavish attachment to certain phrases and verbal constructs.”
Josef we know full well what a genius you are, not to mention your detecting skills but your inability to tell the truth is somewhat lacking….
What would the children say Josef if they learned you were a liar, and just made stuff up…Think about it Josef!
stands for decibels
February 18th, 2010
8:31 pm
I’ve had quite a bit of living lately. Had to cut back on my Bookman time to take care of other stuff.
Tell me about it.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:31 pm
Bosch
Thanks, friend. It’s been another long day. I’m about ready to close the office door and fix a Wiser’s. Some things just strike a nerve. References to Nazis as if they’re like some political party. Slander. Viciousness masquerading as political discourse. Uh-oh… as Britney would say, “oops, I did it again..”
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:32 pm
Soco,
“do you have any proof to back that statement?”
Just that ONE?
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
8:32 pm
The black farmer settlement is one that I have been following. This is a one of those “things” which speaks to having no friends at all. The black farmer could not get a loan at the bank as easily as his white peer and, when he went to his black leadership asking for assistance, had to run head-on into the urban black disdain for the farmer rooted in some warped idee fixe that farming was not “acceptable,” that the “country people” were a holdover from something they had “escaped.”
Thank G-d, the issue is finally reaching some resolution, going back as it does to the 1880s.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:33 pm
SoCom
They’re never going to let you retire!
Hey, sfd, how’ve you been? Back for a bit of R&R?
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
8:35 pm
BOSCH–
Somoas! G-d’s gift to humanity! The Girl Scouts love me, I buy them by the case and freeze ‘em…
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:35 pm
Paul,
Drink a beer, and find you a Girl Scout strictly for cookie purposes. It’s still all good.
jokerman
February 18th, 2010
8:36 pm
josef nix @ 8:32 pm
BS!!!!
stands for decibels
February 18th, 2010
8:36 pm
either very uneducated or non-christian people they way you throw such vicious uncaring words at this man.
Oh, you haven’t heard vicious or uncaring yet.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:36 pm
josef,
Samoas definitely fall into the “there is a God and he wants us to be happy” category.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:37 pm
josef nix
We’ve discussed this before, but when the Feds finally give the Indians (correct term when speaking to you, yes?) we’ll know we’ve arrived. It’s been an issue since my college days (professor who used to speak to us in English while he was reading Iroquois). At least there was a settlement in the trust case -
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:37 pm
josef,
What am I thinking? “there is a God and SHE wants us to be happy!”
Bruno
February 18th, 2010
8:37 pm
“I am very proud of the way he showed his honesty in trying to pay his “honest” share of taxes owed.”
Flyer–I’m hoping for your sake that your post was done in a parody style. If you read the man’s manifesto, he admitted that in the 1980s he attempted to defraud the government by declaring himself to be a church, and therefore exempt from paying taxes. In my mind, that’s a double strike
against him–not only is he a thief, but he used God’s name to do it. To many folks, the second offense is greater than the first.
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
8:38 pm
Bosch
I’m just trying to go step by step. If there’s no proof of the first one, then there’s no need to go any further.
Paul
I don’t think I’ve done myself any favors by taking on additional training and responsibilities either. I”ll be able to retire by age 70.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:39 pm
Bosch
Those ARE my favorite GS cookies, btw.
But the rest of your post was weird, even for you!
And tonight it’s Wiser’s Canadian. Not beer. At least two.
stands for decibels
February 18th, 2010
8:39 pm
Amanda sez it better than I can manage:
I wish I could say with certainty that the whole world, including the right wing nuts, will not look to Stack as a hero and an inspiration, but I can’t. Unfortunately, he performed this deed in a part of the country that’s thick with crazy conspiracy theorists, militia types, and extreme right wing nuts. I mean, for f—’s sake, I’ll bet Alex Jones has a conspiracy theory about how the government is covering this up somehow and Stack was innocent or something like that by tomorrow. People like this go beyond thinking the government mishandled the David Koresh situation and go straight into acting like Koresh was some kind of hero. They lionize Randy Weaver, who to my mind was a nasty piece of work who deliberately provoked a confrontation with the government that got his wife and son killed. The Oklahoma federal building bombing was orchestrated on the anniversary of the Waco shootings, if you’ll recall. So while Stack may prove to be unaligned with any radical groups, he was sending a signal. And unfortunately, it’s a signal they want to hear. So yes, it was terrorism. And even if the President won’t call it that, I’m sure the FBI is going to be monitoring how militant right wing groups react to this attack very carefully.
angie
February 18th, 2010
8:40 pm
Joe Stack was NOT anti-government; he was anti-corrupt government. May he finally rest in peace.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:41 pm
SoCom
If it gets you more $$$ and puts you in a position to make sure the things that you didn’t like done to you aren’t done to others, then as Bosch would say, ‘it’s all good.’
