Attempted Xmas-day terrorist attack fails; suspect held

Details are still sketchy, but it does appear to have been a serious, if botched, terrorism attempt.

From the Washington Post:

A Nigerian man, claiming to be linked to al-Qaeda, allegedly tried to set off an incendiary device aboard a transatlantic airplane Friday as it descended toward Detroit’s airport in what the White House called an attempted act of terrorism.

The man was quickly subdued after another passenger leapt on top of him, others on the plane said, and Northwest Airlines Flight 253 from Amsterdam landed safely around 1 p.m. Friday. The suspect was being treated at a hospital for burns he suffered while igniting the device, the Transportation Security Administration said….

Officials said they are not prepared to raise the terrorism alert level, currently at orange — or the second-highest of five levels — for domestic and international air travel. However, the Homeland Security Department said late Friday that passengers “may notice additional screening measures, put into place to ensure the safety of the traveling public on domestic and international flights.”

The suspect is Abdul Farouk Abdulmutallab, a federal official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. ABC News and NBC News reported that Abdulmutallab, 23, attends University College London, where he studies engineering.

Although not on the TSA’s “no-fly” list, Abdulmutallab’s name appears to be included in the government’s records of terrorism suspects, according to a preliminary review, authorities said.

Abdulmutallab has told federal investigators that he had ties to al-Qaeda and traveled to Yemen to collect the incendiary device and instructions on how to use it, according to a federal counterterrorism official briefed on the case. Authorities have yet to verify the claim, and they expect to conduct several more interviews before they determine whether he is credible, the official said.

Federal authorities have been told that Abdulmutallab allegedly had taped some material to his leg, then used a syringe to mix chemicals with the powder while on the airplane, one official said.

But doing so “caused him to catch on fire,” Richelle Keepman, who sat a few rows in front of Abdulmutallab, told WDIV-TV.

Meanwhile, The New York Times recounts the history of such attempts to bypass airline security procedures:

Friday’s incident brought to mind Richard C. Reid, the so-called shoe bomber, who attempted to blow up an American Airlines flight between Paris and Miami in December 2001 by igniting explosives in his shoes. Mr. Reid was subdued by a flight attendant and passengers and the plane landed safely in Boston. Mr. Reid later pleaded guilty to three terrorism-related counts and was sentenced to life in prison. Since then, airline passengers have had to remove their shoes before passing through security checkpoints in American airports.

In August 2006, British authorities uncovered a plot to blow up planes bound for the United States using explosives that would be mixed with liquids on board. Eight men were arrested, and three were convicted in the case this fall. British authorities estimated that as many as 2,000 airplane passengers might have been killed had the plotters been successful. The plot led security officials to limit the amount of liquids and gels that passengers can bring on board in their carry-on baggage.

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Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
8:44 am

Make that a standing ovation for the passenger who jumped the ba$tard.

Remember we are all soldiers in this battle and could be called at anytime to act.

There’s a reason we’re called the home of the brave.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
8:45 am

Just in case anybody is wondering, a raghead on the suspected terrorist list got on the plane with his explosive device and, luckily for hundreds of people, it failed to detonate.

If this is acceptable to you and you find no fault with the current administration, then by all means, dig way back in history and dissemble, propagandize or whatever.

It’s only human lives you play with for political reasons.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
8:48 am

Andy says:

“It’s only human lives you play with for political reasons”

You very often throw out the first pitch.

Don’t pretend you’re not a playa’.

Bob

December 26th, 2009
8:50 am

With Bush gone and GITMO closing, why do they want to attack us now, could it be they hate more than just George Bush ?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 26th, 2009
8:54 am

Well, they just won’t stop attacking us. The Terrists. The reason is because this Obama is soft.

We need to get back to the way Conservatives handle Terrists. Take more of our freedoms away. Run everybody thru machines and strip people buck-nekkid when they fly if you have to. Take away our toothpaste and mouthwash and everything. Listen in on all our phone calls. Read our e-mails. Check our bank accounts. Put cameras up everywhere to check on us. That’s the way you handle Terrists. If we can’t have any freedom they can’t either.

Anyhow, I hope everybody had a Merry Christmas. Me, I got about 48 empty beer bottles to get rid of. It was a great one. At least what I remember of it.

