Hero of Flight 253 recounts terror attempt
Here’s a CNN interview with Jasper Schuringa, one of the passengers on board Northwest Airlines Flight 253 into Detroit. Accounts emerging so far credit the young Dutchman with initiating the effort by passengers and crew to thwart the terrorist attack.
“We just jumped and tried to save the plane,” he says. “And we did luckily save the plane.”
Schuringa’s quick action apparently helped save many lives, and he deserves a lot of praise. On the other hand, when somebody is thrust from anonymity into the heat of the media spotlight, you always have to worry about how they’ll handle it. Based on this interview, Schuringa doesn’t seem all that enthralled with the spotlight. Somehow, that makes his story all the more appealing.
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DAVID
December 27th, 2009
11:54 am
J……….You GUY in the WHITE HOUSE won’t even admit we are in a WAR on TERRORists.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
11:56 am
Irishmafia
“Thank G-d he wasn’t a liberal or he would have wet his panties and broke down crying like a little girl”
Put ‘em up, Paddy, ready when you are. En garde!
Frequent Flyboy
December 27th, 2009
11:56 am
That’s FEMA not DHS and it was a mistake to mix those responsibilities. Let DHS worry about the bad guys. Let FEMA worry about bad weather.
Bosch
December 27th, 2009
11:57 am
David,
Nah, he just doesn’t use hyperbole as a tool to fight them. I guess you missed the news that he is sending additional troops to Afghanistan.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:00 pm
“Ya wanna go up and read your posts from 10:07 on?”
Insults are not deserving of serious answers. You reap what you sow.
Irishmafia
December 27th, 2009
12:03 pm
At the briefing about the incident Obama queried his staff “how do we blame this on George Bush?
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
12:03 pm
Frequent Flyboy
If it’s FEMA and not DHS, why did Mikey find it necessary to take responsibility at a Senate hearing on Feb. 15, 2006 for his “department’s inadequate response to Hurricane Katrina, which “unnecessarily prolonged” the suffering of people along the Gulf Coast.”
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
12:03 pm
Frequent Flyboy
FEMA is part of DHS
http://www.dhs.gov/index.shtm
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:05 pm
“how do we blame this on George Bush?”
Is that an eyewitness statement?
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
12:06 pm
Ok, who turned off the troll defense network? Seems like somebody turned on the “Hot Doughnuts” sign.
TnGelding
December 27th, 2009
12:09 pm
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 27th, 2009
9:57 am
In case you haven’t noticed, the health care reform expands the current private insurance maze. The fear is for a future government takeover.
Mrs. Godzilla
December 27th, 2009
12:10 pm
SoCo
Sorry to be a pest. But isn’t biometric data “doable”?
It could be made in the USA?
Of course, as one technology is rolled out it somebody is looking for a way around it.
Ultimately, it’s about all of us being “Jasper”.
Bosch
December 27th, 2009
12:12 pm
Doggone,
To answer your question from earlier, I think some are saying that Obama isn’t taking this seriously because they didn’t change the alert color. And as stated above, he won’t say we are in a WAR on terrorist. I’ve always thought both were kind of stupid things to say or do. I think to categorize or put “levels” on the terror threat is only to appease the populace and does nothing in actuality.
@@
December 27th, 2009
12:13 pm
Doggone:
I posted the words of Iranian protesters. You came back with a smart ass response. Am I to assume you found their words insulting, and not deserving of a serious answer? They reap what they sow?
No offense, but your BBs are kinda simple-minded.
Frequent Flyboy
December 27th, 2009
12:14 pm
If you will read the post, I said it was a mistake that FEMA was lumped under DHS. It needs to separated – We need a more focused DHS.
Bosch
December 27th, 2009
12:14 pm
Doggone,
In other words, we should always treat terrorism at the “red level” at all times, which I think Obama and the ones who work in the field of security do.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:16 pm
“I think some are saying that Obama isn’t taking this seriously because they didn’t change the alert color”
That could be part of it, but I’ve seen that statement posted long before this most recent incident. I just wondered if there was an actual basis for it.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
12:16 pm
Mrs. G
Did you check out the link I posted for you? There’s already some biometrics in play. It may indeed be “doable” for everyone, but then you have to consider where and how to store that information and who get’s access to it.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:19 pm
“Iposted the words of Iranian protesters. You came back with a smart ass response”
You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I made NO COMMENT AT ALL about the protestors words. I QUOTED what I was responding to: “we….the U.S. are still offering to negotiate.”
