8:57 am November 26, 2009, by Jay
I hope everyone has a great day, surrounded by friends, family and bountiful food.
Angry Black Man
November 26th, 20099:01 am
I hope your holiday is a great one, filled with the love that only family and friends can provide. Have a safe and Happy Turkey Day.
And for everyone else, I hope your day is a safe one filled with happiness and joy (and good food/football). Everyone be safe.
November 26th, 20099:02 am
Ditto from here. Indeed, we have much to be thankful for.
…and don’t forget those less fortunate. Our cups runneth over.
November 26th, 20099:07 am
I’m thankful for 95 year old veterans and their wisdom:
Dear President Obama,
My name is Harold Estes, approaching 95 on December 13 of this year. People meeting me for the first time don’t believe my age because I remain wrinkle free and pretty much mentally alert.
I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1934 and served proudly before, during and after WW II retiring as a Master Chief Bos’n Mate. Now I live in a “rest home” located on the western end of Pearl Harbor allowing me to keep alive the memories of 23 years of service to my country.
One of the benefits of my age, perhaps the only one, is to speak my mind, blunt and direct even to the head man.
So here goes.
I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.
I can’t figure out what country you are the president of. You fly around the world telling our friends and enemies despicable lies like:
· “We’re no longer a Christian nation”
· ” America is arrogant” – (Your wife even announced to the world,” America is mean-spirited. ” Please tell her to try preaching that nonsense to 23 generations of our war dead buried all over the globe who died for no other reason than to free a whole lot of strangers from tyranny and hopelessness.)
I’d say shame on the both of you but I don’t think you like America nor do I see an ounce of gratefulness in anything you do for the obvious gifts this country has given you. To be without shame or gratefulness is a dangerous thing for a man sitting in the White House.
After 9/11 you said,” America hasn’t lived up to her ideals.” Which ones did you mean?
1. Was it the notion of personal liberty that 11,000 farmers and shopkeepers died for to win independence from the British ?
2. Or maybe the ideal that no man should be a slave to another man that 500,000 men died for in the Civil War ?
3.I hope you didn’t mean the ideal 470,000 fathers, brothers,husbands,and a lot of fellas I knew personally died for in WWII,because we felt real strongly about not letting any nation push us around because we stand for freedom.
4. I don’t think you mean the ideal that says equality is better than discrimination. You know the one that a whole lot of white people understood when they helped to get you elected.
Take a little advice from a very old geezer,young man. Shape up and start acting like an American.If you don’t, I’ll do what I can to see you get shipped out of that fancy rental on Pennsylvania Avenue .You were elected to lead not to bow, apologize and kiss the hands of murderers and corrupt leaders who still treat their people like slaves.
And just who do you think you are telling the American people not to jump to conclusions and condemn that Muslim major who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and wounded dozens more. You mean you don’t want us to do what you did when that white cop used force to subdue that black college professor in Massachusetts who was putting up a fight ? You don’t mind offending the police calling them stupid but you don’t want us to offend Muslim fanatics by calling them what they are,terrorists.
One more thing. I realize you never served in the military and never had to defend your country with your life but you’re the Commander-in-Chief now,son. Do your job. When your battle-hardened field General asks you for 40,000 more troops to complete the mission, give them to him. But if you’re not in this fight to win, then get out. The life of one American soldier is not worth the best political strategy you’re thinking of.
You could be our greatest president because you face the greatest challenge ever presented to any president.
You’re not going to restore American greatness by bringing back our bloated economy. That’s not our greatest threat. Losing the heart and soul of who we are as Americans is our big fight now. And I sure as hell don’t want to think my president is the enemy in this final battle.
Harold B. Estes
Note: Snopes is rating the authorship as “undertermined” but the message is clear ……………
November 26th, 20099:09 am
May each and every one of you have the best one yet!
November 26th, 20099:47 am
(Lacks) Common Sense:
The EXACT quote is: “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation — at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”
So if you just want to spread propaganda like Hitler, Stalin and other notable fascists, go ahead! BTW, this quote can be found everywhere on the web without any effort.
What you’ve done is post something that was probably written by one of those extreme right “authors”. Of course no one has been able to find Mr. Estes. I must say that he writes incredibly well for a 95- year old man. (sarc)
November 26th, 20099:49 am
Ditto here, Jay and friends.
We all are amazingly lucky to be born Americans, aren’t we?!
Hopefully, unlike CO, many more than folks than not, will let go of their derision and petty opinions for this one day and enjoy it for what it is meant to be.
Here’s to fellowship, friends, family and football!
November 26th, 20099:55 am
Pardon me, make that CS…
November 26th, 200910:12 am
You are as ignorant as the moron that wrote the letter.
November 26th, 200910:13 am
You DO realize that if some let go of their derision and petty opinions, they have nothing left, don’t you?
Have fun today, and be safe.
November 26th, 200910:17 am
Y’all, posted downstairs earlier, but I want to wish everybody a Happy Thanksgiving again. Today, let’s all think good thoughts of family, friends, and food. Happy thanksgiving all!
November 26th, 200910:34 am
Happy Thanksgiving to all from your “I didn’t do nothing wrong” inmate thug pals at the Clayton County jail who will enjoy a cold Thanksgiving meal today.
Remember our hot meals (like health care, a flat screen, cell phone, an Escalade, government provided housing and food) are a right!!!
November 26th, 200910:37 am
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Tn – yes, ‘Our cups runneth over’…
And the meek shall inherit the earth
May we continue, on this day of thanks, to trend toward gratitude and away ungraciousness…
Let us continue to pray for those who are unable to see the Truth, those who continue to let irrational fear consume their souls.
Thanks for the forum, Jay – best blog in the land.
November 26th, 200910:38 am
To N-GA, mm, AmVet, ABM, et al:
Like I indicated at the end, the authorship cannot be verified but the message is clear.
I hope you read Obama’s Thanksgiving message to the nation yesterday. No mention of God whatsoever so I don’t know who we are to “thank”.
By the way AmVet ………….. are our troops fighting today? Yes they are …….. they don’t get to “let go” for one day in their real war so I don’t “let go” one day in the war against those who would destroy the Judeo/Christian fabric and liberty of this Republic. No “time outs”.
However, I will enjoy a little turkey and other delights this afternoon as I recall my Thanksgiving dinner of 1967 (a can of beans & weenies) in Quang Tri Province. “For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know”. Author Unknown – found written on a C-Rations box, Khe Sahn, 1968.
Thank you God for this wonderful day and in your mercy bless even those who turn their backs on you ……………….
November 26th, 200910:46 am
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation.
Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor– and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be– That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks–for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation–for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war–for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed–for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted–for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us.
and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions– to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually–to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed–to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord–To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us–and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.
November 26th, 200910:47 am
I don’t plan to get involved in a day long heated battle over he said/she said stuff, but since you added my name to your list, I’ll address your comments.
I didn’t read Obama’s Thanksgiving message to the nation, nor do I really care what he said. You do realize that the United States does have freedom of religion. What you perceive as a lack of acknowledging G*d, may have been his attempt to allow people to insert the deity of their choice. Maybe he should have said so to make that point clear. There are those who are Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, and yes Muslims who are US citizens and do have the right to worship their G*d.
You really floor me. You complained about what people said about Bush and Conservatives, yet you launch the same attack against Obama and Liberals. I guess your name really says it all, though. You have to display common sense somewhere, because it sure isn’t in your posts.
By the way, have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I will pray to G*d that he neutralizes some of the bitterness in your heart.
November 26th, 200910:53 am
CS, with b_llsh_t like yours, you should run for office!
That you compare your puerile writings and animosity to those in uniform and their sacrifice today is to me disgraceful and repulsive.
But worse for you, you can (and will) shove your god in people’s faces non-stop, and you will still never find any redemption.
OK, out and about for the things that matter today!
Enjoy this day, everyone!
November 26th, 200910:58 am
If those on the right, who claim to know God, knew Him at all, they would not be ruled by the senseless fear that dictates their miserable, ungrateful lives.
May they find Him today
November 26th, 200911:13 am
To paraphrase josef from last night, Obama did mention himself several times during his address so he probably thinks that covered the Deity issue.
Happy Thanksgiving All
See you tomorrow.
November 26th, 200911:19 am
I thought that one of Christ’s teachings was to love thy neighbor and to not judge others. God, whichever one you worship, will judge us upon our death. As we enjoy the Thanksgiving holiday and recollect what we are grateful for, hopefully we will take the time to refresh our spiritual understandings and commitments and how they should be apart of all our actions, thoughts and words. Peace to all, and Happy Thanksgiving. Bless our troops and leaders.
November 26th, 200911:31 am
I’d hate to hear how you folks respond to a “good morning”
November 26th, 200911:37 am
Isn’t it amazing that the Hindu, Buddist, Muslim and many other religions/civilizations developed over the centuries into the great bastions of democracy and respect for individual liberty that we know today? Hummmmm …………………… I’m sure they are very thankful that they are able to worship here as they please.
But in the Judeo/Christian colonies, even Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner, wrote “all men are created equal” knowing that he was setting the foundation to someday rid our country of slavery. The framers of our Constitution penned their names to it knowing also that its words would eventually bring freedom to all men. Find that in “any” other world civilization/religion without a Judeo/Christian heritage.
Personally, I am eternally grateful and thankful to God not just today but everydya for that heritage and the patriotism of our soldiers to be willing to give their lives to extend that freedom to others less fortunate. Those of you who have never fought for your country have no idea what that takes.
It is truly sad that so many hear the Liberty Bell tones of freedom echo back as bitterness and animosity. The problem is in your hearing ………. not the message.
As it says in the Holy Scriptures, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord” and “The Truth shall make you free” !
Ooo Rah! Amen! Semper Fi! Happy Thanksgiving !!!
November 26th, 200911:45 am
Congress shall not promote one religion !!! Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
It's about me, me, me
November 26th, 200911:51 am
Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said that we must take a stand
To make sure everyone gets a chance
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
He said red, yellow, black or white
All are equal in his sight
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
Mmm, mmm, mm
Barack Hussein Obama
Hello, Mr. President we honor you today!
For all your great accomplishments, we all doth say “hooray!”
Hooray, Mr. President! You’re number one!
The first black American to lead this great nation!
Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans
To make this country’s economy number one again!
Hooray Mr. President, we’re really proud of you!
And we stand for all Americans under the great Red, White, and Blue!
So continue —- Mr. President we know you’ll do the trick
So here’s a hearty hip-hooray —-
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
Hip, hip hooray!
November 26th, 200911:52 am
John 5:1-16). To them He says: “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
November 26th, 200912:19 pm
Happy Thanksgiving from the right side of the table, Jay. Hope you and the family have a good one.
P.S. to Road Scholar:
I believe the passage you are probably referring to (Matt. 7:1) in your 11:19 post above about “not judging” has to do with “hypocritical judging”. Jesus commands many times elsewhere to “judge righteously”.
John 5: “To them He says: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
Matthew 18: “Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
If you would like additional illumination and passages :
November 26th, 200912:30 pm
I’ll find G-d when I take that first mouthful of cornbread stuffing.
Have a great day, all
November 26th, 200912:33 pm
The American People
November 26th, 200912:35 pm
Obama has relied on “unprecedented” in more than 90 instances, using the word at least 129 times in everything from major addresses to small speeches, statements, memorandums and proclamations.
Unprecedented loss of popularity in 10 months
Unprecedented smoke and mirrors
Unprecedented loss of the Olympics
Unprecedented Secret Service issues
November 26th, 200912:59 pm
“Our cups runneth over.”
And let’s hope it’s just the cups, Joe the Plumber wants to spend the day with his loved ones, too!
Something to be thankful for we may not have thought of: in G. Washington’s address he at no point referred to the Un-versal in sectarian terms. Think about what that means coming from someone speaking over two centuries ago to our nation. As one who identifies with a people and a faith which spent almost 2000 years in the wilderness in unhospitable environments, this country, our nation, our first president made us welcome not as outsiders, but as “a part of the people” with a place to sink roots and call home.
As I look today at my family and guests there will be faces of many colors, politics of many shades, rich, poor and middle class, fans of opposing sports teams, tastes in music and reading from across the spectrum, and thanking our Cr-ator according to the dictates of many faiths and personal beliefs from the orthodox to the non-believers, The home will be the face of our America, that America our ancestors dreamed of when they addressed our finer nature.
I, for one, am grateful for that.
Of course, though, I’ll be sitting in the corner bad-mouthing the ones who aren’t there or who are out of earshot. We’re family. Families do that.
November 26th, 20091:22 pm
In spite of all our problems, I’m thankful I was born in this country, thankful I was born into the family I was born into, and thankful I live where I live.
November 26th, 20091:26 pm
CS: Here is what President Obama said:
If you go to read it, he mentions God in the first paragraph!
RQ: Thanks. Most people who “judge” are typically hypocrits! Happy Thanksgiving!
November 26th, 20092:49 pm
i think you guys are right about CS – GOT to be Private Corporal.
He even posts the same INSANE manifestos!!
N-GA, mm, AmVet, ABM – you all better watch out.
Next he’ll put you on his “list”
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
And Jay – this thread is useless without a picture of you in that blue tux
November 26th, 20093:09 pm
And the same to you, Jay! I think most of the posters here will be deeply into NFL – then continuing their struggle with – “My Pet Goat.”
November 26th, 20093:32 pm
Hope everybody is having a great Thanksgiving. Lets remember all our blessings come from God, so give Him thanks!
November 26th, 20093:35 pm
Amvet & A.Blackman;
C.S. mentioned God…he did’nt mention Shiva, Allah, Jesus, or any other diety by name.
Other faiths are not assaulted,demeaned,leftout, or promoted by mentioning or acknowledging God- especially on Thanksgiving Day !
November 26th, 20094:08 pm
You to Jay. This is a day that we should not through be looking through that cynical eyeglass that is politics but to celebrate just how damned fortunate we really are. Politics is going to destroy our nation if we don’t get ourselves under control.
stands for decibels
November 26th, 20094:10 pm
I’m thankful for having wonderful elderly in-laws to share Thanksgiving with in a few minutes.
And I’m thankful knowing that if I were to repeat what some fictional, senile old fool is quoted as saying above, to wit:
“I am amazed, angry and determined not to see my country die before I do but you seem hell bent not to grant me that wish.”
…that my father in law, a WWII vet who performed all manner of patriotic duties during his working life, would be happy to tell whoever wrote that nonsense to GFH.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 26th, 20095:09 pm
Surrounded by a bounty of dead pheasants and mallard ducks, fixing to hot shower my wet and frozen a$$.
Then it’s back to the tail hunt.
Happy Thanksgiving all.
November 26th, 20096:59 pm
To Road Scholar:
“RQ: Thanks. Most people who “judge” are typically hypocrits! Happy Thanksgiving!”
True …….. but it must be done or society will collapse! That’s why we have judges, juries, prosecutors, police officers, teachers, mothers, fathers, ministers, coaches, managers and a host of others who “judge” everyday on legal, business and moral issues just to name a few !
And by the way, guess what ……….. you even “judge” in your responses to others on these threads.
You can’t get away from it …………………..
November 26th, 20097:12 pm
I want to wish everyone a great and happy Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the time spent with family and loved ones.
I Report – any chance you were duck hunting on Lake Sinclair this morning around 7:30 – 8ish?
Blessings to all!
November 26th, 20097:22 pm
too much turkey….too much mashed taters…..must close eyes……
hope y’all had as wonderful a day as we did.
November 26th, 20097:49 pm
OH GAWD! I have hurt myself! Must take Alka-Seltzer!!, Wait! Did you say there’s pecan pie left? Oh. I’ll be right there…OH GAWD, I’m going to hurt myself…
November 26th, 20098:16 pm
no more pie….just hand me a spoon and the leftover whipped cream…….
November 26th, 20098:17 pm
It was everything it should have been! I’ll be on the Third Circle of Dante’s Inferno with the “gluttenous and supine!”
Normal: the ghost of Abe was exorcised due to a certain book!
November 26th, 20098:18 pm
Leftover whipped cream! Not leftover until tomorrow! Waste not, want not, Granny always said!
November 26th, 20098:23 pm
Josef, what book???
OH GAWD, I HURT…
November 26th, 20098:36 pm
Happy Thanksgiving, josef!
November 26th, 20098:37 pm
NORMAL–elsewhere on that!
“I can’t believe I ate the whole thing!”
November 26th, 20098:39 pm
AmVet, read in a previous thread that you climbed Mt. Ranier.
Thinking and hoping to do that myself, and was wondering about some things. How old were you when you did the climb, and what type of fitness level were you when you did it? I hear a good cardio level is key. And of course, did you make it to the top?
November 26th, 20098:51 pm
Thanks Dave…back at ya! BTW–never did Ranier, but for the inexperienced, Mt. Baker outside Bellingham is more accessible as is Garibaldi outside Vancouver, BC. Baker, I understand from folks up there, has been doing some more serious rumblings of late…Have you been to the aptly named “G-d’s Country?” Spectacular doesn’t even begin to describe it!
November 26th, 20099:07 pm
Thanks for butting your nose in grown folks conversations.
“Other faiths are not assaulted,demeaned,leftout, or promoted by mentioning or acknowledging God- especially on Thanksgiving Day !”
If you care to show me where I even inferred those actions were committed, planned or even thought of in my earlier post, feel free to do so. When you refer to G*d, you can be general or specific. I don’t remember the exact verse, but in the bible it is mentioned that he goes by many names. The names you mention are all the names of G*d in different monotheistic religions. The Bible even calls him by different names in different verses. Check out this link if you care to. I’ll look for your response in the am if you have one.
“From Elohim to Abba: the intimate names of God”
Don’t think that you’re responding to an atheist. I grew up in the Baptist Church, and not only did I teach some Sunday School classes from time to time, I was also a youth speaker.
November 26th, 20099:14 pm
Happy Turkey Day to ya! Hope you’ve had some time with ABW and ABC…
On the names of G-d…In Arabic there are 99 names for the Alm-ghty. They say that the camel alone knows the hundredth name of All-h, accounting for that smug expression he wears!
November 26th, 20099:25 pm
Once I got off work, we had some good quality time. The ABW is getting ready for work. Black Friday sales… She’s gotta be at work at 11pm to open the store at midnight.
I don’t think Mr. Steven realizes that G*d can be both specific and generic depending on how you use the name. I bet he also doesn’t know that the Sumerians, in their religious beliefs, also taught a story of the creation quite similar to the Old Testament. Different names, but the same story.
November 26th, 20099:27 pm
Dave, I was 45 when I went up there. And it was only after I saw the IMAX film at Fernbank about Everest that I really got the bug. I couldn’t stop thinking about it and then out of the blue three weeks later, a scuba diving buddy of mine said he was thinking about Rainier and was I interested. I said how long until we can go?
He and I specifically trained for about a year and half. And I was already in very good shape. (Many hours in the gym and many others doing cardio work.)
We trained extensively with 50 pound packs on Kennesaw Mountain. One Saturday we did both Big and Little twice – about 11 miles total.
We also made a trip to Albuquerque and climbed Sandia Mountain. It’s a walk up but was still challenging as hell and, though we were both very accomplished snow skiers, we wanted to try to do some climbing at altitude.
Even with all that – Rainier still kicked my butt.
We both did really well but I’ll not kid you, it was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done.
The climb to Camp Muir is pretty damn tough in and of itself – about 5 hours and 5,000 vertical.
From there, the plan is generally to leave around midnight or so and try to summit. Even though it was in June, the week I was there it snowed like mad. We made it to about 12,500 but the guides were very worried about avalanche potential in this one section we had to go through and we turned around.
It was, of course, disappointing but we spent the day climbing seracs, etc and it was still a wonderful time.
In retrospect the memories and photos I have of that week are almost surreal.
As you probably already know it is the perfect training ground for the guys who go on to Denali, Aconcagua and Nepal. Apparently the conditions are pretty similar to Everest and it can be very, very dangerous. And a lot of people have died climbing Rainer.
All that said, taking up mountain climbing in your forties is not easy. It is not always, but pretty much a young(er) guys sport.
Yet, I am happy I did it. But it was enough for me and the “climbing phase” of my life!
I would say, if you are in very good physical condition and train properly – go for it!
No matter the outcome, it is a trip of a lifetime….
November 26th, 20099:41 pm
The story of Gilgamesh is very similar to the Great Flood and, more secular, the 12 central laws of Hammurabi are pretty much the Ten Commandments…
November 26th, 20099:45 pm
Spot on. Almost all monotheistic religions have stories of the Creation that are pretty similar if I remember correctly. There are slight differences, but they all pretty much follow the same pattern. The older religions also share common stories/parables with the Old Testament. I’ve done a little reading on different religions. Curiosity got the best of my when I was younger. I wanted to know what the differences were between religions.
November 26th, 20099:56 pm
Time to go close the eyes and wait on the alarm. Night all
November 26th, 200910:02 pm
To Angry Black Man:
You have a good theological background. Regarding names then, I assume you are familiar with these crucial verses from Acts chapter four:
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
…………. and as Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me.” “Except you believe in Me, you are dead in your sins.” “He that believeth in Me is not condemned, but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the name of the Only Begotten Son of God.”
Truly something to be eternally thankful about on this special day ………………
November 26th, 200910:03 pm
One of those “little” sidelights in history that speaks to what we’re talking about here has to do with the early and relatively frictionless “conversion” of the Choctaw to Christianity. There was an effort on both sides to look for the commonalties between the two belief systems and among them were the stories of creation, a great flood, a journey from afar in search of a Promised Land, etc.
Once we break away from the didactic and begin to look more closely at our belief systems and the amalgamation of elements one from the other, these stories take on a deeper meaning speaking to the universal human experience.
November 26th, 200910:06 pm
Would love to go into a discussion of comparative theologies, but the body is overriding the spirit, and it’s off to the Land of Nod…
November 26th, 200910:07 pm
I hear you but only one religion teaches about the “Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.”
I also refer you to my 10:02. It either is the only way or it isn’t. I choose to believe the words of Jesus …………….
November 26th, 200910:44 pm
“It either is the only way or it isn’t.”
Hon, no one is trying to convert you to a different belief system. They only ask the courtesy that YOU not do that either.
November 26th, 200911:38 pm
A couple of aspiring reality-TV stars from Northern Virginia appear to have crashed the White House’s state dinner Tuesday night, penetrating layers of security with no invitation to mingle with the likes of Vice President Biden and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.
They just followed all the rest of the freaks in, haha.
And I know that you libs are babbling that Obozo was in no danger because all guests get x rayed, blah, blah, but that’s BS, somebody that wanted to could have snapped his neck.
No weapons needed.
By the way, how does Brian Williams, PMSNBC, get invited to a “state dinner,” doesn’t that kind of reek of impartiality?
And where was your invite, bookman, lackey?
November 26th, 200911:51 pm
But alas my friend, Jesus does not agree with that “courtesy”. You miss the point of what He commanded Christians to do ………
“Jesus said, go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to ever creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.”
If there was another way, He sure commanded us to waste a lot of unnecessary miles ………..
But he also created you with a free will and it’s your decision ……………. may you make the right one.
God bless ………………
Happy Thanksgiving A.blackman;
My problem was speed reading the comments. Also, making a post after stuffing my face w/turkey and then being in a hurry to get back to the woods for the evening hunt. I’ve been in the mountains ever since deer & bear season opened and got out of touch with blogging, communicating & socializing in general.
Actually my meaning of intent was to make the point of the generic aspect the word- God.
P.S. I’m probably older than you are and it’s a good bet not to presume what I don’t know about Sumerians (or anything else).
I’ll be setting my alarm for early morning too. When I’m stumbling thru the woods in the dark looking for an ambush site, I’ll think of you dealing with Black Friday or just going to work. Whatever, I hope you enjoy it ! I’ll wish you a Merry Christmas & Happy New Year,now, since Deer Season is not over till January…it will be awhile before I see ya around….
November 27th, 20094:19 am
Enjoy your hunting, and I wish you a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and a good successful Hunting Season. And yes, I’m getting dressed to go to work. The type of hunting I do has no beginning or end to the season. It’s a year-round, ongoing ordeal. My targets are a little different from yours, however. I primarly hunt threats to our great country, whether it’s illegal aliens, terrorists, or drugs. I appreciate you thinking of me, as my job is sometimes a thankless job.
Last, accept my appologies for assuming the depth of your knowledge. Although I believe age is not the most important indicator of knowledge, I do not know you, nor do I know the extent of your education thru scholastic achievement or life experience.
November 27th, 20095:36 am
Dave and JoNix …
re: mt baker – one of my best friends made the summit about 10 years ago – my brother tried but got extreme altitude sickness the day they were supposed to summit … both of them said it was gorgeous, but that you need to do some serious training before taking on something like that.
hope everyone has recovered from their tryptophan coma!! in the meantime, I’ve been sitting here patiently … where’s my pie???!!!
November 27th, 20095:57 am
No time for tryptophan here. Already on the job doing what I do best. Sleep is for the weak!!
November 27th, 20095:58 am
good grief – if I got as little sleep as you do, I’d be the Queen of Cranky! I hope you, at least, have some good tunes cranking …
November 27th, 20096:02 am
I usually get about 4-6 hours a night. It’s good to have a cranky edge with my job. That way people know I mean business. I usually get about 24oz of coffee in before I get started too. I’ve got a little headbanging going on with Metallica, Judas Priest, et al…
November 27th, 20096:11 am
I hate to do this I really do, because I’m afraid it will cause a deep divide between you folks here…
But stuffing or dressing???
I had dressing, and was none to happy about it, but alas I was at my sister’s house this year, so I had to defer to the hostess’ menu planning…
November 27th, 20096:17 am
4-6 hours??? criminey, I know new parents who get more sleep than that …
don’t know if you’re a Doonesbury fan, but the new character Toggle is right up your alley:
I’m a dressing guy myself, but I will do stuffing if that’s what is on the menu. I have a few different recipes for dressing including a cajun style complete with andouille sausage.
November 27th, 20096:18 am
stuffing OR dressing?? you mean you can’t have both???
November 27th, 20096:41 am
Haven’t read Doonesbury in a minute, I’ll have to check him out.
November 27th, 20097:27 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
November 27th, 20097:30 am
g’morning, Normal!! did you have a good day yesterday??
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 27th, 20097:32 am
State of GA unemployment numbers are out!
10.4% for Sept 09
10.4% for Oct 09
6.9 one year ago.
I wonder if those 10.4% are thankful ObaMao is pres? So…did the kenyan choke on a turkey neck yesterday?
November 27th, 20097:33 am
USinUK, yes, it was wonderful. I have a Great Grand Daughter, 18 months, who would come up to me and point and ask “Santa?”. We all agree it’s probably becauce I have a short white beard, up deep inside I think she’s wise beyond her years.
6.9%, that is.
November 27th, 20097:34 am
Good morning Booger, business as usual?
November 27th, 20097:37 am
Going to head out shopping in a bit. Lovely…
November 27th, 20097:40 am
“Going to head out shopping in a bit.”
Normal … whatever you’re on, I want some! there is not enough money on this planet, no matter the currency, to get me to shop the day after Thanksgiving …
Too late to go shopping. There’s nothing left in the stores. When I was driving to work this morning, you would have thought it was 7-8pm with all the people out and about. Every store by my home had lines all over the place except for Home Depot.
November 27th, 20097:43 am
I’m glad you had a good turkey day yesterday (and to celebrate it with a great granddaughter must have been a blessing beyond words!)
November 27th, 20097:44 am
ABM, yeah, I know…but the wife
November 27th, 20097:49 am
Booger – I suppose it’s Obama’s fault that Dubai looks to be going bankrupt …
(not to mention, the flooding in Cumbria and the fires in Australia)
November 27th, 20097:53 am
Krugman at NYtimes has an excellent piece on taxing wall St financial transactions. Good idea. Think of all those day traders getting a tax bill on even the minor transactions.
I work in the whiskey business where 58% of the price you pay for a bottle of spirits goes to the tax man. These traders can pay up too.
November 27th, 20097:57 am
Well, off to face the masses…back later. The wife bribed me with breakfast at Waffle House…she knows my weak spot…
November 27th, 20097:58 am
Finneus – long time no see … and belated happy thanksgiving to you!! hope you had a great day!!
don’t know that I necessarily agree with the taxation of all transactions – who gets taxed? the trader or the ultimate investor? and why should an investor like a pension fund get taxed when they’re just practicing prudent management of their investors funds???
November 27th, 20098:04 am
November 27th, 2009
Instead of hating Wall Street, day traders and most things representing financial gain why not join them. Its not that difficult.
November 27th, 20098:15 am
“Instead of hating Wall Street, day traders and most things representing financial gain”
“Instead of hating Wall Street, day traders and most things representing financial gain without doing lick of work”
Why do “conservatives” hate work and those that engage in it???
November 27th, 20098:29 am
My groceries are taxed. My new washer was taxed.
Instead of hating the eaters, washers and most of the normal American people…why not join them?
Right now it is pretty difficult.
November 27th, 20098:31 am
November 27th, 2009
Why be such a sour-puss. Read the books and learn how to day-trade or invest longterm, if you have enough movtivation.
You dems just hate movtivated, working individuals and that a shame for you.
PS…Im at work today…you?
November 27th, 20098:32 am
These Moonbats never rest-
Tony Blair could have delayed the 2003 invasion of Iraq and ensured better plans were in place for its chaotic aftermath by taking a tougher stance with President George W. Bush, Britain’s ex-ambassador to Washington said Thursday. Christopher Meyer, Blair’s U.S. envoy from 1997-2003, told a panel investigating the Iraq war that Blair failed to use his influence with Bush to stall the frantic rush to invasion.- Urinal
Nothing but incessant teeth gnashing and babbling from a so called “news” organization, the AJC, pure propaganda rag-
The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 , Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution (i.e., a law) passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.
They just woke up one morning 5 months before the invasion and here’s Bush, all of a sudden, itching to invade Iraq, so of course, they all voted yes on his whim.
Resolution 1441, Nov. 8, 2002: “Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions. … Decides … to afford Iraq … a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations … with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687.”
Here we are 4 months before the invasion and Bush is still itching, except now he needs permission from the United Nations for his whim rush to war.
The 2003 invasion of Iraq, (from March 20 to May 1, 2003) was led by the United States, backed by British forces and smaller contingents from Australia, Denmark, Poland and Spain.
Wow, that’s pretty good, tricking all those unwitting nations, one day their soldiers are at home with the family, the very next day, whammo, in the desert shooting at ragheads. All those tanks, howitzers and Humvees, they just popped up out of the sand, battle ready.
Small thumb sucking children at the AJC.
November 27th, 20098:39 am
Jobless rate holding steady-Urinal
Unemployment in metro Atlanta at 10.4% as labor force shrinks.
It’s good to see that an absolute catastrophe in the labor market is good reason to be happy, looking for the upside, AJC, especially after the last decade when the unemployment rate falling to 4% was cause for you libs to shriek like sissies and tear at your clothing.
If Blair knew there were no WMDs we knew.
….and I’m proud to be an American…..where at least we learn the truth eventually…….
November 27th, 20098:42 am
Under Reagan unemployment reached 9.7%…..he didn’t have Bush deficits and multiwars.
November 27th, 20098:43 am
Think of the larger issue at hand, DuhZilla, the AJC thinks you are a foamingly stupid pet rock of theirs and they slant and spin their “news” tailored to your ignorance.
Ain’t America great?
November 27th, 20098:45 am
the issue is you and your ilk.
always was always will be.
and let me point out that I could have called you DuhANdy, but I’m better than that.
November 27th, 20098:46 am
Well, good morning after! Hope everybody else had as good one as we did…no bloodshed, broken bones or expulsions from the tribe.
It’s good to see the a.m. crew here, all chipper and in a good mood. Maybe I’ll get to spend some time with y’all. It’s time for my annual Day After Thanksgiving traditional archaelogical dig as I try to put this home office to some sense of order. That way I can blog and feel like I’m doing something positive at the same time. I strongly suspect, though, Nietzsche was wrong, no order from this chaos.
November 27th, 20098:49 am
nothing ‘cept a whipping cream overload……
November 27th, 20098:50 am
“…and let me point out that I could have called you DuhANdy, but I’m better than that.”
That’s Dandy, Mrs. G., or maybe D’Andy?
Hey, Whiner, I see yo ole froze a** is thawing out from yesterday’s chill!
