Atlanta and the hysterics of global warming

Convincing article, Jay. Also, as a lifetime Atlantan, I would have to consider the near-absence of ice storms which occurred with regularity through the 1970s. Sure we’ve had occasional freak snow storms in late March (I recall 1983 and 1994 or thereabouts). But the recent pattern in 25 years has been little more than frost on the windshield and budding trees in February.

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What a waste of space.

Why not talk about Obowo accepting a ‘peace’ prize two weeks after accelerating a war?

Why not talk about a convicted felon at a White House state dinner instead of a couple of opportunist gate crashers who were probably setups anyway to take the focus off Creamer, the felon?

Why not talk about something other than what both sides of an issue have scientists in each others corner calling out the other side as ‘junk’ science?

Why not talk about a White House dinner serving Congressmen and guests dessert cookies shaped as ACORN’s symbol, either a grossly or stupidly miscalculated attempt at humor, or just plain old arrogance and in your face ghetto trash talk?

Why not, you ask?

Well, probably because the left these days absolutely hates having any of the current criminal chicanery of the idols they slobber over exposed to the light of day, absolutely hates doing anything that resembles WORK in their profession – let Fox do it, and then laugh, point fingers, but be afraid at the same time – , and hates doing what someone else tells them to do because, they know best how to tell people to loive and conduct their own lives.

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Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get

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Well said Jay.

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Nothins says ghetto trash talk to me like Thin Mints and Samoas.

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USinUK-8:36- Bravo! Did Bud Wiser run out of beer?

Just watched President Obama’s Nobel speech. Fantastic! Even the commentators on FOX couldn’t say anything negative, so they signed off. Now it’s time for the trolls…

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Road Scholar

Me too…..

Here’s the text for those who missed it.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/president-obama-we-can-build-a-just-and-lasting-peace.php?ref=fpa

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Jay, Global warming is fact, it’s been warming since the last ice age. Of course this means it was warming prior to the combustible engine and factory spewing Co2 but lets not look at past cycles. Scientist have shown it was warmer during the mid evil times than today by checking core samples. Why do we think it would be wrong for the temps to climb back to the levels they were prior to the last cooling period ? You readily admit that we have a recorded history od 129 years, if you are one of those flatearthers that feel the planet is only 5000 years old, maybe tracking temps 129 years is a good indicator. Many feel the earth is millions or billions of years old and looking back 129 years leaves alot of question marks as far as the coldest or warmest day ever. If it were not for warming, North America would still be a glacier.

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Jay, the part of this you can’t seem to understand or don’t want to because it doesn’t fit your anti advancement mindset is nobody disagrees there was a warming trend between 1975 and 2005. The problem is 1975 was the peak of a cooling trend that had your parents and the other brain deads of the day claiming we’re headed for another ice age. Remember that Jay? I do. It goes up, it goes down. How much of it we are causing is what nobody knows.

The other thing you all don’t seem to understand is nobody disagrees with the need to develop more efficient and less polluting lifestyles, it’s just the degree to which we do it and the means to get there. Somebody please tell me how giving $400 Billion to 3rd world crack jobs fixes any of this. This is more a game of the rest of the world fleecing us than the climate and if you don’t get that now you never will.

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A President that sends 30,000 troops to war wins a Peace prize…wow!

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The only consensus is that everyone that agrees with you agrees with you. That’s different than there being an actual scientific consensus. I can find you plenty fo climate experts that disagree. If you looked at the CRU emails, and still think there’s a consensus, you may have a reading comprehension issue. If there was a consensus, then why do much talk about silencing critics?

The emails are certainly no smoking gun, but they do reveal that the science is anything but settled. All I am asking is for us to fully understand the science before we spend trillions to fix a problem that may not exist. Or, even if it does exist, technology is advancing so fast we may spend trillions on this, and then find a really cheap solution in 10 years after wasting all that money hamstringing our economy.

Only fools rush in, and that’s what you are urging. A very, very foolish course.

They should start calling folks like you “deniers.” You are denying the plain truth revealed by those emails- The science is NOT settled, and never was.

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Well, me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill and Bud Wiser all know this global warming junk is just a way to try and tax us and keep us from making lots of money. You can’t make money without putting a little poison in the air and some in the ground and water to boot. You get use to the poison after awhile, just like your body keeps you from getting measles again after you’ve had them.

Anyhow, it got so warm this a.m. I had to put on a pair of long johns.

So you libruls can keep putting out this global warming junk and we’ll come up with ways to make you look silly.

I didn’t watch this Obama get his Nobel peace prize. It’s kind of stupid to give somebody a peace prize for ginning up a war. It all proves the Nobel people are just a bunch of libruls. If they were normal people My President would of got a couple Nobel peace prizes for starting two wars instead of just adding 30,000 troops to one that was already started.

Have a good day everybody.

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IT’S COLD TODAY WHICH PROVES THERE AIN’T NO GLOBAL WARMING. PEOPLE DIDN’T COME FROM MONKEYS. GOB WROTE THE BIBLE AND I BELIEVE IT.

I DON’T NEED NO FOOL SCIENTIST TO TELL ME THE TEMPERATURE.

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Bud Wiser – expert on what everyone else is left is thinking. A true clairvoyant.

Very true and accurate.

I refer to it as a waste of space because both sides are so deeply entrenched with their own ‘data’ of junk science and scientists, that no one will ever budge off their very deep stance.

Not that I ever expected any of you shallow brain libtards to figure it out on your own anyway, so thought I’d just explain here.

And, as usual, the miffed and the ignorant hurls their slobbering insults my way, as if that ever makes one whit of difference…. it just shows their own individual stupidity and lack of understanding of anything.

Duh.

Just as vacuous as the Great Obowo.

And the cookie thing? And the reference to ghetto trash talk? Not exactly earth burning material, but just another couple bags of cement illustrating the childish and ignorant appearance theses worms in the White House are not only portraying to America, but the rest of the world as well.

No style, no substance. Obowo is taking the prize and running as well, showing total disregard (or is it just plain old ignorance) of tradition and precedent in Nobel Prize pomp and circumstance.

Maybe he’ll leave the King of Norway a tape of his speeches.

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“GOB WROTE THE BIBLE AND I BELIEVE IT.”

Me too.

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Citizen of the World: When there are scientists saying different things, we have to choose which to beleive. And you can deny it all you want, call it a “consensus” all you want, but there are many scientists who DO disagree with the findings of the global warming crowd. Some to the extent of it, some to the notion that it’s man-made, and some that we’re warming at all, at leat relative to most of human history. But you ignore and deny all that, it’s like you are wearing blinders.

With all this hysteria, it’s too bad we’re ignoring the much more essential with carbon pollution, the acidification of our oceans.

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Jay, your “adjustment” arguments made sense except the data does not support it. For years now, weather station data has had man-made adjustments, but virtually all of it has gone in the direction supporting AGW. Your Atlanta example is spot-on. Growth in Atlanta including heat generation from airports, concrete roads, buildings, etc. would indicate that recorded temps should rise over 150 years in Atlanta and later temps should be adjusted down to account for this, yet the adjustments performed by the likes of CRU, GISS, etc. have been mysteriously adjusted up (and older temps down) to give the appearance of AGW. (To date, both of these organizations have refused to publish how and why they have made these adjustments.) Climategate emails simply support what dissenting scientists have been saying all along – “scientists” at CRU wanted a result and when the real temp data didn’t support it, they chose other data or made adjustments to create the desired result.

Since virtually all AGW reports and supporting studies use data from CRU and GISS directly or indirectly, if this data is fabricated, the overwhelming supporting body of AGW research crumbles.

What is desperately needed right now is an independent audit and study using raw temperatures from the nearly 5000 reporting stations (which CRU mysteriously deleted) but which can be recreated. This report should include the last 150 years of temps that yes, are adjusted with scientific consensus that includes both pro and con AGW advocates, and published for all to see. Until then, the science of AGW is overwhelmingly “unscientific”.

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USinUK

The polar ice shelf is actually being funneled into the ice maker at our house. My Mr. G likes his Jack on artic crushed ice. That’s why refridgerators are so expensive nowadays. That little copper hose has to go a long long way.

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Mrs. G – doesn’t that thing get clogged by … like … seals and polar bears???

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USinUK: Oh, ok, a glacier melting means the science is settled. An icicle formed on my car overnight, THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED, we’re in for an ice age.

If the science is so settled, then why are so many of those emails about hiding data, and stifling critics? Because unlike you, they know the science is NOT settled, and that a careful examination of their raw data (which they got rid of, and would take two years to collect again) and models would show significant holes in their theories. If they were 100% confident, why so scared to let others examine everything, like science is supposed to happen?

