McCain draws primary opposition
Former Arizona Congressman J.D. Hayworth says he is planning to run against John McCain for his U.S. Senate seat.
Hayworth, a Republican, told The Associated Press late Friday he stepped down as host of his radio program on KFYI-AM, a conservative radio talk show in Phoenix. Legally, he would not have been able to remain host of the program and be an active candidate.
“We will formally announce at a later time, but we’re moving forward to challenge John McCain,” he said. “I think we all respect John. I think his place in history is secure. But after close to a quarter-century in Washington, it’s time for him to come home.”
He said he wasn’t serious about running against McCain until a recent “outpouring of support” from Arizonans asking him to run changed his mind.
You don’t often see this, a primary challenge to a party’s most recent presidential nominee. I doubt it will come to much, but Hayworth is clearly hoping to ride the coattails of the Tea Party movement and its disdain for alleged “RINOs” such as McCain to victory in Arizona’s GOP primary. You never know, especially in this kind of political environment. Just ask Scott Brown.
I’m running off to the Gold Dome now for an ethics committee meeting. Please behave yourselves, now….
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Kamchak
January 25th, 2010
1:34 pm
Sarah P quits politics to do talk-radio TeeVee. A talk-radio host quits talk-radio to do politics.
Revolving door.
Normal
January 25th, 2010
1:35 pm
I’m running off to the Gold Dome now for an ethics committee meeting. Please behave yourselves, now….
Gold Dome? Ethics? Now there’s an oxymoron if I ever saw one…
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2010
1:37 pm
Which way will the real Tea Party go?
Especially on banking reform…
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
1:39 pm
Ya…send the Maverick back to the AZ glue factory.
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
1:40 pm
Did Cindy endorsing the gay marriage movement cause this?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
January 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
McBushie has reached up his last aisle.
ewwww
LA
January 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
“I’m running off to the Gold Dome now for an ethics committee meeting. Please behave yourselves, now….”
Is the Gold Dome a new strip club?
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
Enter your comments here
LA
January 25th, 2010
1:48 pm
It would be flat out awesome if Mccain ended up losing his seat to a conservative.
George Bush laugh: Heh heh heh
LA
January 25th, 2010
1:52 pm
‘Did Cindy endorsing the gay marriage movement cause this?”
No, this has been building ever since Mccain-Feigold.
Ba Bye Mac!
Mick
January 25th, 2010
1:55 pm
Maybe they will cancel each other out and a democrat or independent will win.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
1:55 pm
And here I thought the Manteats in Black was the heavy hitter with the RNC.
Well unlike every other member of the GOP in the 10st Chairborne at least this guy made it past Webelos. All the way to Eagle Scout.
Just another Abramoff stooge and radio buffoon…
You’re doing a heckuva job connies…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 25th, 2010
1:57 pm
Well, I’m mad. I just read that this Obama is wriggling out of jury duty in Chicago on account of he’s the President. It’s downright Unpatriotic! We all got the right and the duty to drive downtown at the height of rush hour and find some high-priced place to park and then check in and get treated like a bunch of second-graders and get the roll called every couple hours to make sure we don’t sneak out and set around with about 299 other citizens and read magazines all day. And the only people that will ever get put on a jury are the people that are dumber than a bag of hammers and can say they never read or heard nothing about some guy that went around and kilt and raped about 20 people in the state. Yep, it’s the people that can say “Some guy raped and kilt 20 people in this state, and I never heard nothing about it” that will get picked.
Anyhow, I’m glad somebody’s standing up to old man McCain. He ain’t no Republican. He’s a Socialist! He wants to keep corporations from their right to buy a election fair and square, and I never heard him say we should starve out poor people so they can make it on their own and we can get rid of all this guvmint spending. Heck, it wouldn’t suprize me none if he run around in a pair of elephant-size orange shorts in his spare time, like Sister Dusty.
Why, I bet he don’t have a single tea bag hanging from his hat. Some Republican he is!
Have a good p.m. everybody.
LA
January 25th, 2010
1:58 pm
“Maybe they will cancel each other out and a democrat or independent will win.”
Uh……..doubt it.
LA
January 25th, 2010
1:58 pm
“Sarah’s gonna stump for McCain. That’s good, she’s dumb as a stump.”
And she’s laughing all the way to the bank………
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
1:59 pm
Sarah’s gonna stump for McCain. That’s good, she’s dumb as a stump.
Jefferson
January 25th, 2010
1:59 pm
Hayworth is a piece of work, he belongs on am radio.
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
2:04 pm
Tea Party Activists Criticize Financing And Cost Of National Convention: It ‘Smells Scammy’
Looks like the Teaba99ers are eating their young.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/25/tea-party-convention-blowback/
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:06 pm
It amazes me that liberals call Fox a fake news channel but insist on posting garbage from left wing college drop outs who live off their parents money.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:07 pm
I wonder if thinkprogress will go the way of air america?
Kamchak
January 25th, 2010
2:08 pm
Did Cindy endorsing the gay marriage movement cause this?
Probably so since it violates #8 of the Republican Purity Pledge. The chief sponsor being none other than James Bopp Jr.–the man behind the case recently heard by the SC about campaign finance.
mm
January 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
“And she’s laughing all the way to the bank………”
Yeah LA, on the coin of you wingnuts. She’s laughing at you, and we’re laughing at both of you.
And by the way, I hope you’re happy when foreign companies start running political ads. Hopefully against the crazed righties.
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 25th, 2010
2:12 pm
Although I understand why people are upset I just wonder what took them so long? Why did they have to wait for 8 years? The Tea Party people are real and they are pulling votes away from both sides. So what will that for the upcoming elections? If a Tea Party candidate runs will that hurt a Republican or Democrat, assuming that the TP’er is the 3rd choice?
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
2:18 pm
Kamchak, if not so tragically mental that list would actually be pretty damn funny…
At any rate, it is a good primer for those interested in learning Republican doublespeak, fake conservative non values and neo-con ebonics/psycho babble.
Workers rights?
Puhlease…
They hate workers! They want to do everything to ensure Americans cannot organize.
Market based this and market based that?
Double puhlease…
Republispeak for killing off those that Lincoln noted, “It (the money powers) denounces as public enemies all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 25th, 2010
2:19 pm
Darn, fingers are too slow. Should say “So what will that MEAN for the upcoming elections?”
I’m sure most conservatives on this blog feel that the rising tide of TP’ers will carry them into office. But is that person riding the crest a Republican, Libertarian, Other? And other than populist anger what is it that they really think they can do without totally throwing the ecomonics and legal systems into turmoil? Populist anger sounds real good but do they have the smarts to really govern? I know, I know, many of you will say Obama is in this boat now but I believe he has far more intelligence that 99.999% of the TP’ers out there.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:20 pm
The TPers could do the same all over the Country as they did in MA. Push the Rep candidate or, next step, install their own candidate thereby boxing out the Rep then in the general election defeat the Dem.
I prefer the latter to having some of these current republicans like Saxby.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:23 pm
“…neo-con ebonics/psycho babble.”
LOL…thats a new one…LOL!
@@
January 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
Arizona polling would indicate that Hayworth has little chance of winning. Should be interesting though — everything about the 2010 elections will be interesting.
I’m a bit tired of politicians seeing their mistakes (McCain/Feingold) in their rear view mirrors rather than through the windshield where Americans are in front.
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 25th, 2010
2:24 pm
GoKart,
Do you really believe that a TP candidate will appeal to enough voters to win? I know most will point to the Mass. election but can this be carried out across the nation? Can they organize enough to make it happen? Would the RNC step in to try and stop them if the RNC felt threatened?
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:26 pm
“Yeah LA, on the coin of you wingnuts. She’s laughing at you, and we’re laughing at both of you.”
Keep telling yourself that!
Jackie
January 25th, 2010
2:27 pm
SC Lt. Gov Bauer regrets his metaphor referencing poor people to animals. Notice he did not change his thoughts concerning the plight of the poor only the analogy used.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:28 pm
RNC, depends on how good the T candidate is vs how badly the Rep candidate is scorned. Would be great to see the TPers kick a few Reps rear-ends to the curb and kick the Dem challengers butt.
