Iranian reformers continue to challenge government’s foundation

The death Sunday of Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri has recharged opposition protests in Iran. Montazeri was a highly respected religious figure — perhaps the most widely revered imam in the country — who had come to the conclusion that clerics held too much political power in Iran, which he argued compromised the integrity both of Islam and the government.

That argument constitutes a direct assault on the current regime, which claims that only religious figures can hold ultimate civil authority over believers. Montazeri’s support insulated reformers from the charge that they were anti-Islamic, and in death that support seems to have taken on even more power.

Below is video taken from a funeral procession Monday in the holy city of Qum. Iranian officials had tried to prevent and then quell this demonstration. They clearly failed. In fact, the government’s continued inability to silence its critics is an encouraging and eventually perhaps fatal sign of weakness.

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GOP is Gone

December 23rd, 2009
8:21 am

Just curious, how many of the people that post here actually looked at the link I put up on an earlier blog for http://www.anysoldier.com ? Has anyone bothered to send the troops care packages? I hope so. I believe it shows them that the majority of Americans untouched by this war at least think about them and what they have given up. With this all volunteer Military we have, a lion’s share of the volunteers do so because of socioeconomic circumstances.

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December 23rd, 2009
8:22 am

Now I get a whole column, eh?

And you are right, it is fatal, these things only grow when weakness is sensed.

Kinda like what’s happening to the dummycrat party over health care, just substitute “weakness” for “corruption.”

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

And to think, there appears to be a revolution brewing without us sending in soldiers for a regime change.

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December 23rd, 2009
8:29 am

Hey, they do have some spunk left in them-

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran’s president on Tuesday dismissed a year-end deadline set by the Obama administration and the West for Tehran to accept a U.N.-drafted deal to swap enriched uranium for nuclear fuel, and claimed his government is now “10 times stronger” than a year ago. -Urinal

They’d rather take on Obozo the world girlie then the opposition protesters, it must be that weak horse/ strong horse deal again.

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December 23rd, 2009
8:42 am

Atlanta home prices go up – Industry analysts attributed the boost in sales largely to the original deadline of the federal tax credit for first-time home buyers. – That program, which provided an $8,000 tax credit for first-time buyers, was set to expire in November. It has since been extended to June 30 and now includes a $6,500 credit for repeat buyers. -Urinal

While the dummycrats desperately want the housing bubble to reinflate and use government resources to influence the markets, let’s call it the second coming of the CRA, it makes you wonder, when the tax credit money runs out and the mortgage fails, will there be any bankers left around to demonize as the “culprits?”

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December 23rd, 2009
8:47 am

Front page of the Urinal business section, in big bold screaming typeface-

Economy in fragile recovery, 3rd-quarter GDP increases 2.2 percent.

Seems to me that the headline should have been Third quarter growth revised downward, but that would be if you weren’t shameless stooge cheerleaders for the White House.

@@

December 23rd, 2009
8:47 am

Iran having their own little tea party, eh? Sweet!

Very sweet!!!!

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
8:49 am

@@

That’s what they need. The younger generations are more in tune with modern cultures and don’t have memories of past crackdowns by the government. I think that’s a bad mix for the power structure of Iran. They can either adapt and embrace the youthful energy, or they can become old dinosaurs and become extinct as the young rise up and take power.

Doggone/GA

December 23rd, 2009
8:51 am

“or they can become old dinosaurs and become extinct as the young rise up and take power.”

Or they can run them down with tanks, like the Chinese did in Tienenman Square. Never underestimate the desperation with which power holders will hang onto their power.

AmVet

December 23rd, 2009
8:51 am

Who knows what the future holds for the Middle East.

I’m just very thankful that we had regime change.

In THIS country!

Bomb Iran!

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 23rd, 2009
8:52 am

Well, I reckon there’s good rebels and bad rebels and that’s true in Iran too. The only thing they have in common is they want to kill us all or make us get down barefooted on a rug and pray to their Allah.

Right now we got our own good rebels. They’re called Republicans and Conservatives. And soon as we get back in power there’ll be nothing but bad rebels left. They’re called libruls.

