A lot of posturing, little action on deficit challenge

In his State of the Union speech tonight, President Obama is expected to announce an executive order creating a bipartisan commission to recommend solutions to the deficit. As part of that speech, he will probably point out in that in a vote yesterday, the Senate killed a proposal to create such a commission through congressional action.

The vote on that measure was 53-46, which in most sane systems would be a passing vote. Under the Senate’s 60-vote supermajority rule, it was seven votes short. Only 16 of those 53 positive votes came from Republicans, even though the bill was a bipartisan effort cosponsored by Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire. (Both of Georgia’s senators were among those 16 Republican supporters.)

What’s interesting, though, is that six Republicans who a month ago were listed as cosponsors of the bill turned around and voted against it when the time came. A seventh GOP senator, Lisa Murkowski, was also listed as a cosponsor but missed the vote.as Politico reports. (I haven’t been able to determine the names of those six.)

Had those seven Republicans stuck with the bill, it would have had the required 60 votes to pass. President Obama was already on record as supporting it, which combined with the Senate vote might have given it enough momentum to pass the House as well. When the commission issued its recommendations by the end of the year, Congress would have been forced to vote up or down on a deficit-cutting program that both cut spending and raised taxes, which is the only means possible to address that problem.

And that’s exactly why the Republicans backed out. Their bluff got called, and they folded and walked away.

196 comments Add your comment

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
1:50 pm

Yes we will!

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
1:51 pm

You better believe it!

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
1:51 pm

With or without the republicants!

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2010
1:52 pm

hoping for waterloo may be their waterloo.

Ah, political Karma.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
1:52 pm

We’re with you, Mr. President!

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
1:53 pm

Perhaps if there were more spending cuts, pork cuts, welfare cuts, food stamp cuts, EPA cuts, Fed govt department cuts AND some minimal tax cuts the Reps wouldve joined in…

Other than that Im sure the Reps and Dems had good reason to vote as they did.

Then again the Dems, as a majority, needed only one Rep vote for this issue to pass.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
1:54 pm

Lauer Calls Out Cantor’s Claim That The GOP Stood ‘Ready & Willing’ To Work With Obama On The Stimulus

Last month, when asked by the Economist to name a republicant “big idea” for job creation, Cantor couldn’t come up with a single idea.

Of course he couldn’t, because the republicants are bereft of ideas, and their only purpose is to make sure that this country fails.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/cantor-jobs-plan/

Jefferson

January 27th, 2010
1:54 pm

If you want a drink of water, you have to get it from the well.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
1:54 pm

I see the cheerleading squad has taken the field.

“Rah Rah Ree
Kick Obama in the knee

Rah Rah Raz
Kick Obama in the other knee”

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
1:56 pm

“make sure that this country fails.”

Make sure Obama doesnt cause this Country to fail. There…I corrected that for you. No need to thank me.

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2010
1:56 pm

Why would it require a commission to determine that we are spending too much money on all of the wrong things? It is not creating jobs, the economy has not improved much and we are still in the throes of a recession, even after a year of pouring money down a hole in the ground. Sort of like giving Washington DC more money to fix their school system. We don’t need more spending, we need better leadership.

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
1:57 pm

So 22 Democrats voted no and it’s the Republicans fault the bill didn’t pass. Got it.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
1:59 pm

Last month, when asked by the Economist to name a republicant “big idea” for job creation, Cantor couldn’t come up with a single idea.

I wonder if Cantor told the reporter that he would go see if he could find some ideas, and bring them back to him/her.

That’s known as “pulling a Palin.”

Joey

January 27th, 2010
1:59 pm

What about the dozen or so Democrats? Who were they? Did they vote no for the same reason as the Republicans?

wet wiccan

January 27th, 2010
2:01 pm

Wake up and smell the coffee.

The rich get richer . . . the poor get poorer.

Eff it, I’m moving to Canada.

If you had to write the State of the Union Address in 6 words, what would you say?

http://www.thetakeaway.org/blogs/takeaway/2010/jan/25/tell-us-state-union/

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:02 pm

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2010
1:56 pm

Agreed…perhaps Im missing something here butt if ones bank account is Zero and credit card bills remain unpaid with an ever increasing balance why does one need, other than Obama is out of touch, a blue ribbon commission to point out the obvious?

