Tebow anti-abortion ad in the Super Bowl just free speech

Also, this is a bunch of BS:
http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/ajc-exclusive-7-lawmakers-284543.html

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didn’t Tebow seriously muff a game in front of recruiters the other day???

as far as the ad goes, is anyone surprised that they are kow-towing to Dobson and his bunch???

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Peadawg

January 27th, 2010
8:16 am

Dems seem always confused about one thing or the other.

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this is a suck-up to all the people who were scarred for life over the “wardrobe malfunction”, all the people who complain about the preponderance of beer ads, all the people who complain about the scantily clad wimmen in the preponderance of beer ads … etc …

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I agree Jay. The way he has to “wind up” his arm…Dwight Freeney or Demarcus Ware will be all over that like a fat kid on a twinkie.

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Nothing against tebow and his message, but why open this door? Well, tivo makes life so much simpler anyway….

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Oh how the left wing socialist morons would love to stifle free speech in America, particularly when it is not their own. If one can only promote their point of view, then the ignorant public will come to take it as the truth.

(Gag)

Also concerning free speech:

a. If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how he inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

b. If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

c. If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

d. If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

e. If George W. Bush had stated that there were 57 states in the United States , would you have said that he is clueless?

f. If George W. Bush would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five minute speech about how the Olympics would benefit him walking out his front door in Texas , would you have thought he was a self important, conceded, egotistical idiot?

g. If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to “Cinco de Cuatro” in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

h. If George W. Bush had mis-spelled the word “advice” would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoe as proof of what a dunce he is?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry. He’s done all this in less than 12 months — so you’ll have three years to come up with an answer…

There is a difference between free and stupid speech. The uppity Kenyan has demonstrated stupidity at its very finest.

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Nothing against tebow and his message, but why open this door?

Because corporate media hates you. Duh.

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It should kept fair and balanced, let Dr. Tiller state the opposing view……OOOPS! Can’t do that, they murdered him in church.

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I’ll admire Tebow when he poses for Playgirl and admits that he smokes pot. There’s no reason to admire the ideals of someone who hasn’t lived yet. When the reality of the real world sets in, who knows what his ideals will be. Til then, he’s outta line.

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Abortion is murder, it offends me. What about my feelings on the subjeck? All you marxists, Communists, Socialists and Obamaists need to realise that we are going to take our nation back.
I’ll bet CBS caves in, anyone want to take that bet?

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Such a non-story! If you don’t like it, don’t watch it! Besides, if it airs after halftime, most won’t see it since the SB is usually over by halftime!

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The Defence of Kentucky (my school) showed him a little of what it would be like in the NFL as QB… Man, what a hit! Drove him into his team mates knee and, presto change-o, a first rate concussion.

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and the great majority of America doesn’t believe in prohibiting abortion – according to a Gallup survey, 76% of people want to keep it legal in some form.

yebbut yebbut yebbut I gots this one pole that sez more people think “pro-life” sounds nicer than “pro-choice” so U R Rong!

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Come on, why the uproar? afterall, isn’t the ad celebrating the “choice” Mrs. Tebow made?

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I don’t have an opinion about the ad one way or the other but I do have an opinion about Tebow. He is a great college QB but he isn’t NFL material.

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Curious –

“On the other hand, what’s the difference in an anti-abortion ad and an ad for a candidate touting his anti-abortion stance?”

one is an advocacy ad, the other is not.

Suwanee –

“The left believes in freedom of speech until the speech is against one of their core belief’s. To sum it up, they are speech nazi’s.”

first of all, no apostrophe is needed for nazi – you were using the plural, not the possessive.

secondly, this isn’t a freedom of speech issue – this is an issue of the SuperBowl network negating their own “no advocacy” policy.

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Well, this ad is valued at 3 million dollars and, just like a politician caught up in a bidding war from competing corporations for his services, they have to think about the bottom line.

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Eric @ 8:34,

If Tebow made it thru college without falling for those, I’d say he’s the real deal.

Like it or not, it is absolutely CBS’s decision. If they suddenly want to go pro-Christian and far right, who should be allowed to stop them? If you don’t like it, don’t watch. The ratings go down, and they may change their minds…

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dB –

“yebbut yebbut yebbut”

uyrtrtuyrtyuuyrtrutyrtuyrtuyrtyu <— (the sound of me hitting my forehead on my keyboard repeatedly)

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“I am thrilled that he has the GUTS to play the media game.”

yeah … boy-howdy, those white christian boys are so put-upon! talk about suffering!!!

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Face it, women’s groups are upset because the ad is effective.

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Enter your comments here CBS, please run the ad. There is nothing hateful about this ad. Do not bow to pressure from people who want the ad pulled. They do not want any light shining on the fact that humans can choose to bear their offspring rather than kill them.

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Outhouse –

“Seems one is either pro-abortion or anti-abortion. So….”

actually, there are a lot of people who would not choose abortion if they were in that predicament, but feel that other people should have the right to make the choice for themselves.

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JUST THINK………..If people in HAITI were mostly liberals…& pro-abortion…..there would not be all the unwanted orphans…….You would not have all these orphans ……if the liberals had their way…NO…..NO…..No

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suwanee –

“if CBS wants to change their policy that is their business decision.”

no argument there. but, then, they should be ready to face the fire when they do.

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Is Cindy Sheehan still travelin and doin speeches..?….

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never really understood why some on the “pro choice”/”pro abortion” side claim that being anti abortion is being anti women’s rights. Is the “pro life”/”anti abortion” side only trying to stop male fetuses from being aborted?

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Jay,

He will go to a team and play h-back so he can be moved around and even throw the ball some. The unfortunate part is that Jax might draft him to play QB to save their franchise… Not fair to Tebow.

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LOL…this funny…

Health care reform better off with women in charge?
http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/26/health-care-reform-better-off-with-women-in-charge/

“Shea-Porter added that she wasn’t trying to “diss” the men in Congress, but that females understand how to care for relatives and that they could find “common ground there.”

Diss? Shameful.

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dB – 8:49 – you are sooooooooo batting 1000 today!!

(raucous bowling applause)

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Others don’t like abortion at all, however they feel that criminalizing it would create a black market thhat would make their communities less safe. They don’t want anyone to have an abortion, but accept that people will have abortions whether legal or illegal and feel its safer for everyone to keep it legal.

# 1 cause of death for pregnant women = homicide

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“If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.” Obi-Wan Tebow

Seriously, if the leftist groups really wanted this to go away, they’d just leave it be and not make a big deal about it. The more they whine about it, the more attention it gets. Cutting it now would be a bigger PR nightmare for CBS than what they are currently facing. But go ahead leftists, because though I don’t feel the government has a say one way or another on abortion, it is still murder. I support anything that helps women make the right choice…

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Jay, you are kidding right? If you blocked the personal attacks on your site you would have half the responses you get. That being said, I will do my best to keep it pc with the bigot’s.

Testy, aren’t we.

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[[The question of fairness is legitimate,]]

Life isn’t fair.

[[The previous policy — designed not to offend anybody — never really made sense anyway,]]

There are groups of people who will always find a way to be offended by something, anything…

[[And if Tebow wants to use his hard-earned fame to promote causes that he believes in, fine as well. I just hope he picks his spots carefully and stays wary about how others want to use him.]]

Great advice. Too bad a certain Texas governor headed to Washington didn’t heed it. Or a senator from Illinois headed to Washington, for that matter.

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No way would they allow a pro-choice ad. No way!

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Dear Tim Tebow,

I think that’s great and all that your mother didn’t abort you. I’m glad she had access to health care when she got sick when she was pregnant with you and had a supporting family and friends and that you got to be born and play football, win the Heisman Trophy and all that. Really, I do. I think that is just simply super fantastic.