My comment applied to that, and to that ONLY. Which is WHY I quoted it…so good readers would know exactly what my comment applied to. If I had had anything to say about the protestors quote I would have re-quoted it, so there would be no confusion.
Obviously I misunderestimated the confusion levels of some readers here.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
12:20 pm
Flyboy
If there’s a chemical or biological attack, who’s going to handle that if you peg FEMA as weather? FEMA’s task goes far and beyond weather-related incidents. If you don’t place FEMA with DHS, then you end up replicating their jobs and duties. The last thing we need is replication in the government.
Bosch
December 27th, 2009
12:20 pm
Doggone,
“I just wondered if there was an actual basis for it.”
Really? I think we all know what their basis is: ODS.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
12:24 pm
Mrs. G
Also, you’d never be a pest. I don’t mind answering questions at all.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:27 pm
“Really? I think we all know what their basis is: ODS.”
Sure, that could be it…I’d just like to know if there was ANY sort of quote that could be any sort of foundation for it, even if only as a basis for “cherry picking” to make it say what it didn’t.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
12:30 pm
I trust everyone had a wonderful Christmas!
My best present? A year in pictures book from my son and his wife and one-year old – the son who underwent a year and a half of pain before he had his large intestine removed and the son born weeks early who weighed 4 lbs 7 oz.
They’re here, I’m grateful, now they’re making memory books. Life is good.
The topic: the days of waiting for others to act are over. Thank heavens.
Two items of irony: this guy’s a hero; meanwhile, three SEALS who captured the guy who masterminded killing contractors in Fallujah, burning their bodies and hanging them’ fame are undergoing courts-martial in a process that began with them allegedly hitting the guy.
Also, this is a terrorist attack. A terror attack. AQ links and allegations abound.
Meanwhile, Major Nidal is an emotionally disturbed criminal and Ft Hood was in no way a terror attack.
Politics, politics.
We’ll end the year with it and we’ll begin the year with it.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
12:33 pm
In relation to that fiasco that was (and still IS) Katrina, it was a failure of the various agencies to coordinate and to be prepared for what everybody knew was coming sooner or later. The left hand didn’t know what the right hand was doing, and now, out of sight and out of mind, are they any better prepared? How can anyone say that this was not a matter of Homeland Security–oh, that’s right, I forgot, this is that third world colonial backwater we’re talking about…
@@
December 27th, 2009
12:35 pm
Doggone:
The Iranian protesters are asking why we, THE U.S. continue to seek negotiations with a regime THEY are trying to topple. Obama has acknowledged Ahmadinejad as the democratically elected leader of Iran. The Iranian people see it differently. They continue their struggle, but yet….you guys have moved on. Neda has not been forgotten by them. She was obviously a passing fancy for you guys.
Arasradio, a self-identified Iranian protester in Tehran, has left a couple comments on the TNOYF You-Tube page concerning the situation in Iran:
We are going to bring Ahmadinejad down and once again our nations can unite in their battle against fundamentalists. We are about to free Iran. Pray for us…
Everyone keep the people of Iran in their prayers. Pray the regime in Iran will not do what I fear it may be about to do.
You stick with your health care bill, Doggone. I’ll focus on those who are truly oppressed and dying for what THEY believe in.
Kamchak
December 27th, 2009
12:36 pm
Paul
I saw this the other day and remembered an earlier conversation
It took seven months but President Obama has finally found someone to take the cybersecurity czar job no one wanted.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:36 pm
“are undergoing courts-martial in a process that began with them allegedly hitting the guy.”
They were charged with dereliction of duty, making false statements, assault of a prisoner, and impeding an investigation. Charges were brought by Army Maj. Gen. Charles Cleveland, SOCCent commander.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
12:37 pm
Hey, Paul–missed you. Glad to know you’re having a good Christmas with the family…and, yep, you’re right, going out the way we came in… La plus ça change, la plus la même chose…
Paul
December 27th, 2009
12:40 pm
Hi Kamchak!
