Ladies and gentlemen, the Conservative of the Year

cheney

Or so says Human Events, in a paean penned by John Bolton:

“Cheney’s unwillingness to be deterred by the media assaults on his character, his judgment and his performance in office are therefore his most impressive force multiplier with the general public. Outside-the-Beltway Americans see him for exactly what he is: a very experienced, very dedicated patriot, giving his fellow citizens his best analysis on how to keep them and their country safe.

Cheney’s quiet, inner-directed motivation is simply impervious to the attacks orchestrated against him by the Chicago machine-style politicians at the White House, a fact also plainly visible to his fellow citizens. And it is yet another important reason to have confidence that Cheney’s solid policy analysis will yet prevail in the national political arena. Of course he is the conservative of the year!”

Of course, it’s easy to make fun of the selection of a discredited, destructive former vice president who by his second term was largely frozen out of decision-making by his own boss as “Conservative of the Year.” They named a guy who — even with such competition as Spiro Agnew, Andrew Johnson and Aaron Burr — easily ranks as “Worst Vice President Ever?” (Burr, for all his faults, was at least a better shot than Cheney. Ask Alexander Hamilton.)

The problem is: Who would be better? If you had to name a “Conservative of the Year”, who would be a better choice? Personally, I think Human Events got it right: Dick Cheney — out of power, out of touch and deeply resentful — indeed epitomizes the conservative movement in 2009.

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larry

December 22nd, 2009
7:08 am

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
7:11 am

“out of power, out of touch and deeply resentful — indeed epitomizes the conservative movement in 2009.”

Love it!

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:14 am

Mornin’.

Or so says Human Events,

Jay oughta get combat pay for reading that stuff.

larry

December 22nd, 2009
7:15 am

I think my outragous congressman, Paul Broun , would have been a good choice or Michelle Bachman but the choice of Cheney echoes what the Republicans are. Loud , cranky, having old ideas, and just not revelent.

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:16 am

a discredited, destructive former vice president who by his second term was largely frozen out of decision-making by his own boss

That’ll look nice on his tombstone.

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
7:18 am

Michelle Bachmann for sheer entertainment value!

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
7:18 am

dB – hey my friend – haven’t seen you in AGES!!!

as for cheney’s tombstone, I’d just settle for “good riddance”

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:20 am

If you had to name a “Conservative of the Year”, who would be a better choice?

Well, come on, Jay. Obviously it’d be Bible Spice, who is bumbling, naive, simple-minded, incapable of considering alternative views and concocting something resembling an ideology of her own, reacting instead to whatever shiny objects happen to pass in front of her by more skillful rhetoricians. I can think of nothing that better typifies what’s become of self-identifying “conservatives” today; for intelligent people, this state of affairs represents both an opportunity to enlighten those who really ought to know better, and a challenge to those who are incapable of doing so.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
7:22 am

Cheney won the war in Iraq and the liberals will never forgive him for it.

Plus they are paranoid delusionals, which doesn’t help things.

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:23 am

dB – hey my friend – haven’t seen you in AGES!!!

Back atcha. Morning amateur punditry time has been in short supply the past few weeks.

GoingBroke

December 22nd, 2009
7:23 am

I am thinking Joe Wilson.. He called Obama a liar..and he was RIGHT.. so that should count towards the award.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:24 am

Geez Jay, I get up this morning, having to go to work, It’s cold and my truck heater has stopped working. Did I mention I had left my gloves at work? I spill my coffee, the only thing warm in my truck, because some idiot wants my lane. I get in to work and accidently trip the alarm, have to run through the warehouse where the alarm panal is, then make some coffee. I turn on my computer and go to your blog after writing my “love letters” to Nancy and Harry. Did I mention the warehouse feels like a refrigerator? I turn to your blog and I spill my coffee again because you have a big picture of Cheney scaring the s**t out of me!!! AND A HAPPY MORNING TO YOU, TOO!!!

