Atlanta and the hysterics of global warming
It was unseasonably, strangely warm yesterday, hitting a reported high of 68 (69 at the airport) in the middle of December. That’s 12 degrees warmer than the average Atlanta high for Dec. 9 of 56 degrees.
Now, if I were to adopt the debating technique of certain global-warming skeptics, I might seize upon yesterday’s freakish heat as proof that the scientists are right and that global warming is real. Just as deniers use an odd snowstorm in Houston to scoff at claims that the planet is getting hotter, I could do the same:
“Look how warm it was yesterday! Almost 70 in mid-December! How can you claim that global warming isn’t real?”
But of course, that would be wrong. It would be foolish. One day’s temperature is a matter of weather, not climate. One odd day, month, season, year or even a series of years tell us little about long-term climate trends. In addition, data from Atlanta or any other single monitoring station don’t tell us anything about trends globally.
As I was perusing the December record-temperature data at weather.com, though, I noticed something unusual.
The oldest record I could find from Atlanta goes back to 1880, giving us a temperature database of at least 129 years. Logically, daily record-high temperatures ought to be distributed fairly equally over that time period. Yet they’re not.
Of the 31 daily record highs in December, 24 have been set in the last 25 years, far more than logic suggests. Let me put that another way: Seven record daily highs for Atlanta were set in the first 104 years of record-keeping; 24 record highs have been set in the last 25 years. (Looking at the other end of the gauge, only 3 of 31 daily December lows have been set in the past quarter century, which is about what you’d expect in a normal distribution.)
Startled, I looked at January records. Nine of the 31 record highs that month have been set in the last 25 years. That’s a lot fewer than in December, but statistically, it’s also two or three times more than should be the case if all else were equal.
Now, even that does not constitute proof of global warming. At most, you can say that it is consistent with climate change — climatologists do warn that warming would be most noticeable in winter months. But even that claim might be stretching things too far.
As climate researchers would tell you, a lot of that apparent warming might be explained by the growing urbanization of Atlanta. The city has become a heat island of concrete and asphalt, which makes it complicated to compare today’s temperature records with those of 100 years ago. So researchers use various “tricks” to correct for that change — they have agreed-upon methods to account for the effect of heat islands, and they adjust the data accordingly.
In other words, it is not a simple matter. And given the complexity of the science, there would certainly be an opportunity for researchers to give the data a slight little finagle here, a tiny bit of exaggeration there, and — voila!! — global warming!
That’s roughly the version of reality that many global-warming skeptics are now asking their supporters to accept. Having largely lost the argument about a scientific consensus on the issue — the consensus is too solid to dismiss any longer — they now argue that the consensus itself is a fraud.
“At worst its junk science and it’s part of a massive international scientific fraud,” as U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., claims. Sensenbrenner is former chairman of both the House Science Committee and the House Judiciary Committee, and is now the ranking Republican member on the House Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming.
Of course, the narrative pushed by Sensenbrenner and others would require you to believe that smart people all over the world — most of whom who have wanted to be scientists all their lives and have worked hard to achieve that goal — have somehow gotten together to collude in this giant fraud. Depending on the day and the skeptic/theorist, the researchers were motivated to join that conspiracy by a lust for government research grants — although private industry would pay more for the opposite conclusion — or by some secret desire to promote socialism or even one-world government.
Since the late ’70s, as the story goes, scientists in the United States, Britain, Japan, Canada, France, Korea and many other nations have been perpetrating this silent fraud, and as young scientists emerged from universities they too have been secretly initiated into the priesthood. It’s a story right out of the books of Dan Brown, requiring the skills of a Robert Langdon to unravel.
Either that, or global warming is real.
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Paul
December 10th, 2009
12:19 pm
Doggone/GA
Maybe you could listen when you get home this evening? I’ve had little success persuading those who already know The Truth to consider anything that might challenge their thinking, let alone provide new knowledge.
And you interpreted parsley’s remarks much more kindly than did I. So hopefully parsley will also view it before tomorrow so we can have three? Four, including AmVet, who listened many months back.
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
12:20 pm
Paul,
What the hell – I’ll listen too!
I’m with Doggone – I can’t right now – numbers, numbers ya’ know.
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:20 pm
Bosch, nope, because you threw the first stone. I “dosed” out plenty of ammo today in my own defense against 3-4 different attack dogs. You being one of them
I love how you defend yourself and your ilk all while trying to label me. Interesting indeed.
