A burning fuse in Iraq that so far can’t be extinguished

Meanwhile, back in Iraq, things are getting downright dicey. The Sunni-Shiite feud that once lay dormant has been reignited after a government panel barred more than 500 candidates, many of them Sunni, from the ballot in the March 7 elections. The Sunnis see that move as an effort to deny them a voice in government, and there is every reason to believe they are right. Secular Shiites who might draw votes from religious-based Shiite parties are also among those banned.

In a nightmare that never goes away, the government panel that made that controversial decision is chaired by no other than Ahmed Chalabi, the one-time darling of Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Out of favor with the Americans, he has since cast his lot with the Iranians, who maintain close ties to Iraq’s Shiite religious parties.

Tom Ricks, the former Washington Post military writer and author of “Making the Corps” and “Fiasco,” his definitive history of the initial occupation of Iraq, says he received the following from a good friend in Iraq “who doesn’t scare easily.”

“I’m afraid things are coming to a tipping point here. If the Chalibi-Iranian faction succeeds in keeping those 15 pro-Alawi Sunni parties off the ballot all bets are off. I can see a Shiia-on-Shiia civil war (with the Sunnis backing the Alawi faction) or a military coup as real possibilities. At this point, the best thing to happen would be to postpone the election. If they go ahead toward March the way they are heading, all bets are off. I don’t think Washington is fully engaged with Haiti and Afghan distracting them. A lot of bad vibes here.”

Some in Iraq are trying to defuse the danger, as Liz Sly of the Los Angeles Times reports:

Iraq’s president has asked the country’s Supreme Court to rule on the legality of a ban on hundreds of candidates in the upcoming elections, offering the first official challenge to a decision that could undermine the legitimacy of the poll.

President Jalal Talabani said Thursday that he was “personally not happy” with the ban on mostly secular candidates, and questioned the authority of the committee that ordered it because its composition had not been approved by the parliament.

His comments at a news conference offered the first hint of a possible way out of a dispute that has threatened to derail the March 7 elections and polarized the country along sectarian lines.

The Obama administration is also trying to mediate the dispute, with Vice President Biden scheduled to visit Iraq soon. But Talabani, a Kurd, apparently isn’t much interested in what the Americans have to say at this point.

“We are an independent country and will not receive orders from anyone, whether it is a brotherly Arab country, a neighboring country, or a friend,” he said.

In a way that’s a sign of progress, I suppose. But I remain pessimistic that Iraq will remain a functioning democracy long-term.

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Tarryton

January 22nd, 2010
11:39 am

This Shia/Sunni feud is as old as Islam, and it can explode today, tomorrow, or more likely, as soon as we withdraw.

That’s why we are stuck in Iraq 4ever.

Ridgerunner

January 22nd, 2010
11:41 am

And why may I ask?

Because this is a religious was as opposed to a political one. Even the North Vietnamese left us alone after we left and they never to my knowledge committed any terrorist acts over here? I wonder why?

Remember the New Iraqi Constitution that we approved/allowed:

“Nothing in this Constitution shall violate the tenets of Islam.” Pathetic !

The day we leave …………. it’s back to square one.

RW-(the original)

January 22nd, 2010
11:42 am

The Obama administration is also trying to mediate the dispute, with Vice President Biden scheduled to visit Iraq soon.

Why is that not the least bit comforting? Biden???

thomas

January 22nd, 2010
11:45 am

The middle east is just so screwed up?

Does anybody really know how or what to do for this place to live in some type of peace?

I don’t think any of us understand and I am not sure that any of them over there want to be understood, or really care to change.

Its a sad and confusing tale.

AmVet

January 22nd, 2010
11:47 am

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

January 22nd, 2010
11:48 am

I’m more afraid the United States won’t “remain a functioning democracy” and I have more basis for reality than Bookman does, just sayin….

Finn McCool

January 22nd, 2010
11:53 am

Just walk away….nothing more to do there… Nothing to see here…

If anyone asks we can deny it all as a dream: “We were in Iraq? When? I don’t recall such nonsense…it wasn’t us – musta been Russia. No way we’d ever go there, that place is too effed up, they don’t even have proper plumbing and 24/7 electricity anymore!”

