The attack on Northwest Flight 253 was far from a failure

The struggle to defeat terrorism has two dimensions.

The first and most obvious is physical. In the physical world, we must tighten our security measures; we must find and kill those committed to terrorism; we must discourage others from choosing that course of action; we must seek allies in our common cause and deny our enemies safe haven. We have been doing all those things, and will continue doing so.

But the second dimension is psychological. Our enemies cannot terrorize us unless we allow ourselves to be terrorized. Their goal, remember, is not to bring down airliners or inflict mass casualties; those are merely the means they hope to use to achieve their real goal of provoking panic, fear and overreaction.

Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the mastermind of Sept. 11, put it well: “The language of war is victims,” he said. Killing is a means of sending a message.

In that sense, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab succeeded even while failing. The Nigerian engineering student did not bring down Northwest Flight 253; physically, he was foiled by fellow passengers and perhaps his own incompetence. No one died. Yet he and those who sent him must be gratified by the sense of terror and panic he has inspired in some of our fellow Americans.

Take U.S. Rep. Peter Hoekstra, ranking Republican member of the House Intelligence Committee who also happens to be running for governor of Michigan. Hoekstra is a frightened man, and he wants others to share his fears. Within three days of the attempted attack, he sent out a fundraising letter in which he blames the incident on the Obama administration, “the same weak-kneed liberals who have recently tried to bring Guantanamo Bay terrorists right here to Michigan!”

I just love that exclamation point. It’s almost perfect. And I say “almost perfect” because you have to leave room to acknowledge absolute perfection, which Hoekstra achieves later in that letter:

“There should be no partisan rancor when it comes to keeping our citizens safe. Unfortunately, as the Democrat party drifts further and further to the left, their leaders are making decisions that should frighten us all.”

Fear is useful. Fear makes people malleable. Osama bin Laden knows it. So does Peter Hoekstra.

Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina has reacted in a similar vein, suggesting that the failed attack should force a complete revision of the nation’s approach to confronting terrorism, as well as a change in its leadership.

“[S]oft talk about engagement, closing Gitmo, these things are not going to appease the terrorists,” DeMint told Politico. “They’re going to keep coming after us, and we can’t have politics as usual in Washington, and I’m afraid that’s what we’ve got right now with airport security.”

Yes, they are going to keep coming after us. Similar attacks have been launched in the past and will occur in the future as well. Our enemies have not gone away; they have not surrendered and they will continue to probe our defenses for weakness.

But weakness can be psychological as well as physical. These cries of fear and panic come from the same geniuses who believe that putting terrorists into SuperMax prisons here in the United States somehow endangers our national security. They have lost all sense of perspective, and show themselves devoid of courage and judgment. They are not leaders, because no one can or should follow those scurrying in fright.

In his poem “If”, Rudyard Kipling wrote in admiration of those who “can keep your head when all about you
are losing theirs and blaming it on you.” He would not have admired many in American public life today.

488 comments Add your comment

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
10:47 am

“The sovereign State of Georgia could handle all TSA security coming in, or going out, of Hartsfield/Jackson Airport.”

And how would that stop a bomber who detonates his explosives BEFORE the plane lands?

Paul

December 30th, 2009
10:47 am

good morning, josef nix!

four tin drums?

is that like One Tin Soldier?

Jake

December 30th, 2009
10:47 am

Doggone – Yeah, or some would say let Americans take care of Americans and let Americans spend thousands fo lives and more than a trillion dollars trying to get Iraqis to take care of themselves. You must have really enjoyed the failed baptist missionary approach Jimmy Carter had to foreign policy.

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
10:48 am

If you want to eliminate the possibility of being killed in or by a plane, then don’t fly and stay out of the flight paths, approved or otherwise, of all planes.

Sam

December 30th, 2009
10:48 am

robert, enough with the fake outrage. the guys a suspect and I havent heard obama call him an alleged anything…get over yourself.

md

December 30th, 2009
10:48 am

“I think we’d be safer than using what ever personnel is provided by the country where the flight departs.”

I’m guessing Canada and Ireland would disagree considering we have agreements for them to provide security on exit from said countrys. There are capable people in other countrys as long as everybody is on the same page.