Remember, I am not the one acting self-righteous. You are. I will defend myself against attacks whenever and however I feel.
You won’t, however, see me calling people trolls, morons, talibaptists, etc…
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:21 pm
LA –
I’m sure you’re a fine, upstanding person who is nice to kids and keeps his front lawn looking good.
however, you really do seem to have an pathological need to dodge and weave when you’re proven incorrect.
seriously. I’m sure you’ll be an interesting addition to the group – but you need to slow down … READ what people actually wrote (not what you think they wrote) … and look stuff up BEFORE you comment.
Scout
December 10th, 2009
12:21 pm
Headlines: “Georgia State student attacked, car stolen” / “Ga. Tech Student Stabbed Near Campus”
How come those undergraduate majors in criminology keep “whippin up” on those Tech and GSU students? Are they trying to get extra credit?
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:22 pm
Bosch, why are you coming after one lone blogger, like myself? You’ve said nothing to the others, including yourself, about the name calling and snide remarks?
Again, hypocrisy, along with Newt, are your middle names.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2009
12:22 pm
St. Pete Times is a left wing rag that is hemorrhaging money right now.
Blame the media? After thirty-five years, that card is getting really dog-eared.
Paul
December 10th, 2009
12:23 pm
Bosch
Don’t know what happened to the other Paul. Popped up some time back and I asked him/her to change the moniker. Didn’t see it again. I kinda hoped people would know from the tone of the post it wasn’t me behind the name.
Just don’t listed to it after a couple meetings with our friend Scotch!
Back to the numbers? Look on the bright side – at least you won’t have to contend with puppy poop!
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
12:23 pm
LA,
I will defend myself too –
“Jenifer, for you I blame public schools. OHhhhhhh, I just had to get that in there somewhere”
So instead of calling someone a moron – you have no problem in mocking children who go to public school – including my own?
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:24 pm
USinUK, I’ve already stated that Acorn is under investigation for illegally soliciting prostitution. Other offenses include falsified voting registration and money laundering by the ex-CEO of Acorn.
You can deny that all you want but in the end, it’s the federal investigation that counts. Not some democrat “independent” investigation.
In other words, this “independent” investigation on Acorn is like having Dick Cheney’s daughter investigate Halliburton.
Bottom line: Makes no sense.
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
12:25 pm
“Maybe you could listen when you get home this evening?”
I should be able to…but I warn you, I’m not very good at critical thinking about spoken words. I’m better at written.
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
12:25 pm
LA,
I’ve never claimed NOT to be a hypocrite. We all are.
“You’ve said nothing to the others, including yourself, about the name calling and snide remarks?”
And YOU have? Really?
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:27 pm
Bosch, you must have failed English. If you read THE VERY NEXT LINE, I PUT A SMILEY FACE BESIDE THAT LINE AND MADE A JOKE. Even Jennifer got that.
Mocking school children????????????? Wow, you really have some issues don’t you!
Hmmmm, what can I use against Bosch. Oh, here’s one. You said moron! You must really hate mentally handicapped kids.
Grow up Bosch Gingrich. If you want to be a self-righteous crusader then go join the NAACP! Oops, now you will label me as a racist.
It never ends with you does it?
Innocent Bystander
December 10th, 2009
12:27 pm
It’s encouraging to see Bookman’s blogs hitting 5 pages. Not sure if it’s because he’s more interesting or if he’s getting lazier though. I can’t for the life of me see what’s so exciting about Global Warming though.
I’ll just sit back and admire USinUK and Doggone for a while!
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:28 pm
Bosch @ 12:25 wrote: And YOU have? Really?
???????????????????????????
Bosch Gingrich, what planet do you live on?
Scooter
December 10th, 2009
12:29 pm
Hmmm, who pays for those studies and who stands to benefit from controlling the weather… government, that’s who!
Furthermore, CO2 currently in the atmosphere will be there for 100 years, methane for 20. And CO2 comprises less than 1/10 of one percent. So, we are going to empower government to regulate a trace element that can’t be reduced for 10 generations? Have we become that trusting of government? The founding fathers would shake their heads.
Here’s some facts for you; throughout history animals have adapted to gradual changes in their environment, period. Throughout civilization, governments have exploited the ignorance of the citizenry to increase their own control, period. So, why is blind faith in government acceptable to AGW advocates?
