Barack Obama and the ‘blame Bush’ argument
At one point in his speech last night, President Obama tried to remind his listeners that many of the problems facing the nation had been inherited from his predecessor:
“By the time I took office, we had a one year deficit of over $1 trillion and projected deficits of $8 trillion over the next decade. Most of this was the result of not paying for two wars, two tax cuts, and an expensive prescription drug program. On top of that, the effects of the recession put a $3 trillion hole in our budget. All this was before I walked in the door.”
At which point, Sen. John McCain was seen turning to his seatmate Lindsey Graham and whispering “Blame it on Bush.”
It’s a point others have made as well. In a recent news story, for example, Fox News suggested that “one year into his administration, President Obama might want to consider dropping the ‘blame Bush’ page from his playbook.”
Before Obama’s speech, Bill O’Reilly and Dennis Miller were also joking about it. “Now, how many times do you think he’s going to blame Bush tonight?” O’Reilly asked. “I’m taking a little lottery here. You know, how many times do you think we’re going to have, “Well, we inherited this from that idiot, you know? What are we going to do?”
“My feeling is, you know, when he comes up that aisle at the beginning, he’ll be wearing a sandwich board that says, ‘Bush’s Fault’,” Miller said. “He’s not even going to wait until he gets to the mic.”
A few years back, though, another new president made his own first State of the Union speech under economic conditions somewhat similar to that of today. Here’s part of what that president said:
“To understand the State of the Union, we must look not only at where we are and where we’re going but where we’ve been. The situation at this time last year was truly ominous…
Late in 1981, we sank into the present recession largely because continued high interest rates hurt the auto industry and construction. And there was a drop in productivity and the already high unemployment increased…..
If we had not acted as we did, things would be far worse for all Americans than they are today. Inflation inflation, taxes and interest rates would all be higher. A year ago, Americans’ faith in their governmental process was steadily declining. Six out of ten Americans were saying they were pessimistic about their future…,
… The budget in place when I took office had been projected as balanced. It turned out to have one of the biggest deficits in history.
A new kind of defeatism was heard. Some said our domestic problems were uncontrollable that we had to learn to live with the-seemingly endless cycle of high inflation and high unemployment.
…. Our current problems are not the product of the recovery program that’s only just now getting under way, as some would have you believe; they are the inheritance of decades of tax and tax, and spend and spend.”
That president, of course, was Ronald Reagan. (h/t Think Progress)
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@@
January 28th, 2010
6:45 pm
Be patient, jay I’m gathering what you asked for. My mouse is giving me fits too.
You might wanna talk to Mike Kruglik, a fellow community organizer. They worked together at The Industrial Areas Foundation (IAF), the organizing school Alinsky founded.
Upon reflecting back, Kruglik said of Obama…”He was at home talking Alinskian jargon about “agitation,” which he defined as “challenging people to scrape away habit,” and he fondly recalled organizing workshops where he learned the concept of “being predisposed to other people’s power.”
I’ll go see what I’ve got on Hillary. More on Obama if you like?
@@
January 28th, 2010
6:46 pm
Ooooo FIRST!
Jay
January 28th, 2010
6:47 pm
Don’t bother, @@, I found a WashPost story that documents Hillary’s awareness and strongly suggests Obama read it too.
TGT
January 28th, 2010
6:49 pm
Perhaps the worst (saddest) line of the speech: ” I know that there are those who disagree with the overwhelming scientific evidence on climate change.”
This on the heels of more embarrassment for the IPCC and the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia.
@@
January 28th, 2010
6:49 pm
Okey Dokey, jay! If you don’t mind, I’ll continue to post excerpts. They’re very revealing.
@@
January 28th, 2010
6:50 pm
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” — Prologue
“The Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. Its young protagonists are one moment reminiscent of the idealistic early Christians, yet they also urge violence and cry, ‘Burn the system down!’ They have no illusions about the system, but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world. It is to this point that I have written this book.”
Curious Observer
January 28th, 2010
6:50 pm
see nothing in your post that relates directly to a SC ruling. Do you?
