Once they get it, people like universal health insurance
Buried in the results of last week’s poll of Massachusetts votersby the Washington Post was a number that explains a lot of the politics behind the health-insurance reform controversy.
The pollster asked the following question:
As you may know, Massachusetts has a law that is aimed at assuring that virtually all Massachusetts residents have health insurance. Given what you know about it, in general, do you support or oppose the Massachusetts Universal Health Insurance Law?
A startling 68 percent of voters in an electorate that seated a Republican said they support the state’s universal health care system, while only 27 percent oppose it. Even among Scott Brown voters, 51 percent supported the law and 44 percent opposed it.
Once implemented, in other words, universal health insurance became overwhelmingly popular (the Mass. law was passed in 2006). That’s the Republicans’ worst nightmare; that’s one big reason they are fighting this so hard.
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Ridgerunner
January 28th, 2010
2:01 pm
To Doggone/GA:
Yep. I like debating not drivel. Do we have a deal?
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
Ridgerunner
January 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
Good afternoon Corporal, Are you having a bad day?
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
In the future, please ignore all of my posts. If you will, I will ignore yours.
Why, that sounds like an Enemies List! You starting another one?
Del
January 28th, 2010
2:02 pm
Police,
Did some radio relay for teams operating there….came back stateside just before the Hill wars really got going in the spring of 67.
Doggone,
I think Ramsey Youseff of the first twin tower bombing was a former Iraq intel agent.
Outhouse GoKart
January 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
What were the cops doing there? Expecting a riot? Perhaps they were the fashion police?
Paul
January 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
chuck
So your position is, what, if it’s not there, it’s not a valid exercise of power?
josef nix
We’ve quite a squabble in these parts about textbooks. Lotsa parents don’t like the cussing stuff. I think they must really, really be out of touch with what many of their kids are saying or doing.
I remember a tv show – about schools in Boston, I think, guy who was the principle is a main character in Human Target – he’d found a young lady ’servicing’ another student in a stairwell. She was running for class pres and the guy promised to throw her his support in response for her… services. So the daughter’s sitting at a table, professional yuppie-looking parents standing behind her facing the principal who just said her daughter gave the guy a (whole words) BJ. The dad was apoplectic and the mom was yelling “How dare you! My daughter doesn’t even know what that means!!”
The daughter was choking, trying not to laugh.
Time for a late lunch -
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
Ridgerunner
January 28th, 2010
1:57 pm
Good afternoon Corporal, Are you having a bad day?
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
2:03 pm
“Do we have a deal?”
No
Peela
January 28th, 2010
2:04 pm
At one point when I had hit rock bottom, I had to put my child on Medicaid. At no time in my life would I EVER wish that people would have to use government healthcare because it is the most pathetic system that I’ve seen. Thank God that I’m in a better place now and have health insurance through my employer because government run healthcare is NOT good. At no point during the time that my son was on this crap did he have one specific dr. Now, don’t get me wrong: in the practice we attend now there are several dr.’s that he will see if he is ill, but for all of his check-ups, physicals, major problems, he see’s one dr. While he was on goverment healthcare, he never saw the same dr. twice, sometimes he didn’t even go to the same practice because literally EVERY MONTH the dr. that he was assigned to would stop taking government patients because it was dragging the practice into a financial hole- EVERY MONTH he had a new dr.! We only had to spend 4 months on the government health plan, but it was 4 months too long. Until you’ve been on it, you have no idea how bad it really is.
Paul
January 28th, 2010
2:04 pm
Boston Public. I think that was the show.
Outhouse GoKart
January 28th, 2010
2:06 pm
@@
January 28th, 2010
2:06 pm
NO WAY…this is gonna get goooooddd!
@@
January 28th, 2010
2:06 pm
Whoa! Mary Landreau took a wide swing at Obama. In so many words, as politicians are oft to use, she said he wasn’t a leader. Basically resents his dumping the “fix it or else” bill in their laps while absolving himself of any blame.
Kewl!
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
2:07 pm
“I think Ramsey Youseff of the first twin tower bombing was a former Iraq intel agent”
and for that we waited, what? 10+ years to attack Iraq?
Ridgerunner
January 28th, 2010
2:09 pm
Doggone/GA: One way deal then.
