Happy Thanksgiving to one and all….

Jay

I hope your holiday is a great one, filled with the love that only family and friends can provide. Have a safe and Happy Turkey Day.

And for everyone else, I hope your day is a safe one filled with happiness and joy (and good food/football). Everyone be safe.

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I’m thankful for 95 year old veterans and their wisdom:

Dear President Obama,

My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.

One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.

So here goes.

I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.

I can’t figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:

· “We’re no longer a Christian nation”

· ” America is arrogant” – (Your wife even announced to the world,” America is mean-spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)

I’d say shame on the both of you but I don’t think you like America nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.
After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.” Which ones did you mean?

1. Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British ?

2. Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War ?

3.I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers,husbands,and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII,because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around because we stand for freedom.

4. I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.

Take a little advice from a very old geezer,young man. Shape up and start acting like an American.If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue .You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.

And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts who was putting up a fight ? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are,terrorists.

One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now,son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.

You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.

You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now. And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.

Sincerely,
Harold B. Estes

Note: Snopes is rating the authorship as “undertermined” but the message is clear ……………

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(Lacks) Common Sense:

The EXACT quote is: “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation — at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

So if you just want to spread propaganda like Hitler, Stalin and other notable fascists, go ahead! BTW, this quote can be found everywhere on the web without any effort.

What you’ve done is post something that was probably written by one of those extreme right “authors”. Of course no one has been able to find Mr. Estes. I must say that he writes incredibly well for a 95- year old man. (sarc)

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Pardon me, make that CS…

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AmV

You DO realize that if some let go of their derision and petty opinions, they have nothing left, don’t you?

Have fun today, and be safe.

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Happy Thanksgiving to all from your “I didn’t do nothing wrong” inmate thug pals at the Clayton County jail who will enjoy a cold Thanksgiving meal today.

Remember our hot meals (like health care, a flat screen, cell phone, an Escalade, government provided housing and food) are a right!!!

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To N-GA, mm, AmVet, ABM, et al:

Like I indicated at the end, the authorship cannot be verified but the message is clear.

I hope you read Obama’s Thanksgiving message to the nation yesterday. No mention of God whatsoever so I don’t know who we are to “thank”.

By the way AmVet ………….. are our troops fighting today? Yes they are …….. they don’t get to “let go” for one day in their real war so I don’t “let go” one day in the war against those who would destroy the Judeo/Christian fabric and liberty of this Republic. No “time outs”.

However, I will enjoy a little turkey and other delights this afternoon as I recall my Thanksgiving dinner of 1967 (a can of beans & weenies) in Quang Tri Province. “For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know”. Author Unknown – found written on a C-Rations box, Khe Sahn, 1968.

Thank you God for this wonderful day and in your mercy bless even those who turn their backs on you ……………….

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Common Sense

I don’t plan to get involved in a day long heated battle over he said/she said stuff, but since you added my name to your list, I’ll address your comments.

I didn’t read Obama’s Thanksgiving message to the nation, nor do I really care what he said. You do realize that the United States does have freedom of religion. What you perceive as a lack of acknowledging G*d, may have been his attempt to allow people to insert the deity of their choice. Maybe he should have said so to make that point clear. There are those who are Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, and yes Muslims who are US citizens and do have the right to worship their G*d.

You really floor me. You complained about what people said about Bush and Conservatives, yet you launch the same attack against Obama and Liberals. I guess your name really says it all, though. You have to display common sense somewhere, because it sure isn’t in your posts.

By the way, have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I will pray to G*d that he neutralizes some of the bitterness in your heart.

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If those on the right, who claim to know God, knew Him at all, they would not be ruled by the senseless fear that dictates their miserable, ungrateful lives.

May they find Him today

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I thought that one of Christ’s teachings was to love thy neighbor and to not judge others. God, whichever one you worship, will judge us upon our death. As we enjoy the Thanksgiving holiday and recollect what we are grateful for, hopefully we will take the time to refresh our spiritual understandings and commitments and how they should be apart of all our actions, thoughts and words. Peace to all, and Happy Thanksgiving. Bless our troops and leaders.

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Isn’t it amazing that the Hindu, Buddist, Muslim and many other religions/civilizations developed over the centuries into the great bastions of democracy and respect for individual liberty that we know today? Hummmmm …………………… I’m sure they are very thankful that they are able to worship here as they please.

But in the Judeo/Christian colonies, even Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner, wrote “all men are created equal” knowing that he was setting the foundation to someday rid our country of slavery. The framers of our Constitution penned their names to it knowing also that its words would eventually bring freedom to all men. Find that in “any” other world civilization/religion without a Judeo/Christian heritage.

Personally, I am eternally grateful and thankful to God not just today but everydya for that heritage and the patriotism of our soldiers to be willing to give their lives to extend that freedom to others less fortunate. Those of you who have never fought for your country have no idea what that takes.

It is truly sad that so many hear the Liberty Bell tones of freedom echo back as bitterness and animosity. The problem is in your hearing ………. not the message.

As it says in the Holy Scriptures, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord” and “The Truth shall make you free” !

Ooo Rah! Amen! Semper Fi! Happy Thanksgiving !!!

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Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

Yes!
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama

Song 2:
Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say “hooray!”

Hooray, Mr. President! You’re number one!
The first black American to lead this great nation!

Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country’s economy number one again!

Hooray Mr. President, we’re really proud of you!
And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!

So continue —- Mr. President we know you’ll do the trick
So here’s a hearty hip-hooray —-

Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!

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Happy Thanksgiving from the right side of the table, Jay. Hope you and the family have a good one.

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I’ll find G-d when I take that first mouthful of cornbread stuffing.
Have a great day, all

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Obama has relied on “unprecedented” in more than 90 instances, using the word at least 129 times in everything from major addresses to small speeches, statements, memorandums and proclamations.

Unprecedented loss of popularity in 10 months
Unprecedented lies
Unprecedented corruption
Unprecedented smoke and mirrors
Unprecedented loss of the Olympics
Unprecedented Secret Service issues
Unprecedented spending
Unprecedented turkey

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In spite of all our problems, I’m thankful I was born in this country, thankful I was born into the family I was born into, and thankful I live where I live.

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LOL!!!

i think you guys are right about CS – GOT to be Private Corporal.

He even posts the same INSANE manifestos!!

N-GA, mm, AmVet, ABM – you all better watch out.

Next he’ll put you on his “list”

ROFL!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

And Jay – this thread is useless without a picture of you in that blue tux

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Hope everybody is having a great Thanksgiving. Lets remember all our blessings come from God, so give Him thanks!

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You to Jay. This is a day that we should not through be looking through that cynical eyeglass that is politics but to celebrate just how damned fortunate we really are. Politics is going to destroy our nation if we don’t get ourselves under control.

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Surrounded by a bounty of dead pheasants and mallard ducks, fixing to hot shower my wet and frozen a$$.

Then it’s back to the tail hunt.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

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I want to wish everyone a great and happy Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the time spent with family and loved ones.

I Report – any chance you were duck hunting on Lake Sinclair this morning around 7:30 – 8ish?

Blessings to all!
NOMAD

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OH GAWD! I have hurt myself! Must take Alka-Seltzer!!, Wait! Did you say there’s pecan pie left? Oh. I’ll be right there…OH GAWD, I’m going to hurt myself…

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It was everything it should have been! I’ll be on the Third Circle of Dante’s Inferno with the “gluttenous and supine!”

Normal: the ghost of Abe was exorcised due to a certain book!

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Josef, what book???

OH GAWD, I HURT…

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NORMAL–elsewhere on that!

“I can’t believe I ate the whole thing!”

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Thanks Dave…back at ya! BTW–never did Ranier, but for the inexperienced, Mt. Baker outside Bellingham is more accessible as is Garibaldi outside Vancouver, BC. Baker, I understand from folks up there, has been doing some more serious rumblings of late…Have you been to the aptly named “G-d’s Country?” Spectacular doesn’t even begin to describe it!

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ABM–
Happy Turkey Day to ya! Hope you’ve had some time with ABW and ABC…

On the names of G-d…In Arabic there are 99 names for the Alm-ghty. They say that the camel alone knows the hundredth name of All-h, accounting for that smug expression he wears!