I still say we’re better off just dealing with Iran once and for all. We already got the troops next door. Just drop a couple big ones on their capital or let Israel do it for us and then turn the troops loose. If we don’t use the money for war the libruls will just use it for all this Socialism. They might could do it anyway. Heck, we give a big tax cut and started up two wars that cost a ton and the libruls want to spend more anyway. They just don’t understand there’s no money left after we do what we want to do.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. Have a Merry Christmas everybody and pray for war.

Jenifer

December 23rd, 2009
8:54 am

Religions teach love, yet, in many cases, cause war.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
8:56 am

Doggone

Agreed. But the difference in China and Iran is the ready availability of weapons to render those tanks useless in Iran. I believe that if Iran went total hostile, they would be met with armed resistance somewhere down the road.

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2009
8:57 am

“Religions teach love, yet, in many cases, cause war.”

I consider myself a Christian and I haven’t started a war w/ anybody. It’s not a good idea to assume EVERYONE in a religion is the same. Some are in it for the right reasons and some aren’t.

Rightwing Troll

December 23rd, 2009
8:57 am

I say bomb em, bomb em all!!! Especially while they’re in big groups like that. We should be launching volley after volley of Tomahawks right into the middle of those large groups of evil Iranians while we can. Because soon they’ll have an atomic weapon. And that weapon will islamicised so that one atomic weapon will be able to turn all of our American cities into mushroom clouds…

Bomb em back to the middle ages…

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 23rd, 2009
8:58 am

Whatever became of Salmon Rushdie? Did the Iranians “off” him?

Doggone/GA

December 23rd, 2009
8:59 am

“But the difference in China and Iran is the ready availability of weapons to render those tanks useless in Iran”

I’m not sure those weapons are readily available to their populace though…but you can never discount the possibility of another country getting involved, especially in the Middle East.

Rightwing Troll

December 23rd, 2009
9:00 am

“They can either adapt and embrace the youthful energy, or they can become old dinosaurs and become extinct as the young rise up and take power.”

Heh…

Kinda like the GOP… except it’s the even older dinosaurs rising up to take the power…

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 23rd, 2009
9:00 am

Rightwing Troll

December 23rd, 2009
8:57 am

LOL…

After we bomb them once should we then bomb them again and again and again and again and again…?

Carmine

December 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

I wonder if they were shouting “death to america”? That WOULD make it a Iranian Tea Party. Great point.

Doggone/GA

December 23rd, 2009
9:01 am

“Whatever became of Salmon Rushdie?”

Google is your friend

The Nerve

December 23rd, 2009
9:02 am

Rushdie is alive and well. Been married about 4 times, all to supermodels I think. The last was Padma Lakshmi from “Top Chef”.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
9:05 am

“but you can never discount the possibility of another country getting involved, especially in the Middle East.”

My thoughts exactly. There may be a country that’s worried about Iran going nuclear that hasn’t said anything in public and decides to use this unrest as an opportunity to stymie their nuclear ambitions thru internal strife.

getalife

December 23rd, 2009
9:05 am

Good for them and the world will leave them alone after they get nukes.

Common Sense

December 23rd, 2009
9:10 am

Just remember – the Israeli Air Force is cocked and locked ………… any day now.

Joel Edge

December 23rd, 2009
9:13 am

GOP is Gone
Can’t let this pass. With one hand you praise the troops while the other delivers a back hand slap.
“a lion’s share of the volunteers do so because of socioeconomic circumstances.” Thanks, that pretty cheapens the idea of service to the country.

Carmine

December 23rd, 2009
9:15 am

The AJC today reported that a British priest is preaching that sometimes stealing is okay, provided the thief isn’t greedy.

In a related story, the sign at the entrance to Auschwitz was stolen recently………

BMDPD

December 23rd, 2009
9:16 am

Joel, we militarie folks ar pour and unedumicated.

Common Sense

December 23rd, 2009
9:19 am

I would love to see the look on private Obama’s face when one of his staff wakes him up at 3am to tell him the Israeli’s have bombed the heck out of Iran.

