Detroit terror attempt reverberates politically

In Iran, the crackdown grows ever more brutal as the government desperately seeks to suppress dissent. In Washington and capitals around the world, attention focuses on Yemen’s increasing role as a terrorist haven. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano reverses her rhetoric, acknowledging that the attempted terror attack on a Northwest Airlines plane exposed gaps in security.

And Republican leaders such as Rep. Peter Hoekstra, ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, leap to politicize and dramatize the Detroit incident, trying to blow it up into an indictment of the entire Obama approach.

“This is an international movement of radicalization. The Obama administration came in and said we’re not going to use the word terrorism anymore, we’re going to call it man-made disasters, I think downplay the threat from terrorism,” Hoekstra said on “FOX News Sunday”.

“In reality, it’s getting much more complex,” he added. “Radicalization is alive, it’s well. They want to attack the United States, that threat is here in the United States… Homegrown terrorism, the threat to the United States is real, I think the administration has downplayed it. They need to recognize it, and identify it, and realize you have to defeat it.”

Terrorism has become part of 21st century life. But Hoekstra’s nonsense aside, there is no evidence that the administration has failed to recognize, identify and address the threat it poses. Nobody ever raised a “Mission Accomplished” banner or suggested that the danger has receded. This is no more the “fault” of the Obama administration than the shoe-bomber Richard Reid was the “fault” of the Bush administration.

We know that terrorists are going to continue to try to attack us; they will do so for years to come. This is a long-term struggle against determined foes, and it’s ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

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I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 28th, 2009
11:19 am

But Hoekstra’s nonsense aside, there is no evidence that the administration has failed to recognize, identify and address the threat it poses.

Well, except for the part about allowing a known terrorist with a bomb on an airplane and then having your first reaction to the incident be that the “system worked.”

Notice how the more remarkably stupid the dummycrats get, the more it becomes the Republicans fault?

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
11:20 am

“Rep. Peter Hoekstra, ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee,”

Hoekstra? Intelligent?

getalife

December 28th, 2009
11:23 am

The blame game begins but what does it accomplish when they reward failure?

Lance

December 28th, 2009
11:24 am

Brownie is doing a good job – Bush
The system worked – Napolitano

You discuss.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 28th, 2009
11:24 am

If a Republican said this “system worked” he would have been roundly vilified by the state run media and if a dummycrat says the “system worked,” the Republicans still get roundly vilified by the state run media.

mike

December 28th, 2009
11:28 am

“And Republican leaders such as Rep. Peter Hoekstra, ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, leap to politicize and dramatize the Detroit incident, trying to blow it up into an indictment of the entire Obama approach.”

Because god knows Democrats and liberals like Jay would never do such a thing.

Of course the politicization of this attack is disgusting, but folks like Jay only seem to note this behavior when a Republicans does it. The hypocrisy is laughable. The left spent eight years politicization every serious issue from Katrina to terrorism. If you think that politicization issues like terrorism is wrong, then don’t do it. Otherwise shut your piehole.

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
11:29 am

As I just said on the previous thread:

Islam is not just a relgion: It is an economic, religious, judicial, educational, political and military system. We ignore that at our peril.

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
11:29 am

Too bad the heroic guy who saved the plane is from Amsterdam and is in the film business.

If only instead he were a Joe Six-Pack, the republicants could have hired him in 2012 to write candidates Palin/Beck’s foreign policy and tour with them on the hate-in circuit.

mike

December 28th, 2009
11:30 am

“Brownie is doing a good job – Bush
The system worked – Napolitano”

They were both poorly timed and phrased statements that mindless partisans puff up to attack the people they did not vote for.

mike

December 28th, 2009
11:31 am

Jenifer –

“If only instead he were a Joe Six-Pack, the republicants could have hired him in 2012 to write candidates Palin/Beck’s foreign policy and tour with them on the hate-in circuit.”