Would the RNC step aside? There in lies the problem. The tps would just have to take out the RNC rep or even some of the DNC reps. Depends again on incumbent and platforms.
Would love to see it happen as RNC and DNC are both crooked as hell. Probably just a pipe-dream.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:29 pm
“Do you really believe that a TP candidate will appeal to enough voters to win?”
Do you realize that the next presidential election isn’t for another 2 1/2 years?
I highly doubt that a tea party candidate will emerge. What it WILL do is force Republicans to nominate a conservative candidate.
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
2:31 pm
Well, I hope Bookman behaves down at the Gold Dome, if they let him in. They are a little strict down there about letting in suspicious characters.
I also hope that RedNeck stops running around with a bag over his head. But maybe it’s better that way. His chewing tobacco isn’t so noticeable.
So Bookman is terribly interested in Republican candidates in Arizona. Yes, a Radio Host running against an experienced Senator and war hero. But, if the TV Host can make a good speech and talk about change, he might win.
We know how Americans can be about such folks, even if a candidate is totally inexperienced in running anything. McCain better line up some teleprompters and good speech writers ’cause that is what it takes nowadays. Support from a crooked governor helps. Also line up any little grandchildren available. Makes touchng photo shots.
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 25th, 2010
2:32 pm
LA,
I wasn’t thinking in terms of 2012, more like 2010.
Normal
January 25th, 2010
2:32 pm
Off topic, but hey, LA does it all the time
Confessions of Rush…
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_dont_even_want_to_be_alive
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
2:33 pm
Chuck Todd: ‘The Tea Party Gets A Big Benefit’ From Fox News’ Promotion.
It’s funny when Fauxsuckers go wandering around in the real world, trying to “share the knowledge” they’ve gained.
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/24/todd-fox-tea/
Fly-On-The-Wall
January 25th, 2010
2:33 pm
LA,
But that begs a different question. Do you not see the TP movement lasting long enough for 2012?
Whacks Eloquent
January 25th, 2010
2:36 pm
Normal, you do realize you posted a link to an article from THE ONION, don’t you? Nobody (sane) believes that stuff, but it is funny at times.
Matti
January 25th, 2010
2:36 pm
I’m surprised he wants to run again. By the way, I was just thinking about John McCain yesterday watching the latest Bin Laden tape on the news.
Didn’t McCain say he knew how to “GET BIN LADEN?” Did I dream that, or did he say it over and over again in 2008? He knows for sure he can do it. He can GET that mommy effer. So um…. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, SENATOR? Did Gates refuse to take the meeting in which you share your special knowledge and save your country from further attacks from this guy?
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
2:39 pm
“Confessions of Rush…
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/i_dont_even_want_to_be_alive”
Good piece; however, as much as I loathe this excuse of a human, I still don’t want him dead. Sadly, I don’t think he could say the same about ones he doesn’t like. And he’s too cowardly to ever consider suicide. He’s too cowardly to do anything he can’t completely control.
It will all eventually catch up to him, and many others.
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
2:41 pm
“Didn’t McCain say he knew how to “GET BIN LADEN?””
Oh yes. But the devout patriot he is, he won’t tell anyone, or go get him himself.
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
2:42 pm
Normal,
Don’t you have some white chili to cook up? Maybe a recipe or two?
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
2:42 pm
Yep, Jackie, the old “poor choice of words” (non)apology.
The anti-Law & Order party is never gonna stop until they have eliminated virtually ALL social welfare. To hell with those parasitic elderly, infirm and children going to bed hungry.
Besides it leaves more for the plutocrats who already own America and are busy looking for Chinese buyers…
getalife had the worst of them pegged a long ago – genetically defective.
They’re missing the compassion gene…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_ERGynR-CM
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:42 pm
“But that begs a different question. Do you not see the TP movement lasting long enough for 2012?”
Yes I do and that’s why I see the GOP steering back towards conservatism. People are sick of moderates. Moderates don’t win the presidency.
IE: Dole and Mccain
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:45 pm
“Off topic, but hey, LA does it all the time
”
I confess that I don’t want to be alive?
It’s a great time to be alive. Obama is tanking. Democrats are jumping ship…………
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:46 pm
“Good piece; however, as much as I loathe this excuse of a human, I still don’t want him dead. Sadly, I don’t think he could say the same about ones he doesn’t like. And he’s too cowardly to ever consider suicide. He’s too cowardly to do anything he can’t completely control.”
Um…………………….suicide IS cowardly.
Good to know that you don’t want him dead. We conservatives can sleep better knowing you care about life.
“It will all eventually catch up to him, and many others.”
That’s what liberals have said the past 20 years.
Yaaaaaaaaawn.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:46 pm
“fake conservative non values”
So…wouldnt that be a “value”?
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
2:48 pm
Jenifer,
Why don’t you go chase BIN LADEN? McCain has already done his time fighting our enemies.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:48 pm
“Oh yes. But the devout patriot he is, he won’t tell anyone, or go get him himself.”
Obama is president. Obama has been in office for over a year now.
Bottom line: Bin Laden is still at large.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:49 pm
“The anti-Law & Order party” LOL!!
Agreed LA…am so enjoying watching Barry and the hope & change express run off the rails. Its simply hilarious!
Normal
January 25th, 2010
2:50 pm
The Onion is the greatest political satire around…That’s why I posted it. I doubt that Rush has the introspection needed to really write that…It’s just plain funny
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:50 pm
“Why don’t you go chase BIN LADEN? McCain has already done his time fighting our enemies.”
Simple answer: She could not pass the ASVAB test.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:52 pm
“The Onion is the greatest political satire around…That’s why I posted it. I doubt that Rush has the introspection needed to really write that…It’s just plain funny”
It is and so is The Daily Show.
“I doubt that Rush has the introspection needed to really write that…It’s just plain funny”"
You do realize that he does his own show without writers, right?
John Stewart can’t do a show without his writers.
LOL
Normal
January 25th, 2010
2:52 pm
LA, don’t want to have to remind you but President Bush was in office eight years and Bin Laden stayed around then too….
Disgusted
January 25th, 2010
2:52 pm
Yes I do and that’s why I see the GOP steering back towards conservatism. People are sick of moderates. Moderates don’t win the presidency.
Yep, what a hit that conservative GOPer will be in the Northeast and the Midwest when he starts talking about eliminating public assistance as a way of controlling poverty, forcing women to have children they don’t want, reducing Social Security and Medicare benefits as a way of reducing the deficit, etc. They’ll flock to the polls to vote for him or her, or maybe they’ll just elect him by acclamation.
Jimmy Carter
January 25th, 2010
2:53 pm
I’ll be curious to see if any democrat has the stones to run against obama in 2012.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:54 pm
“Chuck Todd: ‘The Tea Party Gets A Big Benefit’ From Fox News’ Promotion.
It’s funny when Fauxsuckers go wandering around in the real world, trying to “share the knowledge” they’ve gained.”
Ah yes, Chuck Todd, a man who averages 50,000 viewers on PMSNBC every morning after Morning Joe.
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
2:55 pm
TPers! Is there a sale on Charmin somewhere. McCain is under fire now because he lost the Presidency. He lost his chance to put Palin within reach of the button. He lost his Maverick. Now, he must pay to play. No more free ride. Just sayin’ no is no longer good enough. McCain must prove himself worthy with a pledge. A purity pledge. That’s the ticket.
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
2:55 pm
AmVet,
Is your heart happy over your gifts to the Haitians? Your compassion gene satisfied?
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:56 pm
“Yep, what a hit that conservative GOPer will be in the Northeast ”
Well, the GOP did get some big wins in Mass and NJ.
I bet it really stings to know that the murderer of Mass lost his old seat to a guy who was 20 points behind in the polls a week before last Tuesdays election.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:56 pm
“The anti-Law & Order party is never gonna stop until they have eliminated virtually ALL social welfare. To hell with those parasitic elderly, infirm and children going to bed hungry.
Besides it leaves more for the plutocrats who already own America and are busy looking for Chinese buyers…”
LMAO…keep it coming!!