But really, during the Super Bowl, I don’t want to hear about all that, actualy, I don’t really care to hear about all that at anytime during my lifetime. If I did, I would ask. If maybe you were playing in the Super Bowl and they decided to do one of those boring human interest things they do, that might be a different story. However, during the Super Bowl, I want to watch the game and I would expect you to understand.

Thanks,

Bosch

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that website that advocates adultery?

oh, do tell.

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Ty Webb is ABSOLUTELY right. This commercial is more pro-choice than pro-life. It’s about the mother DECIDING to have the baby rather than an abortion. Why does “pro-choice” automatically mean “Thou MUST have an abortion”? If anything, the pro-lifers should have a problem with this ad b/c it talks about a woman’s CHOICE!

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They are ruining the game with flags for good hits and now this.

Pathetic.

Geaux Saints!

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like emergency contraception being handed out to ALL rape victims, regardless of which hospital’s emergency room they go to?

According to Joe Lieberman, there are plenty of hospitles. them hussies can go to, just a short ride away.

anyway, stuff awaits. Later, all.

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Hmmm…if one is pro-abortion then obviouly they would be for abortion rights. Minutia.

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stands for decibels,
no more than the ad for the next big horror movie is encouraging people to put on hockey masks and go on murderous rampages.

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Jay, your stance on this confirms that you are a believer and defender of the First Amendment. Living in a free society means we all must occasionally listen to things we don’t agree with. I seldom agree with what you say, but I would hope that even your fiercest critics would never try to silence you. Besides, if people don’t want to listen to the Tebow piece, there’s always the mute button.

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And wow – how ’bout that – I answered Hoof’s question before he posted it.

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I don’t know what is actually in the ad. I have not heard that any group complaining about the ad knows what is in the ad.
Knowing the story of his mother during her pregnancy with Tim, she could just say that: “I considered having an abortion but decided against it. That baby turned out to be Tim Tebow. If you are considering an abortion, before you go through with it think about the great possibilities for your baby.”
If that is the message, I don’t see how it can be labeled as “hate” or “anti-abortion, anti-women”

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One more thing regarding the PETA ad that was pulled: all indications were that PETA deliberately made their ad inappropriate for air because they got far more attention from having the ad blocked than they would have from simply airing an ad.

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getalife

January 27th, 2010
9:04 am

If ya cant beat em, re-install them. In typical Obama fashion!

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um..USinUK check this out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/scott-moore-pregnant-man_n_437503.html

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ty –

“real debate? I redirect you to your 8:53 post”

which was in direct proportion to the seriousness of your “aborting only male fetuses” post.

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As to why CBS is allowing the ad when previously they have not allowed advocacy ads, I don’t know. However, I think it points further to the idea that the script for the ad is a subdued PSA type document. CBS did make the comment that if other groups wanted to air “responsibly scripted” ads they would not object.

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Justme, a pro-choice ad as you put it is really a pro-murder ad so why would any station want to advocate murder?? Quit kidding yourself.

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Mick,

I agree with you. However, did you see the Daily Show the other night? The Pres was speaking at a middle school, in a classroom, and he had his teleprompter set up. Stewart ripped him pretty good. Bush may have done the same thing; I don’t know. However, Obama should probably use it a little less.

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I’ve seen Obama try to speak without a teleprompter (remember during the campaign when his teleprompter malfunctioned? He couldn’t go on until it was fixed!), and it ain’t a pretty sight. all “um”s and “uh”s, etc. and not one coherent sentence attached to the other.

Heck, even Joe Biden makes fun of Obama’s reliance on the teleprompter, as when the wind blew one over at the Air Force Academy and Biden quipped “Oh, no, it’s broken! What are we going to tell the President?”

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It is my undersstanding that the focus of the ad centers around the fact that Ms. Tebow was advised to have an abortion while pregnant because of an illness she had while carring Tim. She rejected this and went on to have a healthy boy who accomplished something that few people do. It appears that the message is that you never know what you are going to get and it would be a shame to have not had this person in the world. With 1.37M abortions peformed yearly in this country, it is nice to know that we have salvaged one or two, especially one like this guy.

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“With 1.37M abortions peformed yearly in this country, it is nice to know that we have salvaged one or two, especially one like this guy”

yep. to hell with the health of the “donor womb” …

oy.

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One other thing, since it’s worth addressing:

no more than the ad for the next big horror movie is encouraging people to put on hockey masks and go on murderous rampages.

While that’s a valid enough point, it might not be a great example to warm the c0ckles of my own heart—I hate violent movie trailers, believe that such stuff probably desensitizes people to actual violence, frankly don’t want my kid exposed to them, and would be fine with some voluntary commercial TV standards being adopted that would tone them down a great deal.

And I’ll admit not having seen the ad, but, rather, I’ve just read a description of Tebow’s mom’s story; it’s possible I’ve got the advocacy message wrong. But it sure sounds as if it’s not just glorifying risking your life to save a fetus, but condemning anyone who hasn’t.

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Did anyone think that perhaps the reason CBS has chosen to air the ad is that Tim Tebow is a very popular player of a team who won 2 national titles under his leadership. The spot costs a LOT of money and CBS knows that people wanna see Tebow. Business decision through and through.

Would any of you out there really force them to cancel the ad? And what power bestowed upon our illustrious government gives them the power to do so?

If it is against CBS policy, only their shareholders can dictate that. And perhaps the NFL if they decided to axe the contract.

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From what I hear about the Tebow ad – that’s right, I have not seen it either – there is no political message. The content is approximately as political as the syrupy Clydesdale advertisements. Even if a religious person says something, it does not logically follow that everything the religious person says is political. Our friends from the cult of death simply need to switch to decaf.

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“I don’t understand this fixation with the teleprompter”

Simple. Always remember the First Rule of the Conned: NEVER let a good lie die

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I wish the people who are anti-choice would be as concerned about the welfare of the ones who are born as they are for the ones in the womb.

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With 1.37M abortions peformed yearly in this country, it is nice to know that we have salvaged one or two, especially one like this guy.

When I see kayaker and others advocating for increased aid to children of the poor, instead of giving us that “eliminate welfare” line, then I’ll believe in the sincerity of his message. Until then, I view most of the ad’s defenders as merely desirous of imposing their religious beliefs on everyone else.

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Mick and Paul,

Yeah, I never should have mentioned it here. The nuts will lose it over that one.

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Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2010
9:21 am

Uh oh, the daily “lie” posts have begun.

If you don’t think he has a fixation with a teleprompter, then please explain why he needs it to talk with 6th graders. 6TH GRADERS, for crying out loud!!

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Where were all the Free Speech advocates when all TV ads criticizing BushCo and his war were rejected! NOTHING was ever permitted when The Moron was president. Remember when every child in America was traumatized by the sight of a partial breast during the High Holiday, Super Bowl Sunday.
T-Bone is a bible thumping, self promoting phony who has bigger plans for the future. Look for the cry-baby celebrity to run for office in FL (republican, of course) or become the star of his own TV ministry or hate radio show – depending on which opportunity provides him the biggest incentive.

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Jenifer…what in blazes were you thinking to post such a thoughtful piece, particularly with such big words? Surely you don’t think the neanderthals around here would bother to try and read it, even if they could? And while I’m at it, geedubyabush didn’t use the teleprompter much cause he was better at making words up than reading ‘em. At the same time, unless Obama was planning to deliver some sort of ‘prepared’ message, clearly the use of one at an elementary school was, indeed, laughable.

As for the Tebow message. Sure it’s appropriate for him and his mother to deliver a message that says, in essence, ‘be careful about your ‘choice’, your baby may grow up to be like Timmy.’ At the same time, it would also be appropriate – and at least as likely from an odds standpoint – for the momma of some mass-murderer to make a spot where she says, ‘I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wished that I had ‘aborted’ my Timmy – McVeigh, that is.’

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Jay, this is that one time a year I agree with you. Tim is a fine young man and unlike most of us (me included) lives his daily life in compliance with his stated beliefs. As far as the “free speech” aspect is concerned, “what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.”

