‘Labor is the superior of capital’

Hillbilly–
We’ve passed comments previously on the “spiritual” end of all this pre-capitalist “in harmony with nature” Indigenous American…Unmentionable says. “turn that thermostat up. My a$$ is freezing!”

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RW,

How much for the hoe?

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getalife,

As long as you keep the “e” on the end it’s about twenty bucks, but take the “e” off and it could range from a rock of crack to a few grand an hour.

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Doggone/GA:

History (and people’s attitudes, etc.) must be judged from the time in which they lived. By today’s standards Lincoln was a racist. At the end of the war, most norhtern states passed laws forbidding blacks to vote or their immigration into the state without posting a “bond”. In Ohio, I think the bond was $1,000.

The “slavery” in or nation continued up into the early 1900’s in the form of child slave labor in northern coal mines, factories and southern cotton mills. No one is innocent.

I was raised as a small child in the late 40’s/early 50’s in a “holler” in W.Va. where my Dad worked in the coal mines (with very little safety regulations), rented a “company” house (no inside plumbing) and bought our food at the “company” store. And by the way, he played first base on the (you guessed it) “company” baseball team. This wasn’t “slavery” but it was close to it.

Bruno:

The study of history past is very useful to us. I suggest you give it more weight in you deliberations.

“If we can help sustain an independent South Vietnam, free to determine its own future, then our prospects, and the prospects for free men throughout Asia, will be bright indeed.” Democrat Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey, Addressing West Point Cadets, June 8, 1966.

I wonder if Obama read that before he made his speech at West Point on December 1st unveilling plans to send 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan ?

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but I don’t see HD’s stories as ones of “hardship,” but quite the opposite…

What!

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Josef @ 10:21

If burning wood was so great, people would have kept doing it.

Bruno @ 10:21

I haven’t lived that life myself but I’m the first generation who never had to. A while back I was walking through one of the old fields with Daddy and I looked to the other end, 200-300 yards away, and I said, “That’s far (have to break this word to get past the moderator) ther, than it looks”. He says, “You ought to have seen how far it looked when it was 90 degrees and you were staring at the mule’s @ss”.

Unshackled

If you’re gonna pan for gold, better make sure you own the mineral rights. In Georgia, on all non-navigable streams (that means commercial navigation, not kayaks), the stream bed belongs to the property owner. If the stream is the property line, each owner owns to the middle of the stream. It takes a lot of chickens and vegetables to pay for lawyers.

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“Pan for gold.”

A few weeks ago, I swallowed a gold crown. Gave new meaning to the phrase^^^^^^^

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“The study of history past is very useful to us. I suggest you give it more weight in you deliberations.”

Studying and learning from it is one thing, using it as an excuse to carry forward old grudges is quite another.

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Here’s a tribute to your pop, HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ohn4aNGVds

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josef,

Well you said I had a better line so maybe the moderator uses that same basis for posting order, but enough about this blog or topic. Olympic skating scoring is still just as squirrely as ever. It seems the more you biff the better your scores all of a sudden.

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Know what a “lighter knot” is?

Yes, I do. We just call them pine knots here though and what’s called “lighter wood” in other places is called “rich pine” here. I’ve seen my Grandpa start a brush fire in the rain, with them, many times.

Bruno

Thanks for the tune. Daddy prefers this one, says it reminds him of growing up. I’ve got a picture of him when he was about 6 or so years old, standing in front of the one room school house, shirt, overalls, no shoes, and holding his lunch in a lard bucket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr4GT4ltvBk

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Gotta run, take it easy fellows.

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Hillbilly–
I am slow on the uptake tonight…I had that pulled up ready to send to you!

My mom was a product of the rural South in the Depression when the cash economy was all but nonexistant. She says you couldn’t find shoes and cloth to handsew clothes was hard to come by. Food, though, there was in abundance. She says “we the fattest bunch of little barefoot, ragged-a$$ kids you ever saw!”

Lighter knots? Whenever I’m back home I go up in the woods and gather a few, bring ‘em back and start a fire in the fireplace at Granny and Granddaddy’s old place. I gather strength there, too. Granddaddy was just retiring when the crash came. He lost all his capital. He had the four acres on which he had planned to put up “Miss Georgia’s” dream house. Well, so much for all that, right? Nope, he, she and the boys built the house from wood, much of which he cut and planed himself, built the fireplace himself and made sure that the inside was a work of art…he had already put in the fruit orchards…there he spent the next 40 some odd years with Miss Georgia, working on the house abd the gardens as his fortune recovered and today it is a beauty with each and every board and plank a story, not of hardship, but of love and perserverance in the face of adversity…

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P.S.

