Health-reform debate pushes Congress further toward a parliamentary system

Tempers are apparently fraying a bit in the Senate chambers, with Democrats and Republicans growing increasingly angry and resentful at each other.

That’s probably a good thing. Maybe it will strip away some of that self-serving baloney about the collegial Senate and esteemed colleagues and the Senate being the world’s greatest deliberative body. Because if it was ever true, it’s not anymore and perhaps never will be again.

For better or worse, the Republicans have forced that change. The modern GOP has adopted a strictly parliamentary approach to important legislation, voting as a bloc and sternly enforcing party discipline to a degree unknown in recent American history. In the House, for example, Republicans voted 176-1 against health-insurance reform. In the Senate, the final vote will be 40-0 against reform. There can be no deliberation or give and take in such an approach; there’s no negotiation or compromise. It is pure power politics, and events of the last few weeks may have finally enlightened congressional Democrats about what that really means.

If so, that enlightenment has been a long time coming. Back in 1993, no Republican in either the House or Senate voted to support a tax-increase package that President Clinton said was needed to cut the deficit and restore fiscal confidence. Republican congressional leaders predicted economic calamity as a result of the tax hike on the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans. Newt Gingrich, to cite just one example, claimed the bill would lead to a recession and increase the deficit.

Instead, the economy took off and the federal budget was balanced a few years later.

Later, House Speaker Dennis Hastert tried to institutionalize that trend. He had a personal rule against allowing a bill to come to the floor unless it had majority support from within the GOP caucus. In other words, a bill that might pass easily thanks to a coalition of GOP and Democratic votes would not be given a chance to pass unless it first drew a majority of Republicans. The GOP caucus in effect became a Congress inside the Congress.

In the Senate, Republicans have forced the same change on their Democratic colleagues. By refusing to negotiate, the GOP in effect took itself out of play in the health-reform debate and forced the Democratic caucus to negotiate only with itself. They succeeded in drawing a stark line between the two parties on the issue, which some will no doubt count as a success. However, the final package is also more liberal than it would have been had conservatives been willing to compromise.

416 comments Add your comment

Normal

December 21st, 2009
12:56 pm

The Republican pParty has become a cult. A cult of what, I’m not sure, but a cult nevertheless…

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
12:59 pm

I’d like to see the Senators mud wrestle each other for each pork item they want to submit.

“In this corner, weighing in at 210, from the great state of…”

Southern Comfort

December 21st, 2009
1:00 pm

Don’t forget the litmus test to get GOP financing…

Sounds like the government of the people, for the people, and by the people is a thing of the past.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:03 pm

Finn

I second that motion!

Kamchak

December 21st, 2009
1:04 pm

The modern GOP has adopted a strictly parliamentary approach to important legislation, voting as a bloc and sternly enforcing party discipline to a degree unknown in recent American history.

Walking in goose-step er.. lock-step fashion…

Jenifer

December 21st, 2009
1:05 pm

Single payer health insurance now!

Jimmy62

December 21st, 2009
1:06 pm

The problem is that any bill that increases government control over my life, for instance one that demands I pay for health insurance that covers abortion, acupuncture, and a whole bunch of other things I don’t want or need, is anathema to anyone who believes in true freedom. And betraying that by voting for this health care monstrosity is not compromise, it’s a betrayal of the principles this country was founded on- freedom, protection of private property, and trade without restriction. So the only people betraying what this country is about are the Democrats.

And shame on Ben Nelson for taking a bribe to change his vote. And shame on the Democrats for givign Nebraska an exemption from some of this nonsense in perpetuity. That’s a deeply cynical and evil way to run a country, playing games with our lives and incomes to get your way.

And this is all despite CBO estimates showing this bill will not save the country money, will not lower the deficit, will not increase access to afforable health care, will lead to increased premium payments, will lead to higher taxes, will lead to rationing of health care by politicians, and basically accomplishes NONE of the things Obama said he was going to do. And while it does little to help us, it vastly increases the power and control that the government has over our lives.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 21st, 2009
1:07 pm

Why would the reps want anything to do with this sham of a bill, this OboboCare debacle.

