Hero of Flight 253 recounts terror attempt
Here’s a CNN interview with Jasper Schuringa, one of the passengers on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253 into Detroit. Accounts emerging so far credit the young Dutchman with initiating the effort by passengers and crew to thwart the terrorist attack.
“We just jumped and tried to save the plane,” he says. “And we did luckily save the plane.”
Schuringa’s quick action apparently helped save many lives, and he deserves a lot of praise. On the other hand, when somebody is thrust from anonymity into the heat of the media spotlight, you always have to worry about how they’ll handle it. Based on this interview, Schuringa doesn’t seem all that enthralled with the spotlight. Somehow, that makes his story all the more appealing.
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DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:33 pm
Scout…hmmm. You have time to post, but not time to actually show me what I’ve said that requires I be read my rights. Until you do, I take it that all you have is hot air and nothing else.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:35 pm
Doggone–
Self-defense is not a learned reaction, but a response to a perceived threat…that’s why I keep coming back to the personal angle…what is a perceived threat to me may not be to you and vice-versa…
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:36 pm
DoggoneGA:
Just plead Nolo and throw yourself on the mercy of the court ……………
Off to watch the Falcons ………. later !!
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:37 pm
“Self-defense is not a learned reaction”
Maybe not, but reaction to a verbal insult IS. You, for example, might react to being called a “Dirty American Jew” because you perceive it as a threat. MY reaction would be “huh?”
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:38 pm
“Off to watch the Falcons ………. later !!”
translation: I’m talking off the top of my head. And we know about that: the conversation is like dandruff, small and flaky
getalife
December 27th, 2009
2:38 pm
Paul,
I drink Crown and never have been on the wagon.
I think Americans expect failure and are self medicating with a buffet of drugs.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:40 pm
Doggone–
That might be because you’ve not been called a “dirty Jew,” just before having the s*it knocked out of you, too. Call it association, but I learned that the luxury of “just what did s/he mean by that and what does that tell me about him/her” is best left for reflection if I wan’t to keep my teeth where G-d put them…
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:42 pm
getalife
“…and have never been on the wagon…”
I have, during the Reagan years. Big mistake. I won’t make it again…
AJC Basher
December 27th, 2009
2:46 pm
See AP bulletin — same flight, today, Nigerian passenger locks himself in the bathroom, arrested in Detroit.
Why don’t these Nigerians just take the daily flights between Lagos and ATL?
AJC Basher
December 27th, 2009
2:50 pm
The AP copy is hard to figure … was it a second arrest on the Christmas Day flight (i.e. the guy had an accomplice) or was it an arrest on today’s flight? Right now, if I’m Nigerian, I’m holding it until landing and de-planing.
AJC Basher
December 27th, 2009
2:51 pm
Meanwhile … according to the AJC, the 2010 Tour de Georgia is still cancelled. Oh, the humanity.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:54 pm
I’ve angered the blog god, Josef…let me see if I can do better…you’ll have to use your imagination to supply the words I’m trying to use!
“That might be because you’ve not been called a “dirty Jew,” just before having the s*it knocked out of you, too.”
Quite right, but I *have* been called a “dirty beotch” right before having the sheot knocked out of me. It isn’t only Jews and African Americans that get insulted and punched out, you know.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:55 pm
Ok, took 4 tries…but looks like that one got through.
Jenifer
December 27th, 2009
2:56 pm
From what sketchy information there is, it sounds like Abdul was a very tightly wound young man. Overly religious young male Muslims are not well adjusted. In fact, any young person who is overly religious is not well adjusted. Suggests that the family environment was too strict and arbitrary. The age old “I’ll show you” syndrome coupled with “You’ll be sorry when I’m dead” dynamic functions in every society. When harnessed by religious fanaticism they are deadly.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:00 pm
Doggone–
I never said it was ONLY Jews and African Americans–indeed, I was doing the exact opposite…BUT when you are the intended target, it’s a different matter…I doubt seriously that SoCo would react with the same intensity should someone call him a “dirty Jew” nor I with being called a “dirty N” have the same gut reaction…now, “dirty b*tch?” Well, let a f*ggot call me that, and it’s fist city in a flash!
