Hero of Flight 253 recounts terror attempt
Here’s a CNN interview with Jasper Schuringa, one of the passengers on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253 into Detroit. Accounts emerging so far credit the young Dutchman with initiating the effort by passengers and crew to thwart the terrorist attack.
“We just jumped and tried to save the plane,” he says. “And we did luckily save the plane.”
Schuringa’s quick action apparently helped save many lives, and he deserves a lot of praise. On the other hand, when somebody is thrust from anonymity into the heat of the media spotlight, you always have to worry about how they’ll handle it. Based on this interview, Schuringa doesn’t seem all that enthralled with the spotlight. Somehow, that makes his story all the more appealing.
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Sharon
December 28th, 2009
9:08 am
He is cool. I like the way he kept trying to end the interview towards the end.
Stay on Topic
December 28th, 2009
9:09 am
JT: What are our options if all voters are getting what they deserve? We dont have to chose between bad and worse. Right now the replublicans are worse. I dont want to have a do nothing Congress. People need help. I mean the middle class. The middle class is the backbone of this nation.
eagle scout
December 28th, 2009
9:09 am
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
7:50 am
No Jeniffer….First Bush would have been airborne flying off to Offut AFB, while Cheney would be
squirreled away to his undisclosed bunker.
Can’t be too careful you know!
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
9:09 am
To GOP is Gone :
I am about as conservative as one can get ………….. and at least we pretty much agree on this one.
Profile, profile and then profile !
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
9:14 am
Pat:
LOL !
However, the real answer is:
This is war not a criminal act
Captured enemy terrorist combatant
Out of uniform !
Interrogated “intensely” for 24 hours
Shot by military firing squad within 48 hours
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:14 am
I won’t hold my breath waiting on any leftists to apologize for THEIR insults. It’s not their style.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn once.
RW-(the original)
December 28th, 2009
9:19 am
Kamchak,
I’m headed to the forest so I don’t have time to deal with your out of context accusations, but just know that the day I feel I need validation from a tool like you will also be the day I slit my wrists.
The Dogfighter Returns
December 28th, 2009
9:19 am
What are you folks complaining about? you don’t need the government. you big bad capitalists can do everything better.
go find blackwater to protect you or do the work yourself on the plane.
buy life insurance and you will not have to worry about death.
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
9:20 am
“No Jeniffer….First Bush would have been airborne flying off to Offut AFB, while Cheney would be
squirreled away to his undisclosed bunker.”
I hear ya!
@@
December 28th, 2009
9:22 am
Kamchak:
My understanding is that Doggone was the first to broach the subject.
but since you aren’t a lady
You’ve got it, sister…..I never claimed to be. Were I a lady, I would have let your lie lay where you left it. You would have liked that, wouldn’t you?
Moving on….
Kamchak
December 28th, 2009
9:27 am
I’m headed to the forest so I don’t have time to deal with your out of context accusations, but just know that the day I feel I need validation from a tool like you will also be the day I slit my wrists.
Well Heather, if the plaid skirt fits…
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:31 am
the day I feel I need validation from a tool like you will also be the day I slit my wrists.
A good insurance policy will cover therapy for that.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 28th, 2009
9:32 am
I’m sure that dogface at Homeland Security will redouble her surveillance of middle America Republicans and other “malcontents.”
GOP is Gone
December 28th, 2009
9:33 am
Yes Common Sense, I have some too. If it walks, talks, prays and looks like a terrorist, it probably is a terrorist.
Now when my Arabic looking man opens his mouth and sounds like Gomer Pyle, then he is probably a southern born guy who happens to look like Klinger.
jt
December 28th, 2009
9:34 am
Stay on Topic
December 28th, 2009
9:09 am
JT: What are our options if all voters are getting what they deserve?
I never said all voters.
As a democrat or republican voter, your option is slavery with a facade of freedom or slavery with a facade of freedom.
Buckle your seatbelt.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2009
9:34 am
My understanding is that Doggone was the first to broach the subject.
But you didn’t know it at the time. Your true nature showed itself–ugly is in your soul.