You whining about the “hate” others? LOL. Look at your mindless partisan vitriol and evaluate yourself, hypocrite.

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
11:35 am

I give Obama 8 years to START to clean up 8 years of the Bush Crime Family’s carnage, wars, and messes, much less 30 years of Reagan’s Trickle Down fantasy based economic policy based on greed de-regulation, and helping the top 1% rape and pillage.

neo-Carlinist

December 28th, 2009
11:36 am

of course the attack will be “politicized”. politicians do not care about “defending the homeland”. politicians care about the opportunity to make political hay. if anything, I think this recent attack highlights to failings of Bush’s “global war on terrorism” AND Obama’s flawed attempts to build a better mousetrap. the problem is, nobody in DC really wants to trap mice. So, let’s keep playing “I know you are, but what am I?” and keep taking off our shoes and surrendering our rights and dignity to the DHS and TSA, and all the while, terrorists are themselves making better mousetraps.

@@

December 28th, 2009
11:36 am

jay, it’s Obama’s inconsistent approach that calls his competency into question. Can you say “civil rights”? It’s a well-known fact that AQ’s manual instructs insurgents on how to go about using them to their advantage. And Obama complies.

Blame Game

December 28th, 2009
11:37 am

So who is at fault? Did this flight no originate in another country. How much blame is the US in for this incident? Do we get all the blame or does Amersterdam? Does that fact that this was not another 9/11 help the situation?

There is plenty of blame to go around. Im thing is this wasnt 9/11 which happened under Bush.

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
11:38 am

“Look at your mindless partisan vitriol and evaluate yourself, hypocrite.”

No, you’re not. Just misled.

Right On

December 28th, 2009
11:39 am

Jenifer: Great post. You hit the nail on the head.

jasper

December 28th, 2009
11:40 am

I thought terrorism was supposed to go away under the Obama enlightenment. That was the general idea I got from mainstream media prior to the election, you know, it was “Bush’s war on Terrorism”, so with Bush, et al gone, we were lead to believe by every self loathing journalist in the land, that Obama was ushering in a new era of peace through communication and improved enunciation.

Its not the Republicans who are indicting Pax Obama, its the Muslim terrorists. Remember we never called the IRA terrorists just terrorists. Sup wi dat?

Right On

December 28th, 2009
11:41 am

I as a tax paying born and raised American want to see my goverment work for the people. And by people I mean the middle class. We can blame this person or that administration but I want action. Leave the finger pointing to the schoolyard kiddies. This is grown up business that needs to be handled now.

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
11:42 am

To neo-Carlinist :

The is “some” truth in what you say. My mouse trap would be:

Enemy combatant.
Captured in the act.
Out of Uniform.
Interrogated.
Shot at dawn by military firing squad.

Instead he will get ……….

Civilian criminal status.
Advice of rights.
CAIR spokesman.
Big time attorneys.
Food, shelter, medical care.

………….. my real regret is that there weren’t a couple of Air Marshals on board to put one right between his eyes !

Jess

December 28th, 2009
11:42 am

Jay, did you actually believe that a terrorist attempt to bring down a passenger plane on American soil would have no political consequence? I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel for topics in order to avoid the mess this government is making of our country.

Right On

December 28th, 2009
11:45 am

Jasper: Your post was just jibberish. What in the world are you talking about? Bush was the one that declared Mission Accomplished. Please send me a link that shows Obama saying under him the world will be at Peace.

You say mainstream media. Well Fox is mainstream. Remember they are the ones with the highest ratings. They are the most popular news channell on TV. THEY ARE MSM. Get some real facts and come back to the blog with something of substance to add to the debate.

Thank you!

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
11:45 am

“This is grown up business that needs to be handled now.”

The grown ups are in charge once again.

Right On

December 28th, 2009
11:47 am

Jess: The flight originated in Amsteramdam not on US soil. Are you saying the US is at fault 100%?