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Dave, I was 45 when I went up there. And it was only after I saw the IMAX film at Fernbank about Everest that I really got the bug. I couldn’t stop thinking about it and then out of the blue three weeks later, a scuba diving buddy of mine said he was thinking about Rainier and was I interested. I said how long until we can go?

He and I specifically trained for about a year and half. And I was already in very good shape. (Many hours in the gym and many others doing cardio work.)

We trained extensively with 50 pound packs on Kennesaw Mountain. One Saturday we did both Big and Little twice – about 11 miles total.

We also made a trip to Albuquerque and climbed Sandia Mountain. It’s a walk up but was still challenging as hell and, though we were both very accomplished snow skiers, we wanted to try to do some climbing at altitude.

Even with all that – Rainier still kicked my butt.

We both did really well but I’ll not kid you, it was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done.

The climb to Camp Muir is pretty damn tough in and of itself – about 5 hours and 5,000 vertical.

From there, the plan is generally to leave around midnight or so and try to summit. Even though it was in June, the week I was there it snowed like mad. We made it to about 12,500 but the guides were very worried about avalanche potential in this one section we had to go through and we turned around.

It was, of course, disappointing but we spent the day climbing seracs, etc and it was still a wonderful time.

In retrospect the memories and photos I have of that week are almost surreal.

As you probably already know it is the perfect training ground for the guys who go on to Denali, Aconcagua and Nepal. Apparently the conditions are pretty similar to Everest and it can be very, very dangerous. And a lot of people have died climbing Rainer.

All that said, taking up mountain climbing in your forties is not easy. It is not always, but pretty much a young(er) guys sport.

Yet, I am happy I did it. But it was enough for me and the “climbing phase” of my life!

I would say, if you are in very good physical condition and train properly – go for it!

No matter the outcome, it is a trip of a lifetime….

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josef

Spot on. Almost all monotheistic religions have stories of the Creation that are pretty similar if I remember correctly. There are slight differences, but they all pretty much follow the same pattern. The older religions also share common stories/parables with the Old Testament. I’ve done a little reading on different religions. Curiosity got the best of my when I was younger. I wanted to know what the differences were between religions.

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To Angry Black Man:

You have a good theological background. Regarding names then, I assume you are familiar with these crucial verses from Acts chapter four:

“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

…………. and as Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.” “Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.” “He that believeth in Me is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the Only Begotten Son of God.”

Truly something to be eternally thankful about on this special day ………………

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Would love to go into a discussion of comparative theologies, but the body is overriding the spirit, and it’s off to the Land of Nod…

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“It either is the only way or it isn’t.”

Hon, no one is trying to convert you to a different belief system. They only ask the courtesy that YOU not do that either.

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Doggone/GA:

But alas my friend, Jesus does not agree with that “courtesy”. You miss the point of what He commanded Christians to do ………

“Jesus said, go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to ever creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.”

If there was another way, He sure commanded us to waste a lot of unnecessary miles ………..

But he also created you with a free will and it’s your decision ……………. may you make the right one.

God bless ………………

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steven

Enjoy your hunting, and I wish you a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and a good successful Hunting Season. And yes, I’m getting dressed to go to work. The type of hunting I do has no beginning or end to the season. It’s a year-round, ongoing ordeal. My targets are a little different from yours, however. I primarly hunt threats to our great country, whether it’s illegal aliens, terrorists, or drugs. I appreciate you thinking of me, as my job is sometimes a thankless job.

Last, accept my appologies for assuming the depth of your knowledge. Although I believe age is not the most important indicator of knowledge, I do not know you, nor do I know the extent of your education thru scholastic achievement or life experience.

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U-n-U

No time for tryptophan here. Already on the job doing what I do best. Sleep is for the weak!!

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I usually get about 4-6 hours a night. It’s good to have a cranky edge with my job. That way people know I mean business. I usually get about 24oz of coffee in before I get started too. I’ve got a little headbanging going on with Metallica, Judas Priest, et al…

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ABM –

4-6 hours??? criminey, I know new parents who get more sleep than that …

don’t know if you’re a Doonesbury fan, but the new character Toggle is right up your alley:

http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20091028

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RT –

stuffing OR dressing?? you mean you can’t have both???

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MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!

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State of GA unemployment numbers are out!

10.4% for Sept 09
10.4% for Oct 09

6.9 one year ago.

I wonder if those 10.4% are thankful ObaMao is pres? So…did the kenyan choke on a turkey neck yesterday?

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6.9%, that is.

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Going to head out shopping in a bit. Lovely…

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Normal

Too late to go shopping. There’s nothing left in the stores. When I was driving to work this morning, you would have thought it was 7-8pm with all the people out and about. Every store by my home had lines all over the place except for Home Depot.

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ABM, yeah, I know…but the wife
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USinUK, Thanks.

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Krugman at NYtimes has an excellent piece on taxing wall St financial transactions. Good idea. Think of all those day traders getting a tax bill on even the minor transactions.

I work in the whiskey business where 58% of the price you pay for a bottle of spirits goes to the tax man. These traders can pay up too.

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Finneus – long time no see … and belated happy thanksgiving to you!! hope you had a great day!!

don’t know that I necessarily agree with the taxation of all transactions – who gets taxed? the trader or the ultimate investor? and why should an investor like a pension fund get taxed when they’re just practicing prudent management of their investors funds???

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“Instead of hating Wall Street, day traders and most things representing financial gain”

Should be:

“Instead of hating Wall Street, day traders and most things representing financial gain without doing lick of work”

Sigh!….

Why do “conservatives” hate work and those that engage in it???

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Rightwing Troll

November 27th, 2009
8:15 am

Why be such a sour-puss. Read the books and learn how to day-trade or invest longterm, if you have enough movtivation.

You dems just hate movtivated, working individuals and that a shame for you.

PS…Im at work today…you?

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Jobless rate holding steady-Urinal

Unemployment in metro Atlanta at 10.4% as labor force shrinks.

It’s good to see that an absolute catastrophe in the labor market is good reason to be happy, looking for the upside, AJC, especially after the last decade when the unemployment rate falling to 4% was cause for you libs to shriek like sissies and tear at your clothing.

Biased much?

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Under Reagan unemployment reached 9.7%…..he didn’t have Bush deficits and multiwars.

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No Andy,

the issue is you and your ilk.

always was always will be.

and let me point out that I could have called you DuhANdy, but I’m better than that.

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josef

good morning!

nothing ‘cept a whipping cream overload……

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Paint it anyway you like the fact remains the kenyan owns the 10.4% unemployement.

Can you say ARSON!
Clayton County home burns while family away
http://www.ajc.com/news/clayton/clayton-county-home-burns-215497.html

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Booger–
He owns LOTs of things, now, the war in Iraq, the war in Aghanistan, DADT, Health Care…just to name a few…

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By the way, ABM, I am thankful you are on the job and frosty.

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He also owns…..

A week before he was sworn in, Obama jammed part two of the bank bailout down the throat of his own party — a $350 billion accomplishment.

Two days after he was sworn in, Obama banned the use of “harsh interrogation” and ordered the closing of Guantánamo.

A day later, Obama reversed George W. Bush’s funding cutoff to overseas family planning organizations — saving millions of lives with the stroke of a pen.

Three days after that, Obama gave a green light to the California car-emissions standards that Bush had been blocking for six years — an important step on the road to cleaner air and a cooler planet.

Two weeks after that, Obama signed the stimulus bill — a $787 billion accomplishment.

Ten days after that, Obama formally announced America’s withdrawal from Iraq.

A week later — we’re in early March now — Obama erased Bush’s decision to restrict federal funding for stem-cell research.

In April and June, Obama forced Chrysler and GM into bankruptcy.

In June, Obama reset the tone of our relations with the entire Arab world with a single speech — an accomplishment that the Bush administration failed to achieve despite a series of desperate PR moves (anyone remember Charlotte Beers?) and a “public diplomacy” budget of $1 billion a year.

Also in June, Obama unveiled the “Cash for Clunkers” program, a “socialist” giveaway that reanimated the corpse of our car industry — leading, for example, to the billion-dollar profit that Ford announced on Monday.

