Once they get it, people like universal health insurance

Buried in the results of last week’s poll of Massachusetts votersby the Washington Post was a number that explains a lot of the politics behind the health-insurance reform controversy.

The pollster asked the following question:

As you may know, Massachusetts has a law that is aimed at assuring that virtually all Massachusetts residents have health insurance. Given what you know about it, in general, do you support or oppose the Massachusetts Universal Health Insurance Law?

A startling 68 percent of voters in an electorate that seated a Republican said they support the state’s universal health care system, while only 27 percent oppose it. Even among Scott Brown voters, 51 percent supported the law and 44 percent opposed it.

Once implemented, in other words, universal health insurance became overwhelmingly popular (the Mass. law was passed in 2006). That’s the Republicans’ worst nightmare; that’s one big reason they are fighting this so hard.

242 comments Add your comment

Matilda

January 28th, 2010
12:15 pm

Except haters, of course. I mean, they’ll TAKE the medical care and subsidized Viagra, but they won’t like it!

Curious Observer

January 28th, 2010
12:21 pm

Georgia’s state agencies spent $457.4 million in federal stimulus dollars over the last three months, funding 20,007 jobs, says a state report.

AJC, 1/28/2010

We don’t need no stinking stimulus (that don’t provide no jobs anyway) and we don’t need no universal health insurance neither. Course, if they put it out there, we’d be a fool not to use it.

joan

January 28th, 2010
12:24 pm

Yes, but then Jay, you are talking about statewide healthcare–healthcare at the state, rather than the federal level. I think people believe they have a bigger say in what goes on in their state than they do with what goes on in the federal government. Of course too, you have to look at the percentage of entitlement classes in any given state to figure whether that state would be likely to support or not. The more leeches there are in the system, the less likely the taxpayer is going to support any healthcare bill. Unfortunately, we have a growing class of dependents in this country, and the healthcare bill proposed is simply unsustainable. They will collect taxes for 3 years to support it before offering it, and it will be out of money within a very short time after benefits begin to be paid. Big government equals big corruption. The feds ought to clean up the corruption in Medicare/Aid right now, and save billions of dollars. But they don’t.

El Jefe

January 28th, 2010
12:25 pm

Jay,

You have to understand, Health care at the state level is a responsible move, at the federal level it is not constitutional.

BTW, how is it doing budget wise? How many are still uninsured?

Mick

January 28th, 2010
12:30 pm

Yes, medicare for all wouldn’t that be great?

Paul

January 28th, 2010
12:31 pm

Jay

And that level of support was in spite of increasing costs and other ‘difficulties’ often cited by those outside Massachusetts as to why it’s not a good thing.

And let’s not forget – that was a Romney plan, backed by Sen Brown. Should make for interesting theater if Romney’s a candidate.

joan

There’s a difference between a universal plan as we see in MA and the plan that died in Congress to provide a means of insurance for the currently uninsured. Comparing the cost structures of the two is simply inaccurate.

Jimmy62

January 28th, 2010
12:31 pm

1. The constitution does not say state governments can’t do this, but it does say that the federal government cannot do this
2. The system you are lauding is bankrupting that state
3. Of course people like it, who doesn’t like free money? Let’s just take every dollar kept by the top 1% and distribute it to everyone else. That would be politically very popular, but is it fair and just? is it the right thing to do? Does it violate the principles our country was founded on, as universal national health insurance would?

BTW, once you remove consideration of risk from pricing, it’s no longer insurance, it’s stealing from the rich to give to the poor (or from the healthy to the sick). Either way, it’s not even close to the definition of insurance, so please stop using words that are lies.

Southern Comfort

January 28th, 2010
12:31 pm

I have a question for all the retired or active duty military that blog here. Are you willing to give up your “government run” healthcare?

NJ

January 28th, 2010
12:31 pm

P.S, 80 percent of the interest on the debt is for past defense spending. That comes to about 380 billion. Put together the tax cuts, spending for two wars started by the previous administration and interest on the defense debt and you get 90 percent of the 2010 deficit

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

January 28th, 2010
12:32 pm

Taxachussetts has it, they voted overwhelmingly against it, what is the moonbat talking about?

