Tebow anti-abortion ad in the Super Bowl just free speech
I admire Florida football star Tim Tebow, both for what he does on the field and for who he is off the field. By all accounts he tries to live his Christian faith, and I’ve never been bothered by his efforts to proselytize. Even in the Biblical citations he wears in his eyeblack, he shows the good manners to proclaim his faith quietly without questioning or condemning that of others. OK by me.
Tebow is now the focus of a bit of controversy involving an anti-abortion ad in which he stars with his mother. The ad, sponsored by James Dobson’s Focus on the Family, will air during the Super Bowl, and some pro-choice groups are protesting the ad’s acceptance by CBS. They do have a point.
As the Washington Post reports, the Women’s Media Center and other groups “questioned how and why the network, which used to forbid ‘advocacy’ advertising, agreed to air Focus on the Family’s spot, which is valued at $2.5 million to $3 million.”
“The media center also noted that as recently as 2004, CBS had rejected an ad from the United Church of Christ, which wanted to use the Super Bowl as a chance to tell people it welcomes gay members. The center says CBS also has rejected ads in the past from MoveOn.org and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.”
The question of fairness is legitimate, but if this is really a new policy at CBS that will be extended to other causes as well, liberal and conservative, fine. The previous policy — designed not to offend anybody — never really made sense anyway, not in an advertising culture where discussion of four-hour erections and urinary problems have become standard.
And if Tebow wants to use his hard-earned fame to promote causes that he believes in, fine as well. I just hope he picks his spots carefully and stays wary about how others want to use him.
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Jenifer
January 27th, 2010
11:41 am
“yep. had a roommate when I first moved to DC – her parents were STAUNCH anti-choicers … until she got pregnant, then they disowned her for NOT having an abortion.”
I had a neighbor, very anti-choice, whose daughter became pregnant at 15. She got her to a clinic quickly.
Such hypocrisy. Why are some fetuses important, but others aren’t?
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
11:41 am
Frank,
[As I revive myself off my swooning couch]
“ABBAWORLD, wow I would never have believed it”
Believe it!
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:41 am
Doggone,
BUT THEY WERE CHARGE WITH MURDER! NOT DAMAGING PROPERTY.
Kinda goes against what you have been saying.
How do you murder something that is not alive?
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
11:41 am
USinUK,
Yes, I think I would like a cool, damp cloth. Thanks. I was able to revive a little for Frank, but I’m still feeling dizzy.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:43 am
” If you’ve ever known anyone whose actually been murdered, you’d feel the same way.”
-Bosch
“But I don’t tell others what they think or believe”
So now you are a hypocrit and a liar!
Or by feel the same way were you not referring to how I would think and believe? BTW without knowing a single thing about me!
Liar Liar pants on fire.
Sorry don’t have a jingle for hypocrits.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
11:43 am
Jenifer
** Why are some fetuses important, but others aren’t?**
See: Progressives / Social Engineering / Stalin-Mao-Goebbels / population control / pre-birth eradication
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
11:43 am
Bosch – 11:38 – would you like a cool cloth for your fevered brow?
thomas – “Then why is there no uproar over that?” there was – most people saw it for what it was: the adult-ification of a fetus, giving it the exact same rights as someone who is ex-utero
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
11:43 am
Bosch,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2kNCy6HtkY
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
11:44 am
Jenifer –
“Why are some fetuses important, but others aren’t?”
I think a better question is: why are some women important, but others aren’t?
Immaculate Deception
January 27th, 2010
11:44 am
Everybody in the ‘hood know-Joseph and Mary were bumpin’ uglies, they practiced the rhythm method, evidently Joseph can’t dance to the beat….
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
11:45 am
“Not many liberals will admit the main reason for abortions.”
Well, I’m not “many liberals” – just a believer that it’s the woman’s choice, and not the business of anyone else.
Pro Choice
January 27th, 2010
11:45 am
Cowboy,
Are you myopic or do not realize what Ahmadinejad will rain down on you? BTW…..are you gay by choice or do you not have any control over that? Quite pertinent question that is being posed on Prop 8 right now…..
