Democrats take a shot to the nose and run home to momma

I’ve long thought that Democrats have better ideas, an advantage that the Republicans offset by being more committed. That dynamic is playing out once again in Washington over the health-care reform fight.

In any kind of brawl, the real fight doesn’t begin until you get punched in the nose. What do you do at that point? How do you respond? The Democrats took a good shot to the nose yesterday in Massachusetts, and they’re running home to their mommas. A party with a 59-41 margin in the Senate and a 256-178 margin in the House is apparently throwing in the towel on health-care reform.

It makes no sense. Every Democratic congressman and senator who voted for the bill earlier is permanently tagged with it. Come November, it’s going to be part of the campaign against them regardless of whether the bill passes. They’ve already paid the political price, but they’re walking away empty-handed, without their purchase.

In fact, panic has set in among Democrats. By their reaction, they’re turning a small if significant defeat into something larger. (For the Civil War scholars out there, it’s a political version of First Manassas.) President Obama has made it clear that the Democrats won’t try to rush a Senate vote before Republican Scott Brown is seated, and that’s probably appropriate. But the haste with which House Democrats have simply abandoned the effort doesn’t bode well for the party in the battles to come.

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January 20th, 2010
5:23 pm

Yeah, those ideas are so better that a Repug now sits in the Kennedy Senate seat.

TW

January 20th, 2010
5:24 pm

Or maybe it’s brilliant. If you believe there is a relationship between healthcare and long life, and between smoking, grease, fat and an early death, then the scrapping of healthcare can’t help but decimate the ‘publican base :)

getalife

January 20th, 2010
5:25 pm

Down goes Obama.

TKO.

Threw in the towel.

No Mas.

Scooter

January 20th, 2010
5:29 pm

All this hoopla in politics is making me more confused than I was already. Whew!!!

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January 20th, 2010
5:30 pm

The health care bill the dummycrats threatened America with cut care for the elderly, the elderly!, funded abortion with federal tax dollars, exempted the insurance plans of the Union from tax increases that everyone else faced, passed the majority of the cost along to the states knowing full well they would have gotten “bailed out” by the Fed at a later date, would have started collecting tax revenues years, years!, before issuing any benefits, Bookman thinks these are “better” ideas.

Look at obozo and Croaksley and Pelosi and Reid, where does this lib get off insulting our intelligence?

little snob.

Brad Steel

January 20th, 2010
5:33 pm

Just goes to show that a politician’s job is to get elected.

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January 20th, 2010
5:34 pm

John Bandaid Kerry is the epitomy of ignorance, stone stupidity manifesting the flesh, “Kan eye git me one dem licenses?,” a wretched human being, Bookman is in awe of his vast “intelligence.”

Speaks volumes, don’t it?

Brad Steel

January 20th, 2010
5:35 pm

Republicans have no ideas. And to that they are very committed.

getalife

January 20th, 2010
5:35 pm

“Just goes to show that a politician’s job is to get elected.”

Never,ever trust them.

Del

January 20th, 2010
5:36 pm

Jay,

It could be that after last night they have finally awakened to the reality that they’ve crafted and pushed a bill that the majority of Americans just don’t want. It has clearly damaged the democrats and the smart ones know it’s time to cut the loss. It may hurt some in November but bailing on it now isn’t going to hurt them anymore than it already has. Continuing on with a loser would certainly do far greater damage. The vote last night in Mass. conveyed a national message that Obama and company can’t foolishly ignore.

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:38 pm

” I’ve long thought that Democrats have better ideas”

Like what?

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:38 pm

“In fact, panic has set in among Democrats.”

Yep

RAMBLE ON!!!

January 20th, 2010
5:40 pm

It’s the arrogance of the liberals that has turned the stomach of American voters. Only those equal in arrogance, and those too stupid to recognize it will vote Democrat.

Yes, this is why we cling to our bibles and guns, and oh yeah, trucks.

This is only the beginning. LMAO.

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January 20th, 2010
5:43 pm

Nasty Pelosi, a hollowed out, empty headed human being that gave as justification for the Prokulus spending bill that “50,000,000 Americans a week were being laid off,” and thinks you don’t have to drill for natural gas, among other mental monstrosities, is whom Bookman seeks understanding and guidance from.