So we are “denied the right”–Reagan’s words, not mine. And did Congress deny this “right?” Nope. Well, I wonder who it could be. If you can’t see a reference to the Supreme Court ruling on the issue, I can’t help you.
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
6:52 pm
@@-6;35
So Alinsky’s book (the DNC political manual) is dedicated to Lucifer- the father of all lies ?!
Balance Our Budget
January 28th, 2010
6:52 pm
I wonder if the liberals on this blog run their personal accounts like they want the government to run theirs?Spending like there is no tomorrow.Its pathetic the amount of debt we are running up.Everyone says it cant go on forever and they keep right on spending.
md
January 28th, 2010
6:53 pm
“Conservatives cannot accept responsibility, can they? Neither here, nor on Capitol Hill.
Yes, Bush is to blame for the budgets he signed into law. Every member of Congress who voted for those budgets – Republicans mostly”
Do your homework and then come back and try again. Concentrate on the Republican administration and the Democratic congress in your reading, and maybe you can be a little less partisan.
jt
January 28th, 2010
6:54 pm
They can only spend your children’s inheritance if you let them.
RW-(the original)
January 28th, 2010
6:54 pm
Good grief, Hillary wrote her senior thesis at Wellesley on Alinsky.
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January 28th, 2010
6:54 pm
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” — Purpose
In this book we are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people; to realize the democratic dream of equality, justice, peace…. “Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.’ This means revolution.”
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
6:56 pm
Hillbilly–
Got you post and was waiting to see if you were about. Like Jay, I read the reports from time to time for the sheer pleasure of, even when not the content of the passage, for the beauty and precision of the language…
On American Indian policies, it is a story which will never be properly told since to do so would cast a highly negative light on many of our “unified” national heroes of the late 19th Century. The transition from a policy of removal of the nation to new territory “for as long as the rivers run” to a policy of genocide “the only good Indian is a dead Indian” was the triumph of a line of thought from a sector of society which, sadly was predicated on greed and corruption.
Lafayette Baker, eh? Another one of that crowd we don’t talk much about, but I will never forget when as a child, I heard my grandfather burst into laughter, a rare ocurrence, while reading his paper. Turned out that it was a quote from Senator Proxmire calling J Edgar “a penny ante Lafayette Baker…”
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January 28th, 2010
6:56 pm
Yosarian:
YES IT IS!
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” — Purpose (cont’d.)
“Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing.”
Don’t be trapped by your own tactics….I like that part. Obama must have read the cliff notes.
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
6:58 pm
If Republicans would just man up and accept responsibility for their problems, there would be no need to constantly correct them.
@@
January 28th, 2010
6:58 pm
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” — Purpose (cont’d.)
“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”
A Marxist, eh?
md
January 28th, 2010
6:59 pm
Lets take them one at a time:
“And let me add here: so many of our greatest statesmen have reminded us that spiritual values alone are essential to our nation’s health and vigor. The Congress opens its proceedings each day, as does the Supreme Court, with an acknowledgment of the Supreme Being — yet we are denied the right to set aside in our schools a moment each day for those who wish to pray. I believe Congress should pass our school prayer amendment. (Applause.)”
This first one refers to the “school prayer amendment” that he wishes congress to pass. Obviously an amendment had already been introduced or on the table.
“Now, to make sure there is a full nine-member Supreme Court to interpret the law, to protect the rights of all Americans, I urge the Senate to move quickly and decisively in confirming Judge Anthony Kennedy to the highest Court in the land and to also confirm 27 nominees now waiting to fill vacancies in the federal judiciary. (Applause.)”
This paragraph is in reference to confirmation of Kennedy to the SC.
Again, I ask where is the reference to a SC ruling?????
@@
January 28th, 2010
7:01 pm
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” — Purpose (cont’d.)
“An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth — truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing…. To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations….”
There’s that “open society” thing that George Soros hopes to achieve. For those who don’t know, Soros, through MoveOn.org catapulted Obama to where he is today.
