Obama issues orders to begin Afghan escalation

I’m trying to catch up from a great holiday/vacation and put together a column on this topic for tomorrow, but in the meantime, from Fox:

“Top military and diplomatic officials got their marching orders Sunday evening from President Obama ahead of a planned speech Tuesday in which he’s expected to outline his new Afghanistan war strategy and call for about 30,000 more U.S. troops to be sent to the war zone.

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama issued the orders during a meeting in the Oval Office Sunday.

While offering few details of the contents of Obama’s speech — to be delivered at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. — he stressed that the president will discuss the importance of an exit strategy.

“This is not an open-ended commitment,” Gibbs said.”

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Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
12:21 pm

Obobo lied our troops died.

@@

November 30th, 2009
12:24 pm

It really is a shame that Obama is placing his political capital above the value of our troops.

He’s still trying to make everybody happy. Can’t do that as leader. Tough decisions HAVE to be made.

I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 30th, 2009
12:33 pm

Why is the exit strategy so much more important than defeating the terrorists who attacked our country?

Is that even a part of the “plan?”

danjonglee

November 30th, 2009
12:37 pm

There’s a little story out about how scientist scewed data to fit there GW world view….might be something to look into….

Doggone/GA

November 30th, 2009
12:39 pm

“Why is the exit strategy so much more important than defeating the terrorists who attacked our country?”

Why attacking Iraq so much more important than defeating the terrorists who attacked our country?

Doggone/GA

November 30th, 2009
12:42 pm

“There’s a little story out about how scientist scewed data to fit there GW world view….might be something to look into”

There’s a little lie out about how scientist scewed data to fit there GW world view….might be something to look into

Jefferson

November 30th, 2009
12:43 pm

A mistake to continue in that place.

Shawny

November 30th, 2009
12:48 pm

Imagine what Obama’s position on additional troops would be if he were still the junior senator from IL.

Jess

November 30th, 2009
12:49 pm

Jay,

I’m surprised you are quoting Fox. Shouldn’t you wait until a real news source confirms.

@@

November 30th, 2009
12:52 pm

Bottom line…. Obama has failed to take the advice of HIS chosen one, McChrystal. During the campaign, Afghanistan was for HIS win. Now Afghanistan is, once again, in hopes of HIS personal win. Stratfor’s take:

The normal course of these things is that you put some more troops in because it is easier politically and diplomatically than pulling out or dramatically increasing your forces to a level of real significance. You keep doing that. It is like boiling a frog. It is done so slowly that the frog is dead before he realizes he’s dying.

It’s kinda like kissing a frog…he turns into a prince. With Obama it’ll be the reverse.

Kiss a prince, you get a frog.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 30th, 2009
12:53 pm

So bookman, charging our soldiers with a crime for bloodying the lip of a terrorist caught on the battlefield, right or wrong?

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
1:05 pm

If only the previous administration had had a clue….we wouldn’t be in this mess.

Damn Bush. Damn Cheney. Damn them all.

Rightwing Troll

November 30th, 2009
1:06 pm

Looks like Iran is Right’s mom caught him on the computer when he was supposed to be staying home from school sick today… I’ll bet he got a good spanking.

Rightwing Troll

November 30th, 2009
1:07 pm

Yep,
We shoulda had OBL at Tora Bora and been done… Damn Rummy too…

Jefferson

November 30th, 2009
1:15 pm

You can’t win at tic-tac-toe.

N-GA

November 30th, 2009
1:19 pm

Let me see……if the President who made this decision was a Bush or a Cheney, these trolls would be calling the leftists “traitors”, anti-American wimps, etc.

What a difference an election makes. Just sayin’

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:20 pm

Obobo lied and our troops died.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 30th, 2009
1:21 pm

RASMUSSEN: 71% Angry at Federal Government, Up Five Points Since September; 46% Very Angry, up 10 points… Developing…

And you just know that the remaining 29%, spineless liberals all, love the federal government with all of their heart. Well, except for that little spot they have for trial lawyers, ew.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 30th, 2009
1:22 pm

N-GA has two comments this morning after a long weekend, both of them incoherent.

Throw down for Thanksgiving, did we?

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
1:24 pm

The MOST LIBERAL PERSON IN HISTORY (!!!) aka George Bush II has likely sealed his fate with this insane decision.

One and done.

We’ll see if the left wing dolts in this country are just as stupid and blind as their right wing cousins were in 2000 and 2004.