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
9:34 am
I heard Abdul the terrorist was a rich kid who went to private school. Shrub went to The Kinkaid School, hmmm…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 28th, 2009
9:35 am
And I’m also sure that the Congressional Intelligence Committee will look into profiling Conservatives and other wingnuts, in between drunken rants on CSpan, of course.
GOP is Gone
December 28th, 2009
9:36 am
Abdul is the London educated engineer son of a Nigerian “banker”, who did turn him in though…..
@@
December 28th, 2009
9:38 am
Kamchak:
And a liar with intent to do harm is in your soul.
Now….are we ready to move on, sister?
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
9:42 am
“who did turn him in though…..”
Okay, similarities end here.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:44 am
A profile of Bush revealed that he is not qualified to lead a class in “reading” a picture book much less leading a nation. Where was profiling when we needed it. Of course, Cheney is evil and even Bush finally realized that much, four years too late. And to think that they’re the best Republicans that money can buy. Ewwwww. Palin/McCain 2012. That’s the ticket.
Rightwing Troll
December 28th, 2009
9:45 am
“There you have it America, these are the people running your country into the ground, makes perfect sense now what’s wrong, doesn’t it?”
That is EXACTLY why they lost in 2008….
What happened yesterday??? The Nut Sacks are all in a tizzy today…
I see a lot of false Bravado from the false prophets…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
@@
December 28th, 2009
9:48 am
It looks like the Obama administration only applies the word “terror” when it serves HIM.
A U.S. government that has barred the phrase “war on terror” has nonetheless acknowledged that a failed Christmas day bomb attack on an airliner was a terrorist attempt. Can we all now drop the pretense that we stopped fighting a war once Dick Cheney and George W. Bush left the White House?
….if we understand that we are still fighting a multifront war against the various elements of radical Islam. This time, thanks to luck and bravery, the 278 passengers and crew of Northwest Flight 253 avoided death. We’d rather take the luck out of it.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704680804574620931268246094.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:48 am
Now THAT is true desperation.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 28th, 2009
9:49 am
Well, I might of knowed. I seen a picture of the guy that tried to blow up the plane and he’s one of Those People!
Anyhow, get ready for another round of running 90 year old grandmas thru all kind of machines at the airport. While people that have a bomb strapped to their legs get on a plane without getting checked.
I read somewhere that this guy never got checked when he got on the plane headed for Detroit. He got off of the plane from Nigeria and just set in a seperate area in the airport in Holland till his plane was ready to leave for Detroit. Then they just put him on it without going thru any more machines. You reckon that had anything to do with it?
Nah–the Southern Comforts in Nigeria just didn’t do their job. They were probly writing up a storm on Bookman’s blog like our Southern Comfort. Instead of checking the passengers.
Have a good day everybody.
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
9:49 am
GOP is Gone:
Well, I’m Southern Baptist but I look like a white Russian (so I could be Muslim) so give me a little more scrutiny at the airport but leave the 95 year old lady alone.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:50 am
Can we all now drop the pretense that we stopped fighting a war once Dick Cheney and George W. Bush left the White House?
Did we go and invade ANOTHER country.
jt
December 28th, 2009
9:51 am
AND get your papers in order.
You’ll be showing them alot more in the years to come.
Upon request.
Any request.
It is just the price for freedom I guess.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2009
9:52 am
Taxpayer
If you can’t keep it down after watching Fox, it kinda defeats the purpose.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:53 am
Oops! That earlier post should have read Did we go and invade ANOTHER sovereign nation.
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
9:54 am
Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
9:56 am
Meanwhile:
Private Obama is in Hawaii ……………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1FaflUn4Co
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 28th, 2009
9:57 am
But Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.), chair of the intelligence subcommittee of the House Homeland Security Committee, said this weekend that the administration has to be cautious. “Civil liberties matter, and we must stay mindful that an overreaction has the potential to overwhelm the system and fail to make us more safe,” she said in an interview.
Versus being deader than hell.
You are expendable but wittle dummycrat feminine fweelings are not.