We’ll see if blog G-d lets this through!
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:00 pm
“Suggests that the family environment was too strict and arbitrary”
And/or that the family (meaning the parents) relied too much on the “do as I say, not as I do” method of raising their children. I’m not averse to fighting to defend my self if it’s necessary, but it isn’t generally my first reaction. My parents were not strict, nor arbitrary…but neither were they violent, angry people and neither my sister nor I are either. But I would say we learned that more from seeing how our parents reacted to the world, than to any direct teaching from them.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:03 pm
Josef…my “sisters” in feminism don’t generally like to hear this: but I have always thought there IS a difference in how men and women react to the world. I’ll put it this way: I think it’s MUCH harder to teach most girls to react violently, while it’s MUCH harder to teach most boys NOT to.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:04 pm
Jennifer–
Agree with much of what you say, but one of the things we’re seeing from all this is that these fanatics are just as likely to come from one background as another…this particular one’s father appears to have been neither strict nor arbitrary, paying close enough attention to his offspring to try and let the authorities know he was off the chain…I don’t know if you’re a parent or not, but it really takes something to turn your child in to the authorities…if anything was missed in this, it is that that aspect was not given serious attention spot on receipt…
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
3:08 pm
Do you realize that if DoggoneGA wasn’t here today we’d still be on page one?
OK, we might be part of the way into page 2, but either way it’s an impressive display.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Josef – and there’s a lot to that in your response to Jennifer, and there’s also this: that the father may have realized he had no further control over his son and he was afraid of what that son might do. That he might also realize that he indirectly led to the son being as he is, is not necessarily so certain. Neither certain that he DID inadvertenly do so, or that if he did he realizes it.
You see it all the time: my child was a sweet, and loving child and I just can’t believe he would do (that awful thing) – yet the neighbors, or schoolmates, or workmates had reservations about him and found it not so surprising.
Sometimes the signs are there all along, but the family doesn’t – or chooses not to – see them.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:10 pm
“Do you realize that if DoggoneGA wasn’t here today we’d still be on page one?”
You do know what the scroll bar is for, don’t you?
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:11 pm
Doggone–
I appreciate what you say about sex differences. I stay into it with radical (and some not so radical) feminists over this issue. Call them anti-evolutionists and they’ll jump on you in a flash, but the idea that the homo-sapiens is so highly evolved as to have “overcome” the primordal “male protects the baby factory to insure the survival of the species” is a patently absurd precept.
Truthpaste
December 27th, 2009
3:11 pm
I’m still thinking about the JetBlue “trial run” that supposedly occurred a couple of weeks back and how everyone was screaming cover up. Now, this event actually happens, is broadcast all over the nation. No mass emails from facebook, embellished tales of Jack Bauerism by a passenger that wasn’t even on the flight. Kudos to the proactive passenger that did what he had to to ensure the safety of the flight.
Jenifer
December 27th, 2009
3:11 pm
“I don’t know if you’re a parent or not, but it really takes something to turn your child in to the authorities…”
Yes, I am a parent, and I’m sure it would take everything in me to turn them in to the authorities. However, unless I’ve missed the story on this, we don’t know the relationship background of Abdul and his father.
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
3:13 pm
You do know what the scroll bar is for, don’t you?
Where does one find one of those bars? I had a wheel on my mouse but it wore out.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:14 pm
“but the idea that the homo-sapiens is so highly evolved as to have “overcome” the primordal “male protects the baby factory to insure the survival of the species” is a patently absurd precept.”
I agree. If differences weren’t crucial to the survival of the species, they wouldn’t be there. and appropos the subject, I once read the opinion that “a mother’s job is to teach gentleness to her sons.” Can’t remember who said that, and I don’t disagree with it…but I think the corollary is true also: that a father’s job is too teach his daughters to be tougher.
The BIG job is not to go too far in either direction!
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:15 pm
“Where does one find one of those bars?”