Any questions?

Del

January 20th, 2010
5:48 pm

USA Today
January 20, 2010
Pg. 5
Soldiers Told To Stop Handing Out Food
By Jim Michaels, USA Today
Food handouts were shut off Tuesday to thousands of people at a tent city here when the main U.S. aid agency said the Army should not be distributing the packages.
It was not known whether the action reflected a high-level policy decision at the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) or confusion in a city where dozens of entities are involved in aid efforts.
“We are not supposed to get rations unless approved by AID,” Maj. Larry Jordan said.
Jordan said that approval was revoked; water was not included in the USAID decision, so the troops continued to hand out bottles of water. The State Department and USAID did not respond to requests for comment.
Jordan has been at the airport supervising distribution of individual food packages and bottled water since his arrival last week. Each package provides enough calories to sustain a person for a day.
The food is flown by helicopter to points throughout the capital and distributed by paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne Division. At the tent city, set up at a golf course, more than 10,000 people displaced by the Haitian earthquake lay under makeshift tents. Each day, hundreds of people, many young children, line up for a meal.
Tuesday morning, the helicopters came only with water. Soldiers carried boxes of water in the hot sun and supervised Haitian volunteers who handed the supplies out.

Scooter

January 20th, 2010
5:49 pm

Whiner, yes, I have a question. Does all this mean I can quit stocking up on ammo? :grin:

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January 20th, 2010
5:50 pm

I ask, one year on, to the date, how many kkkampaign promises has your little genius obozo kept, aside from the Lily Ledbetter fair pay act, which has cost many women their jobs?

Do tell us, oh smart ones.

Sunshine and Thunder

January 20th, 2010
5:51 pm

Jay, some of the dems will survive only if they stop this healthcare nonsense now. They know it and they will stop. They aren’t as dumb as most of their consituents.

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama

January 20th, 2010
5:52 pm

Oh, I see. The people have spoken, but that doesn’t matter you think the elected members should ignore the message being sent? Dumb move.
But, let’s hear it for the LIAR in Chief, he has crashed and burned much faster than I ever thought possible – now that’s change I can believe in!

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:54 pm

“Republicans have no ideas. And to that they are very committed.”

Keep telling yourself that.

VA-Democrats lost

NJ-Democrats lost

Mass-Democrats lost

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:55 pm

mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama

Here is a list of names you can use for Obama. Since I voted for him, I do have the right to criticize.

President Dope and Chains

President Acorn

Yes We Can’t!

Chains I can believe in!

President Obamoa

Cool?

Class of '98

January 20th, 2010
5:56 pm

It’s “probably appropriate” not to rush the Senate vote before Brown is seated? Sheesh, you pinkos never cease to amaze me.

If you Obamatards think last night was fun, just wait until November. BWHAHAHAHAHA

md

January 20th, 2010
5:56 pm

Is it possible that Barry has seen the error in his ways. On the trail he stated the process would be open, transparent, bi-partisan and on put c-span.

It was closed, done in the back room with buyouts, partisan and not on c-span.

Thats 0 for 4. I would like to think he knows it wasn’t done like he said he would do it and now he has a second chance.

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:57 pm

Last nights election was called Karma.

Mary Jo’s revenge.

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:57 pm

“Folks, this is the Berlin Wall coming down. This is the Ted Kennedy seat. They’re still calling it that, and they’ve lost it. And they lost it to a rookie.”

-Rush Limbaugh

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:58 pm

“Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time in my life I am proud of Massachusetts, as I paraphrase Michelle (My Belle) Obama.”

-Rush Limbaugh

@@

January 20th, 2010
5:59 pm

jay, am I reading you right? You would advocate going against the people on this? Maybe they’re going to enter into bi-partisan debate on the bill. In Obama’s Oh, I’m so sorry…I didn’t listen to the people crappola to be aired tonight on Stephanopoulos, he talks about other ways. What are those other ways?

Measures that have been promoted by Republicans all along. This bill may have gone forward already had Obama and his crew not sought to have all things their way.

