Game on? Obama to recommit to health-insurance reform tonight

from the New York Times:

In a conference call today with Congressional staff, the White House communications director, Dan Pfeiffer, said that President Obama would reiterate his commitment to a comprehensive overhaul of the nation’s health care system in his State of the Union address on Wednesday night.

Mr. Pfeiffer said that the president will share “additional details” but that the thrust of his message would be that he remains as resolute and committed to revamping the health care system as he was when he gave a speech to a joint session of Congress in early September.

Mr. Obama’s speech could not come at a more critical time for the health care legislation, which is effectively stalled in Congress as the White House and legislative leaders try to figure out a way forward.

I’ll post a new thread around 7:30 tonight for those who want to comment live as the speech proceeds.

145 comments Add your comment

NJ

January 27th, 2010
4:31 pm

Well, virtually every poll since the Brown win is showing that the public is not against health reform but rather want something more substantial than the Senate bill that includes some sort of public option, at the national rather than the state level. Polls taken in Browns own state show that 60 percent of the people who actually voted for him oppose the Senate bill because it does not go far enough.

If there are indications that the public is disenchanted with government, they are even more pissed off at big business. There is no differentiation between bankers and health care executives in the minds of those who voted for Brown and they see a health care bill without a public option as another corporate bail out. So far every poll done since the special election indicates the public is rather less than supportive of legislation that is going to provide health reform through the private sector.

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2010
4:31 pm

“I’ll post a new thread around 7:30 tonight for those who want to comment live as the speech proceeds.”

Good Lord…I know where I will not be at 7.30 tonight.

NJ

January 27th, 2010
4:31 pm

This is of course why Congressional Democrats are pushing to revive health reform rather than waiting. They can read the polls.

Proud American

January 27th, 2010
4:37 pm

Everyone needs to concentrate on the economy and helping create jobs. That should be number one ight behind national defense. HEALTH CARE BE DAMNED !

pat

January 27th, 2010
4:40 pm

Which polls the one in make believe land…Post said polls, please. Every other poll wants them to reset and start over.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/26/poll.health.care/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Here I posted an actual poll….

pat

January 27th, 2010
4:43 pm

MAC

January 27th, 2010
4:43 pm

And Obama called Bush stubborn and out of touch with the will of the people…..

pot/kettle/black

Haywood Jablome

January 27th, 2010
4:44 pm

Sorry, but that time conflicts with a Seinfield re-run.

I will be commenting on that.

Matilda

January 27th, 2010
4:45 pm

Proud American, Sooooo, you’re FOR jobs unless they happen to be in the health care industry? I was thinking that increasing the availability of medical facilities and providers in rural areas — where citizens often have to travel 100 miles or more to see a doctor — would be GOOD for the economy in general by creating new jobs in those communities. Further, a community with a hospital or clinic is more likely to attract and retain other types of businesses. Just sayin’.

Paul

January 27th, 2010
4:46 pm

NJ

[[Polls taken in Browns own state show that 60 percent of the people who actually voted for him oppose the Senate bill because it does not go far enough.]]

Source?

joe matarotz

January 27th, 2010
4:49 pm

It’s a game, alright, just like Vegas. The odds favor the House (and Senate) and we are the losers.

Paul

January 27th, 2010
4:51 pm

Good call. Some leadership and throwing down a marker. Question is, will Democrats follow his lead?

pat

January 27th, 2010
4:52 pm

joe matarotz

January 27th, 2010
4:52 pm

Speaking of Vegas, it’s time for a pool.

How many times will “Whack-a-mole” Pelosi leap to her feet tonight? 100? 250? 500? More?

Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Place your bets.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
4:53 pm

“I’ll post a new thread around 7:30 tonight for those who want to comment live as the speech proceeds.”

I’ll probably tune in to hear his cadence and tonal nuances, form, then I’ll read it for substance,

pat

January 27th, 2010
4:54 pm

Wow! another poll against the proposals before congress….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/15/AR2009121503717_2.html?sid=ST2009121504003

I hope your right and they can read the polls…

pat

January 27th, 2010
4:56 pm

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
4:56 pm

joe matarotz

Pelosi? Ain’t she a mess? Had a nightmare of her and Limbaugh on the same stage doing the jump and shout! Swore I’d never eat cold mustard greens before going to sleep again…

Paul

January 27th, 2010
4:56 pm

“Had a nightmare of her and Limbaugh on the same stage doing the jump and shout! ”