November 27th, 20098:52 am
Paint it anyway you like the fact remains the kenyan owns the 10.4% unemployement.
Can you say ARSON!
Clayton County home burns while family away
November 27th, 20098:56 am
Of course we will paint it the way we see it….you do.
Are you aware most males suffer from some level of colorblindness?
He owns LOTs of things, now, the war in Iraq, the war in Aghanistan, DADT, Health Care…just to name a few…
November 27th, 20098:58 am
Good morning all. I hope everyone enjoyed the day, even our expat who languished with only memories of turkey and stuffing and pie.
By the way, ABM, I am thankful you are on the job and frosty.
November 27th, 20099:00 am
November 27th, 2009
It was 10.8% under the Gypper in Nov. and Dec. 1982.
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1980 6.3 6.3 6.3 6.9 7.5 7.6 7.8 7.7 7.5 7.5 7.5 7.2
1981 7.5 7.4 7.4 7.2 7.5 7.5 7.2 7.4 7.6 7.9 8.3 8.5
1982 8.6 8.9 9.0 9.3 9.4 9.6 9.8 9.8 10.1 10.4 10.8 10.8
He also owns…..
A week before he was sworn in, Obama jammed part two of the bank bailout down the throat of his own party — a $350 billion accomplishment.
Two days after he was sworn in, Obama banned the use of “harsh interrogation” and ordered the closing of Guantánamo.
A day later, Obama reversed George W. Bush’s funding cutoff to overseas family planning organizations — saving millions of lives with the stroke of a pen.
Three days after that, Obama gave a green light to the California car-emissions standards that Bush had been blocking for six years — an important step on the road to cleaner air and a cooler planet.
Two weeks after that, Obama signed the stimulus bill — a $787 billion accomplishment.
Ten days after that, Obama formally announced America’s withdrawal from Iraq.
A week later — we’re in early March now — Obama erased Bush’s decision to restrict federal funding for stem-cell research.
In April and June, Obama forced Chrysler and GM into bankruptcy.
In June, Obama reset the tone of our relations with the entire Arab world with a single speech — an accomplishment that the Bush administration failed to achieve despite a series of desperate PR moves (anyone remember Charlotte Beers?) and a “public diplomacy” budget of $1 billion a year.
Also in June, Obama unveiled the “Cash for Clunkers” program, a “socialist” giveaway that reanimated the corpse of our car industry — leading, for example, to the billion-dollar profit that Ford announced on Monday.
I haven’t even mentioned Sonia Sotomayor, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the order to release the torture memos, Obama’s push for charter schools, his $288 billion tax cut, or the end of Bush’s war on medical marijuana. Or the minor fact that he seems to have — with Bush’s help, it must be said — stopped the financial collapse, revived the credit markets, and nudged the economy toward 3.5 percent growth in the last quarter.
Oh, and one more thing: President Obama is now a month or two from accomplishing the awesome and seemingly impossible task that eluded mighty presidents like FDR, LBJ, and WJC — health-care reform.
Obama’s early returns also include a host of remarkably cautious and prudent national-security decisions that seem, these days, to have been completely forgotten:
Appointing a conservative Bush holdover like Robert Gates as Secretary of Defense.
Appointing an establishment centrist like Leon Panetta at CIA.
Appointing a hard-ass like Stanley McChrystal to head up our military forces in Afghanistan, despite McChrystal’s dubious involvement in torture and the cover-up of Pat Tillman’s death.
Increasing the number of drone attacks on Al Qaeda — more in the last year than all the Bush years combined.
Reinstating, with tweaks, Bush’s military tribunal system for Guantánamo prisoners.
Fighting, in another unexpected defense of a controversial Bush policy, lawsuits against the “warrantless wiretapping” program — as recently as this weekend with a decision that a leading civil liberties group called “extremely disappointing.”
Sending, way back in February, seventeen thousand more soldiers to Afghanistan. As Fareed Zakaira recently pointed out, this was just three thousand fewer soldiers than Bush sent to Iraq for his famous “surge.”
Noticing a pattern yet? The first half of Obama’s accomplishments above is mostly liberal stuff. The bottom half is all pretty dang conservative. Which brings us to The Problem With America Today: Blame it on the Internet, on partisan politics, on the economic crash, on the legacy of war or Fox News or Michael Moore, but our vital center is getting stiff — and it is starting to stink.
Liberals are upset because Obama didn’t shut down Guantánamo or stop the wiretapping program or end all wars or support gay marriage and kill Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. Conservatives are pissed off because they hate health-care reform, family planning, ending any war at all, organic gardening at the White House, and government in general.
What’s worse, both sides are so angry and righteous that they can’t even begin to give credit where it is due. When was the last time you heard a conservative cheer about that $288 billion tax cut? Or credit Obama for the centrism it took to appoint McChrystal, Panetta, and Gates? And how many liberals choose to be understanding about the practical difficulties of shutting down Guantánamo, achieving equal rights for gays, or tapping Al Qaeda’s phones?
And where, on either side, can you find a scrap of humility about the staggeringly complex challenge of Afghanistan and Pakistan? Or a scrap of gratitude at having escaped global financial doom?
So the question, a year since we elected him, isn’t how much Obama has accomplished. The question is why we’ve turned so small and mean that we only see half of it — the half we happen to agree with.
Read more: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/obama-timeline-110309#ixzz0Y4INqTNl
No doubt were unemployement numbers at say a mere 5% of course Obobo would be responsble, held in the highest esteem and you dems would be shouting it from the rooftops. You see it works both ways.
Color blindness…yep, and women don’t…mine is the inability to distinguish shades…two drawers of socks, all the brown one shade, all the black the same…I like to paint in oils for relaxation, but I have to factor in what shade I’m working with and the mistakes can be, well, let’s just call it “modern!”
November 27th, 20099:03 am
“Paint it anyway you like the fact remains the kenyan owns the 10.4% unemployement”
baHA … yeah … it’s all Obama’s fault … cuz the economy was doing just fine until January 20th …
The answer is Obobo is and will remain a failure. The question no longer needs asking.
My ex was red/green colorblind. Our optomitrist fitted him with a pair of glasses with one red lens. His brain enabled him to distinguish the difference. But it still wasn’t red. Neat, huh?
November 27th, 20099:04 am
A good post and much that I am not blind to and do give him credit for…but DADT…did you see the Chris Rock that DDR posted me Friday last? ‘Bout summed it up in my book…
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 27th, 2009
Not! The rate has been escalating since Dec. 2007. He just hasn’t been able to stop it…yet.
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.8 4.7 4.9
2008 4.9 4.8 5.1 5.0 5.5 5.6 5.8 6.2 6.2 6.6 6.8 7.2
2009 7.6 8.1 8.5 8.9 9.4 9.5 9.4 9.7 9.8 10.2
November 27th, 20099:06 am
Yessir, ya’betcha we will. And we will have earned it.
November 27th, 2009
He ain’t even started yet. Stay tuned.
Duhzilla- Then you would be unoriginally copying one of my signature techniques and since you were unable to counter with your own innovative mannerism, you chose to elevate yourself to a pedestal of your own making.
The AJC has you pegged.
Ouch…big WallStreet spanking coming today…Ouch!
Yet a nice “shorting” opportunity. Get on the train or be run over by it.
November 27th, 20099:07 am
TnG – 9:04 … good luck with presenting the facts … some people are beyond redemption …
November 27th, 20099:09 am
I see the day of thanks is over and everything’s back to normal here.
Thanks Gale. It’s been a morning here. At the rate I’m moving, I should be able to burn my entire caloric intake for November before it’s time to go home today.
November 27th, 20099:11 am
November 27th, 2009
They don’t seem to understand trends.
My lovely bride of 44 years did it again; preparing a scrumptious feast for the castrated beast.
In the 4,000-plus pages of the two bills, there is no tort reform. Indeed, the House bill actually penalizes states that dare “limit attorneys’ fees or impose caps on damages.” Why? Because, as Howard Dean has openly admitted, Democrats don’t want “to take on the trial lawyers.” What he didn’t say is that they give millions to the Democrats for precisely this kind of protection. -Krauthammer
I can remember when America was prudent enough to recognize that trial lawyers are basically slimeballs.
And then along came the liberals, and it was love at first feel.
November 27th, 20099:12 am
“TnG – 9:04 … good luck with presenting the facts … some people are beyond redemption …”
Now, now, remember that the season of the Redeemer is upon us…
no I did not see the post.
and yes I would have liked him to have pushed congress to end DADT for always. sadly, my list of priorities and his don’t match up item for item
but that does not change the fact that he is doing a damn fine job overall and certainly better than the alternative that we were offered.
November 27th, 20099:13 am
TnG – 44 years??? saaaaaa-LUTE!!! (although, this means that we have to kick you out of the Democratic Hootenanny – you know how much we hate marriage and all)
people always ask me what I miss most about the US … this week, it’s really been Thanksgiving!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 27th, 2009
…until you need one.
November 27th, 20099:14 am
Jo Nix –
“Now, now, remember that the season of the Redeemer is upon us…”
meh. forgiving someone for an accident is one thing … willful ignorance is something else …
A nice tribute one story down, jay. Siblings…a family within a family. What we, in my family, called “The Troop” that could go AWOP…absent without permission. Several different variations on the rules.
Enough discussion, and there were none. The sky was the limit.
So Boose was your brother? ‘Ya wouldn’t wanna tell us how he came by the name, would ‘ya?
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 27th, 20099:16 am
Well, she’s been in there gnawing on that turkey and the other leftover stuff all morning. If she don’t weigh 375 by Sunday night it will be a miracle. She’ll end up looking like Sister Dusty.
Sorry to see Whiner is in such a bad mood. It looks like the Christian spirit didn’t take too good with him or even last thru the Thanksgiving meal.
Have a good Friday everybody.
November 27th, 20099:17 am
what you call a pedastal of my own making…..is called the high ground.
“Cade: I thank you, good people—there shall be no money; all shall eat
and drink on my score, and I will apparel them all in one livery,
that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord.
Dick: The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers.”
–Shakespeare, Henry VI (I think…)
November 27th, 20099:23 am
He’s got a checkered record which is as it should be…since, given his record on gay matters, I didn’t expect any different, he’s lived up to my expectations there, at least…
Granddaddy used to say, “if it’s willfull, can we still call it ignorance?”
November 27th, 20099:24 am
Jo Nix – your grandaddy sounds grand!!!
November 27th, 20099:25 am
Duhzilla- What you call the high ground……is the fever swamps.
November 27th, 20099:28 am
I really do love your predictability after all these years. You and RW always loved that term.
November 27th, 20099:31 am
Mrs G -
“I really do love your predictability after all these years. You and RW always loved that term”
me, I’ve never really understood that term … I’ve done a tour through the Okeefenokee and I’ve had a fever, but I can honestly say that neither experience was even remotely related …
Speaking of accomplishments……
SEEING THE ASIA TRIP IN A NEW LIGHT…. During and after President Obama’s week-long trip to Asia, major U.S. media outlets were dismissive and derisive about the effort. Political reporters insisted the administration hadn’t actually gained anything, and by coming home empty-handed, the president had wasted his time.
White House officials have been frustrated by the media’s spin, insisting that the trip would pay dividends. The Atlantic’s James Fallows has been a leading critic of American outlets’ coverage of the diplomatic efforts.
Yesterday, Fallows followed up, noting more “evidence of failure” in the wake of the president’s excursion.
Today in the NYT: “China Joins U.S. in Pledge of Hard Targets on Emissions”
Today in the Washington Post: “China’s backing on Iran followed dire predictions; Before Obama’s visit, NSC warned leaders of Mideast turmoil”
Today in the (state run) China Daily: “Mainland may pull some missiles…. Beijing might consider removing a portion of its missile arsenal in South China, a long-held precondition by Taiwan for peaceful cross-Straits ties, a mainland expert said Wednesday.”
Today also in the China Daily: “DPRK top leader meets visiting Chinese defense minister”
Along with the failure indicated yesterday, also in the China Daily: “RMB rate fine-tuning is possible”
If we’re lucky, the Obama administration will have plenty more “failures” like these in the coming years.
with links here
November 27th, 20099:32 am
been there with the ‘Zillettes when they were young….they loved all the creepy crawly things
hell we all came from the primordial ooze…..
November 27th, 20099:33 am
Well, it is to be expected.
The perpetual haters and blamers are back locked and loaded, ready to abhor and indict everybody but themselves for everything they deem improper in the world.
Like Common Sense said yesterday, they never take a day off from it.
Boring little people who dwell on boring little things.
I’m going to kick some major league a__ today on this list of things I get to do, called my life!
Enjoy the hatefest called your lives, haters…(And you know who you are.)
November 27th, 20099:34 am
That explains a lot.
My wife and I were going through some stored clothes this week to see what needed to be thrown out, donated, or moved to a closet etc. I kept hearing the question, how the hell did you wind up with this? and had no good answer. Now I do. Thanks!
November 27th, 20099:36 am
November 27th, 20099:37 am
Mrs G –
“been there with the ‘Zillettes when they were young….they loved all the creepy crawly things”
I haven’t been since I was a kid … am dying to revisit with the mister before the next major fire (I think it’s due) …
“hell we all came from the primordial ooze…..”
no, some of us come from it … some still choose to reside there …
November 27th, 20099:38 am
Okay, time for fair and balanced…any of you catch “Spill O’Reilly,” give Bill and the Sesame Street credit where credit’s due…
“I kept hearing the question, how the hell did you wind up with this? and had no good answer. Now I do. Thanks!”
(just remember, color-blindness doesn’t cover an outfit of stripes, plaids and prints)
November 27th, 20099:40 am
She scored “the Chicago crowd,” which she characterized as “a distressingly insular and small-minded West Wing team.” The White House, Elizabeth Drew says, needs adult supervision—”an older, wiser head, someone with a bit more detachment.”-Peggy Noonan
How about the photos of Hairplugs groping the intruder?
Reaching for that little bug bite, he was.
Sums it all up, don’t it?
November 27th, 20099:41 am
Atlantis is landing…….that’s still very cool.
November 27th, 20099:43 am
The ‘Zillettes? Sounds like some 60s women’s recording artists! Love it!
My upland maternal family claimed that my swamp rat paternal family still hadn’t left!
November 27th, 20099:44 am
heeheehee … Peggy Noonan saying ANYone needs “adult supervision” … hahahaha … stop … my sides … quick, Peggy – there’s an open bar!! why don’t you go find “inspiration” … (ohhhhh … the dolphins the Virgin Mary sent to save little Elian … if that wasn’t found at the bottom of a bottle of gin, I don’t know what was)
Ominously for Democrats, concerns over spending have recently helped to flip the Gallup generic ballot to now favor Republicans by four points (48% to 44%). Last year, Democrats held a 12-point generic ballot advantage. The change has been driven by independents, who now favor Republicans by 22 points. By comparison, in the run-up to the 1994 congressional elections, Republicans first eclipsed Democrats in March of that year, when they gained a one-point advantage, before falling behind Democrats until the fall.-Rove
Spend, spend, spend!
November 27th, 20099:45 am
Oh, yes it does when those stripes or plaids are all the same shade…it’s gray, d*mmit, you can call it rose, powder blue, taupe or what have you, put side by side, they’re GRAY!
Fortunately the questions nearly always involved color.
Haven’t you guys ever heard of The Werewolf of Fever Swamp? Perhaps I know of what I speak….
Actually a good definition is in an Alternet piece where they try to coopt the term and make it about the right.
The Atlantis is home safe and sound.
November 27th, 20099:46 am
even as tots they could do “trees” ……they used to be my backup singers
now they take center stage
November 27th, 20099:49 am
“Oh, yes it does when those stripes or plaids are all the same shade”
one of the things that stunned me when I first moved here (I work in the financial district of London), was men’s sartorial statements: pinstripe suits (and I’m talking BOLD Mafia pinstripes), a checked shirt and a pattern tie … yet, somehow, it works on a Brit, where on an American, it would just look daft.
Now how do you know the Virgin Mary didn’t send the Dolphins to save Little Elian? You wern’t there. I wasn’t either, but I’d like to think she did. Now if she would just take an interest in the Miami Dophins…
November 27th, 20099:50 am
“Fortunately the questions nearly always involved color”
you mean, no Brady-style flair pants? or shirts with the wiiiiiiiiiiide collars???
November 27th, 20099:51 am
Anytime a vehicle returns safely from space, it is still a great acheivement. Space travel is still a very dangerous undertaking. I wish would could take some of that war money and put it into the NASA budget.
Those were the keepers.
November 27th, 20099:52 am
The Brits can get by with more in the sartorial…kinda makes up for not being able to cook!
We called ours the House Apes! They swang from the chandaliers!
November 27th, 20099:53 am
I wish would could take some of that war money and put it into the NASA budget.
As long as they keep it in the space travel budget and out of the junk science budget
November 27th, 20099:56 am
“Now how do you know the Virgin Mary didn’t send the Dolphins to save Little Elian?”
the Virgin Mary??? more like a bloody mary was involved with THAT story …
and as for British cooking, they have their faults, but no one makes better cold-weather food than the Brits … mmmmmm … (and they make some killer desserts, too!)
November 27th, 20099:57 am
“Those were the keepers.”
hahaha … I wish I kept all my 1980s clothes – all that’s coming back now, too … (shoulder pads, fercryingoutloud!!!)
November 27th, 20099:58 am
November 27th, 200910:00 am
“Enjoy the hatefest”
November 27th, 200910:04 am
I guess Andy took his mom’s basement to Chicago with him, you can pack a lot of stuff in an Escalade, but a whole basement????
November 27th, 200910:06 am
Nice to know you spend your time on political blogs fighting the good fight, instead of doing the job your are being paid for. Or is this your job?
November 27th, 200910:07 am
“Jesus does not agree with that “courtesy””
Here’s a thought for you to chew on: you don’t know for SURE you are reading the words of Jesus. You are only reading the words someone ELSE said he said. Jesus himself never wrote anything down.
And here’s a further portion of that quote: “And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; They will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
Do YOU pick up poisonous snakes, and drink deadly poisons?
November 27th, 200910:08 am
“Oh, ye of little faith.”
Being something of a gin head myself, I can assure you there are many revelations to be found in there…
Have to agree the Brits can make a good dessert, some good breads and some fine cheese…but the rest of it, throw it all in a pot, boil for hours, then serve…
November 27th, 200910:12 am
You know as well as I do that Jesus and the Disciples read, wrote and spoke King James English!
November 27th, 200910:16 am
“You know as well as I do that Jesus and the Disciples read, wrote and spoke King James English!”
Yep! and I know that God somehow omitted to give me an appreciation of blank verse. Never could get anything out of that version. I prefer the New International Version myself.
November 27th, 200910:17 am
funny, my grandy swore they spoke the gaelic
“but the rest of it, throw it all in a pot, boil for hours, then serve…”
heresy!!! cottage pie … bangers and mash with onion gravy … yorkshire puddings … sloooooo-cooked shoulder of lamb, so tender it melts in your mouth … and, yes, even fish and chips … NOM!!!
“Being something of a gin head myself, I can assure you there are many revelations to be found in there…”
hahaha … I’ve had a number of revelations after a few too many margaritas, myself … most of them involved George Clooney, but sadly none of them wound up to be true …
November 27th, 200910:24 am
Doggone–I usually use the New Standard for reference, but there is nothing in the English language more beautiful to me than the King James translation of Ecclesiastes…it is said that this was Shakespeare’s work…
I’ve always kinda thought of Jesus as an Irishman…look at who he hung out with, liked a good story, a good slug or two, and, p*ssed off wasn’t above throwing about a few tables and chairs…
Must say, if the Virgin Mary is in business for my rescue on the high seas, send me George Clooney!
Happy Thanksgiving REP-ugnants and DEM-wit underachieving parasits. Just thought I’d drop in and attempt to impart a little wisdom to the worshippers of the Commander and Thief , the Great and Powerful OBOZO, the lord and master of the Obomonation, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, excuse me, I cracked my self up….impart wisdom to DEM-wits….I don’t care who you are, that’s funny!!!!
Anyway those of you that haven’t sold your soul to Ogovernment might appreciate some wisdom from the past.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
November 27th, 200910:27 am
“You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it”
Yeah, yeah. We’ve heard it before…over and over and over. Don’t the conned have ANYONE with an original thought?
November 27th, 200910:28 am
“Must say, if the Virgin Mary is in business for my rescue on the high seas, send me George Clooney!”
I’m sayin! complete with mouth-to-mouth, whether I need it or not!!!
November 27th, 200910:29 am
Your list of questionable “cuisine” contributions…NOT. But then, of course, there are those who would doubt the delectability of what Unmentionable has on the menu today, the smells already enriching the cold November air…big ole pot of fresh mustard greens simmering, a fresh baked pone of cornbread to make you slap your mama down, some fried streak of lean, homemade pepper sauce, chopped onions…
November 27th, 200910:31 am
You recited the chain email exactly, good for you. Thank you for passing on the Rush/Boortz/Beck talking points, do you have an original thought in your head you’d like to share?
November 27th, 200910:33 am
yep … count me as one of the doubters of the delectability of mustard greens. blech (even moreso than greenbean casserole). black-eyed peas, lima beans … these were a few of my LEAST favorite things about growing up in the south … (although, I could still happily eat my weight in cornbread or homemade biscuits made by someone’s gramma)
Boog, Are you paying attention?
Your kindred soul says:
“What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.”
That is exactly the definition of day trading and derivitives…
November 27th, 200910:34 am
Josef…speaking of “yeah yeah” – have you heard this one? (supposed to be true)
A college professor was giving a talk on language, and in the course of that talk he stated that in every language known – a double negative was a positive, but in no language was a double positive a negative. And then some wag in the back row said “yeah, yeah”
November 27th, 200910:36 am
Doggone, “Jesus himself never wrote anything down.” Doesn’t anyone wonder about that? According to the story, he spent a lot of time at temple studying as a child. Are we to believe he could not read and write? And if he could write, being a philosopher, wouldn’t he have written some of his thoughts. Now that you mention that, I find it quite odd.
November 27th, 200910:37 am
“Now that you mention that, I find it quite odd.”
he traveled light.
November 27th, 200910:39 am
November 27th, 2009
No it isnt. Day trading is work…lots of work. Learning how the market works, when to buy, sell, short etc. I guess the El Stupido’s of your type refuse to even crack a book. Oh well…that is of course your choice.
Enjoy being poor!!
I’ve got nothing against traders. I just think a financial transaction should be taxed along with everything else.
Your love of giving tax breaks and “special” treatment to certain industries is SOCIALISM. Capitalism is about competition, it’s not about artificially supporting certain people in certain industries because they are “special” (a nice way of saying they can’t effectively compete on a flat playing field.)
Perhaps boogers also supports the farm subisidies and bank bailouts and other socialist type behaviors??
Boogers: a socialist, commie, pinko, confused person.
November 27th, 200910:40 am
“According to the story, he spent a lot of time at temple studying as a child.”
Studying, in his time and for his economic status, would have meant listening to the teachings of others…not directly reading and studying the texts as we understand the term now. It’s extrememly unlikely that he was ever taught to read, let along write. It is one of the miracles of his ministry…that he came from the same economic level as his listeners and was not one of the elite. In his time less than 10% of the people were “educated” in reading and writing.
And speaking of poor? Where is our friend Finnius? Im curious if he emerged long enough from his mothers basement for him and his 1978 Ford Econoline van to visit Woodruff Park and shuttle the bums to and from The Hosea Feed the Lazy extravaganza…
November 27th, 200910:41 am
Ah…Ayn Rand…..changed my life. Course I was just starting to think.
When my sainted irish mother’s crowd read it I remember them tossing around the term “anti-christ”.
I got to it in my early 30’s.
“scuse me if I cut and paste, but I’ll let Reason speak for me.
“So where did she go wrong?
Rand’s entire project involved liberating the individual from the yoke of collectivism and creating the social, moral, and political conditions in which he could live a fully actualized life. Each individual’s own happiness is his highest purpose, she said, and boldly declared selfishness to be a virtue—contrary to what various religious and non-religious (communist, fascist, communitarian) preachers of the ethics of self-sacrifice had been saying for ages.
………Most people read Rand when they are young and are deeply moved by her, only to outgrow her by mid-life. Her adherents like to blame this on the moral pusillanimity and irrationality of the readers. But the real problem is perhaps with Rand herself: Her ideology of self-actualization speaks much more to the concerns of the young than the mature—again, because she ignores the “other-interested” side of human nature. ……
The fact is that Rand gets harder to take as one grows older and concerns about those around us become more important than our own personal project of self development. The relentless, single-minded dedication to one’s passions that Rand seems to favor requires a coldness of the soul, a narrowing of one’s humanity—the natural interest in the fortune of others that Smith alludes to—that most people find is not exactly conducive to their happiness.
Is it turkey sandwich time yet?
“I just think a financial transaction should be taxed along with everything else.”
They are…its called Captial Gains/Losses.
November 27th, 200910:43 am
Good point, Doggone. I forgot the oral traditions.
“Boogers: a socialist, commie, pinko, confused person.”
LMAO…now that is funny!!
On another note…perhaps the kenyan might offer a bailout to Dubai?
November 27th, 200910:44 am
No doubt were unemployement numbers at say a mere 5% of course Obobo would be responsble
Heck yeah, if the economy turned around that fast we sure as heck would say “nice job, prez. That would be sweet.
(But of course such a turn around would undermine the comeback of the republican party so none of the wingnuts really want to see the economy iprove.)
November 27th, 200910:45 am
Doggone– yeah, yeah…that’s a good one! Adding it to my list…
Jesus was a preacher, teacher and as such spent his time at work using the spoken language (Aramaic)…Remember he held the Scribes and Pharisees in low esteem. Any writing he did would have been in Hebrew and would most likely have been destroyed during the crackdown and expulsions and it’s doubtful that his writings would have received very high priority by those rescuing what they could of the books being consigned to the flames….
November 27th, 200910:47 am
“They are…its called Captial Gains/Losses”
well, only if you sell … not if you buy …
and, again … who is going to be taxed? institutional investors that make hundreds of transactions a day to protect their capital (think insurance companies and pension funds)? why, when they are require to meet regulations. the traders, themselves?
sorry, but I think a transaction-based tax is a bad idea.
but that’s just my £0.02.
clueless as to how a trade works, eh? I suppose playing around on ETrade can make one think they understand how the big boys do things.
But you’re still just baking a cake with the Hasbro “Easy Bake Oven”.
heh heh heh
November 27th, 200910:49 am
“I blow my nose in yer general direction”
November 27th, 200910:50 am
“sorry, but I think a transaction-based tax is a bad idea”
and another thing … is it based on the size of the trade? what kind of trade it is (is buying treasuries going to be taxed? or would the tax be limited to structured securities and derivatives?) do you tax the number of trades you do in a day – similar to the way the state taxes car sales??
ooooooooooo … first on the 3rd page …
November 27th, 200910:51 am
“Any writing he did would have been in Hebrew and would most likely have been destroyed during the crackdown ”
That’s quite likely true…but it’s easy to forget, these days, or never to have known…that Jesus primary audience was the country people of the villages and farms, not the city dwellers. His audience was, like him, unable to read and write…and oppressed by the rulers that lived in the cities.
That’s all one reason I like to read Crossan’s works. He helps me to understand what the people of Jesus day heard and understood when they listened to him teach (not preach!)
He WOULD have been literate in Hebrew. Male literacy in the language has been a fundamental requirement from the time of the Babylonian Captivity when the question of how to maintain a Jewish identity could be accomplished in the Diaspora and the ruling was that it was with the written word which was portable and could be carried to wherever the people might find themselves.
November 27th, 200910:53 am
I better not push Booger’s buttons too much or I’ll have to deal with a daily barrage of requests by the Boog for me to go help the folks in Woodruff Park.
He does have a tender ego.
November 27th, 200910:54 am
Congrats to the big boys!! The best thing it to jump on board with the big boys or jump on board with what is moving up or down depending on ones preference.
My profits are important to me and while there is “No I in Team” there is a ME.
November 27th, 200910:55 am
November 27th, 200910:56 am
I was about to say something else –probably dumb since I know so little of Jewish history– that it is also odd that Jesus apparently had no children.
10:51 … besides, I thought reading the Torah was required for your bar mitzvah – don’t you do a reading in front of the synagogue??
November 27th, 200910:57 am
“He WOULD have been literate in Hebrew. Male literacy in the language has been a fundamental requirement from the time of the Babylonian Captivity”
But there’s no proof he was, there’s no proof his followers were, and he lived in a Roman regime which changed some of the dynamics. Also, even if he could read, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he would write…or that his followers could write.
What too many people today don’t understand…or never know…is that Jesus taught the poor and destitute. The lowest of the low in their society. Even if he could write, he didn’t…because most of his followers could not have afforded to obtain written copies, even if they could have read them.
It wasn’t until his message finally began to “infiltrate” the cities that his words, or the traditions of his words, began to be written down.
November 27th, 200910:58 am
next thing, he’s going to give us such investing nuggest o’ wisdom like “buy low, sell high”
November 27th, 200910:59 am
Things like that make me wish I had a time machine to go back and observe the reality.
November 27th, 200911:01 am
“that it is also odd that Jesus apparently had no children.”
There’s two ways of looking at that: that he had foreknowledge of his future, and so avoided marriage and children. Or his economic status made it difficult to find a suitable wife.
A lot of people today don’t want to hear it, but Jesus was extremely poor. Today a “carpenter” would be an honorable trade, but in Jesus day it was one of the lowest of the low, because it was a trade entered by people who had no land of their own to support themselves.
November 27th, 200911:02 am
USinUK, this is how Krugman describes it:
The Turner-Brown proposal is a modern version of an idea originally floated in 1972 by the late James Tobin, the Nobel-winning Yale economist. Tobin argued that currency speculation — money moving internationally to bet on fluctuations in exchange rates — was having a disruptive effect on the world economy. To reduce these disruptions, he called for a small tax on every exchange of currencies.
Such a tax would be a trivial expense for people engaged in foreign trade or long-term investment; but it would be a major disincentive for people trying to make a fast buck (or euro, or yen) by outguessing the markets over the course of a few days or weeks. It would, as Tobin said, “throw some sand in the well-greased wheels” of speculation.
Happy Day After Thanksgiving! I had me a nice piece of prime rib yesterday with horseradish sauce – grilled veggies and mashed potatoes. Little bit of dressing, but no turkey – no tryptophan haze for me.
I hope everyone had a nice day yesterday. Apparently Block has a habit of posting old internet garbage.
November 27th, 200911:03 am
It would be a trivial expense for long-term investors, but it would deter much of the churning that now takes place in our hyperactive financial markets.
November 27th, 200911:04 am
“To reduce these disruptions, he called for a small tax on every exchange of currencies”
ahhhhhhhhhhh … so, it’s not so much a tax on ALL trades, it’s a tax on currency trades. interesting …
Well the color blind excuse didn’t work.
She asked why it was I could see them now and then added that even someone that was completely blind would’ve seen that gay Charlie Brown shirt two blocks away.
“Things like that make me wish I had a time machine to go back and observe the reality”
Try reading some of John Dominic Crossan’s works on the subject, especially “The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant” – which paints a very vivid picture without any religious aspects.
November 27th, 200911:05 am
thanks Mrs. Godzi
… but Bosch … did you have pie???
(and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god …)
you just needed some yorkies to go with it!!! nomnomnom …
November 27th, 200911:07 am
RW – 11:04 …
November 27th, 200911:09 am
I will beg to differ on the “preach” aspect. The tradition of preachers (kohelet) is very strong in the Jewish world and they are a separate category from the rabbinical, dealing more with worldly rather than other worldly concerns…the Hebrew term is from the name Solomon used for himself in setting down Ecclesiatices which, in Hebrew, is called Koholeth. The term combines preacher and teacher into a single concept…Jesus would have been a kohelet, not, as many think, a rabbi…
November 27th, 200911:11 am
and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god
Yes, I had apple pie! And German Chocolate Cake. I don’t deal with the sweet potato/pumpkin concoction some folks call pie. That’s just wrong. I think it’s the cloves. Cloves are meant to be smelled in the harvest time potpourri, not eaten in food.
“and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god”
Oh, so totally agree. No tryptophan haze, more like a wine/champagne haze for me yesterday!