Gale

December 21st, 2009
1:07 pm

Great image, Finn

Doggone/GA

December 21st, 2009
1:07 pm

What would there have been to compromise on? The R’s had no plan to advance that would have reduced the numbers of uninsured. THAT was the bottom-line end result we need. They got nothing for that.

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:08 pm

The American People aren’t as easily fooded any more and come elections next year, I think it’s the Republican Party who are going to be surprised with the Democracts winning more seats in the Senate and House. The majorities will be so severe that the Republicans will have to join in or learn to knit. I don’t like this blocking of the political process one bit and I hate to think that I would be forced to vote democrat to protect that process.

Jimmy62

December 21st, 2009
1:08 pm

If over half the people polled are staunchly against this bill (and they are), then I guess what the Democrats really favor is Government Forced Upon the People, Against the People’s Wishes, and Not By the People.

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:09 pm

Fooded? Fooled!

Jimmy62

December 21st, 2009
1:09 pm

I wonder where all you critics of obstructionism were when the shoe was on the other foot? Oh, I remember, you were telling your congressmen to obstruct any bills that the Republicans wanted to pass.

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
1:11 pm

Obama’s biggest mistake since taking office has been with his wasted time trying to appease the Party of No. He needs to treat them as the children that they are. Hopefully, he has learned his lesson given their continued childish behavior. Republicans are really a pathetic pack of losers.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 21st, 2009
1:12 pm

The modern GOP has adopted a strictly parliamentary approach to important legislation, voting as a bloc and sternly enforcing party discipline to a degree unknown in recent American history

Blah, blah, blah, it’s almost like the dummycrats aren’t voting straight party line.

What planet are you vacationing on, bookman?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:13 pm

Jimmy62

Let’s make a deal.

You don’t pay for insurance and I won’t pay for war or corporate welfare.

Okee Dokee?

Oh and that stuff about the CBO…..best read this.

http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10868/12-19-Reid_Letter_Managers.pdf

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:14 pm

Republicans are really a pathetic pack of losers.

…but they are designing a cool new all black uniform with knee high boots to wear their American Flag pin on.

mm

December 21st, 2009
1:14 pm

The CBO score is in. The senate bill will reduce the deficit by $132 billion the first 10 years and by $1.3 trillion the next 10 years. The wingnuts are already claiming the score is a fraud.

Hey wingers, you do realize you are already required to carry auto insurance, so why are you crying foul now?

Morons.

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
1:14 pm

…any bill that increases government control over my life…and a whole bunch of other things I don’t want or need, is anathema to anyone who believes in true freedom.

That’s called being wealthy enough to own your own island where you can make whatever rules you want. Until the time you buy that island and move there, you live in a society with certain demands and expectations in order to be a part of it.

This is called life – in any country, society, or community. Learn to be a apart of it and take a little compromise or move somewhere else.

Doggone/GA

December 21st, 2009
1:15 pm

Mrs G – “You don’t pay for insurance and I won’t pay for war or corporate welfare”

You beat me to it!

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:16 pm

Whiner, you miss the point. The Democrats HAVE to vote party line because the Republicans won’t play. It is so stupid. This is why they will lose it all come November…

Hef

December 21st, 2009
1:16 pm

Jimmy62-It’s the same game only the colors have changed.I just hope the ones that vote for this joke of a bill will get they’re collective fannies handed to them come re-election time.

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
1:17 pm

I remember the Republicans meeting behind closed doors, even turning off the lights at one point so the Democrats wouldn’t know they were convening. This was about 2002 or 2003.

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:17 pm

MRS. G…Howdy! Have a good weekend?

Hef

December 21st, 2009
1:19 pm

Health Insurance & auto Insurance? Hey Moron there is quite a bit of difference between the two!!!!

Redneck Convert--R and proud of it

December 21st, 2009
1:20 pm

Well, I swear. They found two bodies in the Amicolola River up in Dawson County. Been shot. The person that done it should of buried them, not toss them in water I might could need to drink. Far as I can tell, the guy that done it was Liscenced to Carry, so no problem there.