Jenifer
January 27th, 2010
11:45 am
“I think a better question is: why are some women important, but others aren’t?”
Anyone care to answer? Probably not.
Pro Choice
January 27th, 2010
11:46 am
Dog One,
Are you a PETA supporter?
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
11:46 am
jewcowboy,
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:47 am
USinUK,
There was somewhere close to the outrage as over legal abortion?
Really could you link me a few articles about that. Try to pull them from a main-stream media source.
What do you think the comparrison would be of protest and article written about abortion and about people charged for murdering a fetus.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
11:47 am
Doggone
**just a believer that it’s the woman’s choice, and not the business of anyone else.**
How about the baby? Any rights there?
How about the Dad? Any hope of any rights there?
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
11:48 am
thomas
**BUT THEY WERE CHARGE WITH MURDER! NOT DAMAGING PROPERTY.**
Wow. That’s some serious logic. It makes all the sense in the world, so expect to be ignored or attacked.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:48 am
Jenifer,
Can’t answer don’t think anyone is more important than anyone else.
Think we should all be treated equal.
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
11:48 am
thomas,
“Or by feel the same way were you not referring to how I would think and believe? BTW without knowing a single thing about me!
Can you make that make a little more sense before I answer?
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
11:49 am
Pro Choice,
“BTW…..are you gay by choice or do you not have any control over that? ”
With that question you infer everyone is bi-sexual and must choose their orientation. When did a straight person choose to be straight? At what point did James Dobson decide he didn’t like dick?
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
11:49 am
“BUT THEY WERE CHARGE WITH MURDER! NOT DAMAGING PROPERTY.”
Not my problem.
“Kinda goes against what you have been saying.”
I’m not responsible for what others say, only for what *I* say
“How do you murder something that is not alive?”
When did I ever say a foetus was not alive?
The One
January 27th, 2010
11:49 am
Jennifer,
You are not important because I say so……there you should be satisfied now.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:49 am
Drain the Swamp,
Silly you men have no rights only responsibility once the baby is born.
God catch up!
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
11:49 am
NiF –
“How about the baby? Any rights there? ”
No.
“How about the Dad? Any hope of any rights there?”
if the embryo can be transferred safely to his uterus for him to carry for 40 weeks, then great.
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
11:50 am
“Are you a PETA supporter?”
Absolutely not
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
11:51 am
thomas – 11:47 – is ABC mainstream enough for you:
“Supporters of the federal bill say that it helps tighten up federal criminal code. But opponents charge that the bill is all about abortion politics and that supporters are exploiting the Peterson murder. The proposed law grants “personhood” status to a fetus, and would be the first time that federal law established individual legal rights for a fetus, separate from those enjoyed by the mother.”
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=124535&page=1
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:51 am
“Or by “feel the same” way were you not referring to how I would think and believe, if someone I knew was murdered? BTW without knowing a single thing about me!
You do remember writing that and telling me that I would feel the same way as you don’t you?
I would have stalled for more time too.
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
11:52 am
“How about the baby? Any rights there? ”
A foetus is not a baby
“How about the Dad? Any hope of any rights there?”
No…if the father wanted any say in the pregnancy, he should be more careful about whom he impregnates.
@@
January 27th, 2010
11:52 am
Has anyone been following this court case?
Two brothers aged 10 and 11 who subjected a pair of boys to a long ordeal of torture, beating and sexual assault told police they had only stopped hitting their victims because their “arms were aching”, a court heard today.
The details are chilling. This was in the U.K. where the government provides health care. Looks like they failed everybody in this instance. How many others have they failed?
A serious case review, to be published after the trial but leaked to the BBC, concluded that Doncaster social services had missed dozens of chances to intervene with the boys’ natural family and thus prevent the attack.
Keep talking about your drug highs and how many bottles you’re finishing off. That’ll serve your cause alright.