Paul

January 28th, 2010
12:36 pm

jimmy62

[[but it (the Constitution) does say that the federal government cannot do this]]

Citation?

Jess

January 28th, 2010
12:36 pm

Big difference. Mass. passed a bill to assure everyone had health insurance. Obama and congress are selling comprehensive health care reform. Had they simply said we want a bill which will assure everyone who needs it has coverage, it would have been a lot smoother ride. Mass. worked within the system. Obama wants to control the system.

This is why Scott Brown supported the Mass. plan, but rejects the Federal plan.

Mr. Miyagi

January 28th, 2010
12:37 pm

It’s good enough for the goose, but not the gander. Peeps love social programs they benefit from, when it benefits thy neighbor….not so much! It’s the true Christian mantra….

getalife

January 28th, 2010
12:38 pm

Andy,

They have State run health care they like and don’t want to replace it with the corporate welfare Senate bill.

Jenifer

January 28th, 2010
12:41 pm

Universal health insurance now!

Of course they like universal health insurance. There’s nothing not to like about it.

Paul

January 28th, 2010
12:42 pm

Hi Jenifer

Glad you’re back. Could you please clarify the ‘fascist’ comment?

Jimmy62

January 28th, 2010
12:43 pm

Paul: The power to regulate health insurance is not specifically laid out in the Constitution, thus it would fall under the Interstate Commerce Clause… Except if you live in Georgia, you cannot purchase a policy in Kentucky, thus health insurance is NOT interstate commerce, and Congress cannot, under the Constitution, do this.

Peadawg

January 28th, 2010
12:44 pm

Ike I’ve said…with how many loop holes there are in Medicaid…the US government DOES NOT need to run another health insurance program.

getalife

January 28th, 2010
12:44 pm

They just voted to raise the debt ceiling to 12.4 trillion.

It passed. 60-39.

Jenifer

January 28th, 2010
12:48 pm

Conservatives Love Universal Health Care Once It Happens, And Scott Brown Is No Exception

Once this passes, the hysteria will recede. Subsidized health insurance exchanges will soon be the new status quo. The usual suspects will line up to defend the status quo. republicants will eventually win elections by promising to protect health care spending from cuts, while insisting that whatever new reform proposal the Democrats have is crazified socialism.

And the circle of life will continue.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/01/conservatives-love-universal-health-care-once-it-happens-and-scott-brown-is-no-exception.php

Ponder

January 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

“…that’s one big reason they are fighting this so hard.”…

Great job Jay — you’ve nailed the reason!! We’ll just ignore the backroom LA, NE and union deals, etc…

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

At least, they like it so long as they can go to the US to get their critical needs addressed. Thank goodness we have leftist overlords to tell us what we need.

Paul

January 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

Jimmy62

Thanks for the information.

Granny Godzilla

January 28th, 2010
12:49 pm

Problem is some folks refuse to get it.

The “I got mine” club.

Universal Single Payor and please hurry.
I have a grandchild on the way….it’s real personal now.
They lost their healthcare coverage which scares them, but
are grateful for the Presidents help with COBRA.

Paul

January 28th, 2010
12:51 pm

Jenifer

[[Conservatives Love Universal Health Care Once It Happens, And Scott Brown Is No Exception]]

As noted earlier, the MA plan we spearheaded by Mitt Romney. Brown fought for its passage.

So… what you’re advocating is a Republican plan, eh?

Yosarian

January 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

hey Amvet;
I came across this article and thought of you…it seems to echo the theme of many of your posts.
(I found this while researching Clinton’s bailout of American Banks who had invested heavily in risky Mexican Bonds back in the 90s and lost their a$$es- you know the rest of that story).
http://mises.org/rothbard/WSBanks.pdf

Jay

January 28th, 2010
12:56 pm

Yeah, Ponder, because until that stuff surfaced the GOP was really being supportive, right?