Have a good weekend everybody and get ready for the New Year when we throw all the libruls out of office.

Road Scholar

December 26th, 2009
8:54 am

Andy, I didn’t know President Obama was working at the gate in Amsterdam! And to just think, you were condemning him for going to Hawaii! Man, he’s everywhere!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
8:56 am

“Though the American left and right don’t agree on much, they are both now coalescing around the suspicion that Barack Obama’s brilliant presidential campaign was as hollow as Tiger’s public image — a marketing scam designed to camouflage either his covert anti-American radicalism (as the right sees it), or spineless timidity (as the left sees it).”-Frank Rich, NY Times

Well, some of us came late to the show.

And some of us told ya so.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
8:58 am

Andy, I didn’t know President Obama was working at the gate in Amsterdam! And to just think, you were condemning him for going to Hawaii! Man, he’s everywhere!

Wonderful, and I don’t think Bush was driving any buses during hurricane Katrina.

Or flying any airplanes on 9/11.

I could go on, believe me, but I think I’ve left enough for you to think about, if that’s possible.

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
8:58 am

Whiner

I left you a response on the previous thread from your post that was directed at me. To save you the time and effort to go back and read it, here it is since it’s appropriate for this thread.

Whiner
re@6:46 pm

Contrary to popular belief or opinion, TSA or the U.S. Government does not control the quality of airport screening outside the U.S. Are you suggesting that the U.S. federalize screening worldwide?

You seem thrilled to take any and every opportunity to try to bash the government, but it only makes you appear as uninformed as always. If you really want to point a finger at someone, try the screening company or police in Amsterdam, as that appears where the breakdown in security may have occurred.

As much as you hate to say or don’t want to say, TSA has held up since they were created.

Road Scholar

December 26th, 2009
9:05 am

Whiner, now who’s looking back!

Mrs G; hope your Christmas exceeded expectations.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
9:07 am

TSA- Transportation Security Agency, except of course, if you are incoming.

Then we look the other way.

Bon voyage!

#1 Foxy Lady

December 26th, 2009
9:08 am

Because of President Barak H. Obama, Noble Peace Prize Winner, Americans are proud of America and not too ashamed, because of George Bush, to defend this country with their own hands.

Road Scholar

December 26th, 2009
9:09 am

Oh yeah Whiner, do you really think that Bush II could drive a bus? Remember, he had trouble keeping his planes in the air when he was in the military. You’s know that if they ever released his military records!

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
9:12 am

Foxy Lady,

Proud of this country because of Bozo? Better, proud of this country despite him.

Brad Steel

December 26th, 2009
9:17 am

Whiner,
The high-jacker did not fit the racially disparaging raghead term used in your post.

Posting ethics require modification of your slur for racial accuracy and correct offensiveness.

Taxpayer

December 26th, 2009
9:19 am

It’s only human lives you play with for political reasons.

Typical Andy. Yawn.

jconservative

December 26th, 2009
9:20 am

“I Report” or “Whiner”, as some of you call him, is not on this post to engage in debate on an issue. His self-appointed role is to jab at the political opposition from the right. And that is a useful role on the blog. (He is like “Redneck Convert” who jabs from the left.) So as long as he is not participating in the debate, it is hard to discuss an issue with him. And that I do regret. But I enjoy reading the jabs from both.

Me? I like to get on the pulpit and preach. We all have our failings.

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
9:24 am

“His self-appointed role is to jab at the political opposition”

Jab? Nope, he’s just a stenographer for the opinions of others.

Reality

December 26th, 2009
9:27 am

My New Year’s resolution: No more blogging. Whiner, Convert, Dave, Aqua Girl et. al. Have fun tearing each other apart. So long everybody.

Mr Right

December 26th, 2009
9:32 am

Does Obama even HAVE any military records?

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
9:32 am

Whiner

Keep stretching buddy.

TSA’s mission:
“The Transportation Security Administration protects the Nation’s transportation systems to ensure freedom of movement for people and commerce.”

Copied directly from http://www.tsa.gov/who_we_are/mission.shtm

I don’t see anything related to international travel or security. They’re responsible for “National”. Care to try to fault them for Amsterdam again?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
9:34 am

Posting ethics require modification of your slur for racial accuracy and correct offensiveness.