Google is your friend
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:21 pm
Doggone–
Parents, children, society and their perceptions the one of the other. Society in general always told Mama what a pefect little gentleman I was with my “ma’ams, sirs,” holding doors, helping with packages and all the thousand and one other LEARNED responses. Her “hrrmph, you don’t know him” was just as much the truth, for all that was a cover for what a mean little sh*t I really was. Both were true. I might contend that this fellow’s father was more the my mama.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:24 pm
“I might contend that this fellow’s father was more the my mama.”
And that’s probably pretty close to the truth. Family never WANTS to know that a member is capable of something awful, but there are times when you can just no longer cover it up…either to others, or to yourself.
Wasn’t the unibomber caught that way? Do I remember correctly, that he was turned in by his brother?
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:26 pm
Jennifer–and I think you agree that we should refrain from passing summary judgments until more is known of that relationship
Doggone–raising both boys and a girl, how to do both was a constant quandry…they assure us today we did a good job, the girl is a genteel, gentle and sweet person, but she can take care of bidness when need be, so, too, with the boys…but as much as we’d like to take the praise, it’s still they who did it, not us…they could have just as easily turned out the other way…
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:28 pm
Doggone–
The Unibomber, yes…I’ve heard some really, really interesting interviews from his brother…
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
3:29 pm
“they could have just as easily turned out the other way…”
yep, there’s no doubt about that. It’s the danger inherent in rasing youngsters who can think for themselves. When it comes right down to it, you can only show them what you think is the right way. There comes a time when you can no longer force them to go that way.
Gotta run, got things to do!
Dusty
December 27th, 2009
3:29 pm
Whooo eee…..some people don’t have much to do. I’m here to help.
New Healthcare Program from a Republican (me): Drop this whole NEW mess and cut out the expensive throw-ins in Medicare and make it basic..No frills. All members of Congress and their staffs will be offered Medicare and no other health insurance.
Give all SEAL applicants a truth test and ask them if they are brave!! If they are, ask them to face Doggone to see if they pass.
Train dogis to smell explosives and put them on planes as air marshalls. Big bull dogs preferred.
Make everybody who says “Bush did it” take a drug test or a compancy test. If they are neither drugged nor dumb, put them in “stocks” as in the old days.
As to Congress, send ‘em Redneck. He already knows how to lie and even a pretty lobbyist would not give him the time of day and…. NOBODY would ever challenge Mz RedNeck.
To close Gitmo, play Bookman’s Saturday night blog music continuosly and all prisoners would attempt an escape and swim to Venezuela. Sharks!!!
Did I miss anything? OH YES,,,Anyone who says RAISE TAXES will be shot at dawn.
There! See how easy this is?
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 27th, 2009
3:33 pm
Anybody who thinks women can’t be as violent and mean as men, didn’t grow up in the house with my sisters.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:35 pm
DUSTY–
Hey! ‘Bout time you got here! What’s this about bull dogs…chihuahuas! Meanest little b*stids on the planet!
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:42 pm
Hillbilly–
Ask any of my six brothers and we’ll tell you we’d take each other in a pack before tangling with either one of the two sisters…perfect little ladies they were…when they said “froggie” we boys said, “jump how high?” Mama always said, “don’t ever let me hear of one of you boys hitting one the girls (pause) first…”
Dusty
December 27th, 2009
3:44 pm
I don’t think chihuahuas would cut it, JOSEF.
Maybe they could be trained to give mean dirty looks at terrorists or give the pups metal fangs like that guy on “Goldfinger”. Maybe that would do it.
I once had a Boston Bull terrier who could manufacture poison gas. Once in a closed car riding along we nearly….oh nevermind about that story. But think of a tightly sealed plane? Deadly!!
every mothers son
December 27th, 2009
3:44 pm
Don’t drop by here very often….but, today I did. And what did my wondering eyes observe? A bunch of tough guys.
Lets see old Scout himself puncturing eyeballs out with a pencil. Southern Comfort doing his best imitation of Steven Segal.
The reporter who never leaves his computer, but has time to hang-out at the airport profiling passengers. Go Figure.
Then the ripped, and buffed Josep a product of Gold’s gym I presume, and a recent grad of karate school simply thrawted a gunman with his ferioucious Chuck Norris counter attack, and who will go hammers with anyone who dares look crossways at him.