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“choose to not have an abortion against her doctor’s reccomendation and she and the baby died.”

OR

choose to not have an abortion against her doctor’s reccomendation and she and the baby lived. Unfortunately the baby, once grown, turned out to be such a disappointment she wished she had followed her docs reccommendation of aborting the lil basturd.

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ohfercryingoutloud … he didn’t use the prompter when he talked to the kids – he used it when he had his presser …

seriously, guys – you really need to let the teleprompter thing go – it makes you look desperate.

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Maybe the Dixie Chicks could be called upon to put Tebow’s message to song.

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Let all the girls boycott the Super Bowl – what do they know about football in the first place? Anyway, shouldn’t they be in the kitchen making dips and wings for the men?

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stands for decibels:

Do you have any idea how quick many obstetricians will offer abortions. I had a friend whose ultrasound showed not one, but two soft markers for disability. The OB, without hesitation, offered her a choice. Had some innocent sounding word for the process. My friend rejected the option outright.

That child was born with no disabilities. She’s is, in fact, one of the smartest 18 month olds I’ve ever seen.

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Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
9:27 am

Its not an issue of the child starving the issue is the parents lack of caring, responsbility, common sense. Nice spin though and excellent promotion of the Nanny-State!

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H

January 27th, 2010
9:26 am

Well said!

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Granny G..
never changed my name?? I am unable to post everyday as I travel for a what I do. When I have some free time I like to get on here and see whats the topic for the day.

Teleprompters.. Pres Obama (the liar) is a great speaker.. no doubt.. reminds me of the other great speakers.. Like Creflo Dollar… etc. The man needs a teleprompter to speak to school children and thats just kind of sad..

Food for thought.. on the news this morning the talk show hosts were talking about the economy.. one of the reporters made the comment that while Reagan faced several of the issues that Pres Obama is dealing with, he was “lucky” that the economy turned itself around. Lucky?? He cut taxes to stimulate growth.

How would you like to retire on 90% of your salary for the rest of your life? Just get a government job..

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Larry

**T-Bone is a bible thumping, self promoting phony**

Tebo is a phony? YOu had better explain that to the multitudes of monster football players that he ran over during his years at Florida.

You seem very bitter and very full of hate. Maybe all is not lost. Instead of a young man actually standing up for what he believes, maybe Tebo will go more your style and become a rap artist and beat up a few GFs before he is found overdosed like so many American left wing icons.

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US in UK,

The “donor womb” and it’s health is not quite the issue. 92% of the 1.21M abortions performed in the country in 2009 (down from 1.37M) were performed for “societal reasons”, otherwise for birth control and because the child was not wanted. I will not speculate about the health of the wombs of all of these irresponsible people but will say that it seems a shame that we are destroying the equivalent of a pretty good sized American city every year, all under the label of “choice”. And we get our panties all in a wad about Michael Vick doing away with a few dogs or some Muslim fanatic trying to blow up a plane.

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“If you don’t think he has a fixation with a teleprompter, then please explain why he needs it to talk with 6th graders. 6TH GRADERS, for crying out loud!!”

The REAL “issue” is WHO CARES? Except for those who just HAVE to obsess over non-issues.

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I suppose it was inevitable that a speech issue would flip over to abortion. What’s really interesting, though, is how the blog’s split. Essentially, it’s two extremes. I’ll offer both positions are about as out of touch with most of America and are unaware, much as the Democratic establishment is after the series of events culminating in Scott Brown’s election.

Take a look at Brown’s position on abortion. In favor of current laws permitting abortion? Pretty much. Fight for a particular point but vote for the underlying bill, anyway? Yup. Against expanding to pretty much an on-demand basis. Yeah. In favor of scaling back current basic provisions? Nope. Says abortions should always be legally available? Yup.

And that’s the Republican who was elected. But there are plenty of groups whose donations and positions of power for their officials depends on no nuance, on taking an either/or all or nothing stance.

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Scott_Brown.htm

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Ranter

January 27th, 2010
9:29 am

I know you are being funny but I went to a super bowl party where the women stayed in the kitchen talking and only came out to see the commercials. The men would get up and make calls of nature or raid the kitchen. When the ads were over, the men came back for the game and the girls went back to the kitchen…gotta love it.

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This is where the magic wand would come in handy.

To make parents be caring and responsible.

Now where is that magic wand?

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Jenifer wrote: I wish the people who are anti-choice would be as concerned about the welfare of the ones who are born as they are for the ones in the womb.

That may be the most tired argument in the anti-life arsenal. Did you ever take a logic course? If I save a 1-year-old child from being killed by her parent, does that mean I have to be concerned about what happens to her the rest of her life? Should I have just let her die?

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I don’t really see what the problem is.

Tebow’s a nice guy, I’m sure, and if he doesn’t want to have an abortion, that’s his business.

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Eric is a joke. Why does he believe that Tebow needs to wallow in the dirt to “live” a real life. We have some seriously mentally and ethically deficient young people in our country, but Tebow isn’t one of them. Someone named Eric is.

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bubba – “If I save a 1-year-old child from being killed by her parent, does that mean I have to be concerned about what happens to her the rest of her life?”

actually, yes, it does. you should be concerned about the welfare of that child, the household it is in, etc., because THAT will be what shapes its future.

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I am a pro-choice atheist, and I think CBS should not be censured for running the ad. It’s all about money, in the end. And all the press given to it is just going to make everyone want to watch it…or not.

Personally, I don’t find Tebow’s story to really be a compelling reason to make the ad. Who are they trying to convert? Tebow’s mom, like another poster pointed out, had a support system to help her raise Tim, and he had many advantages (two being that he was white and athletic). I’m sure the ad does not address what poor pregnant women are supposed to do, though I’m sure that is the demographic that FoF is trying to convert.

I just find it silly that religious groups, and religious people, spend so many billions of dollars and billions of hours anguishing over the subject of abortion. Couldn’t tha money be better apent elsewhere? Aren’t their ANY OTHER CAUSES that so-called “Christians” care about? Why not spend those millions on doing things that Jesus actually preached about?

I am not for “sharing the wealth.” I am not a liberal. And it is their money to do with as they will…but it seems like SUCH a waste. Abortion will ALWAYS be around. It is NEVER going to go away, no matter how many billions are thrown at it. I hope it will always remain legal, but even if it doesn’t, it ain’t going away.

Religious people’s priorities are sometimes so screwy. What WILL make this world a better place, really? What SHOULD one be doing to make the world a better place?

Given the fact that God is the biggest abortionist of all time, and abortion is NEVER mentioned in the bible, people get so freaking worked up over it! Really, folks–the bumper sticker is trite and pat, but it’s true: If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one. IT’S NO ONE’S BUSINESS but the pregnant woman (if she’s over 18) and the contributor of the sperm (if he even cares).

Do you honestly think you are making the world a better place by preaching against abortion? How, exactly? How about preaching against homosexuality? That’s as moronic…all the money and time WASTED FOREVER on something that is NEVER going away.

Supposedly this great man named jesus saved you all, and died for you, and was this incredible human being made holy who brought salvation to you…and yet his legacy has become one huge screed against abortion and homos?

How the hell have you Xtians done that? Have you even READ your bible?

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CBS Sports Columnist Gregg Doyel said it best,

“Apparently the commercial has a beautiful, undeniable message. Tebow’s mother suffered a life-threatening infection during that pregnancy, and doctors advised her to abort the baby. She didn’t. She named him Tim. Just typing this paragraph gives me goose bumps. The commercial might just make me cry.

Still, I don’t want to see. Not during the damn Super Bowl. And I’m not complaining about the ad because it’s anti-abortion and I’m not. I’m complaining about the ad because it’s pro-politics. And I’m not.

Not on Super Sunday. If you’re a sports fan, and I am, that’s the holiest day of the year. That’s a day for five hours of football pregame shows and four hours of football game and three hours of postgame football analysis. That’s a day for football addicts to gorge themselves to the gills on football. It’s not a day to discuss abortion. For it, against it, I don’t care what you are.