I saw that and posted it. Thought of you. I’m glad he has someone in the post – it’s the new horizon of warfare.
Hi Doggone/GA!
As I said the process began with an allegation they hit the guy. IF they hit the guy, were asked about it and said “Darn Right I Hit Him” they would have undergone the same treatment: offer of an Article 15 and court-martial if they refused. The charges of ‘mistreatment’ can still be added on.
Meanwhile, the civilian on the airliner is hailed a hero, while hitting the prisoner is cheered.
’tis a topsy-turvy world in which we live.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
12:41 pm
@@
In re: Iran–there’s a lot in common here with the Romanian revolt against Nicolae Ceauşescu. Look for heads to roll…
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:42 pm
“You stick with your health care bill, Doggone”
I have no healthcare bill. They passed what they passed. It still remains to be seen what comes out of reconciliation…but in any case it won’t be MY choice, which is single-payer.
“The Iranian protesters are asking why we, THE U.S. continue to seek negotiations with a regime THEY are trying to topple”
Hence my reference to Cuba. NOT negotiating & non-contact led to NOTHING for the people of Cuba. They are STILL oppressed, and by the same regime that has been in power for 50 years.
I would tell those protestors that keeping the lines of communication open is a better tactic than closing them. Otherwise they just might end up like Cuba has. Closed AND still oppressed, but with a harder row to how getting the information out about their oppressions.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
12:42 pm
Hey there, josef nix
My dad got a great and hearty laugh when I told him the “Happy Birthday Jesus from your cuzzin Josef” story! Thanks!
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:44 pm
“As I said the process began with an allegation they hit the guy.”
Paul – the odd thing is, the reports I’ve seen vary as to even WHERE they hit him! One report says he got a “bloody lip” and another says a “punch in the gut”
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:46 pm
“there’s a lot in common here with the Romanian revolt against Nicolae Ceauşescu”
Josef – funny you should mention this one. I heard a report on that just the other day. The report was to the effect that on the anniversary of the protests, the people don’t do much celebrating…because even 20 years on they still aren’t sure if it really WAS the protests that toppled him, or if it was in actuality a coup d’etat.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
12:47 pm
Doggone/GA
I don’t wish to become embroiled in a health care topic this morning, but I did see this David Broder column “A health-care victory that stinks” and thought it pretty well described what should have been, vs what is.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/23/AR2009122302440.html
It also addresses the mantra that Republicans had no serious offers. Many didn’t. But he hits the White House and Congressional leadership for never seriously engaging, too.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
12:47 pm
K’chak–
I’ve challenged Paddy to a duel, he hasn’t responded, but time for your post!
@@
December 27th, 2009
12:50 pm
“I often ask myself, if Ceausescu were alive today, would he have a chance if he ran for the presidency?” says Stejarel Olaru, head of the Committee to Investigate Crimes of the Communist Era, which was established by President Basescu.
“And I believe he would. People believe Ceausescu did many good things… that he gave the people houses, jobs, and good salaries. His mistake, they think, was that he didn’t put food in the shops.”
Hmmmmm…
sound familiar?
Paul
December 27th, 2009
12:50 pm
Doggone/GA
I’d bet it was both. My thought is there should be a “subdue with reasonable force” allowance. Just as with the police. But there isn’t. In the aftermath of ‘that’s torture!’ it’s all black or white, yes or no, no gray area. I find it pretty sad.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
12:51 pm
Doggone–
I saw that, too, which is what brought this to mind…we stayed out that one and the Romanians dealt, and are still dealing, with it as an internal matter…there’s a lesson there…
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:52 pm
Paul – interesting commentary, but this: “But even those Republicans who were initially inclined to do that — and there were at least a handful of them — were turned away by the White House and the Senate Democratic leaders, who never lifted their sights much beyond the Democratic ranks” hardly constitutes any kind of proof that the Republicans had anything worth considering.
BUT, having said that, I – to some extent – blame the media too. IF there really were serious proposals from the Republican side, then they certainly weren’t reported extensively. Though, I take leave to doubt there were any proposals that would have led to the rock-bottom result that *I* wanted to see: healthcare extended to all citizens.