I haven’t even mentioned Sonia Sotomayor, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the order to release the torture memos, Obama’s push for charter schools, his $288 billion tax cut, or the end of Bush’s war on medical marijuana. Or the minor fact that he seems to have — with Bush’s help, it must be said — stopped the financial collapse, revived the credit markets, and nudged the economy toward 3.5 percent growth in the last quarter.

Oh, and one more thing: President Obama is now a month or two from accomplishing the awesome and seemingly impossible task that eluded mighty presidents like FDR, LBJ, and WJC — health-care reform.

Obama’s early returns also include a host of remarkably cautious and prudent national-security decisions that seem, these days, to have been completely forgotten:

Appointing a conservative Bush holdover like Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense.

Appointing an establishment centrist like Leon Panetta at CIA.

Appointing a hard-ass like Stanley McChrystal to head up our military forces in Afghanistan, despite McChrystal’s dubious involvement in torture and the cover-up of Pat Tillman’s death.

Increasing the number of drone attacks on Al Qaeda — more in the last year than all the Bush years combined.

Reinstating, with tweaks, Bush’s military tribunal system for Guantánamo prisoners.

Fighting, in another unexpected defense of a controversial Bush policy, lawsuits against the “warrantless wiretapping” program — as recently as this weekend with a decision that a leading civil liberties group called “extremely disappointing.”

Sending, way back in February, seventeen thousand more soldiers to Afghanistan. As Fareed Zakaira recently pointed out, this was just three thousand fewer soldiers than Bush sent to Iraq for his famous “surge.”

Noticing a pattern yet? The first half of Obama’s accomplishments above is mostly liberal stuff. The bottom half is all pretty dang conservative. Which brings us to The Problem With America Today: Blame it on the Internet, on partisan politics, on the economic crash, on the legacy of war or Fox News or Michael Moore, but our vital center is getting stiff — and it is starting to stink.

Liberals are upset because Obama didn’t shut down Guantánamo or stop the wiretapping program or end all wars or support gay marriage and kill Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Conservatives are pissed off because they hate health-care reform, family planning, ending any war at all, organic gardening at the White House, and government in general.

What’s worse, both sides are so angry and righteous that they can’t even begin to give credit where it is due. When was the last time you heard a conservative cheer about that $288 billion tax cut? Or credit Obama for the centrism it took to appoint McChrystal, Panetta, and Gates? And how many liberals choose to be understanding about the practical difficulties of shutting down Guantánamo, achieving equal rights for gays, or tapping Al Qaeda’s phones?

And where, on either side, can you find a scrap of humility about the staggeringly complex challenge of Afghanistan and Pakistan? Or a scrap of gratitude at having escaped global financial doom?

So the question, a year since we elected him, isn’t how much Obama has accomplished. The question is why we’ve turned so small and mean that we only see half of it — the half we happen to agree with.

Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/obama-timeline-110309#ixzz0Y4INqTNl

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Mrs…
Color blindness…yep, and women don’t…mine is the inability to distinguish shades…two drawers of socks, all the brown one shade, all the black the same…I like to paint in oils for relaxation, but I have to factor in what shade I’m working with and the mistakes can be, well, let’s just call it “modern!”

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The answer is Obobo is and will remain a failure. The question no longer needs asking.

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Mrs. G…
A good post and much that I am not blind to and do give him credit for…but DADT…did you see the Chris Rock that DDR posted me Friday last? ‘Bout summed it up in my book…

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Boogers

Yessir, ya’betcha we will. And we will have earned it.

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Duhzilla- Then you would be unoriginally copying one of my signature techniques and since you were unable to counter with your own innovative mannerism, you chose to elevate yourself to a pedestal of your own making.

The AJC has you pegged.

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TnG – 9:04 … good luck with presenting the facts … some people are beyond redemption …

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USinUK

November 27th, 2009
9:07 am

They don’t seem to understand trends.

My lovely bride of 44 years did it again; preparing a scrumptious feast for the castrated beast.

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USinUK

“TnG – 9:04 … good luck with presenting the facts … some people are beyond redemption …”

Now, now, remember that the season of the Redeemer is upon us…

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TnG – 44 years??? saaaaaa-LUTE!!! (although, this means that we have to kick you out of the Democratic Hootenanny – you know how much we hate marriage and all)

people always ask me what I miss most about the US … this week, it’s really been Thanksgiving!

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Jo Nix –

“Now, now, remember that the season of the Redeemer is upon us…”

meh. forgiving someone for an accident is one thing … willful ignorance is something else …

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Well, she’s been in there gnawing on that turkey and the other leftover stuff all morning. If she don’t weigh 375 by Sunday night it will be a miracle. She’ll end up looking like Sister Dusty.

Sorry to see Whiner is in such a bad mood. It looks like the Christian spirit didn’t take too good with him or even last thru the Thanksgiving meal.

Have a good Friday everybody.

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Whiner…

“Cade: I thank you, good people—there shall be no money; all shall eat
and drink on my score, and I will apparel them all in one livery,
that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.

Dick: The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”

–Shakespeare, Henry VI (I think…)

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Jo Nix – your grandaddy sounds grand!!!

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Duhzilla- What you call the high ground……is the fever swamps.

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Mrs G -

“I really do love your predictability after all these years. You and RW always loved that term”

me, I’ve never really understood that term … I’ve done a tour through the Okeefenokee and I’ve had a fever, but I can honestly say that neither experience was even remotely related …

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USinUK

been there with the ‘Zillettes when they were young….they loved all the creepy crawly things

hell we all came from the primordial ooze…..

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Are you aware most males suffer from some level of colorblindness?

That explains a lot.

My wife and I were going through some stored clothes this week to see what needed to be thrown out, donated, or moved to a closet etc. I kept hearing the question, how the hell did you wind up with this? and had no good answer. Now I do. Thanks!

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Mrs G –

“been there with the ‘Zillettes when they were young….they loved all the creepy crawly things”

I haven’t been since I was a kid … am dying to revisit with the mister before the next major fire (I think it’s due) …

“hell we all came from the primordial ooze…..”

no, some of us come from it … some still choose to reside there …

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RW –

“I kept hearing the question, how the hell did you wind up with this? and had no good answer. Now I do. Thanks!”

HA!!

(just remember, color-blindness doesn’t cover an outfit of stripes, plaids and prints)

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Atlantis is landing…….that’s still very cool.

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heeheehee … Peggy Noonan saying ANYone needs “adult supervision” … hahahaha … stop … my sides … quick, Peggy – there’s an open bar!! why don’t you go find “inspiration” … (ohhhhh … the dolphins the Virgin Mary sent to save little Elian … if that wasn’t found at the bottom of a bottle of gin, I don’t know what was)

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USinUK

(just remember, color-blindness doesn’t cover an outfit of stripes, plaids and prints)

Oh, yes it does when those stripes or plaids are all the same shade…it’s gray, d*mmit, you can call it rose, powder blue, taupe or what have you, put side by side, they’re GRAY!

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josef

even as tots they could do “trees” ……they used to be my backup singers

now they take center stage

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USinUK–
Now how do you know the Virgin Mary didn’t send the Dolphins to save Little Elian? You wern’t there. I wasn’t either, but I’d like to think she did. Now if she would just take an interest in the Miami Dophins…

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Anytime a vehicle returns safely from space, it is still a great acheivement. Space travel is still a very dangerous undertaking. I wish would could take some of that war money and put it into the NASA budget.

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USinUK–
The Brits can get by with more in the sartorial…kinda makes up for not being able to cook!

Mrs. G–
We called ours the House Apes! They swang from the chandaliers!

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Jo Nix –

“Now how do you know the Virgin Mary didn’t send the Dolphins to save Little Elian?”

the Virgin Mary??? more like a bloody mary was involved with THAT story …

and as for British cooking, they have their faults, but no one makes better cold-weather food than the Brits … mmmmmm … (and they make some killer desserts, too!)

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Gale –

9:51

MARS, BITCHES!!!

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I guess Andy took his mom’s basement to Chicago with him, you can pack a lot of stuff in an Escalade, but a whole basement????