I’ve a feeling that’s code for something I really don’t want explained….

pat

January 27th, 2010
4:58 pm

Yeah, 7:30…I’ll probably be hangin’ with Jewcowboy….

pat

January 27th, 2010
5:00 pm

Pelosi, what a tool I heard she’s trying to use the “nuclear option” to ram healthcare through. I’ve seen more inteligent dog crap.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
5:00 pm

PAUL

Should’ve been here last night! Talk about Pelosi and Limbaugh! :-)

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
5:02 pm

pat

“Pelosi, what a tool I heard she’s trying to use the “nuclear option” to ram healthcare through. I’ve seen more inteligent dog crap.”

Might have been hers you saw. She’s got the manners of a yard dog….

md

January 27th, 2010
5:03 pm

Any takers on them having another back room deal to do something about the back room deals.

Sunshine and Thunder

January 27th, 2010
5:04 pm

Reviving healthcare? Does he want to throw some MORE democrats under the bus?

getalife

January 27th, 2010
5:06 pm

He will call for dem unity.

getalife

January 27th, 2010
5:08 pm

He said no shady deals on health care.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
5:11 pm

JAY–
In case you’re about, just read your comment from two floors down. Well said. I’ll avoid the comments since they’ll be pretty predictable, but you got my respect.

pat

January 27th, 2010
5:12 pm

I’d hate to see pelosi and reid getting to work in the backroom….yuck!

md

January 27th, 2010
5:12 pm

“He said no shady deals on health care.”

Does this refer to the first time he said it, the last time he said it or all the other times in between?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

January 27th, 2010
5:16 pm

obozo should be “committed”…………..to an institution.

Pick your poison, pinkos.

@@

January 27th, 2010
5:18 pm

Recommitting himself? It’s back to the lockup for the insane. A habitual offender. Just can’t help himself, can he?

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2010
5:19 pm

Transparent talks on healthcare reform. C-Span should get a ratings jump in the near future. Will any Republicans bother to show up and present their grandiose ideas for all to witness, coast-to-coast. I think they’ll just say no to any offer to put up or shut up. I’m sure they’ll find grounds on which to object and object and object. Any odds on who will bleat out “You Lie” first.

ODD OWL

January 27th, 2010
5:22 pm

We Democrat voters are fed up with the bull chit coming out the Democrat controlled House and Senate concerning passing a strong health care bill. President Obama need to make it crytal clear in his State of the Union speech tonight that he support a strong national health care plan, with a strong public option or by expanding Medicare coverage or both. The President also need to distanced himself from the Democrats in the Congress and castigate them for not delivering the health care bill to his desk to be signed into law before Thanksgiving of last year. The House Dems have been divided and conquered by John Boehner, and pretty boy Eric Kanter. The Dems in the Senate have been brided, bought and paid for by the insurance industry, the drug makers and big oil. We Democrat voters demand that the House and the Senate reconcile the health care bill, add a pubic option and schedule a vote as soon as the Senator-elect from Mass. is sworn in. We Democrat voters demand to know which Democrat voted for the health care plan and which ones voted against it. Believe you me… The ones who vote against the bill will in turn, be voted out of office themselves. You Democrats in the Congress have a choice. You can pass a strong health care plan for We the People or you can continue to perform fellatio on your bribe Mass’rs. We the People demand change !!!

Paul

January 27th, 2010
5:24 pm

Taxpayer

I understand that’s the popular talking point, but it seems with the MA election Democrats have come up with new talking points. Sen Durbin said the old view isn’t quite correct (from the New York Times):

“Mr. McCain was asked what would Republicans do in response.

“We’d be willing to sit down and start over from the beginning with genuine negotiations,” he replied. “There are things we can agree on.”

Mr. McCain’s advice was treated skeptically by Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Democratic whip, who pointed out on the same show that Mr. Obama met with Republicans at the start of his effort to pass a health reform bill “and asked them to be part of it,” and that 170 Republican amendments had been accepted as the legislation proceeded in House and Senate committees.

“So to suggest that we have closed the door to them and haven’t engaged them is really not a proper statement of what has happened,” he said.”

So Republicans had 170 amendments adopted by Democrats. Hardly a party of no ideas.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2010
5:34 pm

If Republicans have all these great ideas, then they best be ready to put them forth and show how they’re going to help we the people. I don’t think the Republicans can handle that little task. They got nothin’ but hot air and it is about time that the Dems put them on the spot. Deliver something more than bumper sticker rhetoric.