There’s plenty of evidence to show there were even less glaciers in the Roman Warming Period 2,000 years ago than there were 50 years ago. Does that mean the Romans were filling the atmosphere with carbon? Where are the ruins of their factories, the rusted out remains of their internal combustion engines?

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Statement from the UK science community

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/news/latest/uk-science-statement.html

‘course none of these guys is a former funny abc chicago weather boy
who started the weather channel or anything important like that….

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“Blaming global warming, in part, to cow farts is a silly notion. However true it may be, it hurts the serious tone of the argument.”

actually, methane has 20x the impact as CO2 on the environment (a fun fact I learned just last night watching a documentary on the last mass extinction).

there are HUGE deposits of frozen methane on the bottom of the ocean floor – should the oceans continue to warm and the methane thaw … well, that would pretty much be curtains …

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UsinUk

to quote Papillion…..extra protein!

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I agree there is no scientific agreement. I also believe we have very few reliable indicators of thousand year climate trends. We really do not know if this shift is normal for our planet or something we humans are causing. Truely, we don’t even know if we would find a warmer planet completely habitable. The scientific models indicate massive changes, but there is no agreement there either. There is speculation that oceans will rise and get warmer; that a warmer ocean will spawn different weather patters, kill some species and improve some species. I do believe in evolution and the adaptability of life on this planet.

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All I am asking is that we start over. We need to VERY openly and transparently collect raw data from the thousands of temperature stations all over the world. That data set needs to be put online so anyone can examine it. And then competing groups can do so, creating models based on good statistical analysis and prorgamming, rather than the amateur crap the CRU scientists put together. Then the process of real science can happen. And then we can plan to spend trillions. But it’s the height stupidity to stifle our economies based on fudged data, bad programming, and statistical analysis by people who aren’t trained statisticians.

If you want things done right, then this shouldn’t be a big problem to you. On the other hand, if you object to this, then perhaps it’s because you are worried what may be revealed?

Ever heard the phrase “measure twice, cut once?” We are “measuring once, cutting a bunch of times” and that’s a bad base to transform society on.

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Ben –

re: the bitchy e-mails … this may come as a surprise, but scientists are just like the rest of us – they can sometimes say none-too-politic things about their colleagues (as for “stifling” dissent, the papers in question actually WERE presented)

and you honestly want to compare your windshield frosting over with polar sheets hundreds of miles across??? REEEEELLY???

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Mrs G –

“to quote Papillion…..extra protein!”

not as crunchy.

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“All I am asking is that we start over”

Sounds good to me. Let’s go back, say, 10,000 years and get REAL, SCIENTIFIC temperature data that we can DEPEND ON. Start now.

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Well sure, Mrs. Godzilla, all those highfalutin’ scientists, with their fancy-pants book-learnin’, assert that the evidence is solid. But the person with the greatest qualifications to EVALUATE the evidence, namely Sarah Palin, says it ain’t so. So there.

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USinUK, it is pointless to inform Bosch about how to drink scotch. He thinks it is just the same as Irish whiskey.

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Jenifer

Thanks for the link.

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mmm…a nice McCallan 25! Thats about the extent of my price range.

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They still have water and wells can be dug if necessary.

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How to Make a Fedora Hat out of Tin Foil and Duct Tape

http://www.ehow.com/how_5487448_make-tin-foil-duct-tape.html

You conspiracy folks make ‘em and wear ‘em proudly.

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Gale,

It’s from the same region for crying out loud! Aren’t Irish people just drunk Scottish people? J/K
I had a brain burp last night.

USinUK,

Thanks for the advice. But I like to smoke when I’m drinking Scotch – it just goes together for me. Like peanut butter and grape jelly – only 1000% worse for you

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The more time goes on, the more things stay the same. I’ve learned to expect nothing different when reading these posts.

I’m no scientist, but I can tell that there’s been a change in the weather patterns over the last 20-30 years. I don’t know if its just cyclic changes or if it’s partially due to man made problems. However, I do know this, I don’t want to find out there is something we could have done to stop it after it’s too late to stop any damage being done.

Maybe it’s CO2 we’re putting in the air, or maybe it’s all the asphalt and concrete we’ve put down that’s causing a change in evaporation/rain cycles. I feel it is worth our time to at least study all avenues to determine 1) if there is a problem and 2) if a problem exists, how do we correct it before it’s too late.

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By the way, a statement such as “scientists don’t have a concensus” is absolutely true. It has no value unless your pay is directly proportional to the number of characters you type but it is a true statement.

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“SHE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST NON-INTELLECTUAL POLITICIANS I HAVE EVER HEARD SPEAK OR WRITE.”

If this is correct then she is only second to the kenyan.

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Bosch –

“Aren’t Irish people just drunk Scottish people?”

don’t you remember the sage advice from SNL???

“If it’s not Scottish, it’s crrrrrrrrap!”

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Doggone –

“So many times deniers have said this…and NOT ONE has been able to post the names of those climate experts. ”

you mean you don’t remember the person who posted the “petition” of HUNDREDS of names??? oh, some numpty posted it months ago – it withstood scrutiny like a pinata in a rainstorm …

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Paul at 9:10 wasn’t me.

Jay

I admire your perseverance.

Next on the agenda: what to do about it. What I liked about the East Anglia emails is the scientists propose different ways to deal with the manmade effects. I’m surprised this hasn’t been given more coverage. What we have is like going to a doctor and finding out there’s only one possible treatment that will work for a diagnosis: take the new wonderdrug. Forget lifestyle changes, diet, exercise. Don’t even consider it. Just take the wonderdrug.

That’s how I see cap n trade. Many advocates present it as the one and only, mostest bestest rationalest thing going. And forget about proposing anything else.

So soon after a financial crisis where third parties made gazillions swapping little pieces of paper, we have a proposal that would… enable third parties to make gazillions swapping little pieces of paper.

But… we have Democrats who know how to provide regulation and oversight, so no worries, right?

And lay off Bosch. He knows what he likes. Whiskey. All kinds. It’s like pickin’ on a guy for saying ‘women are women’ while the rest argue about hair color and height and weight and all that really important stuff. Oh yeah…. //sarc//

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Anything better than you typical “red herring and strawman” assertions?

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Doggone,

I can’t remember when, but someone posted a link of “experts” who denied global warming, but that list was people who weren’t climate scientists. There are plenty of scientists who deny global warming, but it’s like physicists or cancer experts – not climatologists.

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“you mean you don’t remember the person who posted the “petition” of HUNDREDS of names???”

Indeed I do, but I want the names of those CLIMATE EXPERTS. They keep claiming they can provide them, but they never do.

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I know conservatives hate facts, but here goes. The total volume of ozone in the stratosphere has decreased by 4% per decade since the late 70’s. And you know what, it ain’t coming back. Yes – global warming exists.

We have to remember that conservatives need to be cut some slack. I mean, they did vote for George W Bush – twice.

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Thanks Ignorance Hitler for you Wiki facts!!

BRAVO…*Applause*

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“I make a perfectly reasonable suggestion, recollect all the data openly and transparently and let anyone who wants to examine it and make models and hypothesis which other scientists can then try to disprove, leaving only the truth. That’s how the scientific process works”

what do you think? that there are only the guys at East Anglia working on it??? there are climate scientists working on this issue all over the world – they all have access to data – they all have different models.

geez-o-pete – what do you THINK is going on???

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Bob

December 10th, 2009
9:50 am

The goron is a liar and shythead from way back. Plus he is usually just wrong and incorrect. A bag of hot air.

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GLOBAL WARMING is a fraud……a HOAX……..pushed by the lying AJC….

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Bud, get your own blog, dude. If you aren’t interested in the read, surf over to somewhere else…

Never said I wasn’t interested, dude. Go take your make believe inferences and shove them tight and deep. Your opinion is as irrelevant to what is going on as is, well, mine. But I will express what I like, or think is more relevant, and if you don’t like reading it, well then, don’t.

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I submit there is no global warming……………but if for some reason it is determined that any heating has occurred it is the epitome of arrogance to think that we have anything to do with it……..if we in fact came from monkeys, fish and dinosaurs (of which I am highly suspect) and the earth has existed for millions of years then we are a grain of sand in time and my freaking GMC Yukon XL and twin engine boat ARE NOT CAUSING ANYTHING…..plants use C02 to breathe!!!! It just makes me sigh…..oh crap there goes some more CO2……

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Concrete absorbs heat, so does asphalt, also our roofing shingles, are all made to absorb heat…If we could find a way to improve those elements, we would see a dramatic decrease in temperatures..