Kelsen’s mitigation statement noted that the older brother had viewed pornographic and violent films, smoked his father’s home-grown cannabis and regularly drank vodka and cider. The court was told of a series of violent incidents involving the brothers in the two years before the attack.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
11:52 am
USinUK
So why would anyone ever be charged for murdering two when they kill a pregnant woman. The baby has no rights?
And you don’t believe that the man should support the child?
Bold stance.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:52 am
USinUK-
Yes 1 article of opposition. How many you think I can find on Women’s rights to abort?
Which one do you think would have more and why?
Pro Choice
January 27th, 2010
11:53 am
I chose to be straight when I saw the beautiful attributes of the opposite sex. So basically your arguement boils down to “No choice on sexual orientation but choice on infantcide”. Thanks for clearing that up….You will lose your court case in California…..that’s too bad.
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
11:54 am
thomas,
“Or by feel the same way were you not referring to how I would think and believe? BTW without knowing a single thing about me!”
Oh, you got me! You’re the man!
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
11:55 am
“I chose to be straight when I saw the beautiful attributes of the opposite sex”
So there WAS a time when you were attracted to the attributes of the same sex that you are. Not many “straight” people are willing to admit that. Congratulations on your honesty.
Outhouse GoKart
January 27th, 2010
11:55 am
“I think a better question is: why are some women important, but others aren’t?”
Because, its a Mans World and thats just the way it is.
Pro Choice
January 27th, 2010
11:56 am
Cowboy,
Why are you even worried about abortion? Quite hypocritical of you since this is something you will never have to worry about. Whose rights are you trying to protect here? Fighting the good cause are we?
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:56 am
Just don’t whine and b*tch about it anymore like a baby is all I’m asking and was my point.
FrankLeeDarling
January 27th, 2010
11:56 am
Whoa,jewcowboy that was frightening I thought I was having a flashback,move over Bosch I think I may need the couch after viewing Jc’s 11:43
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
January 27th, 2010
11:57 am
Michelle Malkin sums it up:
The unmitigated chutzpah here is so blinding that I don’t just need sunglasses to protect my eyes. I need blackout curtains. Watch President Obama blame Congress for Demcare bribery and sabotage of transparency. As if Rahm and all the senior goons in the White House weren’t twisting arms and cracking heads to ensure that the deal met their boss’s timeline. As if the Cadillac tax break for unions hadn’t been hashed out at 1600 Pennsylvania.
Why should we show anything more than disrespect for this guy?
The way he lies about everything is totally disrespectful.
We can say we are being bipartisan.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
11:58 am
“No…if the father wanted any say in the pregnancy, he should be more careful about whom he impregnates.”
Really Doggone,
Thats mighty sexist of you!
Unless i missed your post about how women should be more careful and if they wanted a choice their choice was to not get pregnant.
If you have not posted it already I am sure it must be caught in moderation.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
January 27th, 2010
11:58 am
Emanuel, several Senate and House aides said, hasn’t been shy about assigning blame, either. He’s been especially critical of moderate senators, including Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), for wasting months negotiating with Republican senators, such as his friend Chuck Grassley of Iowa.
Gee, I thought Republicans didn’t have any ideas?
Pro Choice
January 27th, 2010
11:58 am
Nice try Dog One……….opposite sex always has been more attractive. Would you consider yourself attractive to another individual?
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
11:58 am
thomas,
“Just don’t whine and b*tch about it anymore”
You ain’t the boss of me.
Frank,
[Scoot, scoot] – would you like to borrow my damp cloth?
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
11:59 am
Pro Choice,
“I chose to be straight when I saw the beautiful attributes of the opposite sex.”
So you liked dick before?
“So basically your arguement boils down to “No choice on sexual orientation but choice on infantcide”.
Are you saying sexual orientation is governed by the government?
“You will lose your court case in California…..that’s too bad.”
And you are on the losing side of history…that’s too bad.
pat
January 27th, 2010
11:59 am
“I think a better question is: why are some women important, but others aren’t?”
Anyone care to answer? Probably not.