Paul

December 30th, 2009
10:50 am

Doggone/GA

Good morning! Was listening to the former head of El Al Airlines (Israel) the other day. They’ve an unparalleled record at preventing terror attacks. US generally refuses to adopt their methods – been discussed here before. But, he was asked about one of the first restrictions the Obama Administration put in place – stay in your seat the last hour and nothing on your lap or getting into the overhead.

His response? “Brilliant. Now you’ve told the terrorists to detonate an hour and a half out.”

Common sense seems to be seriously lacking in the rush to ‘do something.’

md

December 30th, 2009
10:51 am

Paul and SC,

Still want to know why there are no charges filed for 290 counts of attempted murder. This is where the use of civilian courts concerns me. And say what you will about Bush, but my guess is he would have already filed attempted murder charges vs namby pamby charges that so far carry a max of 40 years.

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
10:54 am

“US generally refuses to adopt their methods – been discussed here before.”

Here’s the qustion that occurs to me every time: HOW are we going to pay for it? There is so much objection to paying extra to insure the uninsured, because we “can’t afford it.” Then how can we afford to pay to have our own agents in EVERY international airport, in EVERY country?

And what about trains and buses? What if the terrorists start targeting those? Will we then have to have Federal agents at every bus and train terminal? In the US, Canad, and Mexico?

“Common sense seems to be seriously lacking in the rush to ‘do something.’”

And that is a failing that transcends all political boundaries.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
10:55 am

md

“…then the other party darn well could have done the same with a war they disagreed with.”

Except for one thing, they didn’t disagree with it…it may well have cost Sister Hillary the election, but she never claimed in backstepping that she didn’t vote the way she did and she never made excuses…a rare breed, she. The rest of ‘em want to go whimpering “I was duped…” She simply said she took action based on the information she had at the time…

@@
Thanks for that link…kinda like the fellow myself…

PAUL–
G’morning! I sometimes feel that way, that’s for sure!

Jake

December 30th, 2009
10:59 am

Taxpayer – And if you’re not ready to invade a sovereign nation or two to keep the oil flowing, please park your car!

md

December 30th, 2009
11:00 am

I agree Jo, I just get tired of the side choosers that don’t think their side ever does anything wrong.

md

December 30th, 2009
11:02 am

Its ok Jake, the department of energy was created during the Carter years to ween us off foreign oil. Give them a little time, they say they are working on it. Another 40 -50 years they may have a clue.

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
11:03 am

“And if you’re not ready to invade a sovereign nation or two to keep the oil flowing”

If that’s a valid reason for attacking a sovereign nation…then we attacked the wrong nation at the wrong time. We should have attacked Iran in 1991 when they set 600 oil wells on fire in Kuwait. Now THAT’s an oil issue.

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
11:03 am

Doggone/GA,

We should all just become Federal Agents. Then, we could just pay ourselves to protect us. I’ll bet the DoD would just be thrilled with the increased budget. With all those trillions of dollars, we could invade the world! We could annoint Cheney as the Supreme Ruler.

There. That should keep the followers of the Party of No drooling all over themselves for a while.

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
11:05 am

I’m ready to invade the sovereign state of Georgia so we can drill here drill now and Payless. hehehe. Republicans are so gullible. An education would do them wonders.

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:06 am

i’ve always wanted to be a federal agent. can i start spying on my neighbor? she tends to leave the shades open…

Robert

December 30th, 2009
11:07 am

Sam

December 30th, 2009
10:48 am
robert, enough with the fake outrage. the guys a suspect and I havent heard obama call him an alleged anything…get over yourself.

You get over yourself, and while you are at it…grow a pair. This man tried to blow up our plane and instead of doing what is in the best interest of our country’s safety, we read him miranda rights in his hospital bed, give him a lawyer and now he will disclose absolutely NOTHING. Why don’t you think about innocent people dying instead of giving hugs to people trying to kill us. Typical.

Oh yeah, he did say “alleged”. It’s all over youtube. Look it up.

Jake

December 30th, 2009
11:08 am

md – Reagun screwed the pooch on that one by turning it into his star Wars laser weapon fantasy, like he did with several otheer things.
doggone – Wasn’t that Iraq and Saddam that invaded Kuwait and torched the oil wells in 1991? Bush senior did invade them and American riggers put out the fires too!

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
11:08 am

md
“I agree Jo, I just get tired of the side choosers that don’t think their side ever does anything wrong.”