P.S. It has been kind of refreshing this week to not have to respond to any of Ms. Tucker’s drivel next door.

@@

December 23rd, 2009
9:25 am

SC:

I’ve posted a link to our younger generation’s revolution twice. The AJC site isn’t accepting the post.

“Rock the Vote.com” (top of the page)….watch the video. Women objectifying themselves and launching F bombs.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=AM7&q=Rock+the+Vote+ad&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1

Aren’t they cute? Clueless is more like it.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 23rd, 2009
9:26 am

Common Sense

December 23rd, 2009
9:19 am

More often than not Ms Tucker is somewhate misguided, however, I kinda miss her. Plus she is a HOTTIE!!!

George

December 23rd, 2009
9:29 am

In ten days I’ll have a war on with those Communist bastards, and I’ll make it look like THEIR fault.

Jake

December 23rd, 2009
9:30 am

Just another manifestation of the successful Bush-Cheney Middle East policy.

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December 23rd, 2009
9:31 am

There are other revolutions underway in the world-

Our own view is that Mr. Griffith is the first Blue Dog casualty of this year’s hard-left Democratic policy turn, but he decided to switch rather than fight next year. Many other Blue Dogs who voted for the stimulus, cap and tax, and health care are likely to experience a different kind of exit from the majority.-WSJ

Jimmy62

December 23rd, 2009
9:32 am

http://insciences.org/article.php?article_id=8012
Check it out, a PEER REVIEWED paper that says it’s CFCs, not carbon, that caused global warming. Makes sense, as the cooling over the last decade corresponds with world reduction of CFC use in response to the ozone layer hole. This makes logical sense, unlike the carbon theories, and matches what a regular person observes. The best part? The raw data is out there, this guy isn’t hiding any of his research.

So hey, I guess the science is settled now, right? We can stop coming up with plans to destroy our economy! Oh, except you guys won’t believe this because it won’t lead to a massive expansion of government, which was really the plan from the start. I doubt you’ll see this reported in many big media outlets, since it would put the lie to their narrative.

But to those of us who care about the truth and science, this paper is pretty damn important. And the results can be replicated since this guy isn’t hiding the data.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
9:37 am

Whiner

No mention of the GOPer who switched? Seems like that’s a two-way street nowadays.

FrankLeeDarling

December 23rd, 2009
9:39 am

I wonder if this reform has a secular angle to it.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 23rd, 2009
9:39 am

Whatever happened to the H1N1 scare?
Whatever happened to that much needed almost mandatory vaccine?

What about the children, the pregnant mothers, the fetusi of the pregnant mothers, the elderly, the young, the cats, the massive deaths, the pandemic, the worldwide infections, the coughs/colds, the financial ruin due to so many missing work, the collapse of world financial markets, the tsunami’s, the Pope, the nationwide closings of schools, the orphans, the raping and pillaging, the infected bacon…OH LORD PLEASE SPARE US from such!!!

My friend WE SHOULD ALL BE DEAD by now…or perhaps it was a media/govt scam?

Doggone/GA

December 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

“since this guy isn’t hiding the data.”

over and over and over

Soothsayer

December 23rd, 2009
9:41 am

The bail-out of Wall Street and the banking and mortgage industries is not monetary policy; it is a massive transfer of wealth from future taxpayers to the Financial Power Elite.

The monetary-policy terminology of “quantitative easing” and “bail-out” is a masterstroke of propaganda, for it purposefully masks an unprecedented transfer of wealth from future taxpayers to the Financial Power Elite.

I want to be crystal-clear here: what Bernanke & Co. represent as “monetary policy” is in fact a massive transfer of wealth from future generations of U.S. taxpayers to Wall Street and the banking/mortgage industries.

The propaganda is purposefully designed to distract our attention from the fact that “monetary policy” has fiscal consequences for future taxpayers–unprecedented mountains of Federal debt which must be serviced over a generation in which interest rates will rise.

