The Right Rev. Brit Hume points the way to Tiger’s redemption

Jay, you might also tell that to Cynthia Tucker who consistently rails and howls on people for their faith.

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Jay

Document members of the mainstream media going after Christians? You really need documentation of that?

Now that is rich.

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I don’t really have to watch the video to know that Brit winds up making a horse’s ass of himself, do I?

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Is there a transcript around that provides some context here? It sure doesn’t sound to me like a prepared text and it seems to be in response to some kind of question about predictions.

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Brit Hume to Tiger Woods: If you only knew the power of the dark side!

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Christianity does provide a wonderful path to redemption and forgiveness. Something that Mr. Woods certainly needs. This is precisely the most important issue and I appreciate Mr. Hume caring more about Tiger’s life and spirit than his golf game. For those of you who think faith is a waste of time, this comment will never make sense, but then again perhaps you aren’t looking to put your life back together after your family has been blown apart by your sin and selfishness.

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Jay

LOL!!

So only if I can find exact quotes from the people you listed will I be justified in saying that the mainstream media (and Hollywood) has been attacking Christianity. That’s hysterical.

You can stop waiting.

I’m not going to defend Hume’s opinion. And that’s what it was. It wasn’t woven in the story like this:

**Christians have been called “the American Taliban, with one reporter for a Florida newspaper, Bob Norman referring to “evangelical loonies,” and “way-out-there Christian wackos.” In the St. Petersburg Times columnist Robyn E. Blummer wrote that the “religious right” is trying in “Taliban-like ways to inject religion into public schools and the operations of government.**

or this:

the NPR reporter said: “Two of the anthrax letters were sent to Senator Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, both Democrats. One group who had a gripe with Daschle and Leahy is the Traditional Values Coalition, which before the attacks had issued a press release criticizing the senators for trying to remove the phrase ‘so help me God’ from the oath.”

Kestenbaum then went on to say that TVC had not been contacted by the FBI without bothering to explain why they would have, clearly implying that they might be suspects in the attacks. It took NPR a full year to apologize for that slanderous report.

“No one told our reporter that the Traditional Values Coalition was a suspect in the anthrax mailing,” their apology stated, adding that “no facts were available then or since to suggest that the group has any role in the anthrax mailing.”

or this:

Wrote the Boston Globe’s columnist James Carroll: “Even a faithful repetition of the Gospel stories of the death of Jesus can do damage exactly because those sacred texts themselves carry the virus of Jew hatred.”

It’s an opinion. It isn’t part of a story presented as fact.

You are supposed to be a member of the Fourth Estate, Jay. Do you actually have a degree in Journalism? Do you honestly not know the difference between an opinion stated at a round table discussion and injecting dishonesty in the facts of a story?

Or maybe you just want everyone to say what you want them to say when they are giving their opinion. Considering who you work for, I would guess that this is the case.

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Jay B,

I just don’t think this rises to the outrageous outrage level you’ve tried to make it into, but it’s nice to get out of that thread below. Brit also isn’t an anchor anymore.

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Um, I thought I invented “American taliban”.

Did the private’s head just explode?

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Bookman, care to discuss how your colleague is a blatant racist?

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Put 100 of these people in a room. Strap them into gurneys. Inject them with sodium pentathol. How many of them would say “I don’t like the idea of having a black president”? What percentage?

CYNTHIA TUCKER: Oh, I’m just guessing. This is just off the cuff. I think 45 to 65% of the people who appear at these groups are people who will never be comfortable with the idea of a black president.

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Getaclue

**Um, I thought I invented “American taliban”.**

“I thought”

See? That’s where things started going wrong.

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Is Tucker unfamiliar with such Bible passages? She herself provides us with an answer in one of her recent columns:

For many religious conservatives, the issue is simple enough: Leviticus condemns homosexuality as an “abomination.” But the guiding legal document of a pluralistic nation has no business recognizing one religious view over any other. Some denominations — including my own, the United Church of Christ — have no prohibition against same-sex marriages. (A literal reading of the Bible, by the way, poses many a conundrum. Leviticus also orders capital punishment for homosexuals and adulterers.)

That clears it up a little. Tucker, who implies she’s a Christian, appears not to know that the New Testament also condemns homosexuality. For her edification, she should also read Romans 1:18-31, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1: 10; and 2 Timothy 3:3. I’d also recommend Galatians, where the Apostle Paul clears up confusion about the Mosaic law and grace through Jesus Christ:

What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not!

For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Galatians 3:19-25

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Hey Jay, at least conservative commentators don’t make up fake documents to sink a presidency.

Dan Rather much, Jay?

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Jay, what about AmVet calling people “talibaptists?”

Oh wait, AmVet is not a professional anything.

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“At least Huckabee can play Lynyrd Skynyrd.”

Classic.

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Hmmmm. I wonder if Reverend Jeremiah Wright ever told his congregation that the needed to turn to the Christian faith. That other things they worshipped were wrong and would not lead to redemption.

I think we have a president who listened to those messages.

But, but, but…Obama is a Muslim–he studied at a madrassa.

…If anything, I mean — I mean, they kept using it as a selling point that Obama would throw Islamic radicals on their hind legs when they look up and they see someone who studies with [sic: studied at] madrassas and they see the “Great Satan” has a president with a brown face and the world is going to love us. [...]

And like I say, Obama can be doing more than Bush. He is specially situated that way, as having gone to madrassas as a child, not being a white male

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TennVol, Tucker rails on white conservatives on an almost weekly basis. She ignores racists like Jesse, Al, Revvvvvvvvvv Joseph Lowry and Jeremiah Wright but she wastes no time in pointing out any white person who happens to be conservative.

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“NIF can’t be mike, not after scoring one on taxxie’s teeth last night.”

“See? That’s where things started going wrong.”

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TennVol

The core issue was that a commentator gave his opinion during a round table discussion and because that opinion did not jive with the liberal mantra that has been forced on the country for the past 30 years, Jay had to attack Hume for his opinion.

So please explain why I would need to supply opinions of others doing the same thing in order to defend a person’s right to their own opinion? Call me crazy, but this used to be a free country. if it had been woven into a story, I could see the outrage. Conservatives experience that outrage almost on a daily basis, so i could feel his pain. But this was an opinion of how Tiger Woods could solve one of his many problems given by a person, not representing anyone or anything but himself.

So no. I will not be retracting anything I have said. To my last breath, I will be defending the right for Brit Hume, Jimmy Carter or Al Gore to give their opinions.

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Jay writes:

So Tucker and all those other people lecture individuals that their faith is the wrong faith?

I never said that, Jay. Read my comment again. Oh wait, I guess it’s too hard for you.

What I really wrote: Jay, you might also tell that to Cynthia Tucker who consistently rails and howls on people for their faith.

Again, where in that line did I write anything about Cynthia Tucker railing on people for the WRONG FAITH?

Answer: Nowhere

Bottom line: Read a comment before throwing out a question.

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LA – Does Tucker ever say that her faith (whatever it is) is better than theirs and that they should convert? Christians (of which I am one) have a bit of an unfortunate history when it comes to forced conversions.

I have no issue if she selectively calls out conservatives for criticism, just like Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity call out liberals on a daily basis – each side has their devotees. However, saying one faith is superior to others is just wrong (whether it is mine or not).

What would you think if Tiger was a Christian and Brit said that he should become a Muslim to really achieve redemption? Would that be okay?

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TennVol,

A: I don’t care what religion Tiger Wood’s belongs to.

B: I have no idea if Cynthia Tucker says that her faith is better. I never wrote anything about that.

Bottom line: Read before you write.

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Ye all powerful omnipotent God, nice work droppin’ a bullet in a little boy’s head at Church….

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I don’t see anything productive coming from this topic. See you all tomorrow.