And STILL the gutless conned won’t even salute their “War President” for furthering their vicarious, wanton bloodlust and further stretching a US military already stretched to the breaking point.

(Support the Troops.)

But BlackWater nee Xe, Haliburton, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Gruman, Raytheon, General Dynamics, TRW, Honeywell and the rest of BHO’s money masters must be delighted with this decision…

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
1:27 pm

N-GA, I concur.

The yellow conned ONLY support invasions, escalations and occupations if they are done by someone with an R after their name.

And if the R’s f&ck it up every inch of the way, all the better…

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
1:28 pm

Oh how cute. The wingnuts are all anti-war now.

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
1:29 pm

“When we (NOT ME!!!) elected you we didn’t expect miracles. We didn’t even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn’t even function as a nation and never, ever has,” ~Michael Moore

Like his predecessor, this CiC is nothing more than an accomplished liar…

therese persaud

November 30th, 2009
1:31 pm

Doggone/GA

We were not attacked by Afghans ! If I remember correctly, the ‘alleged’ attackers were from Saudi Arabia!! . Wonder why we don’t bomb Saudi Arabia?

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:31 pm

OBOBO…As you promised, bring our troops home NOW and DONT forget the Heroine!

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:32 pm

therese persaud

November 30th, 2009
1:31 pm

Wow…where have you been for the last 8 years.

Peadawg

November 30th, 2009
1:32 pm

How do y’all like this “change” now, huh? The “YOU LIE” incident comes to mind right about now….

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:32 pm

Obobo lied and our troops died!

Midori

November 30th, 2009
1:33 pm

Oh how cute. The wingnuts are all anti-war now.

LOLOL!!!

:lol:

Midori

November 30th, 2009
1:34 pm

Peadawg,

as if it ever left your “mind”…..

Contractor

November 30th, 2009
1:36 pm

Either give our troops (Comanders)every thing they need to WIN, or Get The H— Out.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
1:36 pm

Contractor

November 30th, 2009
1:37 pm

Give our troops (Comanders) everthing they need, Or Get Out.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:39 pm

Doggone/GA

November 30th, 2009
1:42 pm

“We were not attacked by Afghans !”

Quite right, we were not…but they WERE giving valuable aid and support to Bin Laden, who bankrolled and masterminded the attack.

” If I remember correctly, the ‘alleged’ attackers were from Saudi Arabia!! . Wonder why we don’t bomb Saudi Arabia?”

You aren’t the first, and won’t be the last, to ask that question.

@@

November 30th, 2009
1:42 pm

Well, there’s always Bill’s failure to accept Bin Laden when offered up.

Clinton: So we tried to be quite aggressive with them [al Qaeda]. We got – well, Mr. bin Laden used to live in Sudan. He was expelled from Saudi Arabia in 1991, then he went to Sudan. And we’d been hearing that the Sudanese wanted America to start dealing with them again. They released him. At the time, 1996, he had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him, though we knew he wanted to commit crimes against America. So I pleaded with the Saudis to take him, ’cause they could have. But they thought it was a hot potato and they didn’t and that’s how he wound up in Afghanistan.

Clinton later claimed to have misspoken and stated that there had never been an offer to turn over bin Laden. It is clear, however, that Berger, at least, did consider the possibility of bringing bin Laden to the U.S., but, as he told The Washington Post in 2001, “The FBI did not believe we had enough evidence to indict bin Laden at that time, and therefore opposed bringing him to the United States.”

Even Sandy (in his pants) Berger admitted the option was available.

“The FBI did not believe we had enough evidence to indict bin Laden at that time, and therefore opposed bringing him to the United States.”

Who knows? Had Bill done what needed to be done, all the innocent victims of Sept. 11, 2001 might have been spared.

But then that’s the part of the story no liberal/progressive/democrat wants to read. The ending….Sept. 11, 2001 is on Bill’s page in history.

I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!

November 30th, 2009
1:43 pm

One moonbat says we are warmongers, another moonbat says we are antiwar, could you moonbats have a meeting and get back to us on the outcome?

Peadawg

November 30th, 2009
1:43 pm

As many broken campaign promises Obama has made, no it never left my mind. I’m just wondering when the people that voted for him will realize this as well.

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
1:44 pm

I wonder how far BHO had to stick his tongue up Gordon Brown’s ___ to get that lackey bloke to send another 500 soldiers to Quagmire Part Deux…

@@

November 30th, 2009
1:47 pm

Oh how cute. The wingnuts are all anti-war now.