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
7:24 am

“Cheney won the war in Iraq and the liberals will never forgive him for it.”

hahahaha … Cheney’s never seen combat – remember? he had “better things to do” at the time …

and, last time I checked, the VP isn’t the Commander in Chief

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:25 am

I swear, talk about your nightmare before Christmas. He should have been a mirror tester…

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
7:25 am

Normal – don’t put up any wreaths in your warehouse today!

GOP is Gone

December 22nd, 2009
7:26 am

How ironic to have this dither penned by none other than John Bolton, the worst UN diplomat ever.

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:29 am

I am thinking Joe Wilson..

Huh?

He called Obama a liar..and he was RIGHT..

Oh, THAT Joe Wilson. Heh. Talk about your obscure footnotes-to-history.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:29 am

Doggone, don’t worry. I’m so full of Chistmas Spirit right now, I could just s**t.

larry

December 22nd, 2009
7:36 am

Glenn Richardson might be a good choice.

larry

December 22nd, 2009
7:38 am

And as far as winning the war in Iraq, arent we still fighting it ? And where is OBL ?

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
7:39 am

what about Mark Sanford for his contributions to the promotion of the Appalachian Trail?

Jenifer

December 22nd, 2009
7:39 am

Hmmmm, no conservatives currently holding office are deserving?

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:43 am

I wonder if Cheney wrote the “paean” and just had Bolton sign it and read it…That’s what he did with Bush.

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:43 am

my truck heater has stopped working.

Why’s that? Do you know?

Reason I ask is, I had a coolant leak that I didn’t diagnose properly until I realized that it wasn’t getting to the heater core. Might be that short-term all you gotta do is refill the reservoir… beats driving all bundled up in the am.

larry

December 22nd, 2009
7:43 am

what about Mark Sanford for his contributions to the promotion of the Appalachian Trail?

oh yeah, i almost forgot about him. He is probably HIker magazine’s Man of the Year.

larry

December 22nd, 2009
7:46 am

How about all of the Republicans in the state legislature who voted to raise our property taxes earlier this year by ending the governor’s exemption?

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:46 am

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
7:43 am

My heater coil is leaking. It’s hard to get to, so I’ll just have to suffer until I can get it fixed. I’d keep the reservoir filled like you say but the leakage runs into the cab…

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:47 am

Why not Condi? Where has she gone, anyway?

Mr. Snarky

December 22nd, 2009
7:48 am

Jay, you nailed it…he was a reactionary who had power, abused it to the max, put us in a big s$%thole, lost power and now is pi$$ed. How about Conservative of the Decade too? Or would that be Tom Delay (now the fancy dancer)?

Peadawg

December 22nd, 2009
7:50 am

“out of power”

Not for long. Hopefully in 2010 the Republicans will control the Senate and the who checks-and-balances idea will be back in place like it should be! NEVER should both parties control the Senate AND the Presidency.

Jenifer

December 22nd, 2009
7:52 am

In related news, Satan picks Dick Cheney as Man Of The Decade.

http://jdrourke.wordpress.com/2009/08/26/dear-dick-cheney/

Taxpayer

December 22nd, 2009
7:52 am

What does it mean to be a “conservative”? At one time, I thought I knew. Anyway, I do know what I do not want to ever be or become and Dick Cheney surely is the epitome of that “person”. What do I want for Christmas… I want to never see that face staring back at me in the mirror.

Anyway, to say that the conservative party has an image problem is an understatement. What they suffer from at the moment is the lack of a movement and a good constitutional would do them wonders. On the brighter side, it would also do wonders for the plunger business. Liquid Plumber and Roto-Rooter sales would skyrocket as well. Think of all the good to the economy and that is no laffing matter.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
7:54 am

The deafening silence of the stooge state run media continues-

But the White House is also still pleading for talks even as its December deadline passes without any concession from Tehran. Meantime, the Iranian opposition virtually begs Washington not to confer any legitimacy on the regime, and the democracy demonstrators crave American support. Iran’s civil society clock may now be ticking faster than its nuclear clock. However hard it may be to achieve, a new regime in Tehran offers the best peaceful way to halt Iran’s atomic program. Shouldn’t American policy be directed toward realizing that goal?-WSJ

What, if you need another cute young girl to get murdered by the Iranian thugocracy so you can pay attention, it has already happened.

