Atlanta and the hysterics of global warming
It was unseasonably, strangely warm yesterday, hitting a reported high of 68 (69 at the airport) in the middle of December. That’s 12 degrees warmer than the average Atlanta high for Dec. 9 of 56 degrees.
Now, if I were to adopt the debating technique of certain global-warming skeptics, I might seize upon yesterday’s freakish heat as proof that the scientists are right and that global warming is real. Just as deniers use an odd snowstorm in Houston to scoff at claims that the planet is getting hotter, I could do the same:
“Look how warm it was yesterday! Almost 70 in mid-December! How can you claim that global warming isn’t real?”
But of course, that would be wrong. It would be foolish. One day’s temperature is a matter of weather, not climate. One odd day, month, season, year or even a series of years tell us little about long-term climate trends. In addition, data from Atlanta or any other single monitoring station don’t tell us anything about trends globally.
As I was perusing the December record-temperature data at weather.com, though, I noticed something unusual.
The oldest record I could find from Atlanta goes back to 1880, giving us a temperature database of at least 129 years. Logically, daily record-high temperatures ought to be distributed fairly equally over that time period. Yet they’re not.
Of the 31 daily record highs in December, 24 have been set in the last 25 years, far more than logic suggests. Let me put that another way: Seven record daily highs for Atlanta were set in the first 104 years of record-keeping; 24 record highs have been set in the last 25 years. (Looking at the other end of the gauge, only 3 of 31 daily December lows have been set in the past quarter century, which is about what you’d expect in a normal distribution.)
Startled, I looked at January records. Nine of the 31 record highs that month have been set in the last 25 years. That’s a lot fewer than in December, but statistically, it’s also two or three times more than should be the case if all else were equal.
Now, even that does not constitute proof of global warming. At most, you can say that it is consistent with climate change — climatologists do warn that warming would be most noticeable in winter months. But even that claim might be stretching things too far.
As climate researchers would tell you, a lot of that apparent warming might be explained by the growing urbanization of Atlanta. The city has become a heat island of concrete and asphalt, which makes it complicated to compare today’s temperature records with those of 100 years ago. So researchers use various “tricks” to correct for that change — they have agreed-upon methods to account for the effect of heat islands, and they adjust the data accordingly.
In other words, it is not a simple matter. And given the complexity of the science, there would certainly be an opportunity for researchers to give the data a slight little finagle here, a tiny bit of exaggeration there, and — voila!! — global warming!
That’s roughly the version of reality that many global-warming skeptics are now asking their supporters to accept. Having largely lost the argument about a scientific consensus on the issue — the consensus is too solid to dismiss any longer — they now argue that the consensus itself is a fraud.
“At worst its junk science and it’s part of a massive international scientific fraud,” as U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., claims. Sensenbrenner is former chairman of both the House Science Committee and the House Judiciary Committee, and is now the ranking Republican member on the House Select Committee for Energy Independence and Global Warming.
Of course, the narrative pushed by Sensenbrenner and others would require you to believe that smart people all over the world — most of whom who have wanted to be scientists all their lives and have worked hard to achieve that goal — have somehow gotten together to collude in this giant fraud. Depending on the day and the skeptic/theorist, the researchers were motivated to join that conspiracy by a lust for government research grants — although private industry would pay more for the opposite conclusion — or by some secret desire to promote socialism or even one-world government.
Since the late ’70s, as the story goes, scientists in the United States, Britain, Japan, Canada, France, Korea and many other nations have been perpetrating this silent fraud, and as young scientists emerged from universities they too have been secretly initiated into the priesthood. It’s a story right out of the books of Dan Brown, requiring the skills of a Robert Langdon to unravel.
Either that, or global warming is real.
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USinUK
December 10th, 2009
10:56 am
“what I find interesting is that a lot of libs consider John Stewart real news. THAT is funny.”
um. and WHICH “libs” would those be???
JackLeg
December 10th, 2009
10:56 am
Let’s put this in a way that eve a liberal can understand, we have been in “Global Warming” since the last ice age. Now when “Global Warming” starts cooling we will have ” Global Cooling” till the end of our next ice age, guess what happens then, duh “Global Warming”.
Yosarian
December 10th, 2009
10:57 am
“just as deniers use an odd snowstorm in Houston to scoff at claims that the planet is getting hotter, I could do the same”.
…and in fact that’s exactly what liberals have done and still do. For one example; the recent climax of a reoccurring Hurricane *cycle*(Katrina,etc.)that liberals touted as ‘evidence’ of AGW.
