Two long-running wars take a toll on military and their families

More than two dozen officers sat around the conference table and introduced themselves. Most were American, with a smattering of officers from NATO allies; most of the Americans were Army, with a smattering from the Marines and Air Force.

They were all mid-career officers, hand-selected to enroll in a prestigious year-long, strategic-studies program based in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. And as they went around the table, rattling off name, rank and a brief bio, I was struck by the number of deployments each had seen.

“Three tours in Afghanistan, one in Iraq.”

“Two tours in Iraq, two in Afghanistan.”

“Four times in Afghanistan, two in Iraq.”

For the past few years, journalists at the AJC have met annually with officers in the Army’s School of Advanced Military Studies for an off-the-record discussion of military-press relations and related topics. When those talks began, most officers had been deployed just two or three times to a war zone.

By now, though, U.S. forces have been fighting in Afghanistan for eight years and in Iraq for more than six years. So it’s only natural that the number of repeat deployments has grown.

Still, the numbers were startling.

Later in the conversation, I asked about the strain of those repeated deployments. The military itself is handling the pressure pretty well, they reported. There’s no sense that the institution is faltering as it did in the last years of the Vietnam era.

That was exactly the kind of answer you would expect from highly motivated professionals who believe in what they’re doing. But as in previous years, a bit of frustration and even resentment also bubbled up.

Even though they themselves may be safely home in the states and will spend the holidays with their families, the officers are in regular contact with colleagues overseas; those dual wars are a constant presence in their lives and those of their families.

And knowing firsthand the intensity, boredom, loneliness and danger of overseas service, they look around and marvel at how easily their fellow Americans go about their daily business with no thought about the sacrifices being made on their behalf.

One officer did note the personal expressions of support that he and others receive when they wear the uniform in a civilian environment. A colleague from a NATO ally piped up, saying that he was astonished to witness that phenomenon. Soldiers in his own country never get that kind of reception, he said.

Nonetheless, they said, the general level of disinterest here —from the media, from politicians and the general public — was a little hard to digest.
That frustration can be particularly strong among family members. A couple of officers noted with regret that their teenaged children had explicitly rejected a military career because they saw little sign that their fathers’ sacrifices were appreciated.

A few days after that discussion, a study by the Rand Corp. was released exploring how repeated deployments affect children in military families. In general, they reported more symptoms of anxiety, more difficulty in school and more behavior problems.

“Longer periods of parental deployment (within the past three years) were linked to greater difficulties in children’s social and emotional functioning, at least based on caregiver reports,” Rand found, recommending that “families may require more assistance in addressing their children’s needs, via school programming, mental health services, or resources that can be used in the home.”

The study was sponsored by the National Military Family Association, a nonprofit founded 40 years ago as the Military Wives Association. The group is rated A-plus by the American Institute of Philanthropy, and provides services and advocacy for military families.

It’s one way to help.

389 comments Add your comment

RB from Gwinnett

December 22nd, 2009
11:40 am

Jay, when they say they’re frustrated with the media not giving them coverage, who do you suppose they’re talking about? Are they talking about Fox News who regularly reports from war zones and gives soldiers the voice they deserve or are they talking about you and your band of merry socialist elites?

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
11:41 am

Obama…atleast come through w/ ONE of your campaign promises and PLEASE bring them home!

Matilda

December 22nd, 2009
11:47 am

God bless the troops and their families. Please give generously to the Ga Vietman Vets Assn (GVVA). They’re working hard to help the families and returning soldiers get through this.

Jenifer

December 22nd, 2009
11:47 am

The old men who send our military to war should be the ones fighting.

Road Scholar

December 22nd, 2009
11:49 am

Is there a web site to be able to send our troops or prayers, gratitude, and words of assurance that their work is appreciated?

Hard Right Hook

December 22nd, 2009
12:02 pm

Our military is 100% voluntary. I think we should adopt the Israeli method; everybody of age does 2 years in a branch of the armed services. Period.

Strain? This is the 65th anniversary of the Germans breaking through the Ardennes. Talk about strain.