November 27th, 200911:12 am
“in Jesus day it was one of the lowest of the low, because it was a trade entered by people who had no land of their own to support themselves.”
too bad there weren’t fine folks like Michelle Malkin to stalk him and show the world what kind of counter-tops Joseph had …
“I will beg to differ on the “preach” aspect”
I wouldn’t argue with you on that, I was speaking from the Christian tradition of the difference between “teaching” and “preaching”
November 27th, 200911:13 am
I don’t think the Rabbi’s family was well off enough to have counter tops.
Seems that a carpenter would need tools and wood. Is there, or was there, a lot of trees in the area of Jerusalem, Canaan, where ever. Sorry, it has been a very long time since my Sunday School days. Basically, I am asking about resources. Even farmers need furniture. Farming, especially subsistence farming, does not leave much time for anything else.
I don’t mean to be flip or disrespectful, mind you. I am an atheist, but there is a great historical and cultural perspective to be gained from people who have studied the stories and the period. I appreciate listening to your perspective.
November 27th, 200911:14 am
Bosch – next year, I am SOOOO gatecrashing your thanksgiving … although, you and I may be battling it out for the apple pie
(I’m not a big fan of pumpkin pie because of the slimy texture … not so much a problem with cloves or nutmeg …)
November 27th, 200911:15 am
That’s the thing (in my world) – you study the stories and apply it to your life – now. I personally think the Carpenter was a highly enlightened individual as his stories suggest, and his message is still applicable.
“I don’t think the Rabbi’s family was well off enough to have counter tops”
what? he built cabinets that were just big holes with doors on them??? man, no wonder they were the lowest of the low …
November 27th, 200911:19 am
“Seems that a carpenter would need tools and wood”
Certainly they would. And there was more wood in that area then, than there is now. But also, remember that the Roman economic systems introduced into that area was geared to huge production and not to individualism.
It’s quite likely – though I don’t know it for sure – that the wood supplied to carpenters was provided by the customers. And also, such workmen would have dealt with repairs as much, or more, as with new production.
You are more than welcome. We always make prime rib, ham and turkey – and I skip the bird and pig to go for the beast ’cause I think cows were put on this planet simply for our eating pleasure. That apple pie was a sight to behold. My niece made it the pie crust from scratch – I was so proud. I almost had a tinge of guilt just to eat it – but that quickly succumbed to my salivating.
4:19 … and it’s dusk … a little bit of light left in the sky, but not much …
is it the solstice, yet??? (sigh)
November 27th, 200911:21 am
Did someone mention Michelle Malkin?
November 27th, 200911:22 am
Bosch – I’m so there!!! I’ll bring the cheese course (Red Leicester, Stilton, Stinking Bishop, a good sharp farmhouse cheddar, wensleydale, and some caerfilly should round out the offering)
“Bosch – next year, I am SOOOO gatecrashing your thanksgiving ”
Hey! If you’re going to gatecrash…go for the big time and gate crash the White House!
I was just getting ready to post on that. Also Jesus could not have officiated at the Last Supper (the Pesach Seder) were he not literate in Hebrew.
As for trees in the Levant..there were plenty at the time…the deforestration came later which is why one of the first things the zionist hoodlums did on return to Eretz Israel was to put their efforts to work in planting trees, as Sophie Tucker would say, “kiss my tuchus and plant a tree for Israel!”)
Counter tops? Well, jus’ sayin’, but most of today’s rabbis likely have marble ones…
November 27th, 200911:25 am
“Hey! If you’re going to gatecrash…go for the big time and gate crash the White House!”
that even made news here!!
(although, I wouldn’t fly all the way to DC for curry – curry places here are like mexican food in the states – you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting one)
“Counter tops? Well, jus’ sayin’, but most of today’s rabbis likely have marble ones…”
man, that’s a mighty cold setting for a bris!!!
“…the lowest of the low…” Still cleaning the coffee from the screen!
November 27th, 200911:27 am
“Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world” (Phil. 2:14-15)
Paul said, “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife” (2 Tim. 2:23).
Christians have everything to be thankful for. If you believe that, then show it to the world. The best way to turn the world away from God is to show it that Christians are the people who complain about every detail, argue about every issue, and get angry about every difficulty. Show the world that Jesus HAS made a great difference in your life and CAN make a great difference in theirs. Remember, “You are the light of the world…Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven” (Matt. 5:14,16). Be that light!
Jesus was a Capricorn.
November 27th, 200911:28 am
@ 11:22 Oh, you’d so fit in with my family.
That was one of the many topics of conversation yesterday – I totally missed that, but I haven’t been on the Internets much since Tuesday.
“Well, jus’ sayin’, but most of today’s rabbis likely have marble ones…”
Yeah, as would most priests today.
November 27th, 200911:29 am
“Paul said, “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife””
Paul said that? Damn I always knew our blogger friend had the patience of Job.
November 27th, 200911:30 am
A high production shop in carpentry of the day would employ a fair number of serious craftsmen. Nails would all be hand made so most construction would have been joinery. That is serious craftmenship.
November 27th, 200911:33 am
Booger, I think it more likely Jesus was Pisces or Aries.
Jo Nix – 11:25 – Bosch keeps the screen cleaner on the 2nd shelf …
November 27th, 200911:35 am
The bris…Mama always said it may have been G-d who ordered it, but it was Sara who put the bug in H-s ear!
I’m away for a bit, but I’ll be back for more enlightenment.
November 27th, 200911:36 am
“That is serious craftmenship.”
Yes, it is – to today’s world. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that it was a valued craft in Jesus world. It was land ownership that was valued, especially by the Romans. The production of crafts was almost exclusively done by landless workers…who did not make a lot of money, and who also had no means of raising their own food.
And there’s even some doubt that Joseph WAS a carpenter. In the Greek versions of the writings about Joseph the word used for him was “tekton” (this according to Crossan) and the correct translation of tha word is not carpenter, it is laborer.
“Paul said, “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife” (2 Tim. 2:23).”
Maybe the Christian bloggers here need to read that passage again. Some of the non-Christians may also learn something by reading that. Just to let y’all know, there’s a few less people in the US that don’t belong. It’s been a busy morning.
November 27th, 200911:38 am
Well Christ definitely wasn’t a Gemini … the sermon on the mount would have been something like “Blessed are the poor … oh, that reminds me, I need to make a deposit in the bank … have you seen my checkbook? oh, look! a stick of gum!! … has anyone seen my car keys? oh, there they are, under this month’s Economist … oh, hey, there’s an interesting article on emerging markets … now, what was I saying??”
I’m not so sure our Paul lives up to his namesake–and that’s a good thing….
Job is beseeching the Alm-ghty, “Why, G-d, why? What have I done? Why are you picking on me?
A stillness, then a booming voice, “I don’t know, Job, there just something about you that p*sses me off!”
November 27th, 200911:40 am
11:35 … all i’m saying is that it’s proof that Moses never wandered up near Scandinavia …
November 27th, 200911:42 am
I thought that was Pisces who were like that.
In my years experience, our Paul is the most non-confrontational one here. A year of so ago, someone accused us of being the most boring bloggers because we weren’t confrontational, so we took to calling each other “doo-doo heads” in the hopes we’d be more interesting. That reminds me, we haven’t done that lately, I’ll so do that the next time we’re here together.
November 27th, 200911:43 am
Yeah, second shelf behind the air pump.
ooohhhh, no … Geminis are an air sign … easily distracted by shiney objects
November 27th, 200911:44 am
USinUK–now how did you know I am a Gemini!” But, see, I think he was, “…but, on the other hand…look, it’s really not so complicated, but for the sake of argument…you want wine with those fish, geez, picky-picky–you want me to spend Easter doing what?…just how many different ways do you want me to put it…the meek shall inherit the earth, is that what you want…?”
Hit button too soon:
““I don’t know, Job, there just something about you that p*sses me off!””
In the world according to Bosch, that applies to so many.
November 27th, 200911:46 am
“I don’t know, Job, there just something about you that p*sses me off!”
Josef, have you ever thought how petty that story makes God seem?
November 27th, 200911:47 am
Stilton cheese! yeah. with a glass of port and sliced pears. Oh my.
Early in the holiday season, Harry & David have a box of pears with a huge wedge of stilton/gloucster (sp?) gift. wow.
Stilton makes a really nice scalloped potatoes dish, too.
November 27th, 200911:50 am
I really like our Paul (and you!) for just that reason…when y’all raise a stink, I stop and listen. Others? Oh, well, just another day picking a fight at the playground…
November 27th, 200911:51 am
A friend gave us a bunch of fresh caught snapper. Looks like fish tacos and margaritas will have to turn the page on turkey and this “traditional” Thanksgiving weekend.
November 27th, 200911:53 am
or make an onion tarte tatin and top it with stilton when you serve it … ohmygod…
“Josef, have you ever thought how petty that story makes God seem?”
I’ve always thought that story and the one of God telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac juuuuuuuuuuust so Abraham could prove how much he loves god was … well … BS
November 27th, 200911:54 am
BOSCH–It’s a good thing I’m NOT G-d!
The Unmentionable says one of his first questions of G-d on arrival at the Pearly Gates will be just what was it p*ssed H-m off so much with Mo and the rock that H- let him get all the way to the Jordan, gave him a peek, and, ZAP!
November 27th, 200911:55 am
Thanks! I try, but I too am only human (and besides, sometimes pickin’ fights are fun). The other day, Paul got a little persnickity at someone for Paul, it was something along the lines of him calling me a “doo doo head” but for Paul it was huge. I told him to tone it down.
That story never set well with me either – for some reason neither does praying for an individual. It makes me think that god is sitting up there (or wherever) with a check list – “Oh that’s one more for so and so.” I always say I’m sending positive thoughts or something like that ’cause I reserve a “prayer” for all – not just one. I think it’s more important to think of someone when they are troubled, send good thoughts their way, keep them close in your head and heart, not to pray for them. Maybe people intertwine prayer and happy thoughts – I’m not like that. I know, call me weird.
November 27th, 200911:56 am
“I’ve always thought that story and the one of God telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac juuuuuuuuuuust so Abraham could prove how much he loves god was … well … BS”
Yeah, me too – that’s another one that never sat well with me. That story/issue was raised in Dan Brown’s last book.
“was … well … BS”
Yep, me too. Though in the story of Abraham, maybe not quite so much. That sort of test seems to me more to show Abraham how sincere his love was, not to prove it to God. But the story of Job just doesn’t ring right…that a loving God would kill Job’s wife and children just to prove a point to other and inferior gods. That’s much too close to “making your god in your image” to be to my taste.
November 27th, 200911:58 am
In other words, I think people think of “prayer” as a Christmas wish list for God (as John Shelby Spong said). I don’t think that way.
November 27th, 200911:59 am
“Though in the story of Abraham, maybe not quite so much”
but, you forget … he promised Abraham a son … made him wait hundreds of years for Sara to bare him one … then says “great, now, go kill him to show me how much you love me”
talk about emotionally abusive!
November 27th, 200912:00 pm
the story of Abraham and Isaac is in the new book set in DC?? wow, now I really can’t wait for it to come out in paperback …
November 27th, 200912:02 pm
“I think people think of “prayer” as a Christmas wish list for God (as John Shelby Spong said). I don’t think that way”
This is what took me a long time to learn: that the ability to be sincer in prayer is a gift that not everyone is given. I don’t have it, I can only hope that God understands!
But this is what prayer isn’t: wishing, hoping, wanting, needing, desiring, asking.
And no matter how sincere you are in prayer, you can’t pray for your desired outcome to an event that has already happened.
November 27th, 200912:04 pm
great … and now I have “Ezekiel saw the wheel … way up in the middle of the air … Ezekiel saw the wheel … way in the middle of the air” in my head …
November 27th, 200912:09 pm
The leprechaun of the hedge school always said, “G-d ain’t Santa Clause. That’s too bad.” He also referred to G-d as “the Great B*okkeeper in the Sky.”
On Job–I never did understand just what it was the kids did to deserve all that..the aforementioned uncle claimed that having the wife he had was test enough…
Now as for prayer for the individual, I do believe in that…it’s thinking of others in their time of need and I do believe in saying a “baruch” when I hear of somebody doing something good for someone else just because…
“ooohhhh, no … Geminis are an air sign … easily distracted by shiney objects”
Since I’m a Gemini, I take great umbrage at that shallow stereotype…. ohhh shiny shiny…
What was I saying?
November 27th, 200912:10 pm
wow … that makes 3 of us … we’re taking over!
November 27th, 200912:12 pm
I don’t think that gift is ever complete, but it’s more important to know that it’s needed (to be sincere).
It always drives me crazy when someone tells me that “God has answered their prayers” that so and so is better, saved, whatever. I always think, “well, why did he do that to begin with?” What about when someone doesn’t get better, saved, whatever. Am I supposed to think their prayers aren’t worthy?
I had to wean my evangelical mother away from telling me stuff like that.
November 27th, 200912:13 pm
My druggie nephew’s nickname is Zeke, cause he’s always seeing wheels in the middle of the air!
November 27th, 200912:15 pm
“Am I supposed to think their prayers aren’t worthy? ”
And what if the outcome YOU want, is not the best outcome for someone else? I think one of the reasons some people give up on God is that they can’t understand that “God always answers prayer…and the answer is not always yes”
USinUK, RT–No! That makes at least six of us!
November 27th, 200912:16 pm
“it’s thinking of others in their time”
Exactly. It’s thinking of them, you yourself – not God. And I’m all for that. Whatever you call it, a prayer, a thought, a positive energy jolt, that’s all good. I tend to not call it a prayer. I think of prayer as talking to God, and not simply asking for things to go my way or to help those who are in need – because sometimes that doesn’t work out and then your stuck with turning it inwards as a perceived wrong on your part. I think of religion and quest for the spiritual being as a journey of personal improvement – and if I use prayer that way, it makes me take two steps back when that isn’t always necessary.
Actually that makes 6 of us…
November 27th, 200912:17 pm
Doggone @ 12:15 –
Now you’re on my list…
November 27th, 200912:19 pm
heading home for the night … I hope everyone has a fantastic weekend and enjoys all their leftovers (especially Bosch with those yummy cold roast beast sammiches with horseradish … salivating at the thought!)
When I asked Granddaddy how to reconcile this point, his answer was “Be still and know that I am G-d.” There are just some things we aren’t meant to understand which, really, is why we “invented” G-d to begin with…
write it down. when somebody asks christians to pray for them, reply with nocando! it’s a waste of my time and yours. howzabout i just send good vibes your way. that’ll do’er.
November 27th, 200912:21 pm
“buy low, sell high”
Damn, USinUK–NOW you tell me.
November 27th, 200912:22 pm
Josef…a lot of stress went out of my life when I learned that about the answer being no. That and Mark Twain’s story in “Letters from Earth” (I think that’s right) about the angel who allowed a child to drown. When tasked with why he didn’t save the child, the angel said he had viewed all of the outcomes of the child not drowning, and in all of them the child was paralyzed for life…except one.
November 27th, 200912:24 pm
Bosch==prayer as talking to G-d…my belief exactly…
“Why is it when you’re talking to G-d, your’re praying: but when G-d talks to you, you’re a paranoid schizophrenic?” –Lily Tomlin
RT–just ONE list?
USinUK–later! And as ye drive home in the gloamin’, just remember that come summer, you get all those hours back in the sunlight!
November 27th, 200912:25 pm
Happy weekend to you too USinUK!!
November 27th, 200912:26 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) – The Secret Service maintains that President Barack Obama was never in danger at a state dinner after an uninvited Virginia couple got through security, but it wouldn’t comment on whether anyone is screened for radiological or biological weapons.
I wish we could say the same about that potato chip that almost did W in…
Listening to God = meditation. I think some people equate prayer as “begging to God.” I just don’t like to think of “God” that way – that somehow it is required to beg.
November 27th, 200912:27 pm
Here’s the Virgo version:
““Blessed are the poor …Um, pardon me, sir, yes you in the front row. There’s a bit of lint on your lapel…..”
November 27th, 200912:28 pm
And the Pisces version,
“Blessed are the poor….aw hell, let’s break out the wine and weed we’ll all feel better in a jiffy.”
November 27th, 200912:29 pm
“prayer as talking to G-d”
And miracles DO happen, and God DOES have a sense of humor…I learned both of those at the same time. For a while I had to commute from Macon to Atlanta daily. And my drive home was after midnite. One night driving down I285 in my old VW van, it was cold and raining. I had, for some time, been having trouble with my windshield wipers stopping, and I would have to hit the switch to get them to start again.
Well, on this cold and rainy night, they stopped and would NOT start again…and I got really scared. I couldn’t see to get over to the side, and I was really afraid I’d cause an accident. I hit the switch just one more time and they started up, and ran the entire time until I got home. Miracle accompolished!
The sense of humor part? They never would work again and I had to break down and get the van to the mechanic to fix them!
November 27th, 200912:30 pm
LOL, Bosch. I may be Pisces in spirit, then.
USinUK, I have wanted to leave a message to you for the longest time just to say how much I enjoy reading your posts. You have such a quick wit, something I am envious of. I can sometimes think of a good comeback, but it is usually the next day or something, and by that time, well who cares?
As to whether or not Jesus could read, . . .
Luke 4:16 – He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read.
November 27th, 200912:31 pm
“that potato chip that almost did W”
pretzel, not potato chip
That story from Letters made me stop and think, too, that one and the p*ssing on the wall one, “what kind of G-d is that? Half of them couldn’t p*ss on the wall even if they wanted to!”
We had a rabbi when I was in college whose sermon was on the line from Fiddler when Tevye says to G-d “would it spoil some vast, eternal plan, if I were a wealthy man?” He laid out various scenarios of what might have happened had Tevye’s “wish” been granted, a sort of Jewish “Christmas Carol…”
November 27th, 200912:32 pm
BINGO! Back on top!
“I hit the switch just one more time and they started up, and ran the entire time until I got home. Miracle accompolished!”
I dated one lady who would thank Jesus if the traffic light turned green at just the right time. Finally I asked her what about the folks coming the other direction whose light just turned red? Did Jesus not love them?
November 27th, 200912:33 pm
I’m a day late and a dollar short but on the important stuffing versus dressing question, I’m firlmy in the dressing camp, as some of you might have guessed.
“I just don’t like to think of “God” that way – that somehow it is required to beg.”
I know what you mean…and so many of those “beggers” will also say they believe God is all-knowing, but can’t explain why – if he’s all-knowing – it’s necessary to pray in the first place. Shouldn’t it, in that case, be like the ad: “Psychics wanted – you know who to call”?
November 27th, 200912:36 pm
WW – per your Luke quote…remember that Luke COULD read and write, and he wrote many years after Jesus died. Being educated, it might not have been apparent to him that Jesus might not have been. In other words, he spoke from HIS experience. It’s not a given that he spoke from Jesus’s experience.
November 27th, 200912:37 pm
Doggone–A musical tribute in honor of your”miracle”:
November 27th, 200912:39 pm
Unmentionable is a pisces…that’s him alright…he claims Jesus WAS a pisces, and how does he know? Jesus told him so!
Doggone–you asked G-d to get you home safe. The repair man asked for business. Both prayers answered in one act on the part of the Alm-ighty…and yes, I know there are those who would question our hijinks concerning the Et-rnal today, but I do believe H- has a sense of humor. Again, as Granddaddy said, “well, H- created us, didn’t H-?”
wet wiccan–Ah! Thanks for the quote… I’m not as familiar with the New Testament as I should be…
November 27th, 200912:40 pm
Thanks Bruno…haven’t heard that one in a long time!
November 27th, 200912:41 pm
“I’m not as familiar with the New Testament as I should be…”
You’re not missing much, josef. (ducking flying Bibles)
November 27th, 200912:43 pm
Relative to the nature of G-d and man in the Jewish tradition versus the Christian and Muslim–we are not only allowed to get angry with and argue with G-d, we are expected to. It helps to vent the angst and often when G-d yells back…
“Doggone–you asked G-d to get you home safe”
I did, but not conciously. All I did was think “I’m REALLY scared” – and hit the switch and the wipers worked. Which just goes to show that I can’t fake sincerity, but I AM capable of it!
November 27th, 200912:46 pm
Somebody once asked Unmentionable what the difference was between Southern Christians and others, he said “well, you know Southerners do everything backward. We start reading the Bible with Revelation and work backward. We know how it turns out and don’t try to change things…”
November 27th, 200912:48 pm
“It helps to vent the angst and often when G-d yells back…”
Sure. If God didn’t want to be questioned…why did he give mankind a questioning mind?
November 27th, 200912:49 pm
Probably the most religious people I know are gamblers. “Please, Lord, just let this guy hit a nine one more time, and I’ll never ask for another favor ever again……”
November 27th, 200912:50 pm
Flipping the switch–the leprechaun from the hedge school used to say, “you’re supposed to be asking G-d for help. That doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to get up off you sorry a** and do something instead of sittin’ there waiting for G-d to do it for you…”
I missed the discussion the other day about Adam and Eve, but wanted to share a couple of quotes relevant to that.
“Your God person puts an apple tree in the middle of a garden and says, do what you like guys, oh, but don’t eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting ‘Gotcha.’ It wouldn’t have made any difference if they hadn’t eaten it.”
“Because if you’re dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won’t give up. They’ll get you in the end.”
– Douglas Adams, “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe”
Adam was but human—this explains it all. He did not want the apple for the apple’s sake; he wanted it only because it was forbidden. The mistake was in not forbidding the serpent; then he would have eaten the serpent.
– Mark Twain, “Pudd’nhead Wilson”; from Pudd’nhead Wilson’s Calendar
DANG! I missed USinUK again!
November 27th, 200912:52 pm
“He did not want the apple for the apple’s sake; he wanted it only because it was forbidden. ”
There is a lot to be said re: the wise selection of our taboos, ww.
November 27th, 200912:53 pm
Was playing cards one p.m. and, off the cuff let out one of those “G-d willing” ones, to which Unmentionable, played, raked in the pot and said, “H- ain’t listenin’ to the Christ Killers.” And says after tallying his take, “what a friend we have in Jesus!”
Doggone – that verse in Luke WAS talking about Jesus. He was the one who stood up to read.
November 27th, 200912:54 pm
and Beer is a sign that G*d loves us and wants us to be happy
Good religious discussion going on. Although, according to some of the Conservatives here, all y’all Liberals want to do is bash Christians and Christianity. So quit the discussing, and get to the bashing already. You know Conservatives are never wrong.
And a little musical selection to help get y’all through the afternoon.
November 27th, 200912:56 pm
“And says after tallying his take, “what a friend we have in Jesus!”
I’ll have to try that one sometime. Too funny, jo.
“That doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to get up off you sorry a** and do something instead of sittin’ there waiting for G-d to do it for you…”
Like the people trapped on their roof by a flood. A guy in a canoe comes by to save them, and they refuse…because “God will save us.” Then an emergency crew comes in a power boat, and again they refuse because “God will save us.” Then a helicoptor crew tries to save them, and they refuse because “God will save us.” And the water rises and they drown…and when they get to heaven they want to know why God didn’t save them. And St Peter said “We sent you 2 boats and a helicoptor, what more did you want?”
Another of Unmentionable’s. “G-d is an Indian. ‘the L-rd giveth and the L-rd taketh away, Indian G*ver beeth the name of the L-rd.’”
November 27th, 200912:58 pm
Bruno@ 12:32 –
I’m going out on a limb here, but ya’ll didn’t date too long after that I’ll bet.
I always get a kick out of those here who throw out “Christian bashing” – what they really mean is “OMG!! You think different than me and my tiny little brain can not compute!! You CAN’T be a Christian!!!!” Jesus has always been just alright with me!!
November 27th, 200912:59 pm
What time does the Iron Bowl start?
“Doggone – that verse in Luke WAS talking about Jesus. He was the one who stood up to read”
WW – hasn’t our discussion to date shown you that you need to understand the difference in something written ABOUT Jesus, and something said BY Jesus. Luke was not a child in the same village as Jesus, he didn’t KNOW that Jesus could read, he ASSUMED it because he, Luke, could read.
We actually have no written eye-witness accounts of Jesus childhood.
November 27th, 20091:00 pm
“I’m going out on a limb here, but ya’ll didn’t date too long after that I’ll bet.”
Fortunately, she was a Pisces…….
Bosch I think you have that prayer/energy thing right.
My fianl paper on Christianity in Religions class was entitled “Jesus Rides the Tao” and sent my fundie teacher into the nethers.
Too many people view prayer as a PIN number to some cosmic cash machine, or to handicap today’s football game.
Our joke at church when someone said “I’ll pray for you” was to mutter “Gee, thanks a lot.”
But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night as a result of it is something else altogether.
Signed, a Gemini
November 27th, 20091:01 pm
“Fortunately, she was a Pisces…….”
I’m sooo glad, the other Bosch never felt that way, even after 20 years.
November 27th, 20091:02 pm
“We actually have no written eye-witness accounts of Jesus childhood.”
Thankfully there were plenty of painters around. Otherwise we wouldn’t know what Jesus even looked like.
November 27th, 20091:03 pm
Love that one. One of my favorites: there was a mother who had no food for her children. She knelt by the fireplace and asked G-d to send her food. A bunch of mean little boys looking through the window saw and went and brought back some bread, climbed on the roof and threw it down the chimney. The woman began thanking G-d and the little boys told her what they had done and it wasn’t G-d. She responded, “well, the devil may have brought it, but the L-rd sent it.”
Hard to believe, ain’t it? Who’d've thunk it. And my part of my fambly claims G-d lives in Tuscaloosa…
November 27th, 20091:04 pm
that want to, do. Them that don’t want to, discuss to death.
“Otherwise we wouldn’t know what Jesus even looked like.”
Yep, and he “looked” so many ways! Actually, in a weird way, this reminds me of Lincoln’s response to being called “two-faced”: “If I was two-faced, would I be wearing this one?”
November 27th, 20091:05 pm
“But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night as a result of it is something else altogether.”
I thought that was called being horny.
Doggone @ 11:36 So laborer became carpenter. We do like to romanticize our legends and heros.
I agree Jesus was Pisces. They do so love to be martyrs.
November 27th, 20091:07 pm
Afternoon everybody. Have I mentioned recently how much I enjoy cleaning the gutters?
Damn, that job just plain old-fashioned sucks!
“Good religious discussion going on.”
So ABM, it is too early to begin this year’s War On Christmas yet?! (Or do we have to wait until the combat hardened William O’Lie-lly sounds the alarm first?)
B, I was looking for some stuff on my birth state and kind of stumbled on this “discovery”. I guess I had heard of them, but never took a listen. The harmonies are pretty sweet and remind me a bit of Brewer & Shipley…
Josef…yes, that’s a good one too!
November 27th, 20091:08 pm
“We do like to romanticize our legends and heros.”
Yes, we certainly do…and in the process we tend to destroy the essence of their message too, not just their memory.
November 27th, 20091:09 pm
AmVet, only when it is cold and wet… or a sunny hot summer day. But yeah, cold wet slimey leaves are nasty.
November 27th, 20091:11 pm
“Too many people view prayer as a PIN number to some cosmic cash machine…”
G-d I wish I’d said that! Can I quote you?
A gemini, eh? That makes eight of us!
Bruno–how else would we know he was blonde and blue-eyed? My “second mama,” Doris K, used to call me her Botacelli Christ!
November 27th, 20091:12 pm
AmVet – I am glad you showed up. I read on another thread that you are from Kansas. I was born and raised in Wichita. Are you from anywhere near there? Small world ain’t it?
November 27th, 20091:14 pm
On a funny note, a few years ago my sister and I were cleaning out the barn and found the light-up Nativity set my parents used to stick in the yard in the ’70s.
Mary had blond hair, and was quite fair.
I guess Sears Roebuck didn’t spend much time thinking about what Jesus might have looked like.
You were talking birth signs earlier and I thought I’d throw mine out there Aquarius with sagittarius rising (moon). Explains a lot, huh?
My Drift Factor is 10.
November 27th, 20091:15 pm
With all the Geminis here, it is a wonder there is ever any coherent conversation. Y’all must be exceptional specimens.
IRS=Iranian Revenue Service?
Shirin Ebadi Nobel Peace Prize medal ’seized by Iran’
November 27th, 20091:16 pm
I’m Aquarian too, Normal, but Gemini rising.
“The harmonies are pretty sweet and remind me a bit of Brewer & Shipley…”
Nice selection. I remain open to “new” artists, but for me the music died in Aug, 1995.
I ran across this interesting piece while tromping around youtube. The Beatles meet Pink Floyd:
November 27th, 20091:17 pm
“I agree Jesus was Pisces. They do so love to be martyrs.”
Don’t they just!
Oh, you poor geminis married to a pisces! You have my sympathy! That blasted bunc “feels” everything and wouldn’t think if they had to…and the worst part of it is, they’re generally right!
November 27th, 20091:18 pm
A gemini, eh? That makes eight of us!
Ahem–make that ten.
“I guess Sears Roebuck didn’t spend much time thinking about what Jesus might have looked like.”
Probably not…but they knew to a T what their customers THOUGHT he should look like.
November 27th, 20091:19 pm
Gale, I’m Feb. 16 and my wife is Feb. 17
wet wiccan, wow!
St. Josephs Hospital in Wichita. And on top of that, I was born on January 29th – the day Kansas was admitted to the Union! (Not the same year smart asses!)
I spent my first 16 years living in Sedgwick and Sumner counties.
November 27th, 20091:20 pm
“Ahem–make that ten.” I can’t believe I just now got why you all kept adding two. And I’m the astrologer. Duh!
November 27th, 20091:21 pm
Doggone you are so right. I took custody of the set, and rectified things with a Marks-a-lot.
November 27th, 20091:22 pm
What’s worse is a Taurus married to a Pisces. The other Bosch DEMANDS my martyrdom!
@@ always said I was wishy washy. She has no idea. I can’t help I was born under a water sign.
November 27th, 20091:23 pm
I don’t know if I got it right – I know what works in my head.
November 27th, 20091:24 pm
Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing.
Coherent conversation? Well, that depends on your definition of coherent…even when talking to myself we know what we’re talking about!
Me? Gemini, Saggitarius rising and stellium of five planets (including moon) in Cancer…not gooood!
(But Mars in Capricorn, so don’t mess with me!
OKAY, where’s NIF? We’ve gone off on astrology!
November 27th, 20091:25 pm
Hey! The Normals and I are birthday buds!!! I’m the 22nd. I don’t like to brag, but I’m so much like George Washington. Yeah, right.
November 27th, 20091:26 pm
Bruno, that was an excellent mix, thanks…
“Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing”
I think it’s something along the lines of Shakespeares plays being costumed in the clothing of the day, not the historical clothing. When you get right down to it…it’s not important to his message.
Since Matilda isn’t here, I’ll speak up on her behalf to increase the Gemini total to 12.
My Mercury is in Gemini, which explains my chattiness. Moon in Cancer, though.
“If you think Cancer Suns are hopeless victims of their own emotions, a Cancer Moon kicks any Sun sign’s whine factor up several notches”–Hazel Dixon-Cooper.
November 27th, 20091:27 pm
Neato, Normal. You get to share birthday cake. I hated it as a kid with my sister’s birthday two days after mine, Feb 9 and 11. Now, my partner’s dad if Feb 7. So, how is it married to another Aquarian. Sounds pretty sparky, and I mean that in a good way.
November 27th, 20091:28 pm
AmVet I lived in Wichita until I moved to Georgia when I was 25. (Except for my junior year of HS, when I lived in San Antonio) I am a West High grad ‘72. GO PIONEERS! Sumner County, is that Newton?
“@@ always said I was wishy washy.”
She said the same thing about me. At least I know I’m in good company.
AmVet–Throw out your horoscope profile so we can pick on it. Aquarius Sun sign would make sense.
November 27th, 20091:29 pm
November 27th, 2009
Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing.
It was a Catholic thing…
November 27th, 20091:30 pm
josef @ 1:24 – ::snort:: Where was that screen cleaner agin? :->
“I was born on January 29th”
Ha!!! I was right. And I thought there was nothing to Astrology, Am?!?!?
November 27th, 20091:31 pm
And a Gemini married to a Gemini, no less. Supper goes something like this:
Me: What do you want to do for supper?
Him: Well I sure as h#ll don’t want to cook.
Me: How about going out? You choose.
Him: mumble mumble mumble OK the Roadhouse.
Me: Cool! They’ve got those great shrimp skewers.
Him: You know, I’ve been hankering for Spaghetti.