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:56 pm
“Is your heart happy over your gifts to the Haitians? Your compassion gene satisfied?”
Um Dusty, liberals don’t give their own money to others in need.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
2:57 pm
“Just sayin’ no is no longer good enough. McCain must prove himself worthy with a pledge. A purity pledge. That’s the ticket.”
LMAO. Never was much of a McCain fan. To much of a fence-sitter. Plus his wife is ugly!
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:57 pm
“McCain is under fire now because he lost the Presidency. ”
Now? It’s been well over a year since the last election.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:57 pm
“I’ll be curious to see if any democrat has the stones to run against obama in 2012.”
Her/his name is Hillary.
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
2:58 pm
Taxpayer,
You should pledge not to raise your white flag anymore. McCain has done his duty fighting for this country. Not nice for you to smear those who stood strong when the going was tough.
LA
January 25th, 2010
2:58 pm
“LA, don’t want to have to remind you but President Bush was in office eight years and Bin Laden stayed around then too….”
Normal, don’t want to have to remind you but President Clinton was in office eight years and Bin Laden stayed around then too….
Whacks Eloquent
January 25th, 2010
2:59 pm
Normal,
I really did not find it funny. Nor would I find it funny if it was written from John Edwards’ or Bill Clinton’s point of view. There are people in that much despair, and they need help.
I am a reformed liberal. I used to think government was the answer for everything, that they could ensure fairness. And that’s what I really wanted. So what happened to me? I grew up. I realized that if I wanted change in the world, I need to do it myself. Rather than hoping my government will help the poor and the elderly, I have devoted time and money thru my church to do the same. There are plenty of good non-religious organizations that help too, I don’t knock them. But government charity is a joke. You’re better off literally eating your money.
Mick
January 25th, 2010
2:59 pm
** liberals don’t give their own money to others in need.**
One dimensional pithy tripe.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
What’s funny is AmVet and other “servicemen” make fun of McCain yet constantly tout their military service.
Funny too that these same clowns want respect from others.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:00 pm
“One dimensional pithy tripe.”
Truth hurts don’t it, Mick!
Mick
January 25th, 2010
3:02 pm
Its not the truth, only your verson of some kind of warped non-reality.
dude
January 25th, 2010
3:03 pm
J.D. Hayworth is a certifiable nut…akin to Hannity, Pigboy, and all the other right wing goofballs.
McCain is just a grouchy old man…Who is not much better.
Politics always seems to bring out the douchebags….Looking to make their next million at the expense of the commoner!
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:05 pm
“Politics always seems to bring out the douchebags”
Barry and Joe.
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
3:09 pm
OUTHOUSE Gocart.
Your ID is perfect. How old are you ? You complaining about the elderly who worked hard
and put money in Social Security and you want to call them PARASITES?
I suggest you show your compassion by drawing all your funds from the bank and pass it out to the homeless. There’s a big shelter at Pine Street in downtown Atlanta. Get busy before the parasites and plutocrats take over and socialism goes down the drain.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
3:09 pm
Not bad, not bad at all.
It took an amazing 65 minutes for this to begin. A new world record in self-control, I believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT5NeZnHcqU
Dusty darling, I addressed your “concerns” yesterday. Perhaps you missed my comment vis a vis your overwhelming charity – GFY…(good for you)
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:11 pm
“Politics always seems to bring out the douchebags….Looking to make their next million at the expense of the commoner!”
THAT IS SO TRUE!!!!!!!
Al Gore for instance!
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:12 pm
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
3:09 pm
LOL…notice the quotation marks? Those arent my words they belong to another, however, I find BedWets the sarcasm humorous.
“I suggest you show your compassion by drawing all your funds from the bank and pass it out to the homeless”…well that isnt gonna happen. Perhaps Finn McKoolaid might be able to assist with that project.
*FLUSH*
Kamchak
January 25th, 2010
3:12 pm
AmVet
Your 2:09 link is hilarious. Undoubtedly a learned behavior in the barnyard.
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
3:13 pm
Bill Gates Gets Behind Obama’s Plan To Tax Biggest Banks
This man must be ignored ….Our future must be determined by unwashed, uneducated, racist, hate-mongering teaba99ers!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/25/bill-gates-gets-behind-ob_n_435372.html
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:13 pm
“Its not the truth, only your verson of some kind of warped non-reality.”
Well. at least you admit that you live in a warped non-reality.
Matti
January 25th, 2010
3:14 pm
I’ve always respected McCain for his service. But he DID say during the campaign that he knew how to “get” Bin Laden, and would do so if elected President. He said it over and over. HE KNEW how to get him. “I will get him!” he said. So why did he sit on that info then, and why is he sitting on it still?
Or was he just B.S.-ing us for a vote?
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:14 pm
“Undoubtedly a learned behavior in the barnyard.”
That’s no way to talk about your parents, Kamchak.
dude
January 25th, 2010
3:14 pm
Jenifer,
Why don’t you go chase BIN LADEN? McCain has already done his time fighting our enemies.
And what enemies were those DUSTY…I don’t recall North Vietnam ever attacking the U.S. I don’t recall any demonstrative actions by those of Vietnam that would incur our invasion of their country.
It was a bogus war .. They were not our enemies infact they shoulda, coulda been our allies.
Enemies my ass…We create every mess this country gets into.
A vietnam veteran who long ago tossed his medals into the dump!
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:15 pm
“Or was he just B.S.-ing us for a vote?”
Obama said the same thing.
Crickets…….crickets…………………………….
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
3:15 pm
McCain, like all moderate Republicans up for election/re-election, must go. The Republican Party has re-defined itself and there is no room for moderates in the new GOP. It is the law of the GOP. Further, the Dems do not want them unless they first pledge to support all that they have just said no to for the past year and we know that ain’t gonna happen. So, beware moderate Republicans. Your time in office is about over. It is time for you to be put out to pasture.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:16 pm
“And what enemies were those DUSTY…I don’t recall North Vietnam ever attacking the U.S.”
Yep, but a Democrat got us into that war.
“We create every mess this country gets into.”
So we created 911?
Kamchak
January 25th, 2010
3:16 pm
LA–I hear you knockin’ but you can’t come in.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:17 pm
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
3:13 pm
All you hippies, peace-mongers and peaceniks are making this Country unbearable with all your pot parties and hippie music and free love and peace-mongering and bathing and bra-burning and all the like.
Jenifer
January 25th, 2010
3:17 pm
“Or was he just B.S.-ing us for a vote?”
Yep.
And he wanted dingbat Sarah a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Why does he hate our country?
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:18 pm
TaxPayer
You gals can have Snowe, McCain etc…………
Conservatives are tired of the Arlen Spector’s of the world.
Now behave like a woman and I will treat you like one.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:18 pm
“LA–I hear you knockin’ but you can’t come in.”
Great, I don’t like trailers anyhow.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:19 pm
“So why did he sit on that info then, and why is he sitting on it still?”
McCain said if elected? You guys didnt help get him elected so now he wants to see all of ya dead.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:19 pm
“Why does he hate our country?”
Yep, that’s the same question America is asking Obama right now.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:20 pm
“And he wanted dingbat Sarah a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Why does he hate our country?”
He doesnt. He just hates you!
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
3:21 pm
Now behave like a woman and I will treat you like one
I’m sure you can pick up someone that is willing to fulfill your needs.
Matti
January 25th, 2010
3:22 pm
“You guys didnt help get him elected so now he wants to see all of ya dead.”
Thanks Outhouse. That’s what I thought, but I didn’t want to believe it. Well, at least we know what “country first” really means! (zip, zilch, notta)
dude
January 25th, 2010
3:22 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:16 pm
Peace out DUMBO…I don’t recall mentioning any political party in my post!
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:22 pm
AmVet
I found a video of you attempting to fire a Desert Eagle. Hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAgtUTlnxLw
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:22 pm
Arlen Specter was the attorney for that fat, nasty radical hippie that killed his girlfriend. Wouldnt mind seeing Arlen defeated and tossed into the toilet bowl of society.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:24 pm
“Peace out DUMBO…I don’t recall mentioning any political party in my post!”