How many GOP reps voted for the House bill, which had none of those provisions?

The answer is one, with 176 voting against.

jconservative

January 28th, 2010
12:58 pm

You can thank Mitt Romney for the Mass. law. And you can thank Romney for the fact that it covers those at 300% of the poverty level. The House & Senate bills only covered at 125%. And Brown not only voted for it but fought for its passage.

What the Mass voters sent to DC was a Liberal in Conservative clothing.
Watch your sheep!

HG3

January 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

A general observation on how to be canned from this Blog…

The Express Lane to The Bookman Choir Invisible:

1) Post something moderately uninformed, unsupported, etc.;
2) Get called out;
3) Submit another post trying to justify 1), above;
4) Be roundly ridiculed;
5) Backed into a corner, either:
a. Launch on the blog something beyond 1), above, that is truly indefensible, often linked to Timothy McVeigh or other right-wing psychotics; or
b. Retreat into juvenile or inappropriate name calling; then
6) Walk the Long Green Mile.

Mick

January 28th, 2010
12:59 pm

**They just voted to raise the debt ceiling to 12.4 trillion.**

A trillion here, a trillion there, who’s counting anymore? By the way, what comes after a trillion?

RB from Gwinnett

January 28th, 2010
1:00 pm

I’d think it was a great idea too if I didn’t have to pay for it.

Why is it so hard for you fake compasionate liberals to understand none of this can be sustained? More and more people will join the welfare class because it’s easier than working and fewer and fewer will be left to pay for it all.

The truth of the matter is nearly every one of you liberals only cares about these poor “less fortunate” souls as long as it’s somebody else doing the helping and somebody else paying for it. When you’re ready to let some poor family live with you or pay for their healthcare, then you’re showing compassion for them. Whining on a blog and voting to spend other peoples money doesn’t qualify.

Granny Godzilla

January 28th, 2010
1:01 pm

it’s mutating…..

Jay

January 28th, 2010
1:01 pm

It’s always interesting to see how outraged some on the right appear to be at learning that politicians cut deals in exchange for votes, as happened with the health-insurance bill. They claim ignorance of the fact that such deals haven’t been cut for centuries.

For example, if you want to talk in terms of bribery and intimidation, the GOP’s handling of the prescription drug bill sets the standard by which all else should be measured:

Here’s the account from the conservative Club for Growth, just to refresh your memory:

“Members were promised pork barrel projects. They were threatened with primary challengers. The President, who had just returned from Britain, called lawmakers at 5:00 in the morning to round up a few more votes.

Todd Aiken of Missouri got a call from a state legislator earlier in the day, no doubt at the urging of the White House, threatening to run a primary challenge against him if he voted no. ….

But nothing compares to the disgusting behavior of the Republican leadership toward Michigan’s Nick Smith. Smith is retiring from the House and his son is running in a crowded field to succeed him. The leadership first offered unbelievable enticements to change his vote to a yes. First, they said that the leadership would take the unusual step of endorsing his son Brad in the tight primary race. Smith said no deal. Then they promised to raise $100,000 for Brad Smith if he voted yes. He still said no. Then several Republican leaders threatened that if he didn’t change his vote they would raise money for his son’s opponents. At this point, Nick’s wife called her son to tell him of the situation. Brad Smith phoned his dad and heroically told him to vote his conscience and to not worry about the House race. Smith stuck with his no vote. Several infuriated Republicans in the House were still fuming after the vote and taunted Nick Smith with threats that “we will make sure your son never wins this seat.” Ugly stuff.

By 5:00 a.m. many members were starting to suffer from sleep deprivation (was this done intentionally to break down their will to resist?). The drug bill was still stuck at a vote of 216-218. The vote count on the board had not moved in nearly an hour. Incredibly, the bill was going down to defeat. According to the Washington Post, on several occasions House Majority Leader Tom Delay was ready to throw in the towel and end the vote. Each time he was urged by the White House to hold off a little longer.