On Super Sunday, I don’t care what I am. Feb. 7 is simply not the day to have that discussion.”

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off topic daily de bunk at 9:31 Reagan had to RAISE taxes to turn the economy around

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I am surprised these women’s groups are not offended by these soft-core-porn Victoria Secret ads and other scantily clad women you see in commercials…..why the offense at this? Which is the better role model for your child?

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Dear USinUK, you will be pleased that we have a broad area in which we can agree. Just as good conservative girls are unlikely to conceive leftists, they are unlikely to abort such future potential good citizens, As loose leftist women are more likely to conceive leftists, we would all urge them to abort all of their spawn, for the future good of society. Give each faction what it wants, right?

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Back on the ‘teleprompter’ thingy…seems to me that your boy-George could have used one, or maybe a mic in his ear like that debate time, back on 9/11/01 while he sat there in front of a bunch of first-graders with a look of ‘I don’t know whether or ’s**t’ or go blind’…but that’s OK cause the cheer-leader was able to parlay talking like a peckerwood (must have been that private school, and Yale, and Harvard, education) and buying a pig farm so he could look ‘Texas’, only in his case it was ‘All hat and no pigs’.

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USinUK

**I use the term “donor womb” because the woman in this situation seems to rate with you people not at all. she and her rights are secondary.**

If her health is in danger, there shouldn’t be a hesitation for an abortion to save the mother. But to murder the child because it’s just not a good time to have a baby? Or as the conversation has now gone, because the baby won’t live in a Disneyland home?

No. The unborn baby should have the rights that are given to any minor age citizen of this country. Yes, this doesn’t hold down the surplus population, but the poorest are still having the most children and the “Idiocrasy” best and brightest are having abortions. As I have said before: is just around the corner.

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Another “what if”:

What if Tebow had been a serial killer?

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“No, it’s not and you are being willfully ignorant on the issue.”

How is not essentially the same? Please explain you opinion.

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I too have always had a great deal of respect and admiration for Tim Tebow and the things he stands for. We need more like him. However, I do not agree with a commercial spot on such a controversial subject that is sure to aggitate many viewers. That’s not what the superbowl is about and it has no place there.

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Oh, I know. Pro-choice is more politically correct, right Bosch?

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“by these soft-core-porn Victoria Secret ads”

Soft porn? LOL…you mean modeling?

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Peadawg,

You wrote that pro-choice is basically the same as being pro-abortion – I don’t know anyone who is pro-abortion – no one I know believes in abortion like it’s some kind of great thing. Being pro-choice is that you simply believe it to be a woman’s choice – that’s it, and to call it anything else, you are being willfully stubborn and ignorant.

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oh, and btw, Kayaker (and others) – I use the term “donor womb” because the woman in this situation seems to rate with you people not at all. she and her rights are secondary.

Well, it’s not like it’s their body being discussed. By the way, I hear the Taliban are being put back in power in Afghanistan. Some of the Taliban were invited out to Texas many years back. I think they hit it off with some of the folks they met. I’m sure they shared ideas.

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“not having a kid one isnt gonna rear properly.”

Thank you.

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Abortion, with some limits, is legal in the USA per the Supreme Court.
Spending $3 million on an ad seems to be a waste of money, but it will probably make the donors happy & keep fund raising going.

You know only five people need to be convinced to change the legality of abortion, five on the Court. As of the 2008 term of the court the five were not there.

Maybe the Family Council would have gotten more bang for the buck if they had taken the $3 million and opened an abortion alternative clinic, home & adoption service. As always, I would happily contribute to such an effort.

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Bosch, so you can be for it and against it at the same time?

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Timmy better keep preachin’..its the only job he’s gonna have on sundays.

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“What if”? really? well, tebow at least had a choice to either become a serial killer or a heisman trophy winner, and all around nice guy. And what do you know, he chose the latter. sheeesh.

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kayaker –

“The object of this whole thing is to prevent the pregnancy before it happens. The issue that is central to this whole thing is the irresponsibility of the prospective parents. If it is that easy to get an abortion, why be responsible? ”

what “whole thing”??? the ad??? really??? the ad talks about the importance of birth control???

and you seem to have some kind of misconception (get it? misconception? I slay me) that birth control always works – that condoms never break, that the pill is foolproof, that IUDs work without a safety net.

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Jenifer

**What if Tebow had been a serial killer?**

Anyone could be. Better crank up the old skull fracturing abortion tool. Looks like we have a lot of babies to kill.

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Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
9:44 am
Another “what if”:

What if Tebow had been a serial killer?

Then he would have fit right in with the NFL…

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Paul:

You’ll find this interesting. I was reading about an anti-abortion rally whereby many young people were in attendance. The reporter (liberal) covering the event said that some were opposed due to religious convictions. Many were opposed because of the unsustainable tax burden they’ll be shouldering without any help from their friends (babies).

Glenn over at Wooten’s used to be offended by my reference to the unborn as a natural resource. He backed off a bit when I said they were a source of love, intellectual talent, and yes…..government revenue.

Facts are facts, and that’s one the progressives choose to ignore. Unsustainable costs.

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Normal – did you catch my link for you downstairs???

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christians are the biggest frauds this side of islamic fascists, they dream of a monotheistic society to parallel the middle east, same tune, just change the leader of the band jesus,muhammad…you say bible, i say koran…let’s call the whole thing off….

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Whacks Eloquent ,

“Should we only have sports equipment and services commercials during the game?”

It is the difference between selling a product and social editorialism.

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Another “what if”:

What if the people who are anti-choice never have an abortion?

I don’t think anyone would have a problem with that, I know I wouldn’t.

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“Pro-Choice is just that – you are for a woman’s right to choose – it’s her choice”

Pro-abortion is just that – you are for a woman’s right to have an abortion – it’s her choice. See? No difference

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the anti-choice forced pregnancy crowd cracks me up.In the 80’s while attending UF I volunteered at a clinic to escort women past these creeps,nasty bunch mostly men.

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Jenifer

I’m not sure that any unborn baby would be pro-abortion so it appears that Roe v Wade is defeated. That is unless you believe that they have absolutely no rights. Is that what you believe?

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mm – and don’t forget the TV docudrama about the Reagans and how the conservatives made that one sleep with the fishes … (also CBS)

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He should have been prohibited from wearing those biblical references under his eyes while he was playing for Florida, which is a state institution. He seems to be a very polite and well-intentioned, if misguided, young man. I don’t care if the add runs or not.

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Pro-murder is just that – you are for a woman’s right to murder her kid – it’s her choice. See?

How about that one, Bosch?

“the choice of a fetus to be born and become a human being, free to choose its path in life.” AMEN!!!!!

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Bosch, you write…
“Pro-Choice is just that – you are for a woman’s right to choose – it’s her choice. It has nothing to do with whether or not you agree or disagree with the procedure itself. See the difference now?”

So should I tell my son it is his choice to steal or not, as in my opinion that would be telling him it is ok to steal.

I only say that because i rarely if ever see any who are pro-choice preface their pro-choice statements with anything close to I disagree with the procedure but I feel it is their choice.

Do youalso agree that it should be people’s choice to kill whomever they want? I mean what if they consider the person they kill a threat to them.

Remember it is against the law to shoot someone in your yard! Even if they are breaking in your window.

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US in UK,

Condoms break, IUDs don’t always work, mistakes happen….. right. But I wonder how many of the 1.21M babies destroyed in this country last year were victims of the above or just plain irresponsibility. It seems to take two people to create one of these little things. it’s just too easy to do away with the mistake, all in about 15min., and then you’re free to go out and do it again. And Bozo even wanted the American taxpayer to fund this irresponsible behavior. If the Muslims destroyed a city in the US of 1.21m people, we would never stop talking about it. But it’s only a fetus. What the hell. We can always produce another one.