They’ve been exposed for what they are….control freaks. I wouldn’t trust them again if my life depended on it. If they tried it once, they’ll go for it again. There’s no doubt in my mind on that. It goes to character or lack thereof.

LA

January 20th, 2010
5:59 pm

“There’s no way a reasonable person will understand anything on MSNBC.”

-Rush Limbaugh

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:00 pm

“Be unabashedly eager. Do not be ashamed to be conservative. Do not be ashamed to articulate conservatism. Learn to do it.”

-Rush Limbaugh

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:01 pm

“Conservatism is the answer. The era of Reagan is not over. We don’t dare use this as a launching pad for a third party. We have shown it’s totally unnecessary. Just get back to Reagan conservative roots.”

-Rush Limbaugh

md

January 20th, 2010
6:06 pm

That third party just elected that republican up there in MA – your welcome.

The problem with the 2 parties is that they don’t think there is a third party, it may not be organized, but it is there.

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:07 pm

Where are all the liberals who consistently call conservatives and republicans losers?

AmVet, Mrs Godzilla, Bosch, Lord Help Us! etc………….

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 20th, 2010
6:08 pm

Well, I thought I’d sneak on here before mike gets here and starts calling me a bigot. When mike gets started with that, he can’t stop hisself till he’s made about 40 posts.

Anyhow, I’m glad to hear the librul Democrats are such chickens. They won’t use this thing where they can pass a bill with just 51 votes. I forget what you call it. But just wait till us Republicans get back in power and watch us use it. We done it already with My President’s tax cuts and we threatened to do it over Roberts and Scalia till the librul Democrats caved in.

So it’s us Brave Republicans against the Chicken Democrats. Cut ‘n run. That’s what they’re good at.

Have a good night everybody.

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:08 pm

Robert Gibbs is on Ed “the cheater” Shultz show talking about how things are not that bad.

Again, piss off America at your own peril.

Brad Steel

January 20th, 2010
6:09 pm

“Are you gonna eat your fat?”

- Rush Limbaugh

Brad Steel

January 20th, 2010
6:10 pm

“Can you help me score some Oxy?”

-Rush Limbaugh

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:12 pm

Awe, poor Brad Steel.

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:13 pm

Obama’s Waterloo

Obama To Dems: Don’t Jam Through Health Care Bill

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/obama-to-dems-dont-jam-th_n_430134.html

@@

January 20th, 2010
6:17 pm

This is what Obama said to Stephanopoulos:

“I think point number two is that it is very important to look at the substance of this package and for the American people to understand that a lot of the fear mongering around this bill isn’t true. I would advise that we try to move quickly to coalesce around those elements of the package that people agree on. We know that we need insurance reform, that the health insurance companies are taking advantage of people. We know that we have to have some form of cost containment because if we don’t, then our budgets are going to blow up and we know that small businesses are going to need help so that they can provide health insurance to their families. Those are the core, some of the core elements of, to this bill.”

Reforming the insurance companies has always been the conservative message. It was Democrats who sought to hang up their kill and gut it while it still had life in it.

Taxpayer

January 20th, 2010
6:18 pm

Well, I have to agree with you on this matter, Jay The appropriate thing to do is regroup and reassess and replan. Not give up. Hopefully, they’ll pull themselves back together after they’ve had a chance to accept what happened. Then again, if I were running the show, I’d stage just such a showing, for effect, before moving ahead. That’s just me though.

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January 20th, 2010
6:19 pm

Ahh, yes-

By AJC/DNC Management

November 5, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

By Truthman November 5, 2008 9:28 AM Crocodile tears, AJC/Andi, Your vitriol is why BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS YOUR NEW PRESIDENT.

Truthman: Are you capable of reading anything I’ve written this morning?

Perhaps you should get yourself a dictionary and take a shot at it.

Then you will find out that I am actually quite happy that Oblahma won the election, in a depressing sort of way, because that means I am going to get my Republican party of Reagan back from these squishy “uniter” moderates that have it all ate up right now.

Plus, next year, probably around summer time, I will be able to tell everyone, I told you so.