WyldByllHyltnyr

January 27th, 2010
2:03 pm

Reality must be faced, Obama is a dimwitted ideologue who is total bereft of any leadership skills. His is a failed Presidency and he, a mistake the nation wishes it could take back. Thank the good Lord that people of intelect and ideas such as Sarah Palin, Paul Ryan, and Scott “Brownie” Brown stand ready to take the reins of this nation.

Granny Godzilla

January 27th, 2010
2:04 pm

Joey

the dozen or so democrats need to look for another career.

Jefferson

January 27th, 2010
2:06 pm

If I was stupid, I would just blame the president and call him childish names.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:09 pm

Live poor and vote rich.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:09 pm

Let me see if I have this correct.

There are 59 Dems in the Senate so had they voted as a block they would need only 1 REP to push this thing thru…Am I correct on this?

And if not how is this the fault of the Reps. Sounds as if Obama or the Dems didnt court that one needed Rep OR Reid and Pelosi are tossing their boy under the bus…lol it makes for great afternoon soap opera!

BUUUWWWWAAAAAHAhahHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!~

Balance Our Budget

January 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer Jim Abrams, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jan 26, 3:49 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Thinking of counting to a trillion one second per number? Better get started. It will take 31,688 years.

And tack on a few more years if you want to go for 1.35 trillion, the dollar estimate for the federal deficit in the current budget year.

The whole sum could be taken care of if every American, all 300 million of them, forked over $4,500.

Back in 1981, President Ronald Reagan, characterizing the national debt as it approached $1 trillion, commented that “a trillion dollars would be a stack of $1,000 bills 67 miles high.” The debt, the accumulation of annual deficits, now stands at more than $12 trillion

Dusty

January 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

Well, my first post was lost in the mystery mist of mismanagement here. So I’ll say it again.

Doesn’t Obama know that to decrease a deficit YOU STOP SPENDING MONEY?

Somebody please tell him. Quick… before tonight’s speech! He’ll be promising somebody else another trillion or two we don’t have.

Other than that, I suggest Obama raise taxes on all Democrats who voted for him. They are the ones who like to raise taxes. Keep ‘em happy.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:10 pm

Jen you are really out of touch…Pepto Bismal, honey?

wet wiccan

January 27th, 2010
2:11 pm

Sorry, my second example had 8 words. I should have left out “the” and “the”

joan

January 27th, 2010
2:11 pm

I can recommend a solution to the deficit, stop the government spending. Make people work for a living, producing products that sell in international markets. Who needs a commission to figure this stuff out? Obama and ilk have done everything they can to scare the heck out of small businessmen, investors, and any who believe in working for a living. No surprise they aren’t backing the bozo.

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
2:12 pm

If Lisa Murkowski missed the vote and Scott Brown hasn’t been sworn in yet how did they get 99 votes?

TaxPayer

January 27th, 2010
2:12 pm

Jay,

You didn’t really expect the Republicans to do anything other than just say no. Did you. I mean, come on, they’re Republicans. They’re in this for themselves — not we the people.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:15 pm

Pawlenty Falsely Claims ‘Most Credible Economists Say’ Stimulus Is ‘Not Working’

All of the GOP are on this talking point now; that the stimulus hasn’t worked. They’re embarking upon their classic propaganda strategy: repeat the lie often enough and people will believe it.

Sigh.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/pawlenty-economists-stimulus/

RW-(the original)

January 27th, 2010
2:17 pm

retiredds

January 27th, 2010
2:19 pm

A deficit cutting commission should have gotten a 100-0 vote. That is one of, if not THE, most important issues facing ALL Senators and Representatives and the American people. I don’t much care how the bill is written, to vote against it is reprehensible. I am very happy that our two Senators voted in favor (probably will get them roasted by some of their more far right leaning comrades).

NJ

January 27th, 2010
2:20 pm

There are going to be several tens of people on the stage with Obama tonight. All have benefited directly from his stimulus package. Everything from small start up businesses which have created permanent jobs for 50 to 100 employees in green energy companies to an 18 year old student who created a revolutionary method of detecting whether water is safe to drink or not as a high school science project. Basically American ingenuity at work.