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January 28th, 2010
7:04 pm
Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” — Of Means and Ends
“The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Whenever we think about social change, the question of means and ends arises. The man of action views the issue of means and ends in pragmatic and strategic terms. He has no other problem; he thinks only of his actual resources and the possibilities of various choices of action. He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. … The real arena is corrupt and bloody.”
I have “The Communist Manifesto” too, if a little variety is what’s needed here. I can switch it around. Talk about Means to an End!!?!!
md
January 28th, 2010
7:05 pm
And the difference if you can’t see it co – Reagan was addressing Congress (those people that work in the chamber) and Barry addressed the SC. Big difference.
I doubt much would have been made had Barry just asked congress to give him a bill on corporate donations and skipped the dressing down of the supremes.
getalife
January 28th, 2010
7:07 pm
Soros can cut out the middleman now @@.
Scared?
@@
January 28th, 2010
7:09 pm
Oops! didn’t see you there md. I’ll give my excerpts a rest.
Needless to say, Alinskyites are a danger to the freedoms that we cherish as a nation.
@@
January 28th, 2010
7:10 pm
Scared, Getalife?
Nah….we’re gonna put the barricades up in November, and throw Obama in the Harbor come 2012.
(IWH)
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
7:10 pm
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They have no shame…thanks to the mass-media covering/hiding/spinning for all the democrat “means” !
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
7:10 pm
JAY–
Said list may have…I would imagine the reason we had such a list had to do with a basic conflict of interests at work in the place I worked. The editorial stance was highly conservative on most issues and plumb right wing on others, but had a staff the polar opposite, bordering on left wing revolutionaries. It made the job easier! We had one old die-hard from the 30s as state editor and his column was referred to as “the fifth column!” It was a great time and place for boy-young man to come of age…warped and twisted me for life!
md
January 28th, 2010
7:12 pm
A little overlooked aspect of the “blame game”:
“Obama said the United States killed more al-Qaida terrorists in 2009 than in 2008.”
Wouldn’t the “high road anti blame response” have just left off the “2008″. There was no need for that – unless he was trying to score political points.
Might be time he started listening to himself if he wants others to.
Curious Observer
January 28th, 2010
7:12 pm
Again, I ask where is the reference to a SC ruling?????
yet we are denied the right to set aside in our schools a moment each day for those who wish to pray.
OK. Let’s take this from the beginning. Reagan says we are “denied the right to set aside in our schools a moment each day for those who wish to pray.” So he’s calling school prayer a right. Now the issue is who denied that right? He knows, and his listeners know, that the Supreme Court ruled that school prayer conducted under official auspices is unconstitutional. Although there were two previous cases that resulted in a similar ruling, the cardinal one is Lemon v. Kurtzman [1971]. This ruling established the so-called “Lemon test” which states that in order to be constitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment any practice sponsored within state run schools (or other public, state sponsored activities) must:
1. Have a secular purpose;
2. Neither advance nor inhibit religion as its primary effect, and;
3. Not result in an excessive entanglement between government and religion.
Believe me, not a person in that room when Reagan made that speech was confused about the reference point. You probably weren’t around in those times, when preachers were railing against this Supreme Court holding, parents were upset, and there were references to the “godless courts.” I was.
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
7:12 pm
All the major corporations can cut out the middle men now. Perhaps all the lobbyists should be scared about losing their jobs.
And what is all this talk about Saul:
Saul Alinsky (January 30, 1909, Chicago, Illinois – June 12, 1972, Carmel, California) was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing and has been compared to Thomas Paine as “one of the great American leaders of the nonsocialist left.”
Rules for Radicals — A book for have-nots (the Republicans) and how to take it back (their just say no strategy).
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
7:18 pm
curious observer…
Remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” billboards?
Jay
January 28th, 2010
7:18 pm
Without some warping and twisting, Josef, we’d all be a sorry lot.
getalife
January 28th, 2010
7:19 pm
Well, you have Murdoch and our friends the Saudis to fund your candidates @@.
