Hero of Flight 253 recounts terror attempt

Geez, when even the state run media admits, you’d better start worrying-

Even though the economy will likely keep growing, the pace is expected to be plodding. That will make employers reluctant to hire. Further contributing to high unemployment is the likelihood of more people competing for jobs, baby boomers delaying retirement and interest rates edging higher. -Urinal

Yeah, so let’s saddle We The People with gigantic tax hikes from our lovely health care obomination.

duh

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With one of the busiest travel periods of the year coming just two days after an attempted terrorist attack aboard a Northwest Airlines flight, travelers around the world prepared for long security lines and unexpected safety measures designed to surprise terrorists. -Urinal

Why do I know that this means that more elderly Americans will be getting strip searched?

Or that some little toddler will have her bottle ripped from her hands and emptied onto the floor?

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Abdulmutallab, who had a valid U.S. visa, appeared on the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment database maintained by the U.S. National Counterterrorism Center, said a U.S. official who received a briefing. Containing some 550,000 names, the database includes people with known or suspected ties to a terrorist organization. However, it is not a list that would prohibit a person from boarding a U.S.-bound airplane.-Urinal

Well, of course it wouldn’t.

What’s the big deal having ties to a terrorist group?

As far as we have our heads up our rear ends, Jasper Schuringa is lucky he didn’t float down to Detroit in pieces.

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8:44 is a start, SoCo, you on the list, you no fly with civilized people. Row, row, row your boat if you want to go to Detroit.

Plain and simple common sense.

Try it some time.

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Whiner

Are you on the list? You seem to use quite a few of those buzz words in your posting. Are you sure the NSA or FBI aren’t watching you?

You talking about trying common sense? Where are the hidden cameras, because I know I’m on some hidden camera show. This must be America’s Funniest Internet Postings Show or something.

hahaha

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Usually these europeans are a little quicker to act because Americans have to FIRST consider a potential lawsuit.

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One last thing off-topic before running–the dead-tree Sunday AJC had a pretty good side-by-side comparison of what’s to be reconciled between the House and Senate HCR bills.

The same thing appears to be posted here online although it is, inexplicably, not side-by-side…

http://www.ajc.com/business/a-comparison-of-house-257201.html?cxntlid=daylf_tpcr

Just fyi.

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sfd- Believe me, I pre flight profile at the gate and on the tarmac before take off. I usually know where the air marshall is by their attire and carry on bag. Knowing full well the lack of seriousness and PC ignorance our government is inflicted with, I plan on taking matters into my own hands, should the need arise.

No flaming exit for the Reporter, if I have any say in it.

Saw a dude in a turbin on one flight, in the row next to me, start praying upon take off, and also noticed that several American women were also praying.

I relaxed and enjoyed the flight.

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Carefull SoCo and dB….

When I suggested something similar yesterday I (yes dear sweet old Mrs. G) got accused
of being a vigilante…by folks who wouldn’t commit to at least try and stop the bad guys from
lighting up!

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Whiner: The tone of your post makes it sound like you are looking forward to a whole body strip! Let’s make sure you are on the anal search list! Now are you wanting to pay for increased security?

jt: Americans aren’t considering the legal ramifications, but are worried about there own individual safety. While we talk big (Bomb, bomb, bomb,…) most non military Americans would wait until someone took care of it for them. We’re both chicken and spoiled.

Thank God that the passengers and crew are safe.

Would you be happy on going on vacation, you are thrust into a position repeatedly answering the same questions (and some of them dumb)from the media?

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SoCo

It would be just my luck to be traveling with my best purse (a gift, I’d never pay that!).

I pity the terrorist who forces me to beat him about the head and shoulders with my 10 year old coach bag.

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here’s an interesting take….

Obama and his team obviously prefer a far more mature, strategic approach. It’s about projecting a sense of calm and control. It’s about choosing not to elevate some lunatic thug who set himself on fire.

Indeed, notice the pattern throughout the year. The Obama administration has taken out Saleh al-Somali, Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, and Baitullah Mehsud, while taking suspected terrorists Najibullah Zazi, Talib Islam, and Hosam Maher Husein Smadi into custody before they could launch potential attacks.

In each case, there were no high-profile press conferences, no public chest-thumping, no desire to politicize the counter-terrorism successes. Indeed, most of the country probably never heard a word about any of these developments.

It’s about competent and effective leadership, and it’s what the country was sorely lacking up until 11 months ago.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_12/021643.php

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Jay, I want to congratulate you on being the only blog manager of actually working this weekend. Wooten posted once but the others are on vacation or furlough it seems. Maybe you drew the short straw….but it is appreciated.

Mrs G: No disrespect, but I’m not sure I want to see someone naked on an airline flight! Besides, sitting in the molded plastic chairs at the gate before departure may have a “chilling ” affect!

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Dutchman? Nah, it had to be a red-blooded American!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 27th, 2009
8:34 am

Grow up and get real! Maybe they should recruit you to shape everyone up and implement fool-proof procedures. The sheer volume of government work is overwhelming.

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Remembering Todd Beamer, hero on Flight 93.

Remembering Tianamen Square

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AmVet –

“As I said earlier, the worst of these Old White Guys from Dixie are just upset that the attempt wasn’t successful”

What an ignorant and hateful statement. Haven’t been here in a while, but it is nice to see that mindless partisanship is still driving folks to view any serious national problem as an opportunity to demonize people who don’t share their narrow minded views.

Of course, we have Whiner demonstrating that this ignorant activity is as popular with mindless partisans on both sides of the ideological divide. Folks like Whiner and you are what is wrong with this country, not liberals or conservatives.

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Mrs. G

As far as I have seen, a Coach bag is not on the banned item list nor does it have to be registered as a deadly weapon. Bash’em and exchange the bag because of a found defect.

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mike- Simpletons like you are what is “wrong with this country.”

Your position is that anti Americanism and the liberal agenda can be compromised with and mine is that they can’t. For you to call me extreme because of a political disagreement only illustrates the narrow comprehension abilities of your puny little mind.

You are more than welcome to produce evidence and well thought out logic proving my “extremism,” but I know that mentally unable to, so now I return you to relative obscurity.

buh bye!

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“If he chooses not to answer, it only goes towards his credibility, not mine”

Quite right! But he thinks he’s being “firm” and “uncompromising.” And, BTW, he never answered MY question about the charges against those Navy Seals either.

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Well, amen to Mrs. G. Buck-nekkid is the way to fly. If they’re going to keep bringing bombs and knifes on the planes, then take their hiding places away.

I don’t fly myself and I don’t go places where I can’t drive to, but it’s time to nip this plane stuff in the bud. No fooling around. You don’t just fine somebody for bringing dope with them, you send them straight to prison. You don’t send people to prison if you can give them the Death Penalty. It’s the Conservative way. So I say don’t even show up at a airport wearing clothes. If you can’t stand somebody looking at you when you’re nekkid, then stay home.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a good Sabbath everybody and I hope everybody went to church. You need to wear clothes there, of course. Only a prevert would show up at church nekkid.

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What he thinks only matters in his mind, and I’ve noticed is not always the same sentiment that other conservative minds here agree to. I guess it’s all in perception. A bag of gas to one person can be a balloon to someone else.

And, I have noticed that he never answered your question. I will give him credit on mine for starting an answer @8:44, even though I don’t know how it actually pertains to my question.

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The El Al model of security has worked well over the years to prevent possible terrorist acts on their aircraft. They feel that they are in constant danger of some Arab blowing up one of their planes. We are just not that scared yet. It will take several acts of violence aboard American aircraft to convince the American flyer that his security is more important than his inconvenience.

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RC

I can’t work all day looking at nekkid people. Can they at least wear underwear?

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How about we anesthetize all passengers?
A knock out drop in your complimentray coffee tea or milk, and you wake up at your destination on the luggage carousel ready to be picked up.

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And a cheery good a.m. to all y’all too!

Mrs. G–looks like you at least got up on the right (correct, that is!) side of the bed…. Let me know, though, if you and redneck convert are ever on the same flight!

AmVet– there you go again, bashing Dixie…I’d rather be an old white guy here with a projected temp in the 50s and a bright sunny day than an old white guy shoveling snow someplace else…be careful though when up there and don’t eat the yellow snow, jus’ come on back home and p*ss in the wind…

Road Scholar–The Bruin does earn his keep…

SoCo–what would we do? Who knows until confronted. I’ve been in the position, though not with so many lives at stake, and did knock the gun out of the fellow’s hand and get him to the ground. Truth be told, it was done and over with before I even knew what was going on. I shook like a Waring blender for a good 30 minutes afterwards! When the cops got there they thought I was the intended victim!

As for our hero, he is that for a fact. Calm, cool and collected, modest and self-effacing….

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Happy Third Day of Christmas!

I’m all for the full body scan – those who Xray everything – not sure if they are being used yet – SoCo? Anyway, I’d be all for stripping down to the skinnies if you have to to keep something like this happening. I’m one of those folks that sets off the security bleeper everytime – never fails. My dad is like that too. I think we have metal in our blood. Whenever we fly together we have to account for “move over here please” time. It’s all good though.