The suspect, identified by a U.S. government official as 23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab

I don’t know, was he a hybrid raghead or what?

Mr Right

December 26th, 2009
9:36 am

Does Obama even HAVE any military records?

On second thought ‘does he have a record on ANYTHING before he was president?

Taxpayer

December 26th, 2009
9:37 am

hybrid raghead

Andy did a funny.

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
9:39 am

El Al is the only airline that I would feel safe in flying in this day and time. Their secruity measures are the standard of the industry and they are not hampered with the political correctness that gets in the way of every American airline operating on a regular basis. Each passenger is screened with an interview which can be repeated as much as three times. Each piece of baggage is examined carefully to check for explosives, including being subjected to a barometric chamber (the only airline to do this). The entrances and exits of the airport are patrolled with armed security guards, as well as the terminal. Armed security personnel are on every flight. The cockpit doors are sealed tight prior to takeoff. Persons with Arab or Muslim ties are interviewed with more scruntiny and many are denied flying privileges if the slightest thing seems even a bit suspicious.
El Al was consulted by every world carrier following 9/11 to emulate their security measures but many, including those based in America, were hampered by the threat of lawsuits, loss of business, etc because of profiling and political correctness. There is no such attitude in a country like Israel which fights every day for their survival. We have not reached this stage yet but it is bound to come. Are we at war with these fanatics or not?

Records Bureau

December 26th, 2009
9:40 am

Bush has a record. Let’s see. That would be

1) Unable to keep country safe on his watch.

And there’s more. So much more.

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
9:41 am

“was he a hybrid raghead or what?”

That’s right, give ‘em hell Whiner. Stand up for your right to insult anyone, anywhere, any time. It’s all freedom of speech…and incidentally, gives us all ENORMOUS insight into YOUR personality. And it ain’t pretty.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
9:42 am

So which nation did the plane land in, ABM?

On the Record

December 26th, 2009
9:47 am

So which nation did the plane land safely in, ABM?

And, for bonus points, on whose watch.

jconservative

December 26th, 2009
9:48 am

To you folks who are worried about terrorist attacks:

“Preliminary figures being released by the government Monday show that 37,313 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes last year.(2008) That’s 9.1 percent lower than the year before, when 41,059 died, and the fewest since 1961, when there were 36,285 deaths.” From Washington Times 4/6/2009

Of course, I guess the argument is that the 37,313 highway deaths in 2008 are acceptable whereas any deaths at the hands of terrorist are unacceptable.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
9:48 am

Andy

If you were on that plane would you have helped or hid?

On the Record

December 26th, 2009
9:53 am

Actually, I think it is funny, in a sad sort of way, that some folks think that this particular incident speaks poorly of anyone here in the states. No one died as a result of this attempted terrorist attack. However, I would note that the invasion of Iraq did not prevent said attempt. So much for all those wasted lives and dollars.

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
9:53 am

Whiner

Landing is far different than taking off. If there was mid-air screening available, then TSA could be a scapegoat. If TSA did pre-screening in Amsterdam, then TSA would be at fault. Neither of those happened, so how is TSA to blame?

For obvious reasons, I can’t go into detail but if he’s on any watch-list, it’s safe to say he’s being watched. If he’s on the no-fly list, he doesn’t fly, hence Jay’s mention ^^^ that he was not on that list.

This incident highlights one of many reasons I have no desire to travel abroad. As bad as people like you want to say our security screening is, this shows what it’s like elsewhere.

Corey

December 26th, 2009
9:54 am

Whiner, you’re right; Mr. Bush was not driving the buses during Katrina. However, he did say to the horse trader he appointed to head FEMA,”Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” Moreover, Mr./Ms. Whiner, continuing to spew hate laced, venemous lies in the face of facts to the contrary does not help your delusion.

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
9:56 am

jconservative,

So will it take 37,314 people killed in terrorist attacks before you get concerned? What an absurd comment.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
9:58 am

Kayaker 71

talk about absurd comments!

Delusions R Us

December 26th, 2009
9:58 am

Moreover, Mr./Ms. Whiner, continuing to spew hate laced, venemous lies in the face of facts to the contrary does not help your delusion.

I personally would not be so quick to make such a statement.

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
9:58 am

“continuing to spew hate laced, venemous lies in the face of facts to the contrary does not help your delusion”

Delusionals are not interested in anything that contradicts their delusions. They are only interested in what reinforces them. As we witness here daily.