Before calling another person DUMBO, you might want to actually read my post.
1: I never called you a democrat.
2: DUMBO is the actual term for Obama’s ears.
Bottom line: Bye bye!
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:25 pm
“I’m sure you can pick up someone that is willing to fulfill your needs.”
Arlen Spector’s words, ma’am. Not mine.
getalife
January 25th, 2010
3:27 pm
JD sounds just like rush when he talks.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:28 pm
“Wouldnt mind seeing Arlen defeated and tossed into the toilet bowl of society.”
Well, from what the Penn polls say, he’s finished.
Bob
January 25th, 2010
3:28 pm
Hey Jennifer, you say Palin is stupid ?
http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/15/the-incredible-incompetence-of
This is stupid !
Jimmy Carter
January 25th, 2010
3:29 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:25 pm
Arlen Spector? Isn’t the that music guy who killed his wife? Oops, sorry, that was Phil. Arlen’s brother perhaps?
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:29 pm
More of barrys failures…
Italy’s Disaster Chief Blasts ‘Pathetic’ U.S. Aid Work in Haiti
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583829,00.html
Perhaps if barry would leave it up to the Armed forces instead of that silly USAID something might get done. Barry is a failure on all fronts.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
3:30 pm
Sorry humper, I don’t engage uber-needy trolls and proven serial liars…
Good luck on covering the over/under though…
For you big-rtime BushCo fans/traitors:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~Theodore Roosevelt
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:31 pm
JC…it was Ira Einhorn…thats the smelly hippie to which I refer. Took a minute to recall his name.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:32 pm
Speaking of failures, John F. Kerry ( who also served with AmVet and Normal in Vietnam) was a bad student at Yale.
My favorite John F. Kerry line: ”I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction,”
Now THAT is dumb.
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
The transcript shows that Kerry’s freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.
Under Yale’s grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry’s four D’s in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.
”I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction,” Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.
Whacks Eloquent
January 25th, 2010
3:32 pm
Bob, LOL, I agree. I have not seen a worse candidate in quite a while, she was a seminar in “how to lose a gimme election!” I still think a competent Democrat could have squeaked out a win there. But she said absolutely the wrong things so many times, she did not have a chance with the independent voters, and I’d guess she was even a hard swallow for die-hard Democrats.
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
3:33 pm
To Jackie (from previous thread discussion) :
Just in case you missed my reply:
1) Sorry dogface but the decision to bottle up the 26th Marines at Khe Sahn (instead of keeping those battalions manuerverable) belongs to your Army General William Westmoreland (surely you have heard of him – our commanding general in Vietnam?). The Marine generals in Vietnam argued strongly against that but lost due to the chain of command.
And as far as Marines not being designed for jungle warfare I guess you never heard of all the island campaigns (i.e., Guadalcanal) in WWII? All of our training in infantry school when I went through was designed for jungle warfare because that’s where we were going. Plus, it can be argued the Army in Vietnam had been generally designed for war in Europe!
Good grief ……… you need some history lessons.
2) My personal experiences on supply problems, what I ate almost everyday, etc., etc. still stand.
3) You would argue with a signpost but that’s o.k. ……….. and kind of funny.
4) Get this. It might help you: http://www.dummies.com/store/product/The-Vietnam-War-For-Dummies.productCd-0764554808.html
Disgusted
January 25th, 2010
3:33 pm
All you hippies, peace-mongers and peaceniks are making this Country unbearable with all your pot parties and hippie music and free love and peace-mongering and bathing and bra-burning and all the like.
Geez! I thought I was gone for only a weekend, but I must have time-traveled through about four decades without realizing it.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:34 pm
“Sorry humper, I don’t engage uber-needy trolls and proven serial liars…”
1: Only liberals, like you, say that I lie. Again, more name calling from a guy who can’t debate.
2: Apart from the name calling, you just did the exact opposite of what you said you don’t do.
Bottom line: ………………………………………empty rhetoric.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:35 pm
John *PUKE* Kerry. Would love to see him tossed aside!
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:35 pm
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. ~Theodore Roosevelt”
Great words from a guy who served as a one-term president.
Jimmy Carter
January 25th, 2010
3:37 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:35 pm
But according to Joe the Biden, paying higher taxes WAS patriotic. Gee, I must have missed that lesson in my “Patriotism 101″ class.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:38 pm
By the way, that John F. Kerry info came from the Boston Globe.
I would have posted the link but I don’t want to have to ration my “copy and paste” due to Bookman’s new blog law about copy and pasting articles.
Funny that he tells me that today yet he hasn’t said it any of the other 20 times that I’ve done that.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
3:38 pm
Disgusted, Mystery Meat is occasionally hysterical, seldom relevant, generally vapid and often insufferable…
And invariably, he laughs at all of my shtick.
For you fascist coddlers:
“We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.” ~Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:38 pm
“Would love to see him tossed aside!”
Well, he was tossed aside in 2004.
Outhouse GoKart
January 25th, 2010
3:43 pm
A nice evening to the great unwashed. You know who you are!
Whacks Eloquent
January 25th, 2010
3:44 pm
AmVet, it is interesting that you post the Teddy Roosevelt quote with respect to Bush, but very few here say there is not valid criticism of W.
What I find more interesting is that if one criticizes the current president (Teddy did not specify!), they are labeled racist and insensitive! Hmmm, I think there is an old Latin term “doublus standardus” that describes this condition.
Normal
January 25th, 2010
3:45 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:38 pm
Teddy served three years of Mckinley’s term and four of his own. He promised not to run for the second term…He wrote later that he regretted that decision…
dude
January 25th, 2010
3:46 pm
1: I never called you a democrat.
2: DUMBO is the actual term for Obama’s ears.
Bottom line: Bye bye!
Well if that were the case Mr. LA then why bring up who started what at all? Hummmmmmm?
As to Obamas ears … What’s that got to do with anything? Hummmmmmmmmmmm?
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:57 pm
“Well if that were the case Mr. LA then why bring up who started what at all? Hummmmmmm? ”
Because a democrat got us into Vietnam.
“As to Obamas ears … What’s that got to do with anything? Hummmmmmmmmmmm?”
Because Obama’s ears are exactly like Dumbo’s ears.
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:58 pm
“Teddy served three years of Mckinley’s term and four of his own. He promised not to run for the second term…He wrote later that he regretted that decision…”
Ok
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:00 pm
Whacks Eloquent
You gotta understand. AmVet is the type of person who forgets to throw the grenade after he pulls the pin.
A Max Cleland if you will.
Whacks Eloquent
January 25th, 2010
4:06 pm
LA,
The libs probably also hate when it is pointed out that Theodore Roosevelt was Republican.
He also hated hyphenated Americanism, and stressed that first and foremost we are American…
he was speaking about Irish, Germans, etc at that time, but there are other groups now that prefer to use the hyphenated name for themselves. Here is Roosevelt’s full quote:
http://saberpoint.blogspot.com/2009/09/teddy-roosevelt-on-hyphenated-americans.html
dude
January 25th, 2010
4:06 pm
OK LA, and on to the $64,000.00 dollar challenge who would have that democrat been?
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
4:11 pm
Isn’t it time for Bookman to leave the Gold Dome and give us a new subject? I hope they didn’t lock him up for Democratic spying. or something.
The air is getting heavy here. Dude even got around to saying in so many words that the USA started every war by messing around.
hmmm The U. K. just called and said “Come on home,. We knew George Washington was just messing around.”.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
4:11 pm
Whacks,” What I find more interesting is that if one criticizes the current president (Teddy did not specify!), they are labeled racist and insensitive!”
Partially correct.
But your racial red herring is off base and of no relevance to me whatsoever.
I have excoriated BHO from before his inauguration and have been exceptionally “insensitive”. He is to me, just another fox guarding we the people’s hen house. A dismal mixture of Ronnie, Bill and George. And I said so before he was even elected.
I give (and expect from my self-proclaimed, albeit juvenile “enemies”, here) no quarter regading matters of the republic and attendant issues such as liberty and justice for all.
If “your” guy (with an R after his name) is in my considered opinion a consummate failure, I will say so. Loudy and often.