Either that or they WANT you to get blown up.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
9:57 am
If you can’t keep it down after watching Fox, it kinda defeats the purpose.
I wonder how long the guy would have to wait before attempting to eat. It probably depends on a combination of factors including whether Beck was the last thing he saw versus one of the FOXY ladies. Some of them are not too bad to look at but you do have to remember to mute them.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
10:00 am
Anyway, this terrorist was apparently supposed to go through at least one if not two full body scans before he ever got on a flight headed here to the states. Now, what good is it to buy these folks in Nigeria all this fancy equipment if they are not going to use it.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2009
10:02 am
…versus one of the FOXY ladies. Some of them are not too bad to look at but you do have to remember to mute them.
I feel the need to re-iterate my earlier point–beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes down to the soul.
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
10:04 am
Taxpayer:
If you ever spent any time in Lagos (I spent a whole week/eternity there once) you would know the answer to that question. I stayed in the best hotel they had (we had running water in the morning and evening only) and if you tried to go for a jog on the beach it was just too hard to keep dodging the human waste. I could go one but ………………..
@@
December 28th, 2009
10:05 am
Did we go and invade ANOTHER country.
Your call, Taxpayer. Obama said he’d go with a unilateral invasion into Pakistan if need be.
Who is Behind the Drone Attacks?
Since President Barack Obama was inaugurated, the United States has expanded drone bombing raids in Pakistan. Obama first ordered a drone strike against targets in North and South Waziristan on January 23, and the strikes have been conducted consistently ever since. The Obama administration has now surpassed the number of Bush-era strikes in Pakistan and has faced fierce criticism from Pakistan and some US lawmakers over civilian deaths. A drone attack in June killed as many as sixty people attending a Taliban funeral.
And Blackwater, no less!
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091207/scahill
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
10:07 am
Hey now, lay off Faux News! They got the okay to misinform the public, court ruling.
http://ceasespin.org/ceasespin_blog/ceasespin_blogger_files/fox_news_gets_okay_to_misinform_public.html
jt
December 28th, 2009
10:08 am
From “Fear and Loathing in the Soviet Union”
By Edward H. Crane
“When we reached the Finnish-Soviet border, the train groaned to a halt and a half dozen Soviet military thugs clamored on board and began checking everyone’s papers. Their modus operandi was almost comical as they threw open doors, slammed them shut, ordered us to “stand!” or “sit!” and vigorously searched our luggage, all the while eyeing us suspiciously as though the next suitcase they opened would contain arms and ammunition or, worse, a copy of The Russians. Two of us had brought along our copies of the book, and when my colleague’s was confiscated and mine was not, my friends accused me of collaborating with the enemy. “
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
10:10 am
Good morning…
Ain’t we all just up on the wrong side of the bed…
@@
I read your apology and the acceptance…I thought it was sweet and sincere and so was the acceptance…there are, though, some of us leftie liberals who do apologize when we inadvertantly say or do the wrong thing…so, take a deep breath…
Where are y’all getting the White Russian Muslims? Belarus (White Russia) has a population of 15-20,000 Muslim Tartars in a population of about 10,000,000…
redneck
“Well, I might of knowed. I seen a picture of the guy that tried to blow up the plane and he’s one of Those People!”
Now you jes’ hold on a minute…de didn’ look no more Messican than me or you!
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
10:14 am
josef nix:
White Russians? It only takes one per plane …………….. but what’s the common denominator ?
Fanatical Islam!
jt
December 28th, 2009
10:15 am
Fear and Loathing(cont.)— There is more and more creepy government advertisements on radio and television these days.
” They couldn’t answer the simplest criticism of socialism without employing some Leninist cliché. One got the distinct impression that they didn’t really believe what they were saying. There are no billboards or signs in Russia other than massive banners with giant red letters proclaiming the glories of the revolution in general and Lenin in particular. Our guides seemed embarrassed to read them to us. “
@@
December 28th, 2009
10:15 am
josef:
You’re a different kinda leftist.
so, take a deep breath
What…..are you and I engaged in some sort of birthing class? My delivery will always differ from your preferred.