Hillbilly Deluxe
January 28th, 2010
7:20 pm
Turned out that it was a quote from Senator Proxmire calling J Edgar “a penny ante Lafayette Baker…”
Never thought of that but the shoe pretty well fits.
I’m usually in and out a lot here (as I figure most are). I’m either doing some kind of research for my own amusement or occasionally I play games on line. A week or so ago I happened to get into a game with an Australian. I’m not deadly serious about the games and if I get into a game with someone from far away, I use it as a learning experience. After asking the person a ton of questions about Australia, the conversation shifted to the U. S. and politics. (And this person knew a whole lot more about the U. S. than I do about Australia). They said something that really struck me as interesting though, “What you people need is a leader, not a puppet like George W Bush or a figurehead like Obama. You could change things if you would all band together.” That was just one part of about an hour long conversation but I really found it interesting that at least one person there had that view.
On Indian policy, I agree with you, they were “in the way of progress” to the people who controlled things. Imagine how different things might have been if the first Europeans had said, “Hey, we’d like to buy some land”.
md
January 28th, 2010
7:22 pm
co,
Presidents have always talked before congress about the need for this law or that law (many bounced back and forth between the SC), but their own decorum kept them from addressing the supremes directly. That was breached last night.
Do I really care – no, but it will set a messy precedent in the future if continued. Why would the supremes even show up if the other branches of gov’t are going to take pot shots.
There is a time and a place, he knows that.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
7:24 pm
Saul Alinksy is dead, decayed, worm food and dirt….In the words of Fat clemenza, “..won’t see him no more”!
I much prefer the work of Niccolò Machiavelli as a guide, a templet, to success.
Machiavelli says of leaders, there are 3 types of intelligence…
The kind that understands things for itself—(Ronald Reagan / Barry Goldwater)
The kind that understands what others can understand—(George W.Bush / Bill clinton)
The kind that does not understand for itself, nor through others, but THINKS it is the smartest in the room—(choco the clown)
Sluggo
January 28th, 2010
7:25 pm
You have to admit radical liberals comparing their guy to Regan is novel. Not very bright, but novel.
jt
January 28th, 2010
7:30 pm
Like Governor Andros before him, His excellency, the Honourable,Thomas Gage,Esquire,Governor and Commander in Chief in and over his Majesty’s Province of Massachustts-Bay, and Vice-Admiral of the same quickly learned that a gaudy title did not necessarily translate into good treatment from the American natives. On June 12, 1775, Governor Gage made a last ditch effort at reconciliation, offering and promising His Majesty’s ” most gracious pardens to all persons who shall forthwith lay down their arms, and return to the duties of peaceful subjects, excepting only from the benefit of such pardon, Samual Adams and John Hancock, whose offenses are too flatigious a nature to admit of any other consideration other than that of condign punishment.”
Sam Adams reacted to the news of Gage’s potential death sentence not with dread or panic but with humor AND his typical resolve. “Gage has made me respectable by naming me FIRST among those who are to receive no favor from him”.
Obama needs to realize this. The majority of Americans will NEVER depend on him. He depends on us. Alinsky was a fool and based all of his rhetoric on Euroweenies.
Scout
January 28th, 2010
7:31 pm
Bosch:
Citizenship: Not debatable
Eligibility: Not debatable
Birthplace: Debatable
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
7:32 pm
Hillbilly;
The Delaware tribe has a legend that it was G_D’s’s plan for the Indians to domesticate mammoths & mastadons and ride them like horses. The legend goe’s on to explain how those mega beasts rebelled against G_D’s plan and the result of their rebellion against His will.
I often wondered how things might have been if the Pilgrims or
John Smith had sailed witin sight of the coast of America and seen an aray of warriors all lined up and waiting on their mastadon mounts !
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
7:34 pm
Hillbilly–
Did you ever read Bennet Cerf’s “It All Started with Columbus?” He made comment that the Dutch had purchased Manhatten “for a handful of beads” and footnoted, “beads were then selling for $24 a handful.” Unmentionable says, “and property values have sho nuff declined…”
I ran across one the other day I kind of liked. When Sheridan was “negotiating” a treaty, the Chief wanted some canons. “For you to use against my soldiers?” Sheridan sniped. “No,” said the Chief, “to use against the cowboys. We can use clubs on your soldiers.”