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Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“Question hit you pretty hard? So pro-abortion is OK unless you don’t get to decide the reasons for having an abortion.”

No, the question didn’t hit me hard at all…it just struck me as something a homophobic douche bag that dreams of world without the “sin” of being gay would write.

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USinUK @ 0954.

Yes I got the link and replied….

USinUK,
Thanks for the link. My Dads father did something simular with his maple trees in New Hampshire. He sang Gaulic (he was French) songs to them as he set up the sap running/catching equipment. Never understood what he was singing, but it was cool. I sing to trees now, for no appearent reason…must have rubbed off…

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I’m sick of the damn liberal media promoting causes like anti-abortion… Wait, what?

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“Bosch, what happened to the baby’s “choice”?”

A foetus is not a baby, it is a symbiote of the woman and is totally anc completely dependent on HER willingness to continue carrying it.

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Bosch, what happened to the baby’s “choice”?

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sigh.. anti abortion – pro abortion – everyone is correct. It just happens to be a difference of opinion on why they are correct.

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US in UK,

No, I just want the perpetrators of this act to be more responsible, use reasonable birth control devices and think about the consequences of their acts. Is that so much to ask?

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USinUK

January 27th, 2010
9:43 am

Who said it’s complicated? Have you, uh, er, uh, ever heard, uh, uh, Obama speak, er, er, without his uh, er, teleprompter? If W had done the same thing you libs would have popped your corks.

But perhaps you’re right. Maybe he wasn’t directing those statements to the children. Sort of like Jeremiah “Dice Clay” Wright wasn’t directing his statements to the people in the church. Maybe that’s how Obama never heard any incendiary remarks from the pulpit.

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USinUK wrote:

actually, yes, it does. you should be concerned about the welfare of that child, the household it is in, etc., because THAT will be what shapes its future.

You have fallen into my trap. Your statement sums up why liberals are so illogical.
In fact, the answer is no. I do not have to be concerned about her. If I save her life I have done a great thing. Even if I forget her the moment after I save her, I have still done a great thing. Saving her life was either a good thing or it wasn’t. What happens in the future doesn’t change the value of what has already occurred. Capiche?

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all these mothers who abort their female babies are against women’s rights.

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If we had decent affordable health care in America maybe less women would opt for an abortion

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Can we just abort all the leeches who normally vote for someone who will give them welfare? Now that is a choice I could support.

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Jimmeh –

“Who said it’s complicated? Have you, uh, er, uh, ever heard, uh, uh, Obama speak, er, er, without his uh, er, teleprompter?”

I’d rather have someone say “uh – er” because he’s actually thinking about what he’s saying than someone who is fluently repeating bumper-sticker political rhetoric.

and, seriously, Rev. Wright??? dude … to paraphrase Alice, “desperater and desperater”

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“all these mothers who abort their female babies are against women’s rights.”

And all these people agianst abortion have adopted at least one child, right?

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Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
10:12 am

Oh wow, the hypothetical game. Try this one:

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

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@@ 9:54

Yeah. But much of the current arguments on each side are not based on facts – more emotion or beginning with one or two personal premises then extrapolating from there. Not a lot of the arguments are based on current law or likely legislation or court decisions.

But I suppose it’s a good way to vent. Or to feel good for one-upping one’s opponent. Makes one a better person. Just like making it to the stoplight first makes you a better driver than that other driver who can’t go as fast.

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WOW, this is the first time I have read these comments on ajc. People need to get a grip. Its College Football!! Nothing more, nothing less. It appears that Florida has everything Georgia wants. A national star, national acclaim, national championships.

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jewcowboy, my post should have had a question mark attached. Sorry. but why should someone have adopted a baby to be against abortion.

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My mother did not have a CHOICE when I was conceived and if she had aborted me then I wouldn’t have much of a opinion anyway.

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USinUK

January 27th, 2010
10:14 am

Simple math equation:

Obama + teleprompter = “repeating bumper-sticker political rhetoric”.

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Jewcowboy

**And all these people agianst abortion have adopted at least one child, right?**

Is that the requirement? We have to adopt children in order to be against killing unborn babies? IS that the rule that you are setting down right now? What gives you that right. I choose not to adopt. My choice. Problem?

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“Should she be forced to bear the child?”

Is it the child’s fault? Wow murder the kid b/c of something he/she couldn’t control?

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KWB – “USinUK, so you wish your mother had aborted you????”

as I was given up for adoption, I wish my birth mother had had a choice -

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Jay, if you’re getting paid by the comment you may never have to work again!! lol

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Abortion, out of sight – out of mind. Personal choice of those involved, let God sort it out.

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ty webb,

“but why should someone have adopted a baby to be against abortion.”

A put your money where your mouth is kinda thing. It’s easy to be for or against something, but if one wants to truly make abortion non-palatable there must be a solition to the unwanted babies and the conditions that led to an unwanted baby in the first place.

Otherwise, it’s just a bunch of hot air.

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reaching NIF?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy19fMT1j_k

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USinUK,

We wish she would have had a choice also. You also have that choice today…..a tall building…..the feeling of flight for about 5 seconds…….pain no more.

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ty webb

**but why should someone have adopted a baby to be against abortion.**

Give the guy a break. Jewcowboy is a very good democrat. He attacks people who offer questions that he hasn’t been trained to answer, but this “All lifers must adopt” nonsense is a well taught approach. HE can’t go beyond an answer to that crap, but he is at least trying .

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Here’s some free speech for you……..and we wonder why our state is broke? Maybe it’s some of our leaders???? Furlough days, overwhelmingly unpopular with every government employee, including teachers, professors, etc……Who all, by the way, were all hired with a mutual agreement, understanding, contract on pay……..this clown “legislator” never took his furlough days because he didn’t agree with them, and he understood he was going to make a certain amount of moeny……..(from the ajc article today):
Rep. David Lucas of Macon and Rep. Earnest “Coach” Williams of Avondale Estates said they oppose the furloughs on principle. Both said the leadership ordered the days without consulting members, who ran for the office with the expectation they would be paid a certain salary.

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This must have surely gotten overlooked, so I will repost.

Another “what if”:

What if a 12 year old girl is raped and impregnated by her father?

Should she be forced to bear the child?

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Mick,

“Abortion, out of sight – out of mind. Personal choice of those involved, let God sort it out.”

I actually agree, despite my personal feelings on it. I just don’t understand why pro-choicers are so upset about an organization that wants to influence the abortion choice. It still is up to the women, there are many of us that would like to see women choose not to get abortions because they feel it is the right choice, not because the imperial government won’t let them.

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And Jenifer,

To give you a what if.

What if a 16 yr old girl has unprotected sex with numerous partners, very frequently then gets pregnant.

Has an abortion, goes back to her same old ways.

Gets Pregnant, and has another abortion.

Since her life didn’t have any consequences she then goes back to having unprotected sex again. Gets pregnant has another abortion.

Goes back to the same thing again.

How is she not using abortion as birth control?
Who knows if she aborted the fetus that would one day cure cancer?

My what if happens way more than your what if.

Being that I have only been out of college for 4 years, I assure you mine is one very often repeated.

In most cases it has nothing to do with rape or finaincial security.

It has to do with the selfishness of the mother and not wanting to take responsibility for her actions and not wanting to give up her party life style, or comfortable lifestyle.

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Ragnar!!?!!

Tax ‘em all and they’re no longer worthless. When they begin to see the government as something other than their means to and end, they’ll turn on ‘em. The judicial system will take care of the sociopaths. Limit the number of appeals to one. Hasten due justice.

As far as assignment of worthless human beings….I’ll let that stink stick where it belongs–with Margaret Sanger’s Planned Parenthood who said the poor and ignorant should not be allowed to breed. Ignorance begets ignorance. She was talking about African Americans. I’ll let the dems continue to support her views, not me.

eeewwwwwww

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So jenifer do people who have adopted unwanted babies have a right then to be pro-life. Obviously they care about the baby after it is born.