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I pray everyday to your false idol to come down and free the World from your ignorance. You are the spitting image of Islamic terrorists. Same story, same tune, follow my belief system or you are damned to Hell. Please, imaginary God in the sky-cloud start the rapture and take these hypocritical born-again inbred retards to la-la land. AMEN!

I hear they have a new target date that’s even sooner than 2012.

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Taxpayer, yeah but you and other libs can’t point to any Christian fanatical groups that blow up innocent people.

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Taxpayer, yeah but you and other libs can’t point to any Christian fanatical groups that blow up innocent people.

Well, now that they’re out of power, there’s just no more need to. Unless some folks try to re-write history, that is. Good Gog man. Grape flavoraid much.

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Liberal answers about Christian fanatics.

1: Tim McVeigh: Where did he attend church?

2: Eric Rudolph: Where did he attend church?

3: The Crusades: Happened over 500 years ago and happened due to Muslims killing 3,000 Christians.

Other than that…………………..

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“First getaclue preaching about patriotism and then about tolerance.”

Amen.

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Taxpayer, then you’ll have no problem showing facts about Christians blowing up buildings, flying planes into buildings etc……….

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LA,

Birmingham Alabama was where a police officer was blown up.

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getalife, by what Christian group?

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Brit Hume said that one can’t redeem oneself as readily with Buddhism as with Christianity. Brit thinks the soul is a coupon.

How about Rush claiming the medical treatment he received is proof that our healthcare system is sound? He didn’t mention how much his examination cost. or what plan he has. Thank Buddha that Rush is okay!

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getalife

[[“First getaclue preaching about patriotism and then about tolerance.”

Amen.]]

I like your message. Where can I send money?

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I’m off the trail with Larry Craig and were converting to buddhism..

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Taxpayer, then you’ll have no problem showing facts about Christians blowing up buildings, flying planes into buildings etc……….

I see your point. It would indeed be a stretch to call the Bush administration a bunch of Christians. Especially that Rumsfeld… and those briefings that he handed over to Bush. Well…shockingly awesome.

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LA,

The pro life group silly.

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getalife, so, a whole group of pro-lifers blew up a building?

You really are grasping at straws!

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getalife, what church did these pro-lifers attend?

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getalife, I can name many more Islamic terror than you can “Christian fanatical terror.”

Example: Christmas Day Detroit Delta attempted bombing.

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getalife wrote: t’s an ideology.

Not a group silly.

Then you’ll have no problem citing what church groups tell its members to blow up buildings and kill innocent people.

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We are safer now than we were with Bush.

And don’t you know that has just got to really get under some folk’s skin. Dick comes to mind.

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Hahaha Paul is still talking about Rev Wright, lol. What year are you posting from??

Doesn’t all the time you spend thinking about the Rev take precious moments away from researching Whitewater?

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Sandy Springs abortion clinic.

The second one was meant for first responders.

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getalife

January 3rd, 2010
4:43 pm

Atlanta Olympic bombing.

LOLOL

Same person.

Again, name AN ENTIRE GROUP OF CHRISTIAN FANATICS WHO HAVE DONE THAT.

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getalife

Sandy Springs abortion clinic.

The second one was meant for first responders.

AGAIN, SAME PERSON.

YOU KEEP POSTING CRIMES COMMITTED BY ONE SINGLE PERSON.

What proof do you have that Eric Rudolph attended a church or that he was a Christian.

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Tillman.

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getalife

You were first, I was second.

Our work here is done.

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Christian sponsored terrorism? The bible has a disclaimer on the last page. Have you ever read it? It says, “No humans were harmed in the saving of this planet.”

I think that says it all.

Isn’t it taking an extraordinary amount of time for the CSI unit in Detroit to examine and publish findings on that jihadist’s underwear? It’s like nobody wants to touch it or go near it. Those photos do look gross…..

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getalife, again, cite ONE Christian church that has aided in terrorism in any way.

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Mainland china promotes the same lifeless, spineless way of life much like the liberals do.

mules for the state and nothing else.

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Liberals have killed more people in world history than any religious fanatic.

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funny how obama propaganda posters resemble Che’s?

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Nixon claimed to be a liberal. the word doesn’t have any meaning from generation to generation much less from country to country.

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Yeah LA! If only their was ONE historical example of Christian armies going across the world to attack other countries and cultures, while being cheered on by the Church. Thank god we’re arrogant enough to only consider our own perspective on what is or is not terrorism. Because otherwise there would be SO MANY examples, and the Crusades, Vietnam and the Iraq War would totes count.

Anyway, now that we’ve laid out the ground rules, no one will ever be able to cite even ONE Christian church that has aided in terrorism in any way. HAHAHA suckers. Nobama.

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No LA.

Eric was a leader of the American taliban.

Now, he rots in prison where he belongs.

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I am sorry to see that Bookman has chosen religion as his “red meat” for the day. By “red meat”, I mean something to snarl and fight over and get lots of action on his blog.

Indeed, Bookman prefers that religious people not give any advice or have an opinion or even use free speech. IT”S PRIVATE. Uh huh..

Why should Brit Hume NOT speak his opinion? He was asked to come there BECAUSE he is a minister and a religious man. If a doctor is invited to a heath forum is he not expected to give medical opinions?

Perhaps Hume thinks adultery is wrong. That betraying marriage vows is wrong. That disgracing his family is bad behavior. If he were asked in general terms about Christian values, should Hume then hypocritically ignore the broken life of Tiger Woods when asked?

Christians do have moral values they try to maintain. They have found that the love of Christ has uplifted them and saved them from some disenchantments (such as those Tiger Woods has discovered). There is also the forgiveness that frees the believer from continuing debilitating habits and guilt. The Christian has unlimited help from the problems of life. Not always to avoid them but to manage to go on with inner help. Christian are subject to freedom of choice just like everybody else .

Thus it was that Rev. Hume might wish a better life for Tiger Woods. Was that bad advice? Hardly. Was it forced upon Tiger? No. .Can Bookman give HIS advice to Rev. Hume? Yes. So can Rev. Hume give his adivce.

Still a free country, Bookman. Still free.

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getalife

I suppose you are correct. How nice, though, that ‘patriotism’ and ‘tolerance’ aren’t mutually exclusive.

LA

[[getalife, show proof of this “American Taliban.”]]

oooh, oooooh, I know!!! I know!!!

Major Hassan?

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LA,

Every once in a while, a new leader of the American taliban shows up.

The last one shot a man in the head.

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What Hume said was that he was not sure Buddhism offered the “forgiveness” that Hume feels Tiger needs. I am not sure it does either. But to my limited knowledge, Christianity is the only faith that teaches “forgiveness” as a human behavior.

I think what Tiger needs is a dose of self discipline. If you cannot control yourself you are a poor excuse for a man. Maybe Tiger should run for Congress, he will fit in nicely there.

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Maybe Tiger should run for Congress, he will fit in nicely there.

The Governor of South Carolina immediately leaps to mind also.

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Hey LA, the problem with “faith” is that it’s all you have, because none of it makes any sense at all. What if your so-called Bible-written by human beings, politicized by human beings, some parts put in by human beings, some parts pulled out by human beings, is wrong? You say it’s the Word of God, but how do you know it? Who translated it from the original language? How do you know the translation is right? How about the Book of James, where he says that faith is not enough? Or do you conveniently ignore that part, much like conservative Christians typically ignore “turn the other cheek”, “love your enemies” and anything else that would actually require them to act like Christ. Essentially, conservative Christians think it’s ok to not act like Christ, as long as “I believe”. Well, tell me, if you don’t act like Christ, how is it that you “believe” in him? Conservative Christians are hateful, angry, mean-spirited people. As simple as that. They are nothing like Christ, and Christ would be embarrassed by the typical conservative Christian (see, for example, the “Rev” Pat Robertson, saying to kill Chavez. Chavez is an idiot, yes, but Christ would never wish him dead) IN fact, if Christ did come back, conservative Christians, in their ignorance, would be lining up to re-crucify him. Please turn to Buddhism, LA, so you can overcome your anger. Can you imagine a conservative Christian acting like the Dalai Lama? No. Never. The Dalai Lama acts more like Christ, turning the other cheek, forgiving his enemies, than any conservative Christian ever did. Brit Hume is just another example of this hatred and ignorance.