Sure Glaciers are melting…they go through cycles just like hurricanes.
The current retreat of glaciers has been repeated before
(previous to the fossel fuel era) and to an even greater effect in the past. Glaciers move on their own melting- the more they melt- the faster they move. The current *cycle* of iceberg calving, could be from the culmitive effect of the 1970-1999 warming *cycle* ,or, ocean current shifts, geothrmal activity, etc. There are many theories for the current retreat of glaciers, the AGW theory is only one of them. (Try not to be so narrow minded -for a change- ‘progressives’).
Just imagine the controversy if ALL of the CRU emails had been leaked!
CRU’s 12 years of rejecting scientist’s requests for data is the antithesis of the scientific method…that makes them and all their apologists- the true deniers.
Mrs. Godzilla
December 10th, 2009
10:57 am
USinUK
I can say fer sure…Cheez Whiz is a hoax.
but it melts smoothly
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
10:58 am
USinUK,
The imaginary ones in his brain.
I hate numbers, how is it possible that you work in the finance biz and not feel the urge to fling yourself out the window on a daily basis?
LA
December 10th, 2009
10:59 am
USinUK, um…..the ones that watch the Daily Show.
Paul
December 10th, 2009
11:00 am
Bosch
The first paragraph of your 10:51 reminded me of reading Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
sam 10:41
So if you don’t believe some of their commentators you must be a climate change/global warming denier?
Citizen 10:41
Credit to N-GA. I just restated it.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:00 am
Bosch –
“how is it possible that you work in the finance biz and not feel the urge to fling yourself out the window on a daily basis”
I’d MUCH rather faff around on a spread sheet or play with a pivot table than do what I’m doing now (going through a long-a$$ list of securities on Bloomberg, trying to find out if they’re guaranteed or not) … numbers are your friends … they are what they are
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:01 am
Bosch, I love your hypocrisy. I really do. Yesterday you chided me over this and that……..and here you are insulting me.
You wrote: The imaginary ones in his brain.
No Bosch, I have MANY liberal friends. And most of them get their news from the Daily Show. Hell, lots of people thought Tina Fey was really Sara Palin. Shows how ignorant and downright stupid some people are.
But you’re not one of those people, right?
Paul
December 10th, 2009
11:02 am
Bosch
I always had a tough time with numbers. Then, one day, I saw numbers with a $ sign in front and I aced all the courses.
AmVet
December 10th, 2009
11:02 am
As I will continue to contend, the naysayers are of no real import.
To paraphrase Dan Patrick of ESPN fame, “They can’t stop us, they can only hope to contain us!”
getalife, that is generally the crux of the pre-Enlightenment Era right-wing debate…
Paul
December 10th, 2009
11:02 am
Bosch
Okay, nearly all. I think there was one early on that I missed -
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:03 am
AmVet, I guess you don’t want to discuss our “issues” do you?
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:04 am
USinUK,
“numbers are your friends … they are what they are”
So, I have to think of them kind of like puppies. They love me unconditionally, I just have to love them back and a jolly good time will be had by all!!! OK!!! Let’s do it!!
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:05 am
Paul,
I have a new way to look at things:
Numbers = Puppies. Now, I got it!!
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:05 am
Shouldn’t temps be going up, according to the narrative that is being hysterically portrayed by the left?
I see hysterics to the left of me, loons to the right, here I am, wishing more were truly stuck in the middle when it comes to science. Science is not about hysterics or right or wrong. It’s about a search for knowledge and understanding. Unfortunately, the hysterics from some just leave others with the wrong impression on issues such as climate change and even drive the normally calm and collect to displays of frustration from time to time. Then again, that probably is an acceptable return on investment for folks such as Koch and others. (Yes, follow the money is still a worthwhile venture in far too many “causes”, as many have pointed out.)
So, should temps be going up? Not necessarily. Actually, if you apply about 334 Joules of “heat” to a gram of ice at 0C, you’ll just turn the ice to water at 0C. So, if you are melting millions of kilograms of ice, you need a LOT of energy. Once the ice is melted, the application of more “heat” will cause the temperature of the water to rise. There’s more on the subject here. Of course, this is just one site that I happen to like because it covers a lot of arguments from skeptics in one location and it has links/references to a lot of source material, in case you want to dig even deeper into the background work. I’m sure other folks have their own sources that they prefer.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:06 am
LA –
“USinUK, um…..the ones that watch the Daily Show”
hate to break it to you, but I watch the Daily Show cuz he funny, not because he Walter Cronkite. He gives good interview, but he’s not the news. (the clue is in the location: COMEDY central)
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:07 am
Taxpayer, I agree with you. Science doesn’t need to be in the business of politics.
sam
December 10th, 2009
11:07 am
not really LA…but he’s pretty funny.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:08 am
USinUK, you asked me “which ones.” Like I’m going to name off my friends on a blog. And yes, I and everyone else knows it’s a comedy show. He is funny but can be self-righteous in his rants. But I understand where he’s coming from.