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USinUK: Most of them share data sets and adjustments, they are no completely independent groups as you claim. And NASA, for instance, is also refusing to release their raw data (unlike CRU, they at least aren’t saying they threw it away).

Listed in this Wikipedia article are several climatologists who are skeptical (again, even I am not syaing the isn’t warming going on, just the extent of it, the potential results, and how much of it is man-made or natural, what sort of action we should take [who says it will be a bad thing in the long term, say one thousand years from now]):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

Or here (don’t know mnuch about this guy, the article says many call him the father of climatology):
http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/father-of-climatology-calls-manmade-global-warming-absurd/

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vince

seen Apollo 13?

co2 kills

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Okay, we’ve some newbies here. Time to pull out one of my favorite (because for me it was an opinion-changer) links. Some have seen it before. Not many have listened or watched it. One would think people who are so ’sure’ they have The Truth wouldn’t mind listening. Anywho, it’s a university address by David G. Long, PhD, Director, BYU Center for Remote Sensing; Professor, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering; Head, Microwave Earth Remote Sensing (MERS) Laboratory.

He’s not a climatologist. I think. But he looks at the facts of his area of expertise and lays out a pretty compelling case.

So I’d ask folks to give it a listen. If you think the issue’s settled either way or not. Heck, it may just mean a successful day because you learned something new. And yes, the beginning is dry. Skip ahead if you want. But it’s interesting to watch how he builds to a conclusion.

Microwaves, Icebergs and Global Warming

http://www.byub.org/talks/Talk.aspx?id=2994

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Mrs. Godzilla, you want to apologize now?

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129 years of record keeping vs total earth existence is nothing. Its insignificant at best. Its meaningless. Kinda like stating…oh…the “average” black person has one “caucasian” cell in their body hence, and God forbid, they are gonna turn white.

Because in the beginning, when the earth was poofed into perfection, with full grown elephants appearing over the course of six days and commencing right off the bat with their pooping in their, and everyone else’s, drinking water (some things never change), and dinosaurs, roaming just outside the garden of earthly delights, being chased by unsaved heathens with visions of baby-back ribs dancing in their heads… Ahhh yes, the good old days. The days when thermometers had no value because everyone knew that ice measured cold and boiling water proved that fire was hot so one just had to try to avoid the extremes in order to survive. Indeed. Those were the days. The days of lush forests filled with apple trees and fig leaves and Adam and Eve. Meanwhile, back on board the starship Enterprise, Kirk, Spock and McCoy speculate on what the superhuman, genetically modified seed that they have planted this fine day might yield in the future. Oooh look. It’s de plane, boss. It’s de plane.

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Ecclesiastes 3:8 (New International Version)

“a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.”

Shouldn’t there be a “Nobel War Prize” ??

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LA

Be patient the time for our meeting has not yet come.

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Outhouse Goatsh** said: If this is correct then she is only second to the kenyan.

Wow since when does having a Harvard degree make you a non-intellectual? Dude that was just a stupid comment. If you disagree with what I said about the lovely Falin Palin back it up with facts. She is the one that went to 5 colleges in 4 years. She left Hawaii b/c there were too many Asians, per her father. If you think she an intellectual policatician I know for a fact you voted for the Bush twice.

Dumb ass people like Outhouse should not be able to vote or make babies.

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Ben,

And feel free to deny those who disagree with your conclusions as well – which I think would be more than what’s on your list.

Out for a bit.

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Seems everyone is padding their nest so to speak. Theft by faking evidence to keep ones job is still theft. With numbers its possible to “gear” them to ones wanted outcome.

Its a global climate farce founded by these EU dunderheads, third world idiots and the likes of the goron.

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USinUK- They are not independent of EACH OTHER. They share data, they take the same data sets and come to similar conclusions. Those data sets are shown to be fudged, missing, invalid, and otherwise not quite trustworthy.

If you are so confident you are right, what is so wrong with collecting data again and redoing the science? It will only take a couple of years, and that delay won’t make much of a difference either way. And if the scientific process is actually followed, I for one won’t deny the conclusions. But if you’re going to tell me to remake society based on conclusions from raw data that cannot be produced and shown to anyone, I’m going to tell you to shove it.

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“Shouldn’t there be a “Nobel War Prize” ??”

How do you think Alfred Nobel made all his money?

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AmVet, I can tell that you don’t like Christians and the idea of creationism. Fair enough. I understand your point, but you or I don’t see politicians trying to scare people and wanting to tax them in the name of Christianity. Creationism is not taught in schools. Evolution is.

Why not look at both sides and then come to a conclusion?

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Since I despise cold weather, I kinda dig this global warming deal!

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Doggone/GA, yeah, Nobel invented dynamite, right? I can’t remember the entire story but it had to do with things blowing up.

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” It will only take a couple of years ”

Really? You can collect over 100 years of new data in just a couple of years? You’re GOOD…you really ARE

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oh no that slipped out again……

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“Only 26% of the people in this country believe that Barack Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.”

That many eh? I would guess the number to be at around say 11% and thats a liberal figure.

Then again this 26% number probably will coincide with future approval ratings for the kenyan.

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Actually Doggone, we can. The CRU folks, in defending themselves because they can’t produce their raw data that they based all their conclusions on, said, “It’s not gone, it still exists at the 5,000 temperature stations all around the world that it was originally collected from.” So recollect it and start over. NASA used many of those same stations, and had a lot of the same raw data. NASA won’t produce it and is avoiding complying with FOIA requests.

So the CRU themsevles, the scientists who you are defending, disagree with you. They themselves claim the data can be recollected. So do it!

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“I call that treason!”

wow. a conservo-nut calling a liberal “treasonous”. stop the presses. I’m (yawn) shocked.

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“Which theory and what valid reason”

Isn’t this blog discussing the theory of man created global warming? The valid reason? Because not everyone in the scientific community agrees and because the THEORY has taken on a political life, which causes many to become questioners and not politically driven believers.

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Haha, you’re willing to spend trillions to fight off global warming, but not a few million to recollect the raw data that no one has in collected form, but is still readily available at the original recording stations all over the world, just to make sure we’re right before we spend trillions?

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Jay, I found this article to be interesting. Although there absolutely NOTHING we can do about this.

Copenhagen climate summit: global warming ’caused by sun’s radiation’
Global warming is caused by radiation from the sun, according to a leading scientist speaking out at an alternative “sceptics’ conference” in Copenhagen.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6762640/Copenhagen-climate-summit-global-warming-caused-by-suns-radiation.html

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GLOBAL WARMING is a HOAX…..to suppress Capitalism….& Industry…….you morons.

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“Population control called key to deal”

criminey, if we could just get the Duggars to put a cork in it, that would be half the battle, right there.

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All the recycled barbs – is anyone listening to the presentation from 10:02?

If there are holes in his reasoning I’d sure like to hear it. I gather we have plenty of experts represented here so I’m counting on you.

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Paul, facts mean NOTHING to libs. NOTHING.

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Funny, when I consider global warming hysterics, the first name that comes to mind is AlGore.

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LA – I found a link of his interview with Leslie Stahl – that doc???

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vince neil

December 10th, 2009
10:20 am

Especially you!

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Also, a very intended consequence of AGW: Population Control.

Never mind that you could fit the entire population of the world (~6.8 billion) into the state of Texas (about 5 per average size U.S. home on about 1/8th of an acre).

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Paul,

I usually stay away from this topic. People use terms like Global Warming and Climate Change interchangeably. Few really want to discuss the impact man has on our climate/environment.

The debate was much simpler when talking about pollution. The stuff coming out of factory smokestacks and vehicle tailpipes left little room for debate. The chemical sludge being dumped into rivers and oceans was real. No argument there. The landfills full of styrofoam, plastic bags and TV’s are still being used to store our garbage for the next thousanf years.

The things we’ve had to do to mitigate pollution have had a price. Recycling isn’t entirely free. Catalytic converters cost money as do smokestack filters. Proper disposal of chemical waste adds cost to our products (until they are made in China where there is utter disregard for controls). It’s kinda funny that the right wing is in lockstep agreement with the Chinese manufacturers.

All that to say that I cannot imagine any thinking person disagreeing that the CO2 and other contaminants we continue to spew into the atmosphere are harmful and likely have an impact on our climate. So it still boils down to a binary issue. If we do what the “liberals” want and implement policies that negate/eliminate these pollutants, then the worst that can happen is our planet is much cleaner, even if these liberals are wrong about man-made global warming. If on the other hand we do what the “conservatives” want and continue releasing huge amounts of pollutants into the atmosphere, the worst that can happen is…..extinction.