In my line of work I get to hear from a wide range of foreigners about “you Americans.” Almost to a one they have trouble understanding our holding our political leadership to a higher moral standard than we do other public figures when, as they say, that’s the last group you should expect such of!
@@
January 28th, 2010
7:36 pm
Oooo, A LIST!!!! Tactics
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat…. [and] the collapse of communication.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time….”
8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.”
11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside… every positive has its negative.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and ‘frozen.’…
“…any target can always say, ‘Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?’ When your ‘freeze the target,’ you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments…. Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the ‘others’ come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target…’
“One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other.”
Yup, I think Obama must’ve read the cliff notes. Come to think of it, he never has released his college transcripts.
jay, that next to last paragraph reminds me of you and your mini minions here.
Scout
January 28th, 2010
7:38 pm
“Catcher in the Rye”
Drivel then ……… drivel now.
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
7:39 pm
There are not enough hours in Obama’s two terms to allow him the opportunity to say it’s Bush’s fault enough times to cover everything that Bush did wrong. It’s just physically impossible even if Obama ran his teleprompter an order of magnitude faster he could not fit it in enough times. That’s just the way it is. So, the Republicans just need to get used to hearing phrases like, “Bush screwed that up too but we fixed it.”
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
7:39 pm
Gregg Throws A Hissy Fit When Asked To Provide Specifics About Programs He Would Cut
No answers, so continue to cry like a baby about the question.
Expect Gregg to show up soon on Faux so he can feel better.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/28/gregg-msnbc-hissy-fit/
md
January 28th, 2010
7:40 pm
“Bush screwed that up too but we fixed it.”
I’m guessing the “but we fixed it” part won’t be necessary.
N-GA
January 28th, 2010
7:43 pm
GOP-2010: THE NEW 5th COLUMN
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
7:43 pm
jay, that next to last paragraph reminds me of you and your mini minions here.
Us mini minions prefer “Lillputians”, if you don’t mind.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2010
7:45 pm
the Dems controlled CONGRESS for the past 4 years,
what number comes after “2,”, again?
Jay, better trolls, please.
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
7:48 pm
Senate Republicans Called For Commitment To PAYGO Before Voting Against It
The upside of this vote is that the Democrats can use it as a whip against the republicants during the elections. Even better would be for challengers to those republicants who supported Paygo and now refuse to vote for it, use the inconsistent statements to paint the republicants as flip-flopping on the issue.
The Democrats should skewer these republicants who are playing politics.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/28/senate-gop-paygo/
Hillbilly Deluxe
January 28th, 2010
7:48 pm
Yosarian
Mastadon Cavalry might not be too manueverable but I’d to be in their path!
Josef
Seems like I read that by Cerf. If I did it was a very long time ago. Wasn’t the Indian who sold Manhattan actually from a tribe that wasn’t in control of Manhattan? Seems like I’ve read somewhere that he was poaching on another tribe’s land.
Another interesting fact that I stumbled across the other day is that the last farm on Manhattan was sold in the 1930’s. I was surprised it was that recent. (Y’all may have notice my mind wanders from subject to subject.
)
jokerman
January 28th, 2010
7:48 pm
@@ Thank G*d for a mouse with a scroll knob!!!!
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
7:49 pm
scout…I agree
my 11th grade AP English Lit teacher had a sick fascination with “catcher in the Rye”, but I found it shallow and pedantic…MUCH LIKE OBAMA
Scout
January 28th, 2010
7:50 pm
ROLLERGIRL: ………. but he’s the “community organizer in the rye” !!
@@
January 28th, 2010
7:50 pm
Us mini minions prefer “Lillputians”, if you don’t mind.
Okey dokey! “Lillputians As Gullibles Travel”.
Works for me!