Del: Beautiful place. The only reason I mentioned it, I had a tiger follow me one morning way before dawn as we headed northwest …………. spooky ………
Sick&Tired
January 28th, 2010
2:10 pm
Peela, would you have rather paid the medical bills out of your pocket? If so, why sign-up for a government program; then complain about the service.
I’ve seen people who have insurance on the job (such as myself) who end up completely in debt, due to medical expenses.
In my opinion, you should be thankful you didn’t have to pay those bills.
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
National Tea Party Convention Falls Apart: Bachmann And Blackburn Announce They Are Pulling Out.
I always love it when Karma kicks a$$. When do you think Sister Sarah will pull out? Maybe she can’t. That $100,000 speaker fee would be too much for her to pass up. As we all know, Sarah isn’t doing this for her priciples, but for money.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/28/bachmann-tea-convention/
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
“One way deal then.”
Yeah? Now we get to see how well you can keep deals with yourself.
Del
January 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
“and for that we waited, what? 10+ years to attack Iraq?”
Yeah… I agree, don’t know what took us so damn long.
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
2:12 pm
Ridgerunner,
“I must admit, that is just about the best “dodge” response I have seen posted on here for awhile.”
I’m curious as to why you think the President is required to acknowledge every single person by name in the gallery last night.
Or you just looking to nitpick about something?
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
2:13 pm
“I agree, don’t know what took us so damn long.”
I guess it’ll take 10 years to attack Saudi Arabia for the 911 attacks, too.
pat
January 28th, 2010
2:14 pm
Bull honkey…I have been treated by socialized medicine in Europe…It’s just enough, but barely. They give enough to get by that’s it…It’s far from ideal, if you need addtional help, it’s gonna take a while.
If you have a cold or flu, it’s fine serious stuff it sucks.
Southern Comfort
January 28th, 2010
2:14 pm
Bio information on Ramzi Yousef. I don’t think he was Iraqi at all.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/crime/terrorists/ramzi-yousef/
“In late 1992, Yousef entered the country with a fake Iraqi passport and asked for asylum.”
and…
“There’s a school of thought that Yousef might have been working for Iraq instead of (or in combination with) al Qaeda, particularly since the first WTC bombing took place on the anniversary of the liberation of Kuwait by allied forces in the first Gulf War. However, most theories closely tying Yousef to the government Iraq tend to involve an amount of misdirection and arcane identity switching that’s extreme even by the labyrinthine standards of international terrorism. The connection has never been proven.”
Info on that page seems pretty factual. It may not be complete, as I am not a Yousef scholar.
Ridgerunner
January 28th, 2010
2:17 pm
It is my understanding that every President since at least Reagan has invited someone who performed some heroic act to sit in the gallery with/near the First Lady.
The President, usually near the start of his speech, would then acknowledge their presence, act of heroism, etc. as an inspiration to the American people.
It’s a simple question. Did Mr. Teleprompter forget?
If I am wrong, I will stand corrected.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
2:17 pm
President Bush, like him or not, was genuine and always pointed out firemen, policemen, military heros in the gallary as his guests..I suspect obama does not travel in those circles…and a shout out to his homies in ACORN wouldn’t have gone over well politically..
Mmmmm Mmmmmmm Mmmmmmmmmmmm Chocolate the clown obama
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2010
2:18 pm
pat
then it’s a good thing universal single payer isn’t socialized medicine.
Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?
No. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. The health systems in Great Britain and Spain are other examples. But in most European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan they have socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage medical practices or hospitals.
The term socialized medicine is often used to conjure up images of government bureaucratic interference in medical care. That does not describe what happens in countries with national health insurance where doctors and patients often have more clinical freedom than in the U.S., where bureaucrats attempt to direct care.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq#socialized
So glad I could help you out……
Peela
January 28th, 2010
2:21 pm
Sick and Tired,
The only reason he was on it was because I knew it was going to be short term. If it WERE long term, I would have paid the medical bills out of my pocket until I could put him on my employers’ healthcare plan. Instead, his dad went back to work and put him on HIS healthcare plan. But, you are missing the point. If we were to get government healthcare, you may not have to pay the bills out of pocket, per se, but you WILL have to deal with shoddy healthcare. So, it’s up to you: stay on your plan that gives you good healthcare, at a price, OR go on the government dole and receive the crap they call healthcare that you don’t pay for, where you get marginal care because you had to keep going to a different dr. that wasn’t familiar with your health history. You truly DO get what you pay for and at this point in my life, I will NEVER have any of my immediate family members on government healthcare because I have wisened up and would rather pay out of pocket for medical expenses if I had no insurance and receive quality healthcare than die because the government is running it and we can’t get the proper treatment we need. From experience, this is what I would do, but you can’t justify this experience yourself because you’ve never had to be on the government healthcare plan. You may get to try it here soon, though.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
2:22 pm
outhouse, paul…
pulled it up and read that part…Ima Gonna…okay, whatever….