RW-(the original)

January 22nd, 2010
11:57 am

Ridgerunner

January 22nd, 2010
11:57 am

I meant “war” at my 11:41

To Thomas @ 11:45: Great question ….. brief answer ……… “The wonderful world of Islam”.

Just in case you haven’t seen this from one of our former presidents with amazing foresight (others who have seen it please ignore if it bothers your sensitivities):

“In the seventh century of the Christian era a wandering Arab, of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combing the powers of transcendent genius with the preternatural energy of a fanatic and the fraudulent spirit of an imposter, proclaimed himself as a messenger from heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth.”

“Adopting, from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God, he connected indissolubly with it the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion.”

“He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as part of his religion against all the rest of mankind. The essence of his doctrine was violence and lust; to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature.”

“Between these two religions, thus contrasted in the characters, a war of more than twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extincture of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute are encouraged to furnish motives to human action, there never can be peace on earth and good will toward men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.”

John Adams, 1830

Jake

January 22nd, 2010
12:02 pm

It will take men of great character and courage to resolve this age old problem. Where are Clinton, Carter, and Jesse Jackson when we really need them?

F-105 Thunderchief

January 22nd, 2010
12:04 pm

I think we should let the Iraqi government become puppets of an Ayatollah and be done with it.

Once Manhattan Project II frees us of our addiction to foreign oil, we can leave the Middle East utterly alone. It’s a good thing that Manhattan Project II is going ahead full steam.

Bosch

January 22nd, 2010
12:05 pm

“But I remain pessimistic that Iraq will remain a functioning democracy long-term.” I don’t see that they are now or ever were a functioning democracy.

Let THEM fight it out without our intervention.

getalife

January 22nd, 2010
12:08 pm

More consequences of the w disaster.

When will it end?

Watching Dorgan trying to explain the mess we are in on C-Span.

We lose a good man and Senator.

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2010
12:09 pm

Why is that not the least bit comforting? Biden???

On the bright side, one hopes this assignment keeps his incorporated-in-Delaware arse out of any banking reform efforts.

md

January 22nd, 2010
12:19 pm

A year ago today, the new president signed an executive order to “provide the process whereby Guantanamo will be closed no later than one year from now.”

Another one bites the dust.

Anyone still believe in exuctive on the job training, it tends to make us all look bad.

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2010
12:21 pm

“Does anybody really know how or what to do for this place to live in some type of peace?”

No. Colin Powell nailed it when he said (in effect): “you break it, you own it”

If we had never invaded it would still be broken, but it would not have been US that broke it. We broke, we’re stuck with the results. And I’ve said this since the first day of the invasion: it doesn’t matter how long we are there: 1 year, 10 years, 100 years. When we leave, they’ll be at each other throats again.

Disgusted

January 22nd, 2010
12:29 pm

Iraq has always been about religion. The US succeeded in dislodging the Sunnis and installed Shiites in their stead, while piously proclaiming the installation of a democracy. Now that the Shia are trampling on the Sunnis, some people pretend to be surprised and dismayed. Didn’t anybody read that little clause in the Iraq constitution–the one that says nothing will be contrary to Islam?

Time to grow up and recognize that we are still dealing with a 12th Century mentality over there. The minute our troops leave, coups and the revolution will start until a strongman brutal enough to enforce order emerges. Yet, millions in our own country believe that somehow we’ve created a mini-verson of the United States.

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2010
12:31 pm

“The minute our troops leave, coups and the revolution will start until a strongman brutal enough to enforce order emerges.”

I also think that’s what will happen.

AmVet

January 22nd, 2010
12:35 pm

md, and accordingly my new grade for BHO has dropped from a C- to a D+.

But unlike the clearly clueless hyper-partisans here, I predicted his becoming George W Bush II.

And FWIW, I’ve never bought into the argument as fully as most (apparently) about Presidential OJT.