Anyhow, I’m glad the Republicans didn’t have nothing to do with this Health Care Bill. They should of passed what the Republicans wanted to do about Health Care: Nothing. Like the fellow said, it ain’t my job to pay for someone else’s health care. Just let the guy die and be done with it. This is America and Free Innerprize, not Russia and Communism. If a bunch of bums want to go without Health Care let them. We’ll be rid of them soon enough. We’ll still go to church on Sunday and pray to Jesus to help the sick. I reckon that’s the only way we can help them, now that the Rev. Oral Roberts up and died.

Have a good p.m. everybody. And try not to drink the water for a couple days.

Hef

December 21st, 2009
1:20 pm

Hey but original name calling-not!!! typical

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
1:21 pm

Normal, correct. They wouldn’t have had to give everything + the kitchen sink to Nebraska if the Republicans were allowed to think for themselves and work on the bill.

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
1:24 pm

…but they are designing a cool new all black uniform with knee high boots to wear their American Flag pin on

And with their color-coordinating man-purses and red lipstick, they’re sure to be a hit.

Jimmy62

December 21st, 2009
1:26 pm

MM- No one uses auto insurance for an oil change, they use it for catastrophe. If medical insurance was used properly as insurance in the case of disaster, then we would have no fiscal problem with medical care in this country. But the left wants anything and everything covered, and they want the rich to pay for it all. So that makes any comparison to auto insurance completely irrelevant.

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:26 pm

Somebody pass the monitor cleaner…Taxpayer got me… :D

Joey

December 21st, 2009
1:27 pm

Jay:
The votes were 176-1 against the House Health Care Bill, and 40-0 against the Senate Health Care Bill. Not insurance reform. It may be your integrity that is frayed.

I agree though that it is past time to stop this pretending about “esteemed colleagues” and the “deliberating skills”. But once again your personal dishonesty allows you to denigrate Republicans for being responsible for changing an image that you first acknowledge probably never existed, and further acknowledge is past due for a change.

mm

December 21st, 2009
1:27 pm

Hef.

You prove my point. Wingnuts just don’t get it.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:28 pm

Normal

Great! Full of marvelous silliness and snickerdoodles.

How about you?

Jimmy62

December 21st, 2009
1:29 pm

Finn- The GOP thinks for itself plenty, and has made many, many suggestions about health care. But the left won’t accept any of them, because they have no interest in bipartisanship, just winning, as Ben Nelson’s sellout in return for a $100 million bribe demonstrates. Too bad you guys have to resort to bribing your own side to get your way. Also too bad that you have a super majority, and still can’t get anything done without bribery and voting in lock-step with one another.

Hef

December 21st, 2009
1:30 pm

Taxpayer-U speaking Harry Reid before or after 1st sex change operation? This is no place for that kind of talk.

mm

December 21st, 2009
1:30 pm

Jimmy62,

Ditto.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:31 pm

“the left wants anything and everything covered, and they want the rich to pay for it all”……there’s your sign!

Hef

December 21st, 2009
1:31 pm

MM-And you proved mind by not having a clue of what u speak,but then again you knew that right?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:33 pm

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:33 pm

Mrs G,
Had family and Grandkids over all weekend. Big pots of Chili and and fresh from the oven cookies and brownies. Not everybody can make Christmas day so we had an open house all weekend. Lots of work, but double the fun.

Hef

December 21st, 2009
1:33 pm

Zilla & the rest of the sheep here-here’s your sign “Go F*CK Yourselves”

Peadawg

December 21st, 2009
1:35 pm

Jay, can release my previous comment? I don’t know why it’s waiting moderation….???

@@

December 21st, 2009
1:36 pm

Awwwww, poor babies. Why shouldn’t they share in the misery? Working hard is something to which they’re not accustomed.

Being unemployed? Now that’s stress! Hopefully some of them will find out soon enough (2010) what THAT’S like.

Priorities….the dem’s are out of order.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:36 pm

Hef

No thanks, I like it the old fashioned way.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:37 pm

Oh and Hef

I suspect you could give us all the hand signals for that procedure
from personal experience.