Several times.

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
7:58 am

Jennifer, that was so good!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
7:59 am

Actually, I think Obozo is the Conservative of the year, no one in recent history has done more for the movement than this clown has-

Here the signs should be less reassuring to Democrats. As polls have consistently shown, the more Americans learn about Democratic plans for health care, the more the opposition grows. Mr. Reid appreciates this dynamic, which is why he wrote his bill behind closed doors, when only Santa could have any real idea of who’s earning a place on the naughty list.-WSJ

Bring it on!

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
8:00 am

Cheney, seriously? Even after he expressed approval of his lesbian daughter? Wonders never cease.

Since I missed last night’s topic; in case anyone was wondering, if you have a few extra bucks you are wanting to throw at some charity, buy me a goat at heifer.com in Cheney’s honor and send it somewhere needy.

Monica

December 22nd, 2009
8:01 am

Hey USinUK! How’s it going? I never read the Bookman blog but stumbled on it this am.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
8:04 am

Thank you, Jay.

hanz

December 22nd, 2009
8:05 am

conservative = low taxes small government socially oblivious christian tithing preemptive striking nation building defense-contracting liberal-hating business accomodating…..etc

Cheney deserves the Award. He believes so much in Conservatism that he was willing to scare the bejesus out of us all with parting shots about an imminent 911 sequel. Cheney is like the Captain of the Titanic bitterly warning the survivors, as he went down, that the food on the rescue-ship Carpathian was lousy and probably would give them food poisoning.

Cheney. I could write a book, but I think Shakespeare’s got him covered.

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
8:06 am

hey Monica! come on in, the water’s fine!!!

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
8:12 am

“Cheney. I could write a book, but I think Shakespeare’s got him covered.”

cheney’d have to nice-up to play Iago

jopar

December 22nd, 2009
8:16 am

“Bible Spice”, I wish I’d thought of that.
I’m liberal to the core but get nervous when there isn’t a responsible opposition to our “collective liberalism”.We get carried away just like normal people.
Conservatives need to step back and define what they believe in, or more importantly,what they’re against, since “everything” isn’t quite specific enough.

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
8:17 am

the leakage runs into the cab…

ew. And I thought I had it bad when I could detect a faint whiff of coolant when running the heater.

Bob

December 22nd, 2009
8:17 am

USinUK, I think maybe Bachmann would deserve an award for citizen of the year, from what I have read, she and her husband have taken in over twenty foster kids while she worked in congress and he ran a small business. We need more Bachmanns, It was a strain on my wife and I just being volunteers for project literacy. We need more do as I do, like Bachmann, instead of do as I say, like any politician that chooses not to pay taxes. Geithner, Dachsale, Rangel.

Robert

December 22nd, 2009
8:17 am

Ok, you have your picture of Cheney. Well, here’s someone that I can hope to never see again.

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/al-gore-global-warming-328242.jpg

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
8:19 am

“Bible Spice”, I wish I’d thought of that.

Well, I certainly didn’t. But I actually think it’s a tad more respectful than “Caribou Barbie”.

Say what you will of the Spice Girls, but at least they were/are actual human beings with some modicum of entertainment value and talent. (One imagines. I think i’ve seen/heard just that one hit of theirs performed…)

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
8:20 am

The alternative is supply-side economics, which, for all the invective heaped upon it, boils down to the inescapable fact that “consumption must be paid for with production”—that if you don’t work (i.e., produce) you die (i.e., can’t consume). The obviousness of this is so manifest that the real wonder is how it has escaped the grasp of otherwise intellectually competent people.-WSJ

Well, let’s see, if the supposed “intellectually competent” people are actually parasites hellbent on destroying their host organism, the hated United States of America, then they make up all kinds of non problems that they can “fix” by draining the life/money out us, such as, oh, I don’t know, health “care,” global “warming,” immigration, “affordable” mortgages………

Unless you do hate this great nation, people, it’s time to wake up.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
8:20 am

Actually, I do have some nominations…..see I remember real conservatism and love me some conservatives.