Wow….I’m impressed!
Dusty
December 27th, 2009
3:48 pm
Hey, what’s this about mean little girls? I’ll have you know that my sister and I were the best behaved and sweetest little dolls that ever graced this universe. Yep, and we could beat up anybody who thought otherwise.
Dusty
December 27th, 2009
3:57 pm
Hey, every mother’s son. 3:44
Why don’t you come back on Friday night? We have mud wrestling then. You’d love it. Maybe your mother will let you out for the night.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
3:59 pm
every mothers son
Nope, product of the rural Deep South, eight siblings and a hillside and levee full of cousins…ripped and buffed? Nyanh, that was then, this is now, I’ll just knock the h*ll out of you with my cane! And no, it wasn’t a Cuck Norris counter attack…according to eyewitnesses it bore more in common with the screaming queen! The impressions done by my friends took any of the butch-attack glory out of it!
But, really, me, Scout and SoCo are just big ole teddy bears when left the h*ll alone to discuss the philosophy of Maimonides and the best of Memphis and Nashville music…jus’ sayin’
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
4:01 pm
DUSTY–
Love that mud wrestlin’ specially when you, Doggone and @@ go at it!
NJ
December 27th, 2009
4:05 pm
This is why the Bush Doctrine of invading nation after nation was just stupid. The Bush years will most likely be remembered by historians as the Decade of Dumb.
The rest of the world is of the opinion that in 2004, John Kerry was correct. This should have been treated as a international criminal problem from the start, rather than sending large numbers of military troops all over the world, but rather set up a central command in one place, and use this as a base to strike from. Pakistani Intelligence has been telling the coalition in Afghanistan that Al Qaeda and its leaders have not been in Pakistan for years, but have been hiding out in Yemen. This is of course Bin Laden’s ancestral homeland. He is of Yemeni origin. His father moved to Saudi Arabia to take advantage of all the money to be made in the construction industry.
ACSial
December 27th, 2009
4:08 pm
This is a MUSLIM problem, plain and simple. You don’t see Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Animists, Wiccans, or even Satanists doing this sort of thing. Actually, SIKHS have blown up planeloads of people (the Babbar Khalsa bombing of that Air India plane), but that’s another story…
For all the Obama-bashing, let’s not forget that the Dubya Administration had EIGHT YEARS to deal with the ‘underlying problem’, but chose not to. The no-fly list wasn’t refined, in a way that would’ve kept Master Umar from flying with a hypergolic special in his undies. Jihadi front groups in the U.S.–Salafi mosques, CAIR and Muslim Students’ Associations–were never liquidated, and Islamic radicals ran amok unmolested by Bush’s PC-afflicted FBI, DHS and NSA. After 9/11, Dubya kicked off his shoes, read from the Qur’an at a mosque, plead for ‘tolerance’ and generally acted like a lame dhimmi. Rather than take the Saudis to task for their rotten misogynistic death cult, or committing serious troop strength to Afghanistan, Dubya poured troops into Iraq–overthrowing a SECULAR regime, so that Qur’an-thumpers in Arabia and Iran could sleep easier. (There NEVER were ‘WMDs’ in Iraq; the Ba’athist regime viciously suppressed Islamic fundamentalism and kept Iran in check.)
And conservatives could admit that their Depends-soiling hero, Ronald Reagan, helped create this mess in the first place, by aiding the Mujaheddin. Ronnie’s dementia-addled decision to support those boy-raping, woman-hating Qur’an-thumping ragheads helped lead to the fall of the secular government in Kabul, the rise of Mullah Omar and the al Qaeda bases that murdered 3,000 people on 9/11. No Mujaheddin, no Taliban, no 9/11–simple as that.
At this point, the only solution is wiping Salafi-Wahhabi Islam off the face of the earth. Other death cults (Aum Shinrikyo, the Thuggees) were extirpated, but it takes the political will. The rights of people to live without being blown to Heaven outwight the ‘right’ of pederastic, gynophobic suicide cults like fundamentalist Islam to exist.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
4:09 pm
NJ
Where’ve you been? I’ve been having to defend the Muslims…good to see you’re back and I can take a rest on that one…
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
4:11 pm
AcSial–
I’d venture that Abraham of Ur started it..