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USinUK, I think so. It’s the document that is highlighted in yellow. And trust me, Jack Horner ain;t not right winger.

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“(about 5 per average size U.S. home on about 1/8th of an acre).”

Wrong factoring. You have to factor in how much land it takes to SUPPORT those 5 people, not just how much land they can comfortably occupy.

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Global Warming the biggest HOAX ever only for Al Gore to contiune to profit from!

Wake up America, we need jobs, not BS!

Enough Said!!!!!!

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N-GA- I disagree. The worst thing that can happen if we follow your “conservative” option (I put that in quotes, because I don’t think you really understand conservatives or what they think), is that we will save trillions of dollars and develop technology to fix things far before it destroys humanity. The worst thing that can happen if we follow the “liberal” position (I put liberal in quotes, because I know I don’t understand liberals or what they think, or why they think such silly things, and because I don’t think this is totally partisan, liberals versus conservatives) is that we waste tons of money, stifle innovation, don’t actually help anything, and never develop the technology we need to really fix things because politicians are making us live like it’s 1850.

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LA – “It’s the document that is highlighted in yellow” then this isn’t it – it’s him talking about dinosaurs … got a link?

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N-GA

I like that line of reasoning.

Is pollution good for the earth? Neutral? Bad?
Likely bad in large quantities.

Does pollution affect air?
Sure

Does pollution affect water?
Sure

Does pollution affect soil?
Sure

Does pollution affect the health of plants, animals and humans?
Sure

Does pollution affect climate?
What?!!? Are you nuts? It affects, people, plants, animals, soil, water, air… but climate? You gotta be kidding me!!!

Kinda breaks down, doesn’t it?

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“we waste tons of money, stifle innovation, don’t actually help anything, and never develop the technology we need to really fix things because politicians are making us live like it’s 1850″

what a load of bollocks –

actually, what they’re doing is ENCOURAGING innovation – in fact, they’re putting money behind it and asking people to find newer, efficient, less-damaging ways of living our lives. the last thing they want to do is go back to the coal fires and pollutants of 1850.

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Paul, my bad, I will go back and look AND listen.

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i think anyone who posts using their e-mail address should get bombarded with evidence of global warming, evolution, and advances in medical knowledge….

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Bill

“Do yourself a favor and visit Fox News for some real NEWS instead of the White House-approved propaganda this rag is pushing.”

Why? He’ll just hear the commentators like Bill O Reilly say people and their activities do have an impact, the degree is open to discussion, but pollution is bad, regardless of climate change we should act aggressively to clean it up, if it has a good effect on climate change, that’s an added benefit.

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Climategate-The travails of a global warming hobbyist.

Now it can probably be successfully argued that a guy with a laptop searching the internet on Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings isn’t really engaged in research, so I’ll call it research by proxy. The people who actually do the research tend to have their papers published online, for people like me to look at. And more than likely there will at least be references to where you can find the data if you’re so inclined. Not so with the whole global warming thing. It was glasnost lite — you simply trust, with no attached verification.

Then 2009 rolled around, and I was no closer to a definitive answer in my own mind about the anthropogenic global warming exercise than when I started. I remembered hearing on the news that the average daytime temperature of Mars was rising. Fine. I set off in search of information on the sun’s radiance and found a whole complete new can of worms to deal with. The sun guys had gobs and gobs of published data showing a correlation between sunspots and atmospheric temperatures on planet Earth.

Now the truly odd thing was they seemed for the most part to agree with each other concerning the relationship of spots to temperature. Where they seemed to differ was the causes of the spots and how to accurately forecast the coming ones. Their charts for the last one hundred years all pretty much agreed with each other. Counterintuitively — the more spots the higher the temperature, the fewer spots the lower the temps. Nowhere did I find sites voicing alternate views on sunspots.

As for this disenfranchised independent voter, I’m thinking about taking up bowling and duck hunting. This climate researcher gig isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategate-the-travails-of-a-global-warming-hobbyist/

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G.W. is a liberal HOAX…..you idiots……A HOAX.

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Nobody ever said Obama doesn’t give a good speech. Nobody ever said he doesn’t lie through his teeth either. Obama is a disaster.

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George Washington is a liberal hoax?

Great White is a liberal hoax?

Gee Whiz?

Grant’s War?

Grape Wine?

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sam, what I find interesting is that a lot of libs consider John Stewart real news. THAT is funny.

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You go, Paul @10:41!

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Let’s put this in a way that eve a liberal can understand, we have been in “Global Warming” since the last ice age. Now when “Global Warming” starts cooling we will have ” Global Cooling” till the end of our next ice age, guess what happens then, duh “Global Warming”.

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USinUK

I can say fer sure…Cheez Whiz is a hoax.

but it melts smoothly

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USinUK, um…..the ones that watch the Daily Show.

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Bosch –

“how is it possible that you work in the finance biz and not feel the urge to fling yourself out the window on a daily basis”

I’d MUCH rather faff around on a spread sheet or play with a pivot table than do what I’m doing now (going through a long-a$$ list of securities on Bloomberg, trying to find out if they’re guaranteed or not) … numbers are your friends … they are what they are

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Bosch

I always had a tough time with numbers. Then, one day, I saw numbers with a $ sign in front and I aced all the courses.

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Bosch

Okay, nearly all. I think there was one early on that I missed -

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USinUK,

“numbers are your friends … they are what they are”

So, I have to think of them kind of like puppies. They love me unconditionally, I just have to love them back and a jolly good time will be had by all!!! OK!!! Let’s do it!!

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Shouldn’t temps be going up, according to the narrative that is being hysterically portrayed by the left?

I see hysterics to the left of me, loons to the right, here I am, wishing more were truly stuck in the middle when it comes to science. Science is not about hysterics or right or wrong. It’s about a search for knowledge and understanding. Unfortunately, the hysterics from some just leave others with the wrong impression on issues such as climate change and even drive the normally calm and collect to displays of frustration from time to time. Then again, that probably is an acceptable return on investment for folks such as Koch and others. (Yes, follow the money is still a worthwhile venture in far too many “causes”, as many have pointed out.)

So, should temps be going up? Not necessarily. Actually, if you apply about 334 Joules of “heat” to a gram of ice at 0C, you’ll just turn the ice to water at 0C. So, if you are melting millions of kilograms of ice, you need a LOT of energy. Once the ice is melted, the application of more “heat” will cause the temperature of the water to rise. There’s more on the subject here. Of course, this is just one site that I happen to like because it covers a lot of arguments from skeptics in one location and it has links/references to a lot of source material, in case you want to dig even deeper into the background work. I’m sure other folks have their own sources that they prefer.

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Taxpayer, I agree with you. Science doesn’t need to be in the business of politics.

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USinUK, you asked me “which ones.” Like I’m going to name off my friends on a blog. And yes, I and everyone else knows it’s a comedy show. He is funny but can be self-righteous in his rants. But I understand where he’s coming from.

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No, LA @10:53, “libs” consider Jon Stewart and the Daily Show to be satire, based on news and current events.

And in case Gretchen Carlson is reading and wants to know what satire is, I’ll save her the trouble and provide the dictionary definition here: Irony or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice or stupidity.

And we “libs” can see that, paradoxically, sometimes there is more truth, insight and perspective to be gained from an exaggeration or parody than in straight reporting.

That’s why we watch and learn from the Daily Show. What’s funny to us is that you “conserves” don’t get it. I guess it is a bit esoteric. Gretchen, that means “intended for or understood by only a particular group.”

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“They love me unconditionally, I just have to love them back and a jolly good time will be had by all!!! OK!!! Let’s do it!!”

sadly, that’s not the case, either. numbers couldn’t give a rat’s patootie about you. they don’t greet you with little wriggling butts when you open excel.

but, when you add 2+2, you can pretty much put a flag in the fact that it will ALWAYS add up to 4. I like that kind of certainty in numbers.

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Taxpayer, I agree with you. Science doesn’t need to be in the business of politics.

And, more importantly, politics does not need to be in the business of science.

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LA,

“I have MANY liberal friends. And most of them get their news from the Daily Show ”

Well, if this is the case, the only thing that proves is that you’ve got some dumb ass friends.

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Jay,

Although you have pointed out that the American Physical Society reaffirmed their committment to their letter of support, this was seven days [Nov. 10] prior to the climategate release, [Nov. 17]. Since then there has been a growing call from many in the society to suspend the letter until their group can investigate. There is now a petition to do just that. Among the signers are 77 Fellows of major science societies, 14 members of national academies, and a Nobel Laureate.