Various SIFPs (standard-issue financial pundits) are trotted out as shills to support “quantitative easing” and “bail-outs” as “sound monetary policy” to ward off Depression. Yet what did squandering $1.2 trillion on toxic mortgage-backed securities actually gain the nation? What did squandering several trillion dollars on bailing out AIG, Wall Street, the banks, Fannie and Freddie, GMAC, etc. etc. etc. actually gain the nation?

Perhaps the only “depression” that was averted was the depression the Financial Power Elite would have experienced had their empires of leverage and derivatives been allowed to fall, eradicating their ill-gotten wealth in the process.

The goal of propaganda is to redirect attention away from the truth via misinformation and the construction of plausible, emotionally appealing facades–simulacra in the Survival+ analysis.

Thus the transfer of trillions from your childrens’ future earnings is masked behind the seemingly harmless and cost-free facade of “monetary policy.”

@@

December 23rd, 2009
9:47 am

I’m all for the external protests, but it’s the protests within the regime that interest me most.

Domestic media reported that many members of the Art Centre’s board of trustees might resign in protest at Mr Moussavi’s dismissal and his replacement by Ali Moallem, a poet.

That ^^^ I see as nothing more than a power swap. Much like what we experienced in the election of 2008.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE, not the powerful.

Gale

December 23rd, 2009
9:48 am

Did anyone else see the story about a guy sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia for SORCERY? Sorcery. Apparently the religion police are fearful of losing power and are grabbing anything they can claim to be in their juristician. We have no hope of understanding the people in these countries.

@@

December 23rd, 2009
9:53 am

Poets and artists leading Iran? Most of our politicians are con-artists. The poetry is in their nuanced facts, or lack thereof.

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December 23rd, 2009
9:57 am

ABM- Which “GOPer” would that be?

Jimmy62

December 23rd, 2009
10:08 am

Hey, Doggone, I’m sure you crowed plenty about how the carbon junk science was “peer reviewed.” So is this. Are you going to deny this possibility? Why? Are you so stuck in a certain viewpoint that any evidence to the contrary just gets denied, mocked, and ignored? I’d say that’s pretty close-minded. You say, “over and over and over” and I say, you and your side have done nothing to answer the questions people have, other than say, “over and over and over.”

GOP is Gone

December 23rd, 2009
10:09 am

Joel Edge,

What a completely asinine thing to say. The point is the volunteer military usually does so because they want to have a chance at college that they may not have otherwise. The POINT was you do not see many sons and daughters of rich parents volunteer, thus the reference to the circumstances of volunteering. Of coarse there are always exceptions to the rule. I see you neglected to answer the question I put. How many times have YOU sent things to the troops? Do I hear a deafening silence? I might guess you bought a yellow magnet for your Expedition though.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
10:09 am

I think there was one state legislator in Maine. Trying to search for it between passengers.

Mr Right

December 23rd, 2009
10:09 am

“In fact, the government’s continued inability to silence its critics is an encouraging and eventually perhaps fatal sign of weakness.”

Hey Jay, your last could be referring to the junk going on in Washington.
Obama’s health care bill, the poisoned Kool-Aid making its way through the Senate, will not confer any of its supposed benefits on Americans until 2013. But they will find themselves chafing at its restrictions and paying its taxes immediately after the law takes effect. Then, they will see no gain, but plenty of pain, for the next three years.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
10:12 am

Whiner

Here’s one link I found from Politico:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Maine_Republican_leaves_party_over_health_care.html?showall

Leaving for same reason as Griffith in Alabama. GOP gets a conservative Democrat and Dems get a liberal Republican.

Mr Right

December 23rd, 2009
10:12 am

six years of spending with ten years of taxing, it managed to appear deficit neutral under the rules of the Congressional Budget Office. In fact, the annual revenues fall far short of covering any single year’s worth of spending, adding to the deficit for each of the last six years over the next ten, but, viewing the decade as a whole, it appears deficit neutral.

Jimmy62

December 23rd, 2009
10:13 am

http://insciences.org/article.php?article_id=8012

The link again. A peer-reviewed paper with raw data available and calculations and models open for anyone to see. And it claims, with data backing up the claims, that it’s CFCs, not carbon, causing global warming. Seeing as we have been cooling this decade, corresponding with worldwide reduction in CFC use, it makes a lot more sense than carbon. And I bet you’ll soon find many of the “skeptics” that you probably denounce as not real scientists, agreeing with this finding.