The environment in America for such innovation is so great that European companies are coming to the U.S. to buy closed down manufacturing plants and retooling them to make renewable energy products.

Case in point is a Spanish Windmill energy company that is snapping up old steel mills in Pittsburgh and retooling them to make windmills that generate electricity because it is cheaper to do it in the US buying up factories in the rust belt than to open new ones in Europe.:

Wind turbine maker plants firm foot in state

Larry Stupi worked as a banker for 32 years, holding a number of positions, the last one as a commercial lending officer.

Three years ago, the Johnstown, Cambria County, resident, looking for a new challenge, went from making loans to making windmill blades.

“My boss gives me what I need to do for the day, then lets me do it,” said Stupi, 56. “It’s less money than I was making, but also a lot less pressure — it’s super.”

Stupi is one of 300 employees at a windmill blade factory operated in Ebensburg by Spain’s Gamesa SA, one of the world’s five largest windmill turbine makers. Its primary competitors include GE Energy, Denmark’s Vestas, Germany’s Siemens and India’s Suzlon.

Three years ago, Gamesa opened this 142,000-square-foot plant in Cambria County as part of its entry to both Pennsylvania and the United States.

The move gave the company a leg up on competitors in a wind-energy market that experts predicted a decade ago would take off.

President Obama’s backing for alternative energy projects and billions of dollars of incentives in a stimulus package passed by Congress has positioned Gamesa and others to capitalize on expanding demand for electricity generated by the wind.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_628426.html

Republicans blocking the “renewable energy” efforts of Democrats are making a fortune for Europeans.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:23 pm

wet wiccan

January 27th, 2010
2:01 pm

Buh Bye!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 27th, 2010
2:23 pm

Three people created the spending debacle. Three people could undo the damage. But won’t – the crooks want someone from the party of intelligence to blame for the consequences of their waste.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 27th, 2010
2:23 pm

Dear Jenifer @ 2:15, I don’t need “experts” to inform me. The stimulus was a total bust, the greatest waste-binge by wild-spending drones in the history of the world.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:25 pm

Party of NO? NO! Party of NObama? YES!

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:26 pm

Kinda like the Blue-Dogs who would’ve voted NO to OboboCare had the vote came up for the Senate version?

kayaker 71

January 27th, 2010
2:27 pm

Maybe we can send Bozo on another Hawaii vacation and perhaps the Congress will take another break. You know, it’s pathetic when you wish your so called leaders would just do nothing, as opposed to just doing their job. If Bozo and his gang of thieves would just stop chasing their tail and settle into some good leadership decisions, maybe the 52% of the electorate that voted this clown into office would feel a little better about their vote.
He appears to be Obama 1 on the campaign trail, Obama 2 during his first six months and Obama 3 just one year after being sworn in. Who is the guy, anyway?

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:29 pm

NJ,

Welcome, glad you’re here. You always have the facts that are so desperately needed.

NJ

January 27th, 2010
2:29 pm

The worse thing to do in a recession is for the government to “stop spending money”

There are only TWO ways to end a recession. One is to artificially create a huge amount of unemployment. The other is for the government to spend money when no one else is. There are no other methods.

The majority of the world’s economists are praising Obama’s stimulus efforts. The majority of American economists cited it as slowing the recession. Without it, unemployment would be about 30 percent higher than it is today. The range of additional lost jobs is between 1.2 and 3 million MORE unemployed than are currently unemployed.

The entire Republican argument is an attempt to do what any student of logic will tell you is not possible. To PROVE a negative.

Basically the assertion that the recession would not be happening now if NOTHING was done is such an attempt.

The economists, virtually all of them, disagree.

As I said, the Europeans are coming here, buying up American factories and making fortunes exporting what they make here back to Europe. Its only the Republicans who are making it impossible for Americans to do the same.

FrankLeeDarling

January 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

looks like we have a anti business temperance judge in Snellville.

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

Oh brother. Right, blame the republicans.

What about the sham of a spending freeze on non-military programs? Just last month Congress voted in HUGE increases in spending programs. I believe the average was roughly 12-14%, however, the EPA alone got a nice fat 30%+ increase. So one month later Barry is posturing about his tough fiscal policies on spending. What a shell game. Sad thing is that some are so gullible that they’ll believe his rhetoric.