Dr. Happer, head of the Happer Physics lab at Princeton wrote:” by now you have all heard of climategate, which was and is an international scentific fraud…the worst any of us has seen…We have asked APS management to put the 2007 statement on ice until the extent to which it is tainted can be determined, but that has not been done”.

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No, LA @10:53, “libs” consider Jon Stewart and the Daily Show to be satire, based on news and current events.

The sad part is that Jon Stewart does a better job of getting news out to the public than many “news” channels do. And, he even does a better job with the “fair and balanced” part too.

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USinUK

[[they don’t greet you with little wriggling butts when you open excel. ]]

Bosch just lost interest in numbers -

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Paul – 11:13 – well, at least they don’t shed all over your keyboard

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USinUK and Paul,

You guys just don’t understand. And I’m sticking with my new theory. It makes it much easier in my head. Thank you very much!

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Taxpayer, not sure about the fair and balanced part. Fox did break the Acorn story before anyone else. Stewart is funny and I love when he exposes stupidity within politicians.

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sam, and I’ll wager a few thousand dollars that you work the streets of Atlanta as a hooker. See where this is gonna end up going?

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USinUK, that “independent” investigation means nothing. It’s the FEDERAL investigation that counts.

They did nothing illegal?????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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LA,

“See where this is gonna end up going?”

And yet, you don’t have the kahunas to stop it.

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“None, they use candles!”

Nope, natural sunlight. Candles produce pollution

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Jenifer, that was called……a joke. Now please, let the grown ups converse.

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Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they’d rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that’s somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country’s difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited.-Politico

Drive on, dummycrats, drive on.

Shove your hare brained, junk science tax raising schemes down our throats.

Go for it.

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Outhouse Go-Kart, sam, Bosch and the rest are all one of the same. It’s hilarious to read their comments and then, like Bosch, whine about them.

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USinUK…….soliciting prostitution is…….illegal.

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my neighbors are liberal but I can’t tell what they use for light because my giant spotlights cause too much glare!!

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Jenifer, yes Jenifer, you are a joke. HA HA!

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LA – you obviously don’t know anything about the case other than “ooooooo …. ACORN is BAAAAAAAD”

they didn’t solicit prostitution.

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USinUK, keep telling yourself that. I would expect nothing otherwise. Considering that your ilk will buy into man-made global scamming, I would not be surprised that you would believe that the inhabitants of planet Earth love your dear master and lord, Obama.

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Bosch, I do, it’s why I didn’t pick a fight with you. You picked one with me.

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But, I might also add that Stewart picks on conservatives way more than he would pick on libs.

Some folks just naturally migrate to where the “pickins” are the best. The place where the ge the most bang for their buck. By the way, for someone that does not watch FOXY news, you sure know a lot about it. Must be what you picked up from the Daily show, huh.

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The day Obozo was elected I predicted that people would come to long for the economic boom times of the Bush years.

I was right, as usual.

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“USinUK, keep telling yourself that. I would expect nothing otherwise. Considering that your ilk will buy into man-made global scamming, I would not be surprised that you would believe that the inhabitants of planet Earth love your dear master and lord, Obama.”

so, prove it. show me data. ignore the fact that I actually LIVE in Europe, so have a little more first-hand knowledge of how the rest of the world thinks about the president … show me.

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What are your academic or scientific credentials? Perhaps they are as impressive as Al Gore’s. He has a BA in political science, a year of theology school and a year of law school. Yes, impressive indeed!

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john stewart is a satire show written as a joke……much like a global warming convention…..there might be some grain of truth occassionally but mostly it is for the money!

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We’re going to need bigger tongue depressers for the likes of some whiners. No wonder health insurance is going up so much.

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“Bosch, I do.

Like this?

“Jenifer, yes Jenifer, you are a joke. HA HA!”

“and I’ll wager a few thousand dollars that you work the streets of Atlanta as a hooker”

“and I am sure you were voted fattest kid in school.”

This is better than the other night when Common Sense called sfd a moron and then later on proclaimed that he NEVER called people names.

And as I said the other night – do these people think we just can’t read?

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LA –

“USinUK, huh, I guess all dem videoooooooos must have liiiiiied me! LOL”

oh, dear … you just heard the word “video” and you assumed it was showing something it wasn’t. it was showing a guy posing as a pimp asking the ACORN representative how to set up a business that will get around paying federal taxes.

they weren’t soliciting prostitutes.

try reading beyond the big words at the top of the page sometime.

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If the earth was 129 years old this article might make sense, but considering that 129 years is an extremely tiny fraction of the earths existence and those other millions of years are chock full of evidence of warming and cooling periods this is just a waste of perfectly good pixels.

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USinUK, I find it interesting that you believe Acorn is some happy fun organization of peace loving citizens. I really do.

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LA –

“USinUK, isn’t YOUR PM in a lot of trouble right now? Something about porn………….”

wow. your knowledge of foreign politics is about as vast as your knowledge of national politics.

our PM is in trouble for a lot of reasons – primarily the failing economy and the half-a$$ed way they’ve dealt with the City … porn isn’t in the mix.

nice (but weird) try.

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“USinUK, I find it interesting that you believe Acorn is some happy fun organization of peace loving citizens. I really do.”

and I find it pathetic that you know absolutely nothing about the scandal, yet have decided that that they are an eeeeeeeeevil group that is up to no good.

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Bosch! Just for you self-righteous one!

USinUK,

The imaginary ones in his brain.

Jenifer

December 10th, 2009
11:24 am

“Jenifer, that was called……a joke.”

You got that right.

AND WE CAN’T FORGET AMVET!!!!!

He called me a troll AND a fool.

What did I say to them before that that was mean or derogatory?

NOTHING!

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UK, then what is this?????

U.K. Politicians Charging Porn, a Moat and Even Needlepoint to Taxpayers
British Politicians Under Fire for Expensing Everything From a Moat to Porn Films

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7567289&page=1

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“and I find it pathetic that you know absolutely nothing about the scandal”

And nothing about ACORN or their mission either.

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USinUK, and I find it pathetic that you can’t take off the democrat talking point blinders.

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USinUK @ 11:39, if you could read then you would know that I DID say that this recession is Bush’s.

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LA,

“He called me a troll AND a fool.”

OH NO!!! How tragic!! Not a troll AND a fool! That’s just WAYYYYYY too much.

AmVET!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!

USinUK,

I’m gonna need my monitor cleaner back – and can you pass the box of tissues? I’m laughing so hard right now I’m crying.

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One of the ways the country is going in the wrong direction is not simply with huge government spending but with huge government period. Ordinary Americans are uneasy about trusting their fate to huge government. They know that government services are inefficient, expensive, and occasionally repressive and subject to corruption. More than that, huge government is unreliable.-AmSpec

The gigantic, slothen monolith wants to use carbon credits to reward it’s special interests and punish those it disfavors, this is the true issue at hand, not the weather.

And guess who gets to foot the bill.

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LA –

“UK, then what is this?????”

please, please, PLEASE … learn how to read. the prime minister had nothing to do with the expenses scandal that’s currently happening in the houses of parliament.

(cliff notes version: the members of parliament – abbrev MP, not PM – were filing for reimbursement for second homes that they weren’t living in, PPV films when their hubbies were watching porn, duck houses, moat cleaning … to the tune of millions of £££)

saying that Gordo had anythign to do with it would be like saying that Bush Senior was involved in the Congressional Post Office sandal.

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What everyone fails to mention is that temperature recording devices are better and more precise than they were even 5 years ago. Therefore, statistical analysis is flawed because the same measuring instrument was not used and therefore becomes a variable…..

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“Anyone want to discuss it? Any holes in the presentation? Any data collection or presentation that looked off? Were the conclusions sound?”

How nervewracking! I’m biting my nails.

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Bosch –

“I’m gonna need my monitor cleaner back – and can you pass the box of tissues? I’m laughing so hard right now I’m crying.”

dude. some people hit bottom, then pull out a pick axe …

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“Therefore, statistical analysis is flawed because the same measuring instrument was not used and therefore becomes a variable…..”

And do you REALLY think the scientists don’t know that, and don’t know how to factor that into their models?

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UGA87

December 10th, 2009
11:30 am

Im impressed he was able to earn any degree. Too bad he is unable to use his knowledge in a positive way. In other words, the goron is a very stupid person.

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Bosch –

“Moat cleaning? What the hell?”

seriously. moat cleaning.

some other guy spent hundreds on a deluxe duck house.

a number of people requested reimbursement for houses on which they no longer had a mortgage.

and, now, they’re outraged that they’re being forced to pay it all back.