I do not need military counsel from Komrad Jay; I doubt he was even a cub scout.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
12:02 pm

Remember always, those of you who advocate war for every world problem like Iran, soldiers are not the only causalties. Their families suffer as bad, if not worse. The Soldier knows what he’s doing over there at every given moment. The Soldiers family can only guess and worry.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm

“I do not need military counsel from Komrad Jay; I doubt he was even a cub scout”.

That is pointless and just plain mean. It adds nothing to this thread.

Rightwing Troll

December 22nd, 2009
12:09 pm

“Our military is 100% voluntary. I think we should adopt the Israeli method; everybody of age does 2 years in a branch of the armed services. Period.”

Except for not everybody of age serves in israel. There is a whole segment of the population that is exempt from compulsory service. The Ultra Orthodox. As a matter of fact they don’t work at all, they study the Torah all thier lives and live off Israeli welfare. Not suprisingly they also are some of the biggest proponents of settlements.

So your tax dollars are going to support them, billions of your tax dollars, every year for Israels “defense”, which allows Israel to pay out the welfare.

How does that make you “conservatives” feel???

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm

Normal – “That is pointless and just plain mean”

Cut ‘em some slack. What else have they got?

100% AMERICAN

December 22nd, 2009
12:12 pm

THE LIBERAL COMMIE ELITISTS AND THERE MIEDIA PALS DON’T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO THANK THESE WARRIORS!!!

YOU CAN RECONGNIZE THEM BY THERE PRIUS’S WITHOUT A YELLOW RIBBON OF SUPPORT FOR THE TROOPS!

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm

“Our military is 100% voluntary. I think we should adopt the Israeli method; everybody of age does 2 years in a branch of the armed services. Period.

(snip)

I do not need military counsel from Komrad Jay; I doubt he was even a cub scout.”

you know, the truly pathetic thing is that you made a good point worth discussing in your first sentence, which was then completely invalidated by your wankerific ad hominem attack on Jay.

GreenJeans

December 22nd, 2009
12:16 pm

Amen. I feel our non-military citizenry has a clean skate…no expectations of sacrifice, just a clinical detachment from the cost and horror that is war.

If our leaders take our contry to “war” then they should exact shared sacrifice in some form from all adult citizens…tax, service, mandatory voluntary support at the VA…there are brilliant minds who can come up with ways to engage all citizens other than “oh lookie…caskets.”

From Jay’s article: “…the general level of disinterest here —from the media, from politicians and the general public — was a little hard to digest.”

Indeed. If it’s a cause worth sending our troops for, it’s worth paying for. In full.

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
12:24 pm

GreenJeans – 12:16.

amen and well said.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
12:34 pm

Grenn Jeans

Here! Here!

Katzenjammer

December 22nd, 2009
12:35 pm

Merry Christmas to our troops and the families who stand and wait during their tours.

It’s a sad, sad day. The Rainman has died. Interestingly, the man who inspired the movie “Rainman” (Dustin Hoffman’s character) apparently had a near-death experience in the weeks before he died. He claims to have counted the number of souls in hell, and insists that they were all conservatives.

The rainman said that the number included all posthumous Republicans, and everyone above the rank of centurian in the Roman Empire. It also included all Hari Krishnas, anyone even remotely associated with Scientology, and all of the Radio City Rockettes.

So it looks like liberal democrats are all saints, just as we figured. Ah, it’s gonna be great, being in heaven, making fun of the devil people, and pretending like we’re going to let them drink the sweat off our balls when they start crying like little girlie-trash about being thirsty in hell.

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
12:36 pm

Katzenjammer – not even remotely amusing.

getalife

December 22nd, 2009
12:42 pm

“I think if they introduced drug testing to the Afghan army we would lose probably three-quarters to maybe 80, 85 percent of the army,” says one U.S. soldier.

One blue dog switched parties and the gop are challenging the mandate saying it is unconstitutional.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
12:43 pm

Katzenjammer

Merry Christmas…

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
12:43 pm

Wow, someone insulted Republicans and actually went too far for Doggone.

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
12:46 pm

Katzenjammer,

Bless your heart….

Merry Christmas(not Xmas, not holidays) and a Happy new Year to all! If I offended anyone by not being pc…o well.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
12:48 pm

Peadawg…and a Happy Mithra to you, too…

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
12:49 pm

some back story on the wars…..