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
11:49 am

Jenifer:

The “wimpy” grown ups.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 28th, 2009
11:51 am

Well, we need to get somebody that knows what he’s doing to head up DHS. Not this Napoleon woman. I wonder what Brownie is doing these days? He might could be just the one we need to protect us.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
11:52 am

Obviously I have nothing else of any great importance on my plate right now, so on with the blow-hard, self-imported show…

Politicizing the issue, terrorism, is about as constructive as a swarm of termites…the terrorists couldn’t care less who’s in the White House or to what party they belong. and it’s really just one more parlor game to play while contemplating Armageddon…

Now, as far as the reviews of the inept shennanigans of this, that or the other political figure, now there’s a fun time to be had by all…forget the partisan bickering and enjoy to circus…those most involved with the actual implementation of security procedures, evidently, have been doing a pretty good job of it, going about their daily task…

Right On

December 28th, 2009
11:52 am

Common Sense: What makes a person non-wimpy? Going to war against a soverign nation because you supect these are the people that tried to kill your daddy. But under the disguise of these are the people that brought down the towers. Add to that war the fact that you dont care how or who will pay for it. Yes! That sounds just like the most macho man in the world.

T

December 28th, 2009
11:54 am

You mean to tell me we haven’t killed all the terrorists. Or scared them with shock and awe. We have yet to win all of their little hearts and minds?!?!? Dang!

.

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
11:56 am

josef:

Regarding your second paragraph I agree 100%. That’s why it was so foolish, naive and ignorant for private Obama to come in and tell them it would all be o.k. now …………. he remembered the Muslim calls to prayer as a child ………. he would listen to them …………. he understood their real concerns ………… he would be different.

And he hasn’t learned a thing ……….. except maybe how to surf.

md

December 28th, 2009
11:56 am

“Are you saying the US is at fault 100%?”

The kids own father warned US officials – take that as you will, but in todays environment, no way I’m letting him on an international flight without a thorough search.

Right On

December 28th, 2009
11:59 am

But MD whose job was it to do a thorough search. He was not on US soil when he boarded the flight. No one on this blog will acknowledge that fact.

Speaking of warns what about the warnings Bush got about 9/11. Lets investigate that. All of those flights originated in the US. Those were US cities to US cities.

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
12:00 pm

To Right On:

A “non-wimpy” person is one who plays football instead of sitting in front of the t.v. bashing the quarterback, one who becomes a police officer instead of calling for one in the middle of the night, one who becomes a Marine instead of pontificating about how to fight infantry battles, one who becomes an Air Marshal and makes those 5:30am flights day after day instead of complaining about TSA ……………. I could go on but I think you get the picture …………. but if you’re “wimpy” you won’t.

Right On

December 28th, 2009
12:05 pm

Thanks for your response CS. But please do tell why the people in charge now are wimpy? I thought Bush was the wimpiest president ever. Go pick on a country your own size.

jconservative

December 28th, 2009
12:07 pm

All this terrorist discussion is a bunch of nonsense. Look, we are under attack by Islamic terrorists. We have been under attack from some terrorist organizations since the 1960’s. And this will not end in any of you guys lifetime. It is here to stay.

But this cannot be allowed to become a problem that dominates our society. Hell, 37,313 people were killed on US highways in 2008.
In 2001, you remember 9/11 & 3000 deaths don’t you, US highway deaths were 42,196. Then it went up to 42,815 in 2002.

85,011 deaths on our highways in 2001 & 2002 & no one raised an eyebrow.
Then the 9/11 attacks, 3000 people killed, and the country goes nuts.

Look, we do not need to “just accept” terrorist attacks. And we do not need to “just accept” highway deaths, but we do. Terrorism is a problem, but it is not a BIG problem. For the past 45 years we have done a really good job on terrorism. We have done a lousy job on highway deaths the last 45 years.

Which is the biggest problem – 37,000 deaths or 278 deaths?

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
12:07 pm

Observation:

This terrorist almost brought down “one” plane over Detroit.