jewcowboy–
I use it with my fifth graders…just like from way back, the “good words” are all highlighted by the inquisitive little scholars…! We have a lesson on “bad words” and what makes them “bad…”
PAUL–
What to teach is always a big issue with the lit teachers especially. My high school English teacher, a magnificent old windmill tilter, taught the Song of Solomon, the Book of Esther, the Rubayyat, Anthony and Cleopatra and Peyton Place–the objective being, “see how low we’ve sunk in good smut in the 20th Century!”
getalife
January 28th, 2010
2:23 pm
I was looking forward to the tea convention.
Damn shame.
Del
January 28th, 2010
2:24 pm
“I guess it will take 10 years to attack Saudi Arabia for the 911 attacks, too”
I sure hope not because we could certainly use the oil not mention the revenue to bring down our national debt.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
2:24 pm
When I was deciding on whether i wanted the BMW 650i or the Lexus ISF, the accelerator pedal wasn’t big on the list compared to cool looks..
But since lexus is being recalled like all toyota models before the throttle sticks and they suddenly slam you into a brick wall or bridge abutment’, It seems I chose wisely..
Which proves my theory, I love german Engineering!
Outhouse GoKart
January 28th, 2010
2:25 pm
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
2:17 pm
Ya…and bringing Ayers or Wright (GD America) wouldnt have gone over very well either. Obama hates Amercians.
Outhouse GoKart
January 28th, 2010
2:26 pm
“BMW 650i”
SWEET!
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2010
2:26 pm
Peela
Shoddy healthcare because you saw more than one doctor in a group?
Hell, I’ve got BC/BS and usually only see the nurse practicioner.
Was the child made safe and healthy?
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
2:26 pm
josef nix,
“just like from way back, the “good words” are all highlighted by the inquisitive little scholars”
nice to know some things never change
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
2:26 pm
“I sure hope not because we could certainly use the oil not mention the revenue to bring down our national debt”
Well, we can always elect Jeb Bush for President. Maybe he’ll follow in his brother’s “war” footsteps.
godless heathen
January 28th, 2010
2:28 pm
$457.4 million for 20,000 jobs
$22,800 per job.
Now those are some great numbers. And who will sustain these jobs when the Federal subsidy dries up?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 28th, 2010
2:29 pm
Well, seems to me we need to be alot nicer to other people on this blog.
So I say us Conservatives all get together and buy the libruls here that are in favor of this health care bill a new Toyota. Then we can get together to sellabrate somewhere along I-285 as we watch them drive them. You’ll need to look quick, though. When that pedal sticks a Toyota really gets on the move fast. It’ll be out of sight in a second.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Whacks Eloquent
January 28th, 2010
2:30 pm
One of the tea party regional organizers recently said trying to do a convention would be like trying to “herd cats”. The people who associate with the tea party movement abhor any waste of money, even if it is supposedly for their benefit. I wish all political groups had the conviction to stand up for their beliefs as such.
The tea party movement is not dying, you liberals only wish it would! Why is that? Would you just prefer the old corrupt GOP types, rather than ones who actually care about trying to make this country better? I’d rather deal with a MoveOn supporter than a old-school Dem goon, at least they believe in what they are talking about…
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
2:31 pm
President Obama’s Renewed Pledge To End Bush’s Tax Cuts For Wealthy
“Trickle down” is not good economic policy and anybody that hasn’t figured that out by now, hasn’t been paying attention.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/28/831403/-President-Obamas-renewed-pledge-to-end-Bushs-tax-cuts-for-wealthy
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
2:31 pm
outhouse gokart…
That car has now supplanted my boyfriend as the love of my life!!
I love them both but if I could only keep 1…….