Look at BHO’s aforementioned predecessor, – his resume was supposedly chock full of “executive experience” and he will go down in history as arguably one of, if not the very worst US President in history.

Having that attribute or not is not what has made these men abject failures…

BMDPD

January 22nd, 2010
12:39 pm

There will never be peace there whether we stay or go. Unfortunately, they can now point the finger at us. Although I generally believe that the previous administration went in there with what they thought were the right reasons, there is no successful way to pull out.

Normal

January 22nd, 2010
12:39 pm

With Iraq we had a simple choice. The known Devil or the unknown Devil.
We sure chose well, didn’t we?

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2010
12:42 pm

“With Iraq we had a simple choice. The known Devil or the unknown Devil”

There was a third choice: stay the hell out of a country that never attacked us and was no threat to us

Jimmy Carter

January 22nd, 2010
12:48 pm

Gee, it makes me feel sooooo much better than Joe the Biden will be handling the negotiations. Kind of like back when the Great Depression hit, President FDR went on TV to calm the fears of Americans. @@

Scooter

January 22nd, 2010
12:50 pm

That mess in Iraq is almost making me loose my lunch. How many more have to die for it ?
Sickening !!!!!

Jimmy Carter

January 22nd, 2010
12:50 pm

AmVet

January 22nd, 2010
12:35 pm

So what you’re saying is while W may go down as the worst prez in history (after 9 years in office), BHO in only ONE year has garnered the grade of D+ from you. Let’s just hope BHO doesn’t get the full 8 year ride. Can someone earn a J-??

Jimmy Carter

January 22nd, 2010
12:51 pm

Oops, let’s try 8 years in office for W.

WMDs

January 22nd, 2010
12:52 pm

Boy, I sure miss Sadaam.

Nothing like the brilliant policy of the Bush-Cheney regime.

Jenifer

January 22nd, 2010
12:52 pm

US Firm Backs Off ‘Jesus’ Scopes

Very good. Kudos to Rachel Maddow and ABC News for running the story.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100121/ts_alt_afp/usmilitaryreligionweapons

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
12:54 pm

Well, now that the oil companies have a vote, I think they should decide what they want to do with the whole mess and just do it.

Jimmy Carter

January 22nd, 2010
12:57 pm

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
12:54 pm

Oil companies now have a vote? Gee, I thought the lunatic left was claiming Iraq was all about oil. Just how much oil did the US oil companies get anyway?

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
1:04 pm

Just how much oil did the US oil companies get anyway?

Probably not as much as they were hoping for.

AmVet

January 22nd, 2010
1:06 pm

Billy, LOL! I think your Freudian slip was correct.

9 years in office…

Jimmy Carter

January 22nd, 2010
1:07 pm

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
1:04 pm

If it was truly a “war over oil” then we’d have a helluva reserve on hand. It wasn’t about oil, but nonetheless, it was a war we shouldn’t have engaged in. Sad to think we’ve been in Iraq twice as long as we were in WWII.

Jimmy Carter

January 22nd, 2010
1:07 pm

AmVet

January 22nd, 2010
1:06 pm

Haha. I guess it just felt like 9. Hell, BHO’s first year has felt like about 2 or 3 to me.

Jake

January 22nd, 2010
1:08 pm

Just another manifestation of the disastrous Democrat legacy that is the Middle East.

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
1:09 pm

Jenifer

January 22nd, 2010
12:52 pm

Im thinking this idea wouldve been more acceptable had a different name been chosen like maybe…

“Rifles for Jesus”
“Shotguns against Satan”
“Jesus’ Marksmen”

Something along those lines.

Tarryton

January 22nd, 2010
1:10 pm

The Sunni/Shia feud is more complex than just a religious duality. The feud intersects older, tribal feuds so that there are subsets within subsets of rivalries and liasons that stretch all the way to China and go back 10K years.

We’ll never figure them all out. This whole nation-building adventure is the second lowest point in our history of being Ugly Americans.

There was only one other point in our history that proved we need supervision more than Iraq. One.