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An excuse christians cant use on judgement day: “But Yahweh, no humans were harmed in the saving of this planet….”

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getalife

Yeah, was over at some friends the other night and one of’em (lifelong golfer, as was her father and grandfather) said ‘that’s what happens to golfers when 18 holes aren’t enough.’

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Obama has shortcomings?

Heretic!

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The problem with people of all relgions, but in this country, especially Southern Baptists, is that they think of morality only in terms of sexual behavior. There are worse forms of immorality, including the mass execution of systematic discrimination of one group against another. That could be an entire nation of people (the Germans) murdrering 6 million Jewish people, or white Southern Baptists passing laws to discriminate against black people (don’t forget the chucrchgoing white folks in their Sunday finest going to watch a lynching, and posing for pictures with the corpse while they’re at it). Ultimately, morality is about how you treat people, especially those different from you.

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“Ultimately, morality is about how you treat people, especially those different from you.”

Tolerance, brothers and sisters.

Can I get some tolerance?

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getalife 5:23

It’s a gift for those guys.

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The following are the vows that many Buddhists take. As you can see, as pertaining to personal behavior, there is not much different than what is found in the Bible. Perhaps the biggest difference is the view that adhering to these vows brings about a happy life, now and in the afterlife, whereas it is the violation of these vows that leads to unhappiness and suffering. Ultimately, their practice leads to nirvana-which is not unlike the Christian ‘heaven.”

Reverence For Life
Aware of the suffering caused by the destruction of life, I am committed to cultivating the insight of interbeing and compassion and learning ways to protect the lives of people, animals, plants, and minerals. I am determined not to kill, not to let others kill, and not to support any act of killing in the world, in my thinking, or in my way of life. Seeing that harmful actions arise from anger, fear, greed, and intolerance, which in turn come from dualistic and discriminative thinking, I will cultivate openness, non-discrimination, and non-attachment to views in order to transform violence, fanaticism, and dogmatism in myself and in the world.

True Happiness
Aware of the suffering caused by exploitation, social injustice, stealing, and oppression, I am committed to practicing generosity in my thinking, speaking, and acting. I am determined not to steal and not to possess anything that should belong to others; and I will share my time, energy, and material resources with those who are in need. I will practice looking deeply to see that the happiness and suffering of others are not separate from my own happiness and suffering; that true happiness is not possible without understanding and compassion; and that running after wealth, fame, power and sensual pleasures can bring much suffering and despair. I am aware that happiness depends on my mental attitude and not on external conditions, and that I can live happily in the present moment simply by remembering that I already have more than enough conditions to be happy. I am committed to practicing Right Livelihood so that I can help reduce the suffering of living beings on Earth and reverse the process of global warming.

True Love
Aware of the suffering caused by sexual misconduct, I am committed to cultivating responsibility and learning ways to protect the safety and integrity of individuals, couples, families, and society. Knowing that sexual desire is not love, and that sexual activity motivated by craving always harms myself as well as others, I am determined not to engage in sexual relations without true love and a deep, long-term commitment made known to my family and friends. I will do everything in my power to protect children from sexual abuse and to prevent couples and families from being broken by sexual misconduct. Seeing that body and mind are one, I am committed to learning appropriate ways to take care of my sexual energy and cultivating loving kindness, compassion, joy and inclusiveness – which are the four basic elements of true love – for my greater happiness and the greater happiness of others. Practicing true love, we know that we will continue beautifully into the future.

Loving Speech and Deep Listening
Aware of the suffering caused by unmindful speech and the inability to listen to others, I am committed to cultivating loving speech and compassionate listening in order to relieve suffering and to promote reconciliation and peace in myself and among other people, ethnic and religious groups, and nations. Knowing that words can create happiness or suffering, I am committed to speaking truthfully using words that inspire confidence, joy, and hope. When anger is manifesting in me, I am determined not to speak. I will practice mindful breathing and walking in order to recognize and to look deeply into my anger. I know that the roots of anger can be found in my wrong perceptions and lack of understanding of the suffering in myself and in the other person. I will speak and listen in a way that can help myself and the other person to transform suffering and see the way out of difficult situations. I am determined not to spread news that I do not know to be certain and not to utter words that can cause division or discord. I will practice Right Diligence to nourish my capacity for understanding, love, joy, and inclusiveness, and gradually transform anger, violence, and fear that lie deep in my consciousness.

Nourishment and Healing
Aware of the suffering caused by unmindful consumption, I am committed to cultivating good health, both physical and mental, for myself, my family, and my society by practicing mindful eating, drinking, and consuming. I will practice looking deeply into how I consume the Four Kinds of Nutriments, namely edible foods, sense impressions, volition, and consciousness. I am determined not to gamble, or to use alcohol, drugs, or any other products which contain toxins, such as certain websites, electronic games, TV programs, films, magazines, books, and conversations. I will practice coming back to the present moment to be in touch with the refreshing, healing and nourishing elements in me and around me, not letting regrets and sorrow drag me back into the past nor letting anxieties, fear, or craving pull me out of the present moment. I am determined not to try to cover up loneliness, anxiety, or other suffering by losing myself in consumption. I will contemplate interbeing and consume in a way that preserves peace, joy, and well-being in my body and consciousness, and in the collective body and consciousness of my family, my society and the Earth.

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Jesus obviously suffered from multiple personality disorder, hence the confusion betwixt World religions, he was truly a only child nobody else could handle the guilt trip….

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taxxie- You sound feverish. Perhaps you should rest and try this again later?

All I see is a failure on your part to deliver, Andy, again. A recurring theme, no doubt.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
January 3rd, 2010
4:26 pm
taxxie- I don’t think we can entirely “win” against liberalism. That would be like defeating decay or rot. It’s too pervasive. The best that we can hope for is to score gigantic points on your ass, like NIF did, and beat you into remission.

Provide your evidence, Andy. I know you to be incapable so I don’t kinow why I ask. Then again… Nah… .

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Hiking the Appalachian trail is a flaw of man

Man! That’s a stretch.

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The majority of voters in S.C. don’t much care for Sanford, it’s just that they care for the Lt. Governor even less.

I’m guessing the legislators were aware of public opinion polls when they nixed Sanford’s impeachment.

The people’s governor, the people’s state, the people’s decision.

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If Saten drives out Lucifer, they will be dived against each other’s self interest-unite Christains/Muslims in your hate for the rest of us, your combined ignorance/hate will certainly triumph against love/humanity…

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The people’s governor, the people’s state, the people’s decision.

Yep. Thanx for making my point for me.

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So, to end a debate all you have to do is insult the opposition.

“It amazes me how people cannot comment to each other on this blog without taking swipes at each other like a bunch of non-denominational pagans.”

Not a very tolerant or patriotic group but we are working on that this year.

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Hume is just another buffoon helping himself to a cafeteria of “lifestyle” choices that he calls “Christian” because it sounds righteous on the air.

The con-artist con-servative definition of “christian” is nothing more than moral justification for fleecing the public, lying at will, and doing anything that furthers their own self-interests – and those interests generally have little to do with any faith other than their unending belief that God is the face that is reflected in the mirror when they are trimming their nosehairs.

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The Brit Hume story has legs. The whole christian right revival is gaining traction and the Brit Hume remark is a great litmus test to see how it plays.

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There are very strict rules about sexual conduct in the Buddhist faith. Tiger betrayed those rules. It’s not whether he’s calling himself one religion or another, it’s whether he’s practicing the faith he already has. If he was really leading a Buddhist life, he NEVER would have cheated on his spouse. Surprise: hypocrites come in all faiths…

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In the end the love you make is equal to the love you take….