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
5:35 pm

josef, by any chance, did your nightmare look a bit like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yarYjuN-m8I

Paul

January 27th, 2010
5:39 pm

Taxpayer

From the same article:

“Mr. McCain, a Republican from Arizona, said on the CBS news program “Face the Nation” that President Obama should sit down with Republican leaders and begin adopting some of their ideas for improving the nation’s health care system such as overhauling medical malpractice lawsuits, allowing residents of one state to buy health insurance from a company in another state, and granting tax credits for people who purchase health insurance on their own.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/health/policy/25healthweb.html

Democrats weren’t all that hot at agreeing amongst themselves. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when they toss Republicans into the mix. I’ve a feeling the moderates’ll be happy and the farleft’ll go ballistic.

@@

January 27th, 2010
5:41 pm

Gallup–”Americans Preference for Next Steps on Healthcare Legislation”

What do you think President Obama and the Democrats in Congress should do now concerning a healthcare reform bill — should they — continue to try and pass the healthcare bill now being worked out by the Democrats in the House and Senate (or) suspend work on the current healthcare bill the House and Senate are working on and consider alternative bills that can receive more Republican support?

39% Continue to try and pass current bill

55% Suspend work on bill and consider alternatives.

md

January 27th, 2010
5:43 pm

I believe the MA, NJ, and VA voters have all indicated how they feel about a lopsided bill, done in backrooms, with favored groups.

Question is did the not far left wing of the dem party hear it.

(Not too concerned about the far left wing of the party, as all they hear is themselves, 100% of the time)

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
5:44 pm

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

NJ, here you go again.

The progressives want massive federal control over health care –

The rest of us want common sense reform that will control costs and level the playing field.

What this administration is proposing will kill jobs and send our deficit through the roof.

A person with any understanding of the Constitution would recognize the dangers of the administration’s push for their form of health care reform.

Southern Comfort

January 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

josef

If I were you, I’d leave the cold collards alone… forever!!!

@@

January 27th, 2010
5:50 pm

The only thing slower than democrats is a snail, and I’m beginning to think a snail may be faster.

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama’s allies in the Senate acknowledge they can’t pass an $83 billion jobs package. Instead, they’re making plans to advance a small, first piece of his jobs agenda next month: a tax credit for new hires.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/27/AR2010012703329.html

Are they hoping the voters won’t notice this was the Republican plan from the start?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

January 27th, 2010
5:53 pm

I must admit, at the one year mark of the obozo presidency, things are not near as bad as I thought they would, well, except for the economy being totally trashed.

But who would have ever thought that the dummycrats would fritter away the year fiddling with some stupid legislation that would lead to the ruination of their entire political party?

You could almost say this has been great.

Almost.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2010
6:01 pm

The CBO evaluated all the best ideas that the Republicans offered up so they should have no problem re-presenting them on camera and discussing them real time. As for the extremities from both parties, let ‘em scream. What we have needed all along is the moderates from both parties coming together. It is time for the Republicans to move past the just say no because that is my best chance at getting back in power strategy.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:02 pm

SoCo–
The other night I asked Unmentionable what was for supper…he told me “Fred Sanford Butter Beans…go see Elizabeth…!”

State of the union…
jus’ sayin’ :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcg1SOad7Z8

Fly-On-The-Wall

January 27th, 2010
6:02 pm

El Jefe,

Can you tell us what the Constitution says about health care reform?

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:04 pm

So we’re gonna go that route, are we Mr. Nix?

Republicans – but with some redeeming humor value…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=944cPciN-kw

Curious Observer

January 27th, 2010
6:05 pm

Where was Obama at the start of the health care deliberations? What did he expect would happen if he merely turned over the matter to Congress, without providing any direction? His is a sheer failure of leadership on the issue. We got a Senate bill without a public option, without even a Medicare buy-in provision, but it had plenty for the insurance industry.

I’m not interested in any health care legislation that doesn’t include a public option. That kind of bill is a guaranteed giveaway to the insurance industry and a shaft job for consumers.

And since Obama shows no signs of providing leadership, I’ll continue to hold to my priority: a defeat of every Blue Dog Democrat up for reelection. If we’re going to have Republicans, we might as well have them under the party name. That way, at least we’ll know the enemies of health care legislation. If Max Baucus, Mary Landreau, and Ben Nelson are Democrats, then I must be Emperor Napoleon.