I wish I had room for it, but I’m limited to 140 characters by the comment-screening Merrimacs. Or is it the Monitors? Oh, it’s always about this civil war or that feud, and I’m sick of it.

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
1:12 pm

We shouldve partitioned that hell hole while we had the chance.

A third for each of the dysfuncitonal demogoguery

Call it like it is.

January 22nd, 2010
1:14 pm

Okay, quit screwing around, send our military down to protect the oil wells, then let the middle east just blow theirselves up. The whole region was in chaos before us, they are now, and they will be long after we are gone. Take the leash off Israel and let them do what they need to do.

Would any of us here really miss Iran or Iraq?

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
1:15 pm

“The minute our troops leave, coups and the revolution will start until a strongman brutal enough to enforce order emerges.”

Lettuce just be sure its OUR PUPPET strong-man! Perhaps we might get a decent price on some cheap oil. What about Cheney…he would make a excellent “strong man”.

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
1:16 pm

Call it like it is.

January 22nd, 2010
1:14 pm

Sounds like a well thought out plan!! And yes…at all costs the oil must be protected!

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
1:17 pm

Obama needs to send a hand-picked team to Iraq to help work things out. I’m thinkin’ a team led by Dick Cheney. Just give him his shotgun and all the shells he can carry and put him and Rumsfeld and Kristol and Rove and a few others in parachutes so they can drop in unannounced…

every mothers son

January 22nd, 2010
1:26 pm

Taxpayer… I would add Lindsey Graham, and John McCain. Who knows there may be some carpets they can load up on for a song!

every mothers son

January 22nd, 2010
1:27 pm

oops forgot ole Joe Lieberman!

Jake

January 22nd, 2010
1:28 pm

Taxpayer – I stil think the team should be Clinton, Carter and the Rev Jackson. It’s only fair. Since the Dems started this mess, let them fix it.

Tarryton

January 22nd, 2010
1:28 pm

There was never an entrance strategy for Iraq. Who cares about exit strategies when you don’t have any idea why you went in?

The only good thing that Obama’s Administration has achieved is that now it is truly Obama’s War and the GOP can finally be honest about how pathetic the entrance strategy was/is and will be.

America is finally on the same page about Iraq; too bad it’s the blank page at the beginning of the book before the copyright page. Nobody has any idea what to do. How could we? We aint Iraqis.

Notice how I haven’t even mentioned the wildcard team: Kurds. The only thing the Shias and Sunnis agree on is how they will rid Iraq of the Kurdish Scum.

We are stuck in Iraq on Afghan time.

jewcowboy

January 22nd, 2010
1:30 pm

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! ,

“I’m more afraid the United States won’t “remain a functioning democracy””

We never were, why would we be now?

pat

January 22nd, 2010
1:31 pm

Nope, I don’t think democracy will last there either…I frankly don’t care what kind of government they are so long as they are freindly to us.

jewcowboy

January 22nd, 2010
1:32 pm

“You can’t put democracy and freedom back into a box.” ~ George W. Bush

Wait, Bush might be wrong….NOOOOOOOOO! My illusions shattered by reality.

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2010
1:33 pm

“so long as they are freindly to us”

Don’t hold your breath waiting for that, either.

jconservative

January 22nd, 2010
1:34 pm

“But I remain pessimistic that Iraq will remain a functioning democracy long-term.”

My feelings from day one. The DOD is still engaging in a “what if” study that is concerned with separate Kurd, Shiite & Sunni states with one as a radical Islamic republic. That is my concern. By toppling Saddam we could have opened the proverbial Pandora’s Box.

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
1:35 pm

I would add Lindsey Graham, and John McCain. Who knows there may be some carpets they can load up on for a song!

I had a special trip in mind for McCain seeing as how he did promise to chase one bin Laden to the not so pearly gates. We need to make sure that he remains a man of his word. Oops! That was only if he was elected though. Never mind.

Bosch

January 22nd, 2010
1:38 pm

jewcowboy,

Oh those Bushisms. Thanks for that chuckle. I “invented” a word yesterday: dishonested, and I swear it instantly made me think of our old word challenged friend. He had some doozies.