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:08 am
Oops. I suppose here needs to go somewhere. Hopefully, that’s better.
Citizen of the World
December 10th, 2009
11:08 am
No, LA @10:53, “libs” consider Jon Stewart and the Daily Show to be satire, based on news and current events.
And in case Gretchen Carlson is reading and wants to know what satire is, I’ll save her the trouble and provide the dictionary definition here: Irony or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice or stupidity.
And we “libs” can see that, paradoxically, sometimes there is more truth, insight and perspective to be gained from an exaggeration or parody than in straight reporting.
That’s why we watch and learn from the Daily Show. What’s funny to us is that you “conserves” don’t get it. I guess it is a bit esoteric. Gretchen, that means “intended for or understood by only a particular group.”
Paul
December 10th, 2009
11:09 am
Bosch
[[I have a new way to look at things:
Numbers = Puppies. Now, I got it!!]]
Yeah, and the minute you look away or let your mind wander, they poop all over you…..
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:09 am
“They love me unconditionally, I just have to love them back and a jolly good time will be had by all!!! OK!!! Let’s do it!!”
sadly, that’s not the case, either. numbers couldn’t give a rat’s patootie about you. they don’t greet you with little wriggling butts when you open excel.
but, when you add 2+2, you can pretty much put a flag in the fact that it will ALWAYS add up to 4. I like that kind of certainty in numbers.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:09 am
sam, not really what? Yes, he is VERY funny.
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:09 am
Taxpayer, I agree with you. Science doesn’t need to be in the business of politics.
And, more importantly, politics does not need to be in the business of science.
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
11:10 am
“So, should temps be going up? Not necessarily”
Not only that, but the climate change issue predicts, not just higher temperatures, but wider temperature differences. It can, and probably will if not mitigated, lead to significantly lower temperatures – especially in the higher latitudes, due to changes in the major ocean currents that currently carry heat from the tropics to the higher latitudes.
If enough ice melts, and therefore enough fresh water enters the oceans as to cause a change in salinity, that is predicted to have a major effect on those ocean “conveyer belts” and significantly reduce the amount of heat being moved. Which means lower temps in the higher latitudes, and higher temps as you get closer to the equator.
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:11 am
LA,
“I have MANY liberal friends. And most of them get their news from the Daily Show ”
Well, if this is the case, the only thing that proves is that you’ve got some dumb ass friends.
vince neil
December 10th, 2009
11:11 am
whether the earth is round or flat we will never know…as long as it stays in the center of the universe we are fine!…………………………………………………did I say how cold it is out there?
Jess
December 10th, 2009
11:12 am
Jay,
Although you have pointed out that the American Physical Society reaffirmed their committment to their letter of support, this was seven days [Nov. 10] prior to the climategate release, [Nov. 17]. Since then there has been a growing call from many in the society to suspend the letter until their group can investigate. There is now a petition to do just that. Among the signers are 77 Fellows of major science societies, 14 members of national academies, and a Nobel Laureate.
Dr. Happer, head of the Happer Physics lab at Princeton wrote:” by now you have all heard of climategate, which was and is an international scentific fraud…the worst any of us has seen…We have asked APS management to put the 2007 statement on ice until the extent to which it is tainted can be determined, but that has not been done”.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:12 am
“Like I’m going to name off my friends on a blog. And yes, I and everyone else knows it’s a comedy show. He is funny but can be self-righteous in his rants.”
then, you should try the use of the word “some” before the word “liberals” … or the phrase “my liberal friends” rather than using the broad brush
self-righteous? I think that’s a bit harsh -
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:12 am
No, LA @10:53, “libs” consider Jon Stewart and the Daily Show to be satire, based on news and current events.
The sad part is that Jon Stewart does a better job of getting news out to the public than many “news” channels do. And, he even does a better job with the “fair and balanced” part too.
sam
December 10th, 2009
11:12 am
LA, i bet you were voted most gullible in middle school.