That set-to I had in here the other day with the one poster who had least had the mmmph to respond, albeit rather naively and with a two-step to make a Cajun dancer proud, Since I don’t give any of the politicians credit for much, and I’m rarely disappointed, every administration has its good points and its bad. We curse Nixon with every breath, and I certainly am no fan, but the fact of the matter is that he did more for the evironment than any before or after and his record on Indian affairs is the best of any president we’ve had before or since…

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
11:10 am

The oil companies would have had US invading Iran, on whatever trumped up charge, long ago but for one costly detail. Their sour crude. Now, isn’t that just sweet.

Jake

December 30th, 2009
11:12 am

Taxpayer – Although it is almost incomprehensible to me, I do realize there are probably millions of Americans that share your kumbaya one happy world of tree huggers vision. If all of you would stop blatherng on about it and actually do something, like parking your cars, it would significantly reduce our dependence on that middle east oil. just sayin’

md

December 30th, 2009
11:12 am

From the “educated” tax guy earlier today:

“No need to fear about whether or not we’ll get dragged even deeper into economic pergatory.”

Where have you been living the past year if you don’t think we have have been dragged deeper into economic pergatory. Bush spent the equity loan and now Barrry has maxed out the credit cards. What kind of funky math did they teach at your school.

TW

December 30th, 2009
11:15 am

How nice to see the Democrat POTUS held to a higher standard than the repug.

No greater proof that the POTUS is once again an adult :)

Thank GOD!

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
11:15 am

“Wasn’t that Iraq and Saddam that invaded Kuwait and torched the oil wells in 1991? Bush senior did invade them and American riggers put out the fires too”

Yep, sorry…my fingers got away with me. And Bush senior did not attack Iraq. Troops were sent into Kuwait, and once the Iraqi forces were over the border the defense was labled a success.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 30th, 2009
11:15 am

President Obama takes the heat President Bush did not

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/31049.html

A sensible read

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
11:16 am

Correction: I said “once the Iraqi forces were over the border”

I should have said: once what was left of the Iraqi forces…”

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:19 am

Sam 10:48

[[enough with the fake outrage. the guys a suspect and I havent heard obama call him an alleged anything…get over yourself.]]

Go to the 50-second mark.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/12/3-days-later-obama-finally-comments-on-attempted-detroit-terrorist-bombing/

“A passenger allegedly tried to ignite an explosive device.”

“The suspect was immediately subdued.”

“The suspect is now in custody.”

Finally, he says “A full investigation has been launched into this attempted act of terrorism.”

More than a few mixed messages in that.

md 10:51

[[Still want to know why there are no charges filed for 290 counts of attempted murder.]]

Well, they did get him for attempting to destroy an aircraft…. Priorities, priorities…

Mrs. Godzilla

Candidate Obama and Congressional candidates ran on the platform Pres Bush mucked everything up and they’d do better. Lots better. So by their rhetoric, the shoebomber deficiencies are a given.

Pres Obama has shown himself to be every bit as incompetent in that regard as was Pres Bush.

Some change.

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
11:20 am

Jake,

My car is parked, right beside my truck and van and motorcycle and tractor and tiller and both lawn mowers. All lined up in a pretty little row. I even keep my tires properly inflated.

My house exceeded the energy savings minimums that the power company required in order to get their lower rate along with a rebate, etc. My twenty acres of woods, except for the patch that I cleared for the house and garden, more than take care of my family’s impact on this here earth. So blah blah blah dude. You don’t know squat about me so at least own up to that fact. But do blather on.

NJ

December 30th, 2009
11:20 am

The problem is that the U.S. has been expecting other countries to foot the bill for watching out for WHO gets onto planes heading for America. The ill will that Republicans have created in Europe is largely responsible for the fact that no one over there is looking out very hard for people getting onto airplanes coming HERE. This is why the make friends rather than play tough guy method of governing works best. You friends will watch your back. Those who thing you are arrogant will go through the motions, publicly bemoan your losses, and laugh behind your back.

The previous administration was told, almost five years ago, that the real rising threat was being directed from Yemen. When Pakistan was telling the Bush Administration that Bin Laden was not in Pakistan, but they believed he had escaped the country, what Americans were not told at that time was that the Pakistani government believed that he was in Yemen, the goal being to open more and more flash points of terrorism that they would simply overwhelm the U.S. ability to deal with them all.