(ISH)
jt
December 28th, 2009
10:18 am
Fear and Loathing(cont.)– Yes,,,,,,,,,,,,the police state. One must destroy freedom to preserve it I guess.
“By the time of our departure to London we felt as though we were escaping the country. The oppressiveness of a police state is something that affects even a short-term visitor very quickly, At the Moscow airport one of us discovered that the restrooms had no toilet paper. To get some one must track down a surly female custodian who then grudgingly issues a few sheets from a roll on a broom. If toilet paper were in the restrooms, we were told, it would be stolen by locals as it, like everything else, is in short supply.
There was a spontaneous cheer that went up when our British Airways pilot informed us we were leaving Soviet air space. “
md
December 28th, 2009
10:19 am
The comments about Fox are a bit comical. If you haven’t figured it out, all media is slanted. There is not one on the planet that doesn’t have an agenda – but it is funny to listen to the side choosers that will defend anything and everything their “side” tells them to. Kind of like trying to blame any one side for 9/11. Come on folks, do a little more research and open your eyes.
jt
December 28th, 2009
10:22 am
Fear and Loathing(cont.)———This is the meat of the essay. Bureaucratic weight. Bureaucratic weight. Bureaucratic weight.
“From a libertarian standpoint, my visit to the Soviet Union served to reinforce the wisdom and necessity of a non-interventionist military and foreign policy for the U.S. War is quite literally the only thing that could “save” the USSR. It is a society that appears to be crumbling from within. If we can avoid confrontation with the Soviets over the next twenty years, their system should collapse of its own bureaucratic weight. It is a society in deeper trouble than the much-publicized Polish situation. If it represents fertile ground for revolution — and it does — think how the rest of the USSR would react to an opportunity for change. “
jt
December 28th, 2009
10:25 am
Fear and Loathing in the Soviet Union
By Edward H. Crane
“I wish more political activists on both the left and the right could spend a few days in the Soviet Union. Leftists could see firsthand how thoroughly corrupt and unworkable socialism is. Conservatives could see how absurd it is to view the Soviet system as a threat to the West or attractive to the Third World. Peace and free trade. That is the answer to the Soviet “threat.”
Peace and free trade.
Real peace,,Real free trade,,,sans politicians.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
10:28 am
Danged terrorists. STAND STILL! How do you expect our $650 billion per year DoD to get you if you keep moving! That just adds a whole new level of complexity to the problem. How can we expect the DoD to design stuff that goes after moving targets for that amount of money. We’re gonna need to borrow more from China.
@@
December 28th, 2009
10:29 am
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who is charged with the attempted Christmas Day bombing of Northwest Airlines flight 253, told FBI agents others with similar training to him were now ready to launch their own attacks, according to the US network ABC.
The claim came as al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula released its first communication since the failed bombing.
In a written statement it called on “the people of the Arabian peninsula” to attack American military installations, ships and “spying embassies”.
Welcome to the world of reality, President Obama, where unicorns are looking to impale us.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6969645.ece
md
December 28th, 2009
10:32 am
“their system should collapse of its own bureaucratic weight”
My, that sounds familiar. Folks here keep their eyes closed to any possibility that this could happen to us, yet there are many around the world cheering for the collapse of these united states. We are on a path where our economy will barely sustain the debt service, much less the debt, and there will be no knight in shining armor to lend a hand. USSR 2?
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
10:32 am
@@
Now, now…I kinda like your delivery…
Incidentally, I’m one of those, like you, who’s been trying to keep up with the goings on in Iran…was watching the news and it’s on, and on, and on about this terrorist attempted bombing with not much “news” about him, his motivation, his handlers or what have you, and hardly anything about the Irani events, events which will have more fall out reprecussions…
common sense—
Still, though, why White Russians? I say we crack down on folks coming in from Hungary…they got a mosque there, the Jakovali Hassan, been servin’ them infidels since the 1500s, sleeper cell just a waitin, no doubt…
getalife
December 28th, 2009
10:36 am
Their goal is to bankrupt us.
AmVet
December 28th, 2009
10:40 am
“I’m sure that dogface at Homeland Security will redouble her surveillance of middle America Republicans and other “malcontents.”