Hillbilly Deluxe
January 28th, 2010
7:50 pm
*I’d hate to be in the path of the Mastadon Cavalry. Amazing how one little word can change the meaning totally.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
7:51 pm
Scout–
Yep. One of those no longer on the required lists that really bothers me is Saroyan’s “The Human Comedy…” One of the best coming of age stories I think I’ve ever read.
I was going over the reading list for one of my private students, 9th grader, and was struck by the near absence of such works…back in my day, the curriculum was centered on these…
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
7:53 pm
The Republican standard response has become “I was for it before I found out that Obama was for it.” They are quite the bore. Yet, Obama still thinks that there is hope for them. There is hope for the one that calls himself “Republican” — Scott Brown. He has already said that he will not be a 100 percent just say no person. Of course, he just got elected and he did it without the help of all those that just say no. He did not pass their purity test so he did not earn the support of the Puritan sect of the GOP. He’s tainted.
Hillbilly Deluxe
January 28th, 2010
7:53 pm
I’ve never read “Catcher in the Rye” but I have read “Catcher in the Wry” by Bob Uecker.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
7:54 pm
scout–
Obama is the “acorn in the weeds”..I doubt they had kudzu in indonesia or kenya
Scout
January 28th, 2010
7:54 pm
josef:
Not to worry ……….. most can’t read now anyway let alone comprehend any type of hidden
meaning.
@@
January 28th, 2010
7:54 pm
jokerman:
It’s doesn’t surprise me that you choose not to look into the abyss that is Obama.
Scroll on by. I’m not offended in the least.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2010
7:54 pm
Another interesting fact that I stumbled across the other day is that the last farm on Manhattan was sold in the 1930’s.
I’m a little surprised it was quite that late, but given how so much building in the northern reaches took place in the teens and thirties, I guess I shouldn’t be.
Pretty sure there is still farmland on Staten Island.
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
7:55 pm
Come visit us some time. We love wandering Gullibles.
Yours,
the mini minions aka the Lillputians
Scout
January 28th, 2010
7:55 pm
Well, with “please ask and more tail” just around the corner I guess the Pentagon will be ordering more “dresses” for the 82nd Airborne, et al.
That’s the next step ……… the right to wear the uniform that makes them feel “complete”.
Pink berets anyone?
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:00 pm
yosarian, hillbilly..
.
Mastadon cavalry put Hannibal in the history books!
Talking about words and how they change perception. Unmentionable gets bent out of shape over the use of the terms “chief” and “council,” and uses the terms “monarch, regent, prime minister” and “parliament, congress, senate” and watches the bufuddlement.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
8:00 pm
Adolph Hitler responds to the Ipad….
Coke Zero spewed forth…, this is the funniest thing I have EVER seen….
Mein Fuhrer, It can run iphone apps…Iphone apps? I wanted osx!!!!!!! what the F***!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4&feature=player_embedded#
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2010
8:01 pm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60S02M20100129
Obama’s latest speech, seeking to reconnect with Americans angry about a weak economy and high unemployment, surpassed the numbers that either of his immediate predecessors — George W. Bush or Bill Clinton — averaged with their State of the Union addresses.
Both Clinton and Bush averaged fewer than 46 million viewers in their respective eight annual messages to Congress.
Guess that’s why some people are in such a foul mood today.
TaxPayer
January 28th, 2010
8:02 pm
Pink berets and matching rifle sight. What a navel idea.
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
8:03 pm
“He did not pass their purity test so he did not earn the support of the Puritan sect of the GOP. He’s tainted.”
That’s for sure! No doubt Scott Brown had already lost his virginity even before the Cosmo centerfold.
I believe it’s only those who reside or have resided in the C Street house who can be in the Puritan sect of the GOP.
Curious Observer
January 28th, 2010
8:05 pm
Remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” billboards?
Indeed I do. The Warren Court was lambasted as too liberal.
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2010
8:06 pm
So Rollergirl, you still want the world to know that you “still hate the b@stard?”
You can ask to have that post deleted. Just sayin’.