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Southern Comfort

I can’t work all day looking at nekkid people. Can they at least wear underwear?

Well, leave it to a librul to whine. How you going to do your job if people show up with clothes on? There could be anything in them underwear. Buck-nekkid, is what me and Mrs. G. say. If you can’t take it, there’s plenty of people out there that could use your job.

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Mrs. Maryam Rajavi: Today’s uprising signal inevitable and imminent downfall of mullahs

Mrs. Rajavi reminded the international community, particularly the United States and the European Union, that the clerical regime is on its way out and that the future belongs to the Iranian people and the Resistance. Negotiations and trade with, and appeasement of the medieval regime are futile and will only embolden the mullahs in their suppression and killing of the Iranian people.

I’ve seen references to ^^^ that statement all over the internet. While the Iranian people are fighting against the regime, and dying in the process….we….the U.S. are still offering to negotiate.

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Bosch

They’re being used as far as I know. I don’t know how many are in use or how many airports have them. There was a big hubbub about using them when they were first available because of “privacy” issues. I think this incident has opened up a few more eyes when it comes to that technology. I got to see how it works, and I think it should be the norm for travel security.

kayaker

I hope it doesn’t come to the way you described it, but I’ve thought that all along. There’s quite a few books I’ve read on security, and it’s amazing what trained experts and the general traveler alike have been able to pick up on security efforts. The reactive model that we’ve been using for the last 20-40 years needs to be replaced with a proactive approach. The other way to defeat their attempts other than giving them a ride on a cruise missile is to stay one step ahead of them.

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“The blame for this incident lies squarely at the feet of Obama.”

Yeah, Vinny, right.

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Mrs. G.

Fahgetaboudit.

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“we….the U.S. are still offering to negotiate.”

Oh sure, because isolating Cuba has just worked SO well…hasn’t it. Look how FREE the Cubans are.

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SoCo

What about biometric data?

I wee bit of the magical mystical DNA my Pop gave me spliced into a travelers ID?

Bosch

My Pop sent me a hot pink snuggly. I got a smile on my face a mile wide. It’s like a flaming silly bear hug. Wearing it backwards and it’s like a cape! Hope you had some merry moments too.

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I say beat the crap out of the guy, hog tie him and throw him off as you pass over the great lake!

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I don’t know, maybe it’s just me…but this whole situation has a feel of “misdirection” about it. Keep the fools watching airplanes while Al Qaeda is putting together plans for a “new and different” attack. If I was in one of the front-line watchdog communities…I’d be keeping a close ear to the ground for rumors of a different kind of attack.

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Mrs. G.

A hot pink snuggie? Wow, that’s something. I’m jealous! Did your Pop have a good one? Did Joe get a squeaky toy pork chop? Is he still in the dog house (snicker, snicker) about the tree?

Yes, we had a great Christmas – still celebrating, as Christmas is twelve days. I got the books I wanted, “The Family” and the new Thomas Pynchon book. I’m reading the Pynchon book first.

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Doggone,

I think that’s been the case for 8 years now.

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On Saturday, a American official revealed the U.S. had known about Abdulmutallab’s possible ties to terrorist groups for at least two years.–CBS

WASHINGTON, May 15, 2002 — The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the hijackers would turn the planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack.–NYT

Bill Clinton received warnings too, but the only one “the other side” attacked was Bush!!?!!

Hmmmmmmm

Maybe someone can explain to me why that is?

Doggone:

I’m conveying the protestations of the Iranian people. I seriously doubt they’re giving much thought to what’s going on in Cuba ’bout now. Cuban exiles here in America are though.

You guys were all over their initial protests. Now they’re of no interest to you?

You people are shallow.

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That fruitcake wanted the christians to rain down from the sky and he could be a big man at the Islamic meetings going on in Detroit. I have a great idea anytime a potential bomber is subdued in flight. Slow down the speed, lower the altitude, open a door and throw the MF out. A few times doing this and maybe they would stay in their rat hole in Yemen where they belong

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Funny, we’re just laying around here this morning, counting our blessings, and on the teevee comes a test of the emergency broadcast system. Makes ya’ think.

I will not live fearfully and I hope none of you will. Again, we are all soldiers in this battle. All of us have duty. Even if all they can do is be brave.

And thankful….

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“A few times doing this and maybe they would stay in their rat hole in Yemen where they belong”

and here you have, clearly displayed, the mind-set that Al Qaeda exploits to recruit their “converts.” They play on an undirected anger, and give it direction. All Bronco needs is someone to give HIM direction and he might be the next bomber taking out a building in Oklahoma City.

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“We (me and my fellow officers) got you covered on that.”

I’m sure you do! And I’m also sure that if anything comes up on the radar and is reported to THIS President, he won’t brush off the messenger with a “you covered your ass” comment.

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You have no clue as to what interested me about their protests and what doesn’t.

“The other side’s” most ^^^ overly used response. I think I’ll start calling it a BB (Bosch Bash) .

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JAY……….Your man in the WHITE HOUSE…………doesn’t even believe there is a terror threat…….So don’t sound sooooooo concerned…….YOU GUY IS UP TO SPEED…

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“Your man in the WHITE HOUSE…………doesn’t even believe there is a terror threat”

Does anyone know where this originated? I’ve seen others make this same claim, but I haven’t been able to find the quote (if there is one) that it’s based on.

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Quite a holiday week for Delta — first they have to call out the riot police at JFK to quell angry stranded passengers in the Delta terminal; then one of their jets is almost crash-landed by a known bad guy they allowed to board at Schipol, and lastly, Ivana Trump gets dragged off a plane because of noisy brats allowed to wreak havoc in first class. Obviously, only one of these really matters. Delta lives in a dream world that people would really rather fly to Mumbai than Milwaukee.

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Let’s stop blaming Bush or Obama – it’s not an US problem, it’s a THEM problem. Let’s save the bitterness for health care and agree to employ a TOUGH head of DHS to protect US from THEM. Napolitano is a joke, Chertoff did alright but Ridge was a buffoon. Let’s put a PRO not a politician in this job.

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I think all those who got crystal balls for Christmas need to read the instruction manuals a bit more carefully.

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You bleeding heart liberals (Jay) think the terror threat has passed and I hope this proves that there are still plenty of terrorists out there that want Americans dead! We need to beef up security and our borders to prevent these animals from entering our country. We must use profiling to make this country safer.

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Frequent Flyboy

Chertoff did okay? Tell that to a lot of folks down in NOLA…

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Irishmafia

“Thank G-d he wasn’t a liberal or he would have wet his panties and broke down crying like a little girl”

Put ‘em up, Paddy, ready when you are. En garde!

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David,

Nah, he just doesn’t use hyperbole as a tool to fight them. I guess you missed the news that he is sending additional troops to Afghanistan.

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At the briefing about the incident Obama queried his staff “how do we blame this on George Bush?

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Frequent Flyboy

FEMA is part of DHS

http://www.dhs.gov/index.shtm

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Ok, who turned off the troll defense network? Seems like somebody turned on the “Hot Doughnuts” sign.

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SoCo

Sorry to be a pest. But isn’t biometric data “doable”?

It could be made in the USA?

Of course, as one technology is rolled out it somebody is looking for a way around it.

Ultimately, it’s about all of us being “Jasper”.

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Doggone:

I posted the words of Iranian protesters. You came back with a smart ass response. Am I to assume you found their words insulting, and not deserving of a serious answer? They reap what they sow?

No offense, but your BBs are kinda simple-minded.

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Doggone,

In other words, we should always treat terrorism at the “red level” at all times, which I think Obama and the ones who work in the field of security do.

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Mrs. G

Did you check out the link I posted for you? There’s already some biometrics in play. It may indeed be “doable” for everyone, but then you have to consider where and how to store that information and who get’s access to it.

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Flyboy

If there’s a chemical or biological attack, who’s going to handle that if you peg FEMA as weather? FEMA’s task goes far and beyond weather-related incidents. If you don’t place FEMA with DHS, then you end up replicating their jobs and duties. The last thing we need is replication in the government.

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Mrs. G

Also, you’d never be a pest. I don’t mind answering questions at all.

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I trust everyone had a wonderful Christmas!

My best present? A year in pictures book from my son and his wife and one-year old – the son who underwent a year and a half of pain before he had his large intestine removed and the son born weeks early who weighed 4 lbs 7 oz.

They’re here, I’m grateful, now they’re making memory books. Life is good.

The topic: the days of waiting for others to act are over. Thank heavens.

Two items of irony: this guy’s a hero; meanwhile, three SEALS who captured the guy who masterminded killing contractors in Fallujah, burning their bodies and hanging them’ fame are undergoing courts-martial in a process that began with them allegedly hitting the guy.

Also, this is a terrorist attack. A terror attack. AQ links and allegations abound.

Meanwhile, Major Nidal is an emotionally disturbed criminal and Ft Hood was in no way a terror attack.

Politics, politics.

We’ll end the year with it and we’ll begin the year with it.

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Doggone:

The Iranian protesters are asking why we, THE U.S. continue to seek negotiations with a regime THEY are trying to topple. Obama has acknowledged Ahmadinejad as the democratically elected leader of Iran. The Iranian people see it differently. They continue their struggle, but yet….you guys have moved on. Neda has not been forgotten by them. She was obviously a passing fancy for you guys.