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
6:06 pm

Fly-On-The-Wall,

Article I Sec. 8 defines the enumerated powers of Congress.

For instance, Congress has the power to regulate the value of our money – not the FED.

FrankLeeDarling

January 27th, 2010
6:06 pm

I want single payer option,anything less is just more of the same

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:15 pm

And I’m right with you FrankLeeDarling.

Single payer is supported by the majority of the American people, physicians and nurses. They like the idea of public funding and private delivery. They like the free choice of doctors and hospitals that many are now denied by the HMOs.

What gives here? The Democrats have the numbers and procedures to pass any kind of health reform, including single payer. President Obama could sign it into law.

But “it’s not practical” because these politicians fear the insurance and pharmaceutical industries-and seek their campaign contributions-more than they fear the American people. It comes down to the corporations, who have no votes, are organized to the teeth and the people are not.

http://singlepayeraction.org/

@@

January 27th, 2010
6:19 pm

Of course Mary Landreau and Ben Nelson are Democrats….they took our money, didn’t they?

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
6:19 pm

AmVet,

I must disagree.

A single payer system could not work in this country.

The free people would not accept it. Like in England it would just create a two tier system, those that can pay will get premium care and the rest would be stuffed into long queues for restricted care.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:21 pm

AmVet==

LAMO! That can’t be topped for just how I feel! :-)

“technicolor pachyderms are really too much for me…!”

Thanks a million, Buddy, Pal, O Friend of mine!

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:23 pm

In 2003, Barack Obama said he was for single payer.

What would it take to get single payer enacted?

“First, we have to take back the White House, the Senate and the House,” Obama said at the time.

Fast forward six years.

The Democrats have taken the White House. The Senate and the House.

And now what’s Obama’s position?

In a speech this week in Chicago before the American Medical Association, Obama made clear he was now opposed to single payer.

And his lieutenants suggested that Obama would support legislation to make sure that single payer does not become a reality in America.

There’s only one explanation for Obama’s flip-flop on single payer.

The health insurance and drug corporations have a hammerlock on Washington.

And Obama is going along to get along.

What’s the net result?

Sixty Americans are dying every day due to lack of health insurance. (Institute of Medicine report.)

Instead of getting behind single payer, Obama and the Democrats are engaged in the what Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief at the highly regarded New England Journal of Medicine calls “the futility of piecemeal tinkering.”

Earlier this week, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated that the most liberal of the Democrats’ tinkering plans would cost $1 trillion over ten years and still leave 37 million Americans uninsured.

Single payer on the other hand would cost less than we are overpaying now — and cover everyone.

Zero uninsured.

As Dr. Angell puts it — single payer is not only the best option.

It’s the only option that will both control costs and cover everyone.

Replace 1,300 insurance industry payers with one payer.

Save $400 billion a year in bloated corporate administrative and executive compensation costs.

Free choice of doctor and hospital.

Use that money to insure everyone.

No bills, no co-pays, no deductibles.

No exclusions for pre-existing conditions — because under single payer, you are insured from the day you are born.

No bankruptcies due to medical bills.

No deaths due to lack of health insurance.

Cheaper. Simpler. More affordable.

Everybody in. Nobody out.

According to recent polls, the majority of Americans, the majority of doctors, the majority of nurses, even the majority of health economists want single payer.

That’s why almost every health care town hall event I hear about is dominated by citizens speaking out for single payer.

Last month, we asked that you help fund a new non-profit organization – Single Payer Action – to focus this citizen energy, break through the corporate logjam in Washington and make single payer a reality.

You came through with flying colors — and blew past our initial fundraising goal.

The foundation was set for action.

Out of the blocks, Single Payer Action led a stand up protest before Senator Max Baucus’ Senate Finance Committee.

Thirteen doctors, nurses, lawyers and other single payer advocates were summarily arrested and charged with “disruption of Congress.”

(Baucus later told single payer advocates that he regretted not inviting them to testify before his committee.)

The arrests of the Baucus 13, their upcoming trial, and other similar single payer actions around the country have galvanized a nationwide movement.

Single Payer Action now wants to supercharge the grassroots movement for single payer.

Confront members of Congress back home all around the country.

And lay the groundwork for a national citizen’s organization that will refuse to compromise with corporate power — inside the beltway and out.

Many progressives are now confused.

They took Obama at his word.