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:37 pm

Oh Hef, how original, how apropos, how intellegent… :roll:

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:38 pm

Clean up on aisle Hef

Normal

December 21st, 2009
1:39 pm

Mrs G,
I’m pretty sure hef knows where to look anyway…

joe matarotz

December 21st, 2009
1:39 pm

The difference between a Republicant and a Democrap is…nothing! There is no difference. Even for the few who started off well-intentioned, once they have been in office a while, they will say or do anything to get reelected. Holding office is an addiction far stronger than any drug available. Don’t kid yourself that any of them heve our best interests at heart.

Bosch

December 21st, 2009
1:39 pm

Geez Hef, who peed in your Cheerios?

Southern Comfort

December 21st, 2009
1:39 pm

Hef

Is that legal in GA? Some of those old blue laws will get you hemmed up real quick.

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
1:40 pm

U speaking Harry Reid before or after 1st sex change operation? This is no place for that kind of talk.

Well, if you know that what you do is wrong, then just say no.

Doggone/GA

December 21st, 2009
1:40 pm

“Clean up on aisle Hef”

Hey! He’s just quoting that famous “most conservative” person of the year. Gotta spread those family values around, doncha know?

Get Real

December 21st, 2009
1:40 pm

Dimocrats have crossed the line when they have bullied other dimocrats in to voting for this Obozohealthcare debacle. They have lined the pockets of fellow dimocrats with money bribes and threatened others on closing military bases in their jurisdiction. When some of you left wingers pull your head out of your ass it might just be too late to save America!

Jenifer

December 21st, 2009
1:41 pm

There appears to be some reform in the bill. We can tweak it later.

A winner!!!

December 21st, 2009
1:41 pm

Well, if there was ever a time to steal phrase, now:

SUCK IT LOSERS!!!

Southern Comfort

December 21st, 2009
1:42 pm

All this sexual tension. Sounds like there’s a few posters here who could use a cold shower or two!!

Jake

December 21st, 2009
1:43 pm

Jay – Perhaps the Republicans just believe in representing the voters, you know, the 60% of Americans that are against this bill. Whereas the Dems just represent their constiuents, you know the ambulance chasers that are getting 25 million or so new customers. In any case, there is nothing parliamentary about it, that system generally requires compromise with the other party or a coalition of parties/voting blocks to get anything done. What we have here is a a PATRONAGE system.

To the right

December 21st, 2009
1:44 pm

You are not required to have auto insurance if you don’t own a car. I hate it when people point out that you have to carry auto insurance. It is your choice to own a car. So why should this medical “deform” bill be shoved down our throats when Congress won’t even join it.

Bosch

December 21st, 2009
1:44 pm

Jake,

Well, again you have to look at those like me who are against the health care bill because it does not include the public option, so does those polls you are quoting account for folks like me?

LA

December 21st, 2009
1:45 pm

Jay, you are one delusional person. Talk about drinking the kool aid.

You seen the polls lately?

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
1:45 pm

“Go f*ck yourself.” –to Sen. Patrick Leahy, during an angry exchange on the Senate floor about profiteering by Halliburton, June 25, 2004

Ahh Yes. Dick and his one-track mind.

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
1:47 pm

Whereas the Dems just represent their constiuents,

I’m OK with that.

GreenJeans

December 21st, 2009
1:48 pm

Redneck @ 1:20 perfectly describes compassionate, conservative health care reform…a Single-Prayer System :)

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:48 pm

To the right

“they won’t join it?”

Sen. Franken Becomes A Cosponsor Of Vitter/Coburn Amendment

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×410148

Jake

December 21st, 2009
1:49 pm

Yeah Bosch, I’m pretty sure they do. I’d be for it if there was a single payer system. I have no problem with a still fairly wealthy nation providing health insurance for everyone. But I want something that will control costs and reduce that 16% of GDP we spend on health care. Despite CBO predictions, i don’t think this is it. BTW, when did we start measuring bills cost in terms of their 10 20 year effect on the deficit? A bill with a one-time $1B expense with no revenue will create a $2 or $3B dficit in 20 years with the debt service.

willie

December 21st, 2009
1:49 pm

Once again the progressive liberal liars (PLL) are blaming others for not submitting to a world they want to dictate. There once was a democratic party but now only the PLL is running the show. I guess thats why their ratings are so low.
Lets talk about integrety! Democrats will change their minds if the monetary payoff is big enough–the hell with the people.
This is not about healthcare but simply taking over the government. However, when the Tea Party wins the next elections they can reverse anything the PLL has achieved. The Tea Party may not be a party of their own but they will revive the Republican party by ousting the liberal moderate republicans. I am eager to see the change.
Along with change there are tears, screams, agony, and possibly rioting against the elected. Democrats have lost their way by allowing the PLL to take away their party. The democrats can not lead and refuse to follow. What character!