I’ll answer, its a stupid question. Women in a bad spot doesn’t justify murder. It’s a human life and abortion kills it. So you agree with killing human beings or you don’t…This is not a complicated concept to grasp. If you are ok with killing folks then by all means have as many abortions as you want so long as you admit the truth.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
11:59 am
Doggone
**A foetus is not a baby**
So all you need to do is change the name. That’s convenient. So if someone kills your father, will you forgive them if they just call him another name other than human? Your standards are pretty low for allowing murder. Mine aren’t that low. It takes more than changing the name for me.
**No…if the father wanted any say in the pregnancy, he should be more careful about whom he impregnates.**
Yep. Whenever I had sex with someone new, we always had very long and detailed discussions about the idea of the woman having a baby or an abortion. See, people from my planet NEVER HAVE SEX, because that abortion talk TENDS TO KILL THE MOOD. But I’m sure you have always discussed abortion with anyone that you are about to have sex with. It’a a very common thing, just NOT ON THIS PLANET.
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
12:00 pm
“Thats mighty sexist of you!”
Why? I would not agree that a woman has the right to insist that a man get a vasectomy, for instance. That is HIS decision. It’s his body, just as her body is HERS.
“Unless i missed your post about how women should be more careful and if they wanted a choice their choice was to not get pregnant.”
You can’t miss what I never posted.
“If you have not posted it already I am sure it must be caught in moderation.”
Again, you can’t miss what I never posted.
Granny Godzilla
January 27th, 2010
12:00 pm
thomas
actually there have been statements about the scenario you have been discussing.
here’s a hint….Laci Peterson was pregnant when she went missing….
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:00 pm
Pro Choice,
“Why are you even worried about abortion?”
Yes, I’ll go back to my flower decorating and fashion design.
Paul
January 27th, 2010
12:00 pm
USinUK
Yes, very good trip. Thanks.
I’ve recently made Navy Bean soup, beef vegetable soup and cabbage soup. I’ll have to have a go at some Thai soups. Have to go out later, pick up some lemon grass.
Oh, and pity poor Bosch. He knows he wants to turn to the goodness and light of ABBA but he’s having a difficult time breaking away from the Dark Side.
FrankLeeDarling
Bosch thinks he can ride Agnetha at ABBAWorld. I keep telling him it’s an Agnetha ride, not ride Agnetha. But you know how Progressives are at understanding nuance -
ProChoice
Saw a guy wearing a PETA t-shirt the other day: “People Eating Tasty Animals.”
Report/Whine
I have it on good authority Spkr Pelosi’s buying herself a pickup truck -
FrankLeeDarling
January 27th, 2010
12:01 pm
Please and thank you
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:01 pm
Ae cute Bosch, did you steal that from Malcolm in the Middle or hear it at snack this morning?
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:01 pm
FrankLeeDarling,
3-D holographic bobble-headed ABBA. Nightmarish indeed.
@@
January 27th, 2010
12:02 pm
How about the way Obama WHINES AND LIES about everything? Characteristics of the ultimate narcissist!
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:02 pm
@@ – “This was in the U.K. where the government provides health care. Looks like they failed everybody in this instance. How many others have they failed”
what in the blue blazes does that case have to do with health care??? child services, yes. health care, no.
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
12:03 pm
“Would you consider yourself attractive to another individual?”
yes
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:04 pm
pat –
“This is not a complicated concept to grasp. If you are ok with killing folks then by all means have as many abortions as you want so long as you admit the truth”
hooray! I’ll play your game – if you have no problem with the state killing people, then you should have no problem with abortion. after all, murder is murder.
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:04 pm
“Bosch thinks he can ride Agnetha at ABBAWorld. I keep telling him it’s an Agnetha ride, not ride Agnetha”
Holy crap that made me laugh!
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:04 pm
Doggone,
You told me the reason charges were filed for harming or killing the fetus is because it was something important to the mother.
Are you saying that the baby cannot be important to the father?
Also you thats apples and oranges. For apples and apples it would have to be a vasectomy for men and getting ones tubes tied for women. You are talking about the ability to reproduce.
In the case of pregnancy the reproduction has already began.
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
12:04 pm
OMG! I forgot snack time!