Me: How about Luigi’s?
Him: No, I’ll fix it here…Hey, isn’t Criminal Minds about to come on?
November 27th, 20091:33 pm
Gale, I like the way the dates work out. I get my present first and I have 24 hours to reciprocate. Nice, huh?
“including moon) in Cancer…not gooood!”
Now I know why you and I seem to understand each other, josef!
josef, but that puts your Cancer stellum in the 7th house, no? Seems that would be good for a relationship.
November 27th, 20091:36 pm
“If you think Cancer Suns are hopeless victims of their own emotions, a Cancer Moon kicks any Sun sign’s whine factor up several notches”–Hazel Dixon-Cooper.”
Yeah, and when that Sun sign is Gemini, whoa! And a Jew on top of it? Whiner might as well move over, that title’s MINE!
November 27th, 20091:39 pm
Any bets that AmVet’s moon is in Cancer as well?
If you don’t know for sure, Am, you can go to astro.cafeastrology.com for a free chart. It even has a compatibility reading for you married folks. Lot of fun, give it a try.
November 27th, 20091:42 pm
My chart is mostly air and water. My partner is mostly earth and fire. Balance is a wonderful thing.
Hate to bring this up while we are discussing astrology, but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio? I’ve often heard that we’re the most difficult to get along with.
November 14th, baby!
Mrs. R. and I have been married for twenty wonderful years – 25 total, but five weren’t so good (rim shot).
November 27th, 20091:44 pm
Oh OUR relationship is fine…it’s the bloody Unmentionable that keeps us in a dither! He keeps telling us he wants to know how we feel…then he gets his feelings hurt when we tell him!
Him–what do you feel like for dinner?
Me–I feel like sh*t. What do I think I could eat?
BRUNO–we’re sensitve, damm*t!
November 27th, 20091:45 pm
Actually a little chicken village called Perth. Population 48! My dad worked at Boeing and I went to a two room school until the seventh grade. It was as rural as one can imagine, but gawd it was good life. And I learned the value of HARD work there. Really hard work.
But there was also time for four speed GTOs and motorcycles. (I feel the need, the need for speed.)
OK, you guys lost me with all your risings and such in such in so and so…(Where the hell is Nancy when I need her? Probably still just saying no…)
I’m more an ascension and declination kind of cat!
B, that mix was pretty damn wild.
This one crept into my mind a bit ago (I still love that opening guitar part…)
“but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio?”
Cancer. Cancer is the only sign that can get along with all other signs.
November 27th, 20091:48 pm
Dave R, My brother is Nov 13. He just lost his Aquarian wife of 40 years. I think it was a mostly happy, though often tumultuous match. But I agree Scorpio can be difficult and I would probably stay away from Scorpios myself.
November 27th, 20091:49 pm
Too funny, josef. I was forever hurting my Pisces mother’s feelings. Aquarians can be so blunt.
November 27th, 20091:51 pm
“but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio? ”
According to Linda Goodman, “Scorpio has lessons to learn from Sagittarius–Sagittarius is tolerant of Scorpio’s shortcomings and different outlook”. Friendship matches include Virgo,Capricorn, Cancer and Pisces; conflict arises with Leo, Aquarius, Aries and Gemini.
November 27th, 20091:55 pm
AmVet @ 1:45
Not as well known as some of their other stuff but it should be. I’ve always liked that D-C-F-D progression.
November 27th, 20091:56 pm
Bruno, Scorpios have shortcomings?
Not from this point of view, certainly!
November 27th, 20092:01 pm
As much as I don’t want to, gotta run for a bit…duty calls and I’m about through with the second triage of finds in the archaeoligical dig known as my home office,,,
November 27th, 20092:02 pm
“Not as well known as some of their other stuff but it should be. I’ve always liked that D-C-F-D progression.”
Gotta run for a while, but here’s a LS tribute to my good friend, Dave. We were buddies for a long, long time, but fell apart when he left his wife and kids. Maybe I should have been a better “friend” and supported his decision, but I didn’t support it and let him know in no uncertain terms. It cost me our friendship, but I still love the guy anyway. This was his favorite LS song growing up in Enterprise, Alabama. Here’s to you, Dave:
November 27th, 20092:03 pm
Hillbilly, I was thinking of you the other night when I Joe Bidened that Ricky Skaggs piece you turned me onto.
It just grabbed me by the you know whats and still hasn’t let go.
As I said before, with a couple of tears in my eyes, I guess you just have to be a kid who grew up along way from anywhere to really get it…
November 27th, 20092:13 pm
Another one in the same vein. For people like me, there really is no place like home.
November 27th, 20092:14 pm
AmVet – My dad worked for Boeing too, and both of my brothers. (one still does). All of them proud union members of the IAM.
November 27th, 20092:16 pm
No offense, but based on the Scorpio men I know, if my daughter brings one home, she will instantly be locked in a closet.
November 27th, 20092:17 pm
You’re free to be wishy-washy. As an Aquarian, I bear the water you like to swim in.
I don’t find you wishy-washy….just deceptive. ‘Tis wise to be skeptical of those who would deceive.
November 27th, 20092:19 pm
“I don’t find you wishy-washy….just deceptive. ‘Tis wise to be skeptical of those who would deceive.”
You might make a good poker player after all, @@.
November 27th, 20092:22 pm
I saw a biography on Johnny Cash the other night, what a great guy – and I think this was his best:
November 27th, 20092:25 pm
And this dude was always a favorite of mine too – the only concert I ever went to with my dad:
November 27th, 20092:30 pm
Sorry, but your water holds no interest for me.
November 27th, 20092:31 pm
Bosch – Did you ever see the link I left for you for the “Send Dick Cheney back to Hell” game?
No, I didn’t, but I like it already!!
November 27th, 20092:40 pm
“You might make a good poker player after all, @@.”
That is, of course, if you ever stopped believing your OWN BS:
November 27th, 20092:42 pm
HD, I see where he’s from Tulsa. No wonder those videos looked so familiar. Right outta my youth.
And I damn near mentioned swimming holes and fishing poles while talking about Kansas to wiccan. (I coulda been a song writer!)
The only thing “missing” were giant (as in ten to twelve foot tall) stands of sunflowers.
And as I grew up but 12 miles form the OK. border, I’m kind of almost sooner, and who in their right mind doesn’t love this musical?
November 27th, 20092:47 pm
November 27th, 20092:48 pm
and who in their right mind doesn’t love this musical
I’ve never cared much for musicals but there is some good music in that one. (And there are those who would debate whether are not I’m in my right mind but that’s another story for another day)
November 27th, 20092:57 pm
Am and HD:
November 27th, 20092:58 pm
November 27th, 20092:59 pm
Where are we given instruction to ridicule and mock them?
We’re not, but then it’s not I who has engaged in that kind of mockery since early this morn.
In a broader sense, it’s not I that mocks and ridicules the less educated…those who stand on traditions/principles handed down by their parents and grandparents. Break away if you like. There’s no need to break them down in the process.
Just my opinion! Do with it as you will.
November 27th, 20093:02 pm
Just steped back in…are we doing Musicals? Just in case, this is for all the JFK and his dream …
“We’re not, but then it’s not I who has engaged in that kind of mockery since early this morn”
“Tommy did it first” is not a very good defense. Whatever happened to “turn the other cheek”?
November 27th, 20093:06 pm
And of course any kind of discussion about Christianity that doesn’t fall step in @@’s view of what’s right is automatically labeled as “mocking” – what she doesn’t seem to grasp is that is mocking our beliefs – and too pious to see it.
November 27th, 20093:07 pm
To our Troops over there…
“We’re not, but then it’s not I who has engaged in that kind of mockery since early this morn.”
The bottom line, @@, is that you somehow believe that your religious faith sets you apart from other humans. That’s the only thing that I mock.
Most everybody who has ever picked up a guitar has tried to play this at one time or another. Few, if any, can play it like this.
Chet plays this in open C position. Mother Maybelle played in C position with a capo on the 7th fret, so she was actually playing it in G.
November 27th, 20093:11 pm
“what she doesn’t seem to grasp is that is mocking our beliefs – and too pious to see it”
yep, and also doesn’t seem to see that “mocking” someone’s beliefs is not the same thing as mocking the foundations of the religion they profess to follow.
I never knew the connection between Willie Nelson and Chet Atkins until I saw a special on Willie the other night. I grew up listening to Willie, it’s the best memory of my dad I have. Thanks for posting that. I was noticing yesterday that my dad is getting pretty old and alot more frail and it’s been bothering me for a while. It’s tough watching our parents get like that.
November 27th, 20093:15 pm
I don’t think any of us were mocking Christianity. Just discussing the differences in how we see things. It’s the same mindset we see here that if anyone of us bring up race, then we are instantly labeled racist. Same thing – you bring up that you have a different spin from the fundies, then you are “bashing” Christianity. Narrow minds can’t think outside their perfect little boxes of how they perceive things. It’s quite sad and quite dangerous.
November 27th, 20093:19 pm
Why is Luca Toni unhappy at Munchen?
November 27th, 20093:20 pm
When this guy was in high school he opened up for some friends of mine’s band a couple times. Glad to see he’s made a splash.
“I don’t think any of us were mocking Christianity”
Quite right, we were just discussing it from our own points of view.
“Narrow minds can’t think outside their perfect little boxes of how they perceive things. It’s quite sad and quite dangerous.”
Yep, and it’s a shame. They are missing so much. I once tried to explain to a young women the genesis of the “Xmas” usage for Christmas, but she had already been taught that it was a desecration and didn’t want to hear the truth about it.
November 27th, 20093:26 pm
HD, these guys made a little bit of a splash as well:
Not bad for a bunch of Yankees and California boys!
November 27th, 20093:31 pm
Got me. I haven’t kept up with the Bundesliga this year like I have in the past. But with most things with players such as Toni, I’m sure it has more to do with his ginormous ego than anything else.
November 27th, 20093:32 pm
Narrow minds can’t think outside their perfect little boxes of how they perceive things. It’s quite sad and quite dangerous.
That’s odd. I’m on record here (in archives) as thinking outside the box when it comes to creationism and evolution. A sound argument wherein one does not exclude the other. The debate re: Adam and Eve? That moment in time where God entered the conscience of humankind.
But…..I’m a fundie for the convenience of your debate?
So many of you have written, so it must be.
Whatever, dude. If it makes you happy…who am I to say otherwise?
November 27th, 20093:35 pm
Vassar Clements was from Florida.
November 27th, 20093:38 pm
“Vassar Clements was from Florida.”
Just seeing if you were paying attention, HD. Can’t slip anything by you!
Happy Spanksgiving wishes from all of the children at the Boogers for The Children Fund!
November 27th, 20093:41 pm
I know you like to think that you are somehow the center of all our attention, but that isn’t the case. I consider you a fundie because you make blanket statements about alot of things – you like to define groups of people, based on your perceived notions. You quite frequently group all liberals think this way or that based on your notions of right and wrong and your own definitions. You also quite frequently write that any discussion of Christianity that doesn’t fit your own beliefs as “Christian bashing” or as you claimed earlier “mocking” when nothing could be further from the truth.
Like you say, whatever dude. Indeed, who are YOU to say?
Booger–Would you like to join my favorite charity? Nuke the Whales.
November 27th, 20093:44 pm
I cant wait for the return of Whale Wars. All those baby’s on that ship crying and whining like 4 year olds and most of them not knowin they could be killed at any moment. All out on the high seas acting like jerk-offs.
November 27th, 20093:45 pm
Here is our official creed:
We should nuke the whales because they are plotting against us in a handful of sinister ways. For starters, they eat sailors, and sometimes even real people, too. Remember that Jonah guy? They also eat boats. Not those really small, dingy boats either. For example, you know the Titanic? It didn’t sink because it hit an iceberg. Come on, icebergs between the UK and the US? What am I, retarded? The only logical explanation would be the whales eating it.
The whales are also drinking all our water. Oh sure, it’s just a minor drought right now, but one day you will go to the beach and there will be a sign saying “Sorry, no water.” It will happen.
Lastly, those damn sea-mammals are eating all of our fish. The fish were put in the sea by Jesus for humans to eat, not whales. Don’t believe me, ask Him. Jesus, I mean. Ask Jesus about it. It being the fish. They’re for humans. The fish, I mean, not the whales or Jesus. Seriously, just ask Him. Do it! Do it now! Before it’s too late!
And, while you’re at it, ask Jesus why the ocean is so salty. Ever taste the ocean? Salty! Ever taste whales piss? Me neither!
November 27th, 20093:48 pm
Stepped out for how long and come back and just look at the squabble you chirren are gettin’ into!
And I see some of y’all have decided it’s Friday night even if Jay hasn’t.
You’d be hard pressed to find where I’ve bashed ANY religion or its believers therein. I don’t consider it my responsibility. If I’ve ridiculed you, it’s only because you’ve had your fun ridiculing “fundies”.
More than a handful can play the same game, no?
November 27th, 20093:50 pm
Friend had a shirt made for me once that said: “Nuke a gay whale for Christ.”
November 27th, 20093:51 pm
“And I see some of y’all have decided it’s Friday night even if Jay hasn’t.”
F Jay. He’s not here. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
November 27th, 20093:53 pm
“The whales are also drinking all our water. Oh sure, it’s just a minor drought right now, but one day you will go to the beach and there will be a sign saying “Sorry, no water.” It will happen.”
The Boogers for The Children fund is able to tolerate many cruel and perpetrated acts, however, “the whales drinking all our water” cannot be tolerated. These whales are supposed to be intelligent and I guess they are at murdering the entire human race.
Yes. I must conclude it is a concerted effort, betwixt and between the lowliest porpoise to the largest great blue whale, that these whales have it out for us. Each of them acting independently of one another to lull the human race into a false sense of security, while behaving as a roaming pack of “sea-wolves” and ushering in our ultimate demise.
What dastardly beings, these whales.
November 27th, 20093:55 pm
I saw these and thought they might, on occasion, fit.
November 27th, 20093:56 pm
Cancer is the only sign that can get along with all other signs
Well just call me Mr. Compatibility.
It’s amazing what you can stir the pack animals into. I guess they figure if enough of them make the same accusation nobody will have to bother to back it up, but I remain impressed at the power you have over them.
November 27th, 20093:58 pm
F Jay. He’s not here. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
November 27th, 20093:59 pm
“Well just call me Mr. Compatibility”
Yeah, me too…just not the Mr part!
November 27th, 20094:01 pm
I didn’t say you bash any religion, I did say that you claim Christian bashing occurs here when anyone talks about it in a way you disagree with. Again, trying to spin it away from yourself to make yourself look clean. I think the link Bruno posted sums you up nicely. That, of course, is only my opinion.
November 27th, 20094:02 pm
You think Bama spotted Auburn 14 early just to Eff with ABM?
November 27th, 20094:03 pm
Well, RW, they ARE self-avowed democrats. As such, they’d probably prefer a woman keep her mouth shut so THEIR truth can set THEM free.
November 27th, 20094:04 pm
November 27th, 20094:06 pm
I have never once heard a blogger here make the declaration that they are a self-avowed Democrat or Republican for that matter.
November 27th, 20094:12 pm
One for you. Am:
I’m gonna have to break this one into several…..
These boys from England
were big fans of the harmonies of….
November 27th, 20094:13 pm
These boys from Kentucky
who were big fans of the harmonies of….
November 27th, 20094:14 pm
These boys from Alabama
who were big fans of the harmonies of……
These boys from Texas
November 27th, 20094:36 pm
The moonbats were out on Michigan Avenue protesting animal cruelty in front of the Bloomingdales, after which they proceeded to march up through the throng of dazed shoppers, screaming at them with their bullhorns.
The hot Japanese chicks thought we were under attack until they saw me, cool western man, giggling at the moonbats, at which point they all joined in with a good hearty and jiggly laugh.
Right after the moonbats cleared the front of the store, the wife got herself a new mink coat…..
November 27th, 20094:38 pm
I have never once heard a blogger here make the declaration that they are a self-avowed Democrat…
Liberals? Progressives? Many here have proudly proclaimed the label.
O.K., so they’re the ones that wish Sarah Palin would just keep her mouth shut? Michelle Malkin?
Megyn Kelly? Mary Katharine Ham? Amanda Carpenter? Elisabeth Hasselbeck? Dana Perino? Laura Ingraham? Pamela Geller? Michele Bachmann? Peggy Noonan?
Can we call this a “Cimbalotic” moment?
I’ve been reading but not commenting much. Observing, if you will. Re: the discussion about women and their exclusion from the pulpit. It might surprise some of you to know….instead of just your professions of knowing….that 80% of the congregate within the protestant faiths support the idea of women in the pulpit. Progress from within is the intended goal. We’re patient without condemning.
On the very topic, my former minister, who supports women in the pulpit, once said that more can be accomplished through evolution than revolution. I tend to agree with him. No hard feelings after the fact.
I can see where Hillbilly Deluxe wants to enjoy a music festival. I like Hillbilly, so I’ll take my divisive self and be gone.
November 27th, 20094:40 pm
Impromptu traveling tune appropriate for the situation-
November 27th, 20094:42 pm
And the Devil he’s in trouble
I can see it in his eyes
If you don’t give him shelter
He’ll have no place to hide
Like both you and I, Bama is doing the Cancer thing. It ’s a “make them feel good” gesture. The 2nd half will be different.
Back after the game.
November 27th, 20094:47 pm
I Report @ 4:40
Ah, I remember when that came out. Bought it on 8 track. For the first 6 or 7 albums, those guys made some incredible music.
I think I hear leftovers calling my name.
November 27th, 20094:48 pm
It is always fascinating to see that some people and political groups have always been compelled to seek out outlets for the hatred which is born of their own insuffiencies as a human beings. The Jews have dealt with this as have the Irish and the blacks and certain other groups.
In our politically correct society today, there really is only one religious group left which may be persecuted publically by these types of people and that group is the Christians. As I have stated before, I have no use for people that wear their religion, no matter what religious affiliation it is, on their sleeves as I believe that their struggle for goodness should be displayed by their deeds, not by any social status which may be born of their particular belief. If people choose to believe in a higher power and that power is God and Jesus, then let them do it. Don’t demonize or belittle them for it just because you want to find a scapegoat for your own faults. If you don’t believe as they do, then don’t. Just don’t parse out hatred towards them because they believe differently than you do. Any religion that causes people to suffer or hurts people deserves close scrutiny (not hate) and right now the only group doing that is Islam. I don’t know of any current Christian terrorists, do you?
November 27th, 20094:51 pm
Liberals want to see those women shut up? Are you serious? I for one want to see them speak loud and long.
Not sure how the topic of women in the pulpit has to do with anything that remotely came up this afternoon. But, changing the subject can be a handy thing.
Okay, I too am off to watch the rest of the Iron Bowl.
November 27th, 20094:54 pm
That dude that shot the abortion doctor – and Eric Rudolph come to mind. And I could name a few who terrorized me as a child who are still alive and active in their church. Why don’t you go back to the previous page, Bruno linked a good essay you should read.
November 27th, 20094:56 pm
There’s two ways of looking at that: that he had foreknowledge of his future, and so avoided marriage and children. Or his economic status made it difficult to find a suitable wife.
We are all God’s children you bonehead.
You libs wouldn’t know Jesus if you fell over him.
November 27th, 20094:58 pm
Just as we are all the son of God.
November 27th, 20095:01 pm
“I don’t know of any current Christian terrorists, do you?”
Bosch’s points notwithstanding, if you mean by “organized Christian groups”, no, not really.
At least since Clinton helped broker the Belfast Agreement…
November 27th, 20095:16 pm
Just thought I’d throw the pulpit exclusion in for good measure. It’s been bandied about by liberals/progressives on numerous occasions. All for the convenience of breaking down the “fundies” by SBAs.
The inconvenient truth is…..well…..it’s just not true. One would have to be an involved member to know these things.
November 27th, 20095:20 pm
Just got through the posts for today.
Sorta sad. Libs, Dems, Astrology nuts, atheists,or whatever you want to be called; sit here making jokes, big deals like whether Jesus could read or write, carpenter or not, why who did what and other cataclysmic decisions. Then there’s accusations (fundies! ) followed by every little haha religious deal you can think of.. Most of all, you flail about on every aspect of Chritian faith and then call it a “discussion”..
The biggest religious discussions today are made in churches and I don’t believe many of you ever attend. Some of your comments are so outdated and outlandish that if is obvious you seldom go to any house of faith. Yes, I know. You read a book, etc. etc. etc.
But freedom of speech continues so babble on my friends. When the Tower of Babel fell, they started blogs!! And don’t tell me about languages. I just had lunch with an Ethiopian, two Mexicans, a Porta Rican and three locals. We had a most congenial time and conversation and not one of us knew our “signs. “. It is possible to get along when your mind is open and you can still see the goodness and gifts that surround us.
Some of you need to get out more. Maybe then you can decide how many angels dance on a pin head or other big questions. Go for it!!
But it’s still a diversionary tactic to avoid and change the subject, and a sweeping blanket statement by yourself to include all liberals think that way, which is well……….just not true. Inconvenient for you huh?
November 27th, 20095:22 pm
“The biggest religious discussions today are made in churches”
I disagree. I see religion discussed everywhere – schools, churches, media, you name it. It’s not just for churches anymore.
November 27th, 20095:25 pm
What to say when Tiger Woods gets behind the wheel …………… FOUR !
Boy, is there more to this story …………. hummmmm …………….
November 27th, 20095:27 pm
Don’t you just love it when someone comes on to a blog to tell everyone there (which actually includes themselves!) that they should be somewhere else?
November 27th, 20095:28 pm
Not changing the subject. The subject was your “fundies in a bunch”. If someone makes a statement about the backward ways of the Church re: women, and no one offers the truth, the statement is taken as fact.
I can’t let falsehoods stand. You on the other hand….
are more than happy to as long as the Church is the target.
November 27th, 20095:30 pm
Jesus, the Christ, was the Son of God. We are just children made in the image of God with the freedom to make both good and bad decisions.
The Christian believes that Jesus sacrificed himself to save us from those bad decisions..Did you learn something different?
November 27th, 20095:31 pm
Okay, I was trying to keep my mouth shut (or my fingers still) but, I’m chiming in anyway. Times like this a.m. I’m always nervous when joining in on the religious hijinks. I don’t want to come off as disrespectful of the belief systems of others, but there is humor to be found in everything and I do believe G-d wants us to chuckle at both ourselves and H-m. Every faith, including the Dems and the GOP, have their dour element who are by-the-book according to the latest memo, people who are afraid to step outside the box for fear of being branded heretics.
There is a big difference, in my opinion, between joshing and serious questioning, and bashing. I will agree with many posters who have maintained that Christian bashing is “acceptable” in certain quarters and it pains me to see my fellow liberals let it pass without challenge. I feel the same way about South bashing, Jew-baiting, f*g snicker-snicker, GOP grave-dancing, Dem demoltion or what have you. Granddaddy’s dictum, “no offense meant, none taken” and “consider the source” would “fra many a blunder free us.”
Bosch…earlier I made mention of teaching and preaching. You know the difference, don’t you?
A preacher TELLS you what you OUGHT to do.
A teacher SHOW you what you CAN do.
November 27th, 20095:32 pm
Get a grip woman. Nobody’s bashing “fundies” here. I’m perfectly willing to let “fundies” live their lives unencumbered by me, I just wish they’d reciprocate.
November 27th, 20095:34 pm
“Jesus said, go to the entire world and preach the Gospel to every person; baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Know that I am with you always, even to the end of time.”
November 27th, 20095:36 pm
““Jesus said, go to the entire world and preach the Gospel to every person; baptizing them in the name ”
Interesting command from someone who did no baptizing of anyone, don’t you think?
“Don’t you just love it when someone comes on to a blog to tell everyone there (which actually includes themselves!) that they should be somewhere else?”
That one always gets me…duh…
“A preacher TELLS you what you OUGHT to do.
A teacher SHOW you what you CAN do.”
And there’s something to recommend both…a truly wise individual, in my opinion, can combine the two in a seamless whole…
November 27th, 20095:38 pm
I learned the quote as “…preach the Gospel to every creature…” Should have seen Unmentionable quoting scripture this a.m. to the squirrels raiding the bird feeder…
November 27th, 20095:39 pm
No, the subject was not fundies in a bunch, nor women in the pulpit. Women in the pulpit was NEVER mentioned by anyone. You were not privy to that conversation earlier, but decided to make your own assessment that “mockery” had taken place, and of course your opinion is your own opinion, but then when challenged, you chose a to change the subject and tried in vain to inject that we had said the fundies are backwards because women should not be in the pulpit. YOU brought that up, we didn’t. Yes, you are trying in vain to change the subject. I really don’t care. Maybe you should bring that up when that has been ascertained by someone.
You can’t let falsehoods stand? Well damn! Who made those falsehoods that you just can’t let stand? I think that was YOU!!
Yes, I did learn something different from your statement.
November 27th, 20095:40 pm
Take it up with Him.
The point is, Christians are COMMANDED to try and convert all they can.
“I will make you fishers of men!”
November 27th, 20095:41 pm
The doctrines and faith of religions are discussed in church. The superstitions, applications, bad experiences and rejections are discussed by many to justify their disbelief. Seems more light logic and rejection of faith than discussion.
Public schools are not allowed religious education or discussions last I heard.. I only watch TV at night and seldom listen to the radio. So I may be missing religious programs there.
“And there’s something to recommend both…a truly wise individual, in my opinion, can combine the two in a seamless whole”
Sure, but when preaching becomes “do as I say, not as I do” then it no longer has any value.
November 27th, 20095:42 pm
You memorized the King James version. Surely you know the “old English” of that day is different from today.
By the way ……. be careful ……… “God is not mocked.”
November 27th, 20095:45 pm
“The point is, Christians are COMMANDED to try and convert all they can”
The point is you can’t be SURE you are reading the words that Jesus actually said. You can only know that you are reading what someone else said he said. You have to balance that with what Jesus DID, and HE did not go around condemning others for their beliefs. He showed them, by the life he lived, how they too could come back to God.
Heck, even the 10 commandments does not say to worship ONLY the God of the Hebrews, it say “Thou shalt have no other gods BEFORE me”
November 27th, 20095:46 pm
The doctrines and faith of religion are discussed everywhere. The superstitions and myths are discussed and practiced in the churches.
November 27th, 20095:47 pm
Since @@ brought it up…
This morning’s headlines in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution announced that the Georgia Southern Baptist Convention adopted a policy that it would no longer accept donations from churches that had female pastors. Up to this time, it had been the policy of the entire Southern Baptist Convention to kick out churches, which had female ministers. Hundreds of former Southern Baptist congregations around the nation have either been excommunicated or voluntarily left the Southern Baptists over this issue. One of the most notable was the Plains First Baptist Church and its most famous member, Jimmy Carter.
The Georgia Southern Baptist policy was actually targeted at the 2700 member Decatur Baptist Church, one of the original members of the convention. (1862) All the other female led congregations have been already kicked out. The leaders of the Decatur church told the press that there has never been any communication between denominational leaders and their church on this matter. They find out what’s happening via the newspaper. Back stabbing and being sneaky, of course, was one of the principal teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
November 27th, 20095:49 pm
Sir ……… I am afraid you need to read the entire New Testament again. These are only a few of the passages on this subject.
Jesus told the Jewish religious leaders of his day ……….. “you are of your father the devil” because they did not believe in him.
“He that believeth in Me is not condemed but he that believeth not is condemned already ………”
“Except you believe in Me you are dead in your sins.”
“No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
November 27th, 20095:50 pm
I think Toe-Tappin-Andy is on to something with the cut-n-paste debate technique, I think I’ll have to do more.
Not old English, King James is Modern English–the word, though,was creature which I like since we are, in the words of the Good Book, “G-d’s noblest creature,” or at least we are supposed to be. As for the caveat against mockery, I do try and be especially cognizant of that, but it is not just G-d who is not to be mocked and I try, though not very successfully, not to mock man, G-d or G-d’s creation…
November 27th, 20095:51 pm
NOW, you’ve got your audience with Rightwing Troll. Take it up with them!
November 27th, 20095:53 pm
Rightwing Troll :
…………. and remember, Jesus is coming back to reign forever and ever as King (not queen). I hope that doesn’t give Christian women a problem ??
November 27th, 20095:54 pm
If the shoe fits wear it.
November 27th, 20095:57 pm
I was taught by my elders to respect the Christian belief that they are to “spread the word” and that I was to listen as it was a dictate of their faith and, if I wanted my beliefs to be respected, I had to show that respect myself. I do not slam the doors in the face of Mormons or J Witnesses. I do invite them in and I tell them I am secure in my own belief system and am willing to listen to them if they are willing to listen to me. I’ve had many an enlightening conversation with them well beyond the sectarian perameters.
November 27th, 20096:01 pm
NIF if you’re out there this one’s for you.
November 27th, 20096:03 pm
““God is not mocked.””
And I ask a version of a question I asked earlier: if God does not want to be “mocked” then why did he give his “greatest” creation the ability TO mock him?
November 27th, 20096:05 pm
“If the shoe fits wear it.”
K’chak??? Is that you?
Seriously, though, try to remember the words of the spiritual, “everybody talking ’bout heaven ain’t goin’ there.”
November 27th, 20096:06 pm
It’s call “free will”. If all you make is “robots” that’s not worship. God wanted people to have a choice.
…………… just as you do sir.
November 27th, 20096:07 pm
Changing the subject? You do that all the time. If that doesn’t work for ‘ya, you find some excuse to leave.
Have you been able to bring forth any evidence of my boxed in thinking? There’s plenty of evidence to the contrary in archives. Would you search it out? Nooooo!
But you will put forth the unsubstantiated claim that I am boxed for your delivery. I’m not gonna sit back and make it convenient for you to deliver.
BTW, it wasn’t me who brought up mockery…it was Bruno with a link he posted at 2:40. I just responded to his link.
Rightwing Troll is talking convention/leadership, I was talking congregate/individual support.
“Not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven …………….”
November 27th, 20096:08 pm
“I hope that doesn’t give Christian women a problem ??”
It does me…because it is completely and utterly at variance with the life that Jesus lived, and the precepts he laid out for people to live their lives. In the “patron/client” power system of the Mediterranean area in his time (and still to a great extent today) he lived a life completely in contrast to that power structure.
He refused to settle in one place and allow his followers to bring the people to him – the classic patron/client relationship. He wandered the roads and trails, he went TO the people and taught them. He resisted his followers desire to have him settle into the patron role they thought he should live.
I do not believe that he intended, or will, return as a King – the ultimate “patron” That would be a total betrayal of his life and teachings. I think those words were put in the Gospels after his life was over, by followers who simply COULD NOT, and WOULD NOT give up the power structure they knew best.
November 27th, 20096:11 pm
“God wanted people to have a choice. ”
And he also commanded them not to judge each other.
November 27th, 20096:14 pm
Sorry about your church but it is not like any church that I have attended. I am a member in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. . Please come join us. You are disillusioned or misinformed.
Jesus gave no commandment. He did give us the Golden Rule. That is:
You shall love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul, strength, mind and your neighbor as yourself.
Read it in the tenth chapter of Luke. Most rewarding advice in many ways and just about what josef said in his 5:50 post.
Now…off to warm the leftovers, best ever if I do say so..
November 27th, 20096:16 pm
Don’t try to throw this back on me. I leave sometimes? Well hell, everybody leaves the blog sometimes. Excuse me for doing it.
One has to go to any thread that you are privy too and chances are they will find something along the lines of “liberals think [insert here]” – you want to challenge that? You want to say you DON’T write that frequently along with how you think there is constant Christian bashing going on? Fine.
Live in your own denial.
Hillbilly– if you’re still here…remember the other day when we were talking about lyrics and what we THOUGHT we heard? Well piggy-backing on the preacher-teacher thread…first time I heard this I thought he said “I will be your Reese’s Pieces…
“He did give us the Golden Rule”
That sure isn’t the “Golden Rule” that *I* learned: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
November 27th, 20096:19 pm
K’chak??? Is that you?
Nope. Le petit caporal has done the name change thing again.
I did leave you a shoe related message here
November 27th, 20096:20 pm
May I chime in?
The earlier discussion on Christianity and people’s beliefs did not to appear as mockery in my personal opinion. I saw it as a intelligent discussion about the meanings and teachings of Christianity. Let me say that I did not read every post because work got busy, and when I got off work, Alabama was playing.