“Please, Br’er Fox, don’t through me in the briar patch” said Br’er Rabbit.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:33 pm

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:29 pm

You are gonna need more than this blog and NJ to save the Coconut!

wet wiccan

January 27th, 2010
2:34 pm

Outhouse – that is only 2 words. Math challenged?

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:34 pm

FrankLeeDarling

January 27th, 2010
2:32 pm

I saw that…wow!

Normal

January 27th, 2010
2:34 pm

Sounds to me like Lucy pulled away the football from Charlie Brown again. Lucy is a good republican…

FrankLeeDarling

January 27th, 2010
2:35 pm

Obama better make it a good one tonight.

Dave R.

January 27th, 2010
2:35 pm

“Congress would have been forced to vote up or down on a deficit-cutting program that both cut spending and raised taxes”

And this is why it didn’t pass the Senate. It was a sucker bet from the beginning. Unfortunately, our two senators in Ga. are too stupid to realize this.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:35 pm

Salt Lake City GOP Cancels Keynote Speech By Inspirational Speaker ACORN Pimp James O’Keefe

Have you all noticed the scant attention this has received in the MSM?

The media doesn’t seem to want to inform the public on the attempted wiretap (felony) in contrast with the wall-to-wall coverage of the ACORN sting by the same criminal.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/salt-lake-gop-okeefe/

jconservative

January 27th, 2010
2:36 pm

“I can recommend a solution to the deficit, stop the government spending.”

OK. I am sure everyone will agree this is the solution. Now where do we cut?

First defense. Pull all troops out of Iraq immediately, 30 days. Savings $250 billion annually. Cut all funding new weapon research,
$150 billion a year.

Second Medicare. Change the eligibility age from 65 to 67.
Savings $150 a year (estimated).

There. That is $550 billion savings immediately. Is there anyone who would not support this 100%? If not, why not.

Dave R.

January 27th, 2010
2:37 pm

Jenifer, you obviously either don’t watch Fox News, or you don’t consider them mainstream. Also covered on MSNBC last night.

Bosch

January 27th, 2010
2:38 pm

jconservative,

I wouldn’t cut new weapon research (and development) – we have to be one up on the evil terrist.

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
2:38 pm

The only thing a commission will do is throw more non-transparency issues into the mess.

This Commission, behind closed doors, would determine what could be cut to solve the deficit problems.

It takes a commission? For starters – The Dept. of Education – Clearly a 10th amendment issue – get rid of it and one of the largest special interest groups.

Merge the Interior Dept and the Department of Energy – a duplication of responsibilities
Ditto for HUD and HHS – a duplication of responsibilities.

And this if from an amateur.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 27th, 2010
2:38 pm

Well, I’m against this commission. The last big budget commission I recall was the one on Social Security and Medicare. They come out with recommendations for all kinds of tax increases that Congress voted in lickety-split. And they all said, “We had to do it because the commission said that’s what we needed to do.”

Well, this time I want people in Congress to have the guts to come up with tax increases on their own. I double-dog dare them, and I don’t want no commission for them to point to. Us people in the Tea Party will be ready to vote them out of office the next election.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good p.m. everybody.

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
2:38 pm

NJ

January 27th, 2010
2:29 pm

“As I said, the Europeans are coming here, buying up American factories and making fortunes exporting what they make here back to Europe. Its only the Republicans who are making it impossible for Americans to do the same.”

So what you’re saying is that American companies should go to other countries, produce products, and export them back to America. DUH!! What do you think American companies are doing?!? Mexico, India, China, etc. etc. And I thought the libs were all against that.

Care to try again?

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:39 pm

Stimulus working, Fed spending freeze…all smoke and mirrors, dog and pony show. The presidential coconut is a one trick pony and unfortunately for the dims his one trick was used to get him elected.