Arasradio, a self-identified Iranian protester in Tehran, has left a couple comments on the TNOYF You-Tube page concerning the situation in Iran:

We are going to bring Ahmadinejad down and once again our nations can unite in their battle against fundamentalists. We are about to free Iran. Pray for us…

Everyone keep the people of Iran in their prayers. Pray the regime in Iran will not do what I fear it may be about to do.

You stick with your health care bill, Doggone. I’ll focus on those who are truly oppressed and dying for what THEY believe in.

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“are undergoing courts-martial in a process that began with them allegedly hitting the guy.”

They were charged with dereliction of duty, making false statements, assault of a prisoner, and impeding an investigation. Charges were brought by Army Maj. Gen. Charles Cleveland, SOCCent commander.

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Hi Kamchak!

I saw that and posted it. Thought of you. I’m glad he has someone in the post – it’s the new horizon of warfare.

Hi Doggone/GA!

As I said the process began with an allegation they hit the guy. IF they hit the guy, were asked about it and said “Darn Right I Hit Him” they would have undergone the same treatment: offer of an Article 15 and court-martial if they refused. The charges of ‘mistreatment’ can still be added on.

Meanwhile, the civilian on the airliner is hailed a hero, while hitting the prisoner is cheered.

’tis a topsy-turvy world in which we live.

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“You stick with your health care bill, Doggone”

I have no healthcare bill. They passed what they passed. It still remains to be seen what comes out of reconciliation…but in any case it won’t be MY choice, which is single-payer.

“The Iranian protesters are asking why we, THE U.S. continue to seek negotiations with a regime THEY are trying to topple”

Hence my reference to Cuba. NOT negotiating & non-contact led to NOTHING for the people of Cuba. They are STILL oppressed, and by the same regime that has been in power for 50 years.

I would tell those protestors that keeping the lines of communication open is a better tactic than closing them. Otherwise they just might end up like Cuba has. Closed AND still oppressed, but with a harder row to how getting the information out about their oppressions.

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“As I said the process began with an allegation they hit the guy.”

Paul – the odd thing is, the reports I’ve seen vary as to even WHERE they hit him! One report says he got a “bloody lip” and another says a “punch in the gut”

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Doggone/GA

I don’t wish to become embroiled in a health care topic this morning, but I did see this David Broder column “A health-care victory that stinks” and thought it pretty well described what should have been, vs what is.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/23/AR2009122302440.html

It also addresses the mantra that Republicans had no serious offers. Many didn’t. But he hits the White House and Congressional leadership for never seriously engaging, too.

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“I often ask myself, if Ceausescu were alive today, would he have a chance if he ran for the presidency?” says Stejarel Olaru, head of the Committee to Investigate Crimes of the Communist Era, which was established by President Basescu.

“And I believe he would. People believe Ceausescu did many good things… that he gave the people houses, jobs, and good salaries. His mistake, they think, was that he didn’t put food in the shops.”

Hmmmmm…

sound familiar?

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Doggone–
I saw that, too, which is what brought this to mind…we stayed out that one and the Romanians dealt, and are still dealing, with it as an internal matter…there’s a lesson there…

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“My thought is there should be a “subdue with reasonable force” allowance. Just as with the police. But there isn’t. ”

But even if there was, the question would still be: was there a VALID reason for using force? That, I think, is what it comes down to. WERE they using force to control him, or were they taking it upon themselves to punish him for his crimes? I have not actually seen that aspect of it addressed in any of the reports that have come to my notice.

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AmVet

December 27th, 2009
9:38 am
As I said earlier, the worst of these Old White Guys from Dixie are just upset that the attempt wasn’t successful. It would have made their Holiday Season had they gotten the opportunity to “blame” the Uppity Mongrel for a downed airliner. And a few hundred dead innocent people is no big deal to them…

The conned – dumb and yellow. Not a good combo…

You have the temerity to think “Old White Guys from Dixie” would derive joy in seeing this airliner explode? Exactly where the he-l are you from?

The “uppity mongrel?”

You obscenely pathetic cretin. How stultifying innane. This is first rate Keith Olberman trash of the highest order. You shoul be boiled in oil.

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Bookman must be losing his nose for news. He completely overlooked the story about the grandma in Row F who gave the subdued terrorist the stink eye. “He glanced over at me, and I just let him have it”. After being kicked, punched and strangled by others, it’s ironic that the octogenarian’s stern look is being credited with saving the plane and forcing the suspect to disclose the exact whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden himself, by golly.

What do you think? The medal of freedom? Nobel peace prize? Medal of honor? Lets blow up every incident totally out of proportion so we can feel good about ourselves.

The questions that should have been addressed on this blog are: How many people on that 500K terrorist data base are flying right now? What r the consequences for being on that list? How long has the list included 500K people? Is that list routinely available to every airport security guard?

What about sewing explosives into underwear? Was that technique leaked to the public when the security proceedure manual got facebooked? Remember that? That wasn’t that long ago, yet it’s completely overlooked by the pundits on this blog. I’m so impressed by the penetrating and insightful discussion here today by disciplined minds! The pointed logic dispells any notion that the commenters are a waste of gray matter at all.

The Shoe Bomber. The underwear bomber. Shoes. Underwear. Anyone see a pattern?

The round table on “This Week” talked about how easy it is for Americans to secret contraband on board aircraft. That the whole process is and has been a total joke for years. That homeland securtiy is a jobs program and not a security program. Yet even those professional pundits tried to wrap up the whole incident into a nice bow and smiled a happy new year to one and all.

What it means is that luck is the only safeguard we’ve employed since 911. There were 278 people on that plane in Detroit. Too many to relax about now. Obama should fire everyone involved. Get some fresh eyes on that data base.

The tightened security is going to torture travelers over the New Years travel weekend. If it was slow because of winter storms at christmas, it will be slower for terrorism alerts.

What is the color of the new orange alert now? Did it go to defcom one? Doesn’t anyone think through a news story? Over at Bob Barr’s blog, he covered a story about the ROVER. He claimed that Chinese hacks are intercepting and manipulating the video data of intel from our drones. What does manipulating mean? Are they digitally drawing beards on every person the drone looks at and making them all look like Osama Bin Laden? THERE HE IS!!! No, that’s Petreaus. Gee, for a moment there, I thought he really did betray us!

In short the whole approach to news on this newspaper is woefully inadequate, and is the reason that Americans cant or wont read newspapers. they can get all the nonsense they want on youtube, facebook, and myspace.

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“I don’t think you’d ever find Republicans advocating single-payer. It’s be political suicide for them. Then again, I think one could say the same’s true of many moderate Democrats – it’d be political suicide for them, too! ”

I agree with all of that, but I have yet to see ANY proposal from the Republican side that even approaches any sort of system that makes affordable healthcare available to all. THAT is MY bottom-line requirement. My preference is for single-payer, but I’ve said before and I still say: I don’t care what is on the bill that is signed, as long as it is oriented towards that goal. If there are problems with it after it’s implemented, it can always be tweaked, but get that goal in sight first.

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Millicent

Take a deep breath. Hopefully you got your grievances in even though Festivus was on the 23rd. I have a little knowledge in the area of your inquiry. I can’t answer all the questions, but one in particular I can answer.

“Is that list routinely available to every airport security guard?”

One word answer, NO!! There’s the issue of security clearance and keeping information guarded closely. There’s far too many security guards to pass that information to and expect it to remain a closely guarded secret. The size of the list would create a problem of keeping it secret too.

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“Good point. But in a case like that, it’d be ‘he said, he said.””

Well, it’s going to be that in any case…but IF the charges of making false statements and impeding an investigation are found to be true, it is THOSE charges that are going to put them in serious trouble.

If they got carried away, but did no serious, lasting damage…and had just “manned up” to that, they probably would have found themselves behind a desk for a while, with a reprimand in their records. But lieing about it? THAT’s going to be deep doo doo, if it’s true that they did lie.

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“Just the fact we have such a policy for civilians, or cheer civilians who take the law into their own hands and beat up a suspect, while we expect Special Ops guys to act with kid gloves, leaves me amazed.”

for me, it’s the other way around. Navy Seals are a highly trained, elite group of forces. I find it much easier to believe that citizens would be carried away by their emotions that such an elite group. These guys are trained to be – in essence – heroes. IF it’s true that they beat that guy up with no valid reason, then that is hardly the behavior of a heroe…is it? The civilians on that plane DID have a valid reason, after all.

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Doggone/GA

That always seems to be the case in these situations, doesn’t it? Whether it’s Pres Clinton or Scooter Libby (my eternal question: what grown man calls himself ‘Scooter’?!!?) or these guys: the penalties for making false official statements is usually worse than the penalty for what those false statements were about.

Tell the truth, let the consequence follow.

Southern Comfort

We’ve had a few discussions here about how those lines get blurred. I believe here the issue was, while SEALS were doing the capture and extraction the guy said “they hit me!.” Well, yeah, if he’s not moving or causing trouble, no kidding!

“Keep quiet.”