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The persistent, unreleting nastiness of one poster here, (along with the utterly retarded content of his or her posts) is tiresome and boring. Would love to discuss the issues, but this forum has become a means of self-validation for someone who is clearly ignored and avoided by everyone who knows him or her. Y’all have a lovely day!

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Jenifer, oh Jennifer, I don’t have a problem with you! I wanted to use you and your comments to prove a point that Bosch is a one-dimensional person who only sees what she/he wants to see.

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Thank you Matty. You may now return to your slobber covered pillow and your slumber.

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Look back at the time stamp for the comments on this blog. There is not one minute with less than two comments erupting during it, and 11:39 had 7 posts.

It’s about time for some lib to accuse me of not having a life, isn’t it?

hahaha

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Jennifer, in my own defense, “If it does not fit, you MUST acquit!”

These neo-cons sometimes remind me of OJ – still looking for the “real” killer. (Pssst. Maybe he’s still in Tora Bora.)

Bosch, speak on my behalf and you’ll REALLY think I’m shameful!

Man, I wish Bruno was here to liven the joint up even more…

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USinUK, well, you seem to think that Brown is somehow a saint in the UK. He’s far from it.

If the UK general public “understand” that Brown is “innocent of all counts” then how come he’s going to go down in flames in the next election?

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If you believe and you’re concerned about global warming you should turn off your electricity and park your car and leave the rest of us alone. Personally, I’m looking forward to hunting some polar bear, the other white meat!

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“I’m looking forward to hunting some polar bear, the other white meat!”

Just don’t eat the liver

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USinUK, I then why didn’t you say Bush Sr? I do remember well, for 8 years, you libs blamed Bush for everything.

Now that the tables have turned, you guys or in your case, girls, can’t seem to understand why people would hate the good and glorious Obama!

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“Jenifer, oh Jennifer, I don’t have a problem with you!”

Good! You really had me worried there for a minute!

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Jenifer, I’m sure I did!

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I think we have more important things to discuss. Like the E P A! Eric Holden, oh hel7 it just keeps going on & on & on. The fall and decline of the United States of America. Instead of barbarians taking over we have the college elite like Carl Marx, Lennin, Castro, harvard graduates, & on & on & on.

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LA –

“USinUK, well, you seem to think that Brown is somehow a saint in the UK. He’s far from it.”

wow. you are so … weird. where on EARTH are you getting that I or anyone else here thinks he’s a saint? I can’t stand the guy and hold him responsible for the pickle the UK economy is in.

just because he had nothing to do with the MP expenses scandal doesn’t mean we love him. far from it. most of the UK can’t stand him.

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LA,

Good job hanging in there over the last few days. I have no idea why Jay B decided to attack you right out of the box when you first showed up unless he’s just a bully that sensed a weakness. His myrmidons seem to be delighting in personal attacks on the one target, LA, that Jay B has made fair game, but you’re weathering the onslaught well. Keep up the good work.

The only tips I can offer is that you might want to triple check your facts and in the case of some of them even your spelling.

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Did FOXY news cover the aftermath of the ACORN story and the stuff about other companies defrauding the government. I can’t recall seeing anything on it. Perhaps LA knows the story and would share it with us.

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As the esteemed meterologist William Gray said, “This is just an ususal occurance, not anything “caused” by the actions of man. We have all been sold a bill of goods so that we will humbly bow to the UN, which declared their goal of world wide government just yesterday in Copenhagen. The UN has an agenda to take control of all you do and say and getting you to buy in to global warming is just a step in that direction. Check out UN Agenda 21 on youtube.

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Tips for the sock puppet.

Now that is funny.

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Taxpayer, I would not know. I watch MSNBC.

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Doggone – Feeling the Christmas spirit so soon? I would have thought you’d suggest I should eat the liver!
Bosch – That’s at least one area where we agree.

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Or perhaps a whale hunting expedition? Watch for the return of “Whale Wars”. All these panty wearing conservationist getting their hineys whipped by the Japanese then crying like 6 year olds.

Its hilarious.

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“Especially when one can call out their utter hypocrisy.”

And yet refuses to see their own.

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RW-(the original), Jay Bookman actually came out and defended me against Mrs. Godzilla, who has yet to apologize for accusing me of being someone else.

As far as facts go, I try but I get bombarded with 5 other attackers so it’s kind of hard at times. Spelling, yeah I should work on my grammar, huh?

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LA,

Call me whatever you want, but you refuse to see your own hypocrisy – we can all read here.

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Bosch, yes Bosch Gingrich, we can all read. We can read where you and others threw out name calling and snide remarks before I did.

How does it feel to be caught at your own game?

Bosch Gingrich (Master of hypocrisy)

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No…simply stated the kenyan is incompetent, immature, fraudulent, half-baked, dimwitted…etc.

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doggone – “Like Jesus?”

don’t forget Ghandi.

and MLK, Jr.

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SO….SO many gullible idiots on the Left—-Just morons

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Bosch Gingrich, I think it interesting that you poke fun at Christians yet throw out judgments upon other people. Kind of makes you…….judgmental!

Your kind is often quick to call Christians judgmental but here you are……being judgmental.

Pot meet kettle.

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getalife

“GE is Obama’s Haliburton”

Again, you cut through the fog -

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LA,

I really don’t know if there have been people attacking your spelling or grammar, but they’ll certainly go there when they can’t find anything else. I really don’t have time to read most of the comments so I didn’t know Jay B came to your defense once, I did see him going after you on one thread though and his disciples sure seem to think their job is to attack you.

Gotta run though. Enjoy !

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LA –

“USinUK, one, I never said I hate Obama. Not once. Your words not mine”

ah, by “people” you don’t mean you. got it. except that you don’t like him by your own admission.

meanwhile … you seem to enjoy flinging things around with no basis in fact … ACORN soliciting prostitutes, the PM in a porn scandal, people thinking the PM is a saint (yet still going down in flames, which I don’t quite understand your math on that one) …

seriously, dude. slow down. take a deep breath. think. and, when all else fails, follow RW’s advice and do a little fact-checking BEFORE your post … you’ll save yourself a world of embarassment.

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LA,

But you are calling ME a hypocrite – so when did I – me – Bosch call you a name?

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G’morning, Doggone/GA!

It may put it in context if I included parsey’s entire comment:

“Anyone want to discuss it? Any holes in the presentation? Any data collection or presentation that looked off? Were the conclusions sound?”

How nervewracking! I’m biting my nails.”

Amazing how people with a lack of curiosity yet with a supposed grand understanding love to toss out their barbs -

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getalife, as always you nails the nonsensical…

Might as well ask the conned to do a high school paper comparing and contrasting anthropogenic climate change and aliens with rectal probes…

Maybe I’ll change my name to Snidely Whiplash: Bondage Practitioner!

Either that or Studley Do Right…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhC_JJwlep0

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Hey, one of the socialists finally had the guts to say it-

“Dealing with climate change is not simply an issue of CO2 emission reduction but a comprehensive challenge involving political, economic, social, cultural and ecological issues, and the population concern fits right into the picture,” said Zhao, who is a member of the Chinese government delegation.

Opens the door for you, bookman.

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“Amazing how people with a lack of curiosity”

And maybe Parsley is like me…unable to view it now and hoping it will at least be discussed by those who CAN so we’ll have some idea of what’s in it and what the viewers think of it.

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Two, I don;t like President Obama because he’s broken most of his campaign promises.

Time to pull this out again.

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AmVet wrote:

Might as well ask the conned to do a high school paper comparing and contrasting anthropogenic climate change and aliens with rectal probes…

Hmmmmmm, do you know anything about those “probes”, AmVet?

LOLOL! That was a joke, don’t go R. Lee Ermy on me!

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That was some good investigative reporting on Bookman’s part.

What no one seems to understand is that Global WARMING is not the real threat. It is merely a symptom of,

Global ACCELERATION.

Planetory (or Global) ACCELERATION explains everything and there are people in Copenhagen studying up on it,

as we blog.

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Kamchack, that little blog is from: PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in American politics.

Nice try! That’s like a right winger pulling a fact checking poll from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh!

St. Pete Times is a left wing rag that is hemorrhaging money right now.

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Paul,

What the hell – I’ll listen too! I’m with Doggone – I can’t right now – numbers, numbers ya’ know.

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LA –

I’m sure you’re a fine, upstanding person who is nice to kids and keeps his front lawn looking good.

however, you really do seem to have an pathological need to dodge and weave when you’re proven incorrect.

seriously. I’m sure you’ll be an interesting addition to the group – but you need to slow down … READ what people actually wrote (not what you think they wrote) … and look stuff up BEFORE you comment.