That question has been asked HERE and we have yet to see any sort of proposal from “that side” that accomplishes that goal. Generally, all we get back is some kind of rant about reducing the cost of healthcare first, but nothing about how to get healthcare to those not currently covered.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:55 pm
“My thought is there should be a “subdue with reasonable force” allowance. Just as with the police. But there isn’t. ”
But even if there was, the question would still be: was there a VALID reason for using force? That, I think, is what it comes down to. WERE they using force to control him, or were they taking it upon themselves to punish him for his crimes? I have not actually seen that aspect of it addressed in any of the reports that have come to my notice.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
12:55 pm
Paul
I don’t know if the SEALS have a “Use of Force” policy, but most if not all law enforcement organizations have one. That is what sometimes get’s you a short administrative leave or desk duty versus losing your job and possibly facing charges.
Hard Right Hook
December 27th, 2009
12:56 pm
AmVet
December 27th, 2009
9:38 am
As I said earlier, the worst of these Old White Guys from Dixie are just upset that the attempt wasn’t successful. It would have made their Holiday Season had they gotten the opportunity to “blame” the Uppity Mongrel for a downed airliner. And a few hundred dead innocent people is no big deal to them…
The conned – dumb and yellow. Not a good combo…
You have the temerity to think “Old White Guys from Dixie” would derive joy in seeing this airliner explode? Exactly where the he-l are you from?
The “uppity mongrel?”
You obscenely pathetic cretin. How stultifying innane. This is first rate Keith Olberman trash of the highest order. You shoul be boiled in oil.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
12:58 pm
“we stayed out that one and the Romanians dealt, and are still dealing, with it as an internal matter…there’s a lesson there…”
Yes, there is a lesson…thought it’s not always easy to see what that lesson is!
Millicent
December 27th, 2009
12:58 pm
Bookman must be losing his nose for news. He completely overlooked the story about the grandma in Row F who gave the subdued terrorist the stink eye. “He glanced over at me, and I just let him have it”. After being kicked, punched and strangled by others, it’s ironic that the octogenarian’s stern look is being credited with saving the plane and forcing the suspect to disclose the exact whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden himself, by golly.
What do you think? The medal of freedom? Nobel peace prize? Medal of honor? Lets blow up every incident totally out of proportion so we can feel good about ourselves.
The questions that should have been addressed on this blog are: How many people on that 500K terrorist data base are flying right now? What r the consequences for being on that list? How long has the list included 500K people? Is that list routinely available to every airport security guard?
What about sewing explosives into underwear? Was that technique leaked to the public when the security proceedure manual got facebooked? Remember that? That wasn’t that long ago, yet it’s completely overlooked by the pundits on this blog. I’m so impressed by the penetrating and insightful discussion here today by disciplined minds! The pointed logic dispells any notion that the commenters are a waste of gray matter at all.
The Shoe Bomber. The underwear bomber. Shoes. Underwear. Anyone see a pattern?
The round table on “This Week” talked about how easy it is for Americans to secret contraband on board aircraft. That the whole process is and has been a total joke for years. That homeland securtiy is a jobs program and not a security program. Yet even those professional pundits tried to wrap up the whole incident into a nice bow and smiled a happy new year to one and all.
What it means is that luck is the only safeguard we’ve employed since 911. There were 278 people on that plane in Detroit. Too many to relax about now. Obama should fire everyone involved. Get some fresh eyes on that data base.
The tightened security is going to torture travelers over the New Years travel weekend. If it was slow because of winter storms at christmas, it will be slower for terrorism alerts.
What is the color of the new orange alert now? Did it go to defcom one? Doesn’t anyone think through a news story? Over at Bob Barr’s blog, he covered a story about the ROVER. He claimed that Chinese hacks are intercepting and manipulating the video data of intel from our drones. What does manipulating mean? Are they digitally drawing beards on every person the drone looks at and making them all look like Osama Bin Laden? THERE HE IS!!! No, that’s Petreaus. Gee, for a moment there, I thought he really did betray us!