Bosch

January 27th, 2010
2:40 pm

Dang, hit submit button too soon –

jconservative,

But everything else – I’m with you dude.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:41 pm

Fox News Executive Attacks Rival Networks For Focusing Too Much On Haiti

Can Faux News sink any lower? Thousands have died and it is still all about them? Billo didn’t even show the benefit, for God’s sake. Damn… These people are a disgrace.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/27/fox-haiti-shine/

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
2:42 pm

jconservative,

I would not pull any troops out of Iraq or Afghanistan. Bring our troops home from the major bases in Europe and Asia. – or just from the countries that are not friendly.

Just one question, Why would you saddle the military with old weapons systems? We ran into this at the start of WWII, we were so far behind the Germans and Japanese in weapons systems that it costs us too many dead and wounded.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:43 pm

Pull Iraq troops…agreed.
Stop Weapons research…disagree.

Medicare eligibility…66.

For starters – The Dept. of Education – Clearly a 10th amendment issue –
get rid of it and one of the largest special interest groups.
YES.

Merge the Interior Dept and the Department of Energy – a duplication of responsibilities.
YES.

Ditto for HUD and HHS – a duplication of responsibilities.
YES.

Dismantle USAID…let the military handle crisis issues

Merge ATF and DEA

Merge EPA and EPD

Yosarian

January 27th, 2010
2:44 pm

I look forward to hearing the State of our Venezuelean-like Union under progressive-liberal management. Seeing Obama parrot, perfectly, the philosophy of Hugo Chavez is always inspiring.
Don’t miss the U.S. president channeling the spirit of Hugo Chavez tonight!

Mick

January 27th, 2010
2:44 pm

NJ has his facts correct, keep spending to create jobs then tackle the deficit. Jobs, jobs, jobs thats the most pressing issue.

Joey

January 27th, 2010
2:44 pm

I like the headline: “A lot of posturing, little action on deficit challenge.”
That is exactly what I expect we will see tonight, regarding every issue.

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
2:46 pm

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
2:41 pm

No, the disgrace is waiting for a tragedy before one gets involved with those in need. Do I see an A-list of Hollywood “celebrities” and musicians holding telethons to help the illiterate and poor living within 5 miles of where they live? Nah, not enough publicity and TV cameras to make that happen. Helping out a foreign country is fine, and Haiti deserves our support, but I tell you this, you can fly over a lot of mission fields getting to a foreign mission field.

NJ

January 27th, 2010
2:47 pm

When it comes to dealing with facts, Republicans tend to be brain dead. I have heard the same old “tax cut” solutions from them over and over again, though there is not a whit of empirical evidence that they work. There is NO evidence that tax cuts result in significant creation of new businesses and new jobs. None. Republicans repeat this theory and then when it fails, simply state that it did not work THIS TIME BECAUSE….(fill in the blank) But basically even Bush started altering his speeches when talking about tax cuts late in his presidency. He started out with “if you give tax cuts people WILL use the money to create new businesses and jobs” His LAST speech when he gave his last tax cut changes to “They MIGHT use the money to create new jobs and businesses”

The Republicans have built a party that is based on two pillars. One is tax cuts as a form of “Faith Based Economics” the other is Social Conservatism. Any SANE economist will tell you that tax cuts only work in extremely limited conditions. Cutting government spending also only works in certain situations and a recession is not one of them. This is why in spite of FDR’s huge government spending, which did not occur until WWII started, In his last months in office and Truman’s first few years, the the national debt was reduced by 99.5 percent between 1945 and 1948.

In fact one can state with absolute accuracy that all presidents since Truman have REDUCED the national debt except for three. Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush are the only presidents who not only failed to do so, but who massively increased the national debt.

Democrats have often increased the debt at the start of their administrations and eliminated huge amounts of it before the end of their administrations. IN fact all presidents between WWII and Reagan contributed NOTHING to the national debt.

Strangely enough Democrats have managed to INCREASE defense spending and still add NOTHING to the national debt.

Right now, 900,000 dollars of the supposed “Obama deficit” is the result of obligations created by Bush. That is the additional defense spending for Iraq and Afghanistan. If these two wars did not exist, Obama’s deficit would be a little lower than the deficits that Bush ran every year for his entire eight years. Then an additional 200 billion of Obama’s deficit are from the Bush tax cuts. That is Bush borrowed 2.1 trillion dollars over ten years to give tax cuts. Thats a little over 200 billion a year.
So now we have about 1.1 trillion dollars in budget deficits that are Bush legacies. Had Obama voted to cancel the remainder of the Bush tax cuts for 2009 and 2010, that would be 400 billion dollars knocked off the deficit alone. It would NOT effect the middle class at all because their tax cuts stopped in 2005. The small business “accelerated depreciation” ended in 2006. The only people still collecting on the Bush tax cut are the wealthiest two percent.