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Bosch, why are you coming after one lone blogger, like myself? You’ve said nothing to the others, including yourself, about the name calling and snide remarks?

Again, hypocrisy, along with Newt, are your middle names.

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Bosch

Don’t know what happened to the other Paul. Popped up some time back and I asked him/her to change the moniker. Didn’t see it again. I kinda hoped people would know from the tone of the post it wasn’t me behind the name.

Just don’t listed to it after a couple meetings with our friend Scotch!

Back to the numbers? Look on the bright side – at least you won’t have to contend with puppy poop!

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USinUK, I’ve already stated that Acorn is under investigation for illegally soliciting prostitution. Other offenses include falsified voting registration and money laundering by the ex-CEO of Acorn.

You can deny that all you want but in the end, it’s the federal investigation that counts. Not some democrat “independent” investigation.

In other words, this “independent” investigation on Acorn is like having Dick Cheney’s daughter investigate Halliburton.

Bottom line: Makes no sense.

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LA,

I’ve never claimed NOT to be a hypocrite. We all are.

“You’ve said nothing to the others, including yourself, about the name calling and snide remarks?”

And YOU have? Really?

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It’s encouraging to see Bookman’s blogs hitting 5 pages. Not sure if it’s because he’s more interesting or if he’s getting lazier though. I can’t for the life of me see what’s so exciting about Global Warming though.

I’ll just sit back and admire USinUK and Doggone for a while!

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Hmmm, who pays for those studies and who stands to benefit from controlling the weather… government, that’s who!

Furthermore, CO2 currently in the atmosphere will be there for 100 years, methane for 20. And CO2 comprises less than 1/10 of one percent. So, we are going to empower government to regulate a trace element that can’t be reduced for 10 generations? Have we become that trusting of government? The founding fathers would shake their heads.

Here’s some facts for you; throughout history animals have adapted to gradual changes in their environment, period. Throughout civilization, governments have exploited the ignorance of the citizenry to increase their own control, period. So, why is blind faith in government acceptable to AGW advocates?

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Something for Jon Stewart fans to consider. Not scientific, by any stretch of the imagination, but DANG! Doesn’t speak well for the media or America’s news junkies.

Now that Walter Cronkite has passed on, who is America’s most trusted newscaster?

Notice the southern states are pretty much in line with the majority. Kinda knocks the “other side” off their high horse, doesn’t it?

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LA –

“USinUK, I’ve already stated that Acorn is under investigation for illegally soliciting prostitution. Other offenses include falsified voting registration and money laundering by the ex-CEO of Acorn.”

and you are incorrect about soliciting prostitution. if you have a link to show otherwise, I’d love to see it.

“In other words, this “independent” investigation on Acorn is like having Dick Cheney’s daughter investigate Halliburton.”

wow, you really don’t know any details about this issue, do you?

seriously. google. it’s your friend.

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Doggone/GA

We all have different styles of learning. The intro part builds a case – it’s pretty fascinating as he describes what he’s done and why. But to get to the heart of the matter you can skip to the last third or so as he explains how greenhouse gasses are different from other gasses and the charts that show what the models show if man’s activities are removed.

Oh, something that jumped out at me this time through. Much of the comment about some models has to do with the accuracy of prediction. The one this Dr. is using – past events follow the model. So it wasn’t as if data were finagled along the way to ‘make’ the future look like what they wanted it to.

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Good day, Southern Comfort

(Gotta say I miss the old AntiBallistic Missile moniker).

The guy’s presentation and take is different from anything I’d come across.

I like different.

Out for a bit -

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“USinUK and others, EAT CROW! EAT IT!”

awwwwwwwwww … him so desperate to get one right today, him jumps all over @@ like an itty bitty dog, weeing all over himself before he even looks at the map and realizes that it indicts a heckuva lot of RED states.

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USinUK @ 12:40, you mean like you’ve been acting with Gordon Brown and Acorn?

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USinUK, check the numbers on those red states.

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SoCo –

“Numbers are your friends…”

my friend! that’s what I’m saying! numbers can never be different things, open to interpretation. 5 is 5 is 5. (now, that can be 5 in the hole or 5 in the black, but 5 it remains)

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Bosch, I would love to get back to the topic at hand. Something that you and others don’t seem to want to discuss.

LA,

Do you recall your earlier response to my post regarding climate change. And, was that the extent of your discussion or perhaps you have offered up something more substantive in another post that you would care to point out, since I don’t try to go back and read everything any more so than most others here.

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Dear me. I cannot imagine myself arguing facts with USinUK unless I had researched the facts in about 17 different places and had personal experience. And then, I might think there was a valid other set of facts I was just not seeing. LA, the lady has a track record. Just say’n.

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“If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?”

Most of it evaporated and some is being made use of by the “WaterHeads”.

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LA – omg … you really are becoming hopeless.

I didn’t “prove” anything??? heck, even the article you just posted proved my point – they weren’t in trouble for soliciting prostitution. they were investigated about advising people on how to evade taxes.

“check the numbers on those red states”

ah. yeah. the numbers in the red states were pretty much on part with those of the blue states.

“USinUK @ 12:40, you mean like you’ve been acting with Gordon Brown and Acorn?”

really??? are you really comparing my responses to “EAT CROW! EAT IT!””

really???

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“If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?”

Who claims it “went” somewhere. That movie, “V”, is science fiction. The aliens have not come to harvest our resources and replenish their stock of cattle. Not really.

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Look at how the Urinal reports Blizzardus Giganticus-

Winds kick up as storm goes east

ew, wind!

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“If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?””

could someone please explain the physics of water displacement – I’m still researching securities.

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Hey y’all, ya miss me?

Been away for a while…as the Evil One said, I had other priorities.
Been trying to communicate with everyone I can think of, about stopping President Obama’s troop surge. You know me, BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

Also I see we have a new one in our midst. Who is LA anyway? First I saw of him was his asking Mrs G. for an apology..whew!
anyway once he satarted …WOW On this post, at 435 count LA had 86 of them. Intrigued, I found that he joined us at the Murdoch thread. He was 62 for 195 there…his best. From then to now he’s been doing about 20% of all posts. He sure does like to see himself in print…just sayin’

LA, is Jay paying you by the letter to pad his blog?

Phone’s ringing, gotta take this…be back later

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If we’re going jesus, I’m going trolling.

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USinUK:

I was more than happy to point out that red states & blue states, alike, voted for Stewart. The difference is the red states didn’t vote for Obama. The blue states (believing Stewart was the most trusted news source) did.

A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.

Don’t get me wrong, I think Stewart is hilarious! I simply realize his objective is to sell the left.

He was very successful at that in 2008.

The NYT presented a study on “The Psychology of Elections” (?). In a society skeptical of media. Only then will the voters rely on the lowest common denominator (i.e. Stewart) before touching the screen.

Sad but true.

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AmVet @ 1:01, you must be referring to Bosch Gingrich.

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Normal, nice to meet you. No, Mrs. Godzilla accused me of being someone else and Jay Bookman posted about me NOT being someone else.

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LA,

“PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in American politics. ”

So which on there do you disagree with?

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jewcowboy wrote: So which on there do you disagree with?

Not understanding your question.

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@@ –

“The difference is the red states didn’t vote for Obama. The blue states (believing Stewart was the most trusted news source) did.

A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.”

interesting math … but, no.

both the red states and the blue states were on par as far as the numbers of people who looked at JS as a “newscaster” — if conservatives were “not so easily fooled”, I don’t think you’d see the %%% of people who thought of him as a newscaster in the 40s.

like it or not, the majority of people in the US voted for Obama because he wasn’t McCain and Caribou Barbie. it had nothing to do with Jon Stewart, Katie Couric or Wolf Blitzer.

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“A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.”

Good one.

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Hey Normal. Welcome back!

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USinUK wrote: the majority of people in the US voted for Obama because he wasn’t McCain and Caribou Barbie.

That line is false. Every exit poll showed that the number 1 reason President Obama won was because of the state of the economy. Mccain said that he knew nothing about the economy. His words.

I voted for Obama for one reason: I wanted the economy back to normal.

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If OboboCare is so wonderful then why is Obobo, The First Lantern-Jaw, Congress, Senators and their families EXEMPT?

Page 114 line 22.

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“That line is false. Every exit poll showed that the number 1 reason President Obama won was because of the state of the economy. Mccain said that he knew nothing about the economy”

for the love of all that is holy, LA – people voted for Obama because they didn’t trust MCCAIN with the economy. or the war. or anything else.

jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebus on a pogo stick.