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Brad @ 10:23 am

Well said!!!

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Pro Choice,
You are getting a little too persomal here. Don’t make Jay ban you…just sayin’

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USinUK, AMVet

It has to happen. Yes, fathers rape daughters. Yes women are raped, yes, sometimes the woman’s life is in danger.

Perhaps we could just start working on some sort of plan to REDUCE the numbers of babies being aborted. Perhaps we could spare more young girls the lifelong pain of knowing that they killed their child. Perhaps we could reduce the talk of supporting a multi-billion dollar abortion industry as something noble.

Maybe we could crack down on Hollywood and their incessant money grabbing efforts to sell sex to teenagers. After all, do teenagers really need to be any more “randy” than they already are?

That would be a great start.

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Pro Choice

January 27th, 2010
10:13 am

here here!!! *APPLAUSE*

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To compare the issue of taking an innocent life to the various mundane sins of the flesh is beneath contempt, just sayin…

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“If a fetus is a baby, then when did it become one? Was it when the cells began to divide, or the moment one sperm entered the egg (even in a petrie dish) , or before the sperm entered the egg?

If its the latter, is masterbation aborting thousands of little babies down the drain?”

Definitely. You must not, I repeat, must not masturbate.

A lot of people feel that any form of birth control, other than abstinence, is abortion.

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Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“HE can’t go beyond an answer to that crap, but he is at least trying .”

I will amend my comments to point out that homophobic douche bags shouldn’t be allowed to adopt. They should be aborted.

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For some reason this keeps getting overlooked…

Another “what if”:

What if a 12 year old girl is raped and impregnated by her father?

Should she be forced to bear the child?

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Outhouse, unlike some here, I prefer civility. It just makes one seem more adult.

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Jenifer

**Judging by the actions of most anti-choice people, their concern is only for those pre-birth, not after-birth.**

Try to find an orphanage set up by planned parenthood. Now try to find one set up by the Catholic Church.

Do you ever actually think before you type?

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“timmy’s mommy is going to hell, she let a pee-pee in her woo-woo out of wedlock, it says so in the bible…”

You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about…….

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LA is over at Bob Barr’s blog, but he’s not having any fun. Seems everybody on that blog is a conservative–nobody for LA to alienate. Look for Bookman to get a pleading e-mail soon.

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NIF – anyone stupid enough to advocate orphanages (not to mention one run by the Catholic Church) has obviously never had any kind of personal experience with them.

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why is every sperm sacred? the virgin mary didn’t even need the baby batter….

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how many of you faux christians are taking viagra at half-time?

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“taking viagra at half-time”

I’m 24 so I don’t need it. Thanks for asking though.

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I’ll admit its cold not to consider the life started at conception but what about collateral damage, famine, war, natural disasters and on and on. Just take some time and be thankful for your life and give it your best shot every day.

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Father rapes/impregnates 12 yr old daughter? She must deliver baby for the bible says, “incest is best”

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Mick – “I’ll admit its cold not to consider the life started at conception”

How do you define “life”? Because while 1 life begins at conception, 2 lives end. The lives of the egg and sperm cease to exist as separate, living cells at the moment they fuse together.

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USinUK

**NIF – anyone stupid enough to advocate orphanages (not to mention one run by the Catholic Church) has obviously never had any kind of personal experience with them.**

I have been in Catholic (and protestant) orphanages. Not great places for a kid to be raised. But outside the walls of those orphanages? Would you rather have the kids there, being sold into prostitution at age 9? Should all of those kids have been killed before birth?

What are the options? Do we just kill them all?

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“Perhaps we could just start working on some sort of plan to REDUCE the numbers of babies being aborted.”

NiF, I completely agree, of course.

But again to those that would outlaw abortion, my question is…

What is a reasonable alternative to this problem?

I think even many of you would agree that teaching abstinence only, for example, is ludicrously ineffective.

Do you agree or disagree that providing condoms and other forms of birth control en masse, would help?

I am interested in hearing pragmatic and defined solutions.

Bueller? Anyone????

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“Should he not have a chance at life because of this?”

No, because the life, health and sanity of the girl impregnated by her father FAR outstrips any “rights” of the foetus. Always.

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“Was it the kid’s fault that happened? Should he not have a chance at life because of this?”

And so your answer is…what?

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That’s the thing about Tebow….he doesn’t proselytize the way most people do. He actually LIVES his faith. That being said, I’m pro-choice and don’t have a problem with the ad. It was his mother’s right to decide whether or not to take her doctor’s advice. That’s the whole point. I’m not anti or for abortion, I’m for the safe and legal choice I, as an adult, can make. By the way, this isn’t a forum to debate Tebow’s skills or lack thereof. The young man is upstanding, a good leader, a good player and his friends and teammates respect him. He’s not promoting the thug mentality of so many of our current athletes….and that is a wonderful thing to behold.

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“If the guy says yes but the gal says no, is she aborting at that point.”

You’re a douche(sorry for the personal attack, Jay).

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HOWEVER… I do not need them crammed down my throat.

To quote the pro-choice advocates. The govenment should not be allowed to come between a woman and her right to choose.

On the other hand, progressives DO believe the government should be allowed to come between a patient and their doctor when they support CRAMMING THE HEALTH CARE BILL DOWN OUR THROATS.

You can’t have it both ways.

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Jay, Jenifer keeps posting the same thing over and over again…you wanna stop that or something?

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“NO SHE SHOULDN’T MURDER(abort or whatever you wanna call it/sugar-coat it as) THE KID. Clear enough for ya?”

Crystal clear. Thank you.

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who cares what Tim Tebow thinks about abortion? who cares what CBS thinks of Tim Tebow? I’d no sooner “choose” based on the musings of Tim Tebow/his mom when it comes to abortion, than I would drink a Pepsi because Britney Spears, Michael Jackson or Bob Dole said to.

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Peadawg

You’re a douche(sorry for the personal attack, Jay).

And what are you. Just plain sorry, I suspect.

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I’m sorry…pro-abortion. Sorry about the typo!

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“Given what’s happening to the Democratic agenda and the Party in general, posts about Palin or abortion are a sure diversion.”

I always thought it a trite comment, but now I’m not so sure.

SQUIRREL!!!!!

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Damn! I used to watch the game primarily for the ads.

Geez.

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jewcowboy

Why are you so afraid of the question? We are all discussing hypotheticals here.

So if the doctor finds that the mother is going to abort the child because the child shows a genetic disposition to being gay, would you want those abortions outlawed? This is quickly becoming reality. Pre-birth genetic tests are very common and some doctors believe that gays have genetic markers.

I am not saying that I would ask that my spouse abort a child because of the presence of those markers, but you know as well as I do, that some . . . many people would abort that baby, specifically because of this.

Why are you so afraid to address this?

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“Crystal clear”

Personally, I would say “brutally honest”

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“The embryo evolves”

or doesn’t

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Peadawg – It’s not murder or whatever you want to sugarcoat it. Under the current law of the land it is clearly not murder, murder is illegal, abortion is not. Is suicide murder? How about capital punishment or self-defense during a home invasion, murder, murder, murder?

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NiF –

“I have been in Catholic (and protestant) orphanages. Not great places for a kid to be raised.”

then, maybe advocating for them isn’t such a hot idea.

and, again – there are currently kids who have been living in foster care their entire lives, there are kids who are institutionalized because of illness or physical problems – adopt THOSE kids first before we start adding more to the mix …

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Peadawg:

Why no the right to murder?

For some time I’ve been of the opinion that dems are subversive in their racism. Harry Reid’s recent comments makes it all the more obvious.

But that’s just me and mine.

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“progressives DO believe the government should be allowed to come between a patient and their doctor when they support ”

Someone needs to get their crystal ball fixed.