Jimmy62

December 23rd, 2009
10:13 am

Mr Right

December 23rd, 2009
10:14 am

The rationing of medical care will start immediately on enactment and, one hopes, the outraged phone calls will start to descend on those whose votes enabled it.

Doggone/GA

December 23rd, 2009
10:14 am

“You say, “over and over and over” ”

I said nothing about the report, or any other report. The “over and over and over” was for you repeating over and over and over the lie that data was “hidden”

Mr Right

December 23rd, 2009
10:15 am

Democrats who misguidedly vote for this monstrosity will face immediate political repercussions.

wyldbyllhyltnyr

December 23rd, 2009
10:16 am

The regime in Iran is ready to fall. All we need is for the American President to say, “The US supports freedom and the US supports these dissidents.” But Obama is too weak to take a stand for freedom. A true shame because if America were to blow freedom’s horn, the walls of the corrupt and repressive Iranian regime would come tumbling down.

On another front, @@, I’m heading out to my place in the Pine Ridge section at the Yellowstone Club through the first week in January. We have about 14 acres and have bred some of our San Peppy Badger stock with Appaloosa stock and we keep these appaloosas, really quarterhorses with color, there instead of our normal stock in keeping with the whole Montana, Idaho motif. Perhaps you would like to spend a few days between x-mas and new years. We could ride some, ski if you like, snow machine, and enjoy the warm fire and a hot toddy juxtaposed against the brisk snowy days.

You’ve got the email address and I’ll arrange the flight if you’d care to discuss the way Obama has drug the great nation down.

getalife

December 23rd, 2009
10:17 am

The Pentagon is not giving the Israelis the bunker busters for a reason.

They do not want to unite the Iranian people.

They want another Iranian revolution.

BMDPD

December 23rd, 2009
10:19 am

GOP is Gone, you are misguided. This Military Retiree grew up in Peachtree City as a Pilot’s kid.

josef nix

December 23rd, 2009
10:22 am

So far this is an internal revolution and is best left there. President Obama was correct in his response to the post election unrest, in my opinion.

SoCo makes a good point in that it may just be that we can have regime change for the better in that part of the world without our military being involved.

Iran the nuclear power aspirant is another issue which does require outside attention. The balance between that and hands off is a dicey question. I would hope that if we outsiders do keep out of the internal unrest and the revolt does lead to a regime change, there will be more credit given to those “outsiders.”

@@

December 23rd, 2009
10:23 am

Wyld:

You do tempt with your “lively stock” and trade. My husband hates horses, AND snow skiing.

What’re we gonna do with him?

(IW&SH)

Merry Christmas, cowboy!!!

getalife

December 23rd, 2009
10:29 am

lil bill,

Try match.com for somebody to ride. That smooth bs might work there.

Which part of husband did you not understand?

More family values freak.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
10:33 am

The Iranians seem to be taking care of things themselves, as the case is when a country’s populace desires change.

I haven’t done this in a while, but considering we have a new wave of those dead set on bombing the Iranians:

Explain to us a scenario, where Iran could nuke us? A real one, not like on the TV show, 24.

Carmine

December 23rd, 2009
10:35 am

Iran needs a public option concerning their governance.

Obama’s no public option compromise:

Kathleen Parker, (AJC opinion page), compares Obama’s no-public option compromise to W’s Harriet Meirs moment. That makes it official: everyone, and I mean everyone, (including Susan Boyle), has written Obama off.

Obama’s precipitous fall in support matches Tiger Woods’ PR pratfall, which corroborates what many have suspected all along: that Tiger Woods and Obama are the same person.

The art of compromise is supposed to be a positive quality in a president. Henry Clay was considered some sort of political genius. He staved off the civil war for a generation with eloquence alone.