Then the White House and the Whip team tried one more desperation tactic. They went to two western state members, Trent Franks and Butch Otter, and told them that if they didn’t change their votes, the President would immediately instruct the House leadership to pass the Democratic version of the bill. These two were told that they were the only ones standing between passage of an even worse Medicare drug bill. I’m convinced the White House was bluffing and this was simply another scheme to peel off votes. We’ll never know, because Franks and Otter changed to yes votes after getting calls from the President and the bill passed 220-215 as two other lawmakers voted to be on the prevailing side.”

Now THAT’S some strong-arm tactics.

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:02 pm

jconservative

[[What the Mass voters sent to DC was a Liberal in Conservative clothing.]]

Maybe what MA voters sent to DC was a kind of Republican not welcomed by the current activists for years, who represents the best hope for the Party to expand its reach beyond purity principles? You know, more socially liberal, more live and let live, yet still adhering to the fiscal principles?

Shawny

January 28th, 2010
1:06 pm

One of these bills is not like the other.
duh.

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

Jay

I’ve often quipped one thing I didn’t care about Spkr Pelosi is how she out-DeLayed DeLay.

I may have to rethink that.

@@

January 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

I’ll pull from Governor McDonnell’s comments on this one:

Top-down one-size fits all decision making should not replace the personal choices of free people in a free market, nor undermine the proper role of state and local governments in our system of federalism. As our Founders clearly stated, and we Governors understand, government closest to the people governs best.

Voters in a state can have an impact that stands separate from the rest of the nation. We’re not subject to catch the same disease that exists…..in say, California. We’re more inclined, locally, to get our ducks in a row rather than having the federal government take free shots at ducks from a blind in Washington.

Jay

January 28th, 2010
1:07 pm

So Shawny, if Obama had proposed universal health care a la Massachusetts, you and other Republicans would have supported it?

Is that what you’re saying?

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2010
1:08 pm

“Except if you live in Georgia, you cannot purchase a policy in Kentucky,”

Yeah? Then why is MY insurance BC/BS of ALABAMA?

Granny Godzilla

January 28th, 2010
1:09 pm

RB

Stuff and nonsense.

It is not only sustainable but in the end it will be more cost effective.

I remember my Granny being scared of giving up her wringer washer…..she got over it.

thomas

January 28th, 2010
1:11 pm

Some strong arm,

Some just give s*it away.

I am all for each state offering health care to its residents. But it should be a power of the state, not of the nation. Especially since the health and wellness of each state vary.

But since our politicians in washington are sooo in tune with what everyday Americans want, fear and need you’re right they should be the ones to control the health care.

md

January 28th, 2010
1:12 pm

The current bill has no conditions attached for the subsidies it will create.

Our current “entitlement” programs are on a course of unsustanability.

The “baby boomers” will expand all programs exponentially.

Question for those in favor:

If there are no conditions other than income threshold, how long and at what cost would it be before those just north of the threshold figure out it is better to not make as much in order to actually make more.

Dangerous game we are playing. At what point do we allow the system to fail for everyone while trying to protect the few. I doubt those in favor now would be happy when all programs are discontinued when the country can longer pay the bills.

USA or USSR – don’t be foolish enough to think it can’t happen here. Income IS a finite resource, and the bills are pretty darn high.

MaJo

January 28th, 2010
1:14 pm

Jay, like most people on the extreme left or right, will rationalize their own bad behavior by pointing out the same bad behavior by the people at the other end of the spectrum. “If the other person is doing it, it’s okay for me too.” I’m sure you taught your children differently.

Jenifer

January 28th, 2010
1:14 pm

Inhofe Calls Obama A Great Liar, Says ‘Most’ Of State Of The Union Speech ‘Wasn’t True.’

When Inhofe isn’t playing the “lying for Jesus” game…he’s playing the “lying for Bush” game. To use his own line against him: “I thought this guy can say things that are untrue with greater conviction than anyone I’ve ever seen.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/28/inhofe-obama-lie/

RB from Gwinnett

January 28th, 2010
1:16 pm

Jay, you act like bringing light to R failures is some revelation. Here’s a clue for you since you haven’t been paying attention….