Anywho, I was hoping Jay would start the weekend early and put up some tunes. I wonder what that lady in the orange shorts is doing right now.

AmVet

January 22nd, 2010
1:38 pm

Gotta go and be a good little capitalist.

Have a great weekend everyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6vyTM_qJAE

jewcowboy

January 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm

Outhouse GoKart,

“What about Cheney…he would make a excellent “strong man”.”

So would Emperor Palpatine…but wait aren’t they the same?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/opinion/19dowd.html

Doggone/GA

January 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm

“By toppling Saddam we could have opened the proverbial Pandora’s Box”

Not “could have”…DID

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
1:39 pm

By toppling Saddam we could have opened the proverbial Pandora’s Box.”

Uh…we did. Hindsight being 20/20 of course. Those iraqis couldnt care any less about our helping them. They and other arabs just want to fight and kill one another and/or us.

We need to install King Farque Dick Al-Cheney as our puppet strong man to protect the oil. Then ship over as many weapons as possible and let all factions have a go at it!

jewcowboy

January 22nd, 2010
1:40 pm

Bosch,

dishonested – the past act of deceiving?

Ridgerunner

January 22nd, 2010
1:41 pm

Ah, the wonderful world of Islam.

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
1:46 pm

JC…hilairous!

“Anakin Skywalker is a promising young man who is turned to the dark side by an older politician and becomes Darth Vader. “George Bush is Darth Vader,” he said. “Cheney is the emperor.”

One thing for sure, as mean, abrupt, unforgiving, nasty as cheney can be, iraq would probably be “whipped into shape” rather quickly. The only problem is then cheney would have nothing to occupy his time…then God only know what might happen. We may end up having to uninstall our installed “strong man” or begin additional oil purchases from Hugo Chavez.

Normal

January 22nd, 2010
1:46 pm

BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!

Bosch

January 22nd, 2010
1:48 pm

jewcowboy,

Maybe I should send that word to Bush for him to use in his speeches! Can’t you just hear him saying that?

“They are being dishonested! Hehehehe.”

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
1:51 pm

“They are being dishonested! Hehehehe.”

Wouldn’t that need to be “They were being dishonested.”

Gale

January 22nd, 2010
1:52 pm

It is not surprising there is so little comment on this topic. What is there to say? We have committed our people to a war that cannot be “won” because we cannot understand what the people want. American style democracy has not place there because the very concepts our government is built on have no place in their ideology. Sure, they want freedom to self-govern. But how does that work inside Islamic law? And which Islamic law?

md

January 22nd, 2010
1:55 pm

“Just how much oil did the US oil companies get anyway?

Probably not as much as they were hoping for.”

Wonder why that is considering we have 100k+ troops over there. Damn sure wouldn’t let countries that opposed the war get any of “our” oil with 100k+ troops.

Shucks, too late.

Jenifer

January 22nd, 2010
1:55 pm

Taxpayer, I LOVE your 1:35.

md

January 22nd, 2010
1:56 pm

Pandora’s box was opened when the UN was created without a mechanism for enforcement.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
1:56 pm

Jay, here is an interesting thought.

Liberals are HOWLING at the Supreme Court ruling yesterday.

BUT! Liberals are FINE with terrorists getting a fair trial under our first amendment.

Insane much?

LA

January 22nd, 2010
1:57 pm

“Meanwhile, back in Iraq, things are getting downright dicey. ”

Yep, that’s what happens when we put a inexperienced acorn worker in charge of two wars.

Still waiting on Obama to get Bin Laden like he said he would.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
1:58 pm

“The Obama administration is also trying to mediate the dispute, with Vice President Biden scheduled to visit Iraq soon.”

Biden will end up doing something really stupid. It’s in his DNA.

Tarryton

January 22nd, 2010
2:04 pm

Bush used 2 say: “Wouldn’t it be great to have a democratic Iraq in the middle east? an ally in the war on terror?”

Yes, it would. And it would be nice if our cars ran on tapwater.