Okay, NJ, you’re on…
Dusty
December 27th, 2009
4:13 pm
josef, 4:01
@@ and I handle Doggone pretty well until her partner steps in. That Godzilla is one tough cookie!
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
4:19 pm
DUSTY–
I like all of the wimmins here…ain’t skeered of much…but y’all? I’ll be sweet and nice…
Now, every mother’s son? Oh, I’ve heard from him before…he comes in, takes a swipe and runs off…little chicken s*it in my opinion, not that my opinion is worth anything…
Dusty
December 27th, 2009
4:27 pm
Oh no. Old “Bush did it ” NJ is back . sigh..
Then we get OLD ACSial knocking Reagan AND Bush like a good liberal
Somebody call Southern Comfort. I think somebody just flew in an ACS Thugge of the death dealing cult.
I’m leaving. See you folks later. Watch where you step here.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
4:32 pm
Yeah, Lieberman wants to invade Yemen but Obama is taking the Clinton approach of using air strikes.
Probably see more air strikes because the wealthy terrorist is talking. A 23 year old from a wealthy family broke the mold on the desperate nothing to lose profile.
After killing so many Muslims, there will be blow back so we need to man up like Israel and Jasper.
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
4:34 pm
Of course it’s Obama that’s talking about sending 95 Yemeni residents of Gitmo back to Yemen to resume plotting against us, but I guess that’s Bush’s fault for catching them in the first place.
Taxpayer
December 27th, 2009
4:34 pm
Have the wingnuts been on here all day complaining about that failed attempt by some whacko on a plane.
@@
December 27th, 2009
4:36 pm
Poor, Doggone. She/he refuses to acknowledge her/his own weaknesses. On the previous page, she/he encourages everyone to ignore insults. Huh? Maybe she/he should learn to follow her/his own advice?
She/he then goes on to obsess over a “goat”?
Legitimate questions like the one I posed earlier…
Obama had prior warning of the latest terrorist attack. Bush had prior warning of the Sept. 11th attack and Bill Clinton received the same warning.
Why was only Bush attacked by “the other side”? Not worthy of a response.
The question was deemed insulting?
Pitiful…..just pitiful!
jimbob
December 27th, 2009
4:37 pm
Jay,
is it making sense yet that stealing land from the Jews has no affect on this type of activity?? In fact, stealing land from the Jews has never solved any kind of world problem whatsoever.
Would be far better to steal land from these Muslim fascists, and obliterate them instead of creating puppet governments for them.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
4:40 pm
@@,
w lied and said nobody saw it coming but he had unity after 9/11.
This attack will bring unity.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
4:41 pm
will not bring unity.
The gop will play politics as usual.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 27th, 2009
4:41 pm
gitmo- Did the Saints pull their starters or what?
getalife
December 27th, 2009
4:43 pm
Andy,
They scored two easy touchdowns and went to sleep.
Just horrible offense in the second half.
eagle scout
December 27th, 2009
4:49 pm
Representative Pete Hoekstra was on Fox news this morning sayiing that it was fair to blame the Obama administration for the failure to detect an attempted terror attack…………
I wonder why Chris Wallace didn’t ask him ….Does he also hold Bush and Cheney accountable for the 9/11 attacks, the anthrax attacks and the shoe bomber attack?
Pogo
December 27th, 2009
4:55 pm
Obama and his buddies at the Fed not only remove any limit to the amount of taxpayer money that can be “loaned” to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac but they also approve “performance bonuses” to the CEO’s in those organizations. Performance bonuses? For what, bankrupting us? What else can Obama do to the American taxpayer besides spitting in their faces and throwing buckets of feces at them?
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
4:58 pm
Pogo–
Don’t always agree with you, but this Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac cr*p sure lends to the lie his dressing down of the bankers…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 27th, 2009
5:01 pm
@@, Now, now, go easy on duhggone, the realization that it’s “president” is a total dud and failure is slowing coming to it, and it is not taking it very well. You could almost say that it is hysterical. What it needs now is comforting and compassion, which it will not get from me, so I am counting on you to take up the slack.