A public option would torpedo the insurance lobby’s stranglehold on our legislative branch. A public option would fulfill the promise of our purposeful triad: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We need a public option.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
10:35 am

“The regime in Iran is ready to fall. All we need is for the American President to say, ‘The US supports freedom and the US supports these dissidents.’”

That is the best way to get as many killed as possible. The only thing that does is paint the US as the “evil boogeyman” and allows the regime to crack down on those who side with the enemy. The best thing we can do is allow the process to unfold from within. I’m sure they already know the U.S. is in full support of their actions. We are, as was once said, “a shining beacon” for those who wish for freedom.

As an example, how many countries got involved with the Civil Rights Movement here in the U.S.? Or, how many countries got involved with Women’s Suffrage?

wyldbyllhyltnyr

December 23rd, 2009
10:36 am

getalife
10:29 am

There was only the offer of one horse lover to another to show his stock. There was nothing sexual or improper with my invitation, rather, it was a decent offer to spend time with a kindred spirit. Perhaps, if Mr. @@ like horses and skiing, I would have invited both.

Believe me, ol’ Wyld Byll has not problem with the ladies, but I do wish that I could find one with @@’s intellect and world view.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
10:36 am

josef,

“So far this is an internal revolution and is best left there. President Obama was correct in his response to the post election unrest, in my opinion.

SoCo makes a good point in that it may just be that we can have regime change for the better in that part of the world without our military being involved.”

Right on.

And hopefully down the road, a nuclear threat from Iran will be about as relevant as one from say…..France. Do the French even have a nuclear bomb?

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
10:38 am

“that Tiger Woods and Obama are the same person. ”

OMG! I think you’re right!!!

josef nix

December 23rd, 2009
10:42 am

GOP is GONE–
Your point on the socio-economic composition of the volunteer military is one that very few want to discuss, left, right or center. In the middle of a fracas hereabouts the other day I posted the figures on the percentage of casualties versus the percentage of the general population of two groups, one regional, the other ethnic-race. The disparity should have begged comment. It did not.

The military has a tradition, and one of which they can be proud, of offering an avenue of escape from the grinding poverty and disenfranchisement which have characterized these two groups. The volunteer military allowed the armed forces to be able to take the best and brightest from these groups and to provide the skills, training, education and character development for leadership. Those who would disparage the military based on the socio-economic origins of so many of its enlistees are self-satisfied, arrogant and ignorant pompous a*ses.

To say that these young men and women joined “only” to have some place to go is an insult to their sense of duty, love of country, and dedication to service, values which, I should hope, are not the province of a specific region, race or ethnic.

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December 23rd, 2009
10:45 am

ABM- That’s a state legislator. This is a national election and issue that I speak of.

@@

December 23rd, 2009
10:46 am

SC:

The regime is already putting the message out that we’re behind the revolution. That one goes to the regime supporters and onlookers from other countries. The protesters know better.

Either Obama’s words matter or they don’t. I think, in this instance, at least, they would matter to the protesters.

getalife

December 23rd, 2009
10:46 am

lil bill,

Just put looking for wingnuts in your profile on match.com.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
10:48 am

josef,

Not sure if I read the last paragraph of you latest post, but GOP is gone did not write that was the “only” reason some join the military.

@@

December 23rd, 2009
10:48 am

Come to think of it, Obama may be keeping his mouth shut because he doesn’t support democracy. Sho ’nuff don’t support it in the good ol’ U.S.ofA.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
10:49 am

josef,

Duh, of course I read the last paragraph, not sure if I read it right……in other words, are you trying to say GOP is gone wrote that was the only reason people join the military?

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
10:49 am

Whiner

I know. The state guy is changing because of the position that his representatives are taking.

Either way, it seems more like the two are just re-aligning based on the way they already believe.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
10:52 am

josef,

BTW, I hope you are enjoying your time off – teachers certainly deserve it!!