RW-(the original)

December 30th, 2009
11:22 am

Call it like it is & josef,

Jay B does most assuredly like his dead horses beaten well, but what I find remarkable when he goes on one of these tangents is that he seems to weave in something about others being obsessed with the issue into his story line.

TW

December 30th, 2009
11:23 am

DoggoneGA – yup. But then Bush Sr. let the Iraqi people think we’d help them revolt. Yet when they flooded the streets, expecting our help, Sr just grinned while saddam mowed them down like grass to the tune of 100,000.

Guess it’s just something in that Bush blood that can’t stand Iraq civilians.

sick.

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:23 am

until he has all the facts, which he didnt..it is an alleged attack, until he is convicted, he is a suspect. its pretty simple stuff guys…i cant believe this is causing you this much trouble. why dont you go ahead and tell us what he should have said…

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
11:25 am

Yesterday when President Obama spoke, he spoke as President of the United States of America, not as a Democrat, liberal, African American or any such other label…we’ll see what comes of it, but if he will stay above the political haymaking and let the chips fall where they may…

AmVet

December 30th, 2009
11:25 am

For no good reason, I thought I’d check out that paragon of AJC Conservatism (HA!) – Jimbo Wooten.

20 posts in five days? ??? Tsk, tsk, tsk, conned. And ragweed accounts for a big percentage.

Man oh man oh man, the depths that neo-connical relevance has fallen to these days.

Instead of propping up Bookman’s numbers, who can easily get 20 posts in ten minutes or less, you Republifatihful should really think about taking care of your own. You know, charity starting at home and all that stuff.

The old boy’s gonna get a loneliness complex or something.

Besides its a given, that the depth of knowledge and elucidation to be had while reading Reich-winger sites like Jimbo’s is thee single best way to learn the truth about what is actually happening in the world!

After AM radio of course.

Silly “compassionate” “conservatives”.

Just give up while you’re behind. WAY behind…

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:27 am

Sam

And if he’d been captured by US forces in Yemen, in an AQ camp, carrying a gun, would he still be a suspect?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 30th, 2009
11:28 am

Paul

Can’t agree.

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
11:28 am

” But then Bush Sr. let the Iraqi people think we’d help them revolt. Yet when they flooded the streets, expecting our help, Sr just grinned while saddam mowed them down like grass to the tune of 100,000.”

And that made me sick to my stomach. Just as during the Balkan war they made a Srebrenica a “safe haven” and stood by while thousands of Muslim men and boys were slaughtered. That made me sick too.

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:29 am

josef nix

[[we’ll see what comes of it, but if he will stay above the political haymaking and let the chips fall where they may…]]

We had bloggers here who blamed Bush for procurement decisions made by midlevel bureaucrats at the Pentagon and policy decisions made by careerists. Yet to these same bloggers, Obama’s above it all.

Continually amazing.

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:30 am

not sure about that one paul because it would be a on foriegn soil…my bet is he’d be a dead suspect either way.

Robert

December 30th, 2009
11:30 am

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:23 am
“until he has all the facts, which he didnt..it is an alleged attack, until he is convicted, he is a suspect. its pretty simple stuff guys…i cant believe this is causing you this much trouble. why dont you go ahead and tell us what he should have said…”

You still don’t get it. He wouldn’t have had to use those terms if he was not given the same rights you and I have. We are at war with this kid, are we not? Would you suggest we read Osama bin Laden his miranda rights and call him a suspect if we caught him? I see no difference. This Nigerian terrorist is part of the Al Queda organization and we are calling him a suspect. He even said more was to follow, but we will not get to know about this since he now has a lawyer advising him to disclose NOTHING! Like I said, grow a pair.

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:31 am

Mrs. Godzilla

Please don’t tell me you’re developing the habit of making statements with no background explanation.

Kinda like the kid who says to mom “can I go to Susie’s house?” “No.” “Why not?” “No.” “We won’t get in trouble.” “Can’t agree.”

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:31 am

you do the same thing paul…

Jake

December 30th, 2009
11:32 am

Taxpayer – Well I know a little about you now that you shared and it supports my earlier post and my opinion that you are just one of many that enjoys the bounty of American capitalism (lots of toys and acreage too, good for you!) and the security our imperialism and military provide and then you have the gall to criticize the manner in which people like GWB make that all possible for you.

md

December 30th, 2009
11:32 am

TW,

Bush senior did what the UN said he could do. If you want to point fingers, you should at least point them in the right direction.