Difference being, we didn’t elect a pro-war president in 2000. The liberals/progressives/democrats did in 2008. Afghanistan was Obama’s “right war”.

His supporters bought it…..they own it.

N-GA

November 30th, 2009
1:50 pm

Bedwetter (re – your 1:43 post):

Actually it’s simple. You are warmongers when the GOP/Neocons are in the White House and you are antiwar when the White House is occupied by anyone else.

BTW…are you humping my leg (counting the number of posts I make)? Doesn’t that make you a stalker?

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:50 pm

@@

November 30th, 2009
1:42 pm

Funny how they, the dems, forgot that little nugget let alone dont dare mention it.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
1:53 pm

@@,

When did Obama say he was going to pull out of Afghanistan during the election?

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:54 pm

Rachel Uchitel…yummy!

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
1:54 pm

“I would be very careful about using our troops as nation-builders.” ~George of the Bungle 2000

Careful with that tongue George.

No, they didn’t elect a “War President”.

They elected a liar.

@@

November 30th, 2009
1:57 pm

Boog:

Their memory only serves what’s in their best interest at any given moment. They wanted the giveaways, but couldn’t get those without supporting Obama’s war.

They have no principles on which to stand.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:58 pm

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
1:53 pm

We are not gonna go over that again. He said it. Obobo lied and out troops died.

Eric

November 30th, 2009
1:59 pm

I am sure I understood Obama to be against war escalation and in favor of bringing our troops home. Yet another example of why we don’t trust our elected officials anymore.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
1:59 pm

Boogers,

When?

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
1:59 pm

@@

November 30th, 2009
1:57 pm

Absolutely! Then when they are proven wrong they run like chickens in storm.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:00 pm

@@,

“Their memory only serves what’s in their best interest at any given moment. They wanted the giveaways, but couldn’t get those without supporting Obama’s war.

They have no principles on which to stand”

Nice boxed in thinking there.

Kamchak

November 30th, 2009
2:01 pm

No, they didn’t elect a “War President”.

They elected a liar.

At least he was someone you could have a beer with.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:02 pm

Boogers,

When has someone ever been proved wrong here?

Taxpayer

November 30th, 2009
2:03 pm

Hello, Jay. I hope you had a fine Thanksgiving holiday and are now ready to return to your daily grind. Til Christmas holidays, at least.

Anyway, Obama is getting ready to ship some more poor souls — each valued at $1 million US Currency, annually — off to build escalators in the mountains, or some such nonsense. Well, at least the IRS has cracked down on a few more of the freeloaders, residing here in the states, to help pick up their tab. And, as any good, for nothing, Dick would tell you, “Hey, they volunteered.” So, it’s all good. “Qu’ils mangent de la brioche.”

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:03 pm

Bosch:

Obama said he was going into Afghanistan. You know that. Why ask such a stoopid question?

All during his campaign, liberals/progressives/democrats, here and elsewhere, kept saying we should go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan. I kept telling all of you he wasn’t in Afghanistan….that he was in Pakistan.

I recall one of you asked how I knew that. I pointed to intelligence reports that said he was in Pakistan. Some even promoted invading a sovereign nation (Pakistan) in order to get OBL.

A bunch of knee-jerk reactionaries when they wanna/need to be.

A weird bunch….and that’s being kind.

Midori

November 30th, 2009
2:04 pm

Hi Mrs. G, Bosch, Amvet :)

Well, there’s always Bill’s failure to accept Bin Laden when offered up.

Today’s lesson, boys and girls: stupid is as stupid does. And it gets stupider (not true or truer) each and every time that stupidity is repeated.

Peadawg: I didn’t know Obama made promises to you. On the contrary, I thought you didn’t even vote for him. What’s the deal?

mm

November 30th, 2009
2:04 pm

As usual, the wingnuts have an excuse for everything.

Cheney/Palin 2012!!!!!!!!

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
2:05 pm

But when Bush drank he was an alcohol fueled, drug crazed lunatic. You dems can dish it but ya cant take it. Fact it your boy, obobo, is a failure, a fraud and a liar.

Obobo lied our troops died.

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

That dorky, faux rancher, faux Texan, faux Christian teetotaler?

The only toast I would make to him would be when he was put in an 8 X 12.

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:07 pm

Bosch:

Nice boxed in thinking there.

If you say so, dude.