1. My Uncle Billy

2. Andrew Sullivan

3. Rep Jim Campbell

4. Charles Johnson

Normal

December 22nd, 2009
8:21 am

Paul

December 22nd, 2009
8:25 am

Jay

Three little words: “let it go.”

You’ll feel better.

Bosch is gonna regret not being here. I understand he’s spending all his time hauling more printer paper for the House’s ethics investigation of Charlie Rangel -

USinUK

December 22nd, 2009
8:28 am

bob – good for her for fostering … she’s still a nutter who thinks there should be investigations into congressmen who are “anti-american”

(oh, and since church membership is so important – she also a member of a church that teaches that the pope is the anti-christ)

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
8:29 am

Mrs. G @ 8.20, I had missed that business about Rep. Jim Campbell.

In case anyone else was wondering why he (mighta? not assuming anything) made your list…

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Maine_Republican_leaves_party_over_health_care.html?showall

Sunshine and Thunder

December 22nd, 2009
8:31 am

Well, here we go again. Cheney is a big bad wolf according to the left nuts, but I don’t see anything in Jay’s column specifically pointing out what Cheney did that was so bad. So I read through the entire list of posts and, once again, a lot of bashing but not one specific item to prove what a horrible VP Mr. Cheney was.

Do all of you liberals actually base your opinions of someone on how they wear their hair or something?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
8:32 am

Damn. just went back at looked at last nights thread….
I was elbow deep in the making of mass quantities of sausage balls and missed the party.

@@, Thanks for the gift, I know it was the thought that counts.

Here’s my secret Santa gift to you!

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Flights-g304007-Timbuktu-Cheap_Discount_Airfares.html

Just kidding, I’m past the mean stuff…

If this were an actual Secret Santa I’d send this:

http://www.scalasoriginal.com/specialties.html#

@@, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and Pax!

Paul

December 22nd, 2009
8:33 am

Robert 8:17

Didja know that if you go only about a mile into the earth the temperature is a couple million degrees? That’s million! ’s true. Heard it from our superhero The Flame himself!

Who needs credibility when you have true believers? Or money to invest?

First Sergeant

December 22nd, 2009
8:34 am

Yep Jennifer, that was good!

Paul

December 22nd, 2009
8:35 am

Hi Mrs. Godzilla

Sausage balls? I once heard one never, ever should watch sausage being made.

Now I know why….

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 22nd, 2009
8:36 am

Oh brother. Many hate Cheney because he refuses to bend to this self gratifying media machine and will stand toe to toe with ya then tell ya to kiss his ass.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 22nd, 2009
8:36 am

Morning, everybody. Well, that got that right. I think Cheney ought to hold a raffle and take the winner hunting with him just to show his thanks for getting this great award.

Anyhow, you got to love a man that will tell a librul Democrat Senator to go F___ hisself. If we had more like him up there in D.C., we wouldn’t need no elections. They’d just kill each other and the guvners would keep appointing replacements. I think if Bookman had any decency he’d invite Cheney to be a Ornery Member of this blog. He’d fit right in with the rest of us Conservatives here.

Merry Christmas and have a good day everybody. Oh, and for all the libruls on here go F___ yourselfs.

Jay

December 22nd, 2009
8:36 am

No problem, Reporter. Merry Christmas.

But as to your excerpt from the Wall Street Journal, the one in which they claim that “supply-side economics, which, for all the invective heaped upon it, boils down to the inescapable fact that “consumption must be paid for with production”—that if you don’t work (i.e., produce) you die (i.e., can’t consume).”

That’s a pretty blatant attempt to redefine supply-side economics, because it was always the exact opposite of that. Reagan and his buddies claimed we could CUT taxes, which would magically INCREASE revenue — i.e, that consumption would pay for itself! Such a deal, balance the budget by paying lower taxes?!?! It was a free lunch, and people bought it and still do.

lwwmm7

December 22nd, 2009
8:36 am

There is only one person deserving of this great honor—our one and only Redneck Convert. And that’s the truth. Have a good ‘un everbody.