Told ya so.

Welcome back, Conservatives!

Woo hoo!

AmVet

January 20th, 2010
6:19 pm

Good! The Pelosi/Reid/Obama/Clinton gang has proven time and time again just how spineless they really are.

From taking impeachment “off the table” to voting to give George of the Bungle the power to botch you know what in you know where.

To Cap & Trade.

To “Health Care Reform”.

You DO NOT cut deals with the criminals that you are trying to get rid of.

Yes the Republicans will, of course. But their missing spine is not even in doubt…

Taxpayer

January 20th, 2010
6:20 pm

Reforming the insurance companies has always been the conservative message.

Was that message buried between the 101st and 103rd “I Object” because I can’t seem to find it.

Jay

January 20th, 2010
6:21 pm

“What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?”
– Abraham Lincoln.

And @@, I do not think the results of a single off-cycle Senate race in Massachusetts should trump the results of a presidential contest and congressional election that gave Democrats large majorities in the House and Senate.

md

January 20th, 2010
6:24 pm

Hey Taxpayer, from earlier:

Everything is worth nothing until a buyer is found.

“I think someone tried that defense with the IRS. They didn’t buy it either.”

Curious as to why you think it to be untrue. Have any examples?

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January 20th, 2010
6:25 pm

From the national mood that I witnessed during the last few days, It looked to me that everyone all across this great nation wanted to cast their vote in Taxachussetts, against obozo.

But if you find comfort elsewhere, who am I to laugh?

TGT

January 20th, 2010
6:25 pm

If the Dems health care plan was such a “better idea” why did it morph into something that was barely recognizable from what many on the left really wanted?

If it was such a “better idea” (from even the status quo) why haven’t the American people bought into it?

If the Dems ideas are so much better, why did they lose in VA, NJ, MA and fail in Copenhagen?

The answer: Their ideas are not better.

Taxpayer

January 20th, 2010
6:26 pm

Reagan conservatism, just like Bush conservatism, is dead. It is a failed strategy. You cannot cut taxes, spend lavishly on corporate and elderly welfare, wage eternal war, and borrow to cover the shortfall. We are still trying to recover from that lesson yet to be learned by some.

jt

January 20th, 2010
6:27 pm

Unlike First Manassas,

We are going all the way this time.

md

January 20th, 2010
6:27 pm

Are we talking about the “mandate” that occurs at the time of election?

Considering the independents put these people in office, just what should that mandate really be?

Scooter

January 20th, 2010
6:28 pm

Hey AmVet,

See if this is appropiate for the current situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c2OM7HEfrs

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January 20th, 2010
6:29 pm

Ahh, yes-

By AJC/DNC Management

November 5, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

By saywhat? November 5, 2008 10:31 AM To AJC/DNC, @@, RW, dusty, dottie,and ragnar etc, Say this with me: President Barack Hussein Obama. Suck on that for the next eight years.

I guess this is above the pay grade of you liberals, so allow me to explain this in a little more detail.

A McCain victory yesterday would have consigned the Republican party to a minority status for decades to come and probably would have turned it over to the moderates forever.

McCain would not have gotten anything of substance passed into legislation and democrats would have whined and moaned about Republican obstruction 24/7 the whole entire time.

Now, not only can we seize the party back from the spineless moderates, the same moderates who have approval ratings of 22%, we can sit back and watch you screw everything up, incurring the wrath of the American people.

Did you really believe you are going to be able to keep all of your promises?

Puh-leeze.

Welcome back, Reaganism.

Great to see you again.

Yes it is!

jt

January 20th, 2010
6:31 pm

Hey Steny-

The American people MANDATE that you vacate your office.

midtownguy

January 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

If the democrats had nominated Hillary like they should have, a democrat would still be in the white house, except it would be a smart one in a skirt.

Taxpayer

January 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

Everything is worth nothing until a buyer is found.

I just consider that a rather odd stance to take in a capitalist society. I would have thought that a more appropriate construct would have been something like “The value of anything can be established once a buyer and seller are found” or something along those lines.