In short the whole approach to news on this newspaper is woefully inadequate, and is the reason that Americans cant or wont read newspapers. they can get all the nonsense they want on youtube, facebook, and myspace.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
12:58 pm
Doggone/GA
I don’t think you’d ever find Republicans advocating single-payer. It’s be political suicide for them. Then again, I think one could say the same’s true of many moderate Democrats – it’d be political suicide for them, too! Goodness, even Pres Obama said in a speech it’s not realistic, given our system that’s evolved from employer-based benefits (like there’s much left of any of that for many folks – kinda reminds me of people wishing for a return to small-town Americana – homes may have porches, but that’s about as far as it goes!).
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:03 pm
“I don’t think you’d ever find Republicans advocating single-payer. It’s be political suicide for them. Then again, I think one could say the same’s true of many moderate Democrats – it’d be political suicide for them, too! ”
I agree with all of that, but I have yet to see ANY proposal from the Republican side that even approaches any sort of system that makes affordable healthcare available to all. THAT is MY bottom-line requirement. My preference is for single-payer, but I’ve said before and I still say: I don’t care what is on the bill that is signed, as long as it is oriented towards that goal. If there are problems with it after it’s implemented, it can always be tweaked, but get that goal in sight first.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
1:05 pm
Doggone/GA 12:55
Good point. But in a case like that, it’d be ‘he said, he said.”
I do think we should cut highly-trained, disciplined guys like those in Special Ops the benefit of the doubt. They’re a far cry from those ‘military in uniform only’ bozos at Abu Ghraib (please, please… anyone with the “CIA was behind the scenes pulling the strings…” save it – ).
Hey there, Southern Comfort
Celebrate with your moniker this season?
Everything I’ve read says there isn’t. Pretty much ‘on/off’ in the decision tree. Just the fact we have such a policy for civilians, or cheer civilians who take the law into their own hands and beat up a suspect, while we expect Special Ops guys to act with kid gloves, leaves me amazed.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
1:07 pm
Millicent
Take a deep breath. Hopefully you got your grievances in even though Festivus was on the 23rd. I have a little knowledge in the area of your inquiry. I can’t answer all the questions, but one in particular I can answer.
“Is that list routinely available to every airport security guard?”
One word answer, NO!! There’s the issue of security clearance and keeping information guarded closely. There’s far too many security guards to pass that information to and expect it to remain a closely guarded secret. The size of the list would create a problem of keeping it secret too.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
1:08 pm
Doggone/GA
A couple of semiserious wisecracks:
“I agree with all of that, but I have yet to see ANY proposal from the Republican side that even approaches any sort of system that makes affordable healthcare available to all.”
From what I’ve heard, the same’s true of the Democrat’s bills!
Also: single payer?
The way Democrats tax people to pay for stuff, it’s entirely likely the benefits extended to millions would be paid for by a single payer!
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:11 pm
“Good point. But in a case like that, it’d be ‘he said, he said.””
Well, it’s going to be that in any case…but IF the charges of making false statements and impeding an investigation are found to be true, it is THOSE charges that are going to put them in serious trouble.
If they got carried away, but did no serious, lasting damage…and had just “manned up” to that, they probably would have found themselves behind a desk for a while, with a reprimand in their records. But lieing about it? THAT’s going to be deep doo doo, if it’s true that they did lie.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
1:12 pm
Paul
Didn’t have the namesake, but did enjoy an early morning coffee with Bailey’s.
The issue with the SEALS I believe, is using those guys in a manner befitting law enforcement. I know they’re the go-to group to hunt down and capture the bad guys. Once they’ve captured them, turn them over to JAG or some other group that’s used to detaining people in law enforcement type custody. If they’re being held as prisoners-of-war, then the SEALS are A-OK for that.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:15 pm
“Just the fact we have such a policy for civilians, or cheer civilians who take the law into their own hands and beat up a suspect, while we expect Special Ops guys to act with kid gloves, leaves me amazed.”
for me, it’s the other way around. Navy Seals are a highly trained, elite group of forces. I find it much easier to believe that citizens would be carried away by their emotions that such an elite group. These guys are trained to be – in essence – heroes. IF it’s true that they beat that guy up with no valid reason, then that is hardly the behavior of a heroe…is it? The civilians on that plane DID have a valid reason, after all.