RW-(the original)

December 30th, 2009
11:33 am

Wooten is still here? I thought he retired

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Anybody that reads that Politico article linked at 11:15 I would offer that there are tremendous differences. Very few people in December 2001 thought GWB was soft on terror as many do about Obama in December 2009. I also heard several conservatives, myself included, say that Obama was right not to jump in front of a camera right away and give this guy more importance than he might deserve, but once Napalatono and Gibbs came out on Sunday morning both saying the system had worked just right he had no choice and that’s when the outrage began to build.

Then we had the Monday morning revisions from the mouth pieces followed by Obama coming out and declaring this guy an isolated and also “alleged” terrorist. Then on Tuesday Obama comes out and says the system was a total failure. (On this one I’ll stand down until I see whether he means it or he’s looking for an angle where he can claim another nugget of his “inheritance”), followed shortly after by his administration sending out notes to the press that this really was an AQ plot.

Not very reassuring on balance.

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:33 am

if you see no difference between this idiot and obl, then you are in fact as goofy as i ’supsect’ you are…and , what do you suggest was said?

Roger

December 30th, 2009
11:34 am

Jay, what kind of cool aid you been sipping on? No Doz & Air Wicks? Wake up and realize there are a group of folks out there that wants to destroy the Western Civilization as we know it. If you were on guard duty- – - how many folks would you let by your perimeter or check point without full scrutiny?

md

December 30th, 2009
11:35 am

Taxpayer has 20 acres? A good democrat would share that with the not as fortunate.

Oh sorry, a good democrat only shares the 20 acres that belongs to non-democrats.

Robert

December 30th, 2009
11:37 am

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:33 am
if you see no difference between this idiot and obl, then you are in fact as goofy as i ’supsect’ you are…and , what do you suggest was said?

I think that if you are a part of a terrorist organization, which this kid was a part of and of which OSB is also part of, gives us the green light to treat him as an enemy combatant with different rights you and i have. It’s really that simple. As far as what he should have said, he should have called him what he is, which is a terrorist, enemy combatant…not a “suspect” who “allegedly” tried to blow up a plane. Again, grow a pair.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
11:38 am

RW

Being something of a compulsive-obsessive myself on my own issues, I can understand the Bruin’s fixations, but I do wonder sometimes if he is cognizant that he’s doing it…

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:39 am

Sam

How does “you do the same thing” relate to my 11:19?

your 11:30

That’s the difficulty I see in the Obama approach. If they are criminals entitled to US Constitutional protections, treated as innocent until proven guilty and all, then what real difference does it make where they’re captured or who captures them?

Sam

December 30th, 2009
11:40 am

this just in, “Obama will invade yemen and armenia tomorrow morning in retaliation for alleged terror suspect’s arrest…” straight off some guys blog, so it must be true..

Robert

December 30th, 2009
11:41 am

Sam, I am through with you. First, you disputed the fact that Obama used the term “alleged”, which you were wrong about. Then you want to pretend to be unconcerned with the whole thing. It is a big deal whenever we are under attack. I guess you are of the thinking that treating him with kindness and hugs would solve the world’s problems. I don’t buy into that belief system, and neither do the majority of Americans, so bye.

RW-(the original)

December 30th, 2009
11:42 am

josef,

Maybe it’s our fault. If he can’t get us (collectively on the blog) to fall in line and agree with him he thinks he can change a few words and perhaps we will.

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:42 am

Sam

Pres Obama’s already invaded Yemen. Old news.

md

December 30th, 2009
11:43 am

My understanding is that retalitory strikes are being planned. Technically that would be a strike on a sovereign nation. But definitions do tend to change depending on perspective.

Rightwing Trolls

December 30th, 2009
11:44 am

Since you nut sacks are cheering about Obama “losing” the war, I feel I need to remind you that Obama’s “losing” the war equals American soldiers dying.

Do your partisan feelings and need for Obama to fail really outweigh the lives of American Soldiers? I mean isn’t enough that he’s bungled the whole healthcare thing, and his admin is basically finding it’s “heckuva job Brownie” moment over this whole undie bomber dude???

Why cheer on the deaths of American soldiers???

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

md

December 30th, 2009
11:47 am

“Why cheer on the deaths of American soldiers???”