Conservativee have been irate about the way thinks like the prescription drug deal was done and thats why the R’s got clobbered in 2006 and Obama even had a chance at winning. Pay attention!

jewcowboy

January 28th, 2010
1:18 pm

CBS sure did open the door:

“CBS is reportedly considering running an ad from gay dating site Mancrunch, FOX News reports:

“The 30-second spot shows two men excitedly watching the game, before their hands brush as they both reach into a bowl of chips. Suddenly, the two begin making out, much to the shock of a guy sitting close by. According to a rep for the dating site, which operates under the slogan ‘Where Many Many Many Men Come Out to Play,’ the ad was submitted on Monday, January 18th. When the site followed up on the status of the ad on Friday, January 22nd, they were told by CBS that ‘the spot hadn’t been officially approved yet’ by network standards, and that ‘all the Super Bowl spots were sold out.’ …

“ManCrunch requested the spot get reviewed anyway just in case another advertiser drops out and a spot becomes available, as often happens, and CBS agreed,” added the site’s rep. ManCrunch officials said they believe CBS has no intention of airing a commercial for their gay dating service, ‘but do not want to officially ‘reject’ the spot out of fear there may be a backlash from gay advocacy groups.’ However, a representative from the network told Pop Tarts that advertising spots were still open, and was unsure where that comment originated. ‘The ad is still under review, the process takes a little while,’ a rep from CBS said. ‘We still have a lot of ads we have yet to review.’

Its important to note that the ad from Mancrunch is not an “advocacy” ad by any means, and accepting it would not indicate that they have made good on their word that ads from groups like the UCC would now be accepted.

Now, if CBS rejected it based on the fact that it contains a gay kiss, that would be an entirely different story, given the fact that a few years years ago they accepted a homophobic ad for Snickers which mocked a gay kiss.”

I wonder how Tebow/Dobson would react to this ad?

danjonglee

January 28th, 2010
1:18 pm

Universal coverage is vital for Democrat majorities for years to come….How hard is that to understand..?

@@

January 28th, 2010
1:20 pm

DANG, jay!!! Your condescending attitude to your guests, here, is most unbecoming.

I need to scrub my toilets, but just know…..I’ll be thinking of you.

Jefferson

January 28th, 2010
1:23 pm

All my English friends like their system.

Jenifer

January 28th, 2010
1:24 pm

“Problem is some folks refuse to get it.

The “I got mine” club.

Universal Single Payor and please hurry.
I have a grandchild on the way….it’s real personal now.
They lost their healthcare coverage which scares them, but
are grateful for the Presidents help with COBRA.”

GG,

I’m tickled for you about your grandchild.

Will COBRA take care of the costs?

Bosch

January 28th, 2010
1:24 pm

RIP J.D. Salinger

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:26 pm

Shawny

C’mon, that 1:07’s the crux of the issue!

Hi Jenifer

So, from the continued nonresponse, I take it you do not think the Fascist label applies to conservative, hardright Republicans?

Which is good, as the historical Fascist model has much more alignment with…. farfarfarleft Liberals!

Really! Interesting concept, eh? So next time you read on one of the farfarLeft sites about ‘Republican Nazis” and “jackbooted storm trooper neocons” you can correct them and say ‘no, actually that’s not historically accurate,’ yes?

Hi Mrs. Granny Godzilla

Which reminds me… what style of washer did you finally end up with?

Mick

January 28th, 2010
1:27 pm

Found it – here’s a shout out to al gore for helping to get this internet thing going.

Million
Billion
Trillion
Quadrillion (1000 Trillions)
Quintillion (1000 Quadrillions)

Amazing how 12.4 trillion now seems like a drop in the bucket! Have a good day all smart people..

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:27 pm

Jefferson

[[All my English friends like their system.]]

‘cept most single-payer advocates here wouldn’t care to copy how the Brits pay for it, I think –

Afternoon, Bosch!