The Man Who Conned The Pentagon
http://www.playboy.com/articles/the-man-who-conned-the-pentagon-dennis-montgomery/index.html

Rachel Maddow has done some good work on this as well….

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
12:53 pm

Peadawg,

And of course, you can show where anyone on this blog has ever been offended by someone wishing everyone a Merry Christmas – why keep perpetrating such nonsense?

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
12:54 pm

“someone insulted Republicans ”

sorry to burst your bubble, but it was using the “Rainman’s” memory to make a stupid joke that I object to.

Bored of Gore'd

December 22nd, 2009
12:54 pm

So the old men who start wars should be fighting them instead of young people? Does that mean the old people who get can sick or retire can pay for themselves instead of young people, as social security makes us do now?

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
12:54 pm

“why keep perpetrating such nonsense?”

Add that to the list of “all they’ve got”

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm

Doggone,

For real.

Innocent Bystander

December 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm

My goodness!

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm

Green Jeans,

I’ll throw in my polite ballet clap to you as well.

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm

I think we should have a war tax on every single purchase we make.

Jenifer

December 22nd, 2009
12:58 pm

Mrs. G,

Rachel Maddow rocks!

Innocent Bystander

December 22nd, 2009
12:59 pm

I second that Bosch. Or take the unemployed and teach them to make the things we need for the military. Kinda like the women of WWII

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:00 pm

Since I hated the cub scouts, enlisting in the armed services was never a contemplation. Armed services is voluntary so 6 tours or 16 tours is no matter. These ladies/gentlemen signed up, and thanks to them for doing so, of their own valition.

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:00 pm

Innocent Bystander,

Or both. :-)

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
1:01 pm

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm
I think we should have a war tax on every single purchase we make.

I wholeheartedly agree…it will get the troops home faster!

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
1:01 pm

I wasn’t trying to “perpetrate” anything. Thanks. I can see we have a Scrooge in the house…Jim Carey played your character very well!!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
1:02 pm

So let’s bomb the savages back to the stone age, er, back to the 9th century, uh, um, whatever, and be done with it.

duh

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:02 pm

“I think we should have a war tax on every single purchase we make.”

We do…its called Federal Income tax. Then there are those of course who pay nothing…the bums who refuse to get a job and the “lowlies” who make so little that our illustrious capitol hill toiletbowl dwellers insist their constituency be allowed to pay nothing.

Innocent Bystander

December 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm

Both would be good!

Hard Right Hook

December 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
12:05 pm
“I do not need military counsel from Komrad Jay; I doubt he was even a cub scout”.

That is pointless and just plain mean. It adds nothing to this thread.

So, it is safe to conclude you take financial advice from your car mechanic, right?

And, I dare conclude, you weren’t a cub scout either.

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:05 pm

Peadawg,

Nope, no Scrooge here – just tired of seeing people spazz over saying or writing “Merry Christmas” is someone not PC.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
1:06 pm

(CBS/AP) Authorities said Monday it appeared actress Brittany Murphy died of natural causes after becoming ill with flulike symptoms in the days before she collapsed in the bathroom of her Hollywood Hills home.

Snuffed!

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
1:07 pm

No, Outhouse…a war tax on top of the income tax. feel the pain, make a sacrifice, what’s one six pack less in the major scheme of things…

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
1:07 pm

ATLANTA — Karen Handel announced Tuesday she is stepping down as Secretary of State to concentrate on her run for governor.

Maybe the new Repug will investigate ACORN.

duh

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm

Outhouse,

I think it should be a separate tax – for every thing we buy from gas to a stick of gum – that way everyone owns a piece of it and has to think about it every time we buy something – everybody – and of course, it doesn’t add to the deficit or we have to borrow from China to do it – If it’s so important to our country and to our safety then we all need to pay. Us, not China.

Mr Right

December 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm

Rachel Maddow has done some good work on this as well….

She’s a joke mostly, who can believe anything she says, she’s so biased. She is a couple of notches above Olberman though.

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm

“We do…its called Federal Income tax”

we have an income tax on purchases??? wow. that’ll be news to the IRS

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
1:09 pm

And, I dare conclude, you weren’t a cub scout either.

And I dare say your right hook ain’t that hard…

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:09 pm

We have the Federal Income tax to handle the cost of things. If the govt wasnt chock full of employee pilferage incidents, fraud and stupidity there would probably be enough $$$ for a tax cut.