Hard Right Hook

December 23rd, 2009
10:53 am

GOP is Gone

December 23rd, 2009
10:09 am
Joel Edge,

What a completely asinine thing to say. The point is the volunteer military usually does so because they want to have a chance at college that they may not have otherwise. The POINT was you do not see many sons and daughters of rich parents volunteer, thus the reference to the circumstances of volunteering. Of coarse there are always exceptions to the rule. I see you neglected to answer the question I put. How many times have YOU sent things to the troops? Do I hear a deafening silence? I might guess you bought a yellow magnet for your Expedition though.

Bozo Joe Biden’s son is in the Army and is (or was) in theatre. And if a person really wanted an education, there are at least 100 ways to do it without getting shot at or dodging IED’s. Voluntarily.

Southern Comfort

December 23rd, 2009
10:54 am

@@

I think it’s opposite of your 10:46. The regime wants to demonize the U.S. but can not produce actual evidence of us being involved. That is what I believe gives the protest more energy because they’re seeing the regime do everything they can to justify their existence. The harder they try, the more the regime shows that everything they say are lies. I think that’s what’s the driving energy of the protest.

The younger generation has connected worldwide via the internet and realized everything they’ve been told about Western civilization are fabricated lies. If Obama, or anyone connected to his administration, puts out any kind of message of support, it will be twisted by the regime to prove that they are right all along. As individual Americans, we have been sending them messages all along and should continue to do so. That’s the message the regime can’t stop or counter.

josef nix

December 23rd, 2009
11:05 am

Bosch–
France has nuclear weapons, it along with the US, UK, Russia (Soviet Union) and China were for a long time the original and only members of “the club.” Since then India, Pakistan and North Korea have acknowledged they have nuclear weapons. Israel has them, it just doesn’t admit it. South Africa has abandoned and disposed of its nuclear weapons. Belarus, Kazakhstan and the Ukraine inherited considerable arsenals following the breakup and have transferred the arsenals to Russia, but there remains some question as to how thorough this was. These are the states which have (or have had) delivery capacity. Several other states are in the process of developing both the weapons and/or delivery capacity. Additionally, Belgium, Germany, Canada, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey and Greece have permitted nuclear weapons/delivery systems on their territory.

Jake

December 23rd, 2009
11:05 am

Bosch – They don’t have to be able to nuke the US to be a clear and present danger. If they launch a nuke anywhere near Tel Aviv the Israelis will retaliate and zillions of barrels of oil will become irradiated. Think somewhere around $1000 a barrel oil prices overnight and see how our struggling economy collapses completely.

@@

December 23rd, 2009
11:05 am

SC:

I’m gonna respectfully disagree. A word of support from the outside, could bring more on board knowing that they’re not isolated.

obama ya ba oona ya ba ma?

If Obama, or anyone connected to his administration, puts out any kind of message of support, it will be twisted by the regime to prove that they are right all along.

Like I said, it’s already being declared by the regime. The young people aren’t stupid. They don’t believe everything their president tells ‘em. That’s our young people you’re thinking of.

I’m off to the market.

josef nix

December 23rd, 2009
11:10 am

Bosch–
Thanks for bringing up the point of clarification—no, I was NOT saying GOP was making this contention. I was agreeing with his challenge of that point being made by a previous poster.

And, yes, finally I do have a day truly off, nothing demanding my attention outside the house…nice!

TW

December 23rd, 2009
11:12 am

Real shame this political disembowelment is what it’s taken for the GOP to begin a healing process. Surely, a viewing of ‘The Christmas Carol’ would have done the trick?

After all, the ‘conservative’ voice should be an important part of our debate – not this tea-bag, simple sarah, ‘no’ for the sake of ‘no’ childish nonsense. But, if it’s part of the GOP adolescence as a party, part of their maturation from being the self-absorbed party of ME, then I guess it’s worth it.

We’ll continue to love you until you learn how to love yourselves :)

Disgusted

December 23rd, 2009
11:17 am

Perhaps, if Mr. @@ like horses and skiing, I would have invited both.

. . . and the check is in the mail and I’m from the government and I’m here to help you and . . .

IW

December 23rd, 2009
11:17 am

Battered women often mistake abuse for love.

Kamchak

December 23rd, 2009
11:24 am

We’ll continue to love you until you learn how to love yourselves.