Jenifer

December 21st, 2009
1:50 pm

Mary Matalin On Health Care Jihadists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eksAUx0ckoU&feature=youtube_gdata

These arrogant voices of privilege are truly astounding in their depravity.

Get Real

December 21st, 2009
1:50 pm

Hate to tell you but you will be the one sucking it when this Obozohealthcare debacle takes place along with every other taxpayer!

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
1:51 pm

Jon Chait from TNR points and laughs best:

The Republicans eschewed a halfway compromise and put all their chips on an all or nothing campaign to defeat health care and Obama’s presidency. It was an audacious gamble. They lost. In the end, they’ll walk away with nothing. The Republicans may gain some more seats in 2010 by their total obstruction, but the substantive policy defeat they’ve been dealt will last for decades.

Jenifer

December 21st, 2009
1:52 pm

“SUCK IT LOSERS!!!”

Fa la la la la la la la LA!

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

December 21st, 2009
1:54 pm

bookman whines because the dummycrats have stuck themselves with this abomination in it’s entirety.

You libs own it.

Be proud, hehehehe.

willie

December 21st, 2009
1:54 pm

Mrs G.
Did you read the American taxpayer did not want this bill but simply the PLL? Did you delete that website before reading it?

Redneck Convert--R and proud of it

December 21st, 2009
1:54 pm

I just hate it when that woman gets on here and tells us Compassionate Conservatives to Suck It.

Jake

December 21st, 2009
1:55 pm

Actually this year’s deficit of $1.5T alone will add $4T to the debt in 20 years assuming debt service of 5%.

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
1:55 pm

the substantive policy defeat they’ve been dealt will last for decades

decades….a long long looooooong time

mwuah aha aha aha haaa

South Georgia Republican

December 21st, 2009
1:56 pm

You partisin liberals are either stupid or think everyone else is. “Republcans don’t think for themselves because they voted 40-0 against the healthcare reform.” Uh, excuse me, but what was the vote total from the progressive, independent, free-thinking Democrats? Statistically, it requires 50% less independent thought for 60 people to arrive at the same result than 40.

Of course, the Dems didn’t technically all vote the same since three of them (well, 2 Dems and Sanders) were bribed with other states’ money before they agreed- I guess those were the 3 that made the Democrats more independent that the Republicans.

And if this is such a fine piece of legislation, what harm is there in publishing it on the internet, letting the people understand it, and then voting on it after the holidays?

willie

December 21st, 2009
1:56 pm

Jon Chait from TNR failed to finish his revelation that the behavior of the PLL will unite the conservatives that may setback the democrats for ages to come.

Outhouse Go-Kart

December 21st, 2009
1:57 pm

Yeppers…this baby belongs to the dummycrats.

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
1:58 pm

Franken 2016

dummycrat

December 21st, 2009
1:59 pm

They way eye figures it, duh party in the minority has to come together and embrace whatever the we come up with, killing babies, surrendering to al Qaeda, earmarks for our pork, the Repugs should shut up and sign, duh.

Now time fix my finances, my checking account has no money it but I have checks left so it’s time to spend my way out of dis mess, ew.

@@

December 21st, 2009
1:59 pm

This Democrat is blind, but yet he sees…HE SEES!

ALBANY – Gov. Paterson this morning slammed the health care reform deal touted in Washington by his fellow Democrats, saying the bill would “punish” New York State for having some of the nation’s most generous health care programs.

Paterson cited a provision in the final Senate health deal that provides greater federal aid to states that add residents to the Medicaid rolls. New York, which has long had one of the nation’s broadest Medicaid programs, would miss out on the money, Paterson said.