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

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“Jesus does not agree with that “courtesy””

Here’s a thought for you to chew on: you don’t know for SURE you are reading the words of Jesus. You are only reading the words someone ELSE said he said. Jesus himself never wrote anything down.

And here’s a further portion of that quote: “And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; They will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Do YOU pick up poisonous snakes, and drink deadly poisons?

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Doggone–
You know as well as I do that Jesus and the Disciples read, wrote and spoke King James English!

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josef

funny, my grandy swore they spoke the gaelic

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Doggone–I usually use the New Standard for reference, but there is nothing in the English language more beautiful to me than the King James translation of Ecclesiastes…it is said that this was Shakespeare’s work…

Mrs. G–
I’ve always kinda thought of Jesus as an Irishman…look at who he hung out with, liked a good story, a good slug or two, and, p*ssed off wasn’t above throwing about a few tables and chairs…

USinUK
Must say, if the Virgin Mary is in business for my rescue on the high seas, send me George Clooney!

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“You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”

Yeah, yeah. We’ve heard it before…over and over and over. Don’t the conned have ANYONE with an original thought?

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Oh, USinUK–

Your list of questionable “cuisine” contributions…NOT. But then, of course, there are those who would doubt the delectability of what Unmentionable has on the menu today, the smells already enriching the cold November air…big ole pot of fresh mustard greens simmering, a fresh baked pone of cornbread to make you slap your mama down, some fried streak of lean, homemade pepper sauce, chopped onions…

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JoNix –

yep … count me as one of the doubters of the delectability of mustard greens. blech (even moreso than greenbean casserole). black-eyed peas, lima beans … these were a few of my LEAST favorite things about growing up in the south … (although, I could still happily eat my weight in cornbread or homemade biscuits made by someone’s gramma)

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Josef…speaking of “yeah yeah” – have you heard this one? (supposed to be true)

A college professor was giving a talk on language, and in the course of that talk he stated that in every language known – a double negative was a positive, but in no language was a double positive a negative. And then some wag in the back row said “yeah, yeah”

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Gale –

“Now that you mention that, I find it quite odd.”

he traveled light.

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Boogers,
I’ve got nothing against traders. I just think a financial transaction should be taxed along with everything else.

Your love of giving tax breaks and “special” treatment to certain industries is SOCIALISM. Capitalism is about competition, it’s not about artificially supporting certain people in certain industries because they are “special” (a nice way of saying they can’t effectively compete on a flat playing field.)

Perhaps boogers also supports the farm subisidies and bank bailouts and other socialist type behaviors??

Boogers: a socialist, commie, pinko, confused person.

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And speaking of poor? Where is our friend Finnius? Im curious if he emerged long enough from his mothers basement for him and his 1978 Ford Econoline van to visit Woodruff Park and shuttle the bums to and from The Hosea Feed the Lazy extravaganza…

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“I just think a financial transaction should be taxed along with everything else.”

They are…its called Captial Gains/Losses.

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“Boogers: a socialist, commie, pinko, confused person.”

LMAO…now that is funny!!

On another note…perhaps the kenyan might offer a bailout to Dubai?

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Doggone– yeah, yeah…that’s a good one! Adding it to my list…

Jesus was a preacher, teacher and as such spent his time at work using the spoken language (Aramaic)…Remember he held the Scribes and Pharisees in low esteem. Any writing he did would have been in Hebrew and would most likely have been destroyed during the crackdown and expulsions and it’s doubtful that his writings would have received very high priority by those rescuing what they could of the books being consigned to the flames….

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They are…its called Captial Gains/Losses.

clueless as to how a trade works, eh? I suppose playing around on ETrade can make one think they understand how the big boys do things.

But you’re still just baking a cake with the Hasbro “Easy Bake Oven”.

heh heh heh

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“sorry, but I think a transaction-based tax is a bad idea”

and another thing … is it based on the size of the trade? what kind of trade it is (is buying treasuries going to be taxed? or would the tax be limited to structured securities and derivatives?) do you tax the number of trades you do in a day – similar to the way the state taxes car sales??

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“Any writing he did would have been in Hebrew and would most likely have been destroyed during the crackdown ”

That’s quite likely true…but it’s easy to forget, these days, or never to have known…that Jesus primary audience was the country people of the villages and farms, not the city dwellers. His audience was, like him, unable to read and write…and oppressed by the rulers that lived in the cities.

That’s all one reason I like to read Crossan’s works. He helps me to understand what the people of Jesus day heard and understood when they listened to him teach (not preach!)

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I better not push Booger’s buttons too much or I’ll have to deal with a daily barrage of requests by the Boog for me to go help the folks in Woodruff Park.

He does have a tender ego.

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Finn……

http://www.fergusonsirishlinen.com/otherproducts/viewdetails.asp?catID=3&styleID=22

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JoNix –

10:51 … besides, I thought reading the Torah was required for your bar mitzvah – don’t you do a reading in front of the synagogue??

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booger’s 10:54.

wow.

next thing, he’s going to give us such investing nuggest o’ wisdom like “buy low, sell high”

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“that it is also odd that Jesus apparently had no children.”

There’s two ways of looking at that: that he had foreknowledge of his future, and so avoided marriage and children. Or his economic status made it difficult to find a suitable wife.

A lot of people today don’t want to hear it, but Jesus was extremely poor. Today a “carpenter” would be an honorable trade, but in Jesus day it was one of the lowest of the low, because it was a trade entered by people who had no land of their own to support themselves.

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Happy Day After Thanksgiving! I had me a nice piece of prime rib yesterday with horseradish sauce – grilled veggies and mashed potatoes. Little bit of dressing, but no turkey – no tryptophan haze for me.

I hope everyone had a nice day yesterday. Apparently Block has a habit of posting old internet garbage.

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Finn –

“To reduce these disruptions, he called for a small tax on every exchange of currencies”

ahhhhhhhhhhh … so, it’s not so much a tax on ALL trades, it’s a tax on currency trades. interesting …

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“Things like that make me wish I had a time machine to go back and observe the reality”

Try reading some of John Dominic Crossan’s works on the subject, especially “The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant” – which paints a very vivid picture without any religious aspects.

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… but Bosch … did you have pie???

(and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god …)

you just needed some yorkies to go with it!!! nomnomnom …

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Doggone–
I will beg to differ on the “preach” aspect. The tradition of preachers (kohelet) is very strong in the Jewish world and they are a separate category from the rabbinical, dealing more with worldly rather than other worldly concerns…the Hebrew term is from the name Solomon used for himself in setting down Ecclesiatices which, in Hebrew, is called Koholeth. The term combines preacher and teacher into a single concept…Jesus would have been a kohelet, not, as many think, a rabbi…

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USinUK,

Yes, I had apple pie! And German Chocolate Cake. I don’t deal with the sweet potato/pumpkin concoction some folks call pie. That’s just wrong. I think it’s the cloves. Cloves are meant to be smelled in the harvest time potpourri, not eaten in food.

“and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god”

Oh, so totally agree. No tryptophan haze, more like a wine/champagne haze for me yesterday!

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“I will beg to differ on the “preach” aspect”

I wouldn’t argue with you on that, I was speaking from the Christian tradition of the difference between “teaching” and “preaching”

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Seems that a carpenter would need tools and wood. Is there, or was there, a lot of trees in the area of Jerusalem, Canaan, where ever. Sorry, it has been a very long time since my Sunday School days. Basically, I am asking about resources. Even farmers need furniture. Farming, especially subsistence farming, does not leave much time for anything else.

I don’t mean to be flip or disrespectful, mind you. I am an atheist, but there is a great historical and cultural perspective to be gained from people who have studied the stories and the period. I appreciate listening to your perspective.

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Gale,

That’s the thing (in my world) – you study the stories and apply it to your life – now. I personally think the Carpenter was a highly enlightened individual as his stories suggest, and his message is still applicable.

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“Seems that a carpenter would need tools and wood”

Certainly they would. And there was more wood in that area then, than there is now. But also, remember that the Roman economic systems introduced into that area was geared to huge production and not to individualism.