Lest there be any confusion, I have some squirrels I need to scare away.

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I, too, shall call it a day…g’night all…

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Alarms ranging from “overpopulation” to “global warming” and crusades ranging from “affordable housing” to “universal health care” have been among the distractions of political magicians. But few distractions have had such a long and impressive political track record as getting people to resent and, if necessary, hate other people.

You can see the agenda behind the rhetoric when profits are called “unconscionable” but taxes never are, even when taxes take more than half of what someone has earned, or add much more to the prices we have to pay than profits do.-Thomas Sowell

Just sayin….

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Capital gains? What’s that?

Wonder what he would say about GOP policies eliminating capital gains?

That said, I refused to rejoin the union after I was called back from being layed off in the late ’60s. I only joined when I was hired because I knew Dad would kick my butt if I didn’t.

We need to make sure neither side gets too much power. We’re in this together and need to make sure we have jobs, althought they might not pay as much or have as many benefits as we would like.

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“would say about laws that tax capital gains at a much lower rate than they tax a person’s labor.”

Here’s a suggestion for you. Let’s drop the taxes on both. Oh, I forgot, that wouldn’t fit into the us-versus-them theme of this blog would it.

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Here is another one.

Senator Babs Mikulski (D, Ma.)

Thank you Obama.

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The medal is certainly in sight for the Republicans. They’re coming into the home stretch. They’ve already shown that they have the endurance. Over a year of doing nothing but just saying no to anything and everything that would help the American people and focusing on helping no one but themselves. That’s the GOP. Real weiners. Deserving of a most befitting medal.

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Republican Purity. Is that the name of a new colon cleanser.

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Lincoln hated corporations. He did NOT view them in the same way as one would view a small business, where the owner actually DOES take risks and do much of the work that earns his money.

It was Lincoln who started the political acceptance of the first NATIONAL workers Union.

Lincoln would be quite opposed to what is today called “wage slavery” he did not approve of the idea of any one man earning money off of the labor of others.

Two related Lincoln quotes:

“What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?” Lincoln’s Cooper Institute Address, February 27, 1860.

“We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name – liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names – liberty and tyranny.” The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, “Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland” (April 18, 1864), p. 301-302.

Of course most people know that Lincoln considered corporations more dangerous to America than foreign nations and foreign armies.

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
– U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
(letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

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Or to put it simply, the role of the expansion of government was largely a late 19th Century Republican creation. The Republican party split into two parts. The original midwestern populist party of Lincoln, and a new young batch of radical Eastern elite Republicans from Wall Street which gained ascension in the election where the Democrat won the popular vote, but the Republican won the electoral college.(1876) In this election the Republican was a pro corporation radical eastern non populist Republican who asserted that with changing times, the interpretation of the constitution had to change. Then he loaded the Supreme Court with like minded Republicans. In the next ten years the United States was radically altered by those Republican appointments to the courts by mandating that corporate personhood did not make corporations the EQUAL of individuals but SUPERIOR to individuals with GREATER rights than individuals.

Once this occurred the same argument could be applied to ANY group.

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Actually virtually everything that Republicans oppose being done by Democrats are in fact mirror images of what Republicans did to give power to corporations. The Republican argument is that “capital procedes labor” which is senseless. Property is created by labor. By work. The property created by ones OWN work, according to the constitution and the interpretation of “natural” property laws belongs 100 percent to the person who created that object or property.

With the rise of corporations and industrialization, a monkey wrench was thrown into the constitutional theory of “natural” property rights. It is the WORKER who is producing the “thing of value” the “property”. But the business owner is taking a PORTION of what belongs to the person who made it. The “fruit of his labor”, is being taken by the owners of the business.

Because this is the nature of corporate business in an industrial society, laws and protections on both sides of the equation were necessary. Something completely within the jurisdiction of government, constitutionally.

This imbalance went on for several decades, but it produced massive social problems when a small group of men lived very well off of the “property rights” of others. So the government made laws to “balance off” and remunerate the workers for that loss of what was their right. 100 percent of the value of what was produced through their labor.

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