Paul
December 10th, 2009
11:13 am
USinUK
[[they don’t greet you with little wriggling butts when you open excel. ]]
Bosch just lost interest in numbers -
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:13 am
Citizen of the World, how do you assume that I am conservative? I don’t even watch FOX. I prefer MSNBC and I have made that crystal clear in one of Jay’s articles from a few days ago.
You may want to rethink that “conservatives don’t watch it” because I know a lot of them who do watch and love him.
Who is Gretchen Carlson? Not familiar with her.
But, I might also add that Stewart picks on conservatives way more than he would pick on libs.
I just don’t get how libs can hate FOX NEWS. I don’t because it’s one news channel. Maybe it has something to do with their ratings beating out everyone else.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:13 am
Paul – 11:13 –
well, at least they don’t shed all over your keyboard
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:14 am
sam, and I am sure you were voted fattest kid in school. Was that funny sam?
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:14 am
USinUK and Paul,
You guys just don’t understand. And I’m sticking with my new theory. It makes it much easier in my head. Thank you very much!
sam
December 10th, 2009
11:14 am
i also bet you dont really have any freinds (liberal or otherwise) unless you include Fox & Friends….blaaaaaahh!
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:15 am
Taxpayer, not sure about the fair and balanced part. Fox did break the Acorn story before anyone else. Stewart is funny and I love when he exposes stupidity within politicians.
vince neil
December 10th, 2009
11:17 am
hey…how many liberal global warmists does it take to screw in a lightbulb…………………………None, they use candles!
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:17 am
sam, and I’ll wager a few thousand dollars that you work the streets of Atlanta as a hooker. See where this is gonna end up going?
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:18 am
“Fox did break the Acorn story before anyone else.”
ohgoodgod … the ACORN story that has turned out to be … niente? an independent investigator not only found that they did nothing illegal, he also said that the tape had been edited and that the people posing did a voice-over, so you really don’t know WHAT they were asking …
and, yes, I hope that ACORN sues the living crap out of the federal government
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:19 am
USinUK, that “independent” investigation means nothing. It’s the FEDERAL investigation that counts.
They did nothing illegal?????? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
11:20 am
“LA, I meant, listen to the talk in the link?”
“Paul, my bad, I will go back and look AND listen.”
You could not make this sheeit up.
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:20 am
LA,
“See where this is gonna end up going?”
And yet, you don’t have the kahunas to stop it.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:21 am
USinUK, does it bother you that the world still hates us even after the “messiah” took the world stage by storm?
President Barrack Obama= Community Organizer with………….no leadership skills. An empty suit. A one term president.
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
11:21 am
“None, they use candles!”
Nope, natural sunlight. Candles produce pollution
Outhouse Go-Kart
December 10th, 2009
11:21 am
Sam and his sopho-moronic statements…*POOT*.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:21 am
Jenifer, that was called……a joke. Now please, let the grown ups converse.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:23 am
Bosch, when you point a finger at someone else there are 4 point right back at you. Although, a thumb is not technically a finger.
Pot meet Kettle. Or in you case: Bosch meet wall.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 10th, 2009
11:23 am
Perhaps the greatest measure of Obama’s declining support is that just 50% of voters now say they prefer having him as President to George W. Bush, with 44% saying they’d rather have his predecessor. Given the horrendous approval ratings Bush showed during his final term that’s somewhat of a surprise and an indication that voters are increasingly placing the blame on Obama for the country’s difficulties instead of giving him space because of the tough situation he inherited.-Politico
Drive on, dummycrats, drive on.
Shove your hare brained, junk science tax raising schemes down our throats.
Go for it.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:23 am
“USinUK, that “independent” investigation means nothing. It’s the FEDERAL investigation that counts. They did nothing illegal??????”
no, they did nothing illegal – they didn’t defraud anyone. they didn’t set up an illegal business. they didn’t DO anything illegal. the independent investigation shows that. you want a federal investigation – that will show it, too.
solly, cholly, but that’s the way it is.
(although, I do hope Breitbart enjoyed his 15 minutes o’ fame)
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
Outhouse Go-Kart, sam, Bosch and the rest are all one of the same. It’s hilarious to read their comments and then, like Bosch, whine about them.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
“Jenifer, that was called……a joke.”
You got that right.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
USinUK…….soliciting prostitution is…….illegal.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
“USinUK, does it bother you that the world still hates us even after the “messiah” took the world stage by storm?”
what “world” is that, LA??? the same “world” that thinks Jon Stewart is news???
vince neil
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
my neighbors are liberal but I can’t tell what they use for light because my giant spotlights cause too much glare!!