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:30 pm
Bosch, I would love to get back to the topic at hand. Something that you and others don’t seem to want to discuss.
@@
December 10th, 2009
12:32 pm
Something for Jon Stewart fans to consider. Not scientific, by any stretch of the imagination, but DANG! Doesn’t speak well for the media or America’s news junkies.
Now that Walter Cronkite has passed on, who is America’s most trusted newscaster?
Notice the southern states are pretty much in line with the majority. Kinda knocks the “other side” off their high horse, doesn’t it?
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:33 pm
@@, LOLOLOLOL
USinUK and others, EAT CROW! EAT IT!
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:35 pm
LA –
“USinUK, I’ve already stated that Acorn is under investigation for illegally soliciting prostitution. Other offenses include falsified voting registration and money laundering by the ex-CEO of Acorn.”
and you are incorrect about soliciting prostitution. if you have a link to show otherwise, I’d love to see it.
“In other words, this “independent” investigation on Acorn is like having Dick Cheney’s daughter investigate Halliburton.”
wow, you really don’t know any details about this issue, do you?
seriously. google. it’s your friend.
Southern Comfort
December 10th, 2009
12:35 pm
Bosch
My degree field was Mathematics. Numbers are your friends…
Paul
Once I get home from work, I’ll have a listen to that link. I don’t recall you posting it when I’ve been reading anything on GW.
I wish I had popcorn here, because y’all are one entertaining group.
Paul
December 10th, 2009
12:37 pm
Doggone/GA
We all have different styles of learning. The intro part builds a case – it’s pretty fascinating as he describes what he’s done and why. But to get to the heart of the matter you can skip to the last third or so as he explains how greenhouse gasses are different from other gasses and the charts that show what the models show if man’s activities are removed.
Oh, something that jumped out at me this time through. Much of the comment about some models has to do with the accuracy of prediction. The one this Dr. is using – past events follow the model. So it wasn’t as if data were finagled along the way to ‘make’ the future look like what they wanted it to.
NICK
December 10th, 2009
12:37 pm
Just blame Global Warming on Bush, too! That seems to be “the excuse” used by all worthless, lazy, uneducated, free loading liberals…
Paul
December 10th, 2009
12:39 pm
Good day, Southern Comfort
(Gotta say I miss the old AntiBallistic Missile moniker).
The guy’s presentation and take is different from anything I’d come across.
I like different.
Out for a bit -
Southern Comfort
December 10th, 2009
12:39 pm
Jay,
Have you thought about instituting a troll warning systems? Maybe like color-coding your posts so we know which ones we’ll have to scroll thru the most.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:40 pm
“USinUK and others, EAT CROW! EAT IT!”
awwwwwwwwww … him so desperate to get one right today, him jumps all over @@ like an itty bitty dog, weeing all over himself before he even looks at the map and realizes that it indicts a heckuva lot of RED states.
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:40 pm
USinUK, you’ve not once, provided anything on just why Acorn is being investigated. Not one.
Obama Backs ACORN Investigation
President Says Video Showing Group’s Workers Advising Couple Posing as Prostitute, Pimp to Lie Merits Probe
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/21/politics/main5326235.shtml
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
USinUK @ 12:40, you mean like you’ve been acting with Gordon Brown and Acorn?
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
12:41 pm
Southern Comfort,
NO, numbers = puppies.
LA
December 10th, 2009
12:42 pm
USinUK, check the numbers on those red states.
Skip
December 10th, 2009
12:44 pm
If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:44 pm
SoCo –
“Numbers are your friends…”
my friend! that’s what I’m saying! numbers can never be different things, open to interpretation. 5 is 5 is 5. (now, that can be 5 in the hole or 5 in the black, but 5 it remains)
Southern Comfort
December 10th, 2009
12:45 pm
Bosch
Can’t think of puppies. The only puppies I see at work come in sizes with numbers followed by a letter, usually c or d.
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
12:45 pm
Bosch, I would love to get back to the topic at hand. Something that you and others don’t seem to want to discuss.
LA,
Do you recall your earlier response to my post regarding climate change. And, was that the extent of your discussion or perhaps you have offered up something more substantive in another post that you would care to point out, since I don’t try to go back and read everything any more so than most others here.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
12:45 pm
“Now that the tables have turned, you guys or in your case, girls, can’t seem to understand why people would hate the good and glorious Obama!”
I wonder, would any of these people who hate Obama happen to be Christian?