Corey

December 22nd, 2009
8:38 am

I Report You Whine, stop listening to all those voices in your head telling you how relevant and smart your are.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 22nd, 2009
8:39 am

Paul

I grew up helping the Grannies make sausage….not anywhere near as bad as when the German one made head cheese from scratch…..the whole pigs head in newspaper on the kitchen table just a lookin’ at ya…..eeek

She loved than stuff.

Robert

December 22nd, 2009
8:40 am

Paul,

Yes, so I hear! And how many people still trust this man? His award winning documentary was so one-sided, full of lies and exaggerations that a judge in England said it would breach education rules unless accompanied by a warning. Yet he is treated like God or something. The picture from my link is more accurate though! God never pocketed millions like Gore has!

Southern Comfort

December 22nd, 2009
8:41 am

Since I don’t know any true conervative that appears to want to input anything other than objections to Obama at the current time, I nominate our own Whiner for Conservative of the Year.

If being a Conservative means being very closed-minded or constricting your opinions and views to pinpoint conclusions, I’ve seen no one yet that can touch Whiner. Cheney fell off the ballot once he changed his views on same-sex relationships. That does not match what the conservative mantra reflects.

Our resident conservative Whiner espouses all viewpoints with pinpoint accuracy and the zeal reserved for only the conservativiest of the conservatives!!!!

From yesterday’s post:

Only thing I want for Christmas is enough patience to give to all people here. There seems to be a serious lack of it, and it shows with the mandates posted.

I’d give to everyone a thesaurus. That way, I wouldn’t have to keep seeing moron, idiot, wingnut, moonbat, and the usual adjectives. Maybe in 2010, people will be more creative and use something new, or just refer to people by their screennames.

Paul

December 22nd, 2009
8:41 am

Jay

lwwmm7 got it right. Think about it – you coulda’ killed two birds with one stone (back off, PETA). You’d have Conservative of the Year, plus, his being a beer guy, you’d have irrefutable proof ‘trickle down’ isn’t what most people expect when they buy what he’s offering!

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 22nd, 2009
8:42 am

Easily the greatest vice president in history, the Cheney choice was surely not a difficult choice for Human Events. He was the most visible challenger to the whining lies told this year by our fearful leader, Chauncey Gardener. Sarah Palin had to be a close second, due to the continuing evidence of PDS evidenced by our moonbat friends. Surely we could not have a better pairing in 2012 than Cheney-Palin. Thus my Christmas wish for our friends who inflict Obamacare on us all – may your dreams be visited by the vision of the C-P ticket.

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
8:42 am

I don’t see anything in Jay’s column specifically pointing out what Cheney did that was so bad.

what part of “a discredited, destructive former vice president who by his second term was largely frozen out of decision-making by his own boss” don’t you get?

We don’t have to re-cite his role in the Iraq invasion, we don’t have to re-play the hissy fit he threw when Joseph Wilson published a NYTimes op-ed, etc., every time we mention the guy at this point, for crying out loud.

Ragnar Danneskjöld

December 22nd, 2009
8:46 am

Dear Jay @ 8:36, surely you do not deny that Reagan was able to cut taxes and increase revenue, just as Bush II did in 2002? That is simply the record.

Note, however, the effect of Ms.Pelosi’s simple proclamation of the end to the Bush tax cuts, a subsequent total collapse of tax revenues. Democrat/Keynesian inability to account for dynamic changes in tax rates is the key, and also explains the success of Mr.Laffer’s curve.

Paul

December 22nd, 2009
8:46 am

Mrs. Godzilla

Thanks for clarifying that for me. So, to make sure I got it right, ‘head cheese’ refers to the ingredient, unlike ’sausage balls’ which refers to the way the final product looks.

Got it.

:-)

Robert

He’s fun for laughs, but as is true with so much, people either adore him or don’t trust him and nothing’s gonna change that. I think it has to confusing the message with the messenger. Kinda like my favorite example, he reminds me of those tv evangelists who may get part of the message right, but most of the show is all about ’send me your money!!’