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:41 pm
Bruno,
Let’s hope you’re right. I hate to get punked on the parody posters – it will make me sleep better tonight to think that you are right about that one.
Paul
February 18th, 2010
8:43 pm
Pleasant evening, all -
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:43 pm
Paul,
“But the rest of your post was weird, even for you!”
What can I say – I’m high on cookies.
getalife
February 18th, 2010
8:44 pm
It’s the opening act for the cpac con convention.
Run, dick, run.
Geez.
Bruno
February 18th, 2010
8:44 pm
angie–Take a moment and read the man’s entire manifesto:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html
There’s nothing noble or heroic about what he is complaining about. The man had difficulty managing his money, and tried to defraud the government on several occasions. He blames everyone but himself for his failures.
Southern Comfort
February 18th, 2010
8:45 pm
Paul
Right now it’s the same $$, but less restrictions on the fine art of whoop@ss. I just hope I don’t have to open any cans, because if I do, then the proverbial poop has really hit the fan.
Bruno
February 18th, 2010
8:46 pm
“it will make me sleep better tonight to think that you are right about that one.”
I was being tongue-in-cheek in hoping it was a parody piece. It wasn’t, from my estimation.
As I stated on Wednesday morning, in my experience, when people rant and rave about the government, the truth is that they are deeply unhappy in their own lives and are simply looking for a scapegoat.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:48 pm
Bruno,
“when people rant and rave about the government, the truth is that they are deeply unhappy in their own lives and are simply looking for a scapegoat.”
As our friend USinUK would say:
“Testify!”
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:49 pm
Bruno,
And I don’t care what you say….I’m gonna think “Flyer” is parody.
stands for decibels
February 18th, 2010
8:49 pm
“when people rant and rave about the government, the truth is that they are deeply unhappy in their own lives and are simply looking for a scapegoat.”
As our friend USinUK would say:
“Testify!”
That Bruno, he’s all right, he is.
kayaker 71
February 18th, 2010
8:50 pm
The settlement involves about 2400 farmers who had been denied loans because of perceived discrimination. If any of about 70K more farmers can prove that “some sort of discrimination” occured, they will be able to also recover damages. The minimum payout is 50K. And that is not the big item. Also written into the decison is “all debts on present agriculture loans will be forgiven”, in addition to the 50K They will also get 12.5K in IRS tax credits to cover their tax bills on this settlement, so essentially, the money is tax free. There are about 240 of the petitioners who will probably receive close to 250K for “exceptional” circumstances, plus the debt forgiveness and the IRS handout but the average payout will be 35-40K in an actual check. Actual outlay of tax dollars is set at about 1.25B.
Such a deal.
Brakeman
February 18th, 2010
8:51 pm
“Off Topic”
The United States needs a “Mossad” and it shoudn’t even have a name.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586578,00.html?test=latestnews
Kamchak
February 18th, 2010
8:52 pm
Kamchak
Hint: IR/YW will engage in a discussion. He will back up his points. He does it quite colorfully, but he won’t shy away from a discussion.
That’s the complete opposite of Jenifer.
So now it’s OK to move the goal line? Your complaint was about making fun of names, not as you now claim “engaging in discussion.”
And what is it with the Left and personal attacks and all the making fund of peoples’ names? Are their arguments that weak, their intellect so limited that the best they can do is playground taunts?
Please show me in this ^^^^ post of yours where you speak of engaging in discussions.
josef nix
February 18th, 2010
8:53 pm
BOSCH–
H-, Sh- or -t, G-d was in a good mood the day Somoas were created!
PAUL–
Speaking of the Indians (and, yes, that’s what Unmentionble prefers, given as he says, anybody born in the Western Hemisphere is a “Native American!”) back when we were checking out places to raise the kids, all three of whom are of Cherokee ancestry, the only criterion he stood firm on was that wherever we chose had to be on the other side of the Etowah River because they would be brought up on “home territory.” It was, as he said, “my own statement of ‘we shall overcome.’”
Bruno
February 18th, 2010
8:53 pm
Unfortunately, Bosch and sfd, I’m speaking from my own personal experience as a former ranter. RA has been extremely helpful.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:55 pm
kayaker,
When you dig yourself a sh*t hold, it’s best not to fall in it head first. Just saying.
mike
February 18th, 2010
8:56 pm
What you mean the ranting against private healthcare, “fatcat” capitalists and hatred of George Bush?
Yep I’ve sure heard that crap from you for years now Jay. Don’t go flying into any buildings now.
Bosch
February 18th, 2010
8:57 pm
make that sh*t HOLE….again, just saying.
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Bruno,
RA? I prefer cookies.
Brakeman
February 18th, 2010
8:58 pm
josef nix:
I think it was actually north of the Chattahoochee river. I’m squatting on stolen Cherokee land righ now ………. a whole 1/2 acre.