“Dirty American Jew.”

WHACK!

I’ve no trouble with that -

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Paul

I think I’d get into more trouble for not reporting any incident than I would for the incident itself. I’m hoping that the investigation into the SEALS case brings the complete truth to light. If what those guys did was as you think, then they’d have to own up to why they didn’t report it. On the other hand, if they were “tuning him up”, then they need to face the music for that. But if they are innocent, then leave them to what they do best.

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Doggone/GA 1:22

That was the beginning of my disdain for the entire special prosecutor system.

SoCo

My understanding is, when he was turned over to the Iraqis he made the allegation. Then it got political.

You are correct – it’s not clear. This is a pretty good column:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34710

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Video and Poll:Dear Congress, How About A Presidential Medal Of Freedom For Jasper Schuringa Who Heroically Stopped An Attack On Americans?
Posted By Centrist on December 27, 2009

Reading where ‘Schuringa, of Amsterdam, told CNN that he didn’t think about his own safety when he jumped Abdulmutallab. He and other passengers said that several people on board, including members of the flight crew, then joined him in taking the man to first class to strip off his clothes and search for any more explosives”

See video and read full post:
http://palinyoubetcha2012.com/wordpress/wp-admin/index.php?page=stats

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A blogger was on the plane:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roey-rosenblith/over-detroit-skies_b_404255.html

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You guys need to read Lone Survivor written by Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell.Maybe it would help you understand how it is to fight a brutal enemy and try to keep the rules imposed on you at the same time.By the way Marcus was the only survivor of his team.

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“Dirty American Jew.”

It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’

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“It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’”

You object to being called “dirty”? Because the other two words are simply the truth.

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Doggone–

You object to being called “dirty”? Because the other two words are simply the truth.

That’s about the size of it…you know how personal I take adjectives!

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“That’s about the size of it…you know how personal I take adjectives!”

And that’s why I, personally, object to the demonization of “those words” – like “the n word” I say, let people use them…then you will KNOW what kind of person you are dealing with. And learn not to react to them, because if you DO, then you are ceding power over yourself to someone else. The BEST reaction is to not give them that power.

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To Doggone/GA:

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?”

Based on some of your responses today I suggest you heed the above.

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“Based on some of your responses today I suggest you heed the above.”

Huh? Got a specific example you’d care to discuss?

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Doggone/GA:

No.
Don’t have the time.
And you are already not heading your rights.

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“He went insane.”

and I think it was worse than that…I think he just went blank. That he had NOTHING. He had led a cossetted, protected life and I think he simply had NO THING to call up to give him any idea of how to react.

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Doggone–
He probably could have, true, but reckon maybe he took the time he finished reading to collect his own thoughts…? I have no idea what I would have done in the same position, but I can certainly see myself taking the same course of REaction…

On the second point, given the setting, I don’t think I’d have a lot of doubt about somebody using “those words.” With all due respect, I’ve seen you get a little bent out of shape around these parts over “words m’lord.” We all have our limits and as I said, “It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’”

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HRH, if you box like you blog, you must have stopped a lot of great punches.

With your face…

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“He probably could have, true, but reckon maybe he took the time he finished reading to collect his own thoughts…?”

Well, I can only go by my own experience: if I’m reading and I need to “collect” my thoughts, I stop reading. I once got asked a question about a TV character that was on in my childhood and had to literally stop even MOVING to bring the memory back up.

Based on that, I would have found it more believable if he had stopped reading and just sat there. That would have been an understandable reaction to ME. Simply continuing to read, that I can’t comprehend.

“With all due respect, I’ve seen you get a little bent out of shape around these parts over “words m’lord.” ”

Yep, but generally it’s more in the line of people using words that don’t mean what they think they mean. Like the current bugaboo: Socialist. When it comes to sheer, downright insults…they aren’t usually as much of a problem for me, because you can’t really discuss things with someone when all they’ve got is insults. You can (I and do sometimes) trade “shots” with them…but that’s not a discussion, that’s just passing the time.

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getalife…
Have to admit the Jack Daniels made life with a house full of refugees (oh, I forgot, “evacuees”) a bit easier on all of us!

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josef,

Yeah but he is president falling off the wagon.

The rest is history and here we are.

He gave us Obama and Obama wants to be like w.

Yeah, we are screwed.

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For your future edification:

When someone is trying to light a bomb or incindiary fuse on an aircraft, split seconds count between living and a horrible death.

1) A three round wrestling match with passengers and/or crew is not the best course of action. Better, is to stop all muscle movement by the perpetrator as soon as possible. This is best done by the “very, very forceful” insertion of a hard object into the cranial vault through the eyeball socket of the perpetrator (fingers, pens, pencils, handle end of plastic spoons or forks, bullets (note: Air Marshal, pilot/co-pilot or approved law enforcement officer required for the latter).

2) Should that be impracticable, it is very possible (with the amount of human adrenaline involved) to close one’s fingers and thumb entirely around a perpetrator’s throat/larnyx area and completely crush it. With a very strong pull it can also be disengaged from the passage to the lungs.

Just in case …………………

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Doggone/GA

Thanks. Think I’ll wait until the kiddies return to school to see it.

getalife

Careful, buddy… you keep up that line of thought, I see a fifth of Jack in your afternoon!

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Can anyone explain why the AJC website front page all but ignores the only story that anyone is talking about today?

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To AJC Basher:

That’s just one reason why I cancelled them after 22 years.

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Doggone–
Self-defense is not a learned reaction, but a response to a perceived threat…that’s why I keep coming back to the personal angle…what is a perceived threat to me may not be to you and vice-versa…

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“Self-defense is not a learned reaction”

Maybe not, but reaction to a verbal insult IS. You, for example, might react to being called a “Dirty American Jew” because you perceive it as a threat. MY reaction would be “huh?”

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Paul,

I drink Crown and never have been on the wagon.

I think Americans expect failure and are self medicating with a buffet of drugs.

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getalife

“…and have never been on the wagon…”

I have, during the Reagan years. Big mistake. I won’t make it again…

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The AP copy is hard to figure … was it a second arrest on the Christmas Day flight (i.e. the guy had an accomplice) or was it an arrest on today’s flight? Right now, if I’m Nigerian, I’m holding it until landing and de-planing.

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I’ve angered the blog god, Josef…let me see if I can do better…you’ll have to use your imagination to supply the words I’m trying to use!

“That might be because you’ve not been called a “dirty Jew,” just before having the s*it knocked out of you, too.”

Quite right, but I *have* been called a “dirty beotch” right before having the sheot knocked out of me. It isn’t only Jews and African Americans that get insulted and punched out, you know.

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From what sketchy information there is, it sounds like Abdul was a very tightly wound young man. Overly religious young male Muslims are not well adjusted. In fact, any young person who is overly religious is not well adjusted. Suggests that the family environment was too strict and arbitrary. The age old “I’ll show you” syndrome coupled with “You’ll be sorry when I’m dead” dynamic functions in every society. When harnessed by religious fanaticism they are deadly.

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“Suggests that the family environment was too strict and arbitrary”

And/or that the family (meaning the parents) relied too much on the “do as I say, not as I do” method of raising their children. I’m not averse to fighting to defend my self if it’s necessary, but it isn’t generally my first reaction. My parents were not strict, nor arbitrary…but neither were they violent, angry people and neither my sister nor I are either. But I would say we learned that more from seeing how our parents reacted to the world, than to any direct teaching from them.

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Jennifer–
Agree with much of what you say, but one of the things we’re seeing from all this is that these fanatics are just as likely to come from one background as another…this particular one’s father appears to have been neither strict nor arbitrary, paying close enough attention to his offspring to try and let the authorities know he was off the chain…I don’t know if you’re a parent or not, but it really takes something to turn your child in to the authorities…if anything was missed in this, it is that that aspect was not given serious attention spot on receipt…

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Josef – and there’s a lot to that in your response to Jennifer, and there’s also this: that the father may have realized he had no further control over his son and he was afraid of what that son might do. That he might also realize that he indirectly led to the son being as he is, is not necessarily so certain. Neither certain that he DID inadvertenly do so, or that if he did he realizes it.

You see it all the time: my child was a sweet, and loving child and I just can’t believe he would do (that awful thing) – yet the neighbors, or schoolmates, or workmates had reservations about him and found it not so surprising.

Sometimes the signs are there all along, but the family doesn’t – or chooses not to – see them.

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Doggone–

I appreciate what you say about sex differences. I stay into it with radical (and some not so radical) feminists over this issue. Call them anti-evolutionists and they’ll jump on you in a flash, but the idea that the homo-sapiens is so highly evolved as to have “overcome” the primordal “male protects the baby factory to insure the survival of the species” is a patently absurd precept.

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“I don’t know if you’re a parent or not, but it really takes something to turn your child in to the authorities…”

Yes, I am a parent, and I’m sure it would take everything in me to turn them in to the authorities. However, unless I’ve missed the story on this, we don’t know the relationship background of Abdul and his father.

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“but the idea that the homo-sapiens is so highly evolved as to have “overcome” the primordal “male protects the baby factory to insure the survival of the species” is a patently absurd precept.”