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If the Democrats lose both houses in November, it will be because of Tiger Woods. He may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back as far as the flight from religion goes. People may be getting fed up with loose sexual morays. Any candidate claiming to be born again may win, just like how Bush got into office.

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PETE
“Surprise: hypocrites come in all faiths”
Agreed–be those ‘faiths’ theological or secular…

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There are very strict rules about sexual conduct in the Buddhist faith. Tiger betrayed those rules. It’s not whether he’s calling himself one religion or another, it’s whether he’s practicing the faith he already has. If he was really leading a Buddhist life, he NEVER would have cheated on his spouse. Surprise: hypocrites come in all faiths…

So, maybe, what Brit was saying is that if Tiger were a Christian, he could have his fun with as many women or whatever he wanted and all could be forgiven. Is that it.

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Love, say scientists, could just be a random chemical reaction in your brain triggered by an old polio vaccine. If there happens to be a woman (or a blow-up doll) around when it goes off, then you’re hooked. That’s why the smart money always keeps Mardi Gras Beads close by.

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There are plenty of us who haven’t graced the inside of a church in a very long time that think that Mr. Woods needs to get a grip on his life. It is none of my business how many ladies that Tiger beds down….. it is none of Mr. Hume’s business as well. How one wishes to live their life is their own business. I have an opinion about Woods but it has little to do with his religious obligations. It has a lot to do with personal responsibility and loyalty to a family and to his children. When you enter a marriage vow, it is usually sealed with some sort of Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddist pronouncement to wish the bond long and happy success. I would wonder why you would enter such a bond under any other pretext. But again, that’s none of my affair.
However, Mr Hume has just as much right to criticize Wood’s behavior and anyone else, if he choses to do so. You might not agree with him but Woods could obviously use some help. His golf skills and his bank account has seemingly bought him what he wants in life. Woods is obviously a very insecure, vulnerable person based on his behavior and it’s consequences. I think right now that if he is any kind of a responsible person, he is most disappointed with the choices that he has made.

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In the end, love is a battlefield

Benetar?

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All that’s needed for a “win” here, is the proclamation by nowhere man that he has b!tch slapped someone.

There seem to be several around here that like to “proclaim” their “wins”. Well, if not for proclamations, what would they have.

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SANA, Yemen — The United States and Britain shut their embassies in the Yemen capital on Sunday, with the Americans citing unspecified but “ongoing threats by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula,” the regional branch responsible for the failed Christmas Day effort to blow up a U.S. airliner headed to Detroit.

And here I thought the world wuz weally, weally gunna wuv us because of our wittle world girlie.

What, did you misjudge them, “geniuses?”

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Are you still sobbing about this taxxie?

Come now, young lady, let’s gather ourselves, k?

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The New Testament was fiddled with over the years so we can’t be sure what Christ said. Stick to the beatitudes and the parables, and you’re probably okay. They think the Lords Prayer was written in the third century by a poetic genius. Who knows.

In fact, even the beatitudes, with phrases like, “Inherit the Earth” was not the way christ phrased it, but rather a reworking of the elaborate tedious phrases that christ used. This is a fact and documented. But the gist of what christ said could be fairly melted down into the phrases we know today.

Fact, Jack.

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Kamchak:

The voters in S.C. obviously haven’t forgiven Sanford’s adultery. They just don’t want Bauer (sp?) to take his place. The legislators were following their lead. You have no way of knowing how they (the legislators) feel about the adultery part.

Your point is, therefore, left hanging. In all honesty I had no idea why you brought Sanford up other than to appoint the fickle finger at a Republican.

Tiger’s life, like Sanford’s is not relevant to mine.

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If we judge Mr. Hume for having an opinion, we must judge the host of people on this blog who daily spew out vindictive rhetoric which far outweighs anything that Mr. Hume said in his interview. Bookman just facilitates the dogfight. If opinion is the enemy, we are all in for a pretty difficult 2010.

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Now we know the depths of Hume’s Christianity: Turn to Jesus to save your endorsement deals.

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Come here Brit, you hunk o’ hunk o’ burnin’ love.

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Jenifer,

I watched the video you provided and it appears that Mr. Hume and Mr. Rove were providing good journalistic commentary on election night. This is not a poor Hume moment.

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A Senior News Analyst on a major Sunday News Program suggesting that a professional athlete should change religions in order to make a full recovery is unprecedented. On the other hand, if he becomes a Christian, Tiger could check into C Street, a fine place for Christian adulterers

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Most liberals think Jesus never said anything controversial or offensive, until you point out things He actually said. Then they love to revert to another favorite argument: “We can’t really trust what the Bible says anyway.”

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I can’t even recall all the sexual scandals involving politicians from both parties.

Just goes to show….I’m just not that into ‘em.

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OK, I got a puke bucket ready (fortunately didn’t need it) and watched the Hume clip.

When it comes to the conned and their foot in mouth disease you just gotta stand in awe of them. NOBODY in the history of the republic can say more idiotic things with a straight face than a die(d) hard BushCo Republicon.

Bless his pea picking heart, Brit the Twit seemingly TRIES not to be a hateful Christian and an agent of intolerance (hat tip John McCain). But like his deranged colleagues and followers, they just seem to always fail.

No wonder Gandhi found these types so repulsive.

I’m not sure what was more hysterical;, Hume doing his Mannly Coulter imitation, Billy Chickenhawk Krystol laughing nervously or the others sitting there saying nothing.

I can only imagine what they were thinking , as in “WTF is it with this guy?”

But it’s all good – these fundies and evanjellyheads are doing more to drive people away from their mythology than any supposed enemy ever could…

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Of course now, this could be the way for Tiger to go.

I know many Christians who go out and do whatever they want on Saturday night…drinks, drugs, lap dances, etc., then they get forgiven on Sunday.

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Well the broadcast matches Jay B’s clip with no shady context shifting whatsoever.

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RW-(the original)

Yeah, I was surprised at that.

What I wasn’t surprised at was the response from the Left. Or at the comments by many who obviously didn’t give any weight to his first two or three sentences.

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PAUL, RW
Y’all don’t belong here. Go away!

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Kamchak:

Had you given me that l-o-n-g list from both parties, I would have no need to question your intent, now, would I?

hmmmmmmm

And just like Bosch, you keep jumping back in the hope that no conclusion will ever be reached — a never-ending discussion.

This one just ended.

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Paul,

The first time I watched the clip here I missed that it starts with a prediction that he’ll recover as a golfer before it went into the salvation part, but after watching the broadcast I went back to the video and was surprised to hear the comment was recorded in it’s entirety. It still doesn’t sound like there was anything wrong with what Hume said and certainly nothing to fly off the handle over. I guess this is the liberal version of poutrage.

……unless they just recently altered the clip….just kidding, Jay B!

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RW

Poking the Bruin, ere ye?

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PAUL, RW
Y’all don’t belong here. Go away!

josef,

We probably do deserve to be banned for our behavior on this thread.

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josef nix

awwww. Okay, I’m leaving. Not Canada. Heard there’s a country for people no one else wanted…

RW-(the original)

Kinda reminds me of an Ann Landers letter a while back. Woman said her boyfriend was raised to respect ladies, he’d held a door open for a woman who launched on him. You know the outrage – sexist, not handicapped, etc. Woman wanted to know what he should have said. Ann said ‘nothing’ (I thought he should have said “sorry, my mom taught me to respect ladies… obviously, I misidentified you)

Point is, no good deed (or good intent) goes unpunished.

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Paul,

If she’s still standing in the doorway there’s a perfectly good way to handle the situation without saying anything.

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PAUL

“awwww. Okay, I’m leaving. Not Canada. Heard there’s a country for people no one else wanted…”

Thought you lived in Texas already…

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josef nix

Good one! I was more thinking of Ferrante and Teicher playing Exodus -

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Kamchak

Sounds all Aztec-y to me.