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
5:03 pm
DHS Secratary, Janet Napolitano, said that the fact this plane didn’t blow up proves the system works. So we’re supposed to be comforted by the fact that “the system” is apparently to let someone with known terror ties, that has even been turned in by his own family, onto the plane with explosives and count on other passengers stopping the guy while he’s in the process of lighting said explosives.
Sounds like we’re seriously over paying for this “system.”
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
5:06 pm
josef,
What’s even sicker to me about the Fannie/Freddie thing is that Mr. Transparency announced it on Christmas Eve night when he could be pretty well assured nearly nobody heard about it.
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 27th, 2009
5:09 pm
Pogo, Josef, RW
No politician is going to take on the bankers. They know which side their bread is buttered on.
Jenifer
December 27th, 2009
5:11 pm
“Jennifer–and I think you agree that we should refrain from passing summary judgments until more is known of that relationship”
Oh yes. Operative word here being “should”.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
RW–
Janus is about as transparent as a lead-lined x-ray shield…and timing? Boy, howdy, a symphony conductor would kill to have that sense of timing…
@@
December 27th, 2009
5:13 pm
Getalife:
You don’t get off that easy, buddy.
WASHINGTON, May 15, 2002 — The White House said tonight that President Bush had been warned by American intelligence agencies in early August that Osama bin Laden was seeking to hijack aircraft but that the warnings did not contemplate the possibility that the hijackers would turn the planes into guided missiles for a terrorist attack.–NYT
Then there was Obama’s:
On Saturday, a American official revealed the U.S. had known about Abdulmutallab’s possible ties to terrorist groups for at least two years.–CBS
All I can recall about Bill was his bulging eyes, popping veins, and finger in the face of (can’t remember who) when the question was posed. I think he said something about needing an aspirin?
(ISH)
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Compassion for Doggone!!?!! I should think not. She/he has shown little for the Iranian protesters. It’s all about her and her man, Obama.
I’m pretty sure Doggone said, at one time, she was female.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
5:14 pm
Funny how the con blogs ignored that fan/fred outrage.
Are they waiting for the horrible numbers to come out?
A tea party at Treasury.
What’s the deal?
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:16 pm
Jennifer…
“Oh yes. Operative word here being “should”.”
But why would we let such a little problem of grammar stop us, eh?
Hillbilly–
Like I said when he gave ‘em a glass of water, great symbolism, and some good words in the speech and interviews, but the proof is in the pudding…well, it’s vanilla and I ordered butterscotch…
getalife
December 27th, 2009
5:18 pm
@@,
Janet said the system worked.
She lied too.
They missed putting him on the no fly list probably because he is wealthy from a banker’s family.
AmVet
December 27th, 2009
5:20 pm
Scroll bar…(not to be confused with scroll wheel.)
http://tinyurl.com/ybzbrzk
C’mon conned, time to finally quit shucking and grinning for the (W)orst ever…
His body count was something that Arnold, Bruce Willis and Sly Stone combined would stand in awe of…
Besides all he got you dupes was record setting humiliations in the past two elections…
Hillbilly Deluxe
December 27th, 2009
5:21 pm
Like I said when he gave ‘em a glass of water, great symbolism, and some good words in the speech and interviews, but the proof is in the pudding…well, it’s vanilla and I ordered butterscotch…
As somebody once said, money talks and bulls**t walks. I’ve never paid much attention to words and speeches. It’s actions that count. Maybe that’s why most all politicians disgust me. I know I’m being cynical again but how do they expect us to be anything else?
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
5:23 pm
I’m pretty sure Doggone said, at one time, she was female.
@@,
She’s gone into a lot more graphic description of herself here than just saying she’s female.
Ponder
December 27th, 2009
5:24 pm
Why subject everyone to the same level of security check when profiling suggests to focus your efforts on the demographics involved with terrorism — race (Arab), religion (Muslim), and national origin (Middle East) !!!!!
Of couse PC, the ACLU and the libs wouldn’t allow this…..
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:28 pm
getalife..what was that about a tea party at Treasury…
Caterpillar: Who… are… you?