Bud Wiser

January 20th, 2010
6:32 pm

Poor little AmWet, now mad at his Dimwittocrat ‘friends’. Go back and vent your frustration on your PlayStation war games, little boy.

The Dimwits still have a massive majority in both Houses, yet they tremble like a little girl on prom night (at least prom night in my era, these days, no holds barred, but I digress).

I wonder why?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

md

January 20th, 2010
6:35 pm

Just because we have a two party system (all the others are irrelevant), why do the 2 think a mandate includes their entire ideology? Little help understanding from either “side” would be appreciated. Why did Georgie and Barry misinterpret so badly?

mike

January 20th, 2010
6:36 pm

“I’ve long thought that Democrats have better ideas,”

Jay, please don’t tell me that you think that the current health care bill and the strategy to pass it were “better ideas”.

Jay

January 20th, 2010
6:38 pm

Better than what, Mike?

Better than the status quo? Yes.

Better than anything the GOP proposed in its years in power? Yes.

mike

January 20th, 2010
6:39 pm

“If you believe there is a relationship between healthcare and long life, and between smoking, grease, fat and an early death, then the scrapping of healthcare can’t help but decimate the ‘publican base ”

Lord know that there are no Democrats who smoke (Obama), eat a lot of grease (Clinton) or are fat (Barney Frank).

Thanks for posting the most ignorant comment of the evening.

md

January 20th, 2010
6:39 pm

“I just consider that a rather odd stance to take in a capitalist society. I would have thought that a more appropriate construct would have been something like “The value of anything can be established once a buyer and seller are found” or something along those lines.”

I was taught that assets are what are sold and all have zero balance until sold, regardless of what one thinks them to be worth.

One may believe to have a $20k car, but in actuality that car is never worth more than what one gets for it, which is 0 if never sold.

@@

January 20th, 2010
6:41 pm

jay, you’ve heard the term “buyer’s remorse” have you not? Many of Obama’s campaign promises have fallen by the wayside, but on this particular issue…..one in which the vast majority of Americans have spoken out in opposition, you would have him push forward in spite of them?

He promised that he would assist people with their mortgages. Only in the slightest of ways has he done that.

He promised people jobs. That hasn’t happened.

He promised transparency. In no way has that proven true.

He promised no lobbyists. Puhleeeeeze.

His intentions on health care were clear to everyone who wanted to see. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk" His goal was to move us into a single payer health care system, and that’s what got the people’s attention. That is NOT what the majority of Americans wanted. Reform? Yes! Government takeover? NO!

Words matter, and he throws his around as though only liberals are listening. Guess what? This country is not comprised of majority liberals. Conservatives and independents rule!

We have spoken! Now quit trying to pull the wool over our eyes and listen!

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:42 pm

“Reagan conservatism, just like Bush conservatism, is dead.”

Keep telling that to yourself.

One year ago: “Conservatism and Republicans are going the way of the Whig Party”

Fast forward one year.

VA-Dems lost

NJ-Dems lost

MASS-Dems lost

Yep, conservatism is dead alright.

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:42 pm

“I’ve long thought that Democrats have better ideas,”

What ideas, Jay?

@@

January 20th, 2010
6:44 pm

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:44 pm

“What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?”
– Abraham Lincoln.

Lincoln would most definitely be shocked at what America has become.

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January 20th, 2010
6:44 pm

As a result, for the past four decades, American politics has consisted of Republicans controlling Washington for eight to 14 years — either from the White House or Capitol Hill — thus allowing Americans to forget what it was they didn’t like about Democrats, whom they then carelessly vote back in. The Democrats immediately remind Americans what they didn’t like about Democrats, and their power is revoked at the voters’ first possible opportunity. -AnnCoulter

Ram it through, Bookman, ram it through!

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:45 pm

“Better than anything the GOP proposed in its years in power? Yes.”

So, what are these grand ideas that the democrat party has to offer?

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:46 pm

“Good! The Pelosi/Reid/Obama/Clinton gang has proven time and time again just how spineless they really are.”

No, they all had the balls to try and ram through retarded legislation.

Problem is, America hated it.

LA

January 20th, 2010
6:47 pm

“jay, you’ve heard the term “buyer’s remorse” have you not?”