They thought once Obama was elected President, he would do the right thing.

http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1011

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:23 pm

@@

“Of course Mary Landreau and Ben Nelson are Democrats….they took our money, didn’t they?”

Hi, Ho! Hi, Ho! It’s off to work we go!

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:26 pm

BTW who was invited at that Baucus meeting where those people were arrested?

Yesterday morning, eight doctors, lawyers and other activists stood up to Senator Max Baucus.

And the private health insurance industry.

And the corporate liberals in Congress.

The eight activists demanded that single payer – everybody in, nobody out, free choice of doctor and hospital – be put on the table.

And as a result they were arrested.

And charged with a so-called “disruption of Congress.”

The Associated Press, Wall Street Journal, Politico, Democracy Now and National Public Radio all carried stories about the protest.

C-Span carried it live.

And it was widely disseminated on the Internet.

Baucus crafted a hearing to kick off the health care debate in the Senate yesterday where 15 witnesses would be at the table to discuss health care reform.

The insurance industry was at the table.

The Business Roundtable was at the table.

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce was at the table.

Blue Cross Blue Shield was at the table.

The Heritage Foundation was at the table.

And corporate liberals like Andy Stern, Ron Pollack, and AARP were at the table.

But not one person who stood for what the majority of Americans, doctors, nurses, and health economists want – single payer – was at the table.

Not one.

http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=670

@@

January 27th, 2010
6:28 pm

josef:

Looking at Curious Observer’s call to defeat the “Blue Dogs”, I’d say he/she was one of Rahm’s chosen.

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
6:28 pm

Simple health care with lower rates – try http://www.nextcare.com – Hey it is private sector solution

Their ValueCare program offers heavy discounts on routine medical care.

Save up to 50% off most services at NextCare Urgent Care when you purchase a ValueCare medical discount card.

Individuals are increasingly challenged to afford health care and the ValueCare medical discount card is designed to provide affordable health care for acute, non-life-threatening illness and injuries.

You can purchase the ValueCare card for $50/year for the first family member and $15/year for each dependent who has no insurance.

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:30 pm

WASHINGTON, March 31 (Reuters) – More than half of U.S. doctors now favor switching to a national health care plan and fewer than a third oppose the idea, according to a survey published on Monday.

The survey suggests that opinions have changed substantially since the last survey in 2002 and as the country debates serious changes to the health care system.

Of more than 2,000 doctors surveyed, 59 percent said they support legislation to establish a national health insurance program, while 32 percent said they opposed it, researchers reported in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.

The 2002 survey found that 49 percent of physicians supported national health insurance and 40 percent opposed it.

“Many claim to speak for physicians and represent their views. We asked doctors directly and found that, contrary to conventional wisdom, most doctors support national health insurance,” said Dr. Aaron Carroll of the Indiana University School of Medicine, who led the study.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN31432035

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
6:32 pm

A 7:30 thread to comment on a speech that starts at 9:00? We’ll have that puppy three pages in and hopelessly off topic by then. Better to keep us chained up here until about 8:59.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:32 pm

@@

Is that puppet master “Dead! Dead!” Rahm…?

BTW..
Did you get my request for reference on Turkey and Afghanistan? If it’s no trouble…

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:35 pm

RW–
Hey, Turkey, you are here…so? Did you go back and read why the comments last p.m.? Oy, gevalt!

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
6:38 pm

josef,

This blog is impossible to catch up with. Any more specific hints on where I should go have a look?

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
6:38 pm

Universal health insurance now!

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:41 pm

RW–

‘Just scroll back–like so much, it’s far better in reverse! Can’t say too much right now…I think you’ll know why… just say I wasn’t a liberal darling! :-)

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:44 pm

Medical problems contributed to nearly two-thirds (62.1 percent) of all bankruptcies in 2007, according to a study in the August issue of the American Journal of Medicine that will be published online Thursday. The data were collected prior to the current economic downturn and hence likely understate the current burden of financial suffering. Between 2001 and 2007, the proportion of all bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 49.6 percent. The authors’ previous 2001 findings have been widely cited by policy leaders, including President Obama.

Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by medical problems had health insurance. More than three-quarters (77.9 percent) were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness, including 60.3 percent who had private coverage. Most of the medically bankrupt were solidly middle class before financial disaster hit. Two-thirds were homeowners and three-fifths had gone to college. In many cases, high medical bills coincided with a loss of income as illness forced breadwinners to lose time from work. Often illness led to job loss, and with it the loss of health insurance.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/illness-medical-bills-linked-to-nearly-two-thirds-of-bankruptcies/

Southern Comfort

January 27th, 2010
6:46 pm

AmV

One thing that would need to be addressed before enacting a single payer system is Immigration Law. We would need to amend the Constitution to do away with “Jus Soli”. Otherwise, you’d end up with people flooding the system by having their children born here and receiving care. Trust me, it already happens with PeachCare here in GA.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
6:50 pm

Obama Will Reaffirm Strong Commitment To “Comprehensive” Reform, White House Tells Hill Staff

Please. Pass. The. Damn. Bill.

That’s my mantra.

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/obama-will-reaffirm-strong-commitment-to-comprehensive-reform-white-house-tells-hill-staff/

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:50 pm

AmVet @ 6:44–

Thanks for the stats…as things stand now a lot of those “secure” with their private plans are living in a fool’s paradise…

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:54 pm

SoCo–
As we’ve said before, you and I deal with different ends of “the problem.” For me and what I have to deal with on a daily basis, Peach Care is a G-dsend…we can’t punish the children for the sins of the fathers, in my opinion…

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
6:55 pm

Well, please. He either re-commits to HCR or he commits hari-kari.

(Or goes in another direction, akin to “here are my massive balls, and you whiny republicans and DINOs are permitted to suck them”, but I don’t see that happening.)

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
6:57 pm

Oh how I hope the A-man is wrong:

Probably he’ll punch a few hippies, because that’s how all the cool kids in the Village roll.

Drink when he says “Some on the left…”

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
6:58 pm

we can’t punish the children for the sins of the fathers, in my opinion…

Well that’s just crazy talk.

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
6:58 pm

josef,

I think I’ve found it and it is rather interesting to read in reverse.

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
6:58 pm

Illegal immigration is an enormous and massively expensive problem in America. I have a very good friend in Orange County, California and she tells me that one can go to any hospital and you will see them flooded with them.

It is already a fait acompli. Does single payer change this? Likely it has no effect whatsoever.

McCain and by proxy Bush, were skewered alive for proposing a flawed but very reasonable framework towards legal citizenship. The ideologues went b@tsh*t crazy and called it amnesty.

Their “solution”?

Round up tens of millions of men, women and children and violently if necessary (and perhaps preferably) and send them somewhere else.

But maybe I’m mistaken, is there another “conservative” “solution” to this problem I missed?

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
6:59 pm

J-N @ 6.59: it is, how you say, the joke.

Obviously you can’t hold children accountable for their scummy parents. Jeez.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
6:59 pm

SFD

“Well that’s just crazy talk.”

Why?

jconservative

January 27th, 2010
7:00 pm

Alas Babylon………………

This is amazing. You folks keep trashing Reps & Dems, Cons & Libs
with your fire and brimstone rhetoric. But all the while the Republicans & Democrats sit on their hands and cut taxes and increase spending leading to greater & greater deficits and a greater and greater national debt. But I am sure you enjoy the bitching.

But what has it accomplished? Here is what it has accomplished –
national debt Jan 1981 $934 Billion, national debt Jan 2010 $12.3 Trillion. But you guys keep on electing the incumbents. And they keep doing the same old thing. Cut taxes but do not touch spending.

“You take care Virgil. Ya hear?”

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
7:01 pm

RW–
I thought you’d appreciate the humor…but, then, I’m a nazi, doncha know! :-)

Illegal immigration? Ima Gonna has promised to take this one on…Health Care ought to pale in comparison…

jt

January 27th, 2010
7:01 pm

“Many progressives are now confused.”

You’ll not fix that with Obamacare.

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
7:01 pm

Wow, what’s going on with the space-time continuum here on the comments page?

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
7:02 pm

STB–
Thanks for the clarification…afraid I may have come off a bit “tetchy.” I assumed that, but I wanted to make sure so I didn’t say something I’d regret later…

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
7:03 pm

Wall Street Bankers And Investors Fund New Media Platform For Gov. Bob McDonnell’s SOTU Response

I bet Governor Nimrod’s bullsh*t response was written for him days ago. It likely will be more of a right wing propaganda speech than an actual response to the SOTU address. However, it’s gonna be very difficult to be as lousy as Howdy Doody Jindal’s response last year.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/mcdonnell-wallst-sotu/

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
7:03 pm

sfb,

Or should I say Karnak. That was pretty impressive.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
7:05 pm

“Wow, what’s going on with the space-time continuum here on the comments page?”