Unlike you, I’m not here for socialization. I’m not here to swish the washy.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
2:08 pm

Actually with the passage of HCR Obama will be the most productive
President since WWII.

Just cause ya’ don’t like what he’s done, doesn’t alter the list of accomplishments.

danjonglee

November 30th, 2009
2:09 pm

A couple of rogue emails….no big deal….right.?

Common Sense

November 30th, 2009
2:09 pm

I would like for one of you liberals out there to tell me how this new policy from “Obama the Warrior” squares with his campaign promises and what you are going to do about it ?

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:10 pm

Today’s lesson, boys and girls: stupid is as stupid does. And it gets stupider (not true or truer) each and every time that stupidity is repeated.

Bill’s and Sandy’s own words prove their stupidity. Your failure to acknowledge their truth makes you look like an ostrich with nuthin’ “butt” their tail feathers showin’.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:11 pm

@@,

I know Obama said he was going to CONTINUE the efforts in Afghanistan. That wasn’t the question.

When did he say he was going to pull out of Afghanistan during the election? We bought it? We knew what he was most likely going to do in Afghanistan – did we (me) like it? I didn’t, lots others didn’t either. Did we vote for him anyway? Yes.

Because we have faith that he won’t go invade Syria or some other country that is not in this fight like Bush did Iraq.

Do you always label those you dislike based on what one individual writes? Don’t answer that because we all know it’s true.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 30th, 2009
2:11 pm

“…doesn’t alter the list of accomplishments.” Uh huh huh huh huh huh!

Jake

November 30th, 2009
2:12 pm

I just pray we can survive another 38 months of this National Nightmare. If you think the stimulus, foreign policy, and health care plans are abyssmal, just wait until ‘cap and trade’.

Peadawg

November 30th, 2009
2:12 pm

“Peadawg: I didn’t know Obama made promises to you. On the contrary, I thought you didn’t even vote for him. What’s the deal?”

Midori, he made promises to this country you smartars(including you). You’re not angry he’s sending MORE troops over there?
You’re correct Mr. Obvious, I didn’t vote for him and I’m very happy about my decision. This way, I can say “I told you so” for every campaign promise he breaks.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:13 pm

@@,

Yes, I say so. Blanket statements labeling those you do not like is very dangerous behavior.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:13 pm

Block,

Tell us a campaign promise he broke regarding Afghanistan and we’ll talk.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:14 pm

Jake,

Don’t worry – we survived MUCH worse during 2000-2008.

Peadawg

November 30th, 2009
2:14 pm

“Actually with the passage of HCR Obama will be the most productive
President since WWII.”

Productive as in continually adding the deficit (which he said he wouldn’t)?

Breaking the most campaign promises?

What do you mean “most productive”?

Kamchak

November 30th, 2009
2:14 pm

Boog:

Their memory only serves what’s in their best interest at any given moment. They wanted the giveaways, but couldn’t get those without supporting Obama’s war.

They have no principles on which to stand.

Yep—sounds like someone is telling us how others think.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
2:15 pm

Boogers

huh huh – does “snot” alter the list either

Midori

November 30th, 2009
2:17 pm

But when Bush drank he was an alcohol fueled, drug crazed lunatic

what do you mean “WAS”, Kemosabe?

Jake

November 30th, 2009
2:22 pm

Bosch – That’s the essence of the problem, that was horrible, the last ten months have been worse. Bigger deficits, more money wasted and lives lost in the totally hopeless cause that is Afghanistan, health care reform that will do more harm than good, and strong movements in the direction of collectivism.

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:23 pm

Bosch:

I don’t wanna engage in your one-man circular jerk. You’re hopeless and it shows.

Midori

November 30th, 2009
2:23 pm

and you are putting all of this at Obama’s feet, Jake?

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The American People

November 30th, 2009
2:23 pm

Obama has relied on “unprecedented” in more than 90 instances, using the word at least 129 times in everything from major addresses to small speeches, statements, memorandums and proclamations.

Unprecedented loss of popularity in 11 months
Unprecedented lies
Unprecedented corruption
Unprecedented smoke and mirrors
Unprecedented use of the phrase “shout out” by a world leader
Unprecedented Secret Service issues
Unprecedented spending
Unprecedented bows

Midori

November 30th, 2009
2:24 pm

Bosch,

translation of 2:23: I got nothing!!