Alice: Why, I hardly know, sir. I’ve changed so much since this morning, you see…
Caterpillar: No, I do not C, explain yourself.
Alice: I’m afraid I can’t explain myself, you see, because I’m not myself, you know.
Caterpillar: I do not know.
Alice: I can’t put it any more clearly, sir, because it isn’t clear to me.
@@
December 27th, 2009
5:30 pm
Getalife:
Conservative sites are talking about Fannie & Freddie.
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RW:
A more graphic description of herself. I must have missed it. Would you like to fill me in, or are you gonna leave me to wonder?
getalife
December 27th, 2009
5:34 pm
Sewing a bomb in the underwear and injecting a syringe for a flash bomb.
Was it meant to explode or was this mission to get publicity for AQ with a well spoken, wealthy spokesman?
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
5:34 pm
Allow me to modify my 3:13
At the end add…
…/SARC
I had no idea anyone would be dumb enough not to know that, but I didn’t factor in amvet.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 27th, 2009
5:35 pm
“It” seems so much more proper than “she.”
Besides, Bookman won’t let me call it what I’d really like to.
Jenifer
December 27th, 2009
5:37 pm
“But why would we let such a little problem of grammar stop us, eh?”
Never has, and I doubt it ever will, sad to say.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:39 pm
Ponder–
It’s not that I’m entirely opposed to profiling, but if we’re going to do it, do it right…Arab is not a “race” Arabs range from blonde-blue eyed Iraqis to subsaharan black Sudanese. Nor are they a religion, there are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Druze, and hundreds of other sects among the Arab people. They are united by a language, Arabic.Middle Eastern is not a nationality, but a geographic region. Israelis are as Middle Eastern as Saudis and Yemeni, Persians, Turks, Kurds…There are plenty of Muslims in Bosnia, Albania, Turkey, Macedonia, Kazakhstan–to name just a few–who are as Western as any of us…
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December 27th, 2009
5:39 pm
A trannie?
What?????
getalife
December 27th, 2009
5:42 pm
josef,
Did you drop acid again?
@@,
Not many comments on those blogs.
Out of outrage?
The libs are calling for rahm’s resignation and are fighting each other over this outrage.
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
5:42 pm
@@,
I don’t know about the trannie part, but corpulent seems to have been one description.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:44 pm
getalife…
“Was it meant to explode or was this mission to get publicity for AQ with a well spoken, wealthy spokesman?”
Unmentionable made a point of this, that there’s a lot more milage from the attempt since as the process of inquiry, bringing to trial, the trial and the sentencing will keep it “live…” If he had succeeded, the Warholian 15 minutes, yesterday’s news, and back to the latest celebrity pecadillo…
AmVet
December 27th, 2009
5:47 pm
BTW, a sh*tty PC user can buy a sh*tty mouse for as little as $6…
http://www.amazon.com/Kinamax-MS-UOPT-Precision-Ergonomic-3-Button/dp/B000HJ99BU
Need a loan, “forgetful”?
When ACLU officials bullied (Mean old Lib bullies! BWA!) Duluth, Minn., into removing its Ten Commandments display, it looked like another victory in the organization’s ongoing crusade to make (it wasn’t always???) America a secular nation.
Imagine the ACLU’s chagrin, however, when the single memorial soon was replaced by four new ones at various locations — and each larger than the original.
The Project Moses group that provided those new monuments — as well as hundreds more like them on display throughout the nation — erects its engraved marble Ten Commandments displays on private property such as churches and synagogues.
Yeah, keep them there and nobody will “bully” you victims around…
@@
December 27th, 2009
5:47 pm
Someone, at least, quoted Obama.
National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer on Sunday denounced Tehran’s “unjust suppression of civilians” in a crackdown that has killed at least four people, including the nephew of an opposition leader. Hammer says governing through fear and violence is not just.
Hammer quoted President Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, saying “it is telling when governments fear the aspirations of their own people more than the power of any other nation.”
Obama’s mouthpiece? Gotta protect those pearlie whites for future photo-ops.
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Doggone is H—-U—-G—-E, like in………a wide load?
Alrighty din!