Gale
December 10th, 2009
12:46 pm
Dear me. I cannot imagine myself arguing facts with USinUK unless I had researched the facts in about 17 different places and had personal experience. And then, I might think there was a valid other set of facts I was just not seeing. LA, the lady has a track record. Just say’n.
Southern Comfort
December 10th, 2009
12:47 pm
U-n-U
We had a professor who showed one of his classes that 2+2=5 or something like that. He used some long, drawn out method. I hated that I didn’t get to see it.
Outhouse Go-Kart
December 10th, 2009
12:47 pm
“If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?”
Most of it evaporated and some is being made use of by the “WaterHeads”.
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
12:49 pm
Crow! Tastes like chicken.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:51 pm
LA – omg … you really are becoming hopeless.
I didn’t “prove” anything??? heck, even the article you just posted proved my point – they weren’t in trouble for soliciting prostitution. they were investigated about advising people on how to evade taxes.
“check the numbers on those red states”
ah. yeah. the numbers in the red states were pretty much on part with those of the blue states.
“USinUK @ 12:40, you mean like you’ve been acting with Gordon Brown and Acorn?”
really??? are you really comparing my responses to “EAT CROW! EAT IT!””
really???
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
12:51 pm
“We had a professor who showed one of his classes that 2+2=5 or ”
I’d almost be willing to bet it was the old “1/2 of 11 is 6″ trick.
The Roman numerals for 11 are XI…if you draw a line right across that, horizontally, and flip the bottom half upside down you get 2 instances of VI – which = 6
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
12:52 pm
“If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?”
Who claims it “went” somewhere. That movie, “V”, is science fiction. The aliens have not come to harvest our resources and replenish their stock of cattle. Not really.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:53 pm
SoCo –
“We had a professor who showed one of his classes that 2+2=5 or something like that”
nooooooooooooooo!!! don’t take away the one thing I can rely on!!!!
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 10th, 2009
12:53 pm
Look at how the Urinal reports Blizzardus Giganticus-
Winds kick up as storm goes east
ew, wind!
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
12:56 pm
““If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?””
If you put ice in a glass of water and let it sit for a few hours, and you come back and the ice is gone…where did it go?
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
12:57 pm
“If 40% of the ice has melted where did all the water go?””
could someone please explain the physics of water displacement – I’m still researching securities.
Jake
December 10th, 2009
12:59 pm
Global warming – true
Significant man-made causes – maybe
significant results – maybe more good than bad
cap and trade will solve – false
Obama will solve – false
Kyoto protocol increased carbon emissions – true
Normal
December 10th, 2009
1:00 pm
Hey y’all, ya miss me?
Been away for a while…as the Evil One said, I had other priorities.
Been trying to communicate with everyone I can think of, about stopping President Obama’s troop surge. You know me, BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!
Also I see we have a new one in our midst. Who is LA anyway? First I saw of him was his asking Mrs G. for an apology..whew!
anyway once he satarted …WOW On this post, at 435 count LA had 86 of them. Intrigued, I found that he joined us at the Murdoch thread. He was 62 for 195 there…his best. From then to now he’s been doing about 20% of all posts. He sure does like to see himself in print…just sayin’
LA, is Jay paying you by the letter to pad his blog?
Phone’s ringing, gotta take this…be back later
AmVet
December 10th, 2009
1:01 pm
Bosch, time to turn the table on ya, my bruhvah!
YOU and YOUR ILK are the ones that need to be ashamed!!
Southern Comfort,
“The current blog troll threat advisory level is orange. Please report any suspicious bloggers with a Jesus complex to the blogging moderator or to AJC authoritIes…
Jake
December 10th, 2009
1:03 pm
If we’re going jesus, I’m going trolling.
godisanatheist
December 10th, 2009
1:04 pm
If there is a omnipotent and loving god, there wouldn’t be any global warming.
@@
December 10th, 2009
1:04 pm
USinUK:
I was more than happy to point out that red states & blue states, alike, voted for Stewart. The difference is the red states didn’t vote for Obama. The blue states (believing Stewart was the most trusted news source) did.
A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Stewart is hilarious! I simply realize his objective is to sell the left.
He was very successful at that in 2008.
The NYT presented a study on “The Psychology of Elections” (?). In a society skeptical of media. Only then will the voters rely on the lowest common denominator (i.e. Stewart) before touching the screen.