Scout
January 28th, 2010
8:07 pm
I can hear some of the new cadences now:
“Road guard road guard don’t be blue,
Elvis was transexual too,
Give it to me left and right and left,
Give it to me left and right and left.”
stands for decibels
January 28th, 2010
8:08 pm
Watching the likes of “Scout” melt down when DADT finally gets taken out back and shot will be richly rewarding, methinks.
Later, kids.
AmVet
January 28th, 2010
8:09 pm
Webelo, you’re a homophobe, we get it…
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:09 pm
Rollergirl–
Thanks! That’s good!
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:11 pm
Well, in response to a question earlier…looks like it’s coming left and right!
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:13 pm
Uh, Scout, jokes and fun aside, what is your opinion of DADT?
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
8:13 pm
SFD, I stand by everything I ever say…nothing wrong with hating a politician, the left still hates Bush, as evidenced by the SOTU ..Obama has set the rules of this game..us vs them…rich vs poor, labor vs management, white vs black. He uses rhetoric to turn anger and hatred against ceo’s, big pharma, big oil, wallstreet…I turn the tables and use it against him.
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
8:14 pm
Hillbilly;
I knew what you meant. The rest of the story goe’s like this;
When the Mastadon’s revolted against G_D’s plan for them to be ‘cavalry’ mounts for the 1st nations, G_d decreed that all animals & Indians should fight against the mastadon nation until they were all dead. There was a long and bloody campaign to punish the rebels.
Slowly the Mammoths & mastadons were reduced to a few isolated, small herds that took shelter in the valleys, then all the animals & Indians surrounded them to wipe them out. The slaughter was so great that the blood flooded the low places and made bogs that produced red berries (cranberries)the following season.
I’ve known this story along time…it led me to believe that neolithic peoples played a part in the megafauna extinction. Of course, my conclusion was dismissed by experts for many decades but the idea became more widely accepted by archeologists in more recent times.
(It’s believed that a few small herds of mastadons survived until around the time the pyramids were built.
Curious Observer
January 28th, 2010
8:14 pm
co,
Presidents have always talked before congress about the need for this law or that law (many bounced back and forth between the SC), but their own decorum kept them from addressing the supremes directly. That was breached last night.
I can see that I’ve wasted my time by trying to explain issues to a juvenile. Good day forever to you, sir or madam.
ROLLERGIRL
January 28th, 2010
8:15 pm
josef nix, thanks!! Whoever did that is a genius haha…
The intro about the logistics of finding one at best buy and Hitler says ” thats ok I will just buy it online” was awesome haha
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
8:20 pm
Hi Josef;
Had you heard the story of Cranberrie’s origin ?
Kamchak
January 28th, 2010
8:22 pm
Obama has set the rules of this game..us vs them…rich vs poor, labor vs management, white vs black.
Uh…no. Those rules were set thirty-five years ago when political talk-radio began.
@@
January 28th, 2010
8:25 pm
I was wondering why Obama had little to say about Iran other than to say there were “growing consequences”. The majority of his speech focused on difficult times on the homefront. I thought….DANG, don’t let our enemies know we’re distracted. Anyhoo, not to worry, a woman picked up “his slack”.
Berlin–Standing next to Israeli President Shimon Peres on Tuesday, Merkel said, “Iran’s time is up. It is now time to discuss widespread international sanctions. We have shown much patience and that patience is up.”
First Mary Landreau, sarcastically thanking him for no leadership and now Angela Merkel.
Ouch!!! right in his manhood.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:26 pm
yosarian–
I passed this story on to Unmentionable. He got a big chuckle and said thanks. One of his pet peeves is the insistence by the bleeding hearts that the Indians lived in some pristine spiritual nirvana “in touch with the universe.” He calls them “the woo-woo people.” “Anybody who thinks that knows nothing of the Maya, Tenochitlan or Machu Picchu…if the Cherokee had had the population and technology, the Appalachians would have probably been clear cut and gullied long before the arrival of the evil white man…”
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
8:26 pm
Judge Orders 25-Year Old O’Keefe To Live With His Parents
I think the four ought to be collectively referred to by the acronym of ACORN standing for A Crew of republicant Nitwits although the same could be said for the 31 members of the U.S. House who authored a resolution praising O’Keefe.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/judge_orders_alleged_phone_tamperer_okeefe_to_live.php
Hillbilly Deluxe
January 28th, 2010
8:28 pm
Yosarian
I’d never heard that before. Interesting story and, of course, in many cases experts turn out to be wrong.