Out of curiosity, did you post this same question during the Bush years? If so, good for you, if not, why not.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
11:49 am

PAUL

Say anything against him and watch the fall out…had one in here the other day jump on me saying that I was every kind of racist in the book and that “he couldn’t do anything you would like because he’s African American and Harvard…etc…” because I took him to task over his hypocritical b*ll on one of my issues. She completly ignored the fact that I had just come out swinging supporting his addressing the school children…as Hillbilly (I think it was) posted the other day “…still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest…”

Dr. Alan Phillips

December 30th, 2009
11:52 am

The initial reaction that the systems worked well, is a confession of incompetence and condescension on the secretary’s part to a majority of the American flying public. To merely modify a statement some 24-48 hours later to tell the true story due to public pressure is a confession of an administrator in denial. One has to give the White House credit for transparency and the initiation of an investigation. let us hope that investigation is quick and results in the President making the necessary changes to protect this nation.

The “Brownie, your doing a heck of a job” moment was ludicrous during the Katrina days. It resulted in the forced resignation of the incompetent bureaucrat. Let’s hope this “the system worked” moment will produce a similar result. There are people who can do this job we need to find one.

RW-(the original)

December 30th, 2009
11:53 am

I hate to be overly cynical here but with the Christmas Eve announcement that we the American people would now be on the hook for unlimited bailouts to Fannie and Freddie coupled with the middle of the night announcement that we were being fleeced for another 3 or 4 billion for Government Motors, getting blustery about tightening security holes might be just the thing Obama needs for political cover.

/So much for my standing down like I claimed at 11:33…{–Thought I’d save the libs some time.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
11:56 am

RW

You may recall once when I was defending him I said he reminded me of the boy back in high school who wanted to be a one of the “cool kids” but was never sure whether or not they really did think he was one of the crowd so he always said what he thought they wanted to hear…here he is with a blog getting hundreds of clicks a day from one of the most diverse bunch you’d ever hope to see in one place, and still…

md

December 30th, 2009
11:57 am

Jo,

I agree that every man should receive credit where credit is due. And in saying that he came out with a strong statement – but it was not his first statement, and there in lies the problem. And as the CEO, his underlings reflect on him, and Napalitano appears weak to far too many. And trying to PC the defintions shows that politics are involved, and doesn’t scare too many terrorists.

RW-(the original)

December 30th, 2009
11:57 am

For anybody that got an ebook reader recently here’s about a quarter million free books

You can also read them from your computer if you want. Just don’t try to do either in the last hour of your flight.

Paul

December 30th, 2009
11:58 am

josef nix

okay, my comment’s awaiting moderation. Let me try this with a few substitutes:

josef nix

Gets old, doesn’t it? I find it especially interesting that Candidate Obama specifically excluded race from his campaign, Pres Obama has largely ignored the racial mantras of the past, yet when he faces criticism, it’s his supporters who invoke the ‘racist’ charge.

Seems standard operation procedure for the farfarlalaland Left. Criticize the performance of an African American? You’re racist.

Question gay marriage? You’re a homophobe.

Question abortion? You’re a right-wing Bible thumping nut.

Question spending policies? You’re a rightwing militia white extremist.

In each case, it’s an attempt to avoid a discussion of issues and slander and intimidate one’s opponent.

All to common and all too sad.

Rightwing Troll

December 30th, 2009
12:00 pm

Well to be honest with you, I didn’t blog much back then, so no.

I can tell you I was never happy with the moonbats glee over American Soldiers dying, and never will be. As a matter of fact my younger brother almost lost his life to an IED outside Fallujah in 2003. I have always supported the soldiers, and never cheered their losses.

But I’ve had plenty of opinions about the Iraq war, and those who’ve started it and those who prosecuted it…

Afghanistan? We absolutely needed to be there, and the ball was dropped there BIGTIME to go to Iraq. Now look at the mess it’s in and the mess Pakistan is in.

To be fair, there’s nothing anybody could’ve done to avoid how things have turned out in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but we could’ve killed the man who attacked us and been on our merry way to let the savages do as they pleased with their own country. And perhaps, just perhaps, if OBL was removed from the equation, Pakistan’s situation could’ve been avoided. Yes he would’ve been martyred, but what’s a more powerful symbol to rally around, a martyred fighter, or a charismatic leader who defeated the great satan?

I’m jus sayin…

md

December 30th, 2009
12:02 pm

Paul,

Here, here.

Hear, hear.

Whichever you prefer.