Delusions R Us

December 26th, 2009
9:59 am

So will it take 37,314 people killed in terrorist attacks before you get concerned?

Examples of delusions abound.

Jackie

December 26th, 2009
10:00 am

Attempted terrorist attack thwarted on flight originating from The Netherlands. Is that something that we can say the citizens on the airplane and the country as a whole reaped the benefits of those who actively participated in the elimination of the threat.

The USA does not have operational control of the passengers boarding in foreign countries. Was there anything else that could have been done to have prevented the threat?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:02 am

and it morphs into delusions are us….but watch as it morphs into a few others as the day movesw on..

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
10:03 am

The foreign policy of obozo and the left wing is to blame America for all of the evil in the world and look the other way, so here’s Duhzilla asking me if I would have hid.

Sweet.

I probably would have thought about the dude getting released on a technicality or being housed in suburban Illinois, and would have saved everybody the trouble by choking his ass to death.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:05 am

ANdy

We will take that as a YES you would hide.

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:05 am

Jackie

That’s what it will take. Citizens have to take ownership of their safety. It’s nice to have the authorities whose primary job is to ensure that safety, but in the end, it’s all up to us as citizens.

Prime example, Isreal is used to dealing with terrorist/terrorism. If there’s an unattended bag left laying around, people report it and authorities respond to it in full force. Try leaving a bag laying around in the US. People will walk around it, walk over it, or it may even come up missing without people stopping to think what’s inside of it.

Shockingly Awesome

December 26th, 2009
10:05 am

Was there anything else that could have been done to have prevented the threat?

Yes. Preemptive strikes against all nations that allow such terrorist activities in their airports. The world must be protected by US soldiers and China must pay for it all. It’s the Republican way.

thomas

December 26th, 2009
10:07 am

I thought all of these type of events were to only be called (MAN-MADE DISATERS)?

Why are we now allowed to call them terrorist or terror anything?

Inconsistancies!!!!!!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
10:08 am

Yes, I too always have trouble identifying which airplanes are flying to the US. I know that they put like the city on the ticket but they could be trying fool you.

I wonder if al Qaeda is listening to the left congratulate themselves today and thinking that next time they should test fire their murderous concoction before getting on the unsecured airplane, that the TSA cares nothing about?

Tastes Great / Less Filling

December 26th, 2009
10:09 am

I probably would have thought about the dude getting released on a technicality or being housed in suburban Illinois, and would have saved everybody the trouble by choking his ass to death.

You probably would have thought that.

As for sweet? Nah!!

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
10:10 am

Ms. G,

The next time you book a flight on an American carrier and are 35,000 ft in the air flying toward your destination, remember how your security was assured prior to boarding. If a threat occurred on the flight, like the one described in Bookman’s lead in, how important would the profiling of the individual be to you to assure your safe arrival? I would think that seeking to assure your safety and those around you would be foremost on your mind and that political correctness would take a backseat to common sense.
The above is not an absurd comment based on the responses. jconservatice, you, Delusions, etc must feel that we don’t have a problem with airline security and that the comparison of highway deaths seems to justify those killed on airliners by Muslim terrorists. I sure hope that none of you are in charge of the security on my next flight.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:11 am

By the time Andy was half way through thinking about turning a situation like this to his political advantage, 2 grannies and a toddler would have taken the perp down.

Home of the Brave…..my home.

Achmed

December 26th, 2009
10:11 am

I wonder if al Qaeda is listening to the left congratulate themselves today and thinking that next time they should test fire their murderous concoction before getting on the unsecured airplane, that the TSA cares nothing about?

Re-usable volunteers are so hard to come by these days.

getalife

December 26th, 2009
10:12 am

The WH immediately called it terrorism but if this is what AQ has left, this war is pretty much over.

|I think it was a nut lighting a firecracker on a plane and the WH needs a distraction from the horrible freddie and fannie numbers coming.

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
10:12 am

“Citizens have to take ownership of their safety”

And the 911 attacks taught us that. The main reason that passengers on those planes didn’t react was because past American experience of high-jackings had taught us that the high-jackers would land the plane and negotiate. 911 taught us that could no longer be true, so passengers and crew learned in one horrible day that they might as well do something, because otherwise they might die anyway.