What was that AmVet posted earlier on “The Time Warp?” It just shows how prescient the blog g-d is!

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
7:06 pm

RW–

See? I told ya, some things DO read better in reverse! :-)

Southern Comfort

January 27th, 2010
7:13 pm

josef

Yep, we’re on opposite sides of the coin on that one, but I understand your point. My goal is to keep those children from being in that position from the beginning. But, as it was explained ^^^ earlier, if we enact a single payer system where all citizens are covered, all it takes is for someone to have a child on US soil. It has nothing to do with the parent’s status. That child is a US citizen. We are one of very few industrialized nations that still employ jus soli with very few exceptions placed on the parents. Without a change in that law, any single payer system could be overburdened by an influx of minor citizens with no parents contributing to the financial part of the system.

The American People

January 27th, 2010
7:14 pm

The address should be given in a room with just Obama, his teleprompter, and a camera man/woman. The constant standing ovations are ridiculous and watching him talk with smirking Nancy Pelosi behind him is disgusting. Thank God my favorite show that happens to come on a 9:00 P.M. on Wednesdays isn’t shown on one of the 11 channels this speech is shown on my favorite channel list alone. I will catch the summary at a later time……………….maybe.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
7:14 pm

Rep. King Offers Conspiracy To Support O’Keefe: ‘Seems Really Convenient That This Would Happen Now’

Sure can get inconvenient when your tools run amuck…

Anyone wanna make any bets someone makes a scene tonight, (a la Wilson…)

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/king-okeefe-conspiracy/

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
7:17 pm

“Obviously you can’t hold children accountable for their scummy parents.”

Yeah, some want them to starve.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2010
7:18 pm

David H. Brooks, the founder and former chief executive of DHB Industries, Inc., and Sandra Hatfield, the former chief operating officer, are accused of falsely inflating the value of the inventory of the company’s top product, the Interceptor vest, to help meet profit margin projections. Brooks also is accused of using the company treasury as his own private bank account, spending $5 million on unauthorized expenditures.

Prosecutors say Brooks splurged on six-figure parties and other extravagances, including a diamond encrusted belt buckle and a Bentley. Brooks also allegedly spent millions of company funds on his horse racing hobby and allowed his daughter to use the company jet to travel to a Halloween party in Wisconsin.

Well, it’s just a good thing it wasn’t anything serious like with that ACORN stuff. Otherwise, there’s just no telling what would happen. Someone might have actually had to go to jail for committing a crime even.

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2010
7:19 pm

Yeah, some want them to starve.

Only if they’re poor.

md

January 27th, 2010
7:19 pm

“we can’t punish the children for the sins of the fathers, in my opinion…”

Problem is, we also do nothing about the parents and allow them to indirectly punish their own children – I’d say we are complicit in the indirect punishment.

md

January 27th, 2010
7:21 pm

Some folks just don’t see the difference in short term “help” and long term “help” – pity.

Clue – the short term variety is actually harmful.

josef nix

January 27th, 2010
7:24 pm

SoCo–
“with no parents contributing to the financial part of the system…”
I will argue with that. Those working on fake SS numbers do contribute and will never collect. Also they pay their 6% at the cash register, and so on…and citizenship to all born on our soil conforms to international law and standard practice…and, as we’ve said before, I am probably more rigid on border control than even you… bring the troops home from Central Asia and post a guard every 15 yards so we CAN deal with the problem as it is…but we won’t get that so long as it’s in our economic interests to keep the flow of cheap labor as is…In the long run, we’re in a chicken and egg conundrum as Unmentionable says, only half in jest, the problem with illegal immigration goes back to 1535 here in the good, ole Us of A…

Sunshine and Thunder

January 27th, 2010
7:26 pm

AMVET,

You are ranting about socialized medicine. Of course you want it. You already have it. Or didn’t you know?

The right is afraid that socialized medical care will be like a socialized economy. Everybody is equally poor. We don’t want everybody to be equally sick.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
7:27 pm

Top DADT Advocate Says Abu Ghraib Abuses Happened Because Women Are Allowed In The Military

I despise homophobes.

I despise homophobes with silver spoons sticking out of their mouths the most.

I despise homophobes with silver spoons sticking out of their mouths who never served in the military the ‘mostest’.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/donnelly-abu-ghraib/