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psrt

Geez, he didn’t mix religion and politics and youse guys weren’t happy. He did mix religion and politics and youse guys weren’t happy.

Do all Libs live in a perpetual funk?

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Paul

Nah–just a pop-culture reference to a 60’s ad campaign.

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Jay, I bet you bow to the muttlim’s like all your COWARD A$$ ILK do. You loser’s in the RADICAL AMERICAN HATING media(?) and bow to Barry A$$einite Obama knock Christian’s but wet your panties even thinking bad thought’s about those muttlim’s that would love nothing more then killing you, me and every other AMERICAN. Oh that’s right. You scumbag’s are hoping to save your pathetic live’s from the muttlim’s by slandering Christian’s. Not going to work there Jayboob. Your ilk are the first they go after. Ask any muttlim loving journo that was sent home with their head shoved up their a$$, Literally! And if you disagree with me than you Jayboob are worse than Joan Rivers.

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Paul,
I’m Independent.

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Oooh–a pair of ilk cards.

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ilk! Did someone say, “ILK.” Where’s Sarah when we need her. What. What’s that. She only does moose. Oh. OK.

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Taxpayer

Ah yes, the bread thing. You are correct. We’ll always have bread.

I have a sudden urge to watch Casablanca.

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Casablanca. We’ll always have that. It’s a classic, dontcha know. Turner made it so.

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” He needs to look at us rednecks here in GA and how we do things. If we have us a few women on the side at least we can talk about how bad Gay Marriage is and how it’s a sin against God and how we’re not going to stand for it and we’re good Christians and this is a Christian country.”

You mean you voted for Prop 8, Preacher Warren, DADT, DOMA, absent in Maine, pro-Yemini, Afghan nation building Fierce Advocate…?

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K’chak…

“ILK, ILK, ILK, HYPOCRITE, HYPOCRITE.

There–a full house.”

TOO good!

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A preacher begs for 900k and gets 2.4 million.

I think Scott is a con.

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getalife–
Wonder what his buddy Fierce Advocate sent in?

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Yeah, but rumor has it Fierce Advocate earmarked his contribution for the good preacher’s work in Uganda..

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Speaking of women, although I am one, I’m siding with the men on this issue.

Commander softens punishment for pregnancy

Cucolo’s order angered the National Organization of Women and a group of female Democratic senators who called the order “deeply misguided” in a letter to Army Secretary John McHugh and demanded it be rescinded.

They said they feared the policy could deter female soldiers from seeking timely medical care, “with potentially serious consequences for mother and child” and that “the threat of criminal sanctions … goes far beyond what is needed to maintain good order and discipline.”

If women wanna be equal, they should avoid getting pregnant while deployed.

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I am reminded of stories from the Eastern front during WWII…as you know, Russian women served as front line combat soliders and birth control was not as available then as now. Women who became pregnant and who chose to carry to term fought on, delivering often in battle and many are the reports of them cutting the cord, papoosing the newborn to the breast and continuing on. At the next field hospital she would hand the baby over with the proper identification and the baby would be sent back behind the lines to be taken care of in special centers until the mother could come and collect or the infant could be united with family members. These battle zone babies, especially the orphaned ones, had a special status in the post war Soviet society, their mothers, no…they were “just soldiers defending the Motherland…”

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I choose to just sit this one out. A pleasant night to all.

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josef, funny. No Republican gravy train for you, eh?

Conservative parents? My Gawd! I can assure you my childhood wasn’t exactly out of Leave it to Beaver but at least I was spared that horror!

Lemme guess, LameAss, your mammy and pappy had signed pictures of Joe McCarthy and absolutely adored Nixon and Agnew.

The conned apples don’t fall far from the dumass tree…

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The good old days. The days when men could be men and women, women, off the field of battle. And that woman! She looks familiar. She looks like a witch. A good looking witch though.

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AmVet, I can guarantee you that my “dumb ass” conservative parents raised me and my siblings well. All college grads, most served in the military and we all do well in the private sector.

Sorry your life sucks so bad. Maybe Obama can give you some gas money.

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Jay, does LameAss and “dumass” (AmVet can’t spell) count as personal attacks?

Curious because this guy does nothing but name call and you say absolutely nothing.

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AmVet–
GOP gravy train, h*ll…I was working full time at 16. I was charged 20% for “my share” and told that if I didn’t like it, I could move out since I could afford it…I didn’t and I paid up…only later when I did move out on my own at 18 did I find out that Mama had put it into an account for me when I did move out…it was a nice little sum for me at the time and I was able to move out “in style…” I learned a lot from that liberal exercise in paying your way in life…

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This is just plain azzed stupid. Bookman dislikes Brit Hume because he’s a conservative news commentator, so in Jay’s small mind it makes sense to attack him for the smallest of reasons. The hard-left lib’s contradict themselves over and over again while ignoring the important issues.

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LA, been out sick for awhile but I had to answer you on this. Yes, AmVet has a friend here. Me. You should really listen to what he has to say. You might actually learn something. But wait, you know it all all ready, don’t you, you sanctimonious silly child, don’t you?

Back to my sick bed, good night all…

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We, as a country, have a right to believe whatever we want to believe, like it or not. If Tiger Woods wants to be a Buddist , then he has that right . Period. I believe if i was Mr. Hume , i would sweep up around my own porch before i sweep up around someone elses. I would worry about my own self.

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Normal you get well. I’m probably at the other end of the political spectrum form you and AmVet but I like y’all anyway so take care.
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Del, before I close for the night I would like to say that while we may disagree on things (somewhat), I have always respected your views.

Josef, looking forward to it…

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AmVet–
I don’t think I’d make a verty good Christian–that forgiveness thing…I admire those who can, but, welll…it just ain’t in me…and, all my Christian friends who’ll be praying for me, I do appreciate it and thank you. I mean that.

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This is the opposite of what the White House and Congress claimed when they said the stimulus funds would prevent economically harmful state tax increases. In 2009, 10 states raised income or sales taxes, and another 15 introduced new fees on everything from beer to cellphone ringers to hunting and fishing. The states pocketed the federal money and raised taxes anyway.-WallStreetJournal

And now, ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you, federal tax hikes.

A round of applause.

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Mr. Hume obviously does not understand very much about Buddhism. All schools of Buddhist thought teach that all living beings have the potential to realize “enlightenment,” that is to realize the freedom from the suffering of the repeated cycle of birth, death, and rebirth and realize the unconditioned reality of Nirvana that is unborn and indestructible. Buddhism does not believe that any person or living creature is condemned to suffer in an “eternal” hell. Rather Buddhism teaches that there is no “eternal” hell (or even an “eternal” heaven for that matter) and that no matter how evil a person or spiritual entity is, they can never lose their potential for enlightenment- they can never lose their potential to redeem themselves. This to me this is a kind of redemption and forgiveness that goes far beyond what Christianity teaches. I doubt there are many Christians who believe that Satan could ever redeem himself. Anyway, as a Buddhist that is involved in the translation of Ancient Buddhist Chinese texts into English, Mr. Hume’s gross misrepresentation just demonstrates his utter lack of knowledge of Buddhist teachings. I would hope that once Mr. Hume realizes that he has seriously misunderstood Buddhism, he will have enough courage and Christian humility to publicly apologize. We Buddhists will surely forgive him- we all make mistakes.

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Feldstein Says Lack of 2010 Stimulus ‘Serious Cloud’ on Growth

A cloud?

I call it political smoke.

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Yeah, Normie, hang tough buddy. And Del, right back at ya…

josef, me either. Too much of a heretic at heart…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9SYX7TSJ0&feature=related

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Everything is seemingly spinning out of control, hahahaha, for real-

Obama’s plan to close the Guantanamo Bay camp, already set to miss a one-year deadline, looks in deep peril: nearly half of the remaining 198 detainees are from Yemen, where the Christmas Day attack was planned.