The side choosers don’t really care about the country, as long as their side “wins”.

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
12:05 pm

“Yes he would’ve been martyred, but what’s a more powerful symbol to rally around, a martyred fighter, or a charismatic leader who defeated the great satan?”

There’s more to it than just that. What a lot of people forget, or maybe don’t know, is that OBL is (or at least was) an extremel rich man and he funded the operations of Al Qaeda pretty much out of his own pocket. If we had gotten him “dead or alive” the control of that money would have passed into other, and presumably safer hands and been unavailable to fund terrorism.

That wouldn’t have stopped it, but it sure would have put a BIG dent in it.

md

December 30th, 2009
12:08 pm

“But I’ve had plenty of opinions about the Iraq war, and those who’ve started it and those who prosecuted it…”

But you also want to point fingers at only one “side”, when there were many democrats on the intelligence committees/ etc that could have sounded the alarm and not voted in favor.

Didn’t happen.

DoggoneGA

December 30th, 2009
12:13 pm

“that could have sounded the alarm and not voted in favor.”

That’s quite right, but the bottom line is they gave Bush an AUTHORIZATION to go to war, not a command to do so. The bottom line is: HE made the decision, they just enabled it.

And before you try to get started on ME, I have said here many times that if I had the power to do it I would have tried as traitors EVERY Representative and Senator that voted yes on that resolution. Not because it resulted in a war against a country that did not attack us, but because Congress abdicated it’s Constitutional authority to declare war…and gave it to an incompetent President.

The bottom line, for ME: *I* knew he would abuse that authority. They are supposed to be intelligent people, why didn’t THEY know it too?

Rightwing Troll

December 30th, 2009
12:14 pm

Sigh!

from this very thread above:

““Hindsight is NOT wisdom, and second-guessing is NOT a strategy.”

In other words, let us not dwell on my monumental lies and mistakes…

Dear God, the man INVADED a country and the house of reason he used to do so was built on lies and outright deception. (go ahead and bleat on about how the dummycrats voted for it as well, but it was he and his administration that made the case for it, it was not Hairy Reed or Nasty Peosi who proposed we do this, it was W and his merry band of NeoCon Armchair warriors)

So, unfortunately we MUST dwell on this lest it happen again…”

So yes I’m finger pointing, and yes you are right to call me on it.

The Dummcrats in congress were W’s co-dependent enablers on this whole Iraq matter.

My mea culpa… where’s yours?

md

December 30th, 2009
12:22 pm

Mine?

I’m a firm believer in the corrupt 2 party system (which means I believe they are corrupt). I don’t trust any of them, haven’t for a long time. They are playing a game and we are the pawns. As it stands, the only way for us to “win” is to clean house and start over (not gonna happen) or vote in balanced gov’t which may, just may, keep them in check. But the dummy voters keep voting for their “side”, and we all get screwed.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 30th, 2009
12:23 pm

While the kenyan ranks right up there with our very WORST presidents I must say I feel more safe with him in control than that drunken fool, Biden.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
12:28 pm

PAUL

Hear, here! (how’s that for compromise)

“Seems standard operation procedure for the farfarlalaland Left. Criticize the performance of an African American? You’re racist.”

Nevermind that as they take off, they preface and punctuate their accusations with the most vulgar and stereotypic references to their targets, impugning their race, region of birth, socio-economic class, housing, educational backgrounds…which, if you replaced them with the infamous n word, would lose absolutely nothing in the translation…

Question gay marriage? You’re a homophobe.

Yep…and that said you can take off like yesterday or on the Crist thread with all the snicker-snicker you want…

Question abortion? You’re a right-wing Bible thumping nut.

And if you dare try and see both sides of the issue by listening to those who have actually confronted the matter on a personal basis…

Question spending policies? You’re a rightwing militia white extremist.

You mean the current administration’s spending policies or the previous admininstration’s? Uh, which is which?

Southern Comfort

December 30th, 2009
12:31 pm

md

I don’t have an answer for the lack of attempted murder charges. I’m hoping that some young DA who’s hungry for action gets to sit in and is able to persuade those in charge to add the counts to his charges.

Any terrorist we can catch here and isolate in prison can not reach out and convert any others. Any terrorist killed on the battle field can not reach out and convert any others. If we can manage to cut off financing and recruiting, we can take them out once and for all.