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
2:47 pm

NJ,

Spending cuts will end a recession – if the government spends less, it has to borrow less, leaving funds available for private and commercial lending. You know – make it easier for business to do business.

Business expands with this lending and hire more workers, reducing unemployment and increasing tax revenues.

If government spends too much (like now) the opposite happens as we have all seen.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:48 pm

Maybe Sean Penn will fly to haiti and become a fatality of the next after-shock. Lettuce hope he isnt too late.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

January 27th, 2010
2:48 pm

Congress would have been forced to vote up or down on a deficit-cutting program that both cut spending and raised taxes, which is the only means possible to address that problem.

Meanwhile, back on Earth, raising taxes in the face of the Great Recession would give us………….the Great Depression, or the Coup de Grace as the socialists call it.

Mick

January 27th, 2010
2:48 pm

**Second Medicare. Change the eligibility age from 65 to 67.
Savings $150 a year (estimated).**

I suggest we lower the age to 60 for medicare, take more out of my paycheck – I’m OK with it.

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
2:50 pm

Mick

January 27th, 2010
2:48 pm

How old are you Mick, 60?

Dusty

January 27th, 2010
2:50 pm

Hi Ragnar,

Love that last line of yours.
“Stimulus was a total bust, the greatest waste-binge by wild spending drones in the history of the world.”

And ….Democrats still haven’t caught on about the “deficit”!! Not a clue!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

January 27th, 2010
2:50 pm

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.

Just sayin….

MAC

January 27th, 2010
2:51 pm

Freeze the spending at pre-Obama levels and the Republicans will come on board.

And for Obama and Congress (and the last year of Bush) to spend like drunken sailors to take advantage of a crisis and then propose a freeze at the inflated levels is disingenuous at best.

MAC

January 27th, 2010
2:52 pm

Also, have a commission on spending cuts ONLY that isn’t a ruse for tax increases under the political cover of a “bi-partisan” commission and the Republicans will come on board.

Mick

January 27th, 2010
2:53 pm

**How old are you Mick, 60?**

No, but I’m getting there.

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2010
2:53 pm

“That’s known as “pulling a Palin.””

Please, whatever benevolent entity is in that great big sky that may exist, do NOT let this enter the lexicon.

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
2:55 pm

NJ

Either you are ignorant or stupid – I hope ignorant

http://www.briefing.com/Investor/Public/Calendars/EconomicReleases/budget.htm

As you will see, in the 2001-2002 resession, government outlays remained steady, while receipts dropped, in 2005, the receipts were greater than the outlays. So much for the Bush recovery – another progressive myth busted.

Mick

January 27th, 2010
2:55 pm

**A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network.**

Absolutely meaningless.

AmVet

January 27th, 2010
2:55 pm

A bipartisan commission to recommend solutions to the deficit?

What next, a commission of hardened criminals to recommend solutions to high prison rates?

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
2:57 pm

Mick

January 27th, 2010
2:55 pm

But 52% for Brown, 48% for Coakley. Meaningful!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

January 27th, 2010
2:57 pm

Dear Dusty, thanks. Long time no chat. My fault, hiding out of state. Keep ‘em straight here.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
2:57 pm

In times of trouble an expense ratio reduction is always the first alternative.

Perhaps a Federal employees salary cut of say 5 to 10% might help.

Dusty

January 27th, 2010
2:57 pm

Windbagger!! aka NJ

Do you realize that it took you six long paragraphs just to say “Bush did it.”

Cut it short, sir/mam. We know you don’t like Bush and you don’t like wealthy people. So sorry you didn’t know how to get rich. Keep trying! But complaining and blaming does not help.

El Jefe

January 27th, 2010
2:57 pm

Micky,

Just how does government spending create private sector jobs?

Yosarian

January 27th, 2010
2:57 pm

Amvet -
LOL !!!!