Recent deaths of seven CIA employees in Afghanistan meanwhile underscored the political risks and deep human cost of the president’s 30,000 strong troop surge into Afghanistan.-Breitbart

Happy New Year!

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Del–
Before I go any further here, let me say that I respect your dignity around here. It is much appreciated.

As you may know, I am more or less a practicing Jew. We’re supposed to forgive but it’s not a requirement per se. That’s what Yom Kippur is all about and the reason that I do take it seriously. For sins against fellow man, you must get his forgiveness. For sins against G-d, you ask for H-s forgiveness. If fellow man doesn’t forgive you, it’s entered into the book. Same with G-d. My problem with Christianity is that G-d forgives you for sins against fellow man. You don’t have to take the personal responsibility toward those you have wronged. To me, and this is only my own belief and I don’t expect anyone else to subscribe, that makes it too easy. Sometimes I can forgive, sometimes I can’t…

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josef,

That 9:42 of yours opens more worm cans than I’ve ever seen opened in a pretty succinct blog post.

/You spoilin’ for trouble Mister?

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Alice, we’ve arrived at page 4 and I’m getting really good at closing out the past pages.

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md

“This is preached by the liberal faith all the time, You trying to confuse us.”

You are another person I respect. I suppose that is why when it comes to me and belief and faith I do tend to be somewhat more conservative than I am in the socio-political. My grandfather’s teaching here, and one to which I subscribe, was that, yes, we should understand the reason that a person does what a person does, but that is a reason, not an excuse. He said that in our recognition of the reason, we should find temperance in our demand for justice.

RW–
Yes, I respect you, too, believe it or not! And, hey, I’ve been spoilin’ for trouble since last p.m.!

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josef:

Long live The Resolution?

Ohmmmmmmm

Ohmmmmmmm

I know you’re gay, but do it with me…

Ohmmmmmmm

(IW&SH)

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Do you suppose any Houston Texan fans have figured out that the Bengals have sold them out?

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Ohhhmmm, Girlfriend! (no smilie as per your request!)

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“we should find temperance in our demand for justice.”

There are many that expect that temperance to be indefinite, as a matter of fact, they are banking on it.

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Can’t figure it out…what?

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Obviously someone posted the link to this article on clue-free republic or some other extreme-right hate site, with instructions to come here and mindlessly regurgitate the stupid and mendacious talking point that liberals hate religion. What liberals hate is hypocrisy, double standards and sanctimonious craw-thumping blowhards who preach one thing and practice another. I mean, Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Mark Foley, Newt Gingrich, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, David Vitter, etc. etc. etc… HELLO??? All of them are “good holy christian” men with the morals of a sewer rat.

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josef:

You’re not supposed to know what it says. Only me.

Words unspoken.

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For Getalife:

Your dream girl without makeup

Ouweeee!

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My girl with makeup and her best features:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eIuFad-ezD8/R7ldbmiljyI/AAAAAAAABJ8/cFBy579P7w8/s400/pam_anderson_jugs.jpg

Ooweee indeed.

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Buddhism teaches followers to concentrate on their own personal path to enlightenment, so they tend to not judge others choices as much as most Christians. Jesus taught a similar principal, but few evangelicals pay much attention to following those lessons. They tend to believe that the key is to proclaim loudly their believe in Christ as God, then they can treat other people any way they choose.

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I think Brit should try Buddism for a while. Then he might know when to STFU.

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Brit is right.
All religions are NOT the same. Some are better than others. Jesus offers forgiveness and grace. Buddha suggests that you suffer with dignity.

More than that, Jesus teaches that if we see injustice that we step in and do something about it — without violence — even if the personal cost is very high.

The world (and Tiger Woods) desperately needs the message of Jesus.

Good job, Brit.

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Here’s the kicker:
http://western-hindu.org/2009/02/19/how-i-became-a-hindu-part-one/

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Several pieces of evidence point to extreme caution by businesses and households. A regular survey by the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB) shows that recent capital expenditures and near-term plans for new capital investments remain stuck at 35-year lows. The same survey reveals that only 7% of small businesses see the next few months as a good time to expand. Only 8% of small businesses report job openings, as compared to 14%-24% in 2008, depending on month, and 19%-26% in 2007.-WallStreetJournal

obozonomics is working it’s wonders on the economy.

Choking it to death.

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Better get out now. Turbo Tax Geithner needs mo money——-

“Yet new regulations proposed by the administration, and specifically by the ever-incompetent Securities and Exchange Commission, seek to pull one of these three core pillars from the foundation of the entire money market industry, by changing the primary assumptions of the key Money Market Rule 2a-7. A key proposal in the overhaul of money market regulation suggests that money market fund managers will have the option to “suspend redemptions to allow for the orderly liquidation of fund assets.”

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dB -

7:10 – plus ca change, plus la meme chose

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“suspend redemptions to allow for the orderly liquidation of fund assets.”

That is a wise decision. We need to take steps to prevent panic-induced runs on banks, etc.

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If anyone cares, Mr. Hume’s unsolicited remote- marriage counseling/chaplain services did net him Atrios’ coveted “Wanker of the Day” award.

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Well without having the time to sift through days of comments, a clear example of this arrogance is the She-Man Coulter saying she want to perfect Jews.

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It all comes down to morality, and trust me, Christians do not have a monoply in this field. Ask Ted Haggard, he certainly enjoyed “loving ” the whole church.

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Using the Lord’s name in vain for fun and profit, and at risk of going to hell for it.

I just cannot imagine what some folks would do if they thought they really could go to hell. Religion to many is just another hammer to be used to meet one’s needs.

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USinUK,

Glad you’re on the mend. BTW, how’s the health care situation there?

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Good morning, all. Well, I see nobody’s converted Tiger yet. I thought for sure he’d be hearing the call and falling on his knees by this time. Then I check in on Nancy Grace and find out his wife is planning to divorce him and sue him for half of his money.

He must be a stubborn one. All he’d need to do is Accept the Lord and his troubles would be over. Just look what happened to the Rev. Rick Warren. He was broke and asked for $900,000 and got over $2 million in one weekend. You reading this blog, Tiger? Getting the hint? I sure hope so, or else your wife is going to be an ex and living in Sweden with half of your money and the kids to boot. I know the problem ain’t your knee because you got that operated on and fixed, so get both of them on the floor and do what Brit Hume says you should do.

Have a good day everybody.

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Mrs G – there is only ONE FSM (blessed be his noodly appendages) … RAMEN, indeed!

Jen – health care here is fantastic (it may not be perfect, but at least no one goes bankrupt because of an illness) – they’re taking amazing care of my MIL

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My Dick Cheeeney can out shoot your Dick Cheeeney.

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God Damn Rev Wright

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Fox has now officially become the Christian Evangelical network along with being the main propaganda organ for the ever-shrinking Republican party. When Religion becomes political, Politics becomes your Religion.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) calls on all Pastafarians to vote to deny Federal benefits to anyone on a carb-free diet. Why should my tax dollars support those who refuse to be de-lightened?

rAMEN!

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Seems voicing one’s opinion is wrong according to holy than thou bookman! Who by the way doe’snt even practice what he preaches in this very article,giving his opinion about what Hume said and how pompus he is-typical Bookman. It’s ok for him to be judgemental but not others he does’nt agree with!!

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I wonder if this is the kind of “Christian” tolerance that drove ol’ Brit’s gay son (Sandy Hume) to suicide???

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What’s wrong w/ what was said. It was simply Hume’s Opinion of what he thinks will help Tiger to get his life right. He has the right to say it…he didn’t force Tiger to do anything. If Brit feels that this will benefit Tiger, then he has the right and some would say the responsibility to say it (according to the Bible).

Tiger can always say no. So sensitive.

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“I wonder if this is the kind of “Christian” tolerance that drove ol’ Brit’s gay son (Sandy Hume) to suicide???”