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Just remember, as science progresses you abortionists/pro-choicers will someday be in the same category as slave owners (”how could ‘decent’ people have been so ignorant and cruel”?).

Your descendants will not be proud.

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Damn! I used to watch the game primarily for the ads.

It seems the days of getting a rise from “Bud” “Wize” “Er” are over, don’t it.

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Jake, I call it like it is pal. Looks like I’m in the minority when it comes to not caring what the PC babies say.

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If I had a wife and she was raped then became pregnant and wouldnt have it aborted I would file for divorce.

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And all of the responses here are *exactly* why the ad shouldn’t air… it’s too polarizing an issue. And CBS wouldn’t air an atheist ad, I can almost guarantee. So it shouldn’t air. Doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with him or his beliefs. It just plain shouldn’t air. On a Christian station, no problem. During the Super Bowl? No.

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jewcowboy

**First of all, it has been my observation not something I’ve overheard.**

Ah. So you have noticed that I was homophobic before. Any specific post, or just another liberal, brainless kneejerk reaction to anyone who doesn’t walk the goose step like you?

**Secondly, what steps have you personally taken to ensure that all unwanted babies end up in a loving supportive home?**

I got that extremely thin talking point the first 9 times you offered it. I give to my church. They support orphaned children all over the world through various mission groups.

How have you contributed to the mental health of the women that have killed their own unborn babies? Oooooooopppps. that would be an actual return question to your tired and untrue talking point. Can you answer it?

Is it your responsibility?

Did you impregnate the women?

Well, I didn’t either.

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If you get a vasectomy, your pre- killing god’s sperm-babies, you a murderer and will go to H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS!

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You know who is a murderer? Scott Roeder

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Bosch – haven’t you got it yet? Nothing…NOTHING…is more important that that collection of cells in the woman’s womb. NOTHING.

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Oh dear God in heaven—

Peadawg, seriously? You’d be more concerned over post-abortion stress than your wife being raped?

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Kim

**Anything that can not survive on its own is called a parasite**

The entire Democratic Party?

That’s cold.

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Peadawg – Just saying aborting fetuses under 6 months is legal and, therefore, the appropriate and PC way of referring to the process. When you start calling that process ‘murdering babies’, you’re imposing your personal spin and beliefs on it, implying it’s heinous and immoral. By way of contrast, Jennifer keeps suggesting that forcing a 12 year old victim of incest and rape to carry the fetus to term is heinous and immoral.

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I saw a bumper sticker that sums up my feelings fairly well:

Pro-choice before conception
Pro-Life after conception.

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One hour and NOT ONE proposed alternative to my question regarding banning abortion from those who would do so.

Hmmm…

Frequently, I get numerous unsolicited responses when making a general statement directed at no one in particular.

Now the verbose have gone strangely quiet.

I can only conclude that the most likely reason for this reticence is that they have no pragmatic alternatives…

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PeaDawg, I agree! Tebow is a great guy! I hope he does well in the NFL, but you’re right he was a Gator. YUCK! Go Dawgs!

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“Jenifer

[[Their silence speaks volumes]]

Careful. Last time I posted that I was informed by the Progressive side it meant no one cared about what was posted.”

Definitely not the case here, with the anti-choice group.

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Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“Any specific post, or just another liberal, brainless kneejerk reaction to anyone who doesn’t walk the goose step like you? ”

Yes, the initial post I responded too.

“I give to my church.”

So no actual hands on solutions, huh? Way to walk the talk.

“How have you contributed to the mental health of the women that have killed their own unborn babies?”

Please point out where I ever advocated abortion.

“Is it your responsibility?”

Yes, it is all of society’s responsibility to come up with solutions to replace abortion as a choice. If one truly cares about this issue more than just being morally wraithful on those who have abortions, then it is ones moral obligation to find a solution to the problems by doing more than just contributing to a church where the proceeds do nothing about the root cause, simply the after effects.

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“You’d be more concerned over post-abortion stress than your wife being raped?”

let’s not forget the whole “PASS” (post abortion stress syndrome) is a myth invented by the anti-choice crowd …

“Not recognized as an official syndrome or diagnosis by the American Psychiatric Association , the American Psychological Association, or any other mainstream authority, it is a bogus affliction invented by the religious right. Those who claim its existence define it loosely as a raft of emotional problems that they say women suffer after having an abortion — nightmares, feelings of guilt, even suicidal tendencies — and compare it to post-traumatic stress disorder.”

http://www.msmagazine.com/aug01/pas.html

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Welp, I agree with you for a change. He has the right to his ad and so does anybody else. CBS is however a private organization, it is not incumbent on them to be constitutionally fair to all, they can do what they want as a private organization, with in the law.

I also agree with Tebow, the draconian, murderous, racist (as it kills more blacks than any other demographic), disgusting practice should be done away with once and for all. I want these kids in the world; they deserve a chance to live. Killing an autonomous living human being because it’s life is inconvenient to somebody is lowest, most revolting practice in America today. It’s time to stop. There’s plenty of ways to avoid pregnancy and there are plenty of ways to deal with pregnancy other than to kill the baby.

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Bosch – a little more on the BS of PASS:

There is no scientific evidence of a causal relationship between abortion and poor mental health.[5][6][7] Some studies have found a statistical correlation between abortion and sadness or stress.[8] Pre-existing factors in a woman’s life, such as emotional attachment to the pregnancy, lack of social support, pre-existing psychiatric illness, and conservative views on abortion increase the likelihood of experiencing negative feelings after an abortion.[8][9][10][11]

In a 1990 review, the American Psychological Association (APA) found that “severe negative reactions [after abortion] are rare and are in line with those following other normal life stresses.”[7] The APA revised and updated its findings in August 2008 to account for the accumulation of new evidence, and again concluded that termination of a first, unplanned pregnancy did not lead to an increased risk of mental health problems. The data for multiple abortions were more equivocal, as the same factors that predispose a woman to multiple unwanted pregnancies may also predispose her to mental health difficulties.[12][13] As of August 2008, the United Kingdom Royal College of Psychiatrists is also performing a systematic review of the medical literature to update their position statement on the subject.[3]

Some proposed negative psychological effects of abortion have been referred to by pro-life advocates as a separate condition called “post-abortion syndrome.” However, the existence of “post-abortion syndrome” is not recognized by any medical or psychological organization,[14] and some physicians and pro-choice advocates have argued that the effort to popularize the idea of a “post-abortion syndrome” is a tactic used by pro-life advocates for political purposes.[1][6][15][16] In response to such activism, some U.S. state legislatures have mandated that patients be told that abortion increases their risk of depression and suicide, despite the fact that such risks are not supported by the scientific literature.[17]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_mental_health

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Looks like I’m in the minority when it comes to not caring what the PC babies say.

Since you support criminalizing abortion, and since you know that those sent to jail will be anally raped, you are obviously pro-anal rape.

Why do you have to be so PC about it? Why do you have to use terms like “pro-life?”

Damn PC baby.

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Outhouse GoKart,

“There are times when a retro-active abortion is the only answwer.”

Such as those who are entirely to pert and perky in the morning before I’ve had my caffeine fix.

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That Jesus was one sneaky sperm…

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Redneck:

We did raise my husband’s nephew. Did try to adopt….there were age restrictions on my husband. Decided to do the next best thing….mentoring and working with handicapped kids.

I work out of the home. The school is on a field trip today. I don’t do field trips.