Scout

December 22nd, 2009
1:10 pm

One Word:

DRAFT !

That will do two things:

1) Share the load ………….
2) If it really ain’t worth it, we won’t be there long …………..

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm

Outhouse,

I don’t think there should be a line item in the federal budget for “war” or “wars.”

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm

I was asked to leave the cub scouts and that was just fine…”hated it”.

“And I dare say your right hook ain’t that hard” and on that note you would again be wrong.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:12 pm

There will be NO DRAFT and not War surtax/charge etc.

NEXT!!

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:15 pm

Scout,

No, I don’t think we need a draft – as my military friends have told me – you don’t want people fighting who didn’t sign up to be there, or better, not equipped to handle the military for whatever reason. Didn’t work out well in Vietnam so I heard.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:16 pm

Here might be an acceptable option to the draft. First of all round up all the lazy bums ie homeless and put a rifle in they hand and uniform on they back.

Send them to Iraq, Afghanistan or whereever and use them to draw out the enemy so our voluntary army might slaughter those that mean to harm us.

Kinda killing two birds with one stone.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:17 pm

Or perhaps have Obobo give another one of his grandiose speeches and our enemies might just lay down their arms and leave the battlefield.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
1:17 pm

Mr Right

Prove her wrong.

Jefferson

December 22nd, 2009
1:18 pm

Start the draft and the protests will skyrocket. Bring them home now, all of the troops, their blood is not worth those buttholes over there. Don’t let none of those people in the USA for 20 years, none nada, if they don’t like it tough… remember 911. Cruise missles and air strikes. is how to fight. Light em’ up. Guard the borders.

Scout

December 22nd, 2009
1:19 pm

Dear Bosch:

It worked out fine in Vietnam ……… we never lost a physical battle ……… only the political one.

By the way, the draft rate in Vietnam was 25%.
In World War II it was 66% and guess what ………. we did pretty good if you remember your history.

You draft enough guys ……… you find the kind who will fight and the rest you put in the motor pool.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
1:20 pm

Turd….are you outhouse and hard right hook?

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:11 pm
I was asked to leave the cub scouts and that was just fine…”hated it”.

“And I dare say your right hook ain’t that hard” and on that note you would again be wrong.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm

“By the way, the draft rate in Vietnam was 25%.
In World War II it was 66% and guess what ………. we did pretty good if you remember your history.”

The draft was probably a good and accepted thing then came along those unpatriotic, draft dodging long haired pot smoking hippies.

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
1:23 pm

“just tired of seeing people spazz over saying or writing “Merry Christmas” is someone not PC”

I agree with you on that one!!!!!!

Kartman

December 22nd, 2009
1:23 pm

“Damn Hippies!”

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:23 pm

Dick Cheney and Saxby Chambliss were long haired hippies? Learn something new every day, huh?

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:24 pm

I am that I am.

Bosch

December 22nd, 2009
1:24 pm

Peadawg,

“I agree with you on that one!!!!!!”

Then why do you keep doing it?

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
1:27 pm

After a recent episode of “Lie to me”, which I am pretty sure was not complete fiction, I feel really bad for soldiers in Afghanistan for Christmas. Winter there is very hard and there are few comfortable posts.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
1:29 pm

Dick Cheney is a REAL AMERCIAN, unlike these captiol hill panzeys flailing about over the cost of tea in china.

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
1:32 pm

Why do I keep doing what? I’m confused on what I did…..I was making fun of people who get mad at that stuff and telling them to get over it.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
1:34 pm

Bosch, I think the draft worked. There were just too many deferments.
Someone earlier said use the Israeli model and I think that’s good. Just out of High School, around age 18 to 20, serve for two years for the service that needs you the most or serve as a volunteer for four years in the service of YOUR choice. As payment for that service, a books and tuition paid college education at a community college in your home state.

The Damicles Sword of the Draft, kept me striving for college, and when I dropped out, I ran screaming for the Navy. Got my old G.I. Bill education too. The problem with the draft in the Viet Nam era, wasn’t
the Draft itself,(other than the deferments for rich sons), it was the war. If the deferments were kept to a minumum, it would be good and with their sons and daughters subject to whatever war our country got in to, more parents would pay attention to what’s going on.