Common Sense

December 26th, 2009
10:13 am

Mrs. G.:

You surprise me. That’s “taking the law into your own hands”! Vigilantism! Are you going “hard” on us? I hear the Air Marshals are looking for a “few good women”!

As they said to the Duke once, “that’s mighty bold talk for a one-eyed fat man”!

P.S. Since our borders are wide open for terrorist infiltration and the government cannot possibily seal them is it o.k. for citizen groups to help out with that also ??

Achmed

December 26th, 2009
10:13 am

Be afraid Kayaker. Be very afraid. Dunham is coming to a town near you and he might just make you laugh yourself to death.

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:14 am

“Yes, I too always have trouble identifying which airplanes are flying to the US. I know that they put like the city on the ticket but they could be trying fool you.”

I can see even if I spelled it out for you, you still either don’t understand or just choose not to. The place your flight originates from is where the security check is done. The only exception that I have seen is El Al Airline (Israeli national carrier), and they provide their own security checks for people boarding their flights.

Are you suggesting that TSA goes international and screen all flights departing foreign countries and arriving here in the U.S.?

Common Sense

December 26th, 2009
10:15 am

…….. and for those of you thinking about the profiling thing don’t forget it has nothing to do with race or gender !

American, Middle Eastern, White Russian, Nigerian, Indonesian …………. the common denominator is Islam not race or gender !

thomas

December 26th, 2009
10:17 am

Why is my comment from 10:14 stuck in moderation?

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 26th, 2009
10:17 am

The only exception that I have seen is El Al Airline (Israeli national carrier), and they provide their own security checks for people boarding their flights.

Ding, ding, ding, ABM wins a prize!

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:18 am

“Since our borders are wide open for terrorist infiltration and the government cannot possibily seal them is it o.k. for citizen groups to help out with that also ??”

Does the name “The Minuteman Project” ring a bell?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152400,00.html

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:19 am

Whiner

You still haven’t answered my question. Should TSA be expanded beyond our nation’s borders?

thomas

December 26th, 2009
10:20 am

Mrs. Godzilla, are you advocating for citizen vigilantism?

What other law issues do you now also expect the citizens to take care of? Since you have made claims that Andy would do nothing and have used it in a negative sense.

Also I thought you were a rule of law kinda girl? Or was that only with GITMO and torture? I get your hypocritism and partisian ideas confused in my head.

So again why the sudden change and belief in Citizen vigilantes?

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
10:21 am

Ms G,

One that same flight 35,000 ft in the air, starting it’s nosedive toward terra firma due to a terrorist attack on the plane, it must make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that at least we didn’t profile the attacker.

Iris

December 26th, 2009
10:22 am

Enter your comments here

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 26th, 2009
10:24 am

Uh, when is “the world” going to start loving us again? I guess that’s just another failed promise from the lying Idiot Messiah and his media acolytes.

Dan

December 26th, 2009
10:24 am

Here it is, over 8 years after 911 and I still can’t find a plane at the Pentagon, OR a plane in Shanksville, PA OR any reason other than controlled demolition in the City. I, like over 100 million Americans suspect Government foul play. Why, WHY, does this incident smell like dead carp to me??

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:24 am

Kayaker

I’m not quite getting your point.

I have flown puddle jumpers cross state and big mama’s cross oceans. I hate to fly and take my
security on said flights quite seriously. I also don’t eat any of the food on domestic airlines.

What the numbers mean, is that you are still safer flying than you are driving. So all that ratcheting up the fear of them spooky terrorists does is drive hate.

We’d save more American lives not letting anybody under 21 drive.

That said, I don’t want you to think that it is my purpose is to marginalize violent political or religious
extremism.

It just needs to be put in perspective as to all the dangers we face every day.

Home of the Brave….

And again…

Let’s hear it for the passengers……

thomas

December 26th, 2009
10:25 am

kayaker,
have you not been paying attention!

IT IS TERRIBLY WRONG TO BREAK THE RULE OF LAW OR TO PROFILE ANYONE GROUP OR GROUPS OF PEOPLE.

Just ask Mrs. Godzilla, she has stated those opinions here many times. But please go to her for the exceptions to the rule. Because apperntly she is very proud of this citizen for taking the law into his own hands and saving himself, and is calling out those she does not think would have done the same as the man on the plane.