Sad but true.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:04 pm
Taxpayer, no, I got off topic. But I would really like to discuss this topic.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:05 pm
AmVet @ 1:01, you must be referring to Bosch Gingrich.
Southern Comfort
December 10th, 2009
1:06 pm
Doggone
I don’t know how he did it. This guy is beyond comprehension when it comes to math.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:06 pm
Normal, nice to meet you. No, Mrs. Godzilla accused me of being someone else and Jay Bookman posted about me NOT being someone else.
pat
December 10th, 2009
1:06 pm
Warming and cooling trends aren’t in question. It’s the cause, you say man did it, we say nature did it. Plain and simple. The winters have been temperate, but the summers have been cooler than normal save for one montth in 2007. Forgive me if I don’t panic.
BTW, That 1980 Corrola you drive is an emissions pig.
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:07 pm
LA,
“PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in American politics. ”
So which on there do you disagree with?
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:08 pm
USinUK,
1: YES! It does prove just what you said it did not.
2: (Sigh) We’re never going to agree on anything.
Nice talking with you.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:09 pm
jewcowboy wrote: So which on there do you disagree with?
Not understanding your question.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:10 pm
Taxpayer, you a fan of V? I LOOOOOOOOOOVE the old and new ones. Can’t wait until the season begins in March of next year.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
1:11 pm
@@ –
“The difference is the red states didn’t vote for Obama. The blue states (believing Stewart was the most trusted news source) did.
A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.”
interesting math … but, no.
both the red states and the blue states were on par as far as the numbers of people who looked at JS as a “newscaster” — if conservatives were “not so easily fooled”, I don’t think you’d see the %%% of people who thought of him as a newscaster in the 40s.
like it or not, the majority of people in the US voted for Obama because he wasn’t McCain and Caribou Barbie. it had nothing to do with Jon Stewart, Katie Couric or Wolf Blitzer.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:12 pm
Jenifer, where are you getting the word “hate” from in that sentence?
Dislike and hate are not one in the same. I voted for President Obama but I now dislike his policies and see him for what he is now. A president who broke most of his campaign promises.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
1:12 pm
“A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.”
Good one.
Willie
December 10th, 2009
1:13 pm
My son just emailed me this concerning the messiah’s nobel affirmative action prize:
“I think this is why I will consider the Nobel Peace no more than a toy you find in a Cracker Jack box from this day.”
I did good rearing my son. Dont you think PLL?
Kamchak
December 10th, 2009
1:14 pm
Hey Normal. Welcome back!
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
1:14 pm
LA –
“YES! It does prove just what you said it did not”
oh, my. I think I see the problem – you don’t understand what it means when you say “they solicited prostitutes”.
if someone goes into their office and POSES as a pimp and prostitute and ASKS them for advice, that is NOT soliciting a prostitute.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:14 pm
USinUK wrote: the majority of people in the US voted for Obama because he wasn’t McCain and Caribou Barbie.
That line is false. Every exit poll showed that the number 1 reason President Obama won was because of the state of the economy. Mccain said that he knew nothing about the economy. His words.
I voted for Obama for one reason: I wanted the economy back to normal.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
1:15 pm
and with that, I’m heading home … have a good night!
Outhouse Go-Kart
December 10th, 2009
1:15 pm
If OboboCare is so wonderful then why is Obobo, The First Lantern-Jaw, Congress, Senators and their families EXEMPT?
Page 114 line 22.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:15 pm
USinUK, (sigh), again, we’ll never agree on anything. You see things through a democrat spectrum. Nothing more nothing less. If this had been about Diebold you’d be ALL over it.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
1:16 pm
“That line is false. Every exit poll showed that the number 1 reason President Obama won was because of the state of the economy. Mccain said that he knew nothing about the economy”
for the love of all that is holy, LA – people voted for Obama because they didn’t trust MCCAIN with the economy. or the war. or anything else.
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeebus on a pogo stick.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:18 pm
pat, that’s a very interesting point. This past summer was very cool indeed. All across the country. Yes, the older cars do give off more emissions. That’s what cash for clunkers was intended for.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
1:18 pm
“Jenifer, where are you getting the word “hate” from in that sentence?”
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:52 am
USinUK, I then why didn’t you say Bush Sr? I do remember well, for 8 years, you libs blamed Bush for everything.