Outhouse Go-Kart
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
Looks as though its time for the kenyans hairdresser to add a some more gray hair dye. Looking a little dark their Obobo.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
Jenifer, yes Jenifer, you are a joke. HA HA!
Citizen of the World
December 10th, 2009
11:25 am
LA @11:13, how do I assume you are a conservative? Well, if it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck….
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:25 am
LA – you obviously don’t know anything about the case other than “ooooooo …. ACORN is BAAAAAAAD”
they didn’t solicit prostitution.
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:25 am
LA,
“Bosch, when you point a finger at someone else there are 4 point right back at you.”
You would be wise to listen to your own advice.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:26 am
USinUK, keep telling yourself that. I would expect nothing otherwise. Considering that your ilk will buy into man-made global scamming, I would not be surprised that you would believe that the inhabitants of planet Earth love your dear master and lord, Obama.
AmVet
December 10th, 2009
11:26 am
“Numbers = Puppies. Now, I got it!!”
Bosch, gawd you make me laugh sometimes!
“Sure Glaciers are melting…they go through cycles just like hurricanes.
The current retreat of glaciers has been repeated before
(previous to the fossel fuel era) and to an even greater effect in the past.”
Yosarian, go back and look at my reference to the National Geographic article.
Here’s but a taste…
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0409/feature1/
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:26 am
Bosch, I do, it’s why I didn’t pick a fight with you. You picked one with me.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
11:27 am
“Jenifer, yes Jenifer, you are a joke. HA HA!”
See what I mean.
vince neil
December 10th, 2009
11:27 am
Enter your comments here
Outhouse Go-Kart
December 10th, 2009
11:27 am
No, Acorn to say the least, is fraught with incompetence and fraud.
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:27 am
But, I might also add that Stewart picks on conservatives way more than he would pick on libs.
Some folks just naturally migrate to where the “pickins” are the best. The place where the ge the most bang for their buck. By the way, for someone that does not watch FOXY news, you sure know a lot about it. Must be what you picked up from the Daily show, huh.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:27 am
Citizen of the World,oh, now I get it. If I don’t agree with everything you say……I must be a conservative. No Citizen, I don’t tow the party lines either way.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
December 10th, 2009
11:28 am
The day Obozo was elected I predicted that people would come to long for the economic boom times of the Bush years.
I was right, as usual.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:28 am
Taxpayer, I know this because I pay attention to current events. Besides, Keith Olberman was screaming about Glen Beck exposing Acorn. That’s how I found out about.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:29 am
“USinUK, keep telling yourself that. I would expect nothing otherwise. Considering that your ilk will buy into man-made global scamming, I would not be surprised that you would believe that the inhabitants of planet Earth love your dear master and lord, Obama.”
so, prove it. show me data. ignore the fact that I actually LIVE in Europe, so have a little more first-hand knowledge of how the rest of the world thinks about the president … show me.
vince neil
December 10th, 2009
11:29 am
john stewart is a satire show written as a joke……much like a global warming convention
UGA87
December 10th, 2009
11:30 am
What are your academic or scientific credentials? Perhaps they are as impressive as Al Gore’s. He has a BA in political science, a year of theology school and a year of law school. Yes, impressive indeed!
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:30 am
USinUK, huh, I guess all dem videoooooooos must have liiiiiied me! LOL.
You are some piece of work!
vince neil
December 10th, 2009
11:30 am
john stewart is a satire show written as a joke……much like a global warming convention…..there might be some grain of truth occassionally but mostly it is for the money!
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:30 am
“the economic boom times of the Bush years”
you mean the 2 recessions he presided over???
those “economic boom times”???
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:30 am
We’re going to need bigger tongue depressers for the likes of some whiners. No wonder health insurance is going up so much.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:31 am
USinUK, isn’t YOUR PM in a lot of trouble right now? Something about porn………….
I can post polls about other countries dislike for President Obama. But, you’d just dismiss them as “biased conspiracy theory polls.”
Bosch
December 10th, 2009
11:31 am
“Bosch, I do.
Like this?
“Jenifer, yes Jenifer, you are a joke. HA HA!”
“and I’ll wager a few thousand dollars that you work the streets of Atlanta as a hooker”
“and I am sure you were voted fattest kid in school.”
This is better than the other night when Common Sense called sfd a moron and then later on proclaimed that he NEVER called people names.