Can you imagine what would be going on in this country if we instead were having to evacuate one of our major cities (maybe for several years) because it had been contaminated by a “dirty bomb”?

We had better wake up folks ……… this is war ……. someone is working on that right now ……. we had better stop them before they get over here. Whatever it takes.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
12:10 pm

md

You make a point @ 11:56 on a detail that, to me, is the most unsettling of all. This is not Obama’s (or Bush’s!) blame, but falls squarely on the United States Embassy in Abuja…your own daddy in a traditionalist society “turning you in” is a red flag bright enough to attract the attention of any Joe Shmo on the street in any society anywhere in the world…those are the ones there who should be being brought up for answering in dereliction of assigned task…

common sense.. I will agree with you entirely, but at the same time that is just so much of Janus’ Evita show…all in all, he’s quite insignificant and so is his hot air when it comes to dealing with the real problem…all hat and no cattle…

Right On

December 28th, 2009
12:10 pm

JCon: Thanks for putting that in perspective. Your rational is dead on. Thanks.

jt

December 28th, 2009
12:12 pm

.Just google operation cyclone if you don’t believe it—-

Just like Afghanistan, the hand of the US and the west has been on the Chechen conflict, agitating, providing propaganda and covert suppport for terrorists. Former US National Security Adviser and arch-Russophobe Zbigniew Brzezinski worked out the plan of Bernard Lewis for the encirclement of Russia/the Soviet Union, aimed at eventually breaking up both. I

t was part of the plan to use Islamic fundamentalists first to orchestrate a military defeat in Afghanistan, then move to the Balkans and Central Asia. Their media has been calling these kidnapper/terrorists freedom fighters and separtists, trying to give them legitimacy…inviting them as honoured guests to Washington and London, harboring them when necessary. The terrorist internet site kavkaz center is located in the west.

*****

Zbigniew Brzezinski revealed a hidden Fact that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the public and American Congress that President Jimmy Carter secretly authorized $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and “de-stabilize” the Soviet Union… The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4 billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means “student”).

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
12:12 pm

Right On:

You’re hopeless.

However, have you ever learned to fly a very high-tech military fighter jet? It is very dangerous work (check out the accident/death statistics for military pilots in training) in peacetime let alone in war. I didn’t agree with everything he did as President but George W. Bush was such a pilot. In my eyes, that puts him in the “non-wimp” category ……………… now “community organizers” ???

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
12:15 pm

“Lunch Break”

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 28th, 2009
12:16 pm

It’s true this flight originated in a foreign country and they were responsible for screening the passengers. Perhaps it’s time we had our own people screening flights headed for our shores. We are the ones who suffer if someone like this guy succeeds, so we should take action to protect ourselves. It’s my understanding that Israel already does this. I don’t fly so it doesn’t affect me directly but of course it affects us all in one way or another and I’d feel better knowing the TSA people did the screening, rather than depending on the competence of a foreign country. Some foreign countries may do a very good job but others may not.

I agree with the others who say it makes no difference who the President is. These people want to destroy us and they view Obama the same way they did Bush or Clinton, as the Great Satan.

And you can love or hate George W Bush but he was right about one thing, they only have to be right once; we have to be right every time.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
12:16 pm

Common Sense–
Yeah, and the Carpetbagger Prince saw action in Occupied Alabama…flippant, but fact nonetheless…

Right On

December 28th, 2009
12:18 pm

Common Sense: Personal attacks are not needed here. Im hopeless. You dont even know me dude. I asked a simple question and you have yet to provide a simple answer. What makes the people in charge now wimpy?

Wow Bush was pilot. Man that must make him Iron Man or something. Being a war monger does not make you a macho man. Being able to use your words and get the same outcome makes you a better man. Wimpy, please trying having twins all natural. Please!