Yep, and I am one of those people who is having buyers remorse.

I want to return the lemon in the White House.

AmVet

January 20th, 2010
6:47 pm

Scooter, good stuff. That machine gun guitar work is still great. He sure was fun (and relevant) before he turned into a nut case.

Like I said last night, the conned are finally BELOW a 90% losing rate since 06. WOO HOO!!!

But to hear the delusional dreams from those in their parallel reality, you’d think they’ve won 90%.

Keep it up boys! And try desperately to pretend those very recent back to back slaughters were just bad rumors…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdCVlmmnOzA

TGT

January 20th, 2010
6:48 pm

If the Dems health plan was a “better idea,” how did a republican win in the bluest of blue states specifically campaigning as the “41st vote” against it? A significant majority of Americans (joining those in the Bay State) do not see the democrats’ health plan as a “better idea” than even the status quo.

mike

January 20th, 2010
6:48 pm

Jay –

“Better than the status quo” – Actually, the vast majority of Americans are satisfied with their health care and actually recognize that we can’t afford a massive expansion of entitlements. So, yes the status quo is better and the vast majority of Americans agree.

“Better than anything the GOP proposed in its years in power? ”

Well, health care reform was not on the table then and rightly, as people are satisfied with the current system. Now the ideas that the GOP put forward this past year were far better than the Dems. Simply passing tort reform would have made some incremental progress. So yes, the GOP ideas were far superior to the monster bill put forward by the Dems.

Just curious, when the GOP was in power and tried to pass Social Security reform, did you find the Democrats policy superior? It would be tough to, as they refused to do so. Don’t remember you calling them the party of “No”, though.

You also missed the second half of my post in which I pointed out the Dem’s strategy to pass the bill was as bad an idea as the bill itself.

@@

January 20th, 2010
6:49 pm

Everything is worth nothing until a buyer is found.

Obamacare is worth nothing ’cause intelligent shoppers don’t buy pigs-in-a-poke.

mike

January 20th, 2010
6:53 pm

Hey what ever happened to “Public Option Done Deal”.

Does he still come around?

Jay

January 20th, 2010
6:54 pm

If you’re looking for Alien sympathizers, I’d start with Paul and Bosch. They’re always going on about their love for some extraterrestial “Borg” creature called Seven of Nine.

Inquiring mind wants to know

January 20th, 2010
6:55 pm

Jay, you might think this health care bill is better than the status quo, but in survey after survey, the citizens of this country don’t. In fact, just the other day the Washington Post poll said that 58% want smaller government and fewer services. Under those circumstances, isn’t the GOP actually serving our representative republic much better than the opinions of a columnist?

Jay

January 20th, 2010
6:55 pm

He wore out his welcome, Mike.

kayaker 71

January 20th, 2010
6:55 pm

Bed Wet seems to think that the large corporations in this country are the enemy. The corporate big boys that bring jobs, health care, retirement plans, wages and promotions to most of working America. They cut deals with government for their safety, their posterity and their future. They survive in a profit based society that allows those of us who decide we should work for a living to try to excel and give themselves a better future. The system is not perfect. Better than a collective?…. probably so. What is the alternative, Bed Wet? How are the workers of American to survive, provide for their families and their future without the big corporations offering them a chance at the big dream? Do we just throw what we make into the pot and let others who do not think that work is the best thing for them live off of those who think that a good work ethic is the basis for their financial future? You rant and rave about corporate greed, special government favors to large corporations and the unthinkable working for a living but what is the answer? Give me an alternative.

Scott Brown's Nobel Peace Prize

January 20th, 2010
7:00 pm

Ham, Mac N Cheese, Diane Sawyer and more vomit from Congressman David Scott (D) 13th District.

BARF !!!!

Davie my man…. YOU’RE TOAST IN NOVEMBER !!!!

I scoop ;~] Uleak :>o

January 20th, 2010
7:01 pm

If only Hillary had thrown her weight behind healthcare reform…..

Brown’s victory over a woman means that the Palin Effect is kaput.

Oxendine’s son will make a great politician…..some lucky party should scoop him up right away.