And as I said the other night – do these people think we just can’t read?
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:32 am
USinUK, well, Bush did inherit one from Clinton. Obama inherited one from Bush.
You do remember the DOW being at 14,000 right?
Oh that’s right, you’ve erased it from your mind.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:33 am
LA –
“USinUK, huh, I guess all dem videoooooooos must have liiiiiied me! LOL”
oh, dear … you just heard the word “video” and you assumed it was showing something it wasn’t. it was showing a guy posing as a pimp asking the ACORN representative how to set up a business that will get around paying federal taxes.
they weren’t soliciting prostitutes.
try reading beyond the big words at the top of the page sometime.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
11:33 am
In addition to Fox Ewwwws, many conservatives swoon over The Colbert Report.
RW-(the original)
December 10th, 2009
11:33 am
If the earth was 129 years old this article might make sense, but considering that 129 years is an extremely tiny fraction of the earths existence and those other millions of years are chock full of evidence of warming and cooling periods this is just a waste of perfectly good pixels.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:34 am
Bosch, I sure hope that you are not a detective because you would be terrible in that position.
Before AmVet, you and Jennifer provoked me with snide remarks and name calling I was doing just fine.
You can take your self-righteous bs and shove it! Oh, and I mean that in the nicest way Bosch.
Especially since you picked a fight with me.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:35 am
USinUK, I find it interesting that you believe Acorn is some happy fun organization of peace loving citizens. I really do.
Citizen of the World
December 10th, 2009
11:35 am
LA, for future reference, for you and Gretchen, too, if she’s reading, it’s “toe” the party line.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:35 am
LA –
“USinUK, isn’t YOUR PM in a lot of trouble right now? Something about porn………….”
wow. your knowledge of foreign politics is about as vast as your knowledge of national politics.
our PM is in trouble for a lot of reasons – primarily the failing economy and the half-a$$ed way they’ve dealt with the City … porn isn’t in the mix.
nice (but weird) try.
AmVet
December 10th, 2009
11:36 am
Because they are not, it is of no real relevance.
But IF the RepubliNaysayers had control over this situation, I would be very alarmed.
But clearly even their historically effective extortion, manipulation and fear are impotent at this point in the discussion.
And as infinitely smarter minds are calling the shots, I can sit back knowing the dunderheads and Gore-aphobes are on the outside looking in and getting hotter (get it?!) by the day.
Carry on, humans…
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:36 am
“USinUK, I find it interesting that you believe Acorn is some happy fun organization of peace loving citizens. I really do.”
and I find it pathetic that you know absolutely nothing about the scandal, yet have decided that that they are an eeeeeeeeevil group that is up to no good.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
11:37 am
I find this blog immensely entertaining today.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:37 am
Bosch! Just for you self-righteous one!
USinUK,
The imaginary ones in his brain.
Jenifer
December 10th, 2009
11:24 am
“Jenifer, that was called……a joke.”
You got that right.
AND WE CAN’T FORGET AMVET!!!!!
He called me a troll AND a fool.
What did I say to them before that that was mean or derogatory?
NOTHING!
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
11:38 am
“if she’s reading, it’s “toe” the party line.”
Yes, it is…but think about it: it’s not SO far off to say “tow the party line” either. Think towed canal boats.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:38 am
UK, then what is this?????
U.K. Politicians Charging Porn, a Moat and Even Needlepoint to Taxpayers
British Politicians Under Fire for Expensing Everything From a Moat to Porn Films
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=7567289&page=1
Taxpayer
December 10th, 2009
11:39 am
All right, Jay, you are going to be forced to give the right wing nuts their other 4000 years worth of data. Otherwise, they’ll just yammer incessantly about your meager presentation on a mere fraction of Atlanta’s thermal history. You might want to go back to at least the Civil War era. I hear things got pretty warm in Atlanta during that medieval period too.
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2009
11:39 am
“and I find it pathetic that you know absolutely nothing about the scandal”
And nothing about ACORN or their mission either.
USinUK
December 10th, 2009
11:39 am
“USinUK, well, Bush did inherit one from Clinton. Obama inherited one from Bush. You do remember the DOW being at 14,000 right?”
I love how people love to quote stock markets as if that IS the economy.
if you “and your ilk” are going to say this is OBAMA’S recession, then the 2001 recession is Bush’s.
LA
December 10th, 2009
11:39 am
USinUK, and I find it pathetic that you can’t take off the democrat talking point blinders.