Jess

December 28th, 2009
12:18 pm

Right on,

Flights to the US are screened by US government employees regardless of their origin.

md

December 28th, 2009
12:18 pm

Right on,

Yes, the flight originated in Amsterdam, but the US issued his visa. We are in charge of those we issue visas to. Figure it out and fix it or people will die. And cut the blame game crap – do a little research and you will note that the 9/11 hijackers were all issued visas and most had come over here and returned on Clinton’s watch. I’ll hold the ceo accountable, but I’m not naive enough to believe it was a one sided booboo. That partisan crap does no one any favors, including the ones spewing it.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
12:23 pm

My brother was a fighter pilot…hardly qualifies him as for POTUS
I was a community organizer in my youth–hardly qualifies me for POTUS

We’re both pompous windbags–now there’s a qualification… :-)

neo-Carlinist

December 28th, 2009
12:23 pm

Common Sense, forget about Air Marshalls. This guy tried to kill people and the people he tried to kill did not kill him. Air Marshalls protect airplanes (airline assets). Individuals are responsible for their own personal protection.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 28th, 2009
12:23 pm

I heard a report that this man bought a one-way ticket with cash. If that’s true, that should have set off an alarm bell somewhere.

Disclaimer

Admittedly I’m no expert on international travel. The only foreign country I’ve been to was Canada and that was in the days when you just answered a couple questions and drove across, although I was once subjected to a 30 minute vehicle search. Maybe I looked suspicious. ;-)

Dinner time in the hills.

Right On

December 28th, 2009
12:24 pm

MD: you are right. I have been offering my one sided view of this incident. I needed to in order to balance out what the other side has been saying on this blog all morning long. This incident was minced meat compared to the porter house steak that was 9/11. So ok, how are we going to fix it? Blaming Obama and Nap.. is not going to cut it.

Hillbilly Deluxe

December 28th, 2009
12:25 pm

We’re both pompous windbags–now there’s a qualification…

Will you forget us “Little People” once you assume the throne?

:lol:

Bosch

December 28th, 2009
12:26 pm

Block @ 11:29,

You could easily substitute “Christianity” in that sentence. This is about extremism – not religion. Religion extremists everywhere use it as a tool to advance their beliefs into society in a vain attempt to control others and to attempt to advance this control to form their ideal society without any regard to those different than them.

Jackie

December 28th, 2009
12:29 pm

@Common Sense

SALUTE!!!!!

You and I both know that anyone who goes to any military school has documentation of that schooling that are matter of public record. Further, the information that would verify Pres. Bush’s military service and record would be on his DD-214, right?

Second, can anyone determine when he was commissioned as a 2nd Lt. because all press accounts indicate his flight school attendance was that of a 1st Lt. Strange.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
12:33 pm

Hillbilly–
To h*ll with the little people, d*mned midgets never did anything for me, why should I do anything for them? :-)

Mr. Snarky

December 28th, 2009
12:34 pm

Of course the repubs politicize any terrorist attack…when you only have one card, that’s what you play

@@

December 28th, 2009
12:34 pm

When Getalife thinks of Amsterdam, he thinks of drugs and prostitution.

Whenever I think of Amersterdam, I can’t help but recall the vicious murder of Theo van Gogh back in 2004-5(?)

Mohammed Bouyeri repeatedly shot Van Gogh in 2004 on an Amsterdam street, slit his throat and thrust into his chest a letter threatening the life of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, an outspoken critic of radical Islam, who fled Somalia to avoid Islamic oppression of women. After the murder, Mayor Cohen (a Jew) set out to mend the divide between Muslims and the Dutch community.

Mr. Cohen says he is not religious but holds meetings with religious groups because religion has come to play a greater role in the largely secular Netherlands. He believes Muslim clerics are a key to helping Muslims integrate into Dutch society, although the most conservative clerics oppose this.

He also promotes meetings among Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders because, he says, “there is a lot of anger against Israel” over its treatment of Palestinians. Asked if this affects his own role, he said: “It’s hard to say. Undoubtedly there are people who say, well the mayor is a prejudiced Jew.”