Utopia

December 22nd, 2009
1:40 pm

Fresh Aaron Burr reference, Jay! Funny! Luchovich would say that Aaron Burr is a better VP than Cheney because Burr didn’t ask his gunshot victim for an apology after he shot him.

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
1:51 pm

I agree Normal. The only way I could approve a draft is the Israeli model. If everyone serves, there is no feeling that the ones who got swept up got a raw deal. There would be more an attitude of all being in it together. In fact, war or peace, I’ve advocated this approach for a long time. I believe we would have a much better citizenry.

Scout

December 22nd, 2009
1:54 pm

To “Outhouse Go Kart”:

Well, let me tell you in 1966 when I enlisted in the Marines, they put ten draftees in with us that morning who thought they were going into the Army. Boy were they “surprised”. Most of them were pot-smoking hyppie-dippies ……….. but you would be surprised at what 12 weeks of USMC bootcamp will do to a person. I served with them in combat and you couldn’t tell one from the other.

That’s why in general terms THE DRAFT WORKS !

Call it like it is.

December 22nd, 2009
2:02 pm

I am confused, Jay actually spends the time to tell us about our military and what they are going through, and first thing that comes out of most of your mouths, is LETS HAVE A TAX for them.

What kind of sickness do you have, where you think the answer always lies in taking money from the working man and giving it to the goverment? And I have yet to hear where our armies are hurting for money, supplies or anything else for the matter. It appears all they want is support from their country and not to be forgotten.

Some of you say the “TAX” will help us to remember them. I for one do not need a tax to help me remember those men and women who fight to keep us safe, its a pity you feel that you do.

@@

December 22nd, 2009
2:02 pm

jay, I think the same could apply to the majority of children being raised in single-family homes. In homes where your half-siblings are scattered about in the same neighborhood. Where divorce rules, but hard work doesn’t. Even in those homes where there’s constant bickering, which leaves the children to ask….who’s raising whom in this household?

It’s a societal problem…not one that can be exclusive to military families.

God love ‘em all. Regardless of the message we send ‘em…..they are NOT expendable. They matter most of all.

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
2:09 pm

“I for one do not need a tax to help me remember those men and women who fight to keep us safe, its a pity you feel that you do.”

Right. What we need a tax for is to PAY THEM and SUPPORT THEM. “GO OUT AND SHOP” ain’t doin’ it.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
2:12 pm

It just shows that Americans are self-centered and if it does not directly effect them, then they don’t care. Not all, but many from the left look down upon the military. They see them as violent or uneducated. The last place I expect to see support from is the left.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
2:16 pm

Any day on the news…

10 second spot – “3 troops were killed today…”
20 minute spot – “Tiger fooled around…..”

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
2:16 pm

“What we need a tax for is to PAY THEM and SUPPORT THEM.”

We already have that…its called The Federal Inome tax.

NEXT!

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm

“We already have that…its called The Federal Inome tax. ”

Which is why we had to borrow so much money from China to pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Income tax isn’t enough. We need a war tax. War should HURT everyone, not just the soldiers.

Utopia

December 22nd, 2009
2:26 pm

Questioning your opponent’s patriotism has been banned from debate for over a generation. It doesn’t serve credibility for anyone.

I’ve recently taken up golf, and I run across conservatives all afternoon long who cant help themselves from telling n-word jokes about Obama in between their slices and hooks. Although it’s abhorent to me, I stay quiet, because the alternative is to ruin my set of clubs over their skulls, and I want them to believe my handicap.

I can’t believe how much fun golf is. I also cant believe how crude successful men can be, and it would be very easy to question their patriotism. Obama is our commander in chief. However, if they salute the same flag as me, they’re in my foursome.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
2:28 pm

That is funny. I have never heard a racial joke about Obama.

Matilda

December 22nd, 2009
2:30 pm

Yes, let’s have a WAR tax — with my super-wealthy Congressman in the highest bracket. Where’s the SHAME? Every day paying lip service to “fiscal responsibility” and “support the troops” yet decrying taxes as the great evil. Nary a mention of all the money the Republican adminstration borrowed from nations that hate us while giving tax breaks to a small handful of Americans in the name of “freedom.” Oh, but geebuss help us if we should try to re-work a broken health care system so a poor kid can go to the doctor when he has an ear infection, instead of waiting for his little eardrum to explode in the middle of the night. For THAT we must hang on stubbornly to our hard-inherited dimes, lest they actually do some good in the world. Shame.