If somebody elses guy with a D after his name is likewise, I will do the same.
MOST here will not join me. Because they actually define themselves politically by one of those two letters. (Or the now nearly meaningless terms conservative or liberal.) And I have not for a very long time.
For me, it has zero to do with race. I have written here that I thought the nation would be better served with a “threatening” black man in power, not this milquetoast. I advocate dismantling the current system and ending this tyrannical, corporatist R&D failure.
It has EVERYTHING to do with results.
And it’s been so long since we the people have been represented competently and fairly by these so-called “leaders”, I am shocked at the vigor at which most still shuck and grin in knee-jerk fashion for them.
…
If a troll self-imploded in the forest and there was nobody to hear him, would he still make a sound?
The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding. ~Louis D. Brandeis
jconservative
January 25th, 2010
4:13 pm
If the teabag movement is really anti-incumbent as some of the polls and focus groups indicate, then I would say McCain is in trouble. Whether you like or dislike Hayworth, he can pour out the “right” sounding phrases with the best. And he is an Incumbent.
Only a fool would vote for an incumbent!
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:13 pm
OK LA, and on to the $64,000.00 dollar challenge who would have that democrat been?
JFK
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:15 pm
“But your racial red herring is off base and of no relevance to me whatsoever.”
So, when you call white people “evil” that’s not a racist?
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:16 pm
“the teabag movement”
I believe that is a banned term on this site. Or at least that’s what Jay once said.
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:17 pm
“If somebody elses guy with a D after his name is likewise, I will do the same.”
LOL!!!!! That’s a first!
“MOST here will not join me.”
That’s because most people are sane.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
4:17 pm
Because once, is not enough…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvGZjRIH-NQ
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:19 pm
“A dismal mixture of Ronnie, Bill and George. And I said so before he was even elected.”
And AmVet calls me a liar?
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:20 pm
“Because once, is not enough…”
Can’t wait for Bookman to get back to see that a particular blogger posted animal porn.
tick…tick….tick….
electrician
January 25th, 2010
4:20 pm
just sayin..I scroll past any comment with a link..If you cant make your point on your own, keep it to yourself.
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:21 pm
dude, just for you!
By July 1963, Kennedy faced a crisis in Vietnam: despite increased U.S. support, the South Vietnamese military was only marginally effective against pro-Communist Viet Minh and Viet Cong forces. Regarding Ngo Dinh Diem, the Roman Catholic President of South Vietnam, as insufficiently anti-Communist, the U.S. gave secret assurances of non-interference for an impending coup d’état.[37] On November 1, 1963, South Vietnamese generals overthrew the Diem government, arresting and soon killing Diem (though the circumstances of his death were obfuscated).[38] Kennedy sanctioned Diem’s overthrow.[39] One reason to support the coup was a fear that Diem might negotiate a neutralist coalition government which included Communists, as had occurred in Laos in 1962. Dean Rusk, Secretary of State, remarked “This kind of neutralism…is tantamount to surrender.”
Kennedy increased the number of U.S. military in Vietnam from 800 to 16,300. It remains a point of some controversy among historians whether or not Vietnam would have escalated to the point it did had Kennedy served out his full term and been re-elected in 1964.
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:22 pm
Whacks Eloquent
To AmVet, TR was just an evil white racist…..
Number1ninja
January 25th, 2010
4:23 pm
AmVet at usual stated it better than I, but when the first democrat in recent memory to out-prostitute a republican RE: corporate cash is labeled a socialist, the accusers’ racism becomes the only sensible conclusion.
electrician
January 25th, 2010
4:25 pm
also ..most everybody on the daily kos has the habit of ending thier post with a quote from someone else, like that adds some magical credibility.
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:27 pm
Normal–just now checking in. St. Elsewhere…
electrician–
Links? Depends on the poster. But I make it a point to check out the youtube ones…there’s some good wits hereabouts…
Jay’s at an ethics meeting under the Gold Dome…isn’t that a non-sequiture? Talk about wh*res discussing chastity!
The thread topic? And…?
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:32 pm
Beth Robertson…
Are you hereabouts?
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:33 pm
LA
Ole Teddy didn’t care much for the Nobel Savage, that’s for sure…
Kamchak
January 25th, 2010
4:35 pm
The thread topic? And…?
I think Jay made his point with–You don’t often see this, a primary challenge to a party’s most recent presidential nominee.
How many times has this happened? Has a presidential nominee ever been defeated in a primary challenge.No snark intended
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
4:35 pm
NumerIninja, note that nobody comments nor disagrees. At least the cogent…
josef, welcome.
Another day in paradise, no?
Except my leg is getting sticky…
Ew.
Jackie
January 25th, 2010
4:36 pm
@Police Line
To Jackie (from previous thread discussion) :
Just in case you missed my reply:
1) Sorry dogface but the decision to bottle up the 26th Marines at Khe Sahn (instead of keeping those battalions manuerverable) belongs to your Army General William Westmoreland (surely you have heard of him – our commanding general in Vietnam?). The Marine generals in Vietnam argued strongly against that but lost due to the chain of command.
Regardless of who made the decision, the Marines were at Khe Sahn with their hips in a sling. And as far as being manuverable, how would you manuver, in an noisey APC in the jungles and mountains that the I-Corp presented. Is that why they moved the Marines back to Da Nang area.
And as far as Marines not being designed for jungle warfare I guess you never heard of all the island campaigns (i.e., Guadalcanal) in WWII? All of our training in infantry school when I went through was designed for jungle warfare because that’s where we were going. Plus, it can be argued the Army in Vietnam had been generally designed for war in Europe!
Again, you are referencing WWII tactics. The military knew they could not continue with battle lines and tactical movements of entire divisions blocking advances and retreats of enemy soldiers, that is why they devised the Airmobile concept, hence the birth of the 1st Cavalry Division.
My Marine friends, who were lifers, tell me differently.
Good grief ……… you need some history lessons.
As for history lessons, I think your reading should be more comprehensive.
2) My personal experiences on supply problems, what I ate almost everyday, etc., etc. still stand.
If you ate C-rats everyday and did not have a hot meal along with being in water and mud everyday, then you were either abused or you are not telling the truth. Did you ever rotate back to base camp? Did you ever make it back to Hue, Phu Bai, Da Nang? Your story just does not make any sense and you seem to think that everyone needs to believe that you were Superman!
3) You would argue with a signpost but that’s o.k. ……….. and kind of funny.
Signpost? It has nothing on it that is factual. Your GPS is malfunctioning and you still want everyone to believe that North is South.
4) Get this. It might help you: http://www.dummies.com/store/product/The-Vietnam-War-For-Dummies.productCd-0764554808.html
Why would I need this book when I was there. Maybe this is where you got your information.
When you get the chance, talk with Ridgerunner about his experience in the ‘Nam and how the 1st Cav. handled his situation. It appears your experience and his are vastly different. Along with that, he was 3rd Marines. Betcha’ it would be interest to hear him take your crap off the wall and kick it to the curb.
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LA
January 25th, 2010
4:38 pm
“Except my leg is getting sticky…
Ew.”
tick…..tick……tick
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:40 pm
** liberals don’t give their own money to others in need.**
Wanna review this households books?
AmVet–
Ain’t it just! Spent way too much of my day tusslin’ with the bureaucrats…ready and rarin’ to go
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
“Ole Teddy didn’t care much for the Nobel Savage, that’s for sure…”
Well, he chased off the Spanish. Guess he didn’t need his lawn mowed…..
(that was a joke libs)
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
“Wanna review this households books?”
Sure, post all of your charitable gift info on this blog.
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
4:43 pm
Well, he chased off the Spanish. Guess he didn’t need his lawn mowed…..
Racists like to make fun of other races.
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:44 pm
LA–
The charitable donations are not food for this blog…but they’re five figure and are mostly to American Indian and Jewish things–specifically education…
Mowing the yard! Thass a good one!
Normal
January 25th, 2010
4:45 pm
Josef, gotcha
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
4:47 pm
josef,
You are late to the circus. McCain has already been tortured again and thrown to the dogs here.. I wonder if Americans are the only ones who love to demean a man who has fought bravely for his country and then governed fairly afterwards.