The mayor and Mr. Aboutaleb, a trusted ally, have received death threats and now have bodyguards. A letter pinned to the body of the filmmaker called Mr. Cohen an enemy because he was a Jew and called Mr. Aboutaleb a traitor to Islam.

Some people just don’t get it.

Bosch

December 28th, 2009
12:35 pm

As I said yesterday, color coding the terrorism alert level is just empty rhetoric designed to appease the masses. Security officials everywhere need to be on ‘red” alert at all times. And calling this a “war” is also empty rhetoric. This isn’t a war, this is a new way of life.

RB from Gwinnett

December 28th, 2009
12:35 pm

“I’d feel better knowing the TSA people did the screening, rather than depending on the competence of a foreign country”

I personally went through 7 TSA operated airport screenings with a .22 bullet in my computer bag and nobody noticed, so you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t share your confidence in the TSA. In my opinion, the only thing they’ve done is make us all replace our holey socks for fear of embarrasment and keept our shampoo off planes. But if you feel better, good for you.

Oh, and they’ve made the real terrorists think of something else they can get by the idiots at the screening stations. Maybe like getting a job at a screening station and letting your buds by, getting a job working in a terminal and giving your sushi knife It’s really not that hard.

Shaking down grandma so you don’t upset Abdullah ain’t getting it.

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
12:35 pm

“The “wimpy” grown ups.”

No, the wimpies are gone, finally.

GoingBroke

December 28th, 2009
12:36 pm

BTW.. Where is our “fearless” leader on this issue?

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
12:36 pm

BTW–where was his entry visa issued?

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
12:39 pm

“we had better stop them before they get over here.”

You haven’t left yet?

The Professor

December 28th, 2009
12:45 pm

CS @ 12:12, Have you ever been on the streets of the Southside of Chicago?

godless heathen

December 28th, 2009
12:51 pm

This terrorist has been charged with crimes that might give him 40 years in jail. He’s been Mirandized and lawyered up. No intel to be gained from him.

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
12:56 pm

To josef:

Yes, he did fly in occupied Alabama (and had the dangerous training to do so) which is more than I can say for “community organizer” man. If your brother was a fighter pilot (in a war or not) you should know that.

To Right On:

LOL !! Give yourself “two” purple hearts. P.S. I was not attacking you …….. I don’t do that. Just trying to be funny.

To neo-Carlinist :

Remember about 2 years ago when the two Air Marshals filled that guy full of holes just because he wouldn’t take his hands away from his backpack? The plane had already landed. That’s what I meant ! P.S. Air Marshals protect their lives ……. not just “assets”. Remember, they’re on the plane too !

To Jackie:

I guess we’ll get the Lt.’s original DD214 when we get the private’s original birth certificate.

To Jenifer:

……….. and believe me when I say that I’m proud that I fought for my country for you to have the right to say whatever “you” want. Enjoy!

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
12:58 pm

To The Professor :

Yep, and a lot worse places in my 37 year military and law enforcement career.

“Being” there is one thing …….. having to actually “physically” deal with the perps is another.

Did you teach or handcuff ??

Hard Right Hook

December 28th, 2009
1:03 pm

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
11:35 am
I give Obama 8 years to START to clean up 8 years of the Bush Crime Family’s carnage, wars, and messes, much less 30 years of Reagan’s Trickle Down fantasy based economic policy based on greed de-regulation, and helping the top 1% rape and pillage.

This reminds me of the George Carlin sportscaster “Bif Barf,” whose famous line was “I call ‘em as I see em, & if I can’t see ‘em, I make ‘em up.”

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
1:03 pm

common sense

I was being flippant, of course, but serious enough at the same time. I wouldn’t vote for me or him based on either of those qualifications…if we’re looking at dangerous jobs as a qualification, then we need to go get an Alaskan crab fisherman, ranked as THE most dangerous job…

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
1:04 pm

“To Jenifer:

……….. and believe me when I say that I’m proud that I fought for my country for you to have the right to say whatever “you” want. Enjoy!”