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
2:31 pm

I think our troops are paid and have plenty of support. But eight years of war is wearing out people and equipment. There is a big cost, billions, and the sooner we begin paying for the billions we’ve spent there, the better we will be.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
2:33 pm

“We need a war tax”. No…we do not.

You are just parroting your silly heroic types…those being Charlie “Crook” Rangle and others of his drunken ilk.

Why not a tax for women who wear red thongs on Wednesday.
Why not a tax for transvestites who wear 5 inch heals during sex.
Why not a tax for your local grocer should he sell persimmons on Sunday.
Why not a tax for stupid ideas like taxing the public to support the military.

Truth is you are just a peacemonger and use this “tax” platform as your personal protest against War.

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
2:33 pm

Matilda, two words: single payer.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
2:34 pm

Yes, our troops are paid very well. The ones who go to the sandbox make good money. Go to Ft. Lewis sometime and look at the cars a lot of our soldiers drive.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm

The Transvestite tax would be a hate tax.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
2:35 pm

Perhaps if persons didnt have children they couldnt afford then little johnny or maleeka wouldnt have to suffer an ear infection as they would never have been born.

Ya…condoms or the pill cost much less than raising a child until its 18 or in jail, whichever comes first.

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
2:37 pm

I didn’t say they were paid very well. However, I will say that enlisted servicemembers make a big mistake if they get married and try to support a family on what they earn. They need to look real hard at the whole picture. It’s one thing for career military to have a family, quite another for anyone under E5. They don’t make enough money and they have very little control over their lives.

Matilda

December 22nd, 2009
2:40 pm

“Why not a tax for women who wear red thongs on Wednesday.”

If these women are leaving their homes, families, careers, and relative safety to travel to HECK-HOLES on the other side of the planet to risk their lives wearing these red thongs FOR YOUR BENEFIT (assuming you are indeed an American, although I have my doubts), and your tax dollars are paying for this because the commander in chief and all the generals believe it’s necessary for your well-being, then we should:
(a) enact taxes to pay for this necessity, or
(b) borrow billion$ from China at a high interests rate to pay for it.

Which does the mobile doodie receptacle prefer?

Sam

December 22nd, 2009
2:42 pm

i have an idea, how about a tax for a-hole’s on the ajc.com message board? now there is a money maker…

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
2:42 pm

If our military is so well supported, then why did family members have to put out pleas for donations to buy them body armor and vehicle armor? Doesn’t sound very “well supported” to ME.

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
2:44 pm

” I will say that enlisted servicemembers make a big mistake if they get married ”

It sounds like you’re advocating for the military to only accept volunteers that are not married, and to ban marriage after they enlist.

Taxpayer

December 22nd, 2009
2:44 pm

We have separate taxes withheld for Social Security and Medicare. We should do the same for the entire DoD budget except that it should be a progressive tax that extends up the line to the highest paid and most wealthy and with the highest paid and most wealthy forking out the most with no exemptions. Call it an insurance premium that is adjusted based on the amount of wealth and income that is being protected. Further, you are exempt from paying any tax for as long as you are serving active duty in a war zone where your azz is subject to being blown off at any time.

Sam

December 22nd, 2009
2:44 pm

our troops get paid well…what? now there’s a guy who definitely never served…of course these days they do get ‘bribe’ bonus’ to re-enlist..

Jenifer

December 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm

Single payer health insurance now!

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
2:51 pm

” I will say that enlisted servicemembers make a big mistake if they get married ”

Doggone, Back during the Viet Nam dust up, I had to ask permission to get married. Filled out a Request Chit and sent it up the chain. My Chief Petty Officer was the first to sign and he disapproved it. The reason he gave was, (I remember it to this day)”If the Navy wanted him to be married, it would have issued him a wife in boot camp”.

Fortunately, the rest of the chain approved it and I married my little California Hippie girl.

Sam

December 22nd, 2009
2:53 pm

man i love hippie chicks, especially the ones in california.