That said, why is it that no one broaches mockery when there is blatant mockery of Islam here? Is this not the country that espouses FREEDOM. And according to the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment:
“Congress shal make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof…”
Whenever Christianity is discussed, there’s a quick backlash about bashing, mockery, etc..
But when other Religions are outright bashed, not a peep from the “freedom” crowd. No matter how you try to spin it, if you want to protect your freedoms and call out people who mock you, you should also protect those who are mocked. After all, if you’re being mocked or bashed, you already know what it feels like. Why would you sit back and watch someone else go thru the same experience without raising even a slight protest?
November 27th, 20096:23 pm
……………. and you are also free to make up your own false Gospel.
November 27th, 20096:24 pm
Well, some of us do raise that question.
November 27th, 20096:25 pm
I’m simply amused by how you liberals? progressives? like to get in here and bash fundamentalists…. evangelicals….whatever, among yourselves. I’ve never understood why you feel the need to.
It’s like I’ve said on many occasions….nothing you say will alter my faith. It’s out of your reach. You can call me pious, fanatical, hypocritical. I’ll go on without your blessings.
November 27th, 20096:27 pm
Good for you. It’s good to see you won’t deny what I wrote earlier about your Christian bashing claims and “liberals think [insert here]” claims. Just a little much for you huh? At least you have an inkling of credibility left.
November 27th, 20096:28 pm
“and you are also free to make up your own false Gospel”
And you are not the judge of what is correct and what is not.
K’chak–not coming up here but was it the Freudian slippers? I want a pair of them! Not to worry, knew it wasn’t you, just somebody trying to steal your thunder!
November 27th, 20096:29 pm
The basic problem is stated below. Generational government dependents — multiple children and a single parent!!!!
By LINDSEY TANNER, The Associated Press, 3:30 p.m. Friday, November 27, 2009
CHICAGO — The estimate was startling, and made headlines around the country: Almost half of all U.S. kids will be on food stamps at some time during childhood.
How could it be true in the land of plenty, in the midst of an obesity epidemic, skeptics wondered.
You are also making up your own Gospel on “judging”.
Matthew 18:15-17 (Judging)
“Jesus said, moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
November 27th, 20096:30 pm
“And you are not the judge of what is correct and what is not.”
Well, he is according to his own beliefs…that just doesn’t mean he’s right!
November 27th, 20096:31 pm
Correct sir. That’s why I provide you with God’s word (not mine) via scripture. There are a lot of passages in the Bible that I don’t like but I don’t get to make the rules.
If you were to review some of my previous posts, I’ve taken the opportunity to acknowledge friends who follow the faith of Islam. Don’t find my friends beliefs to be radical in any way. Conservatives here never call me on the carpet for having done so.
November 27th, 20096:35 pm
If I am not mistaken, this is Jesus citing the Jewish law requiring these testifiers in a case of the accusation of “bearing false witness…”
November 27th, 20096:36 pm
“That’s why I provide you with God’s word (not mine) via scripture”
No, you provided me with the words that someone else SAID were the word’s of God. I am not a believer in the infallibility of the bible…just so you’ll know. There’s too much in there that is contradictory for it to be infallible.
November 27th, 20096:37 pm
At least you have an inkling of credibility left.
Where’s the evidence that my thinking is somehow boxed in? You’ve claimed it….now prove it! And why do you feel the need to bash?
With all that’s going on in the world, you pick fundamentalists as the issue you most like to discuss?
November 27th, 20096:38 pm
Before this gets too deep, or maybe to make it deeper…one of my overriding beliefs is that you should never question God, but you should ALWAYS question those who profess to speak FOR God.
November 27th, 20096:42 pm
“you pick fundamentalists as the issue you most like to discuss?”
Now you resort to lying.
I have been known to criticize fundamentalists. I dont’ like them. Now, will you please admit that you make blanket statements such as “liberals think [insert here]” and save the inkling of credibility you have left?
November 27th, 20096:45 pm
Now, will you please admit that you make blanket statements such as “liberals think [insert here]” and save the inkling of credibility you have left?
Good grief! When are you going to offer proof that my thinking comes boxed?
November 27th, 20096:47 pm
With all due respect and moving into the deeper end of the theological pool…if we do not question G-d, how will we get answers? Isn’t that the business G-d is in, offering answers?
I happen to believe that if God came to this earth (and I believe that He did in the person of Christ) that He was also big enough to make sure the “Word” He left behind is accurate. But as always …………. it’s your choice.
Maybe this will help ………………
November 27th, 20096:49 pm
Not to enter into yours and Bosch’s fracas, but I will be the first to say your thinking is not boxed. Neither is his. There’s something else at work here, I know not what, but then I’m still new around these parts…
November 27th, 20096:53 pm
Okay, so you deny that you don’t frequently make statements that involve the word “liberals think”? Change the subject or dodge – it makes no difference to me.
“if we do not question G-d, how will we get answers? Isn’t that the business G-d is in, offering answers?”
but the question, to me, is how often are we REALLY questioning God and how often are we actually questioning those who speak for God? It comes down to the quote you used early about being still and knowing God. There is very little I question about God and God’s “doing”…but there is a LOT that I question about how people explain and interpret those doings.
November 27th, 20096:54 pm
Gotcha! The Protestant Reformed Church…that puts the needed persepective on it…thank you.
November 27th, 20096:55 pm
“it’s your choice”
That’s right, I make use of my free will to question what I was taught to see if I think it matches up with what Jesus taught by the way he lived his life. Too often, it does not. And in that case, I search for a better explanation that what I was taught.
November 27th, 20096:56 pm
Nothing personal, but I get tired of people stepping in between Bosch and I. It makes it too easy for him to avoid his false claims against me. He’s gotten too many passes.
November 27th, 20096:57 pm
Doggone @ 6:53– I agree wholeheartedly with you there…if I wanted answers from man, I would ask man and, since G-d is personal, the answer H- gives me may not be the one H- gives you and vice-versa.
November 27th, 20096:59 pm
I’ll refrain in the future, then.
November 27th, 20097:00 pm
Can you list, for me, those liberals who have gained my favor. Not my vote, but my favor…and why?
Not liberals here on the blog. The pundits and politicians. Do you ever really read anything I type?
November 27th, 20097:01 pm
I wish you well in your search.
“the answer H- gives me may not be the one H- gives you and vice-versa”
Yes, indeed. God speaks to each of us individually, but it’s up to us to try to hear that voice. Not everyone can hear it, and not everyone can accept that the voice they hear is not the voice someone else hears.
Time for a break! I’m off for a while.
“I wish you well in your search.”
And I appreciate your well wishes.
November 27th, 20097:03 pm
Okay, so you deny that you don’t frequently make statements that involve the word “liberals think”?
You mean something like this?
November 27th, 20097:04 pm
“Can you list, for me, those liberals who have gained my favor. Not my vote, but my favor…and why?
Not liberals here on the blog. The pundits and politicians. Do you ever really read anything I type?”
AGAIN, dodge the question. Me getting passes? Please.
But AmVet called you on your boxed in thinking a few days ago:
“@@, you indict ONE man for ONE lapse of judgment with this blanket accusation:
“…dems pull this sorta stuff all the time.”
Now Richardson is guilty for ALL of the sins of ALL of the people you disapprove of. Or find hypocritical. Or whatever.
And in so doing you completely, totally ignore and discount a lifetime’s worth of work on behalf of LGBT justice.”
November 27th, 20097:05 pm
Doggone–a little sidelight here, but looking back over your posts, I know why I like you so much…you always put in phrases like “…to me…,” “…the way I see it…,” “…in my opinion…,” “…the way I learned it…” It makes discussion so much easier and so much more enjoyable…somebody raised you right!
Jesus, the Jesus talk has taken Friday night hostage.
The only REALLY worthwhile thing I’ve read tonight is:
“Whenever Christianity is discussed, there’s a quick backlash about bashing, mockery, etc..
But when other Religions are outright bashed, not a peep from the “freedom” crowd.”
That says it all.
Otherwise, like the old four corner basketball, b-o-o-o-ring, b-o-o-o-ring.
I will not be part of it.
Later Christians and heathens…
November 27th, 20097:06 pm
Oh, and here’s a good one @@,
“The Democratic party uses people to secure political power. Causes are nothing more than the blunt instruments they prefer.”
November 27th, 20097:09 pm
Well, I’ll say this much…I do remember who came to “my” defense when I wasn’t around during snicker-snicker day on the blog…
November 27th, 20097:10 pm
I don’t do emoticons. That was a response (in humor) to RW.
You’re still a turnip. Do you plan on remaining one forever?
August 17th, 2009
“Accidentally posted?” You are being kind Jay. She was so delighted about it she couldn’t shut up.
August 17th, 2009
There is no conflict with my assertions. She delightedly posted about the transaction without thinking about the consequences.
August 17th, 2009
Jay—forget it. Even if you were to post the one that I didn’t send, she still wouldn’t remember.
“The biggest religious discussions today are made in churches and I don’t believe many of you ever attend.”
As a long-time church attendee, I have to disagree with your assessment, Dusty. What I experienced in church would be more accurately described as listening to a lecture. Even in a Sunday School setting, one person typically takes on the role of a “teacher”, such that true back-and-forth conversation between equals never takes place. Over the years, I’ve gotten far more out of impromptu chats with “regular” folks, who can often enrich the discussion with facts from history, as happened this morning.
November 27th, 20097:11 pm
AmVET–well, since I couldn’t make it shul!
November 27th, 20097:12 pm
“Do you know what the age of accountability is for children under Islamic law? It’s 15 for boys…9 for girls. If a 9 year-old girl is caught stealing (something many of our kids do…candy…trinkets, etc.) four fingers are removed from her right hand. That’s for the first offense. Second offense? Her left foot is removed. Prison for the third, and death for the fourth.
The 9 year-old boy. He goes scott free. He only becomes accountable once he reaches the age of 15.”
I guess that applies to ALL Muslims?
November 27th, 20097:14 pm
Thank you for proving my point. Just sayin’.
November 27th, 20097:17 pm
Was telling you earlier in the week I had one for you tonight…I have no idea why I think of you when I hear it, but I do…
I’ll stand by ^^^ that one until my dying day. Too many causes left unaddressed. Too many promises unfulfilled.
Dangling carrots so that they can pummel the opposing party with their sticks.
Ralph Nader sought the backing of a loony group of Newmanites. A cult, if you will.
Bill Richardson made a disparaging comment while promoting the cause of those he disparaged?
I’ll hang with those too.
Sincerity is important to me.
November 27th, 20097:19 pm
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well as to everyone on this blog. God bless you and to all. May you all find happiness and peace throughout this wonderful holiday season and beyond.
November 27th, 20097:20 pm
“Yes, indeed. God speaks to each of us individually, but it’s up to us to try to hear that voice. Not everyone can hear it, and not everyone can accept that the voice they hear is not the voice someone else hears.”
You may be pleased to know that Science fully backs your understanding, Doggone. Ultimately, due to our limited powers of perception and our limited personal experiences in life, each of us ends up “knowing” a very small piece of the puzzle. Kind of like the 6 blind men and the elephant. As such, the “truth” we come to is unique to our perspective. I’ve found that embracing that fact alone has made my life much simpler.
November 27th, 20097:21 pm
Thank you for proving my point. Just sayin’.
Confessions are good for the soul. Am I to assume you have none you wanna make, on that topic at least?
I’m really not interested in any others you may be withholding.
In the words of the late Rev. Ron Long–”You can be sincere-ah, but you can be sincerely wrong.”
Oh and this is classic:
“I DO enjoy your posts re: perpetual racism within the Democratic party. It’s why I’ve distanced myself from them. I get frustrated when I see how they use minorities for their political advantage.”
November 27th, 20097:23 pm
“somebody raised you right!”
Thanks! And I value your good opinion. I do try not to speak as a voice for others…which, I’m sure you’ve also noticed, is why I object so strongly to someone else “speaking” for ME!
Even with a challenge to show boxed in thinking……….@@ keeps demonstrating it.
Nothing to back up claims. Carry on.
November 27th, 20097:24 pm
November 27th, 20097:25 pm
“Was telling you earlier in the week I had one for you tonight…I have no idea why I think of you when I hear it, but I do…”
Awesome, josef. Very uplifting. I’m much more morose.
November 27th, 20097:26 pm
The blind men and the elephant–one of the wisest parables of all time! I use it with my kids at school…amazing how quick they “get it…”
“I’ve found that embracing that fact alone has made my life much simpler”
Yes, for me too. And it applies to more than religion…even in things like science, no one person, not even one discipline has ALL the answers.
November 27th, 20097:29 pm
And as you know, I value yours. I’ll even change my jug-eared ways for you!
Bruno–you? Morose? Never! Introspective, yes, but not morose…
November 27th, 20097:35 pm
Bosch, @@ ^^^^^^^
November 27th, 20097:36 pm
Damn, Bosch. Wasn’t it you who said this was an opinion site. Those are my opinions of the Democratic Party.
Now….about your individual assessment of ME. Where’s the proof of my theological box?
In your frustration, you pull up a bunch of opinions I have as they pertain to the Democratic Party?
November 27th, 20097:37 pm
“Morose? Never! Introspective, yes, but not morose…”
It can be a fine line at times:
November 27th, 20097:41 pm
Is that your way of confessing you were sincerely wrong on the night in question?
Surely, you can do better than that.
November 27th, 20097:42 pm
“Damn, Bosch. Wasn’t it you who said this was an opinion site. Those are my opinions of the Democratic Party. ”
This wasn’t a challenge of your theological box, it was one of your boxed in thinking. Done. I never challenge a person’s theology.
November 27th, 20097:46 pm
And again, no denial about the “Christian bashing” claim. Pathetic, even for you.
November 27th, 20097:47 pm
When I think of the 80s, josef, this song always comes to mind:
November 27th, 20097:48 pm
Another one who knows how to walk that thin line…
November 27th, 20097:49 pm
Kamchak–At least join our Remember the 80s, will ya?
November 27th, 20097:55 pm
If you wanna talk ‘80, then this album can not be overlooked:
November 27th, 20097:56 pm
November 27th, 20097:57 pm
In this season of Thanksgiving:
God, I love the YouTube.
November 27th, 20097:58 pm
A text out of context is no text …………..
Paul was talking to fellow believers …….. members in the church ……. not discussions between believers and unbelievers.
BRUNO..me and the 80s, got two if it’ll let me post two…
saw them at Lakewood—one of the best concerts ever…even if was raining…watching the audience…some of everybody, in front of us was three generations of the same family…to the right a bag lady who was much the friend of those around for her proffering of protection from the elements…
November 27th, 20097:59 pm
Earlier in the evening you said you considered me a fundie because my thinking was somehow restricted….narrow-minded. When you talk about fundamentalists, it’s usually in the theological sense.
There’s proof to the contrary. Are ‘ya gonna go find it or just launch the claim.
I admitted that your bashing amuses me. I asked why you engaged in it. Your response was because I don’t like ‘em or something to that effect.
So are you refusing to look because it’s easier to label without offering proof? Or is it because you just don’t like me?
I can live with you not liking me. It’s your lack of evidence that leaves me coming back.
josef–Heading out for dinner. Let me leave you with a box of rain:
“It’s all a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago……”
November 27th, 20098:01 pm
“A text out of context is no text …………..”
In case you didn’t notice, it was fully intended to be taken out of context.
November 27th, 20098:02 pm
Ain’t YouTube grand?
And Tom Petty–another of my heroes…
November 27th, 20098:06 pm
Remember the 80’s? For God’s sake why?
OK–one of my faves
“Can’t pretend that growing older never hurts.”
I am only now beginning to appreciate that line.
Like ………. “lay hands suddenly on no man” ?
I never challenge a person’s theology.
No? You just ridicule it. Even I don’t do that without someone else having done it first.
I see it as an invitation to dance.
November 27th, 20098:08 pm
Don’t try to challenge me again. I posted your own words to demonstrate your boxed in thinking. Enough.
There in lies your biggest weakness. You THINK you know people. I never questioned your theological perspective. YOU took it to mean that, not me.
“When you talk about fundamentalists, it’s usually in the theological sense.”
Yes, but in your case tonight, I wasn’t. I question theology on a general scale, not on an individual basis. I never once questioned what you believe, nor will I ever. I take the high road on that. You believe what you want. I believe what I want.
I offered just a few of your posts which I consider demonstrate your boxed in thinking. I don’t know what you believe theologically, nor do I care, nor will I ever question it. That was not your original challenge.
I must admit, your challenges amuse me, one because they are so easy, and two you are so easily manipulated by YOUR OWN WORDS and you don’t even realize it!!! LOL!!!
November 27th, 20098:10 pm
Dance away bitch.
November 27th, 20098:13 pm
Yes, but in your case tonight, I wasn’t.
So it’s convenient, for the sake of your argument, to change boats in midstream. Only for you, Bosch….only for you.
Go sit by the wall. Maybe you can blend in with the paper.
Why the ’80s? Well, number one, we got through it intact! And number two, there was some really good music to take our minds off it…got my ’80s station on as we post….
November 27th, 20098:17 pm
The “B” word makes it past the censor? I’ll have to remember that….not that I’d ever use it.
November 27th, 20098:21 pm
Bruno’s gone, refero’s in the concordance, K’chak has joined the Bosch @@ set-to and I’m feeling all left out…are there any…
Yes, it makes it past the censor. Remember, use it, whatever, dance with it. Embrace it.
I’m not changing boats in midstream, I’ve done my part on keeping you on task. And considering you shift topics to avoid your own challenges – it’s tough.
November 27th, 20098:24 pm
And there was really bad music like this and this
Don’t feel left out – here’s another good 80s band – after U2, the best:
November 27th, 20098:28 pm
If you wanna go a little past the 80s into the early 90s, you get beauties like this:
November 27th, 20098:29 pm
You haven’t done anything but prove that you can’t or won’t back up your claims. It’s easier for you to say……
Ahoy, matey! Got room in that leaky boat for me? Mine’s got a hole in it!
Too funny, Bosch…..too funny!
Sail on! The wind comes out your ass-umptions.
“Employed with Planned Parenthood for eight years, Johnson, the 2008 employee of the year for Planned Parenthood’s southeast Texas region, says she was put under duress by her employer in August when her clinic was economically pressured to perform more abortions to raise profits. After recently being required to assist in an ultrasound-guided abortion procedure which she observed on screen, Johnson decided to resign.
Johnson says she changed her view about abortion after seeing the pre-born child–of 13 weeks–in the ultrasound curl away from the abortion instrument inserted to end his or her life. She has since accepted employment with the Brazos Valley Coalition for Life, a community-based Christian pro-life organization.”
November 27th, 20098:31 pm
LOL!! I gues to their mothers, that was considered music! Too funny…
November 27th, 20098:34 pm
And let us please forget New Kids on the Block
November 27th, 20098:36 pm
rq – can’t you guys ever post anything NEW? That was posted here AT LEAST 2 weeks ago, if not more, and several times since.
November 27th, 20098:37 pm
I have to give it to you…still showing up after I accepted your challenge and demonstrated your boxed in thinking……….schadenfreude – that’s what my grandmother called it. LOL!!!
But yeah, you’re right, it’s easier for me to say….it’s much easier for people to read and they can make their own decisions.
“Ass-umptions” Good one. You could just call me an “ass” and get it over with.
November 27th, 20098:39 pm
BOSCH @ 8:24
Will have to go with you on that when it comes to “serious…” Sandinista… was flying in to Managua one night, the lights had been turned out at the airport due to an attack earlier in the day…hit an air pocket while circling…talk about preparing to meet the M*ker…!
November 27th, 20098:41 pm
K’chak–have to agree, there was some really, really bad stuff, too!
Hey Doggone! What ‘cha wanna talk about?
November 27th, 20098:43 pm
More bad stuff
This is fun.
okay, what do we get for 601?
I must admit….I do enjoy watching you struggle to defend your indefensible claims against me.
You went to a lot of trouble, just failed to meet the assignment is all.
Your lazy that way.
November 27th, 20098:44 pm
BINGO! Nothing, nice topic!
@ 8:39 –
You got that from London Calling? Elaborate…..please, I’m all agog!
November 27th, 20098:46 pm
“Hey Doggone! What ‘cha wanna talk about?”
Well, I’m not as into music as ya’all are. At the moment, I’m listening to a show about the Grand Canyon Skywalk…very interesting!
November 27th, 20098:47 pm
Per your 6:31
I’m not trying to single you out. What I’m questioning is that there are many here who bring up the point that Jay allows Christian bashing. Yet some of these same posters use terms like “raghead” and “towelhead” with no problem. I think it’s hard to play the victim when you’re handing out exactly what you complain is being done to you.
I’m not saying it’s you personally. I have never seen you use derrogatory names towards any religion. However, it can be perceived as guilt by proxy if you see people doing something to others that you despise being done to you, and not speak out about that injustice. At least that’s how I see it.
I try to call things as I see them. I try my best not to launch personal attacks here or bash any institution out of spite. I think it’s wrong, no matter who’s the basher or bashee.
November 27th, 20098:49 pm
Repetition is mental mucillage ……… it sticks.
November 27th, 20098:50 pm
Excuse me …………. “mucilage”
November 27th, 20098:51 pm
Good God, you’re more annoying than my cat –
I demonstrated your boxed in thinking, in my opinion based on YOUR OWN WORDS, I never challenged your theological thinking box, and that’s it. Now, to keep on, is going to be on your own time. I’m done with your really pathetic attempts.
I left it up to the readers to decide for themselves. Watching your own schadenfreude does not amuse me.
November 27th, 20098:53 pm
“Repetition is mental mucillage ……… it sticks.”
Nope. Do it too often and all it does is numb the audience to the message, especially if your message is not one they subscribe to. Here’s something that, too, has been repeated here often: God is the greatest abortionist
November 27th, 20098:55 pm
I still think @@ is pretty cool.
November 27th, 20098:57 pm
Bad music from the 80s? I vote
Now wait a minute on Big Country–posted that to Bruno earlier….
London Calling to that?
Clash album Sandinista…came out at that time…
Let’s see –
President Obama’s Justice Department dropped a voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party, will try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) and four of his terrorist associates in downtown Manhattan, and now the Justice Department has concluded that the Obama administration can lawfully pay the community group Acorn for services provided under contracts signed before Congress banned the government from providing money to the group.
YUP, CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN !!!!!
November 27th, 20098:58 pm
I was checking out that show too. Almost makes me want to go out there to visit the site.
And I see the same thing coming from the other side. I’ll lead by example. If someone chooses not to follow, it’s no skin off “this fundie’s” nose.
I may agree with that person on other topics up for discussion. I’m not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
November 27th, 20099:01 pm
Change at 8:57 — you’re spot on…
November 27th, 20099:02 pm
Okay, time to come to Jay’s defense (even if I am still PO’d at his monitor)–I have NEVER known Jay to engage in Christian bashing…quite the opposite–I can’t say the same for his bloggers, but I have found Jay to be. if anything, solicitous of opinions on theological issues and possessed of some depth in his own estimations…
ABM–and, once again, Amen!
November 27th, 20099:03 pm
Well damn. I missed that album. See, you learn something new everyday. And here I was thinking I knew everything.
I left it up to the readers to decide for themselves
This reader was pretty sure Bosch had gotten his rear end kicked and the 8:10 sealed it. When you get them calling you names, especially vulgar names, you know they’re spent.
November 27th, 20099:04 pm
“Almost makes me want to go out there to visit the site.”
Me too…but I’m not sure I could actually walk out on it!
November 27th, 20099:05 pm
I can respect that, and yes I know those actions are done from both sides. I can’t answer for other’s actions here, but you won’t see that from me. It’s not in my DNA to treat others like that. I don’t want anyone disrespecting me or anything I do or believe in, so I give others the same courtesy. If I’m treated in what I perceive is less than a cordial manner, I respond in kind.
I know I should not stoop down to anyone’s level that I perceive is lower than mine. Sometimes, though, I feel that people need to get a taste of what they dish out so they know it feels to be treated in the same manner.
November 27th, 20099:06 pm
You know that she loves it. She has nothing.
November 27th, 20099:08 pm
I’ll repeat….all you’ve done is indicate that I have a political opinion on a political blog. You, yourself, have said it’s allowed. Based on your own argument, any political opinion you may have is boxed in thinking.
You’ve now gift wrapped yourself for future delivery by UPS (Ur Posts Suck).
BOSCH, K’CHAK and fellow winos…
Got a bottle of Yellowtail Shiraz working…nice!
I’ll do it if you do!! hehehe
There’s something about the height of that cliff that would cause me to need Depends.
November 27th, 20099:09 pm
Sorry about the Big Country—but it’s so annoying.
I hesitate to post this because much of their work was extremely empathic and speaks to almost all human emotion. I just find it annoying also.
November 27th, 20099:10 pm
And your thinking is boxed. As demonstrated by your own words. Deal.
November 27th, 20099:11 pm
I know there’s people who get their climaxes by poking fun at Obama. However, can you please post something original. I believe that was copied and pasted from an earlier page on this same thread. If you can’t come up with something original, please give it a little time before you recycle it, please…
November 27th, 20099:12 pm
As we folks from Mississippi say:
It’s worth going out of your way for…I THINK, and I may be wrong, it was their first…it was my introduction to them anyway
November 27th, 20099:15 pm
Until you start your pathetic whining, it is.
You’ve always been such a girl…
November 27th, 20099:16 pm
Pops Staple was one bad mutha……
But in reailty, if you don’t respect yourself, how can you show others respect?
November 27th, 20099:17 pm
“I feel that people need to get a taste of what they dish out so they know it feels to be treated in the same manner.”
Funny thing is, they seldom “get it” – they just come back later and accuse you of abusing them, or words to that effect.
November 27th, 20099:20 pm
“There’s something about the height of that cliff…”
Yep! I can look over an edge all day, if there’s a railing..but I can’t walk up to an unprotected edge and look over. I’m thinking I have the same problem with glass under my feet…it would be too much like walking up to an unprotected edge.
I hike the Rim Trail at Cloudland Canyon once, and spent the whole hike hugging the edge away from the rim as tightly as I could. Please note the “once” – it’s one trail I have NO desire to do again!
November 27th, 20099:21 pm
Boy won me over with this one…great song, great film…
S’okay on Big Country–the video (not the one I posted but the popular one) was cr*p and I never could figure out what it had to do with the song…I confess a weakness for that Irish “lilt…”
November 27th, 20099:24 pm
Staple Singers are one of my favorite all time groups…got to see ‘em a lot back home…never forgot where they came from…i like that…
November 27th, 20099:26 pm
You’d really hate those viewing platforms they installed in the Sears Tower then. They’re clear plexiglas or lexan enclosures that let you step outside the building up on the 103rd floor. You can look under your feet and see the ground below. Check out these pics.
November 27th, 20099:27 pm
“You’ve always been such a girl…”
OH, and always leave it to @@ for the best juvenile comeback of them all!!!!!!
YOU’RE SUCH A …………….GIRL!!!
November 27th, 20099:28 pm
I never got to see them perform live, but I’ve done my fair share of listening. That’s some of that good ole’ down home soul.
November 27th, 20099:29 pm
“You can look under your feet and see the ground below. Check out these pics”
I saw a show about those too! I find the technology interesting, but still can’t see myself ever going out on them. The ads for the series “Planet Earth” has a shot where they pointed the camera straight down from a plane, then flew over the edge of a really tall waterfall. I can’t watch it, it makes me queasy just thinking about it!
November 27th, 20099:30 pm
I have a riff to pick you with about the Big Country thing. I liked/like that song.
November 27th, 20099:32 pm
I caught myself holding my breath once or twice when they kept running the camera over the cliff when they were talking about the construction of the skywalk. I guess that’s something we have in common.
November 27th, 20099:36 pm
I confess a weakness for that Irish “lilt…”
Uh josef,Big Country was a band from Dunfermline, Scotland
My favorite CC song
November 27th, 20099:37 pm
?? It’s one of my faves…
So………how do we all feel about the Rolling Stones during the 80s? Tattoo You. Good? Bad? Discuss.
I thought – “ehh, it has it’s good dance moments.” But this is the best of the Stones:
November 27th, 20099:38 pm
“I caught myself holding my breath once or twice when they kept running the camera over the cliff”
That’s one reason I was listening to it, and not watching it. I’ve seen it a couple times before and I find that sometimes I hear things I missed the first time, if I listen the next time but don’t watch.
November 27th, 20099:39 pm
Oh, sorry – read the post wrong.
November 27th, 20099:41 pm
Good approach to watching something interesting. I’ll have to give it a try sometime.
Time to go close the eyes and wait for the alarm to go off. Good evening to all. See y’all in the am depending on how busy we get.
November 27th, 20099:43 pm
K’chak–did not know they were Scots…thanks for the information…I guess I should have just said Celtic…my bad….
I like your CC favorite, too…
November 27th, 20099:45 pm
ABM – have a nice sleep. I’m headed that way myself shortly. Going hiking tomorrow!
November 27th, 20099:48 pm
“Nope. Do it too often and all it does is numb the audience to the message, especially if your message is not one they subscribe to. Here’s something that, too, has been repeated here often: God is the greatest abortionist”
1) It took a lot of “repetition” to rid us of slavery.
2) Yes God is ………. but then that’s His decision unless you are putting yourself on equal terms.
November 27th, 20099:50 pm
I’m off to read my new book – pleasant Friday evening all!
November 27th, 20099:55 pm
“Yes God is ………. but then that’s His decision unless you are putting yourself on equal terms”
and how do YOU know that it isn’t God’s decision that a woman decide to end her pregnancy? No, I’m not putting myself on equal terms with God…but remember what I said about ALWAYS questioning those who profess to speak for God?
November 27th, 20099:57 pm
Getting time to turn in around here, too…had a good time today and got this office straightened out, too!
November 27th, 200910:00 pm
Enough of the bad 80’s songs.
This is a gem from the 80’s
November 27th, 200910:01 pm
1) That’s is a totally absurd position to suggest that every woman who ends her pregnancy is in God’s will. I know it’s not the baby’s decision. That’s what really matters.
2) And I don’t speak for God …… nor do you. His “Word” speaks for itself.
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
November 27th, 200910:02 pm
goodnight, Jim Bob
goodnight, Mary Ellen
goodnight, John Boy
November 27th, 200910:04 pm
“That’s is a totally absurd position to suggest that every woman who ends her pregnancy is in God’s will.”
Except that I didn’t say that. I said you DON’T KNOW if it’s God’s will or not.
Got it. EVERY conception is a prophet for God. God’s got some ODD prophets, I must say.
November 27th, 200910:13 pm
Sorry, gotta throw in these 2 bad 80’s songs after reading through Bosch’s exchange with @@.
kinda reminded me of Bosch:
he can dance:
November 27th, 200910:15 pm
and this is an 80’s blast from the past:
November 27th, 200910:17 pm
November 27th, 200910:59 pm
November 27th, 2009
OK, so I’m kinda wondering exactly what is so bad about “toe tappin.”
Would you like to explain it to us, Lord Help Us?
A parting call to one of the greatest and most whacked out cities in the world, may the liberals leave and find some other place to squat-
November 28th, 20097:05 am
A Housing and Urban Development Department lawyer asked the Justice Department whether the new law meant that pre-existing contracts with Acorn should be broken. And in a memorandum signed Oct. 23 and posted online this week, Mr. Barron said the government should continue to make payments to Acorn as required by such contracts.
“Contracts” for what?
November 28th, 20097:19 am
“OK, so I’m kinda wondering exactly what is so bad about “toe tappin.””
That is EXACTLY my point, I say live and let live…
November 28th, 20097:28 am
Well, it is kind of a public nuisance.
November 28th, 20097:54 am
I’m with Andy, we should stop paying ACORN immediately. I don’t even know what ACORN is, except a strawman for nut sacks…
November 28th, 20098:11 am
MR PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
November 28th, 20098:15 am
Good morning all. It’s Saturday and it’s time to attack the leaves again. Josef would say I’m doing G-ds work, but If I was really doing G-ds work, I’d be gluing them back on the trees.
I hope y’all are completly recovered from Thanksgiving fun. See ya later…
November 28th, 20098:34 am
BTW…My feelings for today…
November 28th, 20098:43 am
Well, I’m not suprized to see everybody bashing @@. It was bound to happen. She’s been striking out at Bookman and just about everybody else on this blog, kind of like a snake shedding its skin and half blind. What goes around comes around.