Scout
December 27th, 2009
1:17 pm
I haven’t the time to read all of the above but two questions:
1) Isn’t going on a hightened security alert “after” an attempted terrorist attack somewhat like the Falcons calling a pass defense formation “after” a pass play?
2) And the guys religion is ……………. ?
Paul
December 27th, 2009
1:18 pm
Doggone/GA
That always seems to be the case in these situations, doesn’t it? Whether it’s Pres Clinton or Scooter Libby (my eternal question: what grown man calls himself ‘Scooter’?!!?) or these guys: the penalties for making false official statements is usually worse than the penalty for what those false statements were about.
Tell the truth, let the consequence follow.
Southern Comfort
We’ve had a few discussions here about how those lines get blurred. I believe here the issue was, while SEALS were doing the capture and extraction the guy said “they hit me!.” Well, yeah, if he’s not moving or causing trouble, no kidding!
“Keep quiet.”
“Dirty American Jew.”
WHACK!
I’ve no trouble with that -
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:22 pm
“Tell the truth, let the consequence follow”
Exactly! Though in Clinton’s case I had, at the time, more problems with how he was found out than I did with what he actually did. I think he deserved to be found out, and I’m sure he would have been, but I don’t think THAT investigation should have been allowed to go anywhere near THAT offense.
Southern Comfort
December 27th, 2009
1:23 pm
Paul
I think I’d get into more trouble for not reporting any incident than I would for the incident itself. I’m hoping that the investigation into the SEALS case brings the complete truth to light. If what those guys did was as you think, then they’d have to own up to why they didn’t report it. On the other hand, if they were “tuning him up”, then they need to face the music for that. But if they are innocent, then leave them to what they do best.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:24 pm
“I’ve no trouble with that -”
Well…I DO. If highly trained men are in so little control of their reactions as to hit out at what amounts to a “sticks and stones” insult, should they even BE in that elite force?
Paul
December 27th, 2009
1:32 pm
Doggone/GA 1:22
That was the beginning of my disdain for the entire special prosecutor system.
SoCo
My understanding is, when he was turned over to the Iraqis he made the allegation. Then it got political.
You are correct – it’s not clear. This is a pretty good column:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34710
Paul
December 27th, 2009
1:34 pm
Doggone/GA
Let me rephrase: they’ve captured him, are undergoing the extraction and tell him to be quiet.
But I’ll stick my neck out and say anytime he’s in their charge while they’re bringing him back and he doesn’t immediately do what he’s told, it’s not time for a response of “don’t make me tell you again!!!”
Centrist
December 27th, 2009
1:34 pm
Video and Poll:Dear Congress, How About A Presidential Medal Of Freedom For Jasper Schuringa Who Heroically Stopped An Attack On Americans?
Posted By Centrist on December 27, 2009
Reading where ‘Schuringa, of Amsterdam, told CNN that he didn’t think about his own safety when he jumped Abdulmutallab. He and other passengers said that several people on board, including members of the flight crew, then joined him in taking the man to first class to strip off his clothes and search for any more explosives”
See video and read full post:
http://palinyoubetcha2012.com/wordpress/wp-admin/index.php?page=stats
Centrist
December 27th, 2009
1:36 pm
Video and Poll:Dear Congress, How About A Presidential Medal Of Freedom For Jasper Schuringa Who Heroically Stopped An Attack On Americans?
Posted By Centrist on December 27, 2009
Reading where ‘Schuringa, of Amsterdam, told CNN that he didn’t think about his own safety when he jumped Abdulmutallab. He and other passengers said that several people on board, including members of the flight crew, then joined him in taking the man to first class to strip off his clothes and search for any more explosives”
http://palinyoubetcha2012.com/wordpress/?p=7443
getalife
December 27th, 2009
1:36 pm
A blogger was on the plane:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roey-rosenblith/over-detroit-skies_b_404255.html
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:44 pm
“Let me rephrase: they’ve captured him, are undergoing the extraction and tell him to be quiet.”
Yes, if he was putting their lives in danger, they would do what had to be done. But if that was the case, why the cover-up? I can’t find any reports that have any sort of real facts about the case, so the Navy is playing this one VERY close to their chest.