Classy

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First of all, what makes you think that God involves Himself in games to determine winners? There is no scripture reference to back that up. He has involved Himself in wars and has decided winners and the scriptures also says he raises and brings down nations, but no word about golf games. It’s a matter of skill and talent and if Tiger refuses to acknowledge the Maker for those talents then that’s up to Tiger. Secondly, God didn’t necessarily let a “Muslim” be president of the USA – He gave you what you asked for, now live with it like the rest of us have to. You can’t even use the context of “judging” correctly – Brit didn’t judge, he offered a path to restoration for Tiger that millions over the centuries have found to be ginuine and true. You should pray about your posting first before putting that garbage out there.

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I find it amazing that an AJC writer would apply the term “God” to a Buddhists’ faith? Buddhism is not even monist, but is primarily atheistic, quoting Torcaso v. Watkins (1961):

“Among the religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God are Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism, and others.”

Again, there is no “personal” in Buddhistic faith… in fact, “personal” needs to be shed in order to reach Nirvana. Not to mention the laws of Karma. Tigers wife demanded that this happen to her because of something she did in a previous lifetime… and this karmic action needs to be understood in a way that the “person” is removed all together and “realizes” that there is no evil or good, no right or wrong. (In the Diamond Sutra, ultimately, the Bodhisattva loves no one, since no one exists and the Bodhisattva knows this: “All beings must I lead to Nirvana, into the Realm of Nirvana which leaves nothing behind; and yet, after beings have been led to Nirvana, no being at all has been led to Nirvana. And why? If in a Bodhisattva the notion of a “being” should take place, he could not be called a “Bodhi-being.” And likewise if the notion of a soul, or a person should take place in him.)

So where as Easdtern religions will posit that is a child is sodomized by a sick family member, that child has done something to build up karmic rape in this lifetime, this action is not really right or wrong as the Judeo-Christian universe views it… and hence, there can be no true redemption for a man in Tiger’s position (pun intended) and no real moral accountability — which is why often those in the West choose Buddhism, as, it [D]eifies themselves.

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One main correction: “American Journal Constitution” should read “Atlantic Journal Constitution” Maybe I should start my own magazine? What a tard I am.

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All WE had to do is get our asses out of their homeland and holy places, and they never would have bothered us. You keep forgetting, the Muslims do not have a huge military presence in the Gulf or Mexico, or fleets off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts of the United States, or hundreds of thousands of troops on OUR borders or inside of the United States at all.

This is the DRIVEL that you fools keep forgetting is the real elephant in the room. And the body count in Afghanistan is because Americans have invaded and occupied someone else’s country.That someone else had ZERO to do with a single terrorist attack on the United States or harmed a hair on an American’s head until we invaded their country.

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Even the number of Muslims killed in the last 30 years so that the U.S. can get at their oil is obscene:

Desert Storm: 56,000 military casualties, 3,500 civilian deaths (not including post war deaths)

U.N sanctions on Iraq 1993 – 2002 – 100,000 excess deaths due to sanctions (1.5 million total deaths, mostly children due to starvation and disease…we blew up water treatment plants because they were considered “dual purpose” because of the common chemicals used to treat water…the result was an explosion of typhoid and cholera in the most technologically advanced Arab nation in the Middle East).

Mogadishu: 315 militia

Afghanistan 2001 – present. 12 -32,000 civilians, mostly women and children.

Iraqi Freedom (2003 – present) 16,000 civilians killed during war itself. At LEAST 100,000 since. occupation. Thats the lowest possible figure.

Vincennes: United States shoots down Iranian civilian passenger plane 290 civilians. Mostly women and children.

Total: 288,000 Muslims killed by American military actions.

Total Americans killed by “terrorists” or insurgents, during the same period? 10,325.

All these figures are deliberately selected as the low end figures.The lowest possible figures.

Yet if you really want to know “why they hate us,” the numbers presented above cannot be ignored. Even if we view these figures with skepticism and discount the numbers a lot, the fact remains that the United States has killed a very large number of Arab or Muslim individuals over the past three decades. Even though we had just cause and the right intentions in some cases (as in the first Gulf War), our actions were indefensible (maybe even criminal) in others.

It is also striking to observe that virtually all of the Muslim deaths were the direct or indirect consequence of official U.S. government policy. By contrast, most of the Americans killed by Muslims were the victims of non-state terrorist groups such as al Qaeda or the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans should also bear in mind that the figures reported above omit the Arabs and Muslims killed by Israel in Lebanon, Gaza, and the West Bank. Given our generous and unconditional support for Israel’s policy towards the Arab world in general and the Palestinians in particular, Muslims rightly hold us partly responsible for those victims too.

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/30/why_they_hate_us_ii_how_many_muslims_has_the_us_killed_in_the_past_30_years

Most right wing whackos tend to ignore the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands and possibly MILLIONS of Muslims who have been killed in the Muslim world because of “American Interests” Which is kiddie code for American Corporate interests, in our interests, at their expense.

It WOULD have been possible to have worked out a foreign policy which would have reflected the MUTUAL interests of Muslims in these regions. However to do so would interfere with the extreme greed of American corporations. Instead of taking 80, 90 or even 95 percent of the national wealth of these nations, they might have only been able to make due with fifty percent of it.

You cannot even state that the American citizen gets a better deal out of doing it in such a way that favors American corporations. It would not cost the average American a red cent more per gallon of gasoline if the Muslims in that region made all the profit and used it to the benefit of their own citizens. This of course occurs with Iran. Iran was still selling oil to other countries after the fall of the Shah, and they were charging the same amount of money as the other oil producing nations.

Of you look closely, most of the nations the U.S. has had major problems with in the last three decades committed one crime against vested interests in the U.S. They NATIONALIZED their oil.

That’s why American policy towards Iraq changed overnight. Saddam nationalized his country’s petroleum. Next, Iran did the same thing. They decided they did not like the Brits and the Americans taking 80 percent of the oil profits, Finally Hugo Chavez became hated. Why. He nationalized his country’s petroleum resources.

Its the same old “How dare they keep OUR oil under their land” syndrome.

Jimmy Carter, the prophet of Plains put it simply:

“We are at a turning point of our history. There are two paths to choose. One is a path I’ve warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self-interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. …”

Carter went on to point out the obvious. The United States could not simply keep taking the natural resources and along with it the national wealth of other nations without having to face the consequences for the theft sooner or later. No different than pulling out a shotgun and shooting someone who just broke into your home, was stealing your television, your hard earned cash, as well as threatening your wife and children. Disguising it as being “in the American interest” does not make it any less theft. The consequences were 9/11 and the events since then.

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[...] that, Hume is being lambasted by some liberal bloggers, including Atlanta Jounal-Constitution’s Jay Bookman who unleashed this venom in a brief three paragraph blog post yesterday [...]

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NJ:

You live on a different planet. The biggest threat in the world right now is Islam.

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No, you are living on a different planet. The largest threat to everything on the planet is the U.S.A.
Islamic terrorism did not occur in a vacuum. It was a response to the USA trying to rob the rest of the world blind, and the current world economic collapse is the proof of that threat.

Its laughable to think that these guy constitute much of a threat at all. They manage to kill a few handfuls of people at a time. The U.S. destroys more than that on a bad day.

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and the ajc further erodes the base of those willing to pay by lending their name to your crap
oh well just another idiot…..god bless you

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“Journalists” don’t proseletize. That any journalist would suggest that one religion or faith is more capable of forgiveness than any other is simply outrageous. The suggestion that “liberal” reporters (rightwingspeak for “anyone who doesn’t agree with our narrow view”)are guilty of anything similar to this is ridiculous.
Anyone who lauds Hume for being a man of his convictions doesn’t understand the need for objectivity in journalism…but then, if you’re a Fox viewer, objectivity probably isn’t a concern.

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To continue, the Palestinians did not respond to the call of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq to rise up and fight the new state of Israel. What they did was get out of the way of the invading armies, rather than try to fight the Israelis. They had no bone to pick with Israel or the Jewish residents of the region, because they had been living in the same areas when the British were in charge, and in general got along fairly well.