Now that the tables have turned, you guys or in your case, girls, can’t seem to understand why people would hate the good and glorious Obama!
eddy
December 10th, 2009
1:20 pm
And so if global warming is occurring, what is it specifically do we do to stop it? Oh by the way, please cite the scientific examples, verified independently, and the results that substantiate that mankind can stop global warming!!! Where is the proof versus the bluster and bs that we can stop it if we do the following things…..stop the emission of CO2, we’ll we can all stop breathing and that would eliminate our production of C02..isn’t photosynthesis dependent upon production of C02…..I guess I’ve missed all of the scientific experiments that have demonstrated man’s ability to alter the climate. Silly me, probably was covered on the View.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:20 pm
Jenifer, I was making a point. For 8 years libs hammered Bush on everything. Called him stupid, made movies about him getting shot, etc…..
I certainly don’t hate the president. The sticker on my car proves it. I got it a week after the election from Moveon.org. Its a very nice sticker but he has made this supporter very very wary.
ITP Conservative
December 10th, 2009
1:22 pm
You liberals would be hilarious if you didn’t vote. However, understanding that liberalism a mental disorder, I do have pity on you.
Global Warming, uh I mean man-made climate change is a hoax. How is that Hoax and Change working out for you? At least 53% of America is now smart enough to realize a group of charlatans occupy the White House and run Congress.
Liberals never let facts get in the way of a good cause.
LA
December 10th, 2009
1:22 pm
AmVet wrote: “The current blog troll threat advisory level is orange. Please report any suspicious bloggers with a Jesus complex to the blogging moderator or to AJC authoritIes…
Wow, you and Mrs. Godzilla are two very paranoid figures.
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:23 pm
“A liberal is easily fooled. Conservatives? Not so much.”
Is that like:
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
Bubba
December 10th, 2009
1:26 pm
“Just as deniers use an odd snowstorm in Houston to scoff at claims that the planet is getting hotter, I could do the same”
Nice bit of rhetorical trickery there. So all “deniers” use the Houston snowstorm as evidence against global warming? If not, which ones do? Can you name them? Can we discuss their specific claims? Maybe we could discuss the global warming alarmists’ claims after Katrina that we were going to have more catastrophic Atlantic/Gulf hurricanes as a result of warming. Where are they? Sure was calm this year.
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:27 pm
OK lets try again….
My original is awaiting moderation..(scratch head)…but here it is again.
LA,
“Not understanding your question.”
You wrote,”Nice try! That’s like a right winger pulling a fact checking poll from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh!
St. Pete Times is a left wing r@g that is h3morrhaging money right now.”
I took that to mean that you do not find the St. Pete Times to be a reputable news source and that their information is erroneous. If that is true…then which of the Promises Broken, Kept or Compromised do you find fault with? Which ones are not correct?
You did read them all, right? I mean you wouldn’t dismiss the information contained within as untruthful simply because you do not like the source. You would have read them all and found incorrect information in order to justify your response, correct?
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:28 pm
Why the Blarney Stone are my comments awaiting moderation?
John J
December 10th, 2009
1:29 pm
Read Michael Chrichtons “State of Fear” if you want some real insight into the guys who run “global warming”. I know it is fiction but he did 5 years of research and the book is loaded with well documented facts. A great, albeit scary read.
FrankLeeDarling
December 10th, 2009
1:30 pm
global warming is real and so was GW’s failures.
@@
December 10th, 2009
1:32 pm
like it or not, the majority of people in the US voted for Obama because he wasn’t McCain and Caribou Barbie.
Interesting!
The lesser of two evils?
He was black?
He “PROMISED” change?
He was a Washington outsider?
He talked purdy?
He wrote a book?
He graduated from Harvard?
He had “EXECUTIVE” experience?
He was well-versed in economics.
You were inspired by what, exactly?????
FrankLeeDarling
December 10th, 2009
1:33 pm
…are
AmVet
December 10th, 2009
1:33 pm
jewcosboy, just thinking of that trip-over-his-tongue buffoon makes me laugh. But only NOW, that the serial disaster can no longer f up everything he touches.
expat, how’s things across the pond?
Are you insinuating that the American electorate humiliated the neo-cons in back to back and in epic fashion – as in throwing them out in 94%(!!!) of the contested races – because the Bungling BushCo said he was going to clean up Washington and then shiite ALL over the White House?
Or that he promised to clean up Wall Street and then orchestrated the final siege of the corporate destruction of capitalism? Costing untold numbrs of Americans everything they owned?