Wow. You are correct, RIP. I wonder if his writings are still required reading in English lit classes?

thomas

January 28th, 2010
1:28 pm

Many english citizens have to purchase additional HC. And then travel out of country to have some modern surgeries and procedures.

Wonder Why?

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
1:29 pm

“Except haters, of course. I mean, they’ll TAKE the medical care and subsidized Viagra, but they won’t like it!”

First, Dont hate the players, hate the game.
Second, subsidized viagra…LOL.
Third…LMAO!

Del

January 28th, 2010
1:30 pm

Don’t know what kind of spin and or denial that’s going on here. Brown ran openly opposing the Obama, Pelosi, Reid government health care plan. Described himself as the 41’st vote against it in the Senate if elected. All the reports I’ve seen seemed to describe the Mass. plan as being unpopular among the Bay State folks. It would seem that those reports must have been accurate based on the outcome.

El Jefe

January 28th, 2010
1:30 pm

Southern Comfort,

Shall we examine how Tri-Care is funded?

Actually, Tri-care is a civilian managed health care system contracted by the DOD.

In 2004, TRICARE Management Activity re-aligned the previous twelve regions into three large regions, known as TRICARE North, TRICARE South, and TRICARE West. Services in these regions are provided by:
North – Health Net Federal Services
South – Humana Military Healthcare Services
West – TriWest Healthcare Alliance

All medical claims are processed by the following claims processing sub-contractors:
North and South – Palmetto Government Benefits Administration, or PGBA (a subsidiary of Blue Cross-Blue Shield of South Carolina)
West and overseas claims – Wisconsin Physicians Service

Yes, that was a cut and paste -

If the Congress approached health care like the military did, using prototyping and trials, that would be different.

It would behoove states to examine Tri-care and see if a similar program could be established within the states boundaries.

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:31 pm

thomas

Because the Brits recognize the realities of basic coverage for all while still allowing free market principles to operate for those who want to partake?

Jenifer

January 28th, 2010
1:31 pm

“I wonder how Tebow/Dobson would react to this ad?”

I wonder if they would pull their ad.

This is all just too funny, you could not make this sh*t up!

josef nix

January 28th, 2010
1:32 pm

Hi, day crew, got time off (well, work at home) for good behavior!

jewcowboy–oh, no! Yenta’s gone into advertizing and catering to our market niche…will wonders never cease?

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
1:32 pm

I prefer the HCare system I currently have…the devil I know.

Ridgerunner

January 28th, 2010
1:33 pm

It’s known as the “lemming syndrome” ……………

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:33 pm

Del

[[Brown ran openly opposing the Obama, Pelosi, Reid government health care plan. ]]

The reason, I believe, was because MA already had a single-payer-type system and the plan put forth in Congress would add millions of dollars of liability onto the people of MA with no increase in benefit.

So it wasn’t a fight against the concept of health care reform, as he stated time and again, it was a fight against one particular plan.

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
1:37 pm

Obama/Fed Govt is forcing everyone to purchase a product. Dont like the sound of that. I like my current coverage…I will stay with the Obama I know vs the Obama I dont.

stands for decibels

January 28th, 2010
1:38 pm

Many english citizens have to purchase additional HC. And then travel out of country to have some modern surgeries and procedures.

Thomas, feel free to define “many.” And explain what sort of average annual per capita costs you’re talking about.

josef nix

January 28th, 2010
1:38 pm

Health care, eh? Just got back from a routine doctor’s office visit which would have cost almost $600 if I didn’t have insurance, $35 co-pay…I want EVERYBODY to have what I’ve got…we’d be a much healthier, more productive society…

The comment that it would be better operated at the state level since the needs of various states vary–that would be fine and good if you could trust them to provide adequate and affordable health care. That’s not a moral judgment, but a fiscal one…

md

January 28th, 2010
1:39 pm

“The reason, I believe, was because MA already had a single-payer-type system and the plan put forth in Congress would add millions of dollars of liability onto the people of MA with no increase in benefit.