Whacks EIoquent
January 27th, 2010
12:04 pm
off-topic but…
PETA wants to replace Punxsutawney Phil with a robot…
I hereby recommend replacing all PETA members with robots!
any speck of respect I had for those loonies vanished after the whole “Sea Kittens” thing
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:05 pm
“Characteristics of the ultimate narcissist!”
Wouldn’t that cover just about everyone in public office?
Paul
January 27th, 2010
12:06 pm
@@
When I first heard this I thought the President must be kidding. But then, finding out about the topic and the group, I have to think he was serious.
Absolutely incredible –
(from ABC News) “Rep. Marion Berry, D-Ark., fears that these midterm elections are going to go the way of the 1994 midterms, when Democrats lost control of the House after a failed health care reform effort.
But, Berry told the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, the White House does not share his concerns.
“They just don’t seem to give it any credibility at all,” Berry said. “They just kept telling us how good it was going to be. The president himself, when that was brought up in one group, said, ‘Well, the big difference here and in ’94 was you’ve got me.’ “
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
12:06 pm
jewcowboy,
Holy Crap! That made me laugh too!
Paul,
Did you see jewcowboy’s link? Holy Crap! I think that will make you laugh too!
Swede Atlanta
January 27th, 2010
12:07 pm
Re: Drain the Swamp @ 11:47
Ideally the decision should be one that is mutually agreed between the mother and the father. The father definitely has interests since it takes sperm and egg to create a fetus.
But if the two cannot come to an agreement, I can’t see the father’s interest in forcing the woman to carry the baby to term. The man knew at the time of the “fun” that in the event of pregnancy it would be the woman whose body would carry the baby to birth. In the event of a disagreement I think I have to come down on the side of the mother.
As to the interests of the baby. Well at this point it isn’t a baby by any scientific or medical definition. It is a fetus. And this is one of the biggest issues dividing those that are “choice/pro-abortion” and “anti-choice/pro-life”. The pro-life movement believes life (and its accompanying interests and rights) is formed at the time of fertilization. The other side, along a continuum, believe that life with recognized rights/interests doesn’t happen until the baby is viable outside the woman’s body all the way up to those that believe that life happens at birth.
Since these two sides come from very different perspectives, the issue of the interests/rights of the “unborn” will never be agreed.
I am always interested in understanding the position of those who support life with respect to other things that happen before birth and after birth. I fully respect those who promote life but that doesn’t stop at birth or even before. Life includes ensuring the mother/baby get appropriate pre-natal care. Life includes thinking about how we as a society ensure the young child has adequate food, shelter, medical care and love. It includes ensuring the child is set for success by having access to a safe and effective education. Life includes thinking about how we ensure everyone has access to adequate health care. Life includes thinking about whether or not society should execute in order to show that killing is wrong. Life includes thinking about how we respond both domestically and abroad about helping the hungry, homeless and sick. Life includes thinking about the consequences of our military actions in terms of killing innocent civilians.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:07 pm
Granny,
But if she was only pregnant then why call it murder?
You all have told us the fetus is not alive, so why would it matter if you end(kill) something that is not alive.
You do have to kill something that was once alive to be charged with murder right?
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
12:08 pm
USinUK
**hooray! I’ll play your game – if you have no problem with the state killing people, then you should have no problem with abortion. after all, murder is murder.**
Oh. Fun game: When you can find an unborn baby that has planned and carried out killing another person while still being in the womb, I say, drag out the Planned Parenthood tools of the trade and start sucking the brains out of the little criminal. THAT abortion, I would totally support.
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:08 pm
thomas – “Yes 1 article of opposition. How many you think I can find on Women’s rights to abort?”
sorry bub, but you asked for an article and I provided you with one – you want more, may I suggest http://www.google.com. I’m not your mommy.
as for which has more – let’s see … RvW has been the law of the land for 30+ years and has developed into a cottage industry for the religious right … vs. the fetal homicide law which has been in effect for less than 10 years … yeah, I wonder which has more articles in Lexxus Nexxus …
NiF –
“So why would anyone ever be charged for murdering two when they kill a pregnant woman. The baby has no rights?”
see my discussion with thomas – I’ve already addressed this issue.