Or that he cooked the books and BS’ed his way into utterly botching an invasion and occupation and in the process ruined untold numbers of American families needlessly?
Or that he coddled fascists and polluters and squashed all dissenting voices across the board?
Or that he brought TV charlatans and monied Jesus frauds into the inner sanctums of government?
Or that he employed left over thugs and misfits from the Reagan Administration?
Yeah, maybe I’m wrong.
The electorate voted for the Uppity Muslim simply because of the “economy”.
Too freaking funny…
Normal
December 10th, 2009
1:34 pm
Kamchak, Thanks, it’s good to be back in the frey…ready? IT’S BUSH’S Fault!
LA, look at AmVet and Mrs. G with open eyes and mind and you will see they are good people.
Jewcowboy…Blarney Stone? OMG!!
Normal
December 10th, 2009
1:35 pm
There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
My Granney used to say…:fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, I shoot you” Worked for her…
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
1:36 pm
“I certainly don’t hate the president. The sticker on my car proves it.”
Okay……
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:37 pm
Check to see what the problem is:
Part 1:
LA,
“Not understanding your question.”
You wrote,”Nice try! That’s like a right winger pulling a fact checking poll from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh!
St. Pete Times is a left wing rag that is hemorrhaging money right now.”
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:38 pm
Part 2:
I took that to mean that you do not find the St. Pete Times to be a reputable news source and that their information is erroneous. If that is true…then which of the Promises Broken, Kept or Compromised do you find fault with? Which ones are not correct?
Mr Right
December 10th, 2009
1:39 pm
Obama won the peace prize!! So did Arafat. Can’t be much of a prize.
GaNative
December 10th, 2009
1:39 pm
USA Today…. New claims for unemployment benefits rise to 474,000.
WOW, and just last week I was telling you guys to wait until the January figures come out after so many will be laid off at year’s end.
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:39 pm
Part 2b:
If that is true…then which of the Promises Broken, Kept or Compromised do you find fault with? Which ones are not correct?
FrankLeeDarling
December 10th, 2009
1:40 pm
I voted for Obama because I wanted to trade dumb hillbilly smugness for some slick urban smugness.
works for me.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
1:40 pm
“Its a very nice sticker but he has made this supporter very very wary.”
I must admit he’s a bit too far to the right for my satisfaction as well.
chuck
December 10th, 2009
1:40 pm
Jay, those “statistics” that you quoted are entirely misleading. I can play your silly game though.
According to: http://ggweather.com/climate/extremes_us.htm
Of the 50 states, 37 had their RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE before 1950. 21 have had their RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE Since 1950. These statistics don’t mean much. It also doesn’t change the fact that there are 2 seperate issues here. The first, the issue of whether or not temperatures are actualy getting warmer, probably COULD be answered by a comprehensive NON-POLITICAL SCIENTIFIC STUDY of temperatures. Randomly choose a few hundred weather stations around the entire world and look at the temperature means from each for the last hundred years. It would either show astatistically significant increase or not. If that data were readily available on the internet ANY of us could do that study and settle the first issue once and for all.
The second, and I think more critical issue is, IF there is warming, is it caused by humans or is it just part of the natural climate cycles that have existed for thousands of years. There are way too many variables for science to EVER solve that issue and they really don’t have enough historical data to support any conclusions that they may arrive at.
jewcowboy
December 10th, 2009
1:41 pm
So which word needs moderation in this?
“I took that to m3an that you d0 not find the St. P3te Times to be a r3putable n3ws s0urce and th@t their information is 3rroneous.”
Earl_E
December 10th, 2009
1:41 pm
Nice analysis about records. There was a story put out a couple of months ago about this very real fact. Lots of records being broken recently.
But I just use golf as a method. It used to be that in winter, you didn’t golf.
Then in about 2002 I started golfing if it got above 70 degrees. It happened once or twice a winter until 2005 and 2006 and 2007 I was able to get out at least once a week all winter, played on Dec 26th, dec 29th, jan. 2nd. In fact I had to let these mid-winter outings go unplayed, I was spending too much on golf.
Last yeqar was cold and this winter will also be cold, but I think this is directly related to La Nina and the extended sunspot minimum.
It appears the sunspots may be coming back, slowly in October and November and we are already in a Moderate to Strong El Nino. Predictions arte for a very warm summer, and a massive melt of surface ice at the North Pole.
I just hope the Gulf Stream doesn’t slow further or we may face a European Ice Age sooner than we think.