Some here really hate a good record.. Preferential politics at its worst. Oh well, ” Ours is not to question why. Ours is but to …”(demean & defy??).
Sorry ELECTRICIAN, but I had to use that last partial quote………
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:48 pm
“Racists like to make fun of other races.”
LOL! Again, another lib proves another point.
TaxPayer, that was A JOKE!
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:49 pm
Dusty–
Well, John McCain’s record on Indian things is second-to-none and his wife and daughter are taking a strong stand in favor of me and Unmentionable…’Sides that, he’s got roots in my home turf…
Jackie
January 25th, 2010
4:49 pm
@Police Line
By the way, you indicated the 1st Cav was known by the call sign “Gerry Owen.”
For your information, the Division is known as “The First Team.” Gerry Owen was a call sign for any unit in-country that was in severe trouble and needed immediate help. The 1st Cav was assigned this moniker because it was our duty to respond TO ANY situation when this call was sent over the radio.
From this, I would conclude that you do not quite understand what the distress signal was used for in Viet Nam and why it was used.
Where did you take your basic training?
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:50 pm
“The charitable donations are not food for this blog…but they’re five figure and are mostly to American Indian and Jewish things–specifically education…”
As far as American Indians are concerned, I didn’t know that spending money in casinos counted as charitable gifts.
“Jewish things–specifically education”
Uh oh, well, I’ll give you fair warning that many libs hate everything Jewish. IE: Israel.
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:51 pm
Jackie
Are you a history teacher? History major perhaps?
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
4:51 pm
Jackie, FWIW (And gawd knows it ain’t much!), I and I presume MANY others here, find little more repulsive that those who are so obsessed with another’s military service that they slander, insult and impugn it at will.
This is of course a very prevalent, long standing and widely known defect among several of the far right wingers on this blog. The record of such liars proves this over and over and over.
And though most of course, are just bitter and envious little boys, I was dismayed to see Del do so earlier.
But then look at who they learned this technique from – their Swiftboating and Rovian “leaders”.
I guess the only thing that is consistent among the Republicraven is that this disgusting characteristic is not reserved just for Democrats such as Max Cleland – they did and do the same thing to Chuck Hagel and John McClain.
They just seem to hate any and all active duty veterans, ESPECIALLY combat veterans.
Support the Troops.
Time for them to become a…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHerQxG63Bw
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:57 pm
“they did and do the same thing to Chuck Hagel and John McClain.”
John McClain was great in Die Hard!
By the way, I only point out the hypocrisy in certain bloggers who pretend to be a “real american hero” all while calling others, trolls, reicht wingers etc……..
“They just seem to hate any and all active duty veterans, ESPECIALLY combat veterans.”
What a sad sad individual you are.
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
4:58 pm
LA–
I steer real clear of the casinos, gambling is la malaise juive, ya’ know…now Unmentionable likes to go “Buffalo Hunting from time to time…” He likes the golf course at Dancing Rabbit Creek…
So called liberals and Jews..got a lot to say there, but I’m not out to go poking the Bruin today and, well, we do have some liberal anti-semites hanging around…we’ll go into that at a later date…
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
4:58 pm
Jackie:
1) Marines in Nam didn’t have APC’s (we had a few tanks and Amtracs and our trucks but those stayed near the coast).
Our helos. (usually SeaKnights) dropped us off and we “walked” ………… sometimes we were out for weeks. Re-supply was kept to a minimum so as not to give away positions but alas you had to do it by helo.
2) You still try to put words in my mouth (no pun intended). One more time – now pay attention ……… Marine grunts in Northern I Corps (DMZ area) probably ate C-Rations every day for 80-90% of their time in Nam ……… even at the forward fire bases like Con Thien. You couldn’t congregate together in a “mess tent” as in that area you were always within artillery range from North Vietnam or their side of the DMZ (not to mention rockets or mortars).
And of course it didn’t rain everyday and the dry season in I Corps was the opposite of that in the south.
3) I got my standard 3 day R&R (China Beach) and one 5 day out of country R&R (Okinawa). That was it. Other than that I was either on operations in the field or providing security/patrols at a forward fire base (eating C-Rations pal !)
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:01 pm
josef nix
I was just kidding with the casino remark.
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
5:01 pm
P.S. I said Gerry Owen just to be nice. I don’t know all of your Army lingo anymore than you know ours. What I do know is that a helicopter is a means of transportation (same as a truck, parachute or landing craft). It’s what you do when your feet hit the ground that counts.
San Diego (in our parlance that makes me a “Hollywood Marine”).
Salt & Light
January 25th, 2010
5:04 pm
Headline: “Obama Uses Teleprompters During Speech at Elementary School” Good grief !
Headline: “Scientist: Search for aliens should start on Earth” I know where they can find one who migrated from Kenya.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:08 pm
Best. Poll. Ever…
CNN Poll: Most Americans applaud Democrats’ loss of supermajority
Americans are divided on whether Democratic control of Congress is good for the country, according to a new national poll.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday also indicates that 7 in 10 Americans believe that the Democrats’ loss of their 60 seat supermajority in the Senate is a positive move for the country.
Forty-five percent of people questioned in the poll said Democratic control of Congress is a good thing, with 48 percent disagreeing. The margin is within the survey’s sampling error. But the results are a shift from last June, when 50 percent felt that Democratic control of both chambers of Congress was good and 41 percent felt it was bad for the country.
Pogo
January 25th, 2010
5:09 pm
Amvet should be more aptly named “Don Quixote”. It must be safe and warm there straddling the political fence with only extravagant and overused words as evidence of your crusade against all that, at least in your eyes, is unholy. If you are progressive, which I suspect that you are, then come out and say it. Liberate yourself man(then again,I think you are already plenty liberal, you just won’t admit it)! Your writings reek of the tired old “We got to get THE MAN” mindset. I always wondered exactly who the man was. Far as I can tell “THE MAN” employs most of us (though I wouldn’t expect that to gain any sympathy from the leaches in our society who exist off of the goverment) so we can pay taxes to pay for all the government’s spending. Yea, “The Man” is the bad guy. It’s just that black and white, isn’t it?
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
5:09 pm
LA
Not to worry! I took it as such…and before anybody comes along accusing you of being a racist for it, Unmentionable says he wishes he COULD write off his casino losses as a contribution! Actually, though, he does pretty well there…he allots a certain amount to play with and, once it’s spent, he tallies and goes to play golf…I don’t have that control…
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
5:11 pm
Almost as prescient as Lincoln, all the following are from Theodore Roosevelt…
“A good many of you are probably acquainted with the old proverb, “Speak softly and carry a big stick — you will go far.” If a man continually blusters, if he lacks civility, a big stick will not save him from trouble, and neither will speaking softly avail, if back of the softness there does not lie strength, power.”
The true friend of property, the true conservative, is he who insists that property shall be the servant and not the master of the commonwealth; who insists that the creature of man’s making shall be the servant not the master of the man who made it. The citizens of the United States must effectively control the mighty commercial forces which they themselves have called into being.
It is essential that there should be organizations of labor. This is an era of organization. Capital organizes and therefore labor must organize.
There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put and end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done.
A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy.
No man can be a good citizen unless he has a wage more than sufficient to cover the bare cost of living, and hours of labor short enough so that after his day’s work is done he will have time and energy to bear his share in the management of the community. We keep countless men from being good citizens by the conditions of life by which we surround them.
Dusty
January 25th, 2010
5:12 pm
Well, josef,
I’m glad McCain supports many good things. American Indians have brought me many happy summers. They hold a special “place” for me.
But I ’specially admire McCain for the service he has given to this country. That demands respect as far as I am concerned. But, we dismiss anything when it comes to political posturing.
Now, I shall throw on my orange shorts and dance into the kitchen. Feed the hungry! I shall cook it, burn it, and serve it.. Bon appetit or something…
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:14 pm
“A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy.”
We’re not a democracy. The problem is people like AmVet who pretend to know our nations history.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:15 pm
“There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put and end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done.”
AmVet, like every other democrat, doesn’t realize that the majority of Americans work for a company.