And I cant find any reports on a quick search of the net that DON’T play UP the “hero” aspect of the story, and that by implication, down-play the actual charges. Most of the stories I can find dwell more on the suspect’s crimes than they do on the story they are reporting.
Balance Our Budget
December 27th, 2009
1:44 pm
You guys need to read Lone Survivor written by Navy Seal Marcus Luttrell.Maybe it would help you understand how it is to fight a brutal enemy and try to keep the rules imposed on you at the same time.By the way Marcus was the only survivor of his team.
tscali
December 27th, 2009
1:45 pm
they should have shot the soab to avoid dogsh*t’s pile.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
1:47 pm
“Dirty American Jew.”
It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:48 pm
“By the way Marcus was the only survivor of his team.”
You know what? To be brutal about it: if you aren’t prepared for a difficult job, then don’t volunteer to be a member of an elite fighting force. Because you AREN’T going to be sent in on the easy missions.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:51 pm
“It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’”
You object to being called “dirty”? Because the other two words are simply the truth.
Ilene
December 27th, 2009
1:52 pm
At least Obama didn’t sit around reading My Pet Goat to a bunch of kids for 7 minutes before doing anything.
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
1:54 pm
Doggone–
You object to being called “dirty”? Because the other two words are simply the truth.
That’s about the size of it…you know how personal I take adjectives!
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
1:57 pm
Ilene–
Girl, please! I’m no fan of the Village Idiot Carpetbagger Prince, but do you suggest he should’ve gone into a dither right there in front of the little ones?
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
1:59 pm
“That’s about the size of it…you know how personal I take adjectives!”
And that’s why I, personally, object to the demonization of “those words” – like “the n word” I say, let people use them…then you will KNOW what kind of person you are dealing with. And learn not to react to them, because if you DO, then you are ceding power over yourself to someone else. The BEST reaction is to not give them that power.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:02 pm
“I’m no fan of the Village Idiot Carpetbagger Prince, but do you suggest he should’ve gone into a dither right there in front of the little ones?”
I wouldn’t…but he could have simply said he was very sorry, but his duties as President called him away and he was sure the teacher would be glad to finish reading the story. He could have left, with dignity, and without leaving panic behind him…if he was capable of that, something I take leave to doubt.
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:08 pm
To Doggone/GA:
“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say or do can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed to you. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?”
Based on some of your responses today I suggest you heed the above.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
2:09 pm
Yeah, w panicked and froze.
I think he lost it after he whispered in his ear.
There was a shoot down order and other orders to be made but w sat there.
He went insane.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:10 pm
“Based on some of your responses today I suggest you heed the above.”
Huh? Got a specific example you’d care to discuss?
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:11 pm
P.S.
Enemy terrorist combatant
Engaged in armed conflict
Captured out of uniform
“Interrogated” for any relevant information
Shot at dawn by military firing squad
End of problem for that combatant
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:12 pm
Doggone/GA:
No.
Don’t have the time.
And you are already not heading your rights.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
2:12 pm
josef
I didn’t think about that term as anything other than how some in the ME will use it as the vilest term they can utter – I heard it from my folks after a trip to Egypt. They were in a market, a guy was trying to sell mom some stuff. After repeated ‘no, thank you’s” she gave a forceful “NO!” and they guy looked at another merchant and said “Dirty American Jew.”
That’s the mindset -
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:13 pm
“He went insane.”
and I think it was worse than that…I think he just went blank. That he had NOTHING. He had led a cossetted, protected life and I think he simply had NO THING to call up to give him any idea of how to react.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:14 pm
“Don’t have the time”
Translation: I got nothin’
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:14 pm
Doggone–
He probably could have, true, but reckon maybe he took the time he finished reading to collect his own thoughts…? I have no idea what I would have done in the same position, but I can certainly see myself taking the same course of REaction…
On the second point, given the setting, I don’t think I’d have a lot of doubt about somebody using “those words.” With all due respect, I’ve seen you get a little bent out of shape around these parts over “words m’lord.” We all have our limits and as I said, “It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’”
getalife
December 27th, 2009
2:18 pm
And after Katrina, w hit the Jack Daniels.
He hit rock bottom again at China’s Olympics where he could not stand up.
Now, he is still drinking and giving motivational speeches.
The media are leaving him alone.