I agree. If differences weren’t crucial to the survival of the species, they wouldn’t be there. and appropos the subject, I once read the opinion that “a mother’s job is to teach gentleness to her sons.” Can’t remember who said that, and I don’t disagree with it…but I think the corollary is true also: that a father’s job is too teach his daughters to be tougher.

The BIG job is not to go too far in either direction!

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Doggone–
Parents, children, society and their perceptions the one of the other. Society in general always told Mama what a pefect little gentleman I was with my “ma’ams, sirs,” holding doors, helping with packages and all the thousand and one other LEARNED responses. Her “hrrmph, you don’t know him” was just as much the truth, for all that was a cover for what a mean little sh*t I really was. Both were true. I might contend that this fellow’s father was more the my mama.

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Jennifer–and I think you agree that we should refrain from passing summary judgments until more is known of that relationship

Doggone–raising both boys and a girl, how to do both was a constant quandry…they assure us today we did a good job, the girl is a genteel, gentle and sweet person, but she can take care of bidness when need be, so, too, with the boys…but as much as we’d like to take the praise, it’s still they who did it, not us…they could have just as easily turned out the other way…

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“they could have just as easily turned out the other way…”

yep, there’s no doubt about that. It’s the danger inherent in rasing youngsters who can think for themselves. When it comes right down to it, you can only show them what you think is the right way. There comes a time when you can no longer force them to go that way.

Gotta run, got things to do!

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Anybody who thinks women can’t be as violent and mean as men, didn’t grow up in the house with my sisters.

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Hillbilly–
Ask any of my six brothers and we’ll tell you we’d take each other in a pack before tangling with either one of the two sisters…perfect little ladies they were…when they said “froggie” we boys said, “jump how high?” Mama always said, “don’t ever let me hear of one of you boys hitting one the girls (pause) first…”

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Don’t drop by here very often….but, today I did. And what did my wondering eyes observe? A bunch of tough guys.

Lets see old Scout himself puncturing eyeballs out with a pencil. Southern Comfort doing his best imitation of Steven Segal.

The reporter who never leaves his computer, but has time to hang-out at the airport profiling passengers. Go Figure.

Then the ripped, and buffed Josep a product of Gold’s gym I presume, and a recent grad of karate school simply thrawted a gunman with his ferioucious Chuck Norris counter attack, and who will go hammers with anyone who dares look crossways at him.

Wow….I’m impressed!

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Hey, every mother’s son. 3:44

Why don’t you come back on Friday night? We have mud wrestling then. You’d love it. Maybe your mother will let you out for the night.

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DUSTY–
Love that mud wrestlin’ specially when you, Doggone and @@ go at it!

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This is a MUSLIM problem, plain and simple. You don’t see Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Animists, Wiccans, or even Satanists doing this sort of thing. Actually, SIKHS have blown up planeloads of people (the Babbar Khalsa bombing of that Air India plane), but that’s another story…

For all the Obama-bashing, let’s not forget that the Dubya Administration had EIGHT YEARS to deal with the ‘underlying problem’, but chose not to. The no-fly list wasn’t refined, in a way that would’ve kept Master Umar from flying with a hypergolic special in his undies. Jihadi front groups in the U.S.–Salafi mosques, CAIR and Muslim Students’ Associations–were never liquidated, and Islamic radicals ran amok unmolested by Bush’s PC-afflicted FBI, DHS and NSA. After 9/11, Dubya kicked off his shoes, read from the Qur’an at a mosque, plead for ‘tolerance’ and generally acted like a lame dhimmi. Rather than take the Saudis to task for their rotten misogynistic death cult, or committing serious troop strength to Afghanistan, Dubya poured troops into Iraq–overthrowing a SECULAR regime, so that Qur’an-thumpers in Arabia and Iran could sleep easier. (There NEVER were ‘WMDs’ in Iraq; the Ba’athist regime viciously suppressed Islamic fundamentalism and kept Iran in check.)

And conservatives could admit that their Depends-soiling hero, Ronald Reagan, helped create this mess in the first place, by aiding the Mujaheddin. Ronnie’s dementia-addled decision to support those boy-raping, woman-hating Qur’an-thumping ragheads helped lead to the fall of the secular government in Kabul, the rise of Mullah Omar and the al Qaeda bases that murdered 3,000 people on 9/11. No Mujaheddin, no Taliban, no 9/11–simple as that.

At this point, the only solution is wiping Salafi-Wahhabi Islam off the face of the earth. Other death cults (Aum Shinrikyo, the Thuggees) were extirpated, but it takes the political will. The rights of people to live without being blown to Heaven outwight the ‘right’ of pederastic, gynophobic suicide cults like fundamentalist Islam to exist.

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AcSial–
I’d venture that Abraham of Ur started it..

Okay, NJ, you’re on…

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DUSTY–
I like all of the wimmins here…ain’t skeered of much…but y’all? I’ll be sweet and nice…
Now, every mother’s son? Oh, I’ve heard from him before…he comes in, takes a swipe and runs off…little chicken s*it in my opinion, not that my opinion is worth anything…

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Yeah, Lieberman wants to invade Yemen but Obama is taking the Clinton approach of using air strikes.

Probably see more air strikes because the wealthy terrorist is talking. A 23 year old from a wealthy family broke the mold on the desperate nothing to lose profile.

After killing so many Muslims, there will be blow back so we need to man up like Israel and Jasper.

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Have the wingnuts been on here all day complaining about that failed attempt by some whacko on a plane.

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Jay,
is it making sense yet that stealing land from the Jews has no affect on this type of activity?? In fact, stealing land from the Jews has never solved any kind of world problem whatsoever.

Would be far better to steal land from these Muslim fascists, and obliterate them instead of creating puppet governments for them.

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will not bring unity.

The gop will play politics as usual.

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Andy,

They scored two easy touchdowns and went to sleep.

Just horrible offense in the second half.

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Obama and his buddies at the Fed not only remove any limit to the amount of taxpayer money that can be “loaned” to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but they also approve “performance bonuses” to the CEO’s in those organizations. Performance bonuses? For what, bankrupting us? What else can Obama do to the American taxpayer besides spitting in their faces and throwing buckets of feces at them?

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@@, Now, now, go easy on duhggone, the realization that it’s “president” is a total dud and failure is slowing coming to it, and it is not taking it very well. You could almost say that it is hysterical. What it needs now is comforting and compassion, which it will not get from me, so I am counting on you to take up the slack.

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josef,

What’s even sicker to me about the Fannie/Freddie thing is that Mr. Transparency announced it on Christmas Eve night when he could be pretty well assured nearly nobody heard about it.

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“Jennifer–and I think you agree that we should refrain from passing summary judgments until more is known of that relationship”

Oh yes. Operative word here being “should”.

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Getalife:

You don’t get off that easy, buddy.

WASHINGTON, May 15, 2002 — The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the hijackers would turn the planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack.–NYT

Then there was Obama’s:

On Saturday, a American official revealed the U.S. had known about Abdulmutallab’s possible ties to terrorist groups for at least two years.–CBS

All I can recall about Bill was his bulging eyes, popping veins, and finger in the face of (can’t remember who) when the question was posed. I think he said something about needing an aspirin?

(ISH)

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Compassion for Doggone!!?!! I should think not. She/he has shown little for the Iranian protesters. It’s all about her and her man, Obama.

I’m pretty sure Doggone said, at one time, she was female.

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Jennifer…

“Oh yes. Operative word here being “should”.”

But why would we let such a little problem of grammar stop us, eh?

Hillbilly–
Like I said when he gave ‘em a glass of water, great symbolism, and some good words in the speech and interviews, but the proof is in the pudding…well, it’s vanilla and I ordered butterscotch…

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Scroll bar…(not to be confused with scroll wheel.)

http://tinyurl.com/ybzbrzk

C’mon conned, time to finally quit shucking and grinning for the (W)orst ever…

His body count was something that Arnold, Bruce Willis and Sly Stone combined would stand in awe of…

Besides all he got you dupes was record setting humiliations in the past two elections…

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I’m pretty sure Doggone said, at one time, she was female.

@@,

She’s gone into a lot more graphic description of herself here than just saying she’s female.

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getalife..what was that about a tea party at Treasury…

Caterpillar: Who… are… you?
Alice: Why, I hardly know, sir. I’ve changed so much since this morning, you see…
Caterpillar: No, I do not C, explain yourself.
Alice: I’m afraid I can’t explain myself, you see, because I’m not myself, you know.
Caterpillar: I do not know.
Alice: I can’t put it any more clearly, sir, because it isn’t clear to me.

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Sewing a bomb in the underwear and injecting a syringe for a flash bomb.

Was it meant to explode or was this mission to get publicity for AQ with a well spoken, wealthy spokesman?

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“It” seems so much more proper than “she.”

Besides, Bookman won’t let me call it what I’d really like to.

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Ponder–
It’s not that I’m entirely opposed to profiling, but if we’re going to do it, do it right…Arab is not a “race” Arabs range from blonde-blue eyed Iraqis to subsaharan black Sudanese. Nor are they a religion, there are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Druze, and hundreds of other sects among the Arab people. They are united by a language, Arabic.Middle Eastern is not a nationality, but a geographic region. Israelis are as Middle Eastern as Saudis and Yemeni, Persians, Turks, Kurds…There are plenty of Muslims in Bosnia, Albania, Turkey, Macedonia, Kazakhstan–to name just a few–who are as Western as any of us…

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josef,

Did you drop acid again?