But don’t start a fifty year war over your fantasy, W.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:05 pm

jewcowboy

I read over your comments regarding each article. You made some really valid points and I appreciate you NOT calling me a troll etc…

Thanks

Taxpayer

January 22nd, 2010
2:06 pm

Jenifer

January 22nd, 2010
1:55 pm

They just don’t make patriots like they used to. Everything’s gotta be GPS or laser guided. Not like in the good ole days. In the saddle, reins in hand and spurs to boot. The days when being a Reagan meant somethin’… There I go romanticizing again.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:06 pm

“BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!”

That line should go nicely next to:

“Yes we can!”

Change we can believe in!”

Health Care Now

Obama the liar.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm

This could get real intrestin’

Senate Dems Not Sure They Can Get Enough Votes to Reconfirm Bernanke

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/01/senate-dems-not-sure-they-can-get-enough-votes-to-reconfirm-bernanke.html

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:10 pm

Is this racist?

‘Whites only’ basketball league announced

http://www.ajc.com/news/whites-only-basketball-league-279688.html

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:12 pm

OHHHHHHH SNAP!!!!!

The Incredible Deflation of Barack Obama

The air is seeping out of the Obama balloon. He has fallen to below 50 percent in the poll approval ratings, a decline punctuated by his party’s shocking loss in the Massachusetts special election.

Why?

http://www.usnews.com/articles/opinion/mzuckerman/2010/01/21/mort-zuckerman-the-incredible-deflation-of-barack-obama.html?PageNr=1

jewcowboy

January 22nd, 2010
2:15 pm

“Biden will end up doing something really stupid. It’s in his DNA”

More stupid than getting us into the war in the first place?

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

“More stupid than getting us into the war in the first place?”

Uh……he voted for the war in Iraq.

emo

January 22nd, 2010
2:19 pm

Despite there being pictures of worms all over the can, W just had to open it.
So let’s blame it on Carter, Clinton, Obama…

Jackie

January 22nd, 2010
2:20 pm

How many of the so-called conservatives spoke out about Richard Reeves, the shoe bomber, who was tried and convicted in US Federal court for his terrorist activity and al Qaeda ties.

Is there a difference between the shoe bomber and the Christmas bomber?

I know the line of so-called conservatives will be long.

Jackie

January 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm

Normal, SALUTE!!!

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:25 pm

“How many of the so-called conservatives spoke out about Richard Reeves, the shoe bomber, who was tried and convicted in US Federal court for his terrorist activity and al Qaeda ties.”

MANY! Including me. He should have been taken out behind the shed and shot.

“Is there a difference between the shoe bomber and the Christmas bomber? ”

Nope, shoot them both!

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2010
2:26 pm

oops. Let’s try that again, blog bluenose didn’t like something…

per LA @ 2.10, might want to see also:

Even if you think he’s awesome and brilliant, based solely on the simple “occasionally people in leadership positions should be accountable for what happens on their watch” principle, it was completely r i d i c u l o u s that Obama renominated him. Hopefully he does go down. Perhaps we could also start appointing actual liberals to some of these positions (top finance, military, law enforcement, intelligence) that seem to be earmarked for GOP Daddies.

But, more than that, Bernanke s-cks. He presided over this disaster, did nothing to prevent it, and now thinks minuscule inflation is a bigger concern than jobs, and gutting social security is more important than increasing tax revenues by helping people to get employed.

Don’t let the door hit you, w@nker.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:29 pm

THIS guy understands the GOP to a T.

Are Republicans “Due”?: Part IV

by Thomas Sowell

The “smart money” advocates a “big tent” and deplores those who want a clearer adherence to the kinds of ideas espoused by Ronald Reagan. What the “smart money” fails to explain is how Reagan won two landslide presidential elections in a row.

He certainly didn’t do it by trying to act like Democrats. That’s how the Republicans later turned off their own supporters, without gaining enough other voters to keep from being wiped out by the Democrats in two consecutive elections.