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:25 pm

@@,

You tell others how and what to think — I may be hopeless, but you are dangerous.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
2:25 pm

Peadawg

Here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2236708/

and here

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/19/805925/-90-Accomplishments-of-Pres.-Obama-Which-The-Media-Fails-to-Report

But be careful, Peadawg, these are left wing websites and they have their eye on you……

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:25 pm

Hey Midori!

Sad, isn’t it?

getalife

November 30th, 2009
2:26 pm

Can we bribe the taliban ?

Looks like the Pakistani president is leaving by giving the nuke codes to their military.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:27 pm

Jake,

Get real. That’s your perspective. Do you also run around screaming that Obama has p*ssed on public property when he takes a whizz at the White House?

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:30 pm

Bosch:

You tell others how and what to think — I may be hopeless, but you are dangerous.

Is ^^^ that your opinion or boxed in thinking?

Two can play your stoopid game. You’re stuck on stoopid, dude!

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:32 pm

@@,

It’s my opinion – your boxed in thinking is on display for all to see.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
2:38 pm

Bosch

Carefull or she will “perish” you……

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:38 pm

Bosch:

It’s my opinion – your boxed in thinking is on display for all to see.

Wouldn’t that depend on who’s reading it?

You wanna box me in with your opinion?

Ain’t gonna happen, and I’m not interested in talking about your home renovations, what you like to eat, and “V” or whatever the heck it is you watch on the TeeWee. Nor am I into talking about how much you like your drugs and drink.

Do I make myself clear?

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

Bosch, I always suspected that you are one dangerous dude!

(Just don’t tell me anything that would then force you to kill me.)

The stuck on stupid and stuck in the past Republidupes have just been polled (or is poled?).

Their most influential “conservative”? The Manteats in Black aka HeadRush Limbaugh at 26%

Next? Glenn “Boo Hoo” Beck at 11%.

But wait!

It gets even better!

Third is DickHead’s “Got a gun” Cheney at 10%. Tied with Sarah BarraClueless.

PITIFUL does not even begin to adequately describe that situation…

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:40 pm

@@,

You box yourself in with what you write, not my opinions.

And, I really don’t give a flying rat’s ass what YOU are interested in. Clear?

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:42 pm

AmVet,

“Bosch, I always suspected that you are one dangerous dude!”

You have NO idea. :evil:

@@

November 30th, 2009
2:45 pm

And, I really don’t give a flying rat’s ass what YOU are interested in.

That’s EXACTLY my point, Bosch. You’re only interested in this site as a social circle.

I’m looking for something a little more in depth. You’ve got nothing to offer in that respect.

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:50 pm

@@,

“You’re only interested in this site as a social circle.”

And that’s exactly MY point. You have no idea what my interests in this site involve, yet you don’t mind being so arrogant as to tell me what I think.

Don’t tell me what I think or what my interests are. To think you have that kind of power, is extremely dangerous.

“I’m looking for something a little more in depth.”

Like your cut and paste Stratfor pieces? The kind that most of us get in our email boxes every day and can read for ourselves? Like that?

Or this?:

“one-man circular jerk”

“You’ve got nothing to offer in that respect.”

Well, I think others disagree with you on that – and as always you can scroll past my name.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
2:51 pm

…social circle is the first dangerous step to socialism….

imagine what collecting Hummels leads to….

Bosch

November 30th, 2009
2:55 pm

Mrs. G.,

What’s a social circle?

Taxpayer

November 30th, 2009
2:56 pm

A little more background info. on Social Circle.

@@

November 30th, 2009
3:00 pm

Bosch:

You have no idea what my interests in this site involve, yet you don’t mind being so arrogant as to tell me what I think.

I can read your posts…chosen topics…and pretty much ascertain wherein your interests lie.

I throw in the Stratfor pieces for added perspective. If people wanna discuss, FINE…if not that’s O.K.. Your buddy, Paul likes ‘em. Has even asked that I keep posting ‘em.

I scroll past your name all the time. Most of my responses to you come after you decide to yack-it-up (gossip like a girl) about something I’ve said or done.

You’re a needy little girl, that way.

Now….just so others can enjoy this site, would you like to move along, sweetie?

AmVet

November 30th, 2009
3:02 pm

What’s a social circle?

Yeah Taxpayer is right. It’s a dumpy little place you get to by going out I-20 past Covington and hanging a left.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 30th, 2009
3:05 pm

Bosch

A social circle is simply a gathering of people being social.
This blog is a social circle with a few un-sociable members.

It’s also a small town in GA – home of the Blue Willow Inn – good country eats in a beautiful old home.