“You are expendable but wittle dummycrat feminine fweelings are not.”
And I’m the chauvinist?
So predictably Republican and hypocritically dishonest…
md
December 28th, 2009
10:40 am
“Their goal is to bankrupt us.”
“Their” being the representatives of the Congress of these united states.
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
10:40 am
getalife
“Their goal is to bankrupt us.”
Not sure who “they” are, but from the looks of things they’re either successful already or are a day late and a dollar short…we’re there…
@@
December 28th, 2009
10:41 am
WASHINGTON — Backtracking from a widely criticized assertion over the weekend, the secretary of homeland security, Janet Napolitano, said in a televised interview on Monday that the thwarted bombing of a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas represented a failure of the nation’s aviation security system, not a success.
Ms. Napolitano said on the “Today” program on NBC that her remark on Sunday that the system worked had been taken out of context. “Our system did not work in this instance,” she said on the program. “No one is happy or satisfied with that. An extensive review is under way.”
What is it with this administration, and all their backtracking….what Obama likes to call clarification? Is it any wonder the American people are showing a lack of confidence in this administration? Can they stand firm on anything!!?!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29terror.htm
godless heathen
December 28th, 2009
10:45 am
Napolitano, the political hack that the O-man appointed to be Secretary of Homeland Security has changed her tune to ‘the system failed” from “the system worked.” that she claimed yesterday. Before the handlers got to her, she thought a failed detonator was a successful system. What a joke.
md
December 28th, 2009
10:47 am
Napalitano is PC and incompetent, not what we need in that position.
That position needs a career security individual (police, military, intell, etc), not a career politician.
getalife
December 28th, 2009
10:47 am
Check out this picture:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/27/iran-protestors-beat-poli_n_404533.html
They are winning.
getalife
December 28th, 2009
10:50 am
josef,
obl and his gang.
His declaration of war gave the goal of bankrupting the US.
Our corrupt Congress and the establishment are helping with his goal.
They are winning and American cons are scared .
Kamchak
December 28th, 2009
10:54 am
…American cons are scared .
American cons have been trained to be scared since the introduction of talk-radio. Fox News just added the element of moving pictures.
getalife
December 28th, 2009
10:56 am
The elites in Iran, France, England and other countries are scared too.
Lets hope 2010 is the year of accountability and a great year for the people.
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
10:59 am
josef nix:
Now josef, don’t be flippant on me. Islam is not just a relgion: It is an economic, religious, judicial, educational, political and military system. We ignore that at our peril.
getalife
December 28th, 2009
11:00 am
Talk about scared:
“Islam is not just a relgion: It is an economic, religious, judicial, educational, political and military system. We ignore that at our peril.”
I rest my case.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
11:02 am
It’s the end of the world as we know it… No, wait. it’s just common sense.
@@
December 28th, 2009
11:04 am
AmVet:
I guess you’re looking for a response from me?
I happen to agree with Andy about feminine emotions. They’re pretty much self-defeating. Personal appearance? That’s individual preference.
I remember when your good friend “B” gave us his rating method.
And to ^^^ that you say…….?
Rightwing Troll
December 28th, 2009
11:05 am
“Your call, Taxpayer. Obama said he’d go with a unilateral invasion into Pakistan if need be.”
At least there’s REAL WMD’s there, not fantasy WMD’s, so I guess Obama’s whitehouse won’t need to cook the intel.
Redneck Convert,
I’m pretty sure Obama personally escorted this nigerian onto the airplane, thus allowing him to bypass the usual security measures.
Rightwing Troll
December 28th, 2009
11:07 am
The difference between this admin and the previous admin is that Obama can admit to mistakes, while W simply didn’t make any.
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
getalife
December 28th, 2009
11:08 am
“I’m pretty sure Obama personally escorted this nigerian onto the airplane, thus allowing him to bypass the usual security measures.”
Yeah, drudge posted this first conspiracy theory.
The well dressed man (ht/zz top) was Obama.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 28th, 2009
11:10 am
If I have offended any dogface dummycrat women, please accept my humble apology, except for you, stupid Homeland “Security” he/she.