@@,

Not many comments on those blogs.

Out of outrage?

The libs are calling for rahm’s resignation and are fighting each other over this outrage.

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getalife…

“Was it meant to explode or was this mission to get publicity for AQ with a well spoken, wealthy spokesman?”

Unmentionable made a point of this, that there’s a lot more milage from the attempt since as the process of inquiry, bringing to trial, the trial and the sentencing will keep it “live…” If he had succeeded, the Warholian 15 minutes, yesterday’s news, and back to the latest celebrity pecadillo…

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Someone, at least, quoted Obama.

National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer on Sunday denounced Tehran’s “unjust suppression of civilians” in a crackdown that has killed at least four people, including the nephew of an opposition leader. Hammer says governing through fear and violence is not just.

Hammer quoted President Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, saying “it is telling when governments fear the aspirations of their own people more than the power of any other nation.”

Obama’s mouthpiece? Gotta protect those pearlie whites for future photo-ops.

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Doggone is H—-U—-G—-E, like in………a wide load?

Alrighty din!

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Thank gawd there were some liberal Dutch types to keep the religious nutjob from succeeding.

What next? Euroweenies taking out terrorist cells left and right?

Oh wait…

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What would life be like today if only reinforced flight crew doors (you can’t use the short name here for that door unless you mis-spell it, like “corkpit” but whoever heard of a corkpit) had been really really cheap years and years ago. The bottom line is always about making more money and security costs subtract from the bottom line. So, suck it up and buy one of those cheap flight insurance policies before you get on the plane. I think you can even buy them from a vending machine in some places.

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josef,

There’s another angle or two had the attack been successful. One is that we would have been told it was just a tragic accident. Another is that the Detroit area has a very large Muslim population and it may have been played in AQ circles as targeting Muslims rather than the other way around so they could use it to create more unrest within the US population.

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AmVet–
Don’t mess with the Dutch…do you know the story of the bombing of Gestapo HQ in Amsterdam during the war?

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Andy,

It’s not that he doesn’t SAY anything. He said this at the UN in September:

True leadership will not be measured by the ability to muzzle dissent or intimidate and harass political opponents at home. The people of the world want change. They will not long tolerate those who are on the wrong side of history.

There are basic principles that are universal. There are certain truths which are self-evident. And the United States of America will never waver in our efforts to stand up for the right of people everywhere to determine their own destiny.

It’s just that once the words scroll off the top of the prompter they became meaningless.

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What’s Mary holding out for this time?

Bruised by the health care debate and worried about what 2010 will bring, moderate Senate Democrats are urging the White House to give up now on any effort to pass a cap-and-trade bill next year.

“I am communicating that in every way I know how,” says Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), one of at least half a dozen Democrats who’ve told the White House or their own leaders that it’s time to jettison the centerpiece of their party’s plan to curb global warming.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30984.html

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josef, I am no rw Euroweenie hater.

And I never once had a Freedom Fry…(Now how f’ing stoooopid was that?)

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RW– Way to go!

AmVet–
Didn’t think you were!

And the French? Well, once you get out of that p*sserie of Paris, a good bunch of people…

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josef,

I guess the 300 million for her HCR vote got obscured by all the other bribes that came after her so she figured Cap and Tax was the path back to the spotlight.

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Son of a gun. I’m SO disappointed. Here I was, all set with popcorn and a soda…waiting for RW to reveal everything he knows about me. Darned if he didn’t wimp out.

And @@, the word you were struggling to find is FAT.

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Mary is cashing out.

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Fat soooooooooo?

Stop eating so much…or not

makes no difference to me, unless, of course, for health care benefits, you file it as a glandular problem. Then we have an issue.

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scout…
No need to try to engage chicken little…he comes in ever so often, pops off and then runs to hide behind mama’s apron…one of these days she’s gonna run out from under the porch and bite him…

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“Late fifties and a larda$$ pretty well sums up what I’ve read you saying about yourself.”

That all you got? Try again, you’ve left some things out.

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“makes no difference to me”

I’m relieved to hear. I was worrying myself sick thinking you were worring about me.

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josef:

LOL!

By the way, I say make every passenger wear a “depends”, handcuff them to their armrests and duct tape their mouth shut . This is what it will eventually come to because our government is too stupid/politically correct to utilize appropriate profiling !!

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“We’ve known for a long time that this is possible,” said Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism czar and ABC News consultant, “and that we really have to replace our scanning devices with more modern systems.”

Clarke said full body scans were needed, “but they’re expensive and they’re intrusive. They invade people’s privacy.”

Al Qaeda, said Clarke, is aware of this vulnerability in the U.S. airport security system. “They know that this is a weakness and an Achilles’ heel in our airport security system and this is the second time they’ve tried it.”

Both times failed or psychological warfare.

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Doggone:

I wasn’t worrying about you being fat. Just don’t ask me to pay for the unintended consequences of your unhealthy choices.

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getalife:

There are many tools to use ……… some expensive and some not so expensive.

To not use “appropriate profiling” is in my opinion criminal.

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Should have put that unintended inside quotation marks which would indicate Doggone has no intention of giving up her gluttonous ways. Her only intent is to have me pay the price for ‘em.

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gal? GAL????

AmVet, you are such a chauvinistic swine.

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“Just don’t ask me to pay for the unintended consequences of your unhealthy choices”

Don’t worry your pretty little head about it. I’ve got employees insurance.

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“giving up her gluttonous ways”

Here ya go, @@…wouldn’t want you to run out of insults…this will keep you happy for a LONG time:

http://fatjackskinnywhinny.blogspot.com/2007/01/whats-wrong-with-fit-jack-or-thin-jack.html

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Gal, an alteration of girl, is a casual term for a woman

Wonder what amvet did before Wiki came along

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If I had to deal with the party of NO….I’d probably need a few belts of number 7 warming my tummy too!

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Hahahahahaha, I guarantee that^^ is exactly how they went about cobbling together this obomination duh repugssshhhhs, dey wouldnsh playsh wisch usshhh.

Hot damn, that’s gonna be a great campaign commercial!

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Enter your comments here

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Now we know why the Dem Senators kept invoking Ted hic Kennedy’s name.

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To Excuse Me :

“Why aren’t the Republicans campaigning on the right to bear arms on planes. On trains. In automobiles. In Congress. In Church. At the doctor. In school. At work. What good is a Republican if they cannot at least get us these basic constitutional rights. Fire em all and get some good ones elected.”

I assume you are being sarcastic ……. maybe not. In any case, you can bear arms on some trains (i.e., MARTA), in your car in most states, in your home, at your place of business if you own it, at your doctor (if you fear him that much and have a toter’s permit). A few states also allow arms in churches (I am a member of our security team) and Utah at least allows them on college compuses (with a permit). May I also remind you that up until about the late 1960’s, you could carry a gun on an aircraft because there was zero (repeat ZERO) security prior to boarding. It’s not the object ……… it’s the people.

Time to profile. It’s just that simple.

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To Profile of a Glock:

You can do just that in Vermont. Seriously ………. no permit or anything.

To All:

Oh, the horror of it all …….. and they weren’t even advised of their rights ………. (

Headline (CBS): “Ex-CIA Operative Comes Out of the Shadows”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/23/60minutes/main6014887.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

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tee hee hee…

I got compared to Steven Segal, of all people???

RW

Clarke is both right and wrong. As you said, the airports involved in the security screening were not US, nor did they involve US screeners. If memory serves me correct, there has not been a succesful detonation of any explosives from any plane originating in the US. I’ll have to double check that to be sure.

However, that is a glaring weakspot in our security system. The technology is there and is being used, but not to the extent that it needs to. There’s different technologies that, if used together, would minimize the security risk for carry-on or checked explosives. There’s no 100% effective system available, but there are measures that would be very effective if used in a layered approach.

And for those who want to blame Bush for 9/11, here’s a good read for you. It’s a Wiki link, but the information is quite accurate. It involves a plan by Ramzi Yousef to cause widespread damage and panic by using aircraft. His uncle, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was involved in the planning as well, and we all know what he’s known for. If Yousef’s name sounds familiar, it’s because he’s locked up in SuperMax for the 1st attempt on the World Trade Center.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

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Something tells me that Baucus The Drunk didn’t do a good of a job writing the health care legislation as he did destroying it.

We couldn’t have asked for anything better!

Sheerioushhly.

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And for those who want to blame Bush for 9/11,

Standard operating procedure is to blame the person in charge at the time of the incident or incidents. Take no prisoners. Accept no if’s or but’s. Them’s the rules and we aint nothing without our rules. We live by rules. We die by rules. Rules is rules. So everything is Bush’s fault cause everything went bad while he was in charge. Them’s the rules and you cannot go and change the rules in the middle of the game just cause the rules aint working in your favor.