Lil' Barry Bailout

December 26th, 2009
10:26 am

Democrats LOVE citizen vigilantes, as long as they’re brandishing nightsticks and standing in front of polling places threatening “cracker” voters.

Iris

December 26th, 2009
10:28 am

Host to the brave as well as home of the brave. The passenger who saved the day was from Holland. Dank u Jasper Schuringa! You made it a far happier New Year from many many of us.

thomas

December 26th, 2009
10:28 am

Mrs. Godzilla, kinda shameless to not answer any of the questions regarding your sudden change of heart and now disregard for the rule of law, and your sudden advocacy of vigilantes?

Would it be rude of me to ask why?

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:28 am

Dan

Let it rest.

Jus Sayin…

Common Sense

December 26th, 2009
10:28 am

Oh, this Islamophobia stuff is getting totally out of hand. He thought yesterday was the 4th of July not Christmas!

P.S. to Southern Comfort @ 10:18 ……… exactly, especially if your land is on the border!

By the way ………. is Mrs. G. hiding ?

josef nix

December 26th, 2009
10:29 am

Well, well, well… mighty deep subject here for such a shallow mind as mine, but why should that stop me, eh?

What the h*ll does who from which party is, was, or will be in the White House have to do with this, Ft. Hood or 9/11? We are, have been, and will be under attack from a wide assortment of an organized coterie of terrorists bent on sewing disorder and discord and, from the looks hereabouts, are having the desired ends among our own little family of malcontents.

A couple of posters have brought up El Al. They’ve been dealing with this a lot longer than the rest of the world, so of course they have more experience and a better worked out system for dealing with it. There’s a lot the rest of us could learn from them and they are more than willing to share.

There will be those who find a way around security and do their dirt. That is an inevitable and something we are told at every turn by those charged with our safety. That so few have been successful speaks to their effectiveness. Be grateful for that. Put politics and bickering aside long enough to allow the investigators to do their work and, reports issued, correct those errors, refine the system and learn from the mistakes.

And just for the record, we’re awfully proud, as we should be, of those passangers who took matters into their own hands…how many were GOP? How many were Dems? Were they liberal or conservative? Were they Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, believers, non believers? What was their ethnicity? Were they profiled on the way through customs?

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
10:31 am

“Democrats LOVE citizen vigilantes”

and yet another “great” debator joins the ranks.

@@

December 26th, 2009
10:33 am

Oh lawdy! The administration is seriously considering John Kerry’s request to visit Tehran.

After losing his bid to be SoS, he gets to play the role in Tehran????

Khameini vs America’s pacifist.

Obama and Kerry…..Ahmadinejad’s version of Desperate Housewives.

thomas

December 26th, 2009
10:35 am

Joseph,
Are you saying these terrorist simply hate us regardless of the party in power, and that they disagree with the way we live our lives and see us as sinners in their view? Why that is blasphomy!

Of course it has to be either republican or a democrats fault, its not like these terrorist are crazy or anything.

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:36 am

josef

I brought up El Al in reference to security, but the person still has not answered whether or not TSA should adapt that model and be dispersed world-wide to screen all flights coming to the U.S.

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
10:39 am

Islamophohics? Wonder how the families of the 13 people killed at Ft. Hood feel about how the Army ignored all of the red flags raised prior to the shootings? The Army did it because of fear of profiling the subject and threatening the careers of those who questioned him. Until we get rid of this hideous fear of not questioning the obvious we are bound to repeat our mistakes over and over again. How many dead does it take?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:39 am

Thomas

Piffle.

Take it down a notch.

Vigilantes put people in gulags. Vigilantes order preemptive strikes. Vigilantes blow up government buildings. Vigilantes drag gays to their deaths.

If I was on a plane and somebody starts to light a wick I’m going to attempt to stop it.
Wouldn’t you?

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
10:41 am

“but the person still has not answered whether or not TSA should adapt that model ”

Well, going by the “ding ding ding” you got…I’d say he thinks our border security should be the responsibility of the airlines. Or, since El Al is the Israeli national airlines, he thinks ALL airlines should be nationalized…then the security of both the airlines and our borders could be run by the government.