So it wasn’t a fight against the concept of health care reform, as he stated time and again, it was a fight against one particular plan.”

You mean liberals complaining about paying for others?????

jewcowboy

January 28th, 2010
1:39 pm

josef nix,

“will wonders never cease?”

Now if Marriage Equality USA gets an ad on there, I will really be surprised.

Elder Spokesman

January 28th, 2010
1:41 pm

Jay,

It could just be me, but for the past couple of days your responses to your GOP bloggers seem to convey anger. Can’t we have differing opinions w/o being letting anger show through? What is causing anger in you? Is it the fact that your leftist agenda is teetering on the brink of collapse?

You don’t seem willing to compromise. Could your responses be typical of why it is so difficult to find appreciation for someone else’s opinions? How are your negotiating skills? Do you not see merit in tort reform and allowing private insurance companies to offer their products across state lines? I don’t mind seeing a small portion of the uninsured’s insurance costs being funded by those Americans who can afford it. Can reasonable people negotiate?

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:42 pm

Hi josef nix

Been waiting for a segue (at the appropriate time) into the President’s DADT bombshell -

getalife

January 28th, 2010
1:42 pm

Obama is in full campaign mode.

That is his strength.

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
1:43 pm

“Holden Caulfield grimaced as his long time friend, J D Salinger, hurdled over the edge”

Police Line Do Not Cross

January 28th, 2010
1:43 pm

Del:

Did you ever get out to the “Rockpile” ?

Granny Godzilla

January 28th, 2010
1:44 pm

Jenifer

We think so. No matter what Zillette #1 and “lil vito” will be well cared for. We’re driving up to Chicago tonight for a few days tosee my pop. First thing he’ll say to her? …when are you gonna have a baby? and she can say September…..

Paul

I’ll be damned if I remember the brand. Mid priced, front load, no on board computer, rather noisey – but so far it’s working like a champion.
I’d ask other members of the family to tell you about it, but I’m not sure they know where it is.

Ridgerunner

January 28th, 2010
1:46 pm

Two general questions :

1) Why did Obama not recognize the two police officers in the gallery last night?

2) Does anyone know of an incident during the Vietnam War when the North Vietnamese came to the United States and committed a terrorist act ?

Granny Godzilla

January 28th, 2010
1:46 pm

Paul

I lied….top load…..no more front loaders for me.

Southern Comfort

January 28th, 2010
1:47 pm

El Jefe

The reason I ask that question here is, everyone I’ve asked who currently has that coverage wouldn’t give it up for the world. As you said, it might be beneficial for states or whomever to study how their system works. I haven’t found too many who have not been happy with the care.

Del

January 28th, 2010
1:47 pm

Paul,
On your 1:33pm, I agree with what you’re saying. Most regardless of political persuasion agree that we need health care reform. It’s how to go about it. The majority and I don’t think that there could be any realistic objective disagreement that the majority of Americans just don’t want the flavor of reform that has come out of congress. The message has gone out loud and clear. They really need to go back to the drawing board and come up with a bi-partisan solution.

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2010
1:48 pm

“Does anyone know of an incident during the Vietnam War when the North Vietnamese came to the United States and committed a terrorist act”

Ridgerunner…do YOU know of any incident where Iraqis came to the United States and committed a terrorist act?

Jenifer

January 28th, 2010
1:48 pm

Why We Need A Public Health-Care Plan

Without the government as competition, the private sector has little incentive to improve.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124580516633344953.html

Ridgerunner

January 28th, 2010
1:51 pm

To Doggone/GA:

I asked you first.

To All:

Headline: “Feinstein says Obama should move terror trials from NYC” Ooops ! Trouble in paradise again.

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2010
1:52 pm

“I asked you first”

Translation: No, I don’t know of any such incident.

Thanks for playing.

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
1:53 pm

Ridgerunner

January 28th, 2010
1:51 pm

Yapp…and after Obama gave Pelois a public smackdown there will be more to come.