It’s quite likely – though I don’t know it for sure – that the wood supplied to carpenters was provided by the customers. And also, such workmen would have dealt with repairs as much, or more, as with new production.

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4:19 … and it’s dusk … a little bit of light left in the sky, but not much …

is it the solstice, yet??? (sigh)

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Bosch – I’m so there!!! I’ll bring the cheese course (Red Leicester, Stilton, Stinking Bishop, a good sharp farmhouse cheddar, wensleydale, and some caerfilly should round out the offering)

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Hey Bosch!

USinUk–
I was just getting ready to post on that. Also Jesus could not have officiated at the Last Supper (the Pesach Seder) were he not literate in Hebrew.

As for trees in the Levant..there were plenty at the time…the deforestration came later which is why one of the first things the zionist hoodlums did on return to Eretz Israel was to put their efforts to work in planting trees, as Sophie Tucker would say, “kiss my tuchus and plant a tree for Israel!”)

Counter tops? Well, jus’ sayin’, but most of today’s rabbis likely have marble ones…

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USinUk–
“…the lowest of the low…” Still cleaning the coffee from the screen!

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Jesus was a Capricorn.

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“Paul said, “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife””

Paul said that? Damn I always knew our blogger friend had the patience of Job.

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Booger, I think it more likely Jesus was Pisces or Aries.

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USinUK

The bris…Mama always said it may have been G-d who ordered it, but it was Sara who put the bug in H-s ear!

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“That is serious craftmenship.”

Yes, it is – to today’s world. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that it was a valued craft in Jesus world. It was land ownership that was valued, especially by the Romans. The production of crafts was almost exclusively done by landless workers…who did not make a lot of money, and who also had no means of raising their own food.

And there’s even some doubt that Joseph WAS a carpenter. In the Greek versions of the writings about Joseph the word used for him was “tekton” (this according to Crossan) and the correct translation of tha word is not carpenter, it is laborer.

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Well Christ definitely wasn’t a Gemini … the sermon on the mount would have been something like “Blessed are the poor … oh, that reminds me, I need to make a deposit in the bank … have you seen my checkbook? oh, look! a stick of gum!! … has anyone seen my car keys? oh, there they are, under this month’s Economist … oh, hey, there’s an interesting article on emerging markets … now, what was I saying??”

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JoNix –

11:35 … all i’m saying is that it’s proof that Moses never wandered up near Scandinavia …

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josef,

Yeah, second shelf behind the air pump.

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USinUK–now how did you know I am a Gemini!” But, see, I think he was, “…but, on the other hand…look, it’s really not so complicated, but for the sake of argument…you want wine with those fish, geez, picky-picky–you want me to spend Easter doing what?…just how many different ways do you want me to put it…the meek shall inherit the earth, is that what you want…?”

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“I don’t know, Job, there just something about you that p*sses me off!”

Josef, have you ever thought how petty that story makes God seem?

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Bosch–

I really like our Paul (and you!) for just that reason…when y’all raise a stink, I stop and listen. Others? Oh, well, just another day picking a fight at the playground…

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Finn –

or make an onion tarte tatin and top it with stilton when you serve it … ohmygod…

Doggone –

“Josef, have you ever thought how petty that story makes God seem?”

I’ve always thought that story and the one of God telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac juuuuuuuuuuust so Abraham could prove how much he loves god was … well … BS

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josef,

Thanks! I try, but I too am only human (and besides, sometimes pickin’ fights are fun). The other day, Paul got a little persnickity at someone for Paul, it was something along the lines of him calling me a “doo doo head” but for Paul it was huge. I told him to tone it down.

Doggone,

That story never set well with me either – for some reason neither does praying for an individual. It makes me think that god is sitting up there (or wherever) with a check list – “Oh that’s one more for so and so.” I always say I’m sending positive thoughts or something like that ’cause I reserve a “prayer” for all – not just one. I think it’s more important to think of someone when they are troubled, send good thoughts their way, keep them close in your head and heart, not to pray for them. Maybe people intertwine prayer and happy thoughts – I’m not like that. I know, call me weird.

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“was … well … BS”

Yep, me too. Though in the story of Abraham, maybe not quite so much. That sort of test seems to me more to show Abraham how sincere his love was, not to prove it to God. But the story of Job just doesn’t ring right…that a loving God would kill Job’s wife and children just to prove a point to other and inferior gods. That’s much too close to “making your god in your image” to be to my taste.

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Doggone –

“Though in the story of Abraham, maybe not quite so much”

but, you forget … he promised Abraham a son … made him wait hundreds of years for Sara to bare him one … then says “great, now, go kill him to show me how much you love me”

talk about emotionally abusive!

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“I think people think of “prayer” as a Christmas wish list for God (as John Shelby Spong said). I don’t think that way”

This is what took me a long time to learn: that the ability to be sincer in prayer is a gift that not everyone is given. I don’t have it, I can only hope that God understands!

But this is what prayer isn’t: wishing, hoping, wanting, needing, desiring, asking.

And no matter how sincere you are in prayer, you can’t pray for your desired outcome to an event that has already happened.

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BOSCH–
The leprechaun of the hedge school always said, “G-d ain’t Santa Clause. That’s too bad.” He also referred to G-d as “the Great B*okkeeper in the Sky.”

On Job–I never did understand just what it was the kids did to deserve all that..the aforementioned uncle claimed that having the wife he had was test enough…

Now as for prayer for the individual, I do believe in that…it’s thinking of others in their time of need and I do believe in saying a “baruch” when I hear of somebody doing something good for someone else just because…

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RT –

wow … that makes 3 of us … we’re taking over!

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USinUK–
My druggie nephew’s nickname is Zeke, cause he’s always seeing wheels in the middle of the air!

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USinUK, RT–No! That makes at least six of us!

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US,
Actually that makes 6 of us…

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Dammit Joseph,
Now you’re on my list…

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Doggone

When I asked Granddaddy how to reconcile this point, his answer was “Be still and know that I am G-d.” There are just some things we aren’t meant to understand which, really, is why we “invented” G-d to begin with…

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“buy low, sell high”

Damn, USinUK–NOW you tell me.

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Bosch==prayer as talking to G-d…my belief exactly…

“Why is it when you’re talking to G-d, your’re praying: but when G-d talks to you, you’re a paranoid schizophrenic?” –Lily Tomlin

RT–just ONE list?

USinUK–later! And as ye drive home in the gloamin’, just remember that come summer, you get all those hours back in the sunlight!

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WASHINGTON (AP) – The Secret Service maintains that President Barack Obama was never in danger at a state dinner after an uninvited Virginia couple got through security, but it wouldn’t comment on whether anyone is screened for radiological or biological weapons.

I wish we could say the same about that potato chip that almost did W in…

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Here’s the Virgo version:

““Blessed are the poor …Um, pardon me, sir, yes you in the front row. There’s a bit of lint on your lapel…..”

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“prayer as talking to G-d”

And miracles DO happen, and God DOES have a sense of humor…I learned both of those at the same time. For a while I had to commute from Macon to Atlanta daily. And my drive home was after midnite. One night driving down I285 in my old VW van, it was cold and raining. I had, for some time, been having trouble with my windshield wipers stopping, and I would have to hit the switch to get them to start again.

Well, on this cold and rainy night, they stopped and would NOT start again…and I got really scared. I couldn’t see to get over to the side, and I was really afraid I’d cause an accident. I hit the switch just one more time and they started up, and ran the entire time until I got home. Miracle accompolished!

The sense of humor part? They never would work again and I had to break down and get the van to the mechanic to fix them!

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Hello everybody.

USinUK, I have wanted to leave a message to you for the longest time just to say how much I enjoy reading your posts. You have such a quick wit, something I am envious of. I can sometimes think of a good comeback, but it is usually the next day or something, and by that time, well who cares?

As to whether or not Jesus could read, . . .

Luke 4:16 – He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.

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Doggone–
That story from Letters made me stop and think, too, that one and the p*ssing on the wall one, “what kind of G-d is that? Half of them couldn’t p*ss on the wall even if they wanted to!”