Certified pre-owned is the way to go, too..I got it almost $23K under msrp for having 11,000 miles thats like $2 depreciation per mile, pretty good deal..
Del
January 28th, 2010
2:31 pm
Doggone,
On electing Jeb Bush, actually I’m kind of hoping that Obama might want to get some on his own before he gets voted out of office.
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
2:32 pm
ROLLERGIRL,
“always pointed out firemen, policemen, military heros in the gallary as his guests..”
One moment the right is decrying political correctness as a disease on society, and then they turn around and berate someone for not being politically correct enough for their tastes.
Good ole hypocrisy.
Bosch
January 28th, 2010
2:33 pm
“The tea party movement is not dying, you liberals only wish it would!”
Oh, no we don’t! Those guys crack me up!
Swami Dave
January 28th, 2010
2:34 pm
Why not repost this under some other headings?
Overwhelming Majority Of Respondents Like Benefits For Which Others PayPolls Show Most Prefer Being Wolf To Being SheepFood Tastes Better When You Can Force Someone Else To Pay For ItThieves Happier Than Victims When InterviewedMost Would Prefer Others Work If They Could Still Get Paid
The reality is that liberalism is nothing but justification of theft based on political power. One person robbing a “rich” person is theft and illegal. A group of people (gang) robbing the “rich” person is theft and illegal. A political class electing thieves to rob the “rich” person and redistribute her wealth as transfer payments is “legislating”.
Sorry Jay. All liberals and their beneficiaries are thieves. Liberals do with legislation what muggers do with guns!
-SD
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
2:37 pm
ROLLERGIRL,
“Which proves my theory, I love german Engineering!”
Better be careful…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-379589/Drivers-terrifying-130mph-drive.html
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/hardware/0,39042972,39130270,00.htm
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
2:38 pm
“The tea party movement is not dying, you liberals only wish it would!”
Oh my goodness gracious, NO! I don’t want the tea partiers to go away. They are such cheap entertainment, I hope they hang around forever.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
2:38 pm
Jewcowboy, since when is it political correctness to point out heros? The simple fact is, the left has differing hero standards…maybe obama couldnt find a transgendered Bi-racial community organizer in a che’ tshirt , on short notice
joe matarotz
January 28th, 2010
2:38 pm
Jay B,
If you’re trying to make a case, it would be helpful to include the link. Being a thoughtful kind of guy, I did the work for you. Here it is:
https://www.mahealthconnector.org/portal/site/connector/
I believe in seeing for myself. It is an interesting website but you can’t compare apples to apples because of price differences by state. Worth a look at anyway.
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
2:44 pm
ROLLERGIRL,
“Jewcowboy, since when is it political correctness to point out heros”
Always
politically correct
Function: adjective
Date: 1936
: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated
hypocrisy
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy
AmVet
January 28th, 2010
2:46 pm
SoCo, re your 12:31, only when they take it from my cold, dead hands! BWA!!
Yosarian, that looks damn interesting. I may need the abridged version though!
Single Payer. Now. Everybody in, nobody out. (Yes, even the conned…)
mike
January 28th, 2010
2:56 pm
Stating that the GOP should be fearful that Massachusetts voters support universal health care is like saying the Dems should be fearful that Georgia voters support concealed carry permits.
Let me know when a purple state supports universal health care.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
2:57 pm
JCB..thats why i said “President Bush, like him or not, was genuine ..”
I think those are the guys he really felt close with..and obama really feels close with acorn type scum…but he can;t show affection for his buddies in public..he does it behind closed doors, which is a politically correct thing, in my view..
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
2:58 pm
“Many tea party activists across the country are boycotting the convention over its $550-per person ticket price and the $100,000 speaking fee being paid to Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice presidential nominee.
The convention is being run by a Tennessee lawyer, Judson Phillips, who has said he hopes to turn a profit on the convention.”
While I don’t think the emotion expressed at the tea parties is phony (misguided, perhaps) I think that last line just about sums up the real motive behind the organizers for all of the “tea parties.”
Whacks Eloquent
January 28th, 2010
2:58 pm
Anyone else find the term “single payer” ironic in that the payer would be the federal government, using revenue collected from the taxpayers?
Unless Warren Buffett or George Soros is the lone source…
AmVet
January 28th, 2010
2:58 pm
I’m still laughing over the far right wing’s very strange obsession with teleprompters.