Thank you for your service. I will.

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
1:05 pm

After the Oklahoma City bombing, were people named McVeigh and Nichols prevented from entering federal buildings? Or named Timothy and Terry? Or people with a Mc in their last names? If not, would that have helped? Of course not. Most people named Abdul or any other Arabic or Muslim names are law abiding. Though it can put safeguards in place, no government can completely stop insane people from doing violent, reprehensible acts. It is, unfortunately, the price we pay for a free society. As Ben Franklin so aptly said, “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
1:10 pm

“This reminds me of the George Carlin sportscaster “Bif Barf,” whose famous line was “I call ‘em as I see em, & if I can’t see ‘em, I make ‘em up.””

Did you make that up?

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
1:10 pm

josef:

I thought it was electric power lineman?

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
1:11 pm

Jenifer:

You’re welcome.

Taxpayer

December 28th, 2009
1:14 pm

I was thinking about selling terrorism insurance up here in north Georgia cause well got a bunch of skeered Republicans around so it ought to be a good market for it. Where does that “common sense” wimp live. I bet he’d buy some terrorism insurance.

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
1:15 pm

Jenifer:

If the “Mc’s” were a world-wide political/religious/military movement responsbile for about 99% of the terrorism going on today the answer is ………….. yes.

By the way, are you scared of snakes ?

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
1:16 pm

Already have it …………. pleanty of “official” training and ammo.

Taxpayer

December 28th, 2009
1:20 pm

Well, since $650 billion annually to the DoD doesn’t guarantee us a terrorist-free environment, I guess we’ll have to raise taxes and get the DoD some more money to protect folks on airplanes and in tall buildings. Maybe they can just build a real tall security fence around the US. I figure about five miles high should protect against most terrorist threats as long as we don’t let ‘em purchase wire cutters.

@@

December 28th, 2009
1:23 pm

Russia’s Foreign Ministry, in a statement on its Web site on Dec. 28, said Russia is “concerned by the events that have been taking place in Iran in recent days” that have exacerbated the Iranian political situation, adding that the ministry regrets the “false reports” about Moscow’s alleged involvement in Iran’s domestic political processes. The Foreign Ministry statement goes on to say Russia is sure the false reports are “being done by those opposed to the development of Russian-Iranian cooperation, those who are trying to cause damage to the friendship and understanding between our peoples through such provocative actions.” The statement continues: “We have not interfered and are not interfering in Iran’s internal affairs, or those of any other state for that matter. We are sure that the Iranians are capable of sorting out their problems and hope that they will successfully overcome them.”

Now why would Russia AND Iran point the finger at US? /snark

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
1:23 pm

common sense…

There’s nine of us!

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
1:23 pm

Taxpayer:

Please don’t take this unkindly. I really don’t mean it that way ……. but I hope your brawn is as good as your blab if you are ever on a plane like that with serious problems. Those passengers will need you !

Common Sense

December 28th, 2009
1:24 pm

md

December 28th, 2009
1:25 pm

Right on,

How to fix it. The million dollar question.

Personally, for starters, no more electing anybody that has a resume as a career politician. And no politicians of any kind running homeland security. That job needs security professionals, not profesional politicians.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
1:28 pm

you said “electric power lineman…” thought you were referring to one of my brothers who I probably have mentioned was one on his way up in the Southern Company ..so what was that in reference to?

Jake

December 28th, 2009
1:29 pm

We’re at war and there’s going to be casualties. We’ve got so many wimps whining about invading sovereign nations it’s a wonder we’re still fighting.

Taxpayer

December 28th, 2009
1:31 pm

Common Sense,

I hope you don’t take this unkindly but I sure hope I’m not ever on a plane with you and a terrorist. You sound like you would either John McClain everyone except the terrorist or else try to talk him to death.