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
2:59 pm

Has anyone an explanation, official or otherwise, for why the six GOP senators who co-sponsored the bill, changed their stance and voted against it?

(I admit to only skimming the linked politico piece, but I didn’t see anything there.)

Mick

January 27th, 2010
3:00 pm

Godfather, voted 2nd best movie of the century – more meaningful

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
3:00 pm

Have you all noticed the scant attention this has received in the MSM?

Much as it pains me to have to agree with Dave R… it probably received about the attention it deserved–it was a lead story on the Google news page for awhile yesterday; I noticed that it was among the main stories on All Things Considered; presumably the other major TeeVee outlets found it worth at least a mention; but at the end of the day (literally) unless this thing reaches well beyond the four guys who were nailed, it’s probably going to end in a plea deal, no jail time.

It’s a curiosity to most casual political observers; one fallen star, a guy who the right wing probably can’t use as a resource any more.

The problem isn’t that this story isn’t getting enough attention. The problem is that the MSM allowed themselves to be goaded into over-covering that stupid ACORN story after relentless whining from the usual right wing echo chamber. Happens all the time, I expect it will happen again.

Atrios used to say that “Matt Drudge is the MSM’s assignment editor.” Hyperbole, but not that far off, really. It’s due to a lot of things, not the least of which is a very successful campaign by the right to convince people that corporate for-profit media conglomerates are somehow a bunch of bleeding-heart liberals.

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
3:01 pm

MAC

January 27th, 2010
2:51 pm

I saw that also. More of Obama and his stupid parlor games.

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
3:01 pm

Mick

January 27th, 2010
3:00 pm

Godfather just #2? What does your source say is #1?

jconservative

January 27th, 2010
3:02 pm

From the CBO directors report.

“CBO projects, that if current laws and policies remained unchanged, the federal budget would show a deficit of $1.3 trillion for fiscal year 2010. At 9.2 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), that deficit would be slightly smaller than the shortfall of 9.9 percent of GDP ($1.4 trillion) posted in 2009. Last year’s deficit was the largest as a share of GDP since the end of World War II, and the deficit expected for 2010 would be the second largest. Moreover, if legislation is enacted in the next several months that either boosts spending or reduces revenues, the 2010 deficit could equal or exceed last year’s shortfall.”

Bosch

January 27th, 2010
3:02 pm

Mick

January 27th, 2010
3:02 pm

**Just how does government spending create private sector jobs?**

Let’s count the ways:

1. Gov’t builds highways
2. Gov’t hires contractors
3. Contractors need heavy ewquipment
4. Contractors hire labor
5. Contractors buy materials

Get it?

Jimmy Carter

January 27th, 2010
3:03 pm

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
3:04 pm

Har!!

Outhouse GoKart

January 27th, 2010
3:04 pm

#1 was Red Dawn.

stands for decibels

January 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

in 2005, the receipts were greater than the outlays.

Including the Excellent Eye-Rack adventure? You know, the one that was going to be self-financing from oil revenues generated by a grateful liberated nation, after we’d finished spreadin’ Peeance Freeance all around?

Mick

January 27th, 2010
3:05 pm

**Godfather just #2? What does your source say is #1?**

Citizen Kane – never liked it.

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
3:09 pm

“When it comes to dealing with facts, Republicans tend to be brain dead.”

NJ,

Keep those facts coming!

Jenifer

January 27th, 2010
3:12 pm

“**Just how does government spending create private sector jobs?**

Let’s count the ways:

1. Gov’t builds highways
2. Gov’t hires contractors
3. Contractors need heavy ewquipment
4. Contractors hire labor
5. Contractors buy materials

Get it?”

OMG! I can’t believe this question! On second thought, yes I can.

TnGelding

January 27th, 2010
3:13 pm

Not so. Clinton already showed us how to do it. In fact, once Bush’s irresponsible changes expire the Clinton revenue will start to flow and the deficit will quickly narrow. The GOP is just against everything Obama proposes, even if it was their idea originally. We don’t need any more feel good commissions to waste time and accomplish absolutely nothing. Freeze spending and bring the troops home. We can’t afford to prop up other economies at the expense of our own. We restored Germany and Japan, and lifted South Korea. Enough is enough.