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:48 pm
getalife…
Nyanh, just a flashback!
Took me a minute on that one!
“The libs are calling for rahm’s resignation and are fighting each other over this outrage.”
They better watch out, as I said, Rahmbo swings a mean dinner knife…
AmVet
December 27th, 2009
5:50 pm
Thank gawd there were some liberal Dutch types to keep the religious nutjob from succeeding.
What next? Euroweenies taking out terrorist cells left and right?
Oh wait…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 27th, 2009
5:50 pm
BEIRUT, Lebanon — Iranian police opened fire into crowds of protesters in Tehran on Sunday, killing at least 10 people and setting off a day of chaotic street battles that seemed poised to deepen the country’s civil unrest, as demonstrators in cities across Iran flooded the streets and fiercely fought back against security forces, witnesses and opposition Web sites said. – Treason Times
And obozo has nothing to say.
Navel Fuzz
December 27th, 2009
5:55 pm
What would life be like today if only reinforced flight crew doors (you can’t use the short name here for that door unless you mis-spell it, like “corkpit” but whoever heard of a corkpit) had been really really cheap years and years ago. The bottom line is always about making more money and security costs subtract from the bottom line. So, suck it up and buy one of those cheap flight insurance policies before you get on the plane. I think you can even buy them from a vending machine in some places.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
5:56 pm
josef,
Pretty smart move to keep this thing going.
Their goal to bankrupt us is close helped by the corrupt Congress.
They know our government well.
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
5:56 pm
josef,
There’s another angle or two had the attack been successful. One is that we would have been told it was just a tragic accident. Another is that the Detroit area has a very large Muslim population and it may have been played in AQ circles as targeting Muslims rather than the other way around so they could use it to create more unrest within the US population.
@@
December 27th, 2009
5:56 pm
Tehran Times: Israel can’t play military card against Iran: think tank
Israel’s top strategic think tank has held a closed-door war game which showed that Israel will fail to push U.S. President Barack Obama into a war with Iran.
The November 1 war game at Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) showed that Israel will find itself diplomatically sidelined and militarily muzzled as the United States pursues a nuclear deal with Iran next year.
According to the scenario, Iran will keep enriching uranium, perhaps even winning the assent of the West.
I wouldn’t be taunting Israel were I Tehran.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
5:58 pm
AmVet–
Don’t mess with the Dutch…do you know the story of the bombing of Gestapo HQ in Amsterdam during the war?
AmVet
December 27th, 2009
6:00 pm
So what’s the story with Inner City Meyer?
Is he just another gator headcase ala Steve “I love myself” Spurrier?
He quits like Sarah BarraClueless and then can’t “stay” quit for even a day?
Too funny…
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
6:02 pm
Andy,
It’s not that he doesn’t SAY anything. He said this at the UN in September:
True leadership will not be measured by the ability to muzzle dissent or intimidate and harass political opponents at home. The people of the world want change. They will not long tolerate those who are on the wrong side of history.
And I pledge that America will always stand with those who stand up for their dignity and their rights. For the student who seeks to learn, the voter who demands to be heard, the innocent who longs to be free. The oppressed who yearns to be equal.
There are basic principles that are universal. There are certain truths which are self-evident. And the United States of America will never waver in our efforts to stand up for the right of people everywhere to determine their own destiny.
It’s just that once the words scroll off the top of the prompter they became meaningless.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
6:04 pm
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I’ve been maintaining all along that Janus will let the little bulldog off the leash to do the dirty work, join the bad mouthing choir. You can be sure, though, Bibi got something in return…he’s no dummy regardless of what one may think of his politics…
RW–
Funny you should mention that, Unmentionable brought up the large Arab population around Detroit…
RW-(the original)
December 27th, 2009
6:06 pm
What’s Mary holding out for this time?
Bruised by the health care debate and worried about what 2010 will bring, moderate Senate Democrats are urging the White House to give up now on any effort to pass a cap-and-trade bill next year.
“I am communicating that in every way I know how,” says Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), one of at least half a dozen Democrats who’ve told the White House or their own leaders that it’s time to jettison the centerpiece of their party’s plan to curb global warming.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30984.html