Anyhow, it’s nippy out there but not half bad and I ain’t going to waste a Saturday on this blog. Have a good weekend everybody. And Go Dawgs. So I won’t have to clean up another pile of UGA car flags on the road leading to the trailer park.
November 28th, 20098:57 am
I kinda thought @@ was going away for good. I seem to remember her saying something to that effect after she came on the blog and told us how all her black neighbors hated American soldiers, and after she praised and supported David Koresh and the branch davidian child molestors…
Oh wait, why would I expect a “conservative” to actually do what they say they’re gonna do???
November 28th, 20099:22 am
November 28th, 2009
That’s not nice!!!
November 28th, 20099:50 am
Ok, I apologize…
I should’ve said:
Oh wait, why would I expect a Republican to actually do what they say they’re gonna do???
I didn’t mean to insult real conservatives, not that there’s ever any here to actually see it.
November 28th, 20099:55 am
She’s been striking out at Bookman and just about everybody else on this blog, kind of like a snake shedding its skin and half blind.
I guess you’ve become so accustomed the the polecats, ferreting out conservatives, that you can’t smell ‘em anymore?
All my neighbors aren’t black. What would make you assume such a thing? My neighbor to the left is a white democrat. He was out there for Sgt. Beale’s funeral procession. My conservative black neighbor was out there, too.
The fact that my continued presence here bothers you is all the more reason to stay.
I had to come to terms with the reality, that maintaining a positive outlook on life in spite of liberal/progressive/democrats’ attacks here, was a burden I could gladly bear.
November 28th, 200910:15 am
Change Republican to Politician and I’ll agree with you.
November 28th, 200910:17 am
Amen Normal @ 10:15
November 28th, 200910:22 am
November 28th, 200910:24 am
It’s been one BUSY day here. Just now getting a chance to take a break and eat. Nothing worse than a hungry, grumpy brother that’s armed.
Good morning (I think)
Y’all can bash @@ all you want to and I may not always agree with her myself, but have said it before and will keep saying it: this is one liberal who remembers who stood up for me when I wasn’t around to do it on snicker-snicker day and I remember who participated with glee therein…
November 28th, 200910:27 am
Hey Doggone and ABM–enjoyed the exchange with y’all yesterday…
Normal–you turned tail and ran!
November 28th, 200910:30 am
“Nothing worse than a hungry, grumpy brother that’s armed”
I can think of one other, as I saw on a T-shirt: I have PMS and a gun. Any Questions?
November 28th, 200910:31 am
Josef…me too, and good ‘mornin’ to you too! I’m just about to set out on my hiking trip. Too pretty a day to sit inside, like I did yesterday!
November 28th, 200910:34 am
November 28th, 200910:36 am
Well, well, well.
Last night here was sure a bust by Friday night’s “special” standards, wasn’t it?
Endlessly feeding trolls about their mythology and deities and playing the WORST music of a decade, notorious for some of the lousiest music ever made, is neither interesting nor becoming, is it peeps?
And those guilty, will be beaten with wet sheet music.
The title says it all…
Off for another date with that damn leaf blower. (As Shatner noted in Has Been, is there anything more futile?)
November 28th, 200910:38 am
I wholeheartedly agree with you on @@. I can’t wait until we all grow up and bash the argument and opinions but not the person delivering them.
November 28th, 200910:42 am
In your opinion… since i participated in both, you can kiss my happy holiday tuchus!
K’chak–one of my favorite Christmas pieces…
November 28th, 200910:43 am
“but not the person delivering them”
It would be difficult to disagree with this…but I also can’t wait until some people grow up and realize that bashing their arguments and opinions is NOT bashing the person.
You have it all wrong, absolutely nothing that goes on here “bothers” me, except the holier than thou attitudes of those who feel they’re brand of dogma is the correct brand and trumps all others… and cut-n-paste politics, and “debates” where those engaged absolutely refuse to consider the viewpoint of those they are “debating” (that’s red-faced screaming, not debate), and “christians” who drop f bombs and call others POS… so I guess some things here do bother me… but I’m certainly not bothered by any individual here, I open my arms and embrace all those who will do the same of me, and I won’t ask anybody to pass a political litmus test to be my friend.
November 28th, 200910:45 am
Normal–you turned tail and ran!
I just retreated to fight another day…
November 28th, 200910:48 am
I can’t change it to that, that would be a reduntant statement, plus I was speaking of the followers of those politicians, not the politicians themselves.
Shouldn’t it be “we’re not retreating, we’re just advancing in a different direction”???
November 28th, 200910:51 am
80’s holiday music.
November 28th, 200910:52 am
I echo your sentiments regarding yesterday’s exchange. You and Doggone set off in the right direction. A respectful account of His story.
Where it left the rails, is when “others” began to assume they knew what we, Christians, pray for. In my congregation, it’s not money or self gratification. It’s for God’s guidance in our daily lives….that His sacrifice will be strengthened through our own. It’s for the comfort of His counsel in the event that His will doesn’t coincide with ours or that of others.
When Bruno came in to say that being awakened by the power of love (prayer) was what he called being horney was, well…..tasteless and uncalled for. Different strokes for different folks, I ’spose, but that’s what I call strokin’ your own.
josef, (in my best Wizard of Oz voice) “Child, you cut me to the quick! I’m an old Kansas man myself, born and bred – in the heart of the western wilderness…”!
And your impertinence will NOT avail you from the aforementioned beating! But as you one of the good guys here, perhaps I’ll just use a wet noodle instead…
For my pending trip to La La Land next week…
I’d like to shake the hand of whoever here wrote that they love the trees, just not the leaves…
November 28th, 200910:54 am
Valid point. I think that’s the cause of most of the friction. There is a difference in bashing the message vs bashing the person. I’ve seen varied cases of both, and I believe that some of the conflict here comes from the inability to discern between the two.
I don’t understand the thought process behind the cut-n-paste thing. When I choose to express my opinion, I want it to be my words and not someone elses. That’s just me, and I can’t speak for others here. To use cnp’s as evidence or facts for coming to an opinion is a valid use, but to just use someone else words as your opinion is pretty close to plagarism in my book.
I started last p.m. to defend @@ and was told, quite respectfully I might add–to back off, she’d do it herself! Well, she was there to do it, so I bowed out.
I never cease to be amazed at some of what I read here. You’ll get a Christian (or faith in general) bashers starting off with what might be a legitimate criticism of dogamatic/doctrinaire perspective and then take off on a tyrade worthy of any fire and brimstone fundamentalist revivalist, every bit as dogmatic/doctrinaire as they come…
The other day they took off on the Fox-Sesame Street bru-ha and, quite frankly, I joined in. Well, now comes the rather heartening Sesame Street-O’Reilly kiss and make-up and nary a peep…
November 28th, 200910:59 am
Call me crazy(…and you’d be right), but I have had this musical and this song especially, running through my “Normal” brain all weekend.
…SOOO, I thought I’d get out of my brain and into yours. It’s thoroughly modern…
Fox & Sesame Street??!!
What did I miss there?
November 28th, 200911:05 am
November 28th, 200911:07 am
November 28th, 200911:09 am
I’ve got TOO much time on my hands!
November 28th, 200911:12 am
Tap, tap, tap tap, do the tapioca, slap, slap slap, slap, do the slapioca…I like that musical…
November 28th, 200911:13 am
Back to G-d’s work…tap dancin’ through the leaves.haha
November 28th, 200911:14 am
Here you go, josef
November 28th, 200911:19 am
I had not heard about that. I’ll have to check out the video when I get home. No video access at work.
November 28th, 200911:24 am
Ladies and gentlemen:
Here is your don’t do drugs message for the day:
November 28th, 200911:29 am
I could have gone all day without reading that.
And a great buy for adventurous beer drinkers here:
November 28th, 200911:32 am
To get your mind off that story, check out these tattoos. This guy’s tattoos are breasts, but you gotta see them to believe them. I know I have seen everything now:
November 28th, 200911:57 am
U.S. Still Running Secret Prison in Afghanistan
November 28th, 200912:02 pm
TEHRAN, Iran — A conservative Iranian legislator warned Saturday that his country may pull out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty after a U.N. resolution censuring Tehran — a move that could seriously undermine world attempts to prevent Iran from developing atomic weapons.
November 28th, 200912:13 pm
I’m having a hard time following your “logic”, don’t you, of the Chairborne 101st, want Iran to engage in provocative actions so soldiers can be sent off to die?
Or Israel to attack Iran and set off armaggedon so you can meet Jesus?
So what would’ve McCain/Palin done to your satisfaction to handle this?
November 28th, 200912:55 pm
“When Bruno came in to say that being awakened by the power of love (prayer) was what he called being horney was, well…..tasteless and uncalled for.”
@@–Pardon me, but I didn’t interpret the original statement by GreenJeans “But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night” to be a religious allegory for prayer in my initial read-through. If that was his intent, I apologize for any off-color joke regarding that.
I’m not sure if you are including me in the group of “Christian-bashers” here, but if you do so, you’re off-base. My beef with you is simply that you wear your faith like a badge. And by unnecessarily calling attention to your faith in contexts where it really shouldn’t matter (e.g. politics), I feel that you unnecessarily create an us/them karma. In the end, we all have faith, whether we label it or not, whether we choose to publicly discuss it or not. As such, I think we’re all in the same boat in that regard, so feel no need to categorize myself or others thereby creating an us/them.
Some final, unsolicited advice for you: If sincerity and piety are important to you, hanging out on a political blog where people use fake names may not be the best choice for you.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 28th, 20091:11 pm
An admirer of the former vice president filed papers today in Washington for a committee with a goal of getting Cheney to run for president in 2012.-Chicago Tribune
Now Lord Help Us can start talking about dick, it’s favorite subject.
November 28th, 20091:20 pm
Cheney/Palin 2010!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE … yes!!!!
November 28th, 20091:21 pm
Sorry, should’ve been 2012, I got carried away in my zeal…
November 28th, 20091:36 pm
I had too much fun dissing the 80’s last pm, so I gotta make up for it. This number from 1989 I’ll repost from a previous Friday simply because it’s Damita Jo.
November 28th, 20091:42 pm
“playing the WORST music of a decade, notorious for some of the lousiest music ever made”
“I had too much fun dissing the 80’s last pm”
In case you guys didn’t notice, the 80s video I selected was actually a parody video.
“so I gotta make up for it.”
Picking a Janet Jackson video only put you further in the hole, Kam.
November 28th, 20091:45 pm
Friday night music awards:
Best in Show–Bosch, for the Rolling Stones and Tom Petty selections.
Honorable Mention–Reporter, for the Chicago selection.
Banned from future competition: Kamchak and j$.
November 28th, 20091:49 pm
Here’s a killer tune from the 80s.
But make no mistake about it, these guys, the creme de la creme of Dutch rockers, learned their chops in the 60s and 70s…
Hey now! That post was serious.
I can’t understand
if you’re not a fan.
November 28th, 20091:59 pm
More 80s music for you Euro-weenie haters.
Another monster, but again, these cats were straight out a__kickers from the 70s. The guitar, vocals and drums in this piece are all fantastic.
November 28th, 20092:21 pm
Yes boys and girls, when posting any musical choices here please be advised that you are first supposed to get the approval of Brunskell and Ambert.
November 28th, 20092:25 pm
I’m the eternal optimist: Georgia will win.
Still 80s music? That was my decade and all, but that decade was not the brightest in the music business.
November 28th, 20092:26 pm
Golden Earring is the 80s? I thought that was late 70s, but it’s a good one. That decade makes it hard to pull out good ones.
November 28th, 20092:27 pm
My view on leaf raking:
If God didn’t want the leaves on the ground, He wouldn’t have put them there. Who am I to interfere with His plan?
November 28th, 20092:28 pm
Do as I do and treat them as mulch.
Our pandering congressmen rarely cut. They just spend. Even as the deficit grows, they vomit up our money onto new pet “green” projects, bailouts for irresponsible industries, gifts for special interests and guarantees to everyone.-RCP
Don’t forget ACORN, ew.
November 28th, 20092:29 pm
I mean when you had bands that looked like this:
it’s hard to argue that the 80s was a bad decade all the way around.
November 28th, 20092:30 pm
“I’m the eternal optimist: Georgia will win.”
Someone wrote a funny letter to the editor a while back about how his GF always looked on the bright side of things. He said “Ten minutes after the tree crashed through our roof, nearly killing us as we lay in bed, she began commenting on how nice the fresh pine scent was.”
November 28th, 20092:32 pm
“He said “Ten minutes after the tree crashed through our roof, nearly killing us as we lay in bed, she began commenting on how nice the fresh pine scent was.””
That’s just not a nice thing to say to me!!
Golden Earring had a huge hit in 1973 and another in 1982 so even though they recorded a ton of music they could almost be considered a one hit wonder band that pulled it off twice.
November 28th, 20092:33 pm
November 28th, 20092:34 pm
So if you average out Golden Earring, it’s late 70s. Yeah, that’s what I was doing. I think they were a two hit wonder here in the US, but in the Netherlands, they were a pretty big thing.
November 28th, 20092:35 pm
Bosch, Bruno (I believe) mentioned that for him music was pretty much a done deal by 1995.
He’s a much better man than I.
By 1979 I was so disillusioned with rock that for nearly the entire next decade I only listened to and bought classical music. The added benefit was when traveling through the hinterlands of America, rather than being relegated to that gawd awful country crap only I could usually find an NPR station.
No, RW, that’s kind, but not necessary. Just trying to keep it special for ya, that’s all…
Yet another great eponymous debut record…
November 28th, 20092:36 pm
“It is telling that this administration continues to look for every excuse possible to circumvent the intent of Congress,” Issa said in a statement. “Taxpayers should not have to continue subsidizing a criminal enterprise that helped Barack Obama get elected president. The politicization of the Justice Department to payback one of the president’s political allies is shameful and amounts to nothing more than old-fashioned cronyism.”-Boston.com
November 28th, 20092:40 pm
Dan Hartman wrote this and sang lead when he was in Edgar’s band.
November 28th, 20092:41 pm
“By 1979 I was so disillusioned with rock”
Pre-1979 is ok by me, Am. The 80s really didn’t do it for me other than a few new releases by some old standbys, like Neil Young.
Here’s a light little number from the 70s by B W Stevenson that has always stuck with me through the years.
“I’m a lonely dreamer in a highway in the sly….”
November 28th, 20092:44 pm
My Wake Forest pick is doing well so far. Later I’ve got Florida State (+25 1/2), GT (-7 1/2) and Miami (-4 1/2).
Is ABM bragging about that Alabama win?
November 28th, 20092:45 pm
How many of you know this one?
November 28th, 20092:47 pm
Bruno @ 2:41
That original was so much better than the Brooks and Dunn remake. I do think Ronnie Dunn has a great voice though.
November 28th, 20092:49 pm
Nice Les Dudek number, HD.
November 28th, 20092:51 pm
My theme for today is overlooked talent.
November 28th, 20092:52 pm
I was gonna post that FOS last night on my “worst of” list, but figured like Milli Vanilli, it was very low hanging fruit.
One night in Bangkok. I always liked this one.
November 28th, 20092:53 pm
Women folk sure do get testy when you start goofing off before finishing your errands…..
November 28th, 20092:54 pm
“My theme for today is overlooked talent.”
DM was never overlooked by me, HD. Great call.
November 28th, 20092:55 pm
“Women folk sure do get testy when you start goofing off before finishing your errands…..”
One more reason I prefer bachelorhood.
November 28th, 20092:56 pm
HD, one of my favorite LPs ever, and like numerous others I can think of, the big hit might just be the weakest song on the entire record…
Another gem from TOCOAN and that wild albino Oklahoman and MY kind of jingle jangle “country” music.
November 28th, 20092:57 pm
DM was never overlooked by me, HD
But unfortunately, he was overlooked by the masses.
A Canadian band that was on Capricorn Records for a little while.
November 28th, 20093:02 pm
In my view, “They Only Come Out At Night” has no weak tracks.
This one from a band down Louisiana way. Love the harmonies.
November 28th, 20093:03 pm
And at the other end of the spectrum, at 24,608,356 views:
November 28th, 20093:04 pm
Yeah HD, a great little Dudek tune that reminds me of Boz Scaggs.
The piano work on that Mason piece reminds me of Greg Allman’s. And the harmonica? Stevie Wonder, of course. VERY nice deep cut.
I saw him a few years ago at Piedmont Park for free. The next night was Bonnie Bramlett, again for free. Damn what a double header.
November 28th, 20093:07 pm
From the 80’s, I like the pumping bass line in this and damn the guy could shred a vocal.
November 28th, 20093:12 pm
This band is well known but Jimmy McCullough, this one’s writer, singer, and lead guitar was not as well known.
November 28th, 20093:14 pm
You’re right, calling Frankenstein weak is pretty outrageous!
HD, one of my favorite cajuns…
November 28th, 20093:23 pm
Another good one:
November 28th, 20093:34 pm
From the country side:
This guy had record company problems and I don’t think this song ever actually got released. Should of been a big hit though and he should be a star. Music starts about 0:49
November 28th, 20093:44 pm
This band had lots of huge hits. Some I liked; Some I hated. This one I liked.
November 28th, 20093:48 pm
My favorite song by The Who. A good live version of a song with complex instrumentation.
November 28th, 20094:08 pm
Good throwdown, HD!
November 28th, 20094:40 pm
Bruno, a word of advice; in this day of the totally out of touch, decadent and arrogrant politicians in Washington you can’t find anything to critisize but religion then you are wiling away your hours on this earth in vain. Unless politics IS your religion, which seems to be the case for many here (and I pity them for that), we can always change the political scenery. But you cannot change the religious beliefs of those that wish to follow one religious doctrine or another. It is their right and it is personnal and it is ingrained in their histories. History shows that even when very powerful governments have tried to stamp out their peoples religious beliefs the faithful have endured and carried on. Religion is not something to be taken lightly and it certainly is not always a positive influence on society as, inevitably, there are those that will use it for their own greedy interests. Realizing the succeptibility that religion has for abuse by those that are willing to use it, I am not even that religious a person myself but I do believe in a higher power (God) and that is about the extent of my involvement. I try to do no harm to people and my belief is that you can worship in the middle of a pasture just as well as you can in some giant, multi-million dollar building or cathedral. The politicans, however, are fair game for all of us.
November 28th, 20094:47 pm
I’ll take the love, companionship and occasional prodding of the love of my life anytime over that alternative.
November 28th, 20094:48 pm
It might be aa full 20 years too late but Bud Selig says he’s stepping down as baseball Commissioner after 2012.
November 28th, 20095:03 pm
I was figuring Tiger Wood’s old lady might a prime target for a charm offense, she of the cute blond smile and couple hunnerd million dollar divorce settlement, but then I seen what she did to the Slade, the it was like f her.
November 28th, 20095:08 pm
Anybody believe Mrs. Woods really just heard the accident and came running to the rescue with a golf club? I bet it’s more like she was already chasing his butt down the driveway swinging that club.
November 28th, 20095:10 pm
Did you guys ever do anything besides listen to music when you were growing up? Did you ever do those dull things like eating and sleeping? Amazing. I never knew the American male was absolutely awash in music of sorts.(I’m being nice here about the music.)
Well, I have to admit I have heard a bit of JImi Hendrix and Ricky Skaggs and a few others around the house.. That was between the motorcycles, the trail bikes, the rifle range and my daughter’s piano playing.. Then the pesky universities! But the merry mob here seems to have moved on except for the motorcycles (still one around). I think they found out that making money was more interesting. Ahh..lovely children they are!
But I will join the music crowd. Since Bookman is goofin’ off and leaving us adrift in a perpetual post-a-thon, let me start with a fine classical Christmas song. Since I am lazy, would someone play it for me? How about THE CHIPMUNKS CHRISTMAS SONG? Everybody ready???
November 28th, 20095:16 pm
Why sure Dusty.
November 28th, 20095:25 pm
And even when the slaughter had happened, much of the media found it easier to slander both the U.S. military and the general populace than to confront the evidence. The Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano professed to be most worried about an “anti-Muslim backlash” from the knuckledragging bozo citizenry she has the forlorn task of attempting to hold in check. This is the Jennifer Lynch argument: the priority is always some hypothetical atrocity waiting to happen, no matter how many times we ace that test: there was no “anti-Muslim backlash” after 3,000 corpses on Sept. 11, or after Bali, Madrid or London. Muslims have certainly been murdered in New York and London but by their co-religionists on 9/11 and 7/7 rather than by any “Islamophobes.”-Mark Steyn
Don’t worry, pinko nation, you’ll get the backlash you are looking for.
At the voting booth in 2010, that is.
Thanks, RW. That was lovely. Alvin was not a bit flat. Let me go play it again.
November 28th, 20096:06 pm
Feel free to ignore my posts.
November 28th, 20097:06 pm
Well, Hillbilly Deluxe,
I wouldn’t want to ignore your posts. Your stories of the mountains and North Georgia are the best. Not to mention your wide knowledge of the Civil War. Always interesting.
Don’t worry about the music here,. I usually read though the blog in a hurry and don’t bother much with most of the links. In fact I play the piano and can play Happy Birthday with the best of ‘em. Always handy when someone says “Can anyone play Happy Birthday?”. If necessary, Chopsticks makes a good encore. So you see, I am not a total dud in music. Un huh.. Just have my “druthers”, I guess.
November 28th, 20098:01 pm
Bookman- You always like to say that you support the troops, so I ask, why the silence about the charges against the 4 Navy Seals for giving a bloody lip to a killer of Americans during his capture?
Which side do you give the benefit of the doubt to?
November 28th, 20098:24 pm
“why the silence”
What part of “I’m on VACATION” don’t you bother to understand?
November 28th, 20098:33 pm
November 28th, 20098:41 pm
November 28th, 20098:43 pm
While on vacation, and, coincidentally the same amount of time since those troops were charged, Bookman has posted a full length column and three blog subjects.
November 28th, 20098:50 pm
November 28th, 20098:51 pm
Translation: I haven’t bothered to understand at all
November 28th, 20098:54 pm
Hey Doggone, hey Kamchak, Hey whiner…
Has it been this quiet all day…?
November 28th, 20098:56 pm
Shhh….Andre Bocelli is singing…….ahhhhh
November 28th, 20098:57 pm
November 28th, 20098:58 pm
Oh great, Bookman has retired and left duhgone to field questions for the blog, whew, will we be able to withstand the excitement?
November 28th, 20098:59 pm
Wonder if everybody else had my kind of day…a bunch of taking care of stuff left hanging for the holidays…dull as dishwater…
November 28th, 20099:01 pm
well, we can always count on you and me to be here, eh? So, how many peasants did you bag?
Hey, duhgone, since you are the new blog spokesperson, how about the backyard thermometer, does it not rule over the “scientific” experts or what?
November 28th, 20099:05 pm
yosef- I didn’t shoot any common folk but if you were referring to birds, I missed my first two shots and then knocked out five in a row.
Taking my gloves off and letting my hands freeze made all the difference.
November 28th, 20099:06 pm
Since getting off work, I’ve gone from napping to shopping then to decorating a tree. Now I’m taking my tired arse to bed. Gotta do it all over again starting at 3. Feels like the movie “Groundhog Day”.
November 28th, 20099:07 pm
November 28th, 20099:11 pm
“Has it been this quiet all day…?”
Heck yeah! I’ve been gone all day and it quieted right down!
November 28th, 20099:12 pm
Tech needs to man up.
November 28th, 20099:13 pm
whiner–oh, so you went bird huntin’, too? Seriously, though, glad you did well…it was cold here, too, all the way down to the 30s…
ABM–I guess I need to get down to the basment and unpack the wreaths and stuff for the verandah railing…don’t do a tree since the kids left home…do do outside though, the neighborhood is much into that…get a good night’s rest…
Unmentionable is tuned in to Bocelli…
November 28th, 20099:17 pm
I see a “G” symbol as a sign of stupidity. It used to be solely attributable to the Packers but has vastly expanded itself since I’ve been in the South.
November 28th, 20099:18 pm
RW–pulled me up a new screen to keep listening while posting a thank you! My all time favorite Pink Floyd and that’s saying a LOT. Pretty much the way I’m feeling today, too…
See? You’re back and things have picked up…
November 28th, 20099:20 pm
yosef- You do not even know the half of it. There is nothing to stop the wind in the flatlands of Illinois. Add to that a steady drizzle that was blowing sideways with undoctored temperatures of 30 degrees, it was absolutely brutal.
I loved every minute of it.
“You’re back and things have picked up…”
Guess I’ve got the magic touch…tonight anyway! I did a 1.2 mile hike (2.4 out and back) and I am whacked! It just didn’t seem that hard, but it did me in. Think I’ll take the day off tomorrow!
November 28th, 20099:21 pm
It depends on where that “G” is located. If it’s centered between a compass and square, I’d beg to differ with the stupidity remark. Otherwise, you’re probably right.
So, how was the hike? Took a bit of one myself, but it was just up the block to the store and back, then down to the PO, did make sure I cut through the park, though, so I could at least see something besides buildings and hear something besides traffic…
November 28th, 20099:24 pm
Doggone–what’s this sissy 1.2? Seriously, though, I can still do a 30 mi one…my cardiologist just shakes his head, considering how I’m supposed to be dead!
November 28th, 20099:25 pm
“So, how was the hike?”
I enjoyed it, even though it wore me out. I’ve been so proud of myself, have done 12 miles hiking since last Saturday…a record for me. But I got just a bit deflated when I met a guy in the gap at the end of today’s hike who did 18 miles TODAY!
November 28th, 20099:26 pm
If you scroll back a ways you’ll find a double whammy at work. Bruno placed some filthy lucre on Tech and Bosch sprinkled pixie dust on UGA.
whiner…back when I was younger I used to really enjoy being out in the elements like you’re talking about…30 degrees was “brisk,” now anything below 50 is arctic!
November 28th, 20099:28 pm
“Doggone–what’s this sissy 1.2?”
It does depend on the 1.2! But this one shouldn’t have got to me like that, but it did. It was all up hill, from the valley to the gap and then back. Took me an hour to go up, 45 minutes to come back down. In my defense though, I did do 3 miles in 90 minutes last Wed!
November 28th, 20099:29 pm
I’ve tried linking music with an instruction to make it open in a new window, but Jay B’s rule setter, the evil twin of the moderator, won’t let them work.
November 28th, 20099:31 pm
RW–BINGO! You’re back….801!
Hiking–I can’t for the life of me understand folks jogging…shakes the liver out of place, no time to enjoy what’s around you and left out of breath and stinking and, really, does not give you nearly the “work out.”
November 28th, 20099:35 pm
Josef…I agree about the jogging, never could get into it…even when I was younger and thinner. I’ve always been a hiker, but it’s harder than it used to be. I’ve got fibromyalgia, not bad, but it makes my muscles stiff and I think that’s why all the hiking I did this week finally got to me.
I did 5 pretty easy miles a week ago and wasn’t anywhere NEAR as whacked as I am today.
November 28th, 20099:39 pm
RW–thass awright…I can get ’round hit, too…still got a bone to pick with Jaybird when he gets his tacky b*tt back!
Doggone–I try to pace myself at between 3-5 mph, depending on the terrain. One of my life’s goals was to hike the Pan American at least as far as Costa Rica. Have a neighbor who hiked all the way to Patagonia…man is absolutely amazing. He’s in his 60s now and spent his summer hiking the
Himalayas and then hiked through, ready for this, Pakistan and Afghanistan! Kept us posted on e-mail…the longest I’ve ever done was the Natchez Trace…took my time and it was a summer adventure…
November 28th, 20099:43 pm
Hanging Christmas ornaments sounds really EXCITING after my day. I cleaned out a closet !! Wow!! From whence did all that stuff come???? Now take that red quilted pocketbook with the big gold chain, would I ever stoop that low while shopping?? Could be. There it is. A red herring arising!! Maybe someone put it there while I was gone?? Yeah!! (Don’t tell. A member of my family gave it to me.)
Maybe it will find a true love at GoodWill. Mrs. Santa Claus maybe?? And the purple gift skirt so generously given? Off with you, I say. I’m cleaning closet without mercy.
To top it off, I ate MORE turkey and dressing. But eureka. That bird has gone. Now for the ham. I’ll let you know tomorrow if that is gone. As Andy said” Will we be able to stand the excitement?”
Anybody for an argument?
November 28th, 20099:46 pm
The guy that awes me is the one who did the “Triple Crown” of USA hikes in one year – the Appalachian Trail, the Continental Divide Trail, and the Pacific Crest Trail. He flipped from one to the other to get them all done. but in ONE year? That’s 7400 miles!
Dawgs will defeat tech.
November 28th, 20099:52 pm
I put the home office to order yesterday while posting…Oy! The stuff I uncovered…I don’t even want to think about that basement…Unmentionable says he’s taking it on. We’ll see. The life of a school teacher, You never know when you’re going to need that…nevermind THAT is in the bottom of the fifth crate behind the sixth pile of sh*t and you haven’t touched any of it in the last five years…I swear it looks like one of those places they do news stories about…
An argument? With you? I don’t think I would know how…now if we can get the Bookburner or Goebbel’s little brother in here…
RW–BINGO! You’re back….801
I’m just glad I was able to maintain the tradition of having a top of the page post that made virtually no sense to any current topic.
November 28th, 20099:55 pm
I humped the Manchu 100, from Fort Ord to Hunter Liggett, with 120 lbs. on my back. At the end of this monster was the Wizard, a hill that went straight up for over two miles. I saw men pass out, men rip their britches off because they were chafing their upper thighs, I saw men in tears, blisters welled out all over their feet. I never stopped. But I swore to God that I would never hike another mile if I made it.
I have yet to let my Lord down.
What’s the matter with you people? Hiking and running around in thirty degree weather shooting and shouting.
If our Maker wanted you to do that, he would have never invented recliners..
November 28th, 20099:58 pm
j$- You might be on to something here.
Now if they can play some defense.
November 28th, 20099:59 pm
“Hiking and running around in thirty degree weather”
30? Where ARE you? It was nearly 65 today, and that was up in the mountains!
November 28th, 200910:00 pm
That’s a bit much for me! I’ve done some on the Appalachian. One of my co-workers who retired last year is planning to do it start-to-finish this coming year. I almost did the Sherman’s March back a few years and am still considering it for the 150th anniversary. We’re also giving some thought to doing the Trail of Tears one…but as Unmentionable says, “my folks went by boat…you can walk if you want to, white boy…”
November 28th, 200910:02 pm
Now that’s the way to answer a 76 yard TD I tell ya.
November 28th, 200910:03 pm
Uh, j$, never mind.
November 28th, 200910:06 pm
My oldest son was stationed at Fort Ord at one time. He did not mention the hills but did not seem to enjoy sitting in the middle of the Mohave Desert several days shooting off some kind of big “thing” now and then. Got a little warm there.
November 28th, 200910:08 pm
Doggone–whiner’s up in Yankeeland taking shots at the common classes!
“If our Maker wanted you to do that, he would have never invented recliners..”
Tried to get Unmentionable to take a short hike the other day, “Let’s,,,” He says, “Let’s not and lie and say we did.” He wouldn’t walk two blocks to Publix, but he’ll go spend half a day swimming back and forth, back and forth, and call it fun…oh, well, he DOES still have that swimmer’s body, so who am I to compalain…
November 28th, 200910:10 pm
I’ve done some on the Appalachian.
Did you see Mark Sanford?
November 28th, 200910:13 pm
I was referring to Andy with the thirty degrees out hunting po’ lil’ birds. I included you for the hiking
How in the world could you travel the Trail of Tears in a boat? Or you sure he didn’t say Delta?
November 28th, 200910:15 pm
K’chak…nah, but I hear he was spotted headed down the Pan American toward Ushuaia!
BTW–if you go glacier hiking, I don’t care if the air temperature IS in the 70s, wear long pants…jus’ sayin’…
Mark Sanford hikes in Argentina.
November 28th, 200910:19 pm
Several of the transports were by boat down the Tennessee, to the Ohio, down the Mississippi to the Arkansas and then up to Ft. Smith…that was in the Cherokee…the Choctaw, who were the first and the ones who first called it the Trail of Tears, were taken by land to Memphis or Vicksburg where several transports were by the Arkansas…the better off often arranged their own transport and it was almost always by boat…
November 28th, 200910:22 pm
“Hikes?”–Is that a euphemism?