TW
December 28th, 2009
11:10 am
Amidst the alcoholic arrogance of US might, the boy form the land of pot – evil pot – saves the day.
How perfect.
Scout
December 28th, 2009
11:11 am
Wow !
http://www.foxnewsgirls.com/
md
December 28th, 2009
11:12 am
“Obama can admit to mistakes”
Huh? Must be the glasses.
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
11:13 am
Abdul was escorted on to the plane, but not by Obama. Obama was in Hawaii. However, the whereabouts of Cheeeney remain unknown.
TW
December 28th, 2009
11:13 am
THE BIG ZERO…lmao…too kind, actually
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/opinion/28krugman.html
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
11:15 am
To getalife:
Yes I am scared ……… not for me at my age but for my grandchildren. You appear to be too foolish to be scared. I suppose you are like those Jews in the 1930’s who just sewed those little yellow stars on their coats. No big deal. I don’t know if you have visited a fully Islamic country as I have but yes …….. they are pretty scary places. Have you seen the news in Iran today?
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
11:17 am
I ain’t skeered of no danged terrorist. What are they gonna do, try to blow up my little old house way out in the woods. There’s no shock and awe in that. I think the ones that are skeered are the high profile folks. Have you noticed that folks like that CEO over at Goldman Sachs, the one that’s doing God’s work, doesn’t spend much time on the top floors of tall buildings. Maybe God had a little one on one with him.
@@
December 28th, 2009
11:20 am
RT:
I don’t recall Pakistan ever using chemical weapons (WMDs) to commit genocide against an entire ethnic population within their borders.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
11:21 am
Leave it to “Common Sense” to try and link World War II to a foiled terrorist attempt.
TW
December 28th, 2009
11:21 am
“I don’t know if you have visited a fully Islamic country as I have but yes …….. they are pretty scary places.”
And there’s a perfect ‘w’ style ignorant comment to kick of celebration of THE BIG ZERO…lol…
Seriously though, most people who buy that crap can’t read – better to say it loudly in the unemployment line…
md
December 28th, 2009
11:22 am
“What are they gonna do, try to blow up my little old house way out in the woods.”
We now know where the parts will fall when that plane falls out of the sky.
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
11:23 am
common sense…
Okay, I’ll drop the flippant for the moment…
“Islam is not just a relgion: It is an economic, religious, judicial, educational, political and military system. We ignore that at our peril.”
I will agree, but then so are Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Taoism and any other theological order of the universe -ism. The problem is when these -isms take over the state apparatus and/or catch the public fancy as a cure all for what ails that particular society. The rise of the secular state in the modern era has been successful in some societies and not in others. There are those states where Islam is the majority religion where this transition has been, to a greater or lesser degree, successful and I have previously given several examples. To lump all Muslims together as being residents of and adherents of the theocratic is, I would posit, where the danger lies and we ignore them at our own peril.
We don’t see a wave of Islamicist terrorists coming out of Albania, Macedonia, Turkey or even Kossovo and Bosnia–the latter two ripe for just such given their recent histories–for a good reason, they have, more or less, made the transition to the modern, secular state and, even in Iraq, freed of the Baghdad regime, the Kurds would join that group.
It is not Islam we should be fearful of, but its hijacking by extremists acting in the name of Islam. To give them “credit” for speaking for Islam would be equivalent to saying that the Catholics or Protestants in Ulster are the voice of Christianity…
TW
December 28th, 2009
11:27 am
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
11:23 am
Very well stated, sir.
md
December 28th, 2009
11:29 am
Jo, I agree with what you say, but one must admit that this particular ism is the more widely hijacked de jure. All ism’s have their whackos, but not all whackos are as violent.