“We are in a sense by the bill being punished for our own charity,” Paterson set during an appearance on Buffalo radio station WBEN. “With no change in that, we could lose from $1.1 to $1.25 billion a year as a result of this bill.”

That’s because this administration wants TO BE America’s provider.

What the government can giveth, the government can also taketh away.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/health_care_bill_could_cost_ny_more_z0PRCi1onIjUhheI5okd3N#ixzz0aMWrR4Xl

Call it like it is.

December 21st, 2009
2:00 pm

Okay, the Republicans didnt fall in line with the Dems, So What, who here thought that would happen. You guys are so proud of this bill, you think you have beaten the right. What did you win? Have any of you taken 2 minutes and look at the amount of pork in it? It would be funny if wasnt so sad.

Once again taking money from those that do and pass it on to those that don’t. Remember you ask for the change, when you have to wait 9 to 10 months just to see a dentist don’t bitch.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
2:01 pm

willie

glad you cleared that up.

finn

i would have no problem with that at all. gop has got nobody on the bench.

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
2:01 pm

What is this liberal thankful for?

first intelligent President in a looong time, health care bill, majority congress, good prospects for an improved economy in the coming year, Franken 2016

And W…who made it all possible! I might treat myself by listening to Handitty on the way home today. Meltdown time.

Doggone/GA

December 21st, 2009
2:01 pm

“this baby ”

Oh cheer up. The bill hasn’t even been voted on yet. There’s still a CHANCE it won’t pass.

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
2:02 pm

I’m with Finn. Franken in 2016.

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
2:02 pm

…all that pork and still reducing the deficit by 132 billion over ten years.

that’s smoking!

Jake

December 21st, 2009
2:04 pm

Winners – Insurance companies, drug companies, trial lawyers, poor and currently uninsurable (pre-esxisting, etc.).
Losers – Taxpayers, Medicare recipients, 17 million “invincibles” forced to buy insurance, consumers as employers raise their prices to pay for it, wealthy (assuming suyrcharge tax is in the final bill, which I think is doubtful).

Taxpayer

December 21st, 2009
2:04 pm

Yes, there is pork in the healthcare bill. There’s extra lipstick for the Republican party.

Vinny

December 21st, 2009
2:04 pm

Jay – don’t get your panties in a wad just because Republicans can’t be bought off like the crooks on the other side of the aisle….

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
2:06 pm

Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chairman Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) vowed that Democrats will continue to work on health care reform and promised more legislative fixes in the future.

“What we’re building here is not a mansion. It’s a starter home. But it’s got a great foundation. … This is not the end of health care reform, it’s the beginning of health care reform,” Harkin said.

From DK

Scout

December 21st, 2009
2:06 pm

They all need a good “caning” !!!

Finn McCool

December 21st, 2009
2:07 pm

Notice how the Republicans comment about the number of people who will STILL be without health insurance but none of them mention the fact that 1/3 of that number is illegal immigrants?

Maybe that mention would diminish the force of their argument?

Get Real

December 21st, 2009
2:07 pm

I have come to realize that dimocrats will do anything unethical, i.e. bribery (with taxpayers money), threats (closing military bases) and any other means possible to get votes for their agenda! They should all be imprisoned for treason, bribery, tampering, etc. Seems like they are kind of like the Mofia!

kayaker 71

December 21st, 2009
2:08 pm

I seem to remember that the vote was 60/40, all along partisan lines. Don’t blame the Repubs for voting as a group as long as all of the Demos did the same thing. Passing a bill in the middle of the night, bribes to the holdouts which America will be paying for, strongarm tactics by the party in power….. who is destroying the Senate?

Mrs. Godzilla

December 21st, 2009
2:08 pm

finn

“Maybe that mention would diminish the force of their argument?”

may I suggest a small revision

Maybe that mention would diminish the FARCE of their argument?

Common Sense

December 21st, 2009
2:09 pm

Doesn’t anyone realize that this bill is unconstitutional? Or do Obama and Reid just not care? I suspect it’s the latter. It’s just an “inconvienient truth” for them. What do you say to that, Bookman?