AmVet
December 27th, 2009
2:19 pm
HRH, if you box like you blog, you must have stopped a lot of great punches.
With your face…
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:20 pm
PAUL–
With all due respect, again, I said, “It would’ve been right about there I’d start taking it personal…jus’ sayin’” If he’d have said “dirty American f*ggot” it would have been about there I would have started taking it personal…
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:20 pm
“He probably could have, true, but reckon maybe he took the time he finished reading to collect his own thoughts…?”
Well, I can only go by my own experience: if I’m reading and I need to “collect” my thoughts, I stop reading. I once got asked a question about a TV character that was on in my childhood and had to literally stop even MOVING to bring the memory back up.
Based on that, I would have found it more believable if he had stopped reading and just sat there. That would have been an understandable reaction to ME. Simply continuing to read, that I can’t comprehend.
“With all due respect, I’ve seen you get a little bent out of shape around these parts over “words m’lord.” ”
Yep, but generally it’s more in the line of people using words that don’t mean what they think they mean. Like the current bugaboo: Socialist. When it comes to sheer, downright insults…they aren’t usually as much of a problem for me, because you can’t really discuss things with someone when all they’ve got is insults. You can (I and do sometimes) trade “shots” with them…but that’s not a discussion, that’s just passing the time.
Paul
December 27th, 2009
2:22 pm
Anyone seen Avatar? Recommendations?
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:22 pm
getalife…
Have to admit the Jack Daniels made life with a house full of refugees (oh, I forgot, “evacuees”) a bit easier on all of us!
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:24 pm
“Anyone seen Avatar? Recommendations?”
Not from me, directly…but my sister has seen both versions, and loved them both. And plans to go see it again.
getalife
December 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
josef,
Yeah but he is president falling off the wagon.
The rest is history and here we are.
He gave us Obama and Obama wants to be like w.
Yeah, we are screwed.
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
BTW…was anyone else touched by Scout’s concern for me, as expressed above in the Miranda warning? I just thought that was SO considerate of him. It almost made me cry.
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
For your future edification:
When someone is trying to light a bomb or incindiary fuse on an aircraft, split seconds count between living and a horrible death.
1) A three round wrestling match with passengers and/or crew is not the best course of action. Better, is to stop all muscle movement by the perpetrator as soon as possible. This is best done by the “very, very forceful” insertion of a hard object into the cranial vault through the eyeball socket of the perpetrator (fingers, pens, pencils, handle end of plastic spoons or forks, bullets (note: Air Marshal, pilot/co-pilot or approved law enforcement officer required for the latter).
2) Should that be impracticable, it is very possible (with the amount of human adrenaline involved) to close one’s fingers and thumb entirely around a perpetrator’s throat/larnyx area and completely crush it. With a very strong pull it can also be disengaged from the passage to the lungs.
Just in case …………………
josef nix
December 27th, 2009
2:27 pm
Doggone–
On Bush, that’s why I said maybe…I said I could see myself doing it, more likely, though, I’d be like you!
And, again, on the words…they do hit harder when you do fit the target…it’s self-defense and it’s a normal human REaction…
Paul
December 27th, 2009
2:28 pm
Doggone/GA
Thanks. Think I’ll wait until the kiddies return to school to see it.
getalife
Careful, buddy… you keep up that line of thought, I see a fifth of Jack in your afternoon!
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:29 pm
To Doggone/GA:
You just like most who get read their rights. They like to try to talk their way out of it anyway ……………….
) You’re in good company.
AJC Basher
December 27th, 2009
2:30 pm
Can anyone explain why the AJC website front page all but ignores the only story that anyone is talking about today?
DoggoneGA
December 27th, 2009
2:31 pm
“it’s self-defense and it’s a normal human REaction…”
It actually isn’t. It’s a learned response, and what you can learn you can unlearn. Or relearn. The first time someone seriously tried to insult me I burst their bubble, inadvertently, because the word they used I had never heard before…so I had NO learned response to it. It took me YEARS to internalize that reaction and come to the realization that NO reaction is by far the best (and funniest) reaction.
Scout
December 27th, 2009
2:31 pm
To AJC Basher:
That’s just one reason why I cancelled them after 22 years.