“I’m guessing Canada and Ireland would disagree considering we have agreements for them to provide security on exit from said countrys. There are capable people in other countrys as long as everybody is on the same page.”

That works if and only if the last part of your statement is true. All it takes is one rogue element to allow something to pass thru. It doesn’t matter whether it’s in the US or abroad. If it happens here, we have the ability to put that person on trial and administer judgement and punishment as warranted. If it’s abroad, I don’t know if we have the jurisdiction to do that.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
12:32 pm

Outhouse Go-Kart

@ 12:23

Unmentionable calls Copy Me Biden Fierce Advocate’s insurance policy! :-)

md

December 30th, 2009
12:36 pm

“Any terrorist we can catch here and isolate in prison can not reach out and convert any others”

Not too sure about that, we have many young gang members in prison that are very persuadable and not too happy with the good ole us of a, if they could be persuaded to join a gang, I could see them joining another “cause”.

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
12:40 pm

gone upstairs

Rightwing Troll

December 30th, 2009
12:44 pm

You’re not switzerland…

You helped one side or the other with electoral gains, whether you voted or not…

Regrets???

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
1:01 pm

What kind of funky math did they teach at your school.

No “funky” math for me, sister md. Mine is the real thing.

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
1:06 pm

then you have the gall to criticize the manner in which people like GWB make that all possible for you.

Try paying for the mess that only a Republican could deliver onto us, tool. The gall is in supporting the Party of No’s insistence on war mongering, tax cuts fo rthe wealthy, drug company giveaways, etc., and charging it all on the People’s Bank of China and then complaining about it afterwards. Republicans are such losers.

Taxpayer

December 30th, 2009
1:09 pm

Taxpayer has 20 acres? A good democrat would share that with the not as fortunate.

Oh sorry, a good democrat only shares the 20 acres that belongs to non-democrats

Or you could just work for your own. But if you ever need something to eat, just let me know. I always share my crop with others. It’s just the correct thing to do — not be greedy, that is, and pay my own way.

Dusty

December 30th, 2009
1:16 pm

Well, I guess there’s a new topic Anyway…

Paul @11:29

You are amazed at the postings of far left bloggers here. I have passed amazed. I am now in disgust.

josef @12:28

Your listings were perfect. Lefties here seem to have a protocol they follow every day. You gave us the usual examples. Every day they give us “The Tie that Binds”, an old hymn title on a different” tie”.

Bill Orvis White

December 30th, 2009
1:35 pm

Once again, clueless Liberal Jay doesn’t get it. He’s one of the many Secular Progressive September 10th McFlys who are waving the white flag of surrender to those who wish to destroy us for our values and freedoms. People like Liberal Jay say that the agencies that were appointed to handle cases like this Underwear Terrorist, were created during the Honorable GW Bush administration and that they are to blame. Wrong. Mr. Nobama is completely responsible for this incident because he failed to listen to the information provided to him from this terrorist’s father. While Mr. Nobama was going off on high-priced dates to New York City, this terrorist was plotting and planning. So, he struck on Jesus’ birthday when Mr. Nobama’s pants were down, earplugs in and blinders on in a tropical paradise. Mr. Nobama and his entire administration put us at risk the day he and that Godless staff were installed into power. They should have resigned months ago. So, what should happen next? Impeachment and then a quick removal of the problem followed up by a special election where we all know that either Mr. Cheney, Mrs. Palin or the Honorable Mike Huckabee will come to power to clean up this Godless mess.

God Bless, BOW

josef nix

December 30th, 2009
1:53 pm

DUSTY–
Those were Paul’s listings—I was just reacting…

md

December 30th, 2009
1:57 pm

“You’re not switzerland…

You helped one side or the other with electoral gains, whether you voted or not…

Regrets???”

Yea, I reget that there are so many blind followers of the 2 parties. I vote as an independent, so no I’m not switzerland, but I am part of the swing vote. And the last time I voted a straight party ticket, I was a democrat.

I finally shed the blinders and now at least think I can see better.

Ever wondered why there is such a thing as a rich democrat? If they believed their own bs, they would share their wealth and be quite happy living a life in moderate comfort.

They don’t – they play the suckers, and I got tired of being one.

Rightwing Troll

December 31st, 2009
7:18 am

That’s a start…

I’ve voted straight ticket once, straight down the board, any incumbent was voted against… it didn’t work, especially here in GA…