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
12:09 pm
“So all you need to do is change the name.”
Nope, it’s not just “changing the name” – it is assigning the correct biological identity.
So if someone kills your father, will you forgive them if they just call him another name other than human?”
My father is an autonomous entity, not a symbiote of a woman’s body.
” Your standards are pretty low for allowing murder. Mine aren’t that low. It takes more than changing the name for me. ”
Foeticide is not murder.
“Yep. Whenever I had sex with someone new, we always had very long and detailed discussions about the idea of the woman having a baby or an abortion. See, people from my planet NEVER HAVE SEX, because that abortion talk TENDS TO KILL THE MOOD. But I’m sure you have always discussed abortion with anyone that you are about to have sex with. It’a a very common thing, just NOT ON THIS PLANET.”
If you were not prepared to deal with the consequences of that sex, then maybe you SHOULD have taken the time to have that discussion. Or been really, really intelligent about it and done something to make SURE that a pregnancy did not result. Your choice.
@@
January 27th, 2010
12:09 pm
jewcowboy:
NIH doesn’t provide psychological, mental health, or substance abuse counseling? That’s nice to know.
RW-(the original)
January 27th, 2010
12:10 pm
Remember that 787 billion dollar Porkulous bill Obama rammed through so that unemployment wouldn’t get to 8%? The CBO just said oops, it’s really going to be 862 billion and we already know it didn’t do jack for employment.
No wonder the blog is in yet another marathon abortion discussion.
/I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming…already in progress.
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:10 pm
NiF – sorry, bub, but life is life – it’s either sacred or it isn’t.
Jefferson
January 27th, 2010
12:11 pm
So how come when Coric asks Palin, “Which Supreme Court Decisions do you disagree with” her answer was not Roe v Wade it was “lots of them?”
Hank Williams said “If you mind your own business, you won’t be minding mine”
Paul
January 27th, 2010
12:11 pm
Bosch
I saw the link (sniff). I prefer to not fill my mind with sacrilegious images mocking all things holy and true, thank you very much.
Whacks EIoquent
January 27th, 2010
12:11 pm
Paul @ 12:06,
All I can say is wow. Some serious arrogance. What does he have that Bill Clinton doesn’t?
Wait, I know…an attractive wife!
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
“If you were not prepared to deal with the consequences of that sex, then maybe you SHOULD have taken the time to have that discussion. Or been really, really intelligent about it and done something to make SURE that a pregnancy did not result. Your choice.”
Doggone, but the woman does not have those same obligations?
NJ
January 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
Abortion, yada, yada.
Amazes me. Its a firmly MEDICAL thing. Applying RELIGIOUS principals requires allowing ALL religions there say, and in some of them, abortions is not problematic because for them, the soul does not enter the body until the seventh day.
Using a religious standard is the worse one to use.
With regard to health reform, the simple answer is that Americans are either stupid enough to listen to Republican fear tactics, or SMART enough to listen to what Obama was originally demanding. A public option. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of all polls show that decline in support for the health care plan going through Congress is in direct proportion with all public options being removed from the legislation. The fact is that the Republicans are putting a false spin on the reasons that public OPPOSES the legislation before Congress. They want a nice simple, public option, according to all the polls that ask the question. Republicans in their usual form have stopped the public from getting what it wants.
Even the most recent POST MASSACHUSSETTS Rasmussen poll the indications that this is the case are found in his poll. The public in that state overwhelmingly supports TWO aspects of the Health Reform bill before Congress:
“Creating a new national insurance exchange and requiring health insurance companies to accept applicants with pre-existing conditions.”
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
Both the Massachussetts voters and the overall National Poll shows 70 percent of the public supports this CORE of health reform.
Drain The Swamp (NIF)
January 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
USinUK
I saw that. You told him to find proof for your point of view. THat didn’t prove anything.