Mastadon cavalry put Hannibal in the history books!
Yeah but those were compact mastadons. Must have been imports.
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
Josef;
Thanks! I was under the impression that I was all alone in my thinkin on that…nice to be in company with unmentionable & you!
Scout
January 28th, 2010
8:30 pm
josef:
Serious question. Leave it alone!
I served with a lot of guys and I am sure some were gay. I even had my “suspects”. I had I lot of friends who “screwed around” on their wives stateside and overseas. That was wrong also.
The point is, and I hope you understand this, is how repugnant the acitivity is to male heterosexuals. In a close environment like the military, that can be a real problem.
Now someone will come back and say I’m just a closet homosexual but I’m just telling you the truth. I think you believe that as we have discussed issues before.
I think this will really hurt the military or you know it would have been changed long ago. I think recruiting will really suffer, etc. Just one person’s opinion.
I hope I’ve answered your question.
@@
January 28th, 2010
8:32 pm
Jenifer:
You seem to have a fascination for O’Keefe. If he serves time, maybe you two can exchange letters, get married, enjoy conjugal visits. Be sure to use a condom.
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:32 pm
yosarian–
no, had not. One I like is that in colonial Louisiana the Europeans called it Indian Hair and the Indians called it Spanish moss…conclusion? The stringy stuff must have arrived around the same time as the Europeans, but neither group knew where it came from…
Scout
January 28th, 2010
8:35 pm
To josef:
Regarding your 8:26. You are correct as there was no such thing as the “noble savage.” They were just as murderous, enslaved each other, etc. as those who came here ……….. and many were cannibals.
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
8:38 pm
Neo-Nazis, Militants Eye Tea Party For Recruitment
Is the MSM carrying this story? It is worrisome to say the least.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-brantzawadzki/tea-party-militants-nazis_b_437605.html
Yosarian
January 28th, 2010
8:39 pm
Josef, Hillbilly;
One of my favorite books is; “The Conquest of Mexico” by Bernal del Castillo. It’s said that the battle for the Aztec capital was the largest battle in modern history. (So much for Kursk or the Bulge).
Greatist Western Story ever told…in my opinion
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:42 pm
yosarian–
Unmentionable maintains that the “woo woo” view has done more damage to the Indian than all the other factors combined, “locking us on some reservation like so many fossils in a museum of natural history. A medical degree from Harvard or a patent on spaceship polymers totally outside our world view…”
Jenifer
January 28th, 2010
8:42 pm
“Be sure to use a condom.”
Surely you can’t be advocating birth control. Such hypocrisy.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
January 28th, 2010
8:46 pm
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America!
Just sayin….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
January 28th, 2010
8:48 pm
ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (Reuters) – U.S. health officials have leveraged the star power of first lady Michelle Obama to roll out a new campaign against obesity, a preventable condition that drains billions of dollars from the economy.
“Roll” is right, Idi Amin never met a lobster souffle she didn’t devour, just sayin….
@@
January 28th, 2010
8:48 pm
Surely you can’t be advocating birth control. Such hypocrisy.
In your case, I make an exception. You shouldn’t be reproducing.
Nahhhh, J/K….I have no problem with birth control. Just don’t think abortion should be used as a method of…
josef nix
January 28th, 2010
8:49 pm
scout–
Unmentionable says to tell you, “yeah, but those cannibles were the Mesoamericans–you know, the “civilized” ones. We five civilized tribes only adopted cannibalism after we entered the free market economy!”
One of his fun ones with the feminist element when they go to lauding the role of women in the “councils” of the Southeastern nations being the ones “who cast the deciding vote on matters of war,” is “yeah, and if the men objected, they beat the h*ll out of them and sent them to take care of bidness, and castrating the ones who still put up a fuss…”