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Rules Rule

Had you taken a smidget of time to even look at the link I posted, you would have noted the dates and times all those events happened. The planning started during Clinton’s first term. I don’t think either Bush nor Clinton can be solely blamed for it either. No one in the intelligence community would have thought that any of that would have happened. They had bits and pieces of information and could not see the full picture. But, I’m sure since you’re a senior intel analyst, you know what’s gonna be attempted next, right?

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Sarkozy has really gone sour on Obama. So much can happen in a year’s time.

Like his predecessor, Mr Sarkozy plays up differences with the US for domestic purposes. But there is a crucial difference. Whereas Mr Chirac’s stance towards the US was determined by suspicion of US power, current French frustration is aimed at Washington’s hesitancy or even weakness.–Financial Times

It’s pretty bad when the French think of us as weak.

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Time to call it a night. I’ve got a feeling that tomorrow is going to be a long, long day.

G’night all.

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RW

Just saw your post. I think the show you saw was “Seconds from Disaster”. I’ve seen that episode on TWA 800. If it’s the one I saw, they tried to dispel the missile theory and mainly focused on the center fuel tank.

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Goodnight SoCo. That’s probably the one I saw because that’s what the thrust of the show was about. If I recall they kind of glossed over the possibility of an intentional explosion from inside the plane, but it’s been a long time since I saw it.

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Doggone, I wanna apologize for my comments regarding your portliness? I thought you were joking about your weight. I’ve got friends who are overweight. It’s really not something that I focus on unless it’s blogger, Paul. I just give him a hard time ’cause he’s always talking about what he eats.

You can’t deny it’s gonna be a politically incorrect problem with this health care bill though. People will be claiming all sorts of reasons for why they can’t lose weight. Both you and I will be paying the consequences. Health problems that stem from obesity are the #1 killer in this country.

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I don’t know about this Tierney person, but John Kerry has lost credibility so many times, I can’t imagine there’s any left.

Boston Globe–ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES would not stay in office for long if they did not push for job-creating federal contracts in their states. But they have a greater responsibility to draw a line when it comes to projects that are wasteful or unnecessary. Unfortunately, both Massachusetts senators and Representative John Tierney have worked to salvage a $465 million jet engine program that the Pentagon itself does not want.

Obama’s payback to Immelt?

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Doggone:

You’re among the 1% of cases where obesity is due to medical problems. It’s the other 99% that concerns me.

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time to hit the sack…night all

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Though not a big fan of the Hawaii-born president, Linda Pacheco, 50, of Kailua, strolled onto the grassy embankment across the canal from where the Obozos are spending the week. She didn’t spot the “president,” but she did get a good look at the imposing armed boat docked on the other side as well as two sets of Coast Guard personnel patrolling the waterway in inflatable boats.

Well, it’s good to know that someone is being kept safe this weekend.

Probably drunken too, like the rest of his fellows rats.

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There’s a post at Hot Air about the drunken rant on the Senate floor by Baucus that has an all timer of a comment under it.

The question is was he drunk enough to hit on Pelosi? Now that’s FUBAR hammered.

Geochelone on December 27, 2009 at 9:24 PM

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Lil’ Barry B: Must be a faux watcher. His Visa was issued by Nigeria not the U.S.

Bushinator has 9/11 two towers and 5,000+ dead. When President Obama reaches that status I will vote for the lying Palinator.

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Lil’ Barry Bailout

December 27th, 2009
10:59 pm

Since when was reading to elementary school students the president’s job? Bush should have been in the Oval Office on 09/11. Obama should be there more as well. I’d like to see him emulate Clinton more. Being president is hard work, not photo ops.

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He had a student visa again not issued on U.S. soil.

A visa to enter this country was issued on foreign soil?????? Dude, you’ve cracked the code!!!! Now if we would just make everyone come here before we gave them permission to come here we’d be golden!!!

/Lefty blogs like this one usually shut down once they come to the realization of what idiots their followers are. My guess is this one one won’t be far behind.

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If Bush were president, he would have first raised the terror color code to RED so all Faux News anchors could sound patriotic, and then he would have attacked Nigeria.

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I see where our Heathers got together last night and proved how shallow they are. The adage is: beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes right to the soul.

This is typical behavior for a coquette, but I expected better from RW. Live and learn, again.

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I think the GOP even tried to blame 9/11 on faulty tower design.

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And our Homeland “Security” Department reacts to this news by stomping on little old American ladies who need to use the restroom.

Try to hold it longer or try depends.

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Did Fox News really compare this incident to 9/11? Somebody tell me it aint so!!!

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Well, I guess we better re-invade Iraq. We did not accomplish our mission the first time around. Those terrorists are still over there. Maybe this time around they’ll welcome us with open arms.

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Just for the record, Kamchak….that’s two (probably more going back) apologies that I’ve given freely. The other to Matilda.

I won’t hold my breath waiting on any leftists to apologize for THEIR insults. It’s not their style.

I don’t require apologies, the truth will suffice.

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Arresting this suspect will create more terrorists. All terrorists should be let go with complimentary first class air travel and our sincerest apologies for being infidels.
Then we should nuke israel as an act of good will and then maybe, they won’t be mean to us anymore.

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Stay on Topic

December 28th, 2009
8:43 am

Who is at fault?

The American voter for the last 20 years.

The republican and democrat voter is richly getting what they richly deserve.

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JT: What are our options if all voters are getting what they deserve? We dont have to chose between bad and worse. Right now the replublicans are worse. I dont want to have a do nothing Congress. People need help. I mean the middle class. The middle class is the backbone of this nation.

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To GOP is Gone :

I am about as conservative as one can get ………….. and at least we pretty much agree on this one.

Profile, profile and then profile !

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I won’t hold my breath waiting on any leftists to apologize for THEIR insults. It’s not their style.

I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

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What are you folks complaining about? you don’t need the government. you big bad capitalists can do everything better.

go find blackwater to protect you or do the work yourself on the plane.

buy life insurance and you will not have to worry about death.

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Kamchak:

My understanding is that Doggone was the first to broach the subject.

but since you aren’t a lady

You’ve got it, sister…..I never claimed to be. Were I a lady, I would have let your lie lay where you left it. You would have liked that, wouldn’t you?

Moving on….

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the day I feel I need validation from a tool like you will also be the day I slit my wrists.

A good insurance policy will cover therapy for that.

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Yes Common Sense, I have some too. If it walks, talks, prays and looks like a terrorist, it probably is a terrorist.

Now when my Arabic looking man opens his mouth and sounds like Gomer Pyle, then he is probably a southern born guy who happens to look like Klinger.

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My understanding is that Doggone was the first to broach the subject.

But you didn’t know it at the time. Your true nature showed itself–ugly is in your soul.

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And I’m also sure that the Congressional Intelligence Committee will look into profiling Conservatives and other wingnuts, in between drunken rants on CSpan, of course.

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Kamchak:

And a liar with intent to do harm is in your soul.

Now….are we ready to move on, sister?

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A profile of Bush revealed that he is not qualified to lead a class in “reading” a picture book much less leading a nation. Where was profiling when we needed it. Of course, Cheney is evil and even Bush finally realized that much, four years too late. And to think that they’re the best Republicans that money can buy. Ewwwww. Palin/McCain 2012. That’s the ticket.

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It looks like the Obama administration only applies the word “terror” when it serves HIM.

A U.S. government that has barred the phrase “war on terror” has nonetheless acknowledged that a failed Christmas day bomb attack on an airliner was a terrorist attempt. Can we all now drop the pretense that we stopped fighting a war once Dick Cheney and George W. Bush left the White House?

….if we understand that we are still fighting a multifront war against the various elements of radical Islam. This time, thanks to luck and bravery, the 278 passengers and crew of Northwest Flight 253 avoided death. We’d rather take the luck out of it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704680804574620931268246094.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Well, I might of knowed. I seen a picture of the guy that tried to blow up the plane and he’s one of Those People!

Anyhow, get ready for another round of running 90 year old grandmas thru all kind of machines at the airport. While people that have a bomb strapped to their legs get on a plane without getting checked.

I read somewhere that this guy never got checked when he got on the plane headed for Detroit. He got off of the plane from Nigeria and just set in a seperate area in the airport in Holland till his plane was ready to leave for Detroit. Then they just put him on it without going thru any more machines. You reckon that had anything to do with it?

Nah–the Southern Comforts in Nigeria just didn’t do their job. They were probly writing up a storm on Bookman’s blog like our Southern Comfort. Instead of checking the passengers.

Have a good day everybody.

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Can we all now drop the pretense that we stopped fighting a war once Dick Cheney and George W. Bush left the White House?

Did we go and invade ANOTHER country.

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Taxpayer

If you can’t keep it down after watching Fox, it kinda defeats the purpose.

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Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…

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But Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), chair of the intelligence subcommittee of the House Homeland Security Committee, said this weekend that the administration has to be cautious. “Civil liberties matter, and we must stay mindful that an overreaction has the potential to overwhelm the system and fail to make us more safe,” she said in an interview.

Versus being deader than hell.

You are expendable but wittle dummycrat feminine fweelings are not.

Either that or they WANT you to get blown up.