What the hell is that?
I guess they truly believe that the leader of the free (well, sort of) world should commit to memory vast tracts of speeches, endless pages of other text and addresses? And to them this would be just a Jim Dandy use of his time?
I suppose he could just go old school and use typed documents. Right, corporal?
Or is that also “cheating” in the parallel reality of the Republiconned?
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
They just had the head of the Nigerian central bank on cnbc, and he didn’t tell cramer that for $10,000 he could share a vast fortune of $118 million which he can’t get to without paying the back rent on a safe deposit box..’ what a Gyp…
mike
January 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
AmVet –
“I’m still laughing over the far right wing’s very strange obsession with teleprompters.”
It’s just the corollary of the far left wing’s very strange obsession with Bush’s verbal gaffes.
Petty people complain about petty things.
Paul
January 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
Rollergirl 6:54
The Lexus recall was for floor mats, I believe, not accelerator pedals.
Glad you like the Beemer. Hope you feel the same way when the resale value and 3-4 year reliability issues kick in –
And how on earth does one decide between two completely different vehicles like a 6-series and an ISF?!!??
Ah, I see it’s a certified car. Good move. May want to consider not retaining after the warranty period, depending on your maintenance history.
Jenifer 2:31
But tax cuts for the not so wealthy are economically sound?
Bosch – Jenifer
May want to be careful, there. Awful lot of moderate to liberal folks in MA were a bit ticked at those tea party descriptions when what they were concerned about was what they saw as excessive gov’t spending. They voted Republican.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
“I suppose he could just go old school and use typed documents. Right, corporal?”
Actually, I wish he would. Looks more scholarly and this administration is all about image…
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
3:00 pm
“Anyone else find the term “single payer” ironic in that the payer would be the federal government, using revenue collected from the taxpayers?”
No. If the Federal government was the sole payer, instead of numerous insurance companies, private payers, etc. it WOULD be “single” payer. What’s “ironic” about that?
Whacks Eloquent
January 28th, 2010
3:01 pm
jewcowboy,
What is the emotion at the tea parties misguided? They have a distrust of elected officials. Who the hell has given them reason to believe any differently? The organizers may be greedy, but the people who consider themselves as revolutionaries are banding together to find alternate and support alternate candidates, and therein lies their power.
pat
January 28th, 2010
3:02 pm
Granny let me help you out….You know why Dr.s and hospitals like the proposals? Because it does nothing to lower costs…They can sky rocket unabaited. No lies from moveon.org or thinkprogress.org are going to change this fact.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
3:04 pm
PAUL–
The moderates are getting ticked off by a lot of things, but I daresay they’re the most ticked off by the left-right polarization trying to box them in…it’s gotten w-a-a-y out of hand. Political and social discourse has been reduced to a menu fixe of catch phrases, one from column A and one from column B…they are not even very colorful…
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
3:05 pm
“The Lexus recall was for floor mats, I believe, not accelerator pedals”
That’s what they said at the time, now they aren’t so sure. Rumor is, it’s some kind of computer problem…but I had that one about 3rd hand and haven’t actually heard it anywhere else.
FinnMcCool
January 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
Howard Zinn of “A People’s History” fame died too.
Mick
January 28th, 2010
3:06 pm
**They voted Republican.**
I think they more or less voted for the person rather than the party. Brown was a better candidate and would have retained the seat even if he was a dem. Coakley was a dud.
Kamchak
January 28th, 2010
3:07 pm
Or he go really old school and write speeches on the back of envelopes.
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
3:10 pm
“Or he go really old school and write speeches on the back of envelopes”
Speech, not speeches
Mick
January 28th, 2010
3:11 pm
** “President Bush, like him or not, was genuine ..”**
One thing I have to give him credit for is staying out of the picture unlike the coward fearmonger cheney.
Paul
January 28th, 2010
3:12 pm
josef nix
Agreed. And I think they really get ticked at the attitude of “you don’t agree with me so you must be a racist, selfish extremist!”