The Dogfighter Returns

December 28th, 2009
1:31 pm

What’s the big deal? I thought republicans were against big government. :) :)

What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps? :) :) If it is good for welfare mums it is good for every one else. Everyone should be able to take on a terrorist on their own. That’s the American way. Every man/woman for himself/herself. They just a bunch of confused goat herders. not harmful at all.

Call wall street i am sure the bankers have a derivative to deal with these “terrorrists.” Those guys on wall street have a solution for everything.

Just hire blackwater to search every flight before you fly. I am sure you can afford the bill. Who needs the government anyway? :) :)

well you are on your own.

You want better security from your socialist government? :) :)

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
1:33 pm

md @ 1:25

I would agree…

Taxpayer

December 28th, 2009
1:33 pm

By the way, we need to quit invading sovereign nations. It is just so wrong in so many ways. Of course, that’s probably why Republicans like to do it so much.

Southern Comfort

December 28th, 2009
1:42 pm

“You sound like you would either John McClain everyone except the terrorist or else try to talk him to death.”

I don’t care who you are, that’s funny as hell.

Jake

December 28th, 2009
1:44 pm

Taxpayer – I agree, we should stop invading them. It would be much better just to nuke them. That’s a bad idea for Iraq because the oil would become irradiated, but it would be fine for Afghanistan, kill all those Muslims and irradiate the poppies!

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
1:47 pm

“By the way, are you scared of snakes ?”

Only the two-legged ones.

Jenifer

December 28th, 2009
1:51 pm

Everyone with an (R) after their name should be profiled & scrutinized. The feelings they have against our government…

Tom

December 28th, 2009
1:52 pm

We are going to have another “incident.” Not “if” – but “when.” Impossible to stop it. We do the best we can. (???) Nothing much in the way of “security” was ever accomplished under “Bring it on” alcoholic BushDrunk & gang. All talk – and regurgitation about non-hero “Ace” McShame. “Stormin Norman” – other delusions of manufactured GOP fantasy. 1950 minds dealing in 2010 reality. Yup.

md

December 28th, 2009
1:52 pm

“By the way, we need to quit invading sovereign nations. It is just so wrong in so many ways.”

Funny how a partisan such as yourself doesn’t seem to include Pakistan as a sovereign nation, or do you? If you think its wrong, say its wrong, but quit trying to be partisan about it.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 28th, 2009
1:53 pm

Everyone with an (R) after their name should be profiled & scrutinized. The feelings they have against our government…

Hey! I can hear you over here.

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
1:54 pm

“This is no more the “fault” of the Obama administration than the shoe-bomber Richard Reid was the “fault” of the Bush administration.”

Well, Jay, you tried…but from the looks of it, nobody’s listening…

md

December 28th, 2009
1:54 pm

“Everyone with an (R) after their name should be profiled & scrutinized. The feelings they have against our government…”

I’m in favor of abolishing both parties, but you do know your own partisanship is just as scary.

Taxpayer

December 28th, 2009
1:55 pm

What if the oil companies find out one day that irradiated oil yields more gallons of gas per barrel. Well, at least we won’t need lights at night because we all know the answer to that one. Money talks.

Jake

December 28th, 2009
1:55 pm

Jennifer – I think a return to McCarthyism and rounding up the commie sympathizers would be more beneficial, don’t you?

josef nix

December 28th, 2009
1:56 pm

jennifer–

Not to stir up a stink, but has this current administration done anything you disagree with? Did the previous administration do anything you agreed with?

Taxpayer

December 28th, 2009
1:58 pm

Funny how a partisan such as yourself doesn’t seem to include Pakistan as a sovereign nation, or do you? If you think its wrong, say its wrong, but quit trying to be partisan about it

I’m not being partisan. I just don’t like the GOP or anything that they have come to stand for and I’ll say so as long as Jay lets me. So there.