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Anyway, this terrorist was apparently supposed to go through at least one if not two full body scans before he ever got on a flight headed here to the states. Now, what good is it to buy these folks in Nigeria all this fancy equipment if they are not going to use it.

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Taxpayer:

If you ever spent any time in Lagos (I spent a whole week/eternity there once) you would know the answer to that question. I stayed in the best hotel they had (we had running water in the morning and evening only) and if you tried to go for a jog on the beach it was just too hard to keep dodging the human waste. I could go one but ………………..

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Hey now, lay off Faux News! They got the okay to misinform the public, court ruling.

http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html

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Good morning…

Ain’t we all just up on the wrong side of the bed…

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I read your apology and the acceptance…I thought it was sweet and sincere and so was the acceptance…there are, though, some of us leftie liberals who do apologize when we inadvertantly say or do the wrong thing…so, take a deep breath…

Where are y’all getting the White Russian Muslims? Belarus (White Russia) has a population of 15-20,000 Muslim Tartars in a population of about 10,000,000…

redneck

“Well, I might of knowed. I seen a picture of the guy that tried to blow up the plane and he’s one of Those People!”

Now you jes’ hold on a minute…de didn’ look no more Messican than me or you!

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Fear and Loathing(cont.)— There is more and more creepy government advertisements on radio and television these days.

” They couldn’t answer the simplest criticism of socialism without employing some Leninist cliché. One got the distinct impression that they didn’t really believe what they were saying. There are no billboards or signs in Russia other than massive banners with giant red letters proclaiming the glories of the revolution in general and Lenin in particular. Our guides seemed embarrassed to read them to us. “

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Fear and Loathing(cont.)– Yes,,,,,,,,,,,,the police state. One must destroy freedom to preserve it I guess.

“By the time of our departure to London we felt as though we were escaping the country. The oppressiveness of a police state is something that affects even a short-term visitor very quickly, At the Moscow airport one of us discovered that the restrooms had no toilet paper. To get some one must track down a surly female custodian who then grudgingly issues a few sheets from a roll on a broom. If toilet paper were in the restrooms, we were told, it would be stolen by locals as it, like everything else, is in short supply.

There was a spontaneous cheer that went up when our British Airways pilot informed us we were leaving Soviet air space. “

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Fear and Loathing(cont.)———This is the meat of the essay. Bureaucratic weight. Bureaucratic weight. Bureaucratic weight.

“From a libertarian standpoint, my visit to the Soviet Union served to reinforce the wisdom and necessity of a non-interventionist military and foreign policy for the U.S. War is quite literally the only thing that could “save” the USSR. It is a society that appears to be crumbling from within. If we can avoid confrontation with the Soviets over the next twenty years, their system should collapse of its own bureaucratic weight. It is a society in deeper trouble than the much-publicized Polish situation. If it represents fertile ground for revolution — and it does — think how the rest of the USSR would react to an opportunity for change. “

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Danged terrorists. STAND STILL! How do you expect our $650 billion per year DoD to get you if you keep moving! That just adds a whole new level of complexity to the problem. How can we expect the DoD to design stuff that goes after moving targets for that amount of money. We’re gonna need to borrow more from China.

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“their system should collapse of its own bureaucratic weight”

My, that sounds familiar. Folks here keep their eyes closed to any possibility that this could happen to us, yet there are many around the world cheering for the collapse of these united states. We are on a path where our economy will barely sustain the debt service, much less the debt, and there will be no knight in shining armor to lend a hand. USSR 2?

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Their goal is to bankrupt us.

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“Their goal is to bankrupt us.”

“Their” being the representatives of the Congress of these united states.

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WASHINGTON — Backtracking from a widely criticized assertion over the weekend, the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano, said in a televised interview on Monday that the thwarted bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas represented a failure of the nation’s aviation security system, not a success.

Ms. Napolitano said on the “Today” program on NBC that her remark on Sunday that the system worked had been taken out of context. “Our system did not work in this instance,” she said on the program. “No one is happy or satisfied with that. An extensive review is under way.”

What is it with this administration, and all their backtracking….what Obama likes to call clarification? Is it any wonder the American people are showing a lack of confidence in this administration? Can they stand firm on anything!!?!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29terror.htm

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Napalitano is PC and incompetent, not what we need in that position.

That position needs a career security individual (police, military, intell, etc), not a career politician.

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josef,

obl and his gang.

His declaration of war gave the goal of bankrupting the US.

Our corrupt Congress and the establishment are helping with his goal.

They are winning and American cons are scared .

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The elites in Iran, France, England and other countries are scared too.

Lets hope 2010 is the year of accountability and a great year for the people.

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Talk about scared:

“Islam is not just a relgion: It is an economic, religious, judicial, educational, political and military system. We ignore that at our peril.”

I rest my case.

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AmVet:

I guess you’re looking for a response from me?

I happen to agree with Andy about feminine emotions. They’re pretty much self-defeating. Personal appearance? That’s individual preference.

I remember when your good friend “B” gave us his rating method.

And to ^^^ that you say…….?

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The difference between this admin and the previous admin is that Obama can admit to mistakes, while W simply didn’t make any.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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If I have offended any dogface dummycrat women, please accept my humble apology, except for you, stupid Homeland “Security” he/she.

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Wow !

http://www.foxnewsgirls.com/

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Abdul was escorted on to the plane, but not by Obama. Obama was in Hawaii. However, the whereabouts of Cheeeney remain unknown.

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To getalife:

Yes I am scared ……… not for me at my age but for my grandchildren. You appear to be too foolish to be scared. I suppose you are like those Jews in the 1930’s who just sewed those little yellow stars on their coats. No big deal. I don’t know if you have visited a fully Islamic country as I have but yes …….. they are pretty scary places. Have you seen the news in Iran today?

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RT:

I don’t recall Pakistan ever using chemical weapons (WMDs) to commit genocide against an entire ethnic population within their borders.

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“I don’t know if you have visited a fully Islamic country as I have but yes …….. they are pretty scary places.”

And there’s a perfect ‘w’ style ignorant comment to kick of celebration of THE BIG ZERO…lol…

Seriously though, most people who buy that crap can’t read – better to say it loudly in the unemployment line…

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common sense…

Okay, I’ll drop the flippant for the moment…

“Islam is not just a relgion: It is an economic, religious, judicial, educational, political and military system. We ignore that at our peril.”

I will agree, but then so are Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism and any other theological order of the universe -ism. The problem is when these -isms take over the state apparatus and/or catch the public fancy as a cure all for what ails that particular society. The rise of the secular state in the modern era has been successful in some societies and not in others. There are those states where Islam is the majority religion where this transition has been, to a greater or lesser degree, successful and I have previously given several examples. To lump all Muslims together as being residents of and adherents of the theocratic is, I would posit, where the danger lies and we ignore them at our own peril.

We don’t see a wave of Islamicist terrorists coming out of Albania, Macedonia, Turkey or even Kossovo and Bosnia–the latter two ripe for just such given their recent histories–for a good reason, they have, more or less, made the transition to the modern, secular state and, even in Iraq, freed of the Baghdad regime, the Kurds would join that group.

It is not Islam we should be fearful of, but its hijacking by extremists acting in the name of Islam. To give them “credit” for speaking for Islam would be equivalent to saying that the Catholics or Protestants in Ulster are the voice of Christianity…

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Jo, I agree with what you say, but one must admit that this particular ism is the more widely hijacked de jure. All ism’s have their whackos, but not all whackos are as violent.

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josef:

………….. and here is your answer. You’ve seen it before:

There are three types of Islam:

1) Westernized Islam – a minority of Muslims in the U.S. are in this category. They worship Allah in sincerity but they also (because of their education and secularization) embrace freedom and Western democracy. They fear the other two forms of Islam probably as much as we do.

2) Basic Islam – most Muslims in the world fall into this category and many live in the U.S. They embrace Islam in its unbridled totality (educational, societal, legal, military, religious, etc.,). They may not individually murder or terrorize in the name of Allah/Islam but neither to they verbally condemn those who do. Radical Islam recruits from their ranks. This type of Islam must be marginalized in the U.S. as much as possible (including immigration) or given enough time and volume it will ensure the destruction of this Republic as we know it.

3) Radical Islam – these types of Muslims will stop at nothing to physically force their vicious schism of Islam on the world. They are pure evil and every effort must be made to totally eradicate their influence and existance from the face of the earth.

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Thank you. And I would agree that this -ism has been more widely, and more dangerously, hijacked. However, it is factors other than the -ism itself we should be looking at in trying to get a handle on how to succesfully counter it. I would maintain that that will be found in the modern, secular state where the majority population is Muslim…

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“Besides, we got better things to do with that $650 billion annual DoD budget”

I am a firm believer that all the “budgets” need to be reduced, not just one.

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SoCo

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gone upstairs also …………………

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AmVet:

I didn’t complain about “B’s” rating method. Neither did you. The term “gal” is southern, racist, and outdated. That’s it in your “nutshell”.

I refer to everyone….male and female as “you guys” placing everyone on equal ground. When specifically addressing/referring to a female, I usually use “woman”. I’m free to be a little more descriptive when pointing to inadequacies in men.

So how are yours hangin’, dude?

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500!

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