There is no way that Ronald Reagan could have won two landslide elections in a row if the only votes he got came from hard-core conservatives. He obviously got the votes of other people who liked what he said when he was running for the presidency and liked what he had done when he was up for re-election.

The big fear today is that the Republicans might offend Hispanics by supporting some controversial policies, such as border control or ending bilingual education. This is a very strong fear, now that Hispanics are the largest minority in the country.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2010/01/22/are_republicans_due_part_iv

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm

MANY! Including me.

Cite, please.

Normal

January 22nd, 2010
2:31 pm

Jackie, back at ya…

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:32 pm

“Cite, please.”

Cite what?

Jackie

January 22nd, 2010
2:33 pm

@LA

It appears you are in limited company.
Since the Bush administration tried and convicted Mr. Reeves, the so-called conservatives accepted the rule-of-law concept.

jewcowboy

January 22nd, 2010
2:34 pm

LA,

“I read over your comments regarding each article.You made some really valid points and I appreciate you NOT calling me a troll etc…”

I generally try not to label anyone anything derogatory, as it tends to add emotion to a discussion, thereby weakening any point one makes. Though, truth be told, I’ve been known to call into question ones lineage when provoked ;)

While I don’t agree with your statement about millions of dollars being given by foreign nationals to the Obama campaign and the sources posted generally presented innuendo as fact, I do appreciate you bringing something to light for me that I had not considered before.

That being the large scale credit card fraud that is possible, and the fact that FEC regulations seem shackled to the $84M public financing.

Regardless of the Obama campaign, the fact that his campaign set the precedence for not using public financing means that in the future no candidate probably will, which in turn, means that there will likely be a huge donor bases contributing small amounts and the FEC not requiring any disclosure of those names. The additional fact that since public money is not being used and therefore no audit is required is equally troublesome.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:35 pm

“It appears you are in limited company.
Since the Bush administration tried and convicted Mr. Reeves, the so-called conservatives accepted the rule-of-law concept.”

And you have proof of your claim?

TW

January 22nd, 2010
2:36 pm

Had ‘w’ not changed the Clinton tax code, this Iraq mistake would at least be paid for right now.

Yep, no doubt democrat ’socialism’ is alot more conservative than ‘publican ‘Mericanism…or whatever that tee bag nastiness is all about :)

Jackie

January 22nd, 2010
2:37 pm

@LA

Did you notice how no one has offered their opinion on the question from your side of the political spectrum?

Does that offer some anecdotal evidence for you?

stands for decibels

January 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm

LA @ 2.32, please cite some of these “many” conservatives who made a stink about the shoe bomber being tried and convicted in civilian court.

I’m not necessarily saying there wasn’t any criticism, but (for example) it’s been pointed out that Rudy Guiliani was on record praising the efforts.

LA

January 22nd, 2010
2:40 pm

“Does that offer some anecdotal evidence for you?”

Not really.

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm

The coconut seems intent to fall upon his own sword…

Obama Pledges He Won’t ‘Walk Away’ From Health Care Reform
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/22/obama-pledges-wont-walk-away-health-care-reform/

Saw Howard Dean on PMSnbc spouting the MA election behind the scenes reasonig was just the opposite of others deductions. According to Dean the American people are upset because the Coconut and Dems arent liberal enough. What a spin…

md

January 22nd, 2010
2:41 pm

I’ll chime in. I think they should both be classified as enemy combatants, taken off to military jails and proceed from there.

Since the SC has ruled military tribunals to be ok, I see no problem.

We have the military fighting the “war”, let them handle the prisoners.

Outhouse GoKart

January 22nd, 2010
2:42 pm

“Does that offer some anecdotal evidence for you?”

Uh…naw…*crickets*

Jackie

January 22nd, 2010
2:43 pm

@md

The only problem with that concept is both were captured on US soil. If they are placed in a military tribunal, what is to stop the Feds from placing anyone in a tribunal when being charged with terrorism?

Jenifer

January 22nd, 2010
2:44 pm

Balls Beer For Health Care Reform

Bottoms up! I’ll drink to this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMlPE1lV_5Y