We had a rabbi when I was in college whose sermon was on the line from Fiddler when Tevye says to G-d “would it spoil some vast, eternal plan, if I were a wealthy man?” He laid out various scenarios of what might have happened had Tevye’s “wish” been granted, a sort of Jewish “Christmas Carol…”

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“I hit the switch just one more time and they started up, and ran the entire time until I got home. Miracle accompolished!”

I dated one lady who would thank Jesus if the traffic light turned green at just the right time. Finally I asked her what about the folks coming the other direction whose light just turned red? Did Jesus not love them?

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“I just don’t like to think of “God” that way – that somehow it is required to beg.”

I know what you mean…and so many of those “beggers” will also say they believe God is all-knowing, but can’t explain why – if he’s all-knowing – it’s necessary to pray in the first place. Shouldn’t it, in that case, be like the ad: “Psychics wanted – you know who to call”?

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Doggone–A musical tribute in honor of your”miracle”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONK1WWwalWY

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Thanks Bruno…haven’t heard that one in a long time!

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Relative to the nature of G-d and man in the Jewish tradition versus the Christian and Muslim–we are not only allowed to get angry with and argue with G-d, we are expected to. It helps to vent the angst and often when G-d yells back…

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BRUNO–
Somebody once asked Unmentionable what the difference was between Southern Christians and others, he said “well, you know Southerners do everything backward. We start reading the Bible with Revelation and work backward. We know how it turns out and don’t try to change things…”

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Probably the most religious people I know are gamblers. “Please, Lord, just let this guy hit a nine one more time, and I’ll never ask for another favor ever again……”

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I missed the discussion the other day about Adam and Eve, but wanted to share a couple of quotes relevant to that.

“Your God person puts an apple tree in the middle of a garden and says, do what you like guys, oh, but don’t eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting ‘Gotcha.’ It wouldn’t have made any difference if they hadn’t eaten it.”

“Why not?”

“Because if you’re dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won’t give up. They’ll get you in the end.”
– Douglas Adams, “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe”

and

Adam was but human—this explains it all. He did not want the apple for the apple’s sake; he wanted it only because it was forbidden. The mistake was in not forbidding the serpent; then he would have eaten the serpent.
– Mark Twain, “Pudd’nhead Wilson”; from Pudd’nhead Wilson’s Calendar

DANG! I missed USinUK again!

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BRUNO–
Was playing cards one p.m. and, off the cuff let out one of those “G-d willing” ones, to which Unmentionable, played, raked in the pot and said, “H- ain’t listenin’ to the Christ Killers.” And says after tallying his take, “what a friend we have in Jesus!”

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“and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god”

and Beer is a sign that G*d loves us and wants us to be happy

Good religious discussion going on. Although, according to some of the Conservatives here, all y’all Liberals want to do is bash Christians and Christianity. So quit the discussing, and get to the bashing already. You know Conservatives are never wrong.

And a little musical selection to help get y’all through the afternoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgAj65Aw1Y
ROLLLLLLLLLL TIDE!!!!!!

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“That doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to get up off you sorry a** and do something instead of sittin’ there waiting for G-d to do it for you…”

Like the people trapped on their roof by a flood. A guy in a canoe comes by to save them, and they refuse…because “God will save us.” Then an emergency crew comes in a power boat, and again they refuse because “God will save us.” Then a helicoptor crew tries to save them, and they refuse because “God will save us.” And the water rises and they drown…and when they get to heaven they want to know why God didn’t save them. And St Peter said “We sent you 2 boats and a helicoptor, what more did you want?”

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Bruno@ 12:32 –

I’m going out on a limb here, but ya’ll didn’t date too long after that I’ll bet.

ABM,

I always get a kick out of those here who throw out “Christian bashing” – what they really mean is “OMG!! You think different than me and my tiny little brain can not compute!! You CAN’T be a Christian!!!!” Jesus has always been just alright with me!!

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“Doggone – that verse in Luke WAS talking about Jesus. He was the one who stood up to read”

WW – hasn’t our discussion to date shown you that you need to understand the difference in something written ABOUT Jesus, and something said BY Jesus. Luke was not a child in the same village as Jesus, he didn’t KNOW that Jesus could read, he ASSUMED it because he, Luke, could read.

We actually have no written eye-witness accounts of Jesus childhood.

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Bosch I think you have that prayer/energy thing right.

My fianl paper on Christianity in Religions class was entitled “Jesus Rides the Tao” and sent my fundie teacher into the nethers.

Too many people view prayer as a PIN number to some cosmic cash machine, or to handicap today’s football game.

Our joke at church when someone said “I’ll pray for you” was to mutter “Gee, thanks a lot.”

But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night as a result of it is something else altogether.

Signed, a Gemini

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“We actually have no written eye-witness accounts of Jesus childhood.”

Thankfully there were plenty of painters around. Otherwise we wouldn’t know what Jesus even looked like.

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that want to, do. Them that don’t want to, discuss to death.

Just sayin’.

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“But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night as a result of it is something else altogether.”

I thought that was called being horny.

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Afternoon everybody. Have I mentioned recently how much I enjoy cleaning the gutters?

Damn, that job just plain old-fashioned sucks!

“Good religious discussion going on.”

So ABM, it is too early to begin this year’s War On Christmas yet?! (Or do we have to wait until the combat hardened William O’Lie-lly sounds the alarm first?)

B, I was looking for some stuff on my birth state and kind of stumbled on this “discovery”. I guess I had heard of them, but never took a listen. The harmonies are pretty sweet and remind me a bit of Brewer & Shipley…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUVVGQjWFg4&feature=related

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“We do like to romanticize our legends and heros.”

Yes, we certainly do…and in the process we tend to destroy the essence of their message too, not just their memory.

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green jeans

“Too many people view prayer as a PIN number to some cosmic cash machine…”

G-d I wish I’d said that! Can I quote you?

A gemini, eh? That makes eight of us!

Bruno–how else would we know he was blonde and blue-eyed? My “second mama,” Doris K, used to call me her Botacelli Christ!

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“Otherwise we wouldn’t know what Jesus even looked like.”

On a funny note, a few years ago my sister and I were cleaning out the barn and found the light-up Nativity set my parents used to stick in the yard in the ’70s.

Mary had blond hair, and was quite fair.

I guess Sears Roebuck didn’t spend much time thinking about what Jesus might have looked like.

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With all the Geminis here, it is a wonder there is ever any coherent conversation. Y’all must be exceptional specimens.

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I’m Aquarian too, Normal, but Gemini rising.

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GALE

“I agree Jesus was Pisces. They do so love to be martyrs.”

Don’t they just!

Oh, you poor geminis married to a pisces! You have my sympathy! That blasted bunc “feels” everything and wouldn’t think if they had to…and the worst part of it is, they’re generally right!

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“I guess Sears Roebuck didn’t spend much time thinking about what Jesus might have looked like.”

Probably not…but they knew to a T what their customers THOUGHT he should look like.

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wet wiccan, wow!

St. Josephs Hospital in Wichita. And on top of that, I was born on January 29th – the day Kansas was admitted to the Union! (Not the same year smart asses!)

I spent my first 16 years living in Sedgwick and Sumner counties.

you?

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Doggone you are so right. I took custody of the set, and rectified things with a Marks-a-lot.

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Green Jeans,

I don’t know if I got it right – I know what works in my head.

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GALE–
Coherent conversation? Well, that depends on your definition of coherent…even when talking to myself we know what we’re talking about!

Me? Gemini, Saggitarius rising and stellium of five planets (including moon) in Cancer…not gooood!
(But Mars in Capricorn, so don’t mess with me!

OKAY, where’s NIF? We’ve gone off on astrology!

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Bruno, that was an excellent mix, thanks…

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Since Matilda isn’t here, I’ll speak up on her behalf to increase the Gemini total to 12.

My Mercury is in Gemini, which explains my chattiness. Moon in Cancer, though.

“If you think Cancer Suns are hopeless victims of their own emotions, a Cancer Moon kicks any Sun sign’s whine factor up several notches”–Hazel Dixon-Cooper.

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AmVet I lived in Wichita until I moved to Georgia when I was 25. (Except for my junior year of HS, when I lived in San Antonio) I am a West High grad ‘72. GO PIONEERS! Sumner County, is that Newton?