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
1:54 pm

Why We do not Need A Public Health-Care Plan?

Because the majority of the US citizens say NO!

Yosarian

January 28th, 2010
1:54 pm

Elder Spokesman-1;41;
Yes, reasonable people can negotiate…
except for extremist progressive/liberals.

(it seems Jay is still mad that MA. voters broke the democrat taboo of turning to Fox news for an alternative to the state approved info sources).

Paul

January 28th, 2010
1:54 pm

Mrs. Granny Godzie

I was more interested in the type. Some new top loaders are good for using less water just like the front loaders . No computer? I use just a couple of settings even though ours has about a gazillion. Noisy? Hope there’s a door you can close!

Del 1:47

Yup, yup, and darn right!

SoCom

And I’ll bet if most of those military retiree Tricare beneficiaries had to pay the premiums themselves, not the taxpayers, they’d have heart attacks! Talk about Cadillac plans!

Not a criticism, mind you. Just a statement of reality. I’m fine with letting them have it.

jewcowboy

January 28th, 2010
1:55 pm

“1) Why did Obama not recognize the two police officers in the gallery last night?”

I’m pretty sure he did:

“Madame Speaker, Vice President Biden, Members of Congress, distinguished guests, and fellow Americans: ”

Unless they weren’t Americans..but then they were guests…unless the were not distinguished.

josef nix

January 28th, 2010
1:55 pm

PAUL, BOSCH…
“Catcher” is still required reading in many schools…poor children..as my own high school Engrish teacher said, though. “just skip over the cuss words. You should be able to finish it in about an hour…”

chuck

January 28th, 2010
1:55 pm

Paul, citation? The Enumerated Powers Clause

josef nix

January 28th, 2010
1:56 pm

PAUL–
Just got in and haven’t had time to read the speech…didn’t tune in…what was said?

Ridgerunner

January 28th, 2010
1:57 pm

Doggone/GA:

Thank you for “not” playing. In the future, please ignore all of my posts. If you will, I will ignore yours.

jewcowboy

January 28th, 2010
1:58 pm

josef nix,

Do you use the Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary in your school?

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dictionary27-2010jan27,0,5566022.story

Ridgerunner

January 28th, 2010
1:59 pm

jewcowboy :

I must admit, that is just about the best “dodge” response I have seen posted on here for awhile.

ROLLERGIRL

January 28th, 2010
1:59 pm

Chocolate the clowns’ health care deform was put to a much more important poll than anything the washington post could commission..its called an election..only opinions of people who actually vote, matter…and obamacare went down to defeat.

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2010
1:59 pm

“Thank you for “not” playing. In the future, please ignore all of my posts. If you will, I will ignore yours”

Awwww…did I spoil your fun?

chuck

January 28th, 2010
1:59 pm

from the other topic:
January 28th, 2010
12:43 pm
Jay, you never did answer my question about INDIVIDUAL campaign contributions. Dou you support limits on campaign contributions by individuals? If so, how can you justify that in light of your admitting that the 1st amendment applies to PEOPLE?

RW-(the original)

January 28th, 2010
2:00 pm

The Democrats took over Congress in 2007 claiming they would be the most transparent ever and the the Democrats took the White House in 2009 claiming the Obama administration would be the most transparent ever. I guess it’s easy to get away with that when you know full well that as soon as evidence to the contrary is put forth the Jay B’s of the world will go straight to the “so and so did it too” card.

/Drive by

Outhouse GoKart

January 28th, 2010
2:00 pm

josef nix

January 28th, 2010
1:56 pm

Same thing he always says…

Southern Comfort

January 28th, 2010
2:01 pm

Paul

That goes towards my point. We already pay for “socialized”, to borrow the term from others, health care. I don’t see a mad rush to condemn or get rid of that system either. I don’t have a problem paying for coverage for those who put their lives on the line day in and day out. I’m always scratching my head at the “government doesn’t run anything right” crowd. They may or may not know about that system, but I’m sure there are many, even conservatives, who are familiar with it.