DoggoneGA
Thanks. I’ve been following it pretty closely and so far it’s been all Toyota with the linkage. Just heard a report on NPR that Ford is suspending full-size production as the accelerator linkage/pedals they use are the same supplier as Toyota -
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
3:14 pm
Finn–
I use the Young People’s History of the United States a lot for supplemental materials…
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
3:14 pm
“Just heard a report on NPR that Ford is suspending full-size production as the accelerator linkage/pedals they use are the same supplier as Toyota -”
I guess I’m ok, then…my van is 15 years old, and my car is 5 years old…both Fords.
Carter is a Fool
January 28th, 2010
3:15 pm
Once they get it, they like it. Well if you are getting screwed it is better to resign yourself to it than complain about what you have no control over.
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2010
3:16 pm
pat
let me help you out right back….
you’re wrong
but I think you are talking about the current senate bill and not Universal Single Payer
glad to be of service
AmVet
January 28th, 2010
3:17 pm
Doggone, and in this case, “numerous” payers means, literally tens of thousands of health care organizations, HMOs, billing agencies, etc.
Talk about your “bureaucracy”!
Bloated, inept, enormously fraud ridden and wasteful. To the tune of about $400 billion.
But hey! It’s how we roll! We love our modern criminals. (As long as they are white collar, of course.)
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2010
3:18 pm
oh and pat
anytime you want to show some data on think progress or moveon lies -i’d love to see it.
more studious folks have failed at that task….
Paul
January 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
DoggoneGA
I should have added ’suspending production in China.”
Those are good records. I had a Ford that ran and ran and ran. Was in pristine shape. Now the Fusion’s named Motor Trend’s Car of the Year. And Ford’s making money, has reinstituted profit sharing for hourly workers and didn’t take any govt $$$ during the crisis.
Off hand, I’d say the guy from Boeing running the company is worth what they’re paying him. Seems to be doing a darn sight better with his responsibilities than the leaders in Congress.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
3:20 pm
PAUL–
Got tickled the other night when one of the liberal left addressed me as Josef Goebbels and called me a nazi…! Wonder what the liberal left anti-Semites hereabouts would make of that?
AmVet
January 28th, 2010
3:23 pm
Paul and josef, I too am awaiting DADT time here.
I have a few comments on the subject. (Can you imagine that?)
But I also kind of dread the venom that will also ultimately appear…
Doggone/GA
January 28th, 2010
3:25 pm
“Those are good records”
I’ve been pretty lucky with most of my cars. Had 2 VW vans that got almost 200,000 miles each. Had an Isuzu diesal that got 204,000 and then I gave it away. My van has 235,000 miles on it, but I only use it for dog events. My previous car was an Escort wagon, had absolutely no engine trouble on it right up to the day it died at 9 years old and over 200,000 miles – but it died hard. So now I have a used Focus wagon – like it so far, but only had it about a year.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
3:25 pm
AmVet…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z3ad7V30ZU
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
3:27 pm
AmVet…
If you’re awaiting DADT time here, you best not hold your breath…I may be wrong, but I doubt it…methinks we’ll get party-line…you can bet your bottom dollar, though, it’ll be a McCain comment and not a Skelton one if it ever does…
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
3:30 pm
Yes, for goodness sake, please bring on the data on the lies that Think Progress, Daily Kos, Huffington Post and MoveOn have told.
Come on! Bring it on! We’d love to see it!
You can do it! You can do it! You can do it!
Come on now! Get with it!
jewcowboy
January 28th, 2010
3:31 pm
Whacks Eloquent,
“What is the emotion at the tea parties misguided?”
There seems to be no cohesiveness to any message when looking at these demonstrations. It reminds me of those who come out to protest against the WTO…just a lot of anger…with no direction. Filled with an ample supply of nut cases.
It seems like they are incensed and have no idea what they are irate about so they latch onto the topic du jour. Of course I tend to think all demonstrations are an act of futility at best.; meant more to vent frustration rather than work for a solution. Essentially, demonstrations seem to me to be the lazy way out. Just a personal opinion.
Paul
January 28th, 2010
3:34 pm
josef nix
I saw that. Floored me. I admired your restraint.
I noted to Jenifer – it’s pretty amazing how the Left uses such terms to describe what they see as those on the right, when the Nazis and other such parties have roots in, and much more in common with, the farlLeft political agenda!
But we must never examine history or challenge our own prejudices, eh?