@@
January 25th, 2010
5:15 pm
Berry: Obama said “big difference” between ‘10 and ‘94 is “me”
Berry recounted meetings with White House officials, reminiscent of some during the Clinton days, where he and others urged them not to force Blue Dogs “off into that swamp” of supporting bills that would be unpopular with voters back home.
“I’ve been doing that with this White House, and they just don’t seem to give it any credibility at all,” Berry said. “They just kept telling us how good it was going to be. The president himself, when that was brought up in one group, said, ‘Well, the big difference here and in ’94 was you’ve got me.’ We’re going to see how much difference that makes now.”
Obama’s problem is he believes his own hype. He holds the intelligence of American voters in such low regard that he thinks they’ll believe it too. I mean, they did it once…why not again? Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice? Ain’t ah gonna happen.
Normal
January 25th, 2010
5:17 pm
LA
“A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy.”
He was quoting Teddy…Got history?
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:17 pm
Theodore Roosevelt was a man born into money. Much like Al Gore and JFK.
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
5:17 pm
Pogo
Have you read Don Quijote? I’d say AmVet is a pretty good one..
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:18 pm
“He was quoting Teddy…Got history?”
Ya think?
Normal
January 25th, 2010
5:19 pm
“There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put and end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done.”
Still quoting Teddy…
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
5:19 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:48 pm
“Racists like to make fun of other races.”
LOL! Again, another lib proves another point.
TaxPayer, that was A JOKE!
If I had said the same thing, I would have been labeled a racist by some here no matter what explanation I offered. Besides, I’m not a lib or liberal or whatever. Anyway, like I said, racists do like to make fun of other races. Wouldn’t you agree with that statement.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:20 pm
“Still quoting Teddy…”
No kidding, and AmVet thinks that what TR says is gospel.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:21 pm
“If I had said the same thing, I would have been labeled a racist by some here no matter what explanation I offered.”
Considering that you were the only one to post a remark about racism…………….
“Anyway, like I said, racists do like to make fun of other races. ”
Yes, AmVet does that on an almost daily basis.
Normal
January 25th, 2010
5:21 pm
LA,
While I will agree with Josef, that TR was not Fierce Advocate for the Native Americans. you could do well to study TR. He did some great things and I would vote for a Republican like him.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
5:22 pm
“If you are progressive, which I suspect that you are, then come out and say it.” ~The non-comic (which is no compliment) Pogo
“A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy.” ~Theodore Roosevelt.
Jesus, man you really are clueless. I have indicted numerous others here as not just non-progressives, or anti-progressives but actually “regressives”. So what do think that makes me?
So go back to your beloved McCarthyism and Jim Crow, but you won’t find me there…
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
5:24 pm
McCain promised that he would chase bin Laden to the gates of hell IF he were elected. He said he knew how to get bin Laden. Since McCain was not elected, he obviously felt no obligation to his country and to those that lost their lives due to the efforts of bin Laden. For that alone, I will never respect McCain. Such actions are inexcusable no matter how desperate one is to win the White House. Which leads to SayRah. His second most inexcusable act.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:25 pm
“He did some great things and I would vote for a Republican like him.”
Read Theodore Rex. Good read but he was not that great of a president. And considering that you only vote democrat, I’ll take your remarks with a grain of salt.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
5:26 pm
josef, Normal and others, obsessed doesn’t even begin to describe him.
Wouldn’t you agree?
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:27 pm
“Jesus, man you really are clueless. I have indicted numerous others here as not just non-progressives, or anti-progressives but actually “regressives”. So what do think that makes me?”
That makes you an angry liberal who hates white people.
Proof that you think all white people are evil: So go back to your beloved McCarthyism and Jim Crow, but you won’t find me there…
1: You make baseless accusations against other people all while spewing hate.
2: To me, you’re just another angry liberal who blames white people for everything.
Again, throwing out crap like “jim crow” to someone paint me as a racist is pretty retarded considering you constantly rail on white people.
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
5:28 pm
“I suppose I should be ashamed to say that I take the Western view of the Indian. I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian. Turn three hundred low families of New York into New Jersey, support them for fifty years in vicious idleness, and you will have some idea of what the Indians are. Reckless, revengeful, fiendishly cruel, they rob and murder…”
–T. Roosevelt
Normal
January 25th, 2010
5:29 pm
LA,
You are a hoot. How in the blue blazes to you presume to know how I vote? Yes sir you are certainly the whole nine yards…
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:29 pm
“obsessed doesn’t even begin to describe him.”
Nope, I like to call you out for what you.
eagle scout
January 25th, 2010
5:30 pm
I see Jackie and Police Line Do Not Cross are still going at it over who served, and where. Guys this ended 40 some years ago.
Y’all hanging out at the Legion or the VFW fighting this GD war again?
Jackie as a member of FIRST TEAM based out of An Khe 1965-1966 Air Mobile 229th Air Assault I’m with you all the way brother….. Although I was not a grunt I shared some of the c-rats, and warm beer with the best of them………..
I wore that horse patch on my flight jacket proudly. And still have a decal on my bumper.
But,
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
5:30 pm
“Big business is not dangerous because it is big, but because its bigness is an unwholesome inflation created by privileges and exemptions which it ought not to enjoy.” ~Woodrow Wilson
“Don’t blame Bush, nobody saw this coming.” ~Dick Cheney
Tick, tick, tick… ~Kamchak
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
5:31 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
4:41 pm
“Ole Teddy didn’t care much for the Nobel Savage, that’s for sure…”
Well, he chased off the Spanish. Guess he didn’t need his lawn mowed…..
(that was a joke libs)
There’s nothing racist in that comment at least according to the one that even felt it necessary to add the little line about it being a joke. Like I said, racists do like to joke about other races. Wouldn’t you agree, LA.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:31 pm
“You are a hoot. How in the blue blazes to you presume to know how I vote? Yes sir you are certainly the whole nine yards…”
1: Because of you’ve told me to calm down in my criticism of Obama and democrats.
2: You’ve sided with almost every democrat position. IE: health care, wars etc…
Del
January 25th, 2010
5:32 pm
“Regardless of who made the decision, the Marines were at Khe Sahn with their hips in a sling. And as far as being manuverable, how would you manuver, in an noisey APC in the jungles and mountains that the I-Corp presented. Is that why they moved the Marines back to Da Nang area.”
Marine Corps first of all had to retake a little town from the NVA called Hue
“Again, you are referencing WWII tactics. The military knew they could not continue with battle lines and tactical movements of entire divisions blocking advances and retreats of enemy soldiers, that is why they devised the Airmobile concept, hence the birth of the 1st Cavalry Division.”
The Marine Corps was pioneering Chopper enabled vertical envelopments back in the early 60’s and that was one of the assault tactics off of LPH’s during operation Starlight August 1965 against the First Viet Cong regiment and before the First Air Cav. deployed to Vietnam.
Anyone claiming to be a Vet attacking another branch of the service and a veteran from that branch who is clearly ignorant of facts is bogus and not even and not even worthy of this post. I’m out
Del
USMC 0311 infantry 61-67, 3rd, Recon 65 and 66-67
Jackie
January 25th, 2010
5:32 pm
@Police Line
Jackie:
1) Marines in Nam didn’t have APC’s (we had a few tanks and Amtracs and our trucks but those stayed near the coast).
Our helos. (usually SeaKnights) dropped us off and we “walked” ………… sometimes we were out for weeks. Re-supply was kept to a minimum so as not to give away positions but alas you had to do it by helo.
So the tactics used by the Marines consisted of stealth and squad maneuvers? You did not want the Viet Cong or NVA to know where you were in the Tri-border area? Question is, who were the Viet Cong and where the heck did they live? When your SeaKnights dropped you off, do you believe they were of the stealth variety?
2) You still try to put words in my mouth (no pun intended). One more time – now pay attention ……… Marine grunts in Northern I Corps (DMZ area) probably ate C-Rations every day for 80-90% of their time in Nam ……… even at the forward fire bases like Con Thien. You couldn’t congregate together in a “mess tent” as in that area you were always within artillery range from North Vietnam or their side of the DMZ (not to mention rockets or mortars).