November 28th, 200910:27 pm
Do you have a BURNING desire to follow Sherman’s Fire Training & Scorched Earth March? Please gather evidence for the War Crimes Committtee since it seems to have slipped their mind.
November 28th, 200910:28 pm
““Hikes?”–Is that a euphemism?”
November 28th, 200910:31 pm
There is a group which has documented the event under the criteria set down at Nurnberg as both war crimes and crimes against humanity…
November 28th, 200910:37 pm
DADT ain’t got nuttin’ to do with a caliente Latin American chica. Just sayin’.
A few years back there was a news story about “vandals” who broke into the Sherman museum and all they took was the silver. The curator was not particularly impressed when I called to tell them that they could at least count their blessings it wasn’t torched, that is until I told her I was calling from Atlanta. Give her her credit, she saw the humor in it and said. “oh,well that’s different…”
November 28th, 200910:38 pm
What did the group do with their documentation on Sherman’s March? I hadn’t heard about them.
November 28th, 200910:41 pm
Oh, they just passed it around for those who have a memory longer than yesterday. I’ll have to see if I can find it and refer you to it…it didn’t surface in yesterday’s archaeological dig! I do have it here somewhere…
November 28th, 200910:46 pm
Speaking of burning, where IS the Sherman Museum? Do they have a Phoenix at that place? Too bad Sherman did not have a sense of humor.
My beef with you is simply that you wear your faith like a badge. And by unnecessarily calling attention to your faith in contexts where it really shouldn’t matter (e.g. politics), I feel that you unnecessarily create an us/them karma.
The only time I EVER bring up my faith is when liberals/progressives/democrats begin a discussion about how Christians aren’t addressing the needy among us.
I share what my church is doing.
So shoot me.
I’d probably never discuss my faith if liberals/progressives/democrats didn’t.
Put that on a bun, Bruno!
November 28th, 200910:48 pm
DUSTY, here ya are….
November 28th, 200910:50 pm
DUSTY–Lancaster, Ohio…planning a trip?
November 28th, 200911:01 pm
Why sure, JOSEF
Always wanted to take a trip to Lancaster, Ohio, wherever it is!!!! Bags packed, matches and kerosene ready!! Got on my black trench coat and drooping fedora. (Just kidding, Angry Black Man, I’m innocent. Don’t report me. I’d never torch the place. No, Sir. Honest!!!)
Lessee–at the rate we’re going we ought to be able to get Jay to over a thousand clics by the time he gets back. That ought to make him look good…
November 28th, 200911:04 pm
Now who’d ever think that a delicate little flower of Southern womanhood such as yourself would evah even considuh such a thang? Ah, declar-uh…BTW think we could get a group rate?
“That’s a bit much for me!”
Yeah, me too. I can’t even begin to imagine the amount of planning and conditioning it would take to do that many miles in one year.
November 28th, 200911:15 pm
It’s sorta like the joggers–where’s the enjoyment? I could probably do more than 30 mi, but to what end? I wouldn’t enjoy it and that’s why I do it to begin with, to enjoy it…I’m not out to prove anything…
November 28th, 200911:34 pm
It’s amazing that this thing is still up and running.
Senate report: Bin Laden was ‘within our grasp’
WASHINGTON (AP) – Osama bin Laden was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force, a Senate report says. The report asserts that the failure to kill or capture bin Laden at his most vulnerable in December 2001 has had lasting consequences beyond the fate of one man. Bin Laden’s escape laid the foundation for today’s reinvigorated Afghan insurgency and inflamed the internal strife now endangering Pakistan, it says.
Thanks for the information. I was not familiar with americancivilwar.com Looks like Mr. Cisco’s book was not a big seller.in 2007. Already down to $15:65.
Actually, I wouldn’t buy his book. Too long ago and too late to do anything about it. I would not really wish to continue any further generation of hate from the past.. Sherman was not an admirable individual. There were no terrible incidents reported and passed down in my family. Just general very hard times. Perhaps they did not want to remember. I think I have mentioned before, one of my great/g/ great grans fought in the Confederate Army for two years. During that time, he slept outside. He had TB when he went in but he was cured when he came out and lived to a ripe old age. That was unusual in those days when TB was always fatal and the treatment was stay indoors with the windows and blinds closed.
My great/g/ great Aunt Emmy married my g/g/g Uncle Dozier after her first husband died of TB. They were still young. Medicine has surely come a long way..
November 29th, 200912:06 am
Just saw your 11:04
“DELICATE LITTLE FLOWER”!!! You, suh, are a gentlemun and a scholar. I do so appreciate your accuracy and kindly appreciashun of my gentul attributts. Yes Suh…Now, good nite.
And good night to all …
November 29th, 20097:00 am
WASHINGTON — Osama bin Laden was unquestionably within reach of U.S. troops in the mountains of Tora Bora when American military leaders made the crucial and costly decision not to pursue the terrorist leader with massive force, a Senate report says.
The report asserts that the failure to kill or capture bin Laden at his most vulnerable in December 2001 has had lasting consequences beyond the fate of one man. Bin Laden’s escape laid the foundation for today’s reinvigorated Afghan insurgency and inflamed the internal strife now endangering Pakistan, it says.
Although limited to a review of military operations eight years old, the report could also be read as a cautionary note for those resisting an increased troop presence there now.
More pointedly, it seeks to affix a measure of blame for the state of the war today on military leaders under former president George W. Bush, specifically Donald H. Rumsfeld as defense secretary and his top military commander, Tommy Franks.
“Removing the al-Qaida leader from the battlefield eight years ago would not have eliminated the worldwide extremist threat,” the report says. “But the decisions that opened the door for his escape to Pakistan allowed bin Laden to emerge as a potent symbolic figure who continues to attract a steady flow of money and inspire fanatics worldwide. The failure to finish the job represents a lost opportunity that forever altered the course of the conflict in Afghanistan and the future of international terrorism.”
The report states categorically that bin Laden was hiding in Tora Bora when the U.S. had the means to mount a rapid assault with several thousand troops at least. It says that a review of existing literature, unclassified government records and interviews with central participants “removes any lingering doubts and makes it clear that Osama bin Laden was within our grasp at Tora Bora.”
On or about Dec. 16, 2001, bin Laden and bodyguards “walked unmolested out of Tora Bora and disappeared into Pakistan’s unregulated tribal area,” where he is still believed to be based, the report says.
Instead of a massive attack, fewer than 100 U.S. commandos, working with Afghan militias, tried to capitalize on air strikes and track down their prey.
“The vast array of American military power, from sniper teams to the most mobile divisions of the Marine Corps and the Army, was kept on the sidelines,” the report said.
At the time, Rumsfeld expressed concern that a large U.S. troop presence might fuel a backlash and he and some others said the evidence was not conclusive about bin Laden’s location.
More good news from the chairborne 101…
I guess that’s what happens when you let chickenhawks and Neocons run a war… abject incompetence at best, treason at worst… I guess they were too busy focusing on protecting Dumbya from another pretzel attack to listen to their boots on the ground…
November 29th, 20097:08 am
I wouldn’t tell on you if that place somehow went up in flames. I’d think of it as an act of poetic justice.
November 29th, 20097:49 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW. DO NOT SEND MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN!
November 29th, 20097:54 am
I agree with Normal, bring em home. We blew it there 8 years ago, no sense in dragging it out.
November 29th, 20098:07 am
So if Obozo surrenders to the ragheads it’s Bush’s fault?
That must mean that since Clinton missed OBL in the Sudan, he’s fully responsible for 9/11.
Glad we sorted that out.
November 29th, 20098:12 am
Rightwing, He is supposed to make his decision Tuesday. Word is, he’s going to send in over thirty thousand more. His motives bother me. If he is doing this to be “macho” and still have them fight under rules of engagement that only benefit the Taliban, then he is wasting good American lives. If he sends them in restriction free and give them the green light to do what ever it takes to win, then I will grudgingly back him. Otherwise, BRING THEM HOME!
November 29th, 20098:17 am
KABUL — Days after President Barack Obama outlines his new war strategy in a speech Tuesday, as many as 9,000 Marines will begin deploying to southern Afghanistan to renew an assault on a Taliban stronghold that stalled earlier this year amid a troop shortage and political pressure from the Afghan government, senior U.S. oficials said Saturday. -Urinal
Obozo’s acting unilaterally!
ew, ewwwwwwwww (As the libs used to say about Iraq.)
Where’s the world that loves him so much, don’t they want to fight in his righteous war?
November 29th, 20098:20 am
abnormal- If you can get busted in a war zone for giving the enemy a fat lip, I would dare to say that our troops hands are tied behind their backs.
But the impending slaughter of US soldiers is Bush’s fault, so who cares, eh?
November 29th, 20098:25 am
“But the impending slaughter of US soldiers is Bush’s fault, so who cares, eh?”
Andy finally gets a clue… and why should anybody care NOW???
Nobody cared over the last 8 years, why the sudden change of heart amongst the Chairborne 101st???
November 29th, 20098:43 am
Word has it that Obama’s strategy is to send 30,000 additional troops to secure the populated areas only, conceding the outreaches to the Taliban. In a press conference, Gibbs said we could be there until 2017!!?!!
November 29th, 20098:47 am
As to the SEAL, he will be tried, found guilty and fined one dollar. Case closed.
November 29th, 20098:49 am
Lord Help Us- Bush didn’t present unarmed US soldiers to the Taliban as some sort of peace offering or other freakish idea.
We used to kill the enemy, remember all the whining did back then?
Whiner, If President Obama does send in more troops, then from that time on, Afghanistan is completely Obama’s problem and no longer President Bush’s mistake.
November 29th, 20098:51 am
Whiner, that’s as far as I’m concerned, anyway…
November 29th, 20098:53 am
February 18, 2009
In the first major military decision of his presidency, U.S. President Barack Obama is significantly strengthening the combat presence of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
A total of 17,000 extra troops, with the biggest contingent coming from the elite U.S. Marine Corps, will arrive in Afghanistan by spring and summer.
Been paying much attention, duhgone?
November 29th, 20099:00 am
If this is really the way our government thinks, then we truly are screwed-
Raising the U.S. government’s $12.2 trillion borrowing limit tops an agenda of must-pass legislation that imperils Senate Democrats’ ability to pass a health care reform bill this year.
As the senators return from their Thanksgiving break this week, they must act to keep the government running and prevent a 21 percent drop in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients. -Urinal
The only threatened spending cut is doctors getting paid from a government run health care plan, hahahahahahahahaha.
What freaking absurd, childish little world you liberals live in.
November 29th, 20099:06 am
“Andy finally gets a clue… and why should anybody care NOW???
Nobody cared over the last 8 years, why the sudden change of heart amongst the Chairborne 101st???”
RT, not really, though it ALMOST sounds like Duhng finally does understand the deadly incompetence that has gotten us to this point.
BUT..I believe the worst of these conned will never have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that BushCo was a disaster from the get go.
Militarily. Economically. On domestic and foreign policy. And in terms of integrity and honesty.
No, they will give him the free pass and the grade of A+ they did the entire time he was in office.
The good news though is that it has come home to roost for the faux conservatives and chickenhawks. And they are back to the status of where they rightfully always belonged – also rans…
November 29th, 20099:07 am
Even with China and Russia agreeing to additional sanctions, Iran has become even more emboldened.
Iran’s parliament passed a law on Sunday earmarking $20 million to support militant groups opposing the West. That’s Hezbollah and Hamas. Others no doubt.
They’re in the process of writing legislation that would allow them to end cooperation with the IAEA.
Huh? It wasn’t supposed to end this way, Mr. President.
November 29th, 20099:08 am
I’ll bet they honestly do believe this nonsense-
With unemployment still high, Congress has extended jobless benefits to the end of the year, the second such extension during the current recession.The Senate could soon be asked to vote on yet another extension, possibly as part of a larger job-creation package emerging from an employment summit President Barack Obozo will host this week. -Urinal
“Here’s some more of your children’s money, that’s about all of it, now stay home and work.”
“Or you can register democrat voters in the hood for one pack of cigarettes a day, maybe two. Here’s the ACORN phone number.”
November 29th, 20099:16 am
We’ll see Tuesday what Ima Gonna has in mind. My personal opinion is pretty much d*amned if you do, d*mned if you don’t. It’s a quagmire, but it’s his quagmire now, He put in a bid for it and his bid was accepted by the electorate a year ago. Frankly, I question the judgment of anyone who’d want that job to begin with.
November 29th, 20099:18 am
I thought, according to BuschCo, that deficit spending was a good thing, my how the conned nut sacks will flip flop and thrash about when faced with their own spectacular failures…
November 29th, 20099:19 am
My eternal optimism paid off! Yes!
November 29th, 20099:20 am
Cheney/Palin 2012…. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 29th, 20099:23 am
John Bolton Was Right and Obama was duped.
The Times’ reporter in Geneva, however, was taking what the Obama officials were saying and running wildly with the incredible news. Surprisingly, or maybe not, the Times had either not checked with Iranian officials or ignored their warnings in favor of the Obama Administration’s good news. Roughly a month later, the Iranian official statements confirmed the fact that the Obama Administration had been duped. The Times subsequently inched its way back to reality through multiple follow-up stories that increasingly showed skepticism in the Victory claims culminating with October 30th’s headline “Tehran Rejects Nuclear Accord.”
When Iran tried to manipulate the process by asking for more time, more talks or giving empty and last minute commitments, Bolton enforced the deadlines. Bolton was incredibly patient and willing to have round the clock negotiations but in the end forced a vote of the Security Council to the dismay of the Europeans and the consternation of Russian and China. It’s true that John Bolton would not win the most popular Ambassador award at the UN but being popular shouldn’t be the priority.
John Bolton was awesome!
November 29th, 20099:26 am
At one stop in Oakland City, Norwood drove six smiling children in her green Buick as community leaders showed the media rows of run-down, abandoned homes.
“What if a child walks past this and falls,” said Norwood supporter Diane Trimble, pointing at an uncovered water meter. “It’s almost like the city has forgotten certain areas.” -Urinal
And the democrats try to tag Norwood as a Republican.
She should adopt that “label” and run with it.
It ain’t like the succession of democrat mayors have exactly been wunderkinds.
November 29th, 20099:28 am
“Roughly a month later, the Iranian official statements confirmed the fact that the Obama Administration had been duped.”
So… we can’t trust a word the Iranians say, except for this eh???
Makes perfect sense to me.
I must say, consistency is the hallmark of @@’s positions…
November 29th, 20099:29 am
Republicans spend the people’s money on the people, not their reelection kampaigns.
November 29th, 20099:35 am
Yet this episode obliterates the public credibility once enjoyed by these scientists. And these are not just any scientists: Their work has been integral to the reports of the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the related push for legal restrictions on carbon emissions. It is hard to imagine what they could do to re-earn such prominence and trust. -Kyle Wingnut, Urinal
Lie even harder?
Hahaaha, and just think, I told you they were full of crap what, 5 years ago?
Never doubt me.
November 29th, 20099:44 am
Speaking of words.
Finally, Obama may have too much confidence in his own abilities, leading him to speak too often in too many venues, risking overexposure and reduced impact.
I couldn’t have said it better, but I’ll try…
Obama’s in overdose, not overdrive.
Republicans spend the people’s money on the people,
No, it’s Republicans spend money on the fat cats of business, not the people…sorry.
November 29th, 20099:49 am
All y’all outside the city, who should I vote for for Mayor and why?
November 29th, 20099:51 am
“No, it’s Republicans spend money on the fat cats of business, not the people…sorry.”
And so do the Democrats…
November 29th, 20099:53 am
I can’t tell you who you should vote for. Only you know what your opinions and concerns are. Choose who will best address those concerns. If I were voting, however, I’d be 100% for Norwood. I see Reed as just another in the line of politicians that have used the position of Mayor to better themselves and not the city. In other words, he has far too many connections to Franklin, Campbell, and others.
November 29th, 200910:02 am
That’s one for Norwood.
That heroic figure who wrote, “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy.” (But he has NO problems helping get YOUR kids killed in the sand.)
Another imperialist PNAC buffoon who advocates full-spectrum American dominance vis a vis the George Bush’s new age Crusades.
I personally wouldn’t give a rats a_s what that mustachioed moron posits other than to the extent he and his fellow thugs got a ton of American kids KIA’d needlessly…
As gutless and as big an intellectual effete as possible. And another deadly, incompetent BushCo thug that was sadly born in this nation rather than 1920’s Russia…
November 29th, 200910:04 am
I’d go with Norwood. She’s worked tirelessly within the COMMUNITIES, not just the bureaucracy.
The NYT slams Obama and not Netanyahu? My how things have changed.
Said his ME peace initiatives were a failure.
Poor Bibi….having lost confidence in this administration, he’s now looking elsewhere for reassurances.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
November 29th, 200910:17 am
Yosef- Norwood has a track record of proven accomplishments from her seat on the city council, Reed, not so much.
The state run media has become a total caricature and parody, White House message lap dogs-
PRESIDENT OBAMA is expected to announce this week his plan for Afghanistan and Pakistan, a mess he inherited from his predecessor.-Boston.com
How can you take seriously people who spew such idiocy?
These are the same people that became 24/7 Towers of Babble, reporting every single solitary thing in Iraq as though it were a total disaster, remember the burning car video loops that we never get to see anymore for some odd reason?
Why were you so quite about the problems of Afghanistan until now, little children? Is it because you are expected to accept responsibility for your actions and that is something you just cannot do?
I’ve seen dogs with more maturity than the democrats have.
November 29th, 200910:23 am
A second statement from within the military?
SHAW AIR FORCE BASE, S.C. — Air Forces Central Command isn’t waiting for the commander in chief’s decision on Afghanistan to plot its future role there.
Thinking outside Obama’s box?
November 29th, 200910:30 am
That’s 3 Norwood; O Reed
November 29th, 200910:31 am
It seems to me that Reed is mostly attacking Norwood while Norwood is mostly talking about issues. Even if it’s a strike against her that these issues could have been addressed more forcefully through her position on the City Council it gives her an edge in my mind.
/Not that the cynic in me thinks either one of them will be worth a damn…….
November 29th, 200910:32 am
Zaradari’s deepening unpopularity has put Washington in a bind over its avowed commitment to political stability in Pakistan.
If Zardari is forced from power, either on corruption charges or through a collapse of his ruling party, the US might have to deal with new leaders who are no better able to solve the country’s problems. — al Jazeera
Make no mistake about it ^^^ THAT is the result of the recent Kerry-Lugar Aid Package.
Nawaz Sharif is pushing the revolt. Sharif is no friend to America. He has a history of having collaborated with Al Qaeda AND the Taliban.
November 29th, 200910:36 am
a mess he inherited from his predecessor.-Boston.com
Ah yes, once again we have the poor little community organizer that got ripped off the street and into a probate court where he found, much to his chagrin, he had inherited the Presidency.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he ask for the job for two years, even as he ignored the one he had that could have affected these situations, and claim he was the man to fix all these problems?
November 29th, 200910:47 am
“but didn’t he ask for the job for two years”
and why does that not mean he inherited the problem?
November 29th, 200910:59 am
4 Norwood, 0 Reed
“and why does that not mean he inherited the problem?”
He put in a bid, his bid was accepted. He bought it. It’s his. If we were a monarchy, we might say he inherited it.
November 29th, 200911:01 am
Josef, I would vote for Norwood too, Reed has too many ties with the present administration and they don’t have a very stellar record. Someone “new” is needed…
November 29th, 2009
“No, it’s Republicans spend money on the fat cats of business, not the people…sorry.”
That is the pity of politics and whey we need new blood infused into the system every time.
November 29th, 200911:02 am
What I’d like to hear from Obama is this:
“‘I eagerly accepted the problems this nation was facing at home and abroad. ‘How am I doing, thus far?’”
November 29th, 200911:05 am
“If we were a monarchy, we might say he inherited it.”
I don’t agree. No matter who had won that election, the wars were still started and mismanaged by the previous President. The problem is, and was, and always will be an inherited problem. The only thing that Obama didn’t inherit is how HE handles it now.
November 29th, 200911:06 am
Doggone, don’t forget the five D’s of Republidemagoguery – dodge, duck, dip dive and…..dodge.
The Uppity Muslim knew full well, as did 80% of the republic, what a vast cesspool the conned left us.
No need pretending it smells like roses…
November 29th, 200911:12 am
“what a vast cesspool the conned left us.”
I also like that they think he should have it fixed by now. They’re perfectly content to allow Bush 8 years to screw it up, but Obaman has to fix it NOW!
November 29th, 200911:20 am
Reporter–Did you put out your NFL picks yet? My only solid pick is Indy (-3).
November 29th, 200911:26 am
Norwood 5, Reed 0
Piggybacking on the 5 D’s and inheritance versus petition
” dodge, duck, dip dive and…..dodge.”
Ima Gonna has proven a master at these as well, in my opinion, and holding my line, there’s only so long you can apply these to the inheritance before the capital is spent. Whether he bought it or inherited it, it’s his problem and he said he’d fix it. Unlike the Christmas Turkey and DADT, I’m willing to cut him more slack here, but I’m not willing to give him an excuse package. We’ll see on Tuesday and I’ll reserve judgment and opinion until that time.
November 29th, 200911:27 am
“BUT..I believe the worst of these conned will never have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that BushCo was a disaster from the get go. Militarily. Economically. On domestic and foreign policy. And in terms of integrity and honesty. No, they will give him the free pass and the grade of A+ they did the entire time he was in office.”
Out of curiosity, Am, if every last person on earth stood up and said that Bush was the Worst President Ever and a despicable human being to boot, how would that change your world?
November 29th, 200911:28 am
I was just looking through the games and it says Norwood is questionable for the Falcons today. You may want to take that into consideration, josef. If she’s going to let her team down to see if she can “inherit” the Mayor’s job no telling when she’ll turn her back on the city.
November 29th, 200911:38 am
November 29th, 200911:45 am
josef, if you think I excoriated Bush, gimme a couple more years to see if and how George Bush II shiites the bed just as bad. I will not hold back because he is a non-Republican, of that I can assure you.
He already looks to be like his predecessor, VERY happy with the status quo and likely WAY in over his head…
Morning, B. (And congrats on being one 901. Me? I’d prefer 910, so I could be one after 909!)
I do not view this confab just in terms of MY world, but THE world.
I have a son; I hope to have grandchildren one day.
The quality of the world we leave them is the most solemn duty and most important responsibility I can think of.
And I will never, ever give a free pass to those that sold and continue to sell their souls to the company store for a few pieces of short-sighted silver.
All the while abrogating THEIR responsibilities to the quality of that world via unbridle gluttony and malfeasance. And yes, deadly ineptitude.
I’m just not wired that way, my friend.
Ike was right, but almost nobody today wants to grok it…
November 29th, 200911:47 am
Afghanistan is where I think Obama has been done a terrible disservice by his supporters during the campaign. He’s not totally absolved of guilt. He promoted Afghanistan as “his right war” to win their support.
Democrats in Revolt Over Obama’s Troop Surge
The Democrats and their supporters basically offered Obama up as a sacrificial lamb. He went along willingly.
November 29th, 200911:51 am
RW–so, how do I tally your vote?
Bruno– 901! Looks like we’ve got competition, RW.
I’d never put you in the Obamaniac corner. And as for “Bush II,” I’m inclined that direction myself,,. and there’s more than a little of the Judas about him …
November 29th, 200911:53 am
While no war is right, Afghanistan should have been the only war fought. Period. We would have been out of there by now if we had the right leadership in place.
November 29th, 200911:54 am
“The quality of the world we leave them is the most solemn duty and most important responsibility I can think of. And I will never, ever give a free pass to those that sold and continue to sell their souls to the company store for a few pieces of short-sighted silver. All the while abrogating THEIR responsibilities to the quality of that world via unbridle gluttony and malfeasance. And yes, deadly ineptitude.”
I respect your point of view, was more questioning why it is important to you for the far-right wingers to publicly excoriate Bush. By the end of his term, Bush’s popularity numbers were less than 20%, which is a pretty slim margin of support.
As for me personally, I view his term as a mixed bag. I think his biggest failure was the inability to modify strategies as he went along. For his administration to say they didn’t see the financial meltdown coming is inexcusable in my book.
November 29th, 200911:55 am
“…sacrficial lamb…?” Not to get the uproar started again, but they DID promote him as the Messiah and I said back then that his opponents would be put in the shade when his bleeding crowd had the rose colored glasses ripped off…
November 29th, 200911:56 am
Upchuck- Yes, on Tuesday evening, I am 0-1 so far.
RW- The democrats have no intentions of winning this war. That would be cruel and discriminatory against the terrorists. Why do we always get to be #1? We’ll let them win this game and we will be better for it as a nation and the world will look upon us fondly and with love, blah, blah.
Just look at their propaganda strategy, which I’m sure bookman will reinforce in spades on Monday, while still dodging the fat lip court martial question, they are ALREADY poll testing their excuse for losing.
If I was a soldier in Afghanistan, and God forgive me for saying this, I WOULD shoot my commanders, as democrats are want for them to do. You can taste, smell and feel the massacre of American soldiers the democrats are setting us up for, trotting out more defenseless troops and TELLING THE ENEMY TO THEIR FACES that they have the same constitutional rights as any other American citizen. Fat lip, Ackmed? Here, call my buddies at 1-800-ObozoJustice and we’ll sue the great Satan on your behalf.
Anybody want to guess how many trial lawyers will be setting up shop in Kabul this coming Tuesday, with We speak Raghead signs on their doors?
November 29th, 200911:57 am
Since I doubt the Norwood that plays for the Falcons is Mary, I’ll stick with giving her the “inheritance.”
November 29th, 200911:58 am
“Me? I’d prefer 910, so I could be one after 909!”
LOL, Am. I never saw that clip before.
November 29th, 200912:02 pm
Other than that, it should be great fun to watch the pacifists and surrender monkeys at the AJC suck it up for the party and cheer on the war for oil.
November 29th, 200912:03 pm
Bruno–yeah, but now you’re 911…sure your name ain’t Giuliani?
So, that’s Norwood-5, Reed-Zip
November 29th, 200912:04 pm
You’re the Chicago expert, aren’t you, Reporter? Vikes (-10 1/2) looks attractive, but I hate those high point spreads. I’m also looking into Tenn (-3) vs. Arizona. Warner is banged up, so might be a tough game for the Cards.
Did you have a happy Thanksgiving? What did you do with the game that you harvested?
Bosch–if you are around–at the half
November 29th, 200912:07 pm
Make that Norwood-6, Reed-zip…don’t need this to go to the Supreme Court
November 29th, 200912:11 pm
I think Reporter was responding to my football question.
“Giants over Broncos. Falcons over Bucs, GFY (good for you) dirty birds. Texans over the Colts (yep, I said it.) Vikings over the Bears by a ton. Patriots at the Saints”
Texans over the Colts?? Can’t say I’m sure about the Falcons either at (-12 1/2).
November 29th, 200912:15 pm
OCCUPIED ATLANTA–Early returns from polls outside the Perimeter show Mary Norwood in a shut-out lead over Kassim Reed in the race for Atlanta Mayor. Though voting was light, Norwood appears to have support from across the spectrum…
November 29th, 200912:21 pm
“Though voting was light, Norwood appears to have support from across the spectrum…”
Driving through the northwestern edge of Buckhead on Thursday, all I saw were Norwood signs, for what that’s worth. It may ultimately be a split vote along racial lines since I don’t think they have major differences in their platforms.
Wish me luck today on the football, josef. Paying for Liza Minelli to appear at your wake is going to be pricey.
Upchuck, apologies, I thought you were Bruno.
The game will be shipped down here on Monday. Pheasant and duck. Yummmy. Roasted pheasant is to die for.
Bruno- Give the points. The purple people will cover.
November 29th, 200912:23 pm
Bruno- My picks are not factoring in any points.
November 29th, 200912:26 pm
Add to the predictions- Adrian Peterson for 179 yards on 17 carries.
November 29th, 200912:27 pm
“Bruno- My picks are not factoring in any points.”
Appreciate you clearing that up. I’m looking for some kind of edge today, have been treading water lately. I think my best strategy is to stick to 1 or 2 games, likely Indy and the Vikes.
November 29th, 200912:28 pm
While I’m thinking about it, The Skins upset the Eagles at the green zoo.
November 29th, 200912:31 pm
“The Skins upset the Eagles at the green zoo.”
You’re going out on a big limb today, Reporter. If you’re right, I’ll sing your praises on Monday. I’m thinking about going with the Under bet on that game at 40 1/2.
Good luck with everyone’s picks today! Go Indy!!
November 29th, 200912:32 pm
BRUNO–Luck! Pay for Liza? Whacha think youtube is there for?
Here in my little corner of Buckhead, only one Reed sign in view…the Argentine’s yard…hmm! No doubt that race will be a factor, but the “feeling” is less so than many might think. It’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that the vote of “those people” in Midtown and surrounding precincts will be the determining factor and neither candidate can take it for granted…
November 29th, 200912:34 pm
Good points, B.
Intractable, that’s the word that applied. And maybe myopic…
Oh well, the title from song number five on that super spectacular debut record says it all.
(Sorry for the link, apparently Foreigner has the rights locked up tighter than a chastity belt and youtube is on the outside looking in…)
November 29th, 200912:51 pm
Final picks: Indy (-3) and Philly/Wash (Under 40 1/2).
November 29th, 20091:05 pm
Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today, the graph became the central icon of the entire man-made global warming movement. -Telegraph.UK
Dump Alternative Energy stocks – misc.invest.stocks | Google Groups
Uh oh, here comes the bottom again.
Sell, sell, sell.
Po little al-gore.
November 29th, 20091:29 pm
An interesting approach on Senator Lugar’s part.
WASHINGTON — A top Republican senator wants to postpone efforts to overhaul health care until next year so Congress can concentrate on how to pay for President Barack Obama’s expected plans for expanding military operations in Afghanistan.
Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, says there’s need to be a sharp focus on Obama’s new strategy for the 8-year war and how much it will cost. — AP
Obama rushed the health care bill without knowing how to pay for it. He delayed his Afghanistan decision putting our troops at risk. Now he needs to delay the health care bill in favor of determining the cost of Afghanistan.
November 29th, 20091:35 pm
If you were a soldier in Afghanistan, you would shoot your commanders?
Why don’t you volunteer to be a soldier in Afghanistan so that you can test your theory?
Could one interpret your no answer as that of being a blow-hard coward who pretends to be a patriot?
Only shows the difference between your mouth and your action!
I am glad that you are not a soldier, because most GI’s would not tolerate you and the bravado and bluster that would endanger their lives, wannabe!
November 29th, 20092:23 pm
Fragging used to be so honorable, Jaggie.
November 29th, 20092:36 pm
Iran announces plans for 10 new uranium enrichment plants
Uhmmmm, Mr. President?
November 29th, 20092:43 pm
Happy Sunday all
Hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving
November 29th, 20092:56 pm
Uh oh, the big bird went down.
I’m a little late to this fray but since I don’t live there, I’ll leave to the good citizens there to determine their own fate. I do hope, for their sake, they can do something to stem the tide of what they’ve put up with for what seems like decades.
November 29th, 20093:03 pm
Hey! Atlanta’s mayoral run-off made it to the WSJ.
Known for her combative style on the council, Ms. Norwood has received limited public support from elected officials..
There’s a good reason to vote for Mary.
November 29th, 20093:30 pm
Fraggin’ was never honorable. It was a tool used by those who did not have the gonads to stand up to those in command.
What about you and your fat lip? You don’t have the gonads to even attempt a despicable act like that, SLOW MOTION!
November 29th, 20093:32 pm
Watched a friend die last night. Chemo sucks. Not gonna do it. If it could take her down, I’d never have a chance. She was the anti-wuss.
November 29th, 20093:37 pm
Yes, Thanksgiving was fine. I am now down to ham sandwiches. Not even one turkey bone in sight. Anyway, you have been quiet lately. Hope you are not sick
Everyone here is in fine shape, fighting and fussing and fuming at a moderate pace. The name calling is hardly worth mentioning. Bookman will soon be back to get us all going again.
A day without namecalling is like cornbread without cracklins !. Anyway, just wanted to say Hi.
Be back later…..
November 29th, 20093:39 pm
Condolences to you and her family.
November 29th, 20093:41 pm
Matilda- Sorry for the loss.
What kind of cancer?