Balance Our Budget
January 28th, 2010
3:34 pm
Obama accepted some of the blame for not explaining healthcare reform well enough.What they do not seem to be able to accept is that maybe we do understand it and just don’t like what they are trying to sell us.How many more speeches will it take before we get it. NEVER
Even liberal Mass. don’t get it.
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
3:35 pm
jewcowboy 3;31;
sounds like a good description of the current democrat(can’t agree among themselves or anybody else) congress.
pat
January 28th, 2010
3:35 pm
The good news is that Health care deform is dead in it’s current form. And there’s no way there’s going to be a public option in it’s next iteration. So the point is moot, why bother talking about it as if it’s still on the radar.
It’s a liberal pipe dream…A wet one too.
Whacks Eloquent
January 28th, 2010
3:35 pm
jewcowboy,
They may not be the most cohesive bunch, but they have one benefit the WTO protesters don’t – they can actually vote those whom they deem “offenders” out of office. The WTO and G8 people just start burning stuff until they are whisked away or tear gassed, because there is nothing else they can do! So maybe they don’t have a unified message, other than kick out the incumbents. Doesn’t that work anyway? Isn’t that basically what MoveOn.org focused on in the end a few years ago? That’s my point, the tea partiers are the conservative counterpart to the moveon.org movement, and I think in their own ways each is positive. The idiots who blindly vote for their party year after year without looking at or examining records, but just basing it on personality, they are the ones who have allowed us to stay in this quagmire…
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
3:36 pm
Please, please, pretty, pretty please!
Yes, for goodness sake, please bring on the data on the lies that Think Progress, Daily Kos, Huffington Post and MoveOn have told.
Come on! Bring it on! We’d love to see it!
You can do it! You can do it! You can do it!
Come on now! Get with it!
Sam
January 28th, 2010
3:36 pm
jay, the point is not whether it works or not, or whether people like it or not. the point is it has to be defeated so the status quo and those that benefit from it can regain their power and money. second point is to defeat everything the other side wants so that they can be re-elected next time around…
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2010
3:39 pm
pat
rather inelegantly put don’t you think?
and reports of its demise are most certainly premature..
Paul
January 28th, 2010
3:39 pm
Granny Godzie – Jenifer
Ever gone to one of those ‘big’ website’s home offices and found… a home office?
Just for you: Media Matters for America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwhPi5FoIEo
Paul
January 28th, 2010
3:41 pm
Jenifer 3:36
You may want to ask getalife that question when he shows up. DailyKos banned him for supporting Hillary. Wrong kind of a liberal, I suppose -
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
3:42 pm
Don’t be shy! Bring that data on!
Yes, for goodness sake, please bring on the data on the lies that Think Progress, Daily Kos, Huffington Post and MoveOn have told.
Come on! Bring it on! We’d love to see it!
You can do it! You can do it! You can do it!
Come on now! Get with it!
Reality
January 28th, 2010
3:43 pm
Gee – Do you mean to infer that republicans ever try to mis-state the intentions of Obama or any democrat plan? LOL! Have you SEEN the news on FOX?
Universal Health Care is a vast improvement over our current over priced and second-rate health system in the US. Repbulicans state that the US has “the best” health system in the world while we really rank in the teens. Republcians try to scare by saying that it is “government run” when it really is not.
Repbulican = liars = hypocrites
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
3:44 pm
Paul;
LMAO !
Granny Godzilla
January 28th, 2010
3:44 pm
Paul
saw that earlier….pretty funny stuff.
i can imagine how frustrating it must be for Fox to be watched so carefully…that’s funny stuff too
Bosch
January 28th, 2010
3:44 pm
The biggest problem I see with people’s perception of health care reform, is they rely too much on what special interests group say “might” happen, or “could” happen. Hell, anything “could” happen – like a meteor “could” fall out of the sky and land on your head.
I’ve said this before – single payer, universal health care will happen in the future, maybe not now, but it will happen. And most people will not notice a thing. It’s like dreading, dreading, dreading a shot – then you get it and your like “well that wasn’t as bad as I thought.”
A single payer system would help so many people – the people complaining about it as too hung up on the “what ifs” to see it really is a better system. Their arguments are so easy to counter it’s almost sad.
pat
January 28th, 2010
3:46 pm
Here’s a lie from thinkprogress…
http://politicsandcriticalthinking.blogspot.com/2009/03/from-think-progress-to-think-lies.html
That took like .0000002 seconds to find.