therese persaud
December 28th, 2009
11:32 am
My my aren’t we all in a tizzy over that pissy attempt by a ‘mooslim’to signal to the world’s leading terrorist , the U.S., that life for ordinary Americans is going to be fraught with some danger until the ‘ordinary’ figure that their real ‘rulers’ (capitalist robbers of world resources, exporters of the deadliest weapons on the face of the planet,supporter of another terrorist state by providing required WMD)need to be hounded!! Obama cannot do it by himself ,he is dealing with a well oiled machinery that operates on its own. So now we are proclaiming that we will help the protesters in Iran!!!LOL Who cares about negotiations …..same old same old strategy of destabilization
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
11:34 am
josef:
………….. and here is your answer. You’ve seen it before:
There are three types of Islam:
1) Westernized Islam – a minority of Muslims in the U.S. are in this category. They worship Allah in sincerity but they also (because of their education and secularization) embrace freedom and Western democracy. They fear the other two forms of Islam probably as much as we do.
2) Basic Islam – most Muslims in the world fall into this category and many live in the U.S. They embrace Islam in its unbridled totality (educational, societal, legal, military, religious, etc.,). They may not individually murder or terrorize in the name of Allah/Islam but neither to they verbally condemn those who do. Radical Islam recruits from their ranks. This type of Islam must be marginalized in the U.S. as much as possible (including immigration) or given enough time and volume it will ensure the destruction of this Republic as we know it.
3) Radical Islam – these types of Muslims will stop at nothing to physically force their vicious schism of Islam on the world. They are pure evil and every effort must be made to totally eradicate their influence and existance from the face of the earth.
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
11:36 am
We now know where the parts will fall when that plane falls out of the sky.
The odds of me getting hit by a train, with the nearest track being many miles away, are about the same. I’ll take my chances. I much prefer to just let folks like that Goldman CEO buy an insurance policy, or his own army, to protect his assets and I’ll do the same with mine. That is the Republican way, isn’t it. Get rid of government from businesses and such and let them do their thing without the burden of government oversight and regulation and what not. Works for me. Besides, we got better things to do with that $650 billion annual DoD budget than spend it protecting folks that can afford to pay for their own protection. Unless you want to volunteer to protect them, that is.
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
11:37 am
TW, md
Thank you. And I would agree that this -ism has been more widely, and more dangerously, hijacked. However, it is factors other than the -ism itself we should be looking at in trying to get a handle on how to succesfully counter it. I would maintain that that will be found in the modern, secular state where the majority population is Muslim…
Southern Comfort
December 28th, 2009
11:38 am
Polite lawn bowling clap for josef’s 11:23.
md
December 28th, 2009
11:40 am
“Besides, we got better things to do with that $650 billion annual DoD budget”
I am a firm believer that all the “budgets” need to be reduced, not just one.
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
11:41 am
gone upstairs
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
11:42 am
SoCo
Taxpayer
December 28th, 2009
11:43 am
Let us not forget the Oklahoma-ism. If only their way of life out west had not been made into a musical, perhaps things could have been different. Them folks out west just looked all sissified in that musical and they had to go and show the world that they were so tough. Home grown terrorists and it was all because of that musical. Now they got themselves a reputation and they don’t even need no religion to support their cause. Oklahoma will forevermore be remembered as a rather dark musical now that history has been re-written.
Common Sense
December 28th, 2009
11:43 am
gone upstairs also …………………
AmVet
December 28th, 2009
11:46 am
To that I say, its worth repeating – typically Republican and hypocritically dishonest…
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December 28th, 2009
12:07 pm
AmVet:
I didn’t complain about “B’s” rating method. Neither did you. The term “gal” is southern, racist, and outdated. That’s it in your “nutshell”.
I refer to everyone….male and female as “you guys” placing everyone on equal ground. When specifically addressing/referring to a female, I usually use “woman”. I’m free to be a little more descriptive when pointing to inadequacies in men.
So how are yours hangin’, dude?
josef nix
December 28th, 2009
12:29 pm
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Just to be argumentative–”you guys” is Yankee imperialist linguistic colonialism…a guy is masculine and goes back to Guy Fawkes and is, in origin, derogatory…y’all is the correct term and is acceptable by Magadelene College of Oxford University (OED) as the informal second person plural… no emoticon… but insert smile…
Jenifer
December 28th, 2009
2:34 pm
500!