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NIF –

“Perhaps we could just start working on some sort of plan to REDUCE the numbers of babies being aborted. Perhaps we could spare more young girls the lifelong pain of knowing that they killed their child. Perhaps we could reduce the talk of supporting a multi-billion dollar abortion industry as something noble.”

yep – comprehesive sex education, access to effective birth control (including plan b) and access to emergency contraception in EVERY hospital where a woman is treated for rape or incest.

when I hear the anti-choice crowd advocating for those things, then I’ll believe they are truly trying to reduce the number of abortions.

but, as long as they focus on movies and abstinence, then their advocacy rings hollow

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Many have said that this isn’t the time and place to put an ad of this type on. People are watching a football game and should be “united” at that time. Well, I know of a lot of people who say they just watch the Super Bowl because of the ads. It’s a big deal to a lot of people. And how many times are we subjected to ads that are so close to porn, or with messages that are destructive to our society. Little kids should be able to watch the Super Bowl with their parents, along with the ads. But so many times, parents have had to turn the station when an inappropriate SB ad comes on because of it’s content. I say let the Tebows share an inspirational message this Sunday for a change. Our society is full of bad messages every day. Some of us are really getting sick and tired of it.

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USinUK

[[There is no scientific evidence of a causal relationship between abortion and poor mental health.[]]

You’re kidding? Haven’t you been reading these comments?

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USinUK,

Well, I’ve never heard of such a thing – but any woman who has an abortion or has a baby is gonna be depressed – it’s called hormones – and when those little boogers manifest themselves – it ain’t pretty.

The pro-lifers are good at blowing things out of proportion – I mean, is partial birth abortion an epidemic in this country? How about rape victims getting pregnant? They are boogey men arguments meant to flame emotions.

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USinUK,

Exactly what god are you referring to? Have you met him? And exactly what form did he/she take?

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USinUK,

And when I hear the same pro-lifers demanding all children receive free health care and pouring money into DFACS and foster care programs, I’ll believe them too.

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We need more pimps seeking advice from someone at an ACORN office. “Our prostitutes are having unprotected sex! What should we do?” Have you considered running for office.

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What? We gotta listen to Tebow say, “Thank you, mum, 4 not aborting me”? I guess every other mother’s son should be grateful, too. We should move Mother’s Day to Superbowl Sunday.

I miss the wardrobe malfunction. I heard the Saints have added it to their offensive game plan, sort of a Statue of Liberty gone wild play.

PS. Thanks, Mom.

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USinUK

Been gone on a business trip. Now clearing out what piled up while gone. This weekend sounds like a good time for it. It’s gonna get cold and rainy here.

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USinUK,

Don’t listen to Paul – he snuck off to see the new ABBA theme park. Yes, new ABBA theme park, for real.

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“11:03 – agreed”

So…your marriage vows are that easily ignored? Interesting.

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Paul – since I’ve been doing the low-carb thing, my focus has been soups on the cold weekends … Tom Yum Kai has become my recent fav …

good bidness trip?

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“We need more pimps seeking advice from someone at an ACORN office. “Our prostitutes are having unprotected sex! What should we do?” Have you considered running for office.”

WHODATGATE! Starring James O’Keefe in all his pimply faced glory!

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NiF, so if I understand you, your proposed alternative to “What is a reasonable alternative to this problem? I think even many of you would agree that teaching abstinence only, for example, is ludicrously ineffective.” is this?

“Perhaps we could spare more young girls the lifelong pain of knowing that they killed their child. Perhaps we could reduce the talk of supporting a multi-billion dollar abortion industry as something noble. Maybe we could crack down on Hollywood and their incessant money grabbing efforts to sell sex to teenagers. After all, do teenagers really need to be any more “randy” than they already are?”

Because you sure as hell didn’t touch this one:

“Do you agree or disagree that providing condoms and other forms of birth control en masse, would help?”

I am interested in hearing PRAGMATIC solutions that actually reduce abortions, not just hyperbole and rhetoric employed as teaching abstinence only that accomplish nothing…

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Usually, when an average Joe gets in front of tv cameras, he sez, “Hi, Mom!”.

Now, I guess we can expect that same person to now add, “…and thanx 4 not aborting me.”

Hallmark Cards has to go back to the drawing board.

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Maybe we can have Super Bowl ads supporting NAMBLA and Wiccans and the Klan and Fred Phelps and let’s see who else would make some great half-time entertainment sure to piss off someone? It’s about free speech and commerce right? As long as they come up with funds, put on the air during the Super Bowl.

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USinUK,

“Mamma Mia sold out at the O2 last week ”

That’s just wrong.

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Pro Choice,

“I think Ahmadinejad has a solution for you. Should be forthcoming here shortly.”

What are you talking about…there are no gays in Iran.

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Drain The Swamp (NIF),

“Your lack of having the intelligence or the spine to stand up for what you believe is sadly noted.”

As is your lack of reading comprehension.

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Sorry, NiF, I forgot to applaud you for at least responding.

Apparently not one single solitary anti-abortionist here even has the courage to touch this subject…

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“If I had a wife and she was raped then became pregnant and wouldnt have it aborted I would file for divorce.”

So when it comes to abortion, you pick and choose? Nice.

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Doggone,

Then why have there been cases of people being found guilty or prosecuted for killing an unborn baby?

You know like they attacked the mother and baby died as a result. Then they prosecute the attacker for murder.

Seems like a double standard.

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**So…your marriage vows are that easily ignored? Interesting.**

What does that have to do with it?

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thomas – “Seems like a double standard.” you’re absolutely right – the shouldn’t be prosecuted for a double homicide.

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Just saying Bosch,

Nobody here B*tches more like a toddler when someone claims to know what they think or their past or tells them how to think than you.

But I do forget you are different than all of us. Your rules for how other people behave do not apply to you.

Your just a rude hypocrit, nothing more nothing less.

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thomas,

“Your just a rude hypocrit, nothing more nothing less.”

Why I never! Ahhhhhhh. [As I fall on my swooning couch with the fluffy pillows with my hand over my forehead]

But I don’t tell others what they think or believe.

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Jedwcowboy

**You are quite myopic aren’t you?**

Sometimes specific questions need to be asked. Someday, I’ll find a liberal that has the stones to answer those questions.

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Doggone

**Because they destroyed something of value to the woman, that’s why.**

I appreciate your honesty. Not many liberals will admit the main reason for abortions.

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USinUK,

“yep. had a roommate when I first moved to DC – her parents were STAUNCH anti-choicers … until she got pregnant, then they disowned her for NOT having an abortion.”

that sucks. but I’d say she’s probably better off without hypocrites like that in her life. does she ever regret not getting the abortion?

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Frank,

[As I revive myself off my swooning couch]

“ABBAWORLD, wow I would never have believed it”

Believe it!

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USinUK,

Yes, I think I would like a cool, damp cloth. Thanks. I was able to revive a little for Frank, but I’m still feeling dizzy.

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Jenifer

** Why are some fetuses important, but others aren’t?**

See: Progressives / Social Engineering / Stalin-Mao-Goebbels / population control / pre-birth eradication

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Bosch,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2kNCy6HtkY

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Everybody in the ‘hood know-Joseph and Mary were bumpin’ uglies, they practiced the rhythm method, evidently Joseph can’t dance to the beat….

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Cowboy,

Are you myopic or do not realize what Ahmadinejad will rain down on you? BTW…..are you gay by choice or do you not have any control over that? Quite pertinent question that is being posed on Prop 8 right now…..

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Dog One,

Are you a PETA supporter?

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USinUK,

There was somewhere close to the outrage as over legal abortion?

Really could you link me a few articles about that. Try to pull them from a main-stream media source.

What do you think the comparrison would be of protest and article written about abortion and about people charged for murdering a fetus.

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thomas

**BUT THEY WERE CHARGE WITH MURDER! NOT DAMAGING PROPERTY.**

Wow. That’s some serious logic. It makes all the sense in the world, so expect to be ignored or attacked.

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thomas,

“Or by feel the same way were you not referring to how I would think and believe? BTW without knowing a single thing about me!

Can you make that make a little more sense before I answer?

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“BUT THEY WERE CHARGE WITH MURDER! NOT DAMAGING PROPERTY.”

Not my problem.

“Kinda goes against what you have been saying.”

I’m not responsible for what others say, only for what *I* say

“How do you murder something that is not alive?”

When did I ever say a foetus was not alive?

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