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Bosch

November 27th, 2009
1:24 pm
Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing.

It was a Catholic thing…

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“I was born on January 29th”

Ha!!! I was right. And I thought there was nothing to Astrology, Am?!?!?

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Gale, I like the way the dates work out. I get my present first and I have 24 hours to reciprocate. Nice, huh?

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josef, but that puts your Cancer stellum in the 7th house, no? Seems that would be good for a relationship.

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Any bets that AmVet’s moon is in Cancer as well?

If you don’t know for sure, Am, you can go to astro.cafeastrology.com for a free chart. It even has a compatibility reading for you married folks. Lot of fun, give it a try.

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Hate to bring this up while we are discussing astrology, but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio? I’ve often heard that we’re the most difficult to get along with.

November 14th, baby!

Mrs. R. and I have been married for twenty wonderful years – 25 total, but five weren’t so good (rim shot).

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wiccan, Wellington.

Actually a little chicken village called Perth. Population 48! My dad worked at Boeing and I went to a two room school until the seventh grade. It was as rural as one can imagine, but gawd it was good life. And I learned the value of HARD work there. Really hard work.

But there was also time for four speed GTOs and motorcycles. (I feel the need, the need for speed.)

OK, you guys lost me with all your risings and such in such in so and so…(Where the hell is Nancy when I need her? Probably still just saying no…)

I’m more an ascension and declination kind of cat!

B, that mix was pretty damn wild.

This one crept into my mind a bit ago (I still love that opening guitar part…)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFPaxK-q5gI

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Dave R, My brother is Nov 13. He just lost his Aquarian wife of 40 years. I think it was a mostly happy, though often tumultuous match. But I agree Scorpio can be difficult and I would probably stay away from Scorpios myself.

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“but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio? ”

According to Linda Goodman, “Scorpio has lessons to learn from Sagittarius–Sagittarius is tolerant of Scorpio’s shortcomings and different outlook”. Friendship matches include Virgo,Capricorn, Cancer and Pisces; conflict arises with Leo, Aquarius, Aries and Gemini.

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Bruno, Scorpios have shortcomings?

Not from this point of view, certainly!

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“Not as well known as some of their other stuff but it should be. I’ve always liked that D-C-F-D progression.”

Gotta run for a while, but here’s a LS tribute to my good friend, Dave. We were buddies for a long, long time, but fell apart when he left his wife and kids. Maybe I should have been a better “friend” and supported his decision, but I didn’t support it and let him know in no uncertain terms. It cost me our friendship, but I still love the guy anyway. This was his favorite LS song growing up in Enterprise, Alabama. Here’s to you, Dave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NbTpssTGRI&feature=related

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AmVet

Another one in the same vein. For people like me, there really is no place like home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM4NNQsUbHc&feature=fvw

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Dave R.,

No offense, but based on the Scorpio men I know, if my daughter brings one home, she will instantly be locked in a closet.

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“I don’t find you wishy-washy….just deceptive. ‘Tis wise to be skeptical of those who would deceive.”

You might make a good poker player after all, @@.

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And this dude was always a favorite of mine too – the only concert I ever went to with my dad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7vaYOIKWYY

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Bosch – Did you ever see the link I left for you for the “Send Dick Cheney back to Hell” game?

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“You might make a good poker player after all, @@.”

That is, of course, if you ever stopped believing your OWN BS:

http://www.thebiblepost.com/persecution-complex

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Bosch –

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/01/13/new-game-help-dick-cheney-get-back-home-to-hell/

Enjoy!

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Am and HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQ3pC9W1o4&feature=related

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Bruno:

Where are we given instruction to ridicule and mock them?

We’re not, but then it’s not I who has engaged in that kind of mockery since early this morn.

In a broader sense, it’s not I that mocks and ridicules the less educated…those who stand on traditions/principles handed down by their parents and grandparents. Break away if you like. There’s no need to break them down in the process.

Just my opinion! Do with it as you will.

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“We’re not, but then it’s not I who has engaged in that kind of mockery since early this morn”

“Tommy did it first” is not a very good defense. Whatever happened to “turn the other cheek”?

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To our Troops over there…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1moiym6-Nk

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Most everybody who has ever picked up a guitar has tried to play this at one time or another. Few, if any, can play it like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdLBxcLnoyk&feature=related

Chet plays this in open C position. Mother Maybelle played in C position with a capo on the 7th fret, so she was actually playing it in G.

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Hillbilly,

I never knew the connection between Willie Nelson and Chet Atkins until I saw a special on Willie the other night. I grew up listening to Willie, it’s the best memory of my dad I have. Thanks for posting that. I was noticing yesterday that my dad is getting pretty old and alot more frail and it’s been bothering me for a while. It’s tough watching our parents get like that.

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Bosch

Why is Luca Toni unhappy at Munchen?

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“I don’t think any of us were mocking Christianity”

Quite right, we were just discussing it from our own points of view.

“Narrow minds can’t think outside their perfect little boxes of how they perceive things. It’s quite sad and quite dangerous.”

Yep, and it’s a shame. They are missing so much. I once tried to explain to a young women the genesis of the “Xmas” usage for Christmas, but she had already been taught that it was a desecration and didn’t want to hear the truth about it.

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Kamchak,

Got me. I haven’t kept up with the Bundesliga this year like I have in the past. But with most things with players such as Toni, I’m sure it has more to do with his ginormous ego than anything else.

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Bruno

Vassar Clements was from Florida.

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Happy Spanksgiving wishes from all of the children at the Boogers for The Children Fund!

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Booger–Would you like to join my favorite charity? Nuke the Whales.

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Here is our official creed:

We should nuke the whales because they are plotting against us in a handful of sinister ways. For starters, they eat sailors, and sometimes even real people, too. Remember that Jonah guy? They also eat boats. Not those really small, dingy boats either. For example, you know the Titanic? It didn’t sink because it hit an iceberg. Come on, icebergs between the UK and the US? What am I, retarded? The only logical explanation would be the whales eating it.

The whales are also drinking all our water. Oh sure, it’s just a minor drought right now, but one day you will go to the beach and there will be a sign saying “Sorry, no water.” It will happen.

Lastly, those damn sea-mammals are eating all of our fish. The fish were put in the sea by Jesus for humans to eat, not whales. Don’t believe me, ask Him. Jesus, I mean. Ask Jesus about it. It being the fish. They’re for humans. The fish, I mean, not the whales or Jesus. Seriously, just ask Him. Do it! Do it now! Before it’s too late!

And, while you’re at it, ask Jesus why the ocean is so salty. Ever taste the ocean? Salty! Ever taste whales piss? Me neither!

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Bosch:

You’d be hard pressed to find where I’ve bashed ANY religion or its believers therein. I don’t consider it my responsibility. If I’ve ridiculed you, it’s only because you’ve had your fun ridiculing “fundies”.

More than a handful can play the same game, no?

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“And I see some of y’all have decided it’s Friday night even if Jay hasn’t.”

F Jay. He’s not here. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

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josef

I saw these and thought they might, on occasion, fit.

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F Jay. He’s not here. The inmates have taken over the asylum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAD28X-JZmE

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@@,

I didn’t say you bash any religion, I did say that you claim Christian bashing occurs here when anyone talks about it in a way you disagree with. Again, trying to spin it away from yourself to make yourself look clean. I think the link Bruno posted sums you up nicely. That, of course, is only my opinion.

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Well, RW, they ARE self-avowed democrats. As such, they’d probably prefer a woman keep her mouth shut so THEIR truth can set THEM free.

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I have never once heard a blogger here make the declaration that they are a self-avowed Democrat or Republican for that matter.

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I’m gonna have to break this one into several…..

These boys from England

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySKLs7w0ho

were big fans of the harmonies of….

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These boys from Alabama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUhYckHoTxM

who were big fans of the harmonies of……

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The moonbats were out on Michigan Avenue protesting animal cruelty in front of the Bloomingdales, after which they proceeded to march up through the throng of dazed shoppers, screaming at them with their bullhorns.