Barney Frank is the most easily manipulated interview subject I’ve ever seen. He wears his heart on his sleeve and is too easily discombobulated. They say that if you want to get into show business, then get a puppet. If you want a show on Fox, then interview Barney Frank.

Steve

January 20th, 2010
7:05 pm

When Jay admits the Dem ideas are better he admits to his own bias. For an independent I view the Dems with some good ideas and some bad ideas. The Rep have some good and bad ideas. To be a partisan is to only see the Dems or the Rep as having good ideas. To be an ideologue is to only see the liberals or conservatives as having good ideas.

For example was it good idea to exempt unions from the Cadillac tax. The reason the Dems never saw this coming is because they believe Obama’s 52% of the vote as a mandate. In reality the independents were voting against Rep. Now independents are voting against Dem. My guess is the vote will oscillate until at least one party aligns itself with the voters. Or even better the Dems and Rep will both move closer to the voters and then the voters will get to pick candidates based on qualifications instead of party affiliation or ideology.

This isn’t a war where you must fight to the death as Jay suggest. This is a democracy whether Jay likes it or not. Ignore the voters and the voters will get rid of you.

stands for decibels

January 20th, 2010
7:05 pm

In fact, just the other day the Washington Post poll said that 58% want smaller government and fewer services.

What percentage wanted a pony?

Bruno

January 20th, 2010
7:08 pm

“If you’re looking for Alien sympathizers, I’d start with Paul and Bosch.”

Some of that Alien Traveling music is way cool, though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Sht9nE7Pg

Scooter

January 20th, 2010
7:08 pm

Dang AmVet, you always have a great comeback. Try this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjy2HCdV6BA

TW

January 20th, 2010
7:08 pm

LA – how about a definition for this ‘conservative’ word you throw about?

Seems to me that Ayn Rand would be repulsed by everything from Reagan to the Alaskan white trash who claim to wear the tag today…

Don’t want to pay taxes? Then don’t. But don’t soil what was once a well respected political view.

Lord Help Us

January 20th, 2010
7:10 pm

Gotta say, I cannot for the life of me figure out how such a supposedly safe Dem seat went to the GOP. However, it did and life goes on…

I wish there was a majority in place, both in the public and in Congress, that truly want to help provide health insurance to millions of uninsured, cut the deficit and keep people with pre-existing conditions from being denied coverage.

What part of the ’status quo is unsustainable’ is difficult to understand?

I do not understand how the party of the ‘religious right’ was all for unnecessary war but frothing at the mouth in opposition to helping to insure millions of people that need insurance, cutting the deficit and helping people with pre-existing conditions from being denied coverage (BTW, not my analysis, the CBO’s).

But, congratulations…I guess…

@@

January 20th, 2010
7:10 pm

All liberals in congress wear their hearts on their sleeves. It’s not intended to serve anyone but them. It just looks pretty.

Cupid’s arrow hits the spot….Valentines and candy for all.

p.s. I was gonna say chocolate covered cherries, but that would’ve been misconstrued as racist…..I’ve no doubt, or

inadvertently sexual in nature.

I’m ah learnin’

Scott Brown's Nobel Peace Prize

January 20th, 2010
7:14 pm

Now that the Narcissist-In-Chief POTUS has acknowledged his healthcare bill is toast ——-

I demand that President Obama immediately slash the $400 Billion dollars in waste and fraud he said exists in Medicare/Medicaid.

BACK IT UP BARRY !!

“Crickets are chirping….. Dang it’s quiet…….”

@@

January 20th, 2010
7:14 pm

Coakley’s being a woman had nothing to do with it. Her biggest supporters were older women.

It was her elitist attitude that defeated her.

Taxpayer

January 20th, 2010
7:18 pm

So, where can I find an assessment of what the Republicans had to offer regarding healthcare. Someone substantive. Not just words to the effect that “tort reform will save money”, etc. How about something as detailed and substantive as the Senate healthcare legislation along with a CBO analysis. Something that goes beyond mere rhetoric. Anyone.