An expression of love might be a long time a-coming.

Tea Partier Calls C-SPAN, Worried His Prayers For Byrd To Die Got Inhofe Instead.

“Our small tea bag group here in Waycross, we got our vigil together and took Dr. Coburn’s instructions and prayed real hard that Sen. Byrd would either die or couldn’t show up at the vote the other night,” the caller said.

“How hard did you pray because I see one of our members was missing this morning. Did it backfire on us? One of our members died? How hard did you pray senator? Did you pray hard enough?” he continued, his voice breaking.

Normal

December 23rd, 2009
11:25 am

And hopefully down the road, a nuclear threat from Iran will be about as relevant as one from say…..France. Do the French even have a nuclear bomb?

Bosch, in a word…yes. They even have nuke subs to deliver them, if their Air Force was ever taken out.

As to Iran, I agree with SoCo and Josef. If the regime does fall from within, then hopefully there will be a more rational leadership. Wait and see…

Jimmy62

December 23rd, 2009
11:27 am

Doggone- Sorry for my mistake. I thought if the scientists themselves said they threw away the raw data, that meant they don’t have it. But apparantely, according to you, they were lying, and they have all the raw data. So if they are lying, and it’s there, why can’t they produce it? I don’t understand, maybe you can shed some light, since you seem to know more about the raw data than the scientists who actually worked on it and said, straight out, that they threw it away.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
11:28 am

josef,

Enjoy a good book! Thanks for the clarification.

Jake,

It wouldn’t just be our economy that collapsed, and if such a thing happened, they would instantly be wiped off the planet – they know that. I don’t think for a minute that even Ahmadawhatever his name is is that crazy.

Jenifer

December 23rd, 2009
11:33 am

Kamchak,

Here they go again, showing their Christian love for mankind.

RW-(the original)

December 23rd, 2009
11:39 am

Didn’t Obama already threaten to send Iran a strongly worded letter?

Speaking of Salman Rushdie that dude found time to marry and divorce Padma. He ought to have a fatwa out on him just for that.

Kamchak

December 23rd, 2009
11:39 am

Jenifer

There seems to be a debate about the authenticity of the caller–real or hoax. After listening to the call, I conclude the caller was sincere in his desire for Byrd’s death.

GOP is Gone

December 23rd, 2009
11:39 am

NO YOU are misguided BMDPD,

THIS Military kid grew up in every base USA with my Major Marine Dad, who by they way joined the Military to go to College and stayed in. When your father is killed at 12, and you are the oldest kid, you do what you have to do if you want an education.

Dave R.

December 23rd, 2009
11:39 am

“In fact, the government’s continued inability to silence its critics is an encouraging and eventually perhaps fatal sign of weakness.”

Read: Hope & Change and anything regarding the Democrat “leadership”. Eventually, despotism is overthrown when rational people finally take a stand.

Bosch

December 23rd, 2009
11:41 am

Hey Normal!

My point was that hopefully down the road Iran with the changes we are seeing, Iran will be as much of a nuclear threat as France. But you made me think of something else, just how great is the Iranian Air Force? Many make assumptions of a country’s capability based on our military models. Nuclear weapons can’t just be picked up and left on someone’s doorstep so to speak.

RW-(the original)

December 23rd, 2009
11:42 am

I don’t think for a minute that even Ahmadawhatever his name is is that crazy.

Bosch,

You don’t know much about Ahmadinejad’s ideas on how humans can speed the return of the 12th Imam apparently.

josef nix

December 23rd, 2009
11:43 am

Bosch–
Enjoying the book(s) already..re-reading Tom Piazza’s “Why New Orleans Matters”–that man’s writing is a work of art…digging around the contemporary accounts of the Choctaw Removal got me started on de Tocqueville…

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 23rd, 2009
11:43 am

“Battered women often mistake abuse for love.”

Hmmm…You’ve just been running into the wrong ones.

Gale

December 23rd, 2009
11:44 am

Unfortunately, “dirty” materials travel more easily.

Jenifer

December 23rd, 2009
11:45 am

Kamchak,

Spot on for Waycross.