The hot Japanese chicks thought we were under attack until they saw me, cool western man, giggling at the moonbats, at which point they all joined in with a good hearty and jiggly laugh.

Right after the moonbats cleared the front of the store, the wife got herself a new mink coat…..

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Impromptu traveling tune appropriate for the situation-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-wHixgp2RE

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RW

Like both you and I, Bama is doing the Cancer thing. It ’s a “make them feel good” gesture. The 2nd half will be different.

Back after the game.

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It is always fascinating to see that some people and political groups have always been compelled to seek out outlets for the hatred which is born of their own insuffiencies as a human beings. The Jews have dealt with this as have the Irish and the blacks and certain other groups.

In our politically correct society today, there really is only one religious group left which may be persecuted publically by these types of people and that group is the Christians. As I have stated before, I have no use for people that wear their religion, no matter what religious affiliation it is, on their sleeves as I believe that their struggle for goodness should be displayed by their deeds, not by any social status which may be born of their particular belief. If people choose to believe in a higher power and that power is God and Jesus, then let them do it. Don’t demonize or belittle them for it just because you want to find a scapegoat for your own faults. If you don’t believe as they do, then don’t. Just don’t parse out hatred towards them because they believe differently than you do. Any religion that causes people to suffer or hurts people deserves close scrutiny (not hate) and right now the only group doing that is Islam. I don’t know of any current Christian terrorists, do you?

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Pogo,

That dude that shot the abortion doctor – and Eric Rudolph come to mind. And I could name a few who terrorized me as a child who are still alive and active in their church. Why don’t you go back to the previous page, Bruno linked a good essay you should read.

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Andy,

Just as we are all the son of God.

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Just thought I’d throw the pulpit exclusion in for good measure. It’s been bandied about by liberals/progressives on numerous occasions. All for the convenience of breaking down the “fundies” by SBAs.

The inconvenient truth is…..well…..it’s just not true. One would have to be an involved member to know these things.

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@@,

But it’s still a diversionary tactic to avoid and change the subject, and a sweeping blanket statement by yourself to include all liberals think that way, which is well……….just not true. Inconvenient for you huh?

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What to say when Tiger Woods gets behind the wheel …………… FOUR !

Boy, is there more to this story …………. hummmmm …………….

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Bosch:

Not changing the subject. The subject was your “fundies in a bunch”. If someone makes a statement about the backward ways of the Church re: women, and no one offers the truth, the statement is taken as fact.

I can’t let falsehoods stand. You on the other hand….

are more than happy to as long as the Church is the target.

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Okay, I was trying to keep my mouth shut (or my fingers still) but, I’m chiming in anyway. Times like this a.m. I’m always nervous when joining in on the religious hijinks. I don’t want to come off as disrespectful of the belief systems of others, but there is humor to be found in everything and I do believe G-d wants us to chuckle at both ourselves and H-m. Every faith, including the Dems and the GOP, have their dour element who are by-the-book according to the latest memo, people who are afraid to step outside the box for fear of being branded heretics.

There is a big difference, in my opinion, between joshing and serious questioning, and bashing. I will agree with many posters who have maintained that Christian bashing is “acceptable” in certain quarters and it pains me to see my fellow liberals let it pass without challenge. I feel the same way about South bashing, Jew-baiting, f*g snicker-snicker, GOP grave-dancing, Dem demoltion or what have you. Granddaddy’s dictum, “no offense meant, none taken” and “consider the source” would “fra many a blunder free us.”

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Get a grip woman. Nobody’s bashing “fundies” here. I’m perfectly willing to let “fundies” live their lives unencumbered by me, I just wish they’d reciprocate.

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““Jesus said, go to the entire world and preach the Gospel to every person; baptizing them in the name ”

Interesting command from someone who did no baptizing of anyone, don’t you think?

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I learned the quote as “…preach the Gospel to every creature…” Should have seen Unmentionable quoting scripture this a.m. to the squirrels raiding the bird feeder…

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To Doggone/GA:

Take it up with Him.

The point is, Christians are COMMANDED to try and convert all they can.

“I will make you fishers of men!”

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“And there’s something to recommend both…a truly wise individual, in my opinion, can combine the two in a seamless whole”

Sure, but when preaching becomes “do as I say, not as I do” then it no longer has any value.

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“The point is, Christians are COMMANDED to try and convert all they can”

The point is you can’t be SURE you are reading the words that Jesus actually said. You can only know that you are reading what someone else said he said. You have to balance that with what Jesus DID, and HE did not go around condemning others for their beliefs. He showed them, by the life he lived, how they too could come back to God.

Heck, even the 10 commandments does not say to worship ONLY the God of the Hebrews, it say “Thou shalt have no other gods BEFORE me”

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Since @@ brought it up…

11-28-2008

This morning’s headlines in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution announced that the Georgia Southern Baptist Convention adopted a policy that it would no longer accept donations from churches that had female pastors. Up to this time, it had been the policy of the entire Southern Baptist Convention to kick out churches, which had female ministers. Hundreds of former Southern Baptist congregations around the nation have either been excommunicated or voluntarily left the Southern Baptists over this issue. One of the most notable was the Plains First Baptist Church and its most famous member, Jimmy Carter.

The Georgia Southern Baptist policy was actually targeted at the 2700 member Decatur Baptist Church, one of the original members of the convention. (1862) All the other female led congregations have been already kicked out. The leaders of the Decatur church told the press that there has never been any communication between denominational leaders and their church on this matter. They find out what’s happening via the newspaper. Back stabbing and being sneaky, of course, was one of the principal teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.

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Hey!

I think Toe-Tappin-Andy is on to something with the cut-n-paste debate technique, I think I’ll have to do more.

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@@,

NOW, you’ve got your audience with Rightwing Troll. Take it up with them!

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josef nix:

If the shoe fits wear it.

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NIF if you’re out there this one’s for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBmSppk9n9c&feature=related

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“refero quattuor”

“If the shoe fits wear it.”

K’chak??? Is that you?

Seriously, though, try to remember the words of the spiritual, “everybody talking ’bout heaven ain’t goin’ there.”

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Bosch:

Changing the subject? You do that all the time. If that doesn’t work for ‘ya, you find some excuse to leave.

Have you been able to bring forth any evidence of my boxed in thinking? There’s plenty of evidence to the contrary in archives. Would you search it out? Nooooo!

But you will put forth the unsubstantiated claim that I am boxed for your delivery. I’m not gonna sit back and make it convenient for you to deliver.

BTW, it wasn’t me who brought up mockery…it was Bruno with a link he posted at 2:40. I just responded to his link.

Rightwing Troll is talking convention/leadership, I was talking congregate/individual support.

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“I hope that doesn’t give Christian women a problem ??”

It does me…because it is completely and utterly at variance with the life that Jesus lived, and the precepts he laid out for people to live their lives. In the “patron/client” power system of the Mediterranean area in his time (and still to a great extent today) he lived a life completely in contrast to that power structure.

He refused to settle in one place and allow his followers to bring the people to him – the classic patron/client relationship. He wandered the roads and trails, he went TO the people and taught them. He resisted his followers desire to have him settle into the patron role they thought he should live.

I do not believe that he intended, or will, return as a King – the ultimate “patron” That would be a total betrayal of his life and teachings. I think those words were put in the Gospels after his life was over, by followers who simply COULD NOT, and WOULD NOT give up the power structure they knew best.

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BOSCH,

Sorry about your church but it is not like any church that I have attended. I am a member in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. . Please come join us. You are disillusioned or misinformed.

REFERO

Jesus gave no commandment. He did give us the Golden Rule. That is:

You shall love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul, strength, mind and your neighbor as yourself.

Read it in the tenth chapter of Luke. Most rewarding advice in many ways and just about what josef said in his 5:50 post.

Now…off to warm the leftovers, best ever if I do say so..

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Hillbilly– if you’re still here…remember the other day when we were talking about lyrics and what we THOUGHT we heard? Well piggy-backing on the preacher-teacher thread…first time I heard this I thought he said “I will be your Reese’s Pieces…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVUlTemF6Xs

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K’chak??? Is that you?

Nope. Le petit caporal has done the name change thing again.

I did leave you a shoe related message here

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