Bruno

January 20th, 2010
7:18 pm

We Earthers may have some trouble with the Children of the Sun, however. They’re quite a fiery lot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qSlDZ27BAY

getalife

January 20th, 2010
7:18 pm

She ran a horrible campaign.

“Corporations are pitching a bizarre product — a radical vision of the 1st Amendment. It would give corporations rather than voters a central role in our electoral process by treating corporate political spending as protected speech. If this vision becomes reality, businesses and other big-money players will spend billions either hyping their preferred candidates or running attack ads against elected officials who don’t support their preferred agenda. Voters will be forced into a couch-potato role, mere viewers of the electoral spectacle bought and paid for by wealthy companies.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/10/opinion/la-oe-youn10-2010jan10

We do that now.

@@

January 20th, 2010
7:18 pm

Another thing that defeated Coakley. Her lack of knowledge when it came to facts. It was as though she didn’t need to know the facts, just being a Democrat was fact enough.

She allowed herself to be defeated by a pick-up truck as though driving a pick-up truck was demeaning.

How can you dems even get behind people so arrogant?

Scott Brown's Pickup Truck

January 20th, 2010
7:20 pm

AmVet

January 20th, 2010
7:21 pm

Scooter, thanks. Its why the far righties here loathe me! BTW, your taste in tunes is superb.

Speak for someone else in your tiny yacker vocabulary, troll. You are neither smart or ethical enough to do so for ANYBODY here.

I am self employed. I am pro capitalism. I love this country. I defended her in time of war. She has given me EVERYTHING I have. I would do so again if it were required. I am not like you. I am pro law and order. I ma pro liberty and justice. For everyone.

Most companies, by far, are ethical and beneficial you dolt. MANY are not. If you cannot fathom that this is what the discussion is all about, perhaps this is not the forum for you.

Many corporations, which heretofore have not been, must be accountable to the rule of law, yacker. Nothing more, nothing less.

That white collar criminals not be coddle by you yackers, but when prosecuted and found guilty for criminal activity and fiscal malfeasance they go to prison and make restitution. Again something you yackers want no part of.

Nor BHO and gang. Like you he has no stomach for widespread prosecutions and economic justice.

Just Yacker Amnesty.

That they abide by the Three Laws of Capitalism. (Look them up – I’ll not post them yet again for you conveniently forgetful.)

That they stop sucking off of Uncle Sam’s teats via endless subsidies, massive lobbied giveaways, tax free zones and other equally needless breaks, overseas tax shelters, tax avoidance and fraud. This is fascism.

And needlessly paid for by you and me.

That they pay we the people more than give away prices for the assets given to them. Including rent for the airwaves, land and other resources that they currently are provided gratis or thereabouts. Those are the property of the people, NOT some company that is now shamefully treated as a person.

BTW, Slow Yacker, the founding fathers put NOTHING in the US Constitution about corporations. And every time it was brought up, especially given what had just happened in England, they vigorously opposed it. Read some about this, it won’t kill you.

Now sling back off like you always do…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaI5IRuS2aE

Bruno

January 20th, 2010
7:22 pm

People of the Earth can you hear me?
Came a voice from the sky on that magical night
And in the colors of thousand sunsets
They traveled to the world on a shivering light

The people of the Earth stood waiting
Watching as the ships came one by one
Setting fire to the sky as they landed
Carryied to the world Children Of The Sun
Children Of The Sun

Doing the Democrat SQUIRM

January 20th, 2010
7:22 pm

ouch.

ouch.

ewwwwwww.

jt

January 20th, 2010
7:23 pm

“I demand that President Obama immediately slash the $400 Billion dollars in waste and fraud he said exists in Medicare/Medicaid.”

Chop. Chop. They have already wasted a year. 400 bills would have paid EVERYBODY’S pre-existing conditions.

Novices.

@@

January 20th, 2010
7:23 pm

‘Ya know, Taxpayer, I’ve always believed that more can be accomplished through evolution than by revolution. The people were forced into a revolt. Now let’s see how REFORMING THE INSURANCE COMPANIES can evolve into something more meaningful for the American people.

Incremental steps without the BIG BLOWOUT Democrats were and weren’t seeking.