Morning, Southern Comfort

[[If being a Conservative means being very closed-minded or constricting your opinions and views to pinpoint conclusions, I’ve seen no one yet that can touch Whiner.]]

Y’know, I never thought of Al Gore as a Conservative, but you may be on to something there! Thanks for giving me something to look at from a new angle!

Southern Comfort

December 22nd, 2009
8:49 am

Also from last night:

Since Jay said I’d be Wyld Byll’s secret Santa, I’d buy him a calendar to let him know we’re entering 2010. His use of the word coloured is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I’m not particularly offended by it, but it reeks of pure ignorance. I say a prayer for him every time I see it on this board.

@@

December 22nd, 2009
8:51 am

“Cheney’s unwillingness to be deterred by the media assaults on his character, his judgment and his performance in office are therefore his most impressive force multiplier with the general public.

You call it resentful, jay? I call it strength in the face of adversity.

So…..when President Obama goes snipe hunting for those who refuse to sing his (Obama’s) praises…..what’dya call that? Resentful, perhaps?

A strong leader, leads. A weak leader follows.

I adore Dick Cheney. It can’t be said enough…when it comes to Iran, Bush should’a listened to THE MAN.

Southern Comfort

December 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

Paul

When I see the terms Conservative and Liberal, that’s how I define them. To conserve basically is to restrict or keep close, and to liberate is to give freely or be open. That kinda puts a different twist on those terms as opposed to being left or right.

Jay

December 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

Surely I do deny that, Ragnar.

If it were true, Reagan would not have felt forced to sign three major tax INCREASES later in his presidency to help repair the damage he had done.

If it were true, the tax cuts pushed by Bush II would have INCREASED the budget surplus he inherited instead of driving the budget deep into deficit, which is what happened.

If it were true, Bush himself would not have been forced to sunset his taxcuts in 2010 in order to disguise their real impact on the national debt. His tax cuts are ending by HIS choice.

Tom Turner

December 22nd, 2009
8:53 am

Ladies and gentlemen, the Line of the Day goes to…JAAAAY BOOKMAN!!!
for “Burr, for all his faults, was at least a better shot than Cheney. Ask Alexander Hamilton.” (Thank You! I really needed that.)

stands for decibels

December 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

Southern Comfort, I take only one serious issue with your otherwise (typically) excellent post @ 8.41:

“Cheney fell off the ballot once he changed his views on same-sex relationships.”

Well no, he didn’t change them–they were more or less in keeping with what he’d said during a 2000 debate where he’d said he’d favor (my recollection) “some sort of civil unions” for gay couples. That was fairly out there for a national-level Republican at the time, although it seemed to attract little interest.

So I don’t see that he really changed his views much at all.

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

“for “Burr, for all his faults, was at least a better shot than Cheney. Ask Alexander Hamilton.” (Thank You! I really needed that.)”

yep! And not only that, when you’re a bad shot with a shotgun…you’re a REALLY bad shot!

Jimmy62

December 22nd, 2009
8:56 am

You believe my policies ae harsh, greedy and lack compassion, I beleive yours are misguided. In your view, because I want to cut welfare and entitlements and shrink government, I’m cruel and mean and lack compassion. In my view, your policies will lead to permanent minimum 25% of the population being on the dole with little help of improving their lot in life, while my policies will seem harsh in the short term, but lead to much lower poverty rates, 5% or so, such an amount that can be helped out through private charity, not through the force of guns. So I wonder why liberals want to make/keep so many people poor and on the dole. Are they really so misguided and misunderstanding of economics and incentives, or do they just want as many people as possible to be poor and on the dole, and thus dependent on government and controlled by government?

What I do know is I am generally conservative, and I do care and I do want society to be better, I don’t like poverty and wish that our society would fix our incentive system so that more people can bring themselves out of poverty. Right now all we do is remove incentive after incentive to actually working hard, educating oneself, and bettering one’s lot in life.