Trainer

December 26th, 2009
10:41 am

Ding, ding, ding, ABM wins a prize!

You throw him a bone, ABM, and the training just kicks in.

josef nix

December 26th, 2009
10:41 am

I get a bit tickled with those who want to bring up our southern border as “wide open” for terrorists…I was talking to a colleague who covers the matter from the Mexican side. He makes the point that really that “wide open border” has proven to be one of our best defenses in keeping the terrorists out. The coyotes do their own profiling and screening, making sure that they weed out and, yes, believe it or not, report suspicious characters to the authorities or, as has happened, take care of it themselves. Why? Well, as the colleague says they say, “it would be bad for business.”

@@

December 26th, 2009
10:42 am

Here’s the guy who took down the terrorist.

Jasper Schuringa subdued alleged terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on Northwest Airlines 253

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/12/26/2009-12-26_jasper_schuringa_helped_subdue_alleged_terrorist_umar_farouk_abdulmutallab_on_no.html#ixzz0aoyDmJLY

An artsy type….doesn’t necessarily make him a liberal though. I’m an artsy type myself.

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:44 am

josef

Most people here wouldn’t know about the dealings of the coyotes.

kayaker 71

December 26th, 2009
10:45 am

@@

He looks a little light in the loafers to me.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:45 am

@@

thanks for the link on Jaspar…..

Thank you Jaspar. You’re welcome here anytime!

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:47 am

Doggone

Nationalization of security and the airlines, say it isn’t so?? Our beloved Whiner wouldn’t sell out like that. hehehehehee

DoggoneGA

December 26th, 2009
10:50 am

SoCo…well, he never does think all the way through what he says to the end conclusion. Wanna bet he doesn’t see that one either?

I know, let’s invent a conspiracy theory to keep him busy, how about this one: it was all a sham to disarm us from suspicion of Jaspar. They set it all up to make Jaspar a hero, so that he would be welcomed with open arms…and then free to set up sleeper cells in this country. Seems like a pretty good conspiracy to ME!

josef nix

December 26th, 2009
10:51 am

Kayaker…

“He looks a little light in the loafers to me.”

He does to me, too, and boy am I one puffed up, proud sissie this a.m. But, ssh, DADT! :-)

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:52 am

I’ll buy that one. Jaspar has one sneaky looking smile. And he’s a film producer too, I wonder how AQ get’s all their new releases filmed and shopped around.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:54 am

Butlers are often named Jaspar.

And the Butler always did it.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 26th, 2009
10:55 am

josef

i have always liked you!

Southern Comfort

December 26th, 2009
10:58 am

josef

I’d be careful with the puffed up part. You know some of the resident homophobes might get a little nervous about that.

:)

josef nix

December 26th, 2009
10:59 am

Mrs. G–
Thanks, and likewise I’m sure…

The Butler did it? Okay, Rhett…did you set the match to Atlanta?

BTW–Fierce Advocate, ask your “panel” if they’d mind sharing a foxhole with Jaspar.

@@

December 26th, 2009
11:01 am

kayaker:

Light in the loafers? How can one tell?

He’s on Facebook. I suppose anyone who wanted to know, could just ask?

I’ll just think of him as “The Flying Dutchman”.

getalife

December 26th, 2009
11:04 am

A gay hero?

Could end DADT.

Probably a stoner to end the prohibition on weed.

josef nix

December 26th, 2009
11:06 am

SoCo—
I thought about that, but I’d already said it!

As per the coyotes, you’re right about that. My colleague also says they have been putting pressure on the central government to do something about the competition from the drug cartels who do not, as they say, have the best interests of their customers in mind…forgetting the politics, etc, for a moment and looking at them as “a public service provider” business model…

JohnD

December 26th, 2009
11:06 am

A passenger on a flight from Amsterdam to the US tries to blow up a plane and the GOP and Right-WIng Nuts on this board blame Obama for the airport security in Amsterdam?

No wonder the GOP is yesterday’s news.

RW-(the original)

December 26th, 2009
11:10 am

I’ll have to look up the rules but I’m calling BS on the notion that we have no control of what gets on to flights originating in foreign lands that are destined for the US.

We’re actually fortunate in more ways than one that this guy wasn’t successful. Had he blown up the plane we would have a year or two of investigation to tell us electrical wires needed different routing or something equally vague.