Jaggie- Obozo is sending kids to die in battle with their hands tied behind their backs in the most major way and only because the democrat party does not want to be labeled “surrender monkeys” again.
So who’s the bigger coward, me or him?
November 29th, 20093:44 pm
no I haven’t been sick. Thanks for your kind thoughts.
I’ve been really busy trying to prepare for Christmas – my oldest granddaughter is coming to visit
She’s a freshman at Howard University, and I want to provide a festive and stress free atmosphere for her.
November 29th, 20093:50 pm
The birds have to mull a 54 yard field goal, hahaha.
November 29th, 20093:53 pm
Now they have to mull a 42 yarder which is just as perilous.
What did I tell you?
November 29th, 20094:39 pm
Falcons win, Whiner!
November 29th, 20094:48 pm
My God, Global warming scientists have been falsifying data? What is this melted down world coming to? This scheme was well thought out by the left. Take a leftist political agenda, add some influencial, unscrupulous scientists wanting grants and some greedy jerks like Gore and Soros and WALLAH! You have another worldwide crisis with which you can control people by and by which you can suck their money for your own gain. The beauty was that it could all be done in the name of doing something good. Barnum was right. Suckers really are born everyday.
November 29th, 20095:02 pm
Getting ready for Christmas!! I haven’t even gotten over Thanksgiving yet.
But I just ran up to Kroger for a couple of items and they have Christmas trees all lined up for sale.
Sounds like fun having a grand daughter for Christmas. Hope you can manage that stress-free atmosphere. I never make it. Usually, I’m still planning all those fancy ideas I see in magazines when it’s already Chrsitmas Eve. ….. Enjoy!!
November 29th, 20095:05 pm
On global warming—both “sides” of the argument have been hijacked by their lunatic fringes in the politicization which, in this climate of polarization (no pun intended) the rational has left the stage.
Is global warming a reality? Yes. Those data are in and pretty much stand to scrutiny. Is it George Bush’s fault and is Al Gore going to turn down the thermostat? No doubt.
In plotting a course of action to deal with the phenominon, we are looking for blame and quick answers and no one seems to be addressing a key issue: how much of this is something we can control, carbon emissions, and how much is of a cyclical nature over which we have no control. Most likely it is neither all one or the other.
Chicken Little off to see the king or the Ostrich with head in the sand, the current approach is a convention of bird brains in my opinion.
November 29th, 20095:10 pm
DUSTY and MIDORI
Merry Christmas! I can say that now that Thanksgiving’s over. I do love this season of the year when peace and goodwill, children laughing, all is happy take over most of us in public as well as private and the Scrooge’s even get to celebrate with the rest of us…
November 29th, 20095:19 pm
Is global warming a reality? Yes. Those data are in and pretty much stand to scrutiny.
Heard the news lately, yosef?
And by the way, who was responsible for the Medieval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today?
November 29th, 20095:26 pm
Renaissance fairs of course and today’s warming can probably be attributed to their resurrection.
November 29th, 20095:35 pm
“when temperatures were higher they are today?”
over and over and over
I see you are all in a huff over the weather. Was it Will Rogers who said “Everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it.” ?? Well, somebody said something like that. I’m not worried about controlling our emissions but I surely do wonder why nobody is after China and India about theirs. All the “treaties” I heard about excused C & I but put the screws to USA. Bush was smart and did not approve the big start up “treaty”. He was correct as far as I can see.
Anyway, josef, we had a fine church service today with a semi-nouveau-regular-contemporary service which was interesting with good music. The poetry selections were from The Crossings, a book by Susan Palo Cherawien. Some of her lines reminded me of “Unmentionable”. Thought he might like them.
Early in the new morn hours
Early, before the waking of the sky
Early, while the day yet sleeps
Navaho and Lakota
Cree and Ojibway,
The many People of the Land
To sing forth the sun.
Like a morning sacrifice of praise,
It is a duty, to sing forth the sun,
It is a prayer
and a need like breath
To know the universe awaits you
To sing forth the sun.
In a time of waiting,
When the dawn will come
As surely as the night,
In a time of waiting
It is a duty and a prayer
to sing forth
Isn’t that nice?? There were more of her selections but I especially liked that one.. The music was everything from English folk songs to some jazzy spirituals to familiar hymns. Good way to start Advent.
November 29th, 20095:36 pm
Headline (AP) GENEVA — “Swiss voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on minarets on Sunday, barring construction of the iconic mosque towers in a surprise vote that put Switzerland at the forefront of a European backlash against a growing Muslim population.”
Question: Hummmm ……… the Swiss are pretty decent, freedom loving people. Do they know something we don’t?
Answer: “”The minaret is a sign of political power and demand, comparable with whole-body covering by the burqa, tolerance of forced marriage and genital mutilation of girls,” the sponsors said. They noted that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has compared mosques to Islam’s military barracks and called “the minarets our bayonets.”
As I have said before, Islam is not just a religion ……… it is a political, religious, economic, educational, military system and we ignore that at our peril.
November 29th, 20095:37 pm
Since your military skills are so profound, explain how they kids have their hands tied behind their backs? When the soldiers die in Afghanistan, they usually die from IED’s. Wonder if their training prevents them from this happening?
As a armchair general, you should know about these things.
November 29th, 20095:38 pm
That is but some of the data which have been skewed and this happens all the time…it is just such as the Medieval warming period which cause me to question the all one or all the other approach
Best argument I’ve heard against the Society for Creative Anachronism et al…one of my boys plays with them…he doesn’t quite understand my objection that this was not a particularly romantic period for the Chosen!
November 29th, 20095:43 pm
Headline (CNN) – “Iran’s Cabinet has authorized the construction of another 10 uranium enrichment plants, its state news agency announced Sunday, further defying international calls to halt its production of nuclear fuel.”
Listen …………. can you hear it ? ………………… those Israeli jets are warming up !
November 29th, 20095:45 pm
Since your military skills are so profound, explain how they kids have their hands tied behind their backs?
Navy SEALs have secretly captured one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq — the alleged mastermind of the murder and mutilation of four Blackwater USA security guards in Fallujah in 2004. And three of the SEALs who captured him are now facing criminal charges. . . .
Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named “Objective Amber,” told investigators he was punched by his captors — and he had the bloody lip to prove it.
Most people don’t need the simple things explained to them.
yosef- Say what?
November 29th, 20095:47 pm
Unmentionable says thank you for the sweet thoughts,and that it is a beautiful and spiritual poem, but that all in all, he’ll go with the electric blanket, central heat and air and indoor plumbing!
I read that…it seems so alien to my American mentality…the Swiss, though, did write several chapters in the book of xenophobia…
November 29th, 20095:51 pm
Good for them …….. it’s what has kept them a decent society for all of these years.
November 29th, 20095:52 pm
Shows you how good the American military is.
If the SEALS are being brought up on charges, the were accused of an infraction of military protocol. Does not matter who or what the subject was.
Why does that piece of information have your eye as it does nothing to further your argument relative to Afghanistan.
Apparently you need explanation about many things relative to military protocol.
November 29th, 20095:55 pm
I think it’s way too early in the game to be coming to fast conclusions one way or the other…insofar as skewing data is concerned, that goes on all the time…
I’ve been saying here all along that in the long run we’d be turning loose the little Israeli bulldog to do our dirty work, swat him with the daily fishwrapper once it’s done, bad puppy all over the place, but rest assured there’s a special bone awaiting…Brother Bibi ain’t nobody’s fool…
November 29th, 20095:57 pm
I believe if the Israeli armed forces attack Iran, the recession that we just experienced will be child’s play when the Iranians shut down the Straits of Hormuz, where 60% of the world’s oil traverses.
How do we resolve that?
November 29th, 20096:01 pm
yosef- What about that big overriding factor that it is getting colder not warmer?
At what point do you get a clue?
OK, jaggie, a bloody lip on the battlefield is a hangin offense, see, you answered your own question.
Now if you were only smart enough to know it….
November 29th, 20096:04 pm
Faulkner said of the Swiss that they “are not so much a nation as a small, clean, quite solvent business.” I’m not here to tell them how to run their business, but such things as prohibiting minarets is just Unamerican to me.
November 29th, 20096:08 pm
The getting colder is, itself, an aspect of the warming trend, and the question is why that is so in certain areas of the planet and not in others…climatology is still in its infancy as a science and the climatologists will be the first to say so…only within our generation have we begun to understand the nino effect…
November 29th, 20096:10 pm
In WW2, when men were men and liberals were still imprisoned within their little feminine shells, a woman and child killing terrorist who butchers Americans and hangs their bodies from bridges in his spare time would have been stood against the wall with his bloody lip and been shot to freaking death.
But now, in the age of “progressiveness,” we want scumbags to like us.
November 29th, 20096:12 pm
On the Straits of Hormuz and Iran blocking…don’t forget that Iran’s Arab neighbors, producers of much of that oil, are more than happy to see the Persian bomb taken out…don’t forget how quickly and how effectively the oil consumers took care of bidness in Kuwait…
Yeah, yosef, part of that warming trend must have been the glaciers that carved out the North Georgia mountains or the trees and grass that used to grow in Iceland.
Get a grip, hysteritic.
November 29th, 20096:20 pm
Oh good, the Bears “offense” again, three sacks and a punt.
Hey Lovie, now we got a 5 game season to the playoffs, you putz.
November 29th, 20096:24 pm
“Get a grip, hysteritic.”
Not really. It’s way too early to draw conclusions. Iceland is getting warmer and the polar ice cap is receding and Georgia had a much cooler than normal summer…why? I don’t know but the two seemingly opposed phenomina merit a closer look…
November 29th, 20096:25 pm
Used to know a man who was German Swiss. He told me that the German Swiss tended to look down on the French Swiss. He also hated anybody from Germany and said the Germans hated the German Swiss, viewing them as inferior. So all is not peace and love there either.
November 29th, 20096:28 pm
“According to the University of Illinois, Antarctic sea ice area is nearly 30% above normal and the anomaly has reached 1,000,000 km2. …
According to NSIDC, over the last 30 years Antarctic sea ice extent has been growing at a rate of nearly 5% per decade, and set a record maximum last year. …
Sadly though, biologists using computer models have forecast that some Penguins are headed for extinction due to loss of Antarctic sea ice. …
You have been snowed, yosef.
November 29th, 20096:32 pm
Back in college one of my Swiss friends said that all that finely tuned Swiss multi-culturalism was not an exercise in living together in peace and harmony, but an exercise in living apart in peace and harmony! She was Italian Swiss and had some rather interesting opinions on the German and French Swiss!
November 29th, 20096:36 pm
my point exactly…why is the Antarctic ice pack expanding while the Arctic is receding? It’s tied together, but how? We had a much cooler summer, a rainy October and here it is the first of December and the impatiens are still in full bloom and the yard needs mowing…why? I don’t know…
November 29th, 20096:38 pm
No one but you would have their logic so conflated that they would even consider anyone could be executed because the prisoner had a bloody lip.
General, you should articulate the regulations more clearly.
Where were liberals imprisoned within their feminine shells? It is against our rules of war to summarily execute a prisoner. You would have gone to jail for your rash, irrational behavior.
Unfortunately, many of the oil ports depend on the Straits and the Arab neighbors can not pump fast enough to make up for the shortage.
November 29th, 20096:41 pm
It is against our rules of war to summarily execute a prisoner.
This is true but I knew WWII Vets who would tell you prisoners were taken only when officers were around.
November 29th, 20096:46 pm
Which is why the Straits would not be closed…the oil consumers and the oil producers would not tolerate it…a coalition of the French, British, American and Indian navies operating in the interests of the gulf states is not something the Persians are up for, rhetoric and show aside…
November 29th, 20096:47 pm
Aww josef, 5:47
Tell Unmentionable I am really disappointed. I thought there was still one person left who got up with the sun and felt good about it. Indoor plumbing? Well, there goes the poetic moment!
November 29th, 20096:51 pm
my point exactly…why is the Antarctic ice pack expanding while the Arctic is receding?
yosef- Are you serious?
A layer of ice up to two miles thick covers a continent as big as the United States and Mexico combined. Antarctic ice contains 70% of the world’s fresh water (90% of the world’s ice). If it were divided up, every person on Earth could have a chunk of ice larger than the Great Pyramid. Although 98% of Antarctica is ice, there is land underneath the ice cover, unlike the Arctic where the ice floats on top of the ocean.
What is your problem?
When the government captured a band of German infiltrators in the United States, FDR declared he would execute them no matter what any court said.
And he did. Electrocuted them.
November 29th, 20096:53 pm
Regarding the Swiss (and being UnAmercian) if you could look ahead 100 years and see that a certain practice would destroy this country and you had the ability to stop it now ……….. would you?
1) You know the Israeli’s will attack Iran because they see it as a threat to their very existance. Not if but when ………..
2) You keep the Straits of Hormuz open ……….. regardless of the consequences to Iran.
It is rare (but it has happened especially in WWII and Korea) when the execution of prisoners is justified. I’ll give you an example ………….
You are attempting to hold an isolated hilltop position. Reinforcements are hours away. Your company has repulsed several assaults involving hand to hand combat, is down to 30 men, most are seriously wounded, very low on ammo and you have three prisoners from the last assault. You don’t have one man to spare to guard them. You can’t send them back to their lines or they will advise their officers just how weak you are. Here comes the next attack ……….. guess what?
War is hell.
November 29th, 20096:55 pm
He says to tell you the only way to watch the sun rise is if you’re still up from the night out! He says to tell all those white folks talking about it getting colder that he’s got a deal on some blankets!
I get tickled whenever some granola head starts waxing too eloquent on the spiritual nature of the Native American and Unmentionable says, “Well, my Gr-at Sp-rit is Nicene Creed confession!”
November 29th, 20097:03 pm
“…Arctic where the ice floats on top of the water…”
So the water is getting warmer…why? But there is land underneath Greenland and its ice cap is receding…why this hemispheric difference?
much of your argument was put forth during the massive immigration to the United States in the late 19th Century…the result was the tightening of immigration with a quota system and not refusing to allow construction of synagogues, Eastern Orthodox churches and the like…
November 29th, 20097:08 pm
I hear you but ………. you dodged my question.
November 29th, 20097:15 pm
How did Greenland find it’s way into this?
Are you grasping for straws, yosef?
90% of the world’s ice and it’s growing, you still babble.
November 29th, 20097:16 pm
See my 7:03…banning symbols may make this, that or the other group feel better but it does little to address what, it may be argued, is a problem. You ask about a future problem. I have a real problem myself with all the Yankee immigration and the changes they are bringing in demanding that we Southerners bend to their will and adopt their cultural norms. I see just your contention of a hundred years in the future being reduced to a minority in my own homeland…so what do you suggest? Ban the public use of “you guys?”
November 29th, 20097:17 pm
Not to say their situation is any worse than others, but dang….just dang.
Michael Peters, 44, was dubbed Speedy Gonzales, “because I was so fast” adding clips, pins and foam strips to parts, he says. While working for Ford, he earned $800 and $900 every two weeks, which was enough to support his mother, Martha, in their home. “I was paying for all the household bills for me and my mom,” says Mr. Peters, who wears a photo of his now-deceased mother, on a metal tag around his neck.
Mr. Peters’s diligence, mirrored by many others, earned the respect of those around them. “A lot of regular guys in life think how to cheat and steal from the system,” says Mike Walker, who supervises Mr. Peters and others. “These guys work hard.”
Robert Ertle, the 30-year old who can’t walk, is industrious by nature. In the evenings, antsy to get out of his wheelchair, he will crawl out to the garage to clean his mother’s car.
“Lott is the best thing that ever happened to him,” says his mother, Ms. Cleveland.
they’re exceptional in so many ways.
November 29th, 20097:18 pm
What is happening in Greenland is part of the phenominon…
November 29th, 20097:22 pm
It looks like Jay will get his 1000 without my help…gotta run and get ready to go back to the real world…thoroughly enjoyed time spent with y’all over the last few days…have a good week ahead…
November 29th, 20097:25 pm
And how’s that, josef?
Care to elaborate?
Or don’t you deal with facts?
November 29th, 20097:42 pm
Deo Vindice ……………….
November 29th, 20097:56 pm
Josef has left the building. Darn, just as I arrive.
But he got his first taste of dealing with the experts in the 101st Chairborne. (Meteorological Division!)
Silly rational kid.
It would seem the Tampon Bay Bucs are no better, or worse, than the Bambi’s of the Midway.
They can hang with the Falcons up until the last moment of the game.
Speaking of the Bare’sasses, did I really see that score correctly? 36 – 10???
Man, that’s gotta sting…
OK, as I failed to attend Sunday evening services (again), let me leave the faithful with this one…
November 29th, 20098:10 pm
Somehow I don’t believe josef’s talk of a measured and cautious approach to the issue due to climate science being in it’s infancy squares with having wild eyed gorbasms over the “truth” behind anthropogenic global warming.
Besides, now we find out they threw away the raw data in favor of their “adjusted” data.
November 29th, 20098:26 pm
Isn’t it funny that AmWet doesn’t have the stones to tell us his favorite sports team?
Let me guess, the Colts.
November 29th, 20098:31 pm
U.S. only #20 debtor nation?
November 29th, 20098:36 pm
Recovery dot con
November 29th, 20098:49 pm
We already think we’re broke using the phony numbers.
When we correct for both gimmicks, counting both on- and off-budget costs over the first 10 years of implementation, the total cost of ObamaCare reaches — I’m so sorry about this — $6.25 trillion. That’s not a precise estimate. It’s just far closer to the truth than President Obama and congressional Democrats want the debate to be.
November 29th, 20098:50 pm
The Baltimore Colts?
Oh yeah! As I laugh my ass off…
To paraphrase Casey Stengel, how did the Chicago Bambi’s ever win four games?
November 29th, 20098:52 pm
Oh My !
November 29th, 20098:54 pm
Israel may attack Iran, but, it will be to everyone’s detriment.
How does one keep the Straits open, regardless of the consequences to Iran? Do you nuke them? If so, then the nuclear strike presents a hazard to everyone and everything using that passage with its most narrow point being 16 miles.
November 29th, 20099:08 pm
So what….is this a bribe or Obama’s saber rattling?
Obama called for closer collaboration against all extremist groups, and his letter named five: al-Qaida, the Afghan Taliban, the Haqqani network, Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Pakistani Taliban organization known as Tehrik-e-Taliban. Using vague diplomatic language, he said that ambiguity in Pakistan’s relationship with any of them could no longer be ignored.
Jones, a retired Marine Corps general, was more precise in conversations with top Pakistani government and military leaders, U.S. and foreign officials said, stating that certain things have to happen in Pakistan to ensure Afghanistan’s security. If Pakistan cannot deliver, he warned, the United States may be impelled to use any means at its disposal to rout insurgents based along Pakistan’s western and southern borders with Afghanistan.
November 29th, 20099:26 pm
For Israel it’s worth the risk.
In my opinion, I believe the “allied” navies could handle it. These other guys (i.e., Iran) are extremely weaker than they tout. Remember Iraq? All talk and no walk.
November 29th, 20099:39 pm
I know my coaching staff sucks and I have made it quite clear. Same as I know our “president” sucks and I’ve made quite clear.
The results are the same, both teams are getting their asses kicked.
November 29th, 20099:42 pm
Everybody else knows they suck too, this is not fake science-
SAN FRANCISCO/CHICAGO, Nov 29 (Reuters) – U.S. consumers
spent significantly less per person at the start of the holiday
season this weekend, dimming hopes for a retail comeback that
would help propel the economy early in 2010.
And we do know what the solution is….
November 29th, 20099:44 pm
With the number of land based cruise missiles – Chinese made Silk Worms – a thousands of heavy artillery pieces, what could any navy do to stop the Iranians from blocking the Straits that are only 16 miles wide. As you know, most modern artillery pieces can easily span that distance.
As for Israel being willing to take the risk, it would not be in our best interest, therefore any “risk” taken by Israel is one that falls on our doorstep.
November 29th, 20099:48 pm
With the number of land based cruise missiles – Chinese made Silk Worms – a thousands of heavy artillery pieces, what could any navy do to stop the Iranians from blocking the Straits that are only 16 miles wide.
When they turn on their radars, they die.
A silkworm is anti ship, therefore the ship would launch it’s F-18 Hornets and make mincemeat out of the missile battery.
November 29th, 20099:52 pm
What about firing the missile from caves along the coast?
What about pulsing the radar? Turn it on, turn it off quickly just to pick up a target and let the missile use it’s radar?
Anti-ship means the missile is designed to stop shipping, not required to be on a ship to fire.
November 29th, 20099:53 pm
So, the Dubai collapse leads to more world wide bailouts.
Looks like the cards are still folding from the bush depression.
Good thing he is back to fight those pesky regulations to keep it from happening again.
Wait, what in the world is he thinking?
November 29th, 20099:56 pm
The computer-based command-and-decision element is the core of the Aegis Combat System. This interface makes the ACS capable of simultaneous operation against almost all kinds of threats. The Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System program is intended to enable the Aegis system to act in a Sea-based Ballistic Missile Defense function, to counter short- and medium-range ballistic missiles of the variety typically employed by a number of potential opponent states.
You better stay in your cave, Jaggie.
November 29th, 20099:59 pm
You forgot to mention the artillery pieces. With an estimated 1,000 artillery shells falling in the area and not being able to skirt the coast, what would any naval commander do to prevent his ship(s) from being destroyed?
Secondly, what oil carrier could obtain insurance to sail in those waters?
November 29th, 200910:01 pm
How many anti-missiles do you think any destroyer can carry?
What is the accuracy of those missiles?
It only takes one hit on a aircraft carrier to put the entire battle group at enormous risk; no planes to fly cover.
Come on Admiral, what is your plan?
November 29th, 200910:02 pm
To I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm! :
Thanks you sir for your 9:48 but in Jackie’s defense, he was a “leg” in the Cav. and may not be up to speed on Air Force and/or Naval capabilites.
Acutally, if they did try to stop the oil flow, this would be our excuse to clean their plow.
November 29th, 200910:05 pm
In your defense, you do not have a clue as to naval and Air Force capabilities.
How do YOU stop the artillery shells from raining down on your naval convoy?
Do you think any missile defense is 100% accurate?
If so, point out any one of them?
November 29th, 200910:07 pm
I’m glad you weren’t in command on D-Day or our troops would have never left the pubs in England.
November 29th, 200910:15 pm
I am glad that you weren’t a part of the forces during D-Day, as you would not have been able to leave the port with that load you are carrying in your pants.
Secondly, how do you know what I would have done about anything? I am point out what our options are; I do know when the call comes to “saddle up,” you f—ing saddle up, no if, no ands, no buts. FIRST TEAM, jarhead!
Third, here is a link for you to look at and understand what part of our naval capabilities are, know that what you read is only part of what the military makes public. Do you think you may be able to understand what their problems are?
November 29th, 200910:18 pm
Sorry about the link not posting. Here it is.
November 29th, 200910:19 pm
iamanutjob is toying with us knowing there will no attack to unite their country.
Silly cons, just another unintended consequence of the collapse and two nation building occupations.
You have done enough damage to the world cons.
Take a break on your warmongering and get ready for our collapse.
Shouldn’t ya’ll be organizing for a State to break away from the union or something?
November 29th, 200910:25 pm
At ease private Jackie, I’ll be in the company area all day.
“The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines. Lord, how they could fight!”
MGen. Frank E. Lowe, United States Army; Korea, 26 January 1952
“Why in hell can’t the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the same kind of men; why can’t they be like Marines.”
Gen. John J. “Black Jack” Pershing, United States Army; 12 February 1918
P.S. Don’t get your fatigues in a wad, I’m only funnin ya …………….
November 29th, 200910:29 pm
You love to talk about Marine history, ancient history at that. What would the Marines do if the were on a big float to stop the Iranians from firing in the Straits?
Let us be current with your agenda.
November 29th, 200910:31 pm
By the way, Gen. Jones (Marine Corps Commandant) has suggested that we do not attack Iran. If this man who has information, training and the Marine spirit, why do you think he would suggest that we do not attack?
November 29th, 200910:36 pm
Not our job unless we hear “Marines, prepare to disembark” or “Marines, stand-by to repel boarders”. Basically, Marines are assault troops. Our job is to close with and destroy the enemy as infantry riflemen. If given the orders, Marines will do what needs to be done.
…………… Prior to that it’s up up to the Air Force/Navy.
By the way ……….. as you know this is one of my favorites and is not all that “ancient” as you say ………….
“We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?”
Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., United States Army, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff
during the assault on Grenada, 1983
November 29th, 200910:38 pm
I am sure you are aware the Marines are tasked to take ground, the Army is tasked to maintain the ground.
Of course, you would carry out your orders, as would I!
November 29th, 200910:41 pm
“Former” Commandant ………. entitled to his opinion. By the way, I’m not saying we should attack them either. Let Israel take out their nuclear sites/capability. If Iran then ups the ante by closing the straits then we “keep them open”. Their call.
November 29th, 200910:44 pm
November 29th, 200910:46 pm
Israel has no chance of taking out the nuclear capabilities of Iran. They are not dealing with Iraq or Syria.
The problem lies in the fact that if anything is done adversely in that area, insurance rates go through the roof and the price of oil gets prohibitive. Economy is in the toilet again.
November 29th, 200910:55 pm
Some things are worth it …………… just ask past generations of Americans.
November 29th, 200911:18 pm
Chill, Jackie! Worst case scenarios have all be assessed.
Contingency plans are in place.
November 30th, 20095:19 am
Well, Hickabee’s goose is cooked-
In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after then-Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted Clemmons’ 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for the number of clemencies and commutations he granted, cited Clemmons’ age at the time of the sentence. -Urinal
Now he can become a democrat.
November 30th, 20096:01 am
“Acutally, if they did try to stop the oil flow, this would be our excuse to clean their plow.”
Another Neocon/chickenhawk from the 101st chairborne lays bare it’s true feelings…
Your “excuse” to go warmongering = American soldiers dying.
Why do chickenhawk “conservatives” hate America and American soldiers so much?
November 30th, 20096:38 am
Actually, Troll, if any one country did attempt to stop the flow of oil in that area against the wishes of those countries who wanted to sell their oil to us unhindered, it would constitute a threat to our national security and we would be justified in using any and all measures to get that flow started again. It has nothing to do with warmongering nor hating our soldiers, despite what you may mistakenly believe.
Of course, if you libs weren’t so against drilling in our own backyard to get all the oil and natural gas we need domestically, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, now would we?
November 30th, 20096:47 am
History teaches us that the decline of a society and the demise of a government comes with the institutionalization of corruption and a wanton disregard for the written law. Such is our situation today, wherein the states have become puppets of an all-powerful federal government that confiscates more and more private property while exerting increasing control over every aspect of our lives.
If we are to protect our society from despotism and decline, whose counsel should we then cherish? Should we abide by thousands of years of experience and the wisdom of history’s greatest philosophers — Polybius, Plato, Aristotle, Montesquieu, Locke, Jefferson, Adams and Madison among them? Men who understood the nature of a government’s despotic decline and sought to construct a system to counter it?
Or should we disregard their guidance and follow instead the Statist Socialists? Should we heed Steny Hoyer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama?
Fire all incumbants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 30th, 20096:56 am
“Of course, if you libs weren’t so against drilling in our own backyard to get all the oil and natural gas we need domestically, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, now would we?”
Yes, we would still be having it. Try educating yourself before spouting off idiocies. Our in-ground, known reserves of oil are JUST about enough to last us a year. and it would take about 10 years to actually get the drilling done, and get the oil “on-line” – and we would STILL run out in about a year. Do the math.
November 30th, 20097:00 am
The U.S. Postal Service was established in 1775 – you have had 234 years to get it right; it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935 – you have had 74 years to get it right; it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 – you have had 71 years to get it right; it is broke.
The “War on Poverty” started in 1964 – you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to “the poor”; it hasn’t worked and our entire country is broke.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 – you’ve had 44 years to get it right; they are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 – you have had 39 years to get it right; it is broke.
Trillions of dollars were spent in the massive political payoffs called TARP, the “Stimulus”, the Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009… none show any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new b***h: the American taxpayer.
“Cash for Clunkers” was established in 2009 and went broke in 2009! It took good dependable cars (that were the best some people could afford) and replaced them with high-priced and less-affordable cars, mostly Japanese. A good percentage of the profits went out of the country. And the American taxpayers take the hit for Congress’ generosity in burning three billion more of our dollars on failed experiments.
So with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that “services” you shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans to believe you can be trusted with a government-run health care system?
20% of our entire economy?
With all due respect,
Are you f-ing crazy?
Just in case you check in, number one, hope your holiday was restful, peaceful and full of the good things of life. Number two: the AJC’s Moderator has pulled its stunt again on the one that has been a bone of contention between me and you in the past. No unblocking or song and dance two-step necessary. It’s just funny now and makes for semi-interesting get-together conversation…
November 30th, 20097:17 am
Doggone, you’re not even close to the numbers on oil and natural gas numbers for North America. Go crawl back under your rock and sleep off the weekend binge.
November 30th, 20097:25 am
Do you want to see what a corrupt centralized authority does? Google “Grove Park Plaza”.
As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.
The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can’t afford to live anywhere else.
But it’s not safe to live here.
About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale – a score so bad the buildings now face demolition.
Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama’s close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama’s constituents suffered.
a community organizer, Obama’s a hell of a public speaker.
The poor people living here have gotten the shaft from Obama and his developer buddies. And the mainstream media couldn’t care less.
I guess like all good lefties, Obama measures INTENTIONS, not RESULTS. And it doesn’y hurt to make money off of the good intentions.
November 30th, 20097:34 am
Jesse “The Wall-eyed Basturd” Jackson will be in Atlanta today promoting free housing giveaways for those who purchased more than they could afford on their ARM and interest only loans.
Kick em to the curb Mr Banker-Man.
November 30th, 20097:43 am
too all my fellow Scottish Bookmaniacs … Happy St. Andrew’s Day!!
(now, go eat some haggis!)
November 30th, 20097:46 am
And deep fried Mars bars…
November 30th, 20097:49 am
“Doggone, you’re not even close to the numbers on oil and natural gas numbers for North America”
Absolutely correct…because *I* never mentioned natural gas, only oil. Try improving your reading comprehension before you advise someone to crawl under rocks.
November 30th, 20097:52 am
Drill baby drill!!!
Oh wait, Jeb didn’t want us drilling off the coast of Fla because it would create eyesores…
That pantywaisted, squishy liberal Jeb…
NIMBY seems to affect “conservatives” as well, eh….
RT – you sound like a true Glaswegian!
November 30th, 20097:58 am
yosef- Relax, global warming will inundate Grove Parc with 20′ of water and rampant stray icebergs, which should clean all of the filth out of it, thus reducing the democrat party’s reelection liability.
Think positive, dearie.
November 30th, 20098:12 am
MR. PRESIDENT, DO NOT SEND MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN! BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
November 30th, 20098:14 am
Today is last vacation day…Yay and Boo…if you know what I mean…
Good Morning, everybody!
November 30th, 20098:18 am
good morning, Normal … did you have a good vacay with your familia??
November 30th, 20098:20 am
USinUK, Oh, Yes! One of the best! There was a lot of love. Enough to go around two times!
November 30th, 20098:30 am
November 30th, 2009
Jay, what Josef is really trying to say is F the moderator and free expression of opinion. Especially about the War of Northern Aggression.
We are all adults here and most of us are amateur historians. Josef and some others here are fonts of good information. Let it be so…just sayin’
November 30th, 20099:17 am
Rightwing Trolls :
“Chickenhawk” unless I have already been there and done that ….. which I have ……… how about you?
By the way ……… did you read the book “Chickenhawk”? It’s excellent.
November 30th, 200910:35 am
Negative, had better things to do.
Your service is to be commended and saluted to the highest degree, so forgive me when I say it does not give you the moral authority foment war on those you simply disagree with.
And if war is to be had, I’d just as soon those who’ve experienced it be the ones who decide if the cause is just and honorable to send American soldiers in harm’s way.
I will not be supporting Obama’s decision to send more troops to Afghanistan, unless he can tell me (and make me believe) what our objective is there and how fast the troops come home once the objective is met. We didn’t start this war, and we blew the chance to capture or neutralize the prime target. Now Policing the Taliban and protecting Pakistan is not a good enough reason to continue on. If the Afgani want to live under the Taliban, let them, only when the people have have had enough will the Taliban be overthrown.
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