Curious Observer

December 22nd, 2009
8:58 am

. . .surely you do not deny that Reagan was able to cut taxes and increase revenue, just as Bush II did in 2002?

Go look at the federal revenue impact of the tax cuts, Ragnar. For every $100 the federal government cut in taxes each year revenue increased by $5. Tell you what, just give me a few hundred bucks and I’ll give you back five bucks for each hundred you give me. Deal?

Gale

December 22nd, 2009
9:00 am

As was said above, I want conservatives to explain what they are ‘for’. It wears on one to hear only two divisive issues and a multitudes of complaints about the evils of liberals. If there are really good things about being conservative, what are they?

Donovan

December 22nd, 2009
9:01 am

History will judge Cheney as one of the most effective people in Washington politics. His behind the scenes work was masterful. His insight on domestic and foreign policy was right on. Dick was feared by his enemies because he knew their weaknesses and their strengths. Liberals just can’t lay off of the guy. Whenever liberals feel threatened and exposed they always attack the threat with character assassination. I love this man for his convictions and his resolve in the face of adversity. Such character is lacking in ideological make-up of a liberal.

Liar

December 22nd, 2009
9:02 am

To achieve health care reform, “I’m going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We’ll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they’ll get a seat at the table, they just won’t be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process.”

Sources: PresBo — Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.

Taxpayer

December 22nd, 2009
9:03 am

I certainly get a good laff from people that think that tax revenues increase as taxes are continuously cut. Of course, I’m laffing at these people with such unfounded beliefs, not with them.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 22nd, 2009
9:04 am

Jay- I see it as two entirely different issues.

The Journal’s take on supply side economics is the singular statement that work/ production creates wealth, which as they rightly point out, should be obvious. For example, when oil is pumped out of the ground in Alaska, a product is created which not only pays the wages of the one who produced but also has a separate value that is gained by the one who purchased it. They can use that oil to produce more oil. The effort to produce and the value derived are both maximized, thus you have positive economic growth.

The redistribution of wealth as a means to generate wealth has to take something of value from somebody and give it to someone else, without reimbursing the labor that was expended to produce what was taken. It is negative growth, you cannot see it any other way.

Taxes are drag on economic activity, with some narrow exceptions. Without the military, we would be swarmed with savages and no economic activity could take place, ditto law enforcement and many other examples.

But, the lower the taxes, the more people keep, the more they have resources to expand economic activity. Kennedy cut taxes and got increased revenues, Reagan and Bush did too and got the same results. But it is by no means a magic bullet and politicians of all stripes have been known to exaggerate, our current president’s picture is in the dictionary under the definition of that word.

Still, it is the best alternative, by far.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
9:07 am

Cheney is a true Patriot. Although he did not always make the right or most popular choice, he stood behind and still stands behind his actions. He did what he thought was best for this country as a whole (not just one race, one party, or one group of people). He was a part of making tough choices that he felt were necessary to protect our country. Yet, you condemn him for standing up for himself? You condemn conservatives for standing up for our beliefs? You call us small minded based on stereotypes? I thought liberals were for free speech. I get it. You are, as long as it is liberal free speech.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
9:08 am

Yep Jay, tax cuts do nothing to help the economy. Then why won’t the Dems raise taxes during a recession?

Robert

December 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

At least Cheney spoke his mind, stuck to his beliefs and never wavered based on the audience he is speaking from a telepromter to.

kayaker 71

December 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

Bookman,

How do you balance your budget at home? By upping the balance on your credit cards? How about buying a house you can’t afford? Are you teaching your kids to spend their way out of debt?
You balance your budget by spending less, cutting out things that you cannot afford and teaching that to future generations so that they don’t suffer the same problems that you have.
Our Congress spends money faster than we can make it. We are working until mid May to pay for their indiscretions and this latest health care bill is a prime example of spending money you just don’t have. It just ain’t rocket science…..

Taxpayer

December 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

Jay

December 22nd, 2009
8:52 am

Also, Jay, if it were true, then surely UBS would have lost the bulk of its US clientele prior to their being all but threatened with jail terms by the IRS, during Obama’s first year in office, of course, for tax evasion that spans Bush’s two terms in office. That Laffer though. The class clown. Always the joker.