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“Jenifer, where are you getting the word “hate” from in that sentence?”

LA

December 10th, 2009
11:52 am
USinUK, I then why didn’t you say Bush Sr? I do remember well, for 8 years, you libs blamed Bush for everything.

Now that the tables have turned, you guys or in your case, girls, can’t seem to understand why people would hate the good and glorious Obama!

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Jenifer, I was making a point. For 8 years libs hammered Bush on everything. Called him stupid, made movies about him getting shot, etc…..

I certainly don’t hate the president. The sticker on my car proves it. I got it a week after the election from Moveon.org. Its a very nice sticker but he has made this supporter very very wary.

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AmVet wrote: “The current blog troll threat advisory level is orange. Please report any suspicious bloggers with a Jesus complex to the blogging moderator or to AJC authoritIes…

Wow, you and Mrs. Godzilla are two very paranoid figures.

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“Just as deniers use an odd snowstorm in Houston to scoff at claims that the planet is getting hotter, I could do the same”

Nice bit of rhetorical trickery there. So all “deniers” use the Houston snowstorm as evidence against global warming? If not, which ones do? Can you name them? Can we discuss their specific claims? Maybe we could discuss the global warming alarmists’ claims after Katrina that we were going to have more catastrophic Atlantic/Gulf hurricanes as a result of warming. Where are they? Sure was calm this year.

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Why the Blarney Stone are my comments awaiting moderation?

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global warming is real and so was GW’s failures.

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…are

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Kamchak, Thanks, it’s good to be back in the frey…ready? IT’S BUSH’S Fault!

LA, look at AmVet and Mrs. G with open eyes and mind and you will see they are good people.

Jewcowboy…Blarney Stone? OMG!!

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“I certainly don’t hate the president. The sticker on my car proves it.”

Okay……

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Part 2:

I took that to mean that you do not find the St. Pete Times to be a reputable news source and that their information is erroneous. If that is true…then which of the Promises Broken, Kept or Compromised do you find fault with? Which ones are not correct?

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USA Today…. New claims for unemployment benefits rise to 474,000.

WOW, and just last week I was telling you guys to wait until the January figures come out after so many will be laid off at year’s end.

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I voted for Obama because I wanted to trade dumb hillbilly smugness for some slick urban smugness.
works for me.

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Jay, those “statistics” that you quoted are entirely misleading. I can play your silly game though.

According to: http://ggweather.com/climate/extremes_us.htm

Of the 50 states, 37 had their RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE before 1950. 21 have had their RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE Since 1950. These statistics don’t mean much. It also doesn’t change the fact that there are 2 seperate issues here. The first, the issue of whether or not temperatures are actualy getting warmer, probably COULD be answered by a comprehensive NON-POLITICAL SCIENTIFIC STUDY of temperatures. Randomly choose a few hundred weather stations around the entire world and look at the temperature means from each for the last hundred years. It would either show astatistically significant increase or not. If that data were readily available on the internet ANY of us could do that study and settle the first issue once and for all.

The second, and I think more critical issue is, IF there is warming, is it caused by humans or is it just part of the natural climate cycles that have existed for thousands of years. There are way too many variables for science to EVER solve that issue and they really don’t have enough historical data to support any conclusions that they may arrive at.

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Nice analysis about records. There was a story put out a couple of months ago about this very real fact. Lots of records being broken recently.

But I just use golf as a method. It used to be that in winter, you didn’t golf.

Then in about 2002 I started golfing if it got above 70 degrees. It happened once or twice a winter until 2005 and 2006 and 2007 I was able to get out at least once a week all winter, played on Dec 26th, dec 29th, jan. 2nd. In fact I had to let these mid-winter outings go unplayed, I was spending too much on golf.

Last yeqar was cold and this winter will also be cold, but I think this is directly related to La Nina and the extended sunspot minimum.

It appears the sunspots may be coming back, slowly in October and November and we are already in a Moderate to Strong El Nino. Predictions arte for a very warm summer, and a massive melt of surface ice at the North Pole.
I just hope the Gulf Stream doesn’t slow further or we may face a European Ice Age sooner than we think.

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This is an editorial from the NY Times…………1920.

“That Professor Goddard, with his ‘chair’ in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react – to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.”

In 1969…the year of the Apollo moon mission…the NYT finally got around to issuing a correction for their 1920 mistake.

Same thing with Global ACCELERATION.

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LA,

I’m back and forth today. Just got back from delivering packages and I plan to start on a fresh loaf of bread in a few minutes. So, my post will be sporadic. Anyway, I am a fan of much science fiction. I’ve watched V and I’m trying to see if they’re just doing a remake of the original, I’m gonna eat you storyline with enhanced graphics or not. But, I get the biggest kick out of hearing the producers getting in their punchlines about their views on life or whatever. Then again, a lot of shows manage to get funding by working a particular perspective into the story line. Nothing really new there. Shows like V just add a whole new dimension to phrases like illegal aliens and secure borders, etc.

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Perhaps I am not using enough insults or profanity? Is that why comment needs moderation?

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I voted for George Bush (first time) for two reasons. He did not support the soft bigotry of low expectations…ergo NCLB, a bi-partisan approach that included liberal lion, Ted Kennedy.

His promotion of an “ownership society” whereby African Americans could own their own homes. Also something liberals supported. As it turned out, that decision contributed to our economic collapse. But it did so with the support of both parties. George Bush, at least, waved a red flag, when he saw where it was leading. The Democrats….Frank, Dodd and Franklin? Naaaahhhhh, no problem! Nothing to see here. Let’s move along now.

Second term? The terrorist threat and national defense. Hey! Obama’s on board with Bush’s policy. Soooooo?

Only thing missing is a heart for the battle. He’s just not that into it.

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Citezen of the worlds states:

Isn’t it funny how some laymen, with no empirical evidence of their own to refute climate change, will latch on to the slightest bit of anecdotal evidence or the most obscure of studies to deny its existence, rather than put their trust in the overwhelming, if not universal, consensus that global warming is upon us and manmade greenhouse gases are the cause.

They say they don’t “believe” in global warming. This isn’t something you believe in, like God or Santa Claus, this is something you “learn about” because a vast number of scientists have studied it and passed the knowledge onto us in hopes that we’ll act. That there are some scientists who have concluded global warming is not a threat (paid to come to that conclusion by the oil and coal industries) and some who disagree on exactly how it will play out is something else that we can “learn,” but let’s just quit talking about global warming as if it’s something you can take on faith or not, as you choose. That’s just anti-intellectual

There seems to be some inconsistencies to this argument. Let’s start at the top: “rather than put their trust in the overwhelming, if not universal, consensus that global warming is upon us and manmade”

Fortunately most of us know science isn’t about “trust” or “consensus”. In fact trust and consensus have no place in science. Science is about what you can prove, science is about repeatability, science is about sharing data so others can confirm or refute claims. Were consensus what drove science I fear the Earth would still be at the center of the universe, the climate may still be cooling (like in the 70’s), the earth is still 6000 years old, the continents not moving, the atom indivisible and the list goes on. Consensus means NOTHING. If you actually take a look at the scientists that are part of your consensus you will find an interesting assortment including Political Scientists, Engineers, Mathematicians, Philosophers, etc. In fact there are many climatologists that are very skeptical of the so called man made climate change. One significant name is William Grey from Colorado State University, there are more than 31,000 other scientists (here’s the list http://www.petitionproject.org/) with serious doubts as to the validity of the science put forth by the global warming community.

It’s important to note that the Earth has had periods where ice extended almost to the equator in the geologic past and there were times when the earth has been ice free. We (humans) have been keeping records for maybe 200 years. The earth is 4.65 billion years old. There are cycles on such a long period that we have not been keeping records long enough to witness or recognize the transitions. The sun has very long cycles that we have not yet begun to understand, we know the earths orbit, over time becomes more eccentric even though we have never witnessed it. What we don’t know is the impact to the earth within these cycles. Is the climate changing?? Of course, it always has and always will. Is the climate change caused by human activity? If so the impact is so negligible as to be virtually un-measurable. People, Global Warming is a political issue, not a climate or weather issue. You must wake up and face the truth.

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I agree with Jay 100% that short term weather changes do not predict future climate changes. However, neither does manufactured data and computer models. There are way too many factors in the climate for even the best scientist to state with any confidence that the world will heat or cool X amount over the next century. As Professor Hal Lewis, U. of Calif. says. At this point we cannot even show that CO2 causes an increase in temperature, rather than increasing temperatures causes an increase in CO2. You could use the same data climatologist are using and make just as strong an argument that the recent increase in temperatures has caused an increase in CO2

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