**30+ years and has developed into a cottage industry for the religious right **
Cottage industry for the people who want to save the babies, a multi-billion dollar killing machine for the people who want to kill the baby. I think the baby-savers should have a bigger, better, more powerful organization.
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
“Are you saying that the baby cannot be important to the father?”
Certainly a BABY can be important to the father, even a foetus can be important to him…but the importance of the foetus to the father is never outstripped by the woman’s decisions. Her body, her decision.
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:12 pm
NiF –
“You told him to find proof for your point of view. THat didn’t prove anything.”
wrong-o, my friend … HE asked ME to provide an article.
@@
January 27th, 2010
12:13 pm
Sorry, my 12:09 was intended for USUK.
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:13 pm
@@,
“NIH doesn’t provide psychological, mental health, or substance abuse counseling? That’s nice to know.”
Sorry..not following. What is this in reference too?
Bosch
January 27th, 2010
12:13 pm
Paul,
Would you like me to get up off the swooning couch? I’ll be more than happy to give you my space, I’m feeling better now. And Frank smells oddly of almonds and peaches.
RW-(the original)
January 27th, 2010
12:14 pm
“They just don’t seem to give it any credibility at all,” Berry said. “They just kept telling us how good it was going to be. The president himself, when that was brought up in one group, said, ‘Well, the big difference here and in ’94 was you’ve got me.’ “
I wonder how hard they’re having to work to muzzle Billy Jeff after that crack.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:14 pm
Jay,
You making some omeny off this one today ain’t cha?
AmVet
January 27th, 2010
12:14 pm
–noun
Muder – noun
1. The killing of another human being UNDER CONDITIONS SPECIFICALLY COVERED IN LAW. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
Oops. there goes that inane argument.
Just another example for those oblivious few who simply turn a blind eye to the actual and correct meaning of words. Any words. Any time…
pat
January 27th, 2010
12:15 pm
Why can’t gay people be concerned for human life? Is it a law you have to be a strait woman to be able to have a claim to caring for human life, no.
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:15 pm
@@,
Ahhh…that explains it. I thought for a moment you were asking NIH provides counseling for those who have been to ABBAWorld.
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:16 pm
NiF – ” think the baby-savers should have a bigger, better, more powerful organization”
and I’m just grateful that they’re spending so much money to help the kids that are already here …
oh, oops … waitaminnit …
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:16 pm
Her body, her decision
Just to be fun.
Didn’t she give up part of that right when she voluntarily gave her body to the man as he volutarily gave his sperm to her?
Unless there is now a real crisis of women being artifically impregnated only to have an abortion?
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
12:16 pm
“Doggone, but the woman does not have those same obligations?”
Certainly she does, but no one has the right to choose what she will do should those choices fail, or turn out not to be right for her after all. Her body, her decision.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:17 pm
AMVET,
Scott Pederson!
Doggone/GA
January 27th, 2010
12:18 pm
“Didn’t she give up part of that right when she voluntarily gave her body to the man as he volutarily gave his sperm to her?”
No
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2010
12:18 pm
pat,
“Why can’t gay people be concerned for human life? ”
Because gay people are inhuman sociopaths preying on our nations children who only care about flower arranging, home decor, pop songs and promiscuous sex with anonymous strangers.
USinUK
January 27th, 2010
12:18 pm
@@ – “NIH doesn’t provide psychological, mental health, or substance abuse counseling? That’s nice to know”
the first line of defense – the child welfare services – are the ones who failed these kids. no one did ANYthing to get them out of the house and away from the parents.
thomas
January 27th, 2010
12:18 pm
Doggone, read my 12:16 about her body.
Paul
January 27th, 2010
12:18 pm
Bosch
[[And Frank smells oddly of almonds and peaches.]]
It’s from Agnetha’s perfume.
Eat your heart out, soccer boy –
RW-(the original)
[[No wonder the blog is in yet another marathon abortion discussion.]]
As I said earlier: SQUIRREL!!!!
AmVet
January 27th, 2010
12:18 pm
Muder? Make that Murder in my 12:14…
AmVet
January 27th, 2010
12:19 pm
thomas, at 12:17,
???