It took almost 20 years of broken promises for the Palestinians to start the PLO. The Palestinians were promised a homeland in1947 and they waited until 1967 to form their own organization because the world had failed to honor its commitments. Even then it took another two years before they performed their first act of terrorism, hijacking a plane.

Now lets see, It took fifty years for another Arab to form a terrorist organization and start terrorist acts against the U.S. Bin Laden, formed Al Qaeda fifty years after the United States supported and place in power the Saud Family. A family that was extremely disliked by the average Saudi because of their brutal methods of ruling in the locality that they controlled. Without the United States support, this family did not have the clout to become the ruling family of Saudi Arabia. Fifty years after the U.S. backed this family, almost to the day, Bin Laden announced his campaign against the U.S. But another less noticed anniversary also occurred in that year. It was the 100th anniversary of the founding of the anti Muslim IMRO.

Al Qaeda copies the methods used by IMRO almost exactly. The cutting off of captives heads with a knife was one of the signature terror methods of the Christian IMRO, in one case, decapitating 2000 Muslim villagers. British reporters showed up at the scene (after being tipped off by IMRO which wanted publicity for their terrorism). The stories of IRMO terrorism were front page material for almost a quarter of a century. And from 1929 until 1948, the word terrorism and Jewish were inseparable in the media of the day.

Islamic terrorism has not been around all that long, and in fact, is nothing exceptional. Terrorism of the kind they are involved in has been around for well over 100 years, and in fact, the Muslims don’t even come close to the Christian or Jewish terrorists of their own day.

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This is another example of ripping into someone just because you disagree with them. Brit wasn’t pompous or arrogant in his suggestion to Tiger. He was loving and humble. Yet, we seem to have a society that condones lashing out at anyone if you disagree with their stance. Fact is, Tiger has a problem and needs help. Worldly counselors could help but following Christ is the road Tiger needs to be on. John 14:6 “Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’

Being a follower of Christ may not mean winning everything and gaining riches. Nor does it mean a person won’t make mistakes. But following Jesus is a daily walk that will change your perspective on life, if you’re willing to be willing.

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Towne Cryerson, Maybe you haven’t seen the changes, but the Chinese, Japanese, and the Arabs are holding the money these days.

NJ You need a history lesson. After the USA became independent from the British, our ships no longer got the protection of the British navey. Consequently, as our merchant ships passed through the Mediterranean sea, the Barbary Coast Pirates would raid our ships, enslave our sailors, and comit numerous acts of violence…thus the term “Barbarous.” 12 years later, we got a navy together with certain brave men who were called “marines.” We knew the Moslems were cut-throats, so the marines were issued leather belts to be worn arounf their necks to prevent cut throats. From which, the marine corp hyme “FROM THE HALLS OF MONTEZUMA TO THE SHORES OF TRIPOLI ..” So ignorant one, we have been responding to the barbaric Moslem for over 200 years. Get your facts straight!

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No, its Islamophobes like you who need the history lesson. The western world invented terrorism. The first time the majority of American idiots heard of Islam was in 2001. Violent, hardly, they have only been at terrorism for a few decades at best, while they were the victims of the western world for several centuries, and victims of America since the early 1900’s.

What pisses the Muslim haters off is that the usually placid Muslims got sick and tired of behind screwed by the rest of the world, and they hit back.

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Typo Correction NJ; Late night typing strikes again!

Make that 1788 when the US Navy and marines were established:
“So tell me NJ, what was the religion in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya in 1788 when we created the US Navy and Marine leather necks to protect our peaceful commerce? The Marine corp hymn refers to that time. The Marine title “Leather necks” also refers to that time.”
Our “Western” defense against Muslims goes way back. The original center of the Christian Church was Constantinople. “The Fall of Constantinople was the capture of the capital of the Byzantine Empire which occurred after a siege laid by the Ottoman Empire, under the command of Sultan Mehmed II. The siege lasted from Thursday, 5 April 1453 until Tuesday, 29 May 1453 (according to the Julian Calendar), when the city fell to the Ottomans.” -Wikopedia
Guess what peace loving submissive people invited themselves into Consttantinople?
You see NJ, we have known of Muslim barbarians for more than 200 years. Further, during the second world war, the Muslims sided with Hitler in Africa and the middle east because of their common hatred of the Jews.

So again NJ, please go tell your fairy tales to an inner city public school graduate who might believe them. You depend on ignorance for respect.

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Dear Reggie,
How do you know what God would do? Do you have a special conection? Or are you wise beyond most men?

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Brit Humorme: wants Tiger Woods to join the devil. Is that what he said?

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Let’s see now. How does this work? Jay says, “A person’s faith is a private matter between that person and God, and is not a matter to be judged by some pompous TV anchor.” That of course is Jay’s faith. Accordingly, it should be a private matter between Jay and his god, not a matter to be judged by some pompous newspaper columnist–or, rather, TV anchor. So why is Jay using his public platform as a newspaper columnist to propagate his faith that “faith is a private matter” and to judge Brit Hume’s faith that faith is a public (as well as a private) matter? Either “faith is a private matter” is part of Jay’s faith, in which case by his own standard he should keep it private, or it’s not part of his faith, in which case he doesn’t believe it and he’s lying–or, to put it more gently, he’s being a hypocrite. Here’s the real standard for Jay and other keep-religion-in-the-closet secularists: faith is a private matter between you and God unless it’s our faith that faith is a private matter between you and God, in which case it’s very much a public matter, enforceable by us guardians of public secularism. I think I understand now. Jay’s statement, made privately, would be internally consistent but of no communicative value. Made publicly, it’s self-refuting. And self-refuting statements always lead to absurdity.

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Jay,

I’m an atheist, but you’re still an *ssh*le …

Thomas

Ban Islam now….

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The pompous Right Rev. Jay Bookman judges the “correctness” of the way Brit Hume expresses his faith.

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Mr. Bookman,

I find it hard to believe that as someone who writes for a major newspaper in the heart of the Bible Belt, you think religion is a private issue.

My in-laws used to live in Hall County. When they met someone, the first two questions asked were where do you live, followed by what church do you belong to.

Religion is not a private issue in the South.

Perhaps you need to read up on your major religions. Christianity and Islam commands their followers to go out and convert others. That’s why Christian missionaries worked so hard at converting natives in lands conquered by the European powers. It’s why Islam is now the fastest growing religion on the planet.

I actually know people who believe that if they don’t try to “save” every “unsaved” person they meet (and “unsaved” not only includes non-Christians, but also Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, and other denominations that don’t take the Bible literally), then they will have to answer for that sin at the gates of Heavan.

Even a church as liberal as the United Methodist Church that I attend in the western suburbs of Chicago has a Sunday in which they encourage members to bring a friend, neighbor, or co-worker to Sunday worship, whether it’s someone new to the area, someone who simply has no church home, or someone who soured on organized worship years ago.

If a church like the United Methodist wants its members looking to sherard new followers to the flock, then clearly, one’s Christian faith isn’t a private matter.

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A person’s faith is NOT a private matter. What we are affects everyone around us and has generational impact. Our country was built on Christian faith and the separation of church and state was to protect the church – NOT government. Serving a living God offers hope and eternal rewards, unlike any other faith. Just because a Buddhist wins golf tournaments and a Muslim is president certainly does not mean God is not in control. You will all find out soon enough.

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Funny how when a conservative talks about God he gets hammered for it, but let’s go back to the Clinton administration. When Clinton had that little incident with his secretary he supposedly professed his faith to who? God! Oh yes, Clinton was the perfect Christian! He was praised by democrats for it but when a republican starts talking about it they are smeared. Tell me, what’s the difference?

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[...] The Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Jay Bookman attributed Hume’s remarks to "arrogance," and posited that religious belief "is a private matter between that person and God, and [...]

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