Ponder

December 22nd, 2009
9:10 am

Gale at 9:00 am re: I want conservatives to explain what they are ‘for’.

Simpy put — Respect for the Constitution; Respect for Life; Less Government; Personal Responsibility. The last being key, i.e., stop rewarding failure and poor life decisions — the government is NOT responsible for your care and feeding!!!

Doggone/GA

December 22nd, 2009
9:11 am

“I certainly get a good laff from people that think that tax revenues increase as taxes are continuously cut.”

I keep waiting for them to get to the “logical” conclusion that if you eliminate taxes altogether then government income will reach unlimited levels…but they never quite do it.

BMDPD

December 22nd, 2009
9:11 am

Also, you don’t really want to know what this conservative thinks. You will only end up calling me ignorant and small minded.

Jake

December 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

Naming Cheney conservative of the year is kind of like giving Obama the Nobel Peace Prize.

jconservative

December 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

Only a fool would call the Vice President of the most liberal administration since the Lyndon Johnson’s a conservative.
That is a real insult to anyone who is, in fact, a conservative.

Who runs this “Human Events” group, Bernie Sanders?

Call it like it is.

December 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

Wow, you can tell someone is already in Holiday mode, The last 2 blogs have been such plethora of great information. A secret Santa list with Jay’s favorite butt kissers leading the way, now a hit on the ex VP, who’s only real crime is that he wants to keep America safe and has issues with the current administration. Of course if you look at the recent polls it appears that more and more Americans are feeling the same way.

But hey you got a lot to be proud of. Your winning and getting your wish. Taxes are going up, the bribes have gone out, the government is taking from those who are working and taking care of business and giving to those who don’t. Gitmo is closing and Obama is spending millions of dollars for a prison in his own backyard. Sending more troops to the hell hole………Its just a wonderful time, but yes lets pick on the ex VP.

Since most of your readers seemed more concern over sausage ball recipes, maybe you should do a blog on favorite holiday deserts tomorrow.

Peter

December 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

What a bunch of baloney written here………”Cheney won the war in Iraq and the liberals will never forgive him for it.”

Wow then why are we still in Iraq ?

I guess they meant to say…Cheney Made Up the WAR in Iraq !

Southern Comfort

December 22nd, 2009
9:12 am

sfd

I didn’t recall Cheney saying that in 2000. I stand corrected, but I’m still behind my choice 100%.

Robert

December 22nd, 2009
9:13 am

If Cheney is so “evil”, then why has he given a majority of his income away to charities? Doesn’t sound so evil to me. How many millionaire Democrats in higher office can say the same?

Paul

December 22nd, 2009
9:14 am

Southern Comfort

[[To conserve basically is to restrict or keep close, and to liberate is to give freely or be open.]]

Like I said, it appears Al Gore is a Conservative with a capital ‘C’!

Jay,

I did not offer an opinion on your thread. Sorry.

Looking for something good to say, (@@, I was thinking about this before I read your post, so there’s something in the ether) – Cheney stuck to his guns (like the pun?) no matter what. I will not argue that was not necessarily a good thing, taken as it was to such an extreme, but he is a man who stuck to his principles.

Which is something Democrats, especially in the context of health care reform, could take a lesson in. Whether it’s the senator from Nebraska or the senator from Louisiana, or all the others in the Senate and House who stood together and said “You want my support? You don’t want a Democratic filibuster? Show me the money!!!” to such an extent they got billions and billions of dollars and exemptions and carve-outs and exceptions that other Democrats complained (to which the Majority Leader told them, in effect “you don’t like it? You should have asked for some”).

Yup, when it comes to serving based on your principles, Democrats could stand to be a bit more Cheney-esque.

Sunshine and Thunder

December 22nd, 2009
9:15 am

stands for decibels

So what? And your point is? Why is this such a criticism? I thought Bush was a bad guy to all you libs. A hissy fit? SOOOOO?