Did your units work in a wagon-wheel concepts around the firebases? When you were in Con Thien, did you have support from other American units in the area? Was Con Thien, essentially the beginning of the Ho Chi Minh trail in South Viet Nam? If you received fire from the across the border, was there someone to return fire? If so, how would they know where your unit was? If no one knew where you were, how did you avoid the “archlights?”
And of course it didn’t rain everyday and the dry season in I Corps was the opposite of that in the south.
Of course it did not rain everyday.
3) I got my standard 3 day R&R (China Beach) and one 5 day out of country R&R (Okinawa). That was it. Other than that I was either on operations in the field or providing security/patrols at a forward fire base (eating C-Rations pal !)
We all got a supply of C-rats. Does not mean that we had to eat them if we were fed otherwise.
The 1st Cav had operational control of that area until November of 1968 and it was Division policy that all the units in the field got at least one hot meal daily unless there was a situation that dictated otherwise.
Like I said previously, my wife’s brother was a 3rd Marine and his high school friend. The brother was a KIA. They had a high school friend that was with the 1st Cav, 13th Signal who was in the always in and out of the area. We have spoke about our experiences and he never indicated a problem with food and water. I had a high school friend that was 1/7th Cav. He never mentioned an problem with food or water.
I can say, the water was bad and tasted like Clorox, but, the Army insisted it was safe and potable.
The food was wretched, but was standard military fare, lots of proteins.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:32 pm
“josef, Normal and others”
What “others?”
There is only one person who takes your side. Normal.
AmVet
January 25th, 2010
5:33 pm
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” ~Dwight Eisenhower
“Don’t blame Bush, nobody saw this coming.” ~Dick Cheney
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:34 pm
“There’s nothing racist in that comment at least according to the one that even felt it necessary to add the little line about it being a joke.”
Sooooooo, if we’re going there then you would have to label Obama and Reid as racists.
“Like I said, racists do like to joke about other races.”
You should direct that thought at AmVet.
LA
January 25th, 2010
5:36 pm
For anyone who wants to argue the failed stimulus package.
CNN poll
Have you benefited from the economic stimulus?
No 73% 118466
Not sure 15% 23888
Yes 13% 20916
josef nix
January 25th, 2010
5:36 pm
Normal–
Just playing Devil’s Advocate here, but Hitler came up with the Volkswagen and gave us the autobahn…
going upstairs…
Hard Right Hook
January 25th, 2010
5:37 pm
LA
January 25th, 2010
3:16 pm
“And what enemies were those DUSTY…I don’t recall North Vietnam ever attacking the U.S.”
Yep, but a Democrat got us into that war.
Yup. Actually, it was two Democrats that got the US into that was. JFK and LBJ.
Scooter
January 25th, 2010
5:37 pm
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2010
5:24 pm
For that alone, I will never respect you !
TnGelding
January 25th, 2010
5:37 pm
Hayworth was just ousted himself, but he has a shot. McCain needs to retire and stop triple-dipping (Senate, military, SS) at the federal government trough. But I guess that would be impossible since he’d then be getting a Senate pension. Good grief! What a patriot. Senator, you and your ilk are the problem. Can’t your wealthy trophy wife support you? Wonder how many more like him are “serving” us?
Jackie
January 25th, 2010
5:38 pm
@eagle scout
Salute! First Team!!!
The problem I am having with Police Line is that he keeps putting out this propoganda about his being in a fight hole for most of his time in ‘Nam and he ate C-rats the majority of time in country.
He further stated that he was in Con Thien and essentially his unit was steal; they did not want the enemy to know where they were.
He indicated that Tet was in November and the only one was 1968.
What a joke!!!!!!
I take your point. I will allow him to believe what he wants.
Del
January 25th, 2010
5:41 pm
“If no one knew where you were, how did you avoid the “archlights?”
They were called Ark Lights
SuperB
January 25th, 2010
5:42 pm
Another Rush Limbaughite, holy-rolling former sportscaster against the man who gave us a Rush Limbaughite, holy rolling former sportscaster (Palin.) Helluva choice?
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
5:56 pm
eagle scout:
If you don’t know your history ……… you are doomed to repeat it. Just look at current events.
The Marines just left Iraq after seven years (the same number of years as Nam) and only the U.S. Army is there for any ground fighting. When they leave guess what happens? Remember April 30, 1975?
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
6:06 pm
Del:
You’re right brother. I’m through also as I am beginning to think we are talking about a “sonar to bridge” here if you know what I mean.
However, I have a serious question for you alone (Jackie – that means butt out).
What do you think would have happened in South Vietnam if instead of Laos and Cambodia on its entire western border there had instead been the (let’s say) “Sea of Thailand” ?
In my opinion, we would have had just another Korea. The DMZ in V.N. was only 53 miles wide (Korea was 250). We could have sealed it off and an American Division would still be sitting there on the DMZ along side South Vietnamese units.
If true ……… that brings up the old addage …………. never get involved in a land war in Asia.
catlady
January 25th, 2010
6:10 pm
I am one of those who got the Republican National Committee “census” letter. They should be charged with a crime since they clearly intended to immitate the real Census. When?
Without a brain Jay...
January 25th, 2010
6:33 pm
Why does anyone listen to Bookman?
Not Going To Use My Usual Name
January 25th, 2010
6:43 pm
What’s interesting to me is something I haven’t heard people discussing about the relationship between media entertainers and politicians. Some time ago, folks were pointing to Rush Limbaugh as the de facto party leader (remember when the head of the RNC, Steele, had to apologize to him?)… and the Republicans quickly said that Rush was an *entertainer*, something Rush himself says.
Now, however, there seems to be increasing bleed between Republican entertainers and Republican politicians. You have this fellow, who was a politician, became a media host, and is returning to politics… obviously Palin… and the right wing politicians are beholden to their media in a way that left wing politicians aren’t. I think plenty of people would vote for Limbaugh or Hannity, were they to run (although they’d be fools to give up their empires for that), but I don’t know too many on my side who would vote for John Stewart or Stephen Colbert or even Rachel Maddow. (Al Franken seems to be the exception). Sure, Hollywood tends toward the liberal, but the left uses them as occasional boosters and frequent check-writers, not main sources of political vitality or ideas. Think about Neal Boortz and his collaboration with Linder on the Fair Tax book… we’d laugh at Stewart if he tried to write a policy book, even though we think he’s on point with a lot of criticism.
I’d love to know what you folks–especially on the right wing–think about the ties between your political entertainers and your politicos. My suspicion: Rush may think of himself as an entertainer, but I think he’s the only one. I think many people view him (and other talk show hosts) as some kind of prophetic truth-tellers.
eagle scout
January 25th, 2010
6:51 pm
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
5:56 pm
Understand Police Line I do not make policty, nor do I wage war….
I know my history well enough to remember what transpired on Remember April 30, 1975.
I also am wise enough to see your correlation…but, hey as long as you have super patriots like
Dusty spouting the sing song he fought for our countr nonsense, and the other gadgets and slogans that go with committing our young to endless wars, and sometimes death you’ll have your Dusty’s.
Glad you made it home those many years ago….war sucks!
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
7:02 pm
eagle scout:
I hear you. What do also think about my 6:06 post? Sometimes, geogrpahy is 90% of the problem.
Police Line Do Not Cross
January 25th, 2010
8:45 pm
Without a brain Jay… :
I listen to Jay for several reasons:
1) He usually engages in reasoned debate without getting too personal and documents well.
2) We must know our political enemy and what they are thinking/planning at all times.
3) Occasionally, he will break out of his biased mindset and nail a liberal/Democrat for some wrongdoing.
4) He does genuinely love his country (as a liberal parent who truly loves their children but still raises them as “spoiled brats” vs. a conservative parent who disciplines their children and makes them work for that allowance.)
By the way, visit a grocery store and hang out some Saturday morning for about an hour and you will see just what I mean.
Salt & Light
January 25th, 2010
9:03 pm
Headline: “EXCLUSIVE: Obama Would ‘Rather Be Really Good One-Term President’ ”
Wish granted !