8:57 am November 26, 2009, by Jay
I hope everyone has a great day, surrounded by friends, family and bountiful food.
November 27th, 20096:19 pm
K’chak??? Is that you?
Nope. Le petit caporal has done the name change thing again.
I did leave you a shoe related message here
Angry Black Man
November 27th, 20096:20 pm
May I chime in?
The earlier discussion on Christianity and people’s beliefs did not to appear as mockery in my personal opinion. I saw it as a intelligent discussion about the meanings and teachings of Christianity. Let me say that I did not read every post because work got busy, and when I got off work, Alabama was playing.
That said, why is it that no one broaches mockery when there is blatant mockery of Islam here? Is this not the country that espouses FREEDOM. And according to the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment:
“Congress shal make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the FREE EXERCISE thereof…”
Whenever Christianity is discussed, there’s a quick backlash about bashing, mockery, etc..
But when other Religions are outright bashed, not a peep from the “freedom” crowd. No matter how you try to spin it, if you want to protect your freedoms and call out people who mock you, you should also protect those who are mocked. After all, if you’re being mocked or bashed, you already know what it feels like. Why would you sit back and watch someone else go thru the same experience without raising even a slight protest?
November 27th, 20096:23 pm
……………. and you are also free to make up your own false Gospel.
November 27th, 20096:24 pm
Well, some of us do raise that question.
November 27th, 20096:25 pm
I’m simply amused by how you liberals? progressives? like to get in here and bash fundamentalists…. evangelicals….whatever, among yourselves. I’ve never understood why you feel the need to.
It’s like I’ve said on many occasions….nothing you say will alter my faith. It’s out of your reach. You can call me pious, fanatical, hypocritical. I’ll go on without your blessings.
November 27th, 20096:27 pm
Good for you. It’s good to see you won’t deny what I wrote earlier about your Christian bashing claims and “liberals think [insert here]” claims. Just a little much for you huh? At least you have an inkling of credibility left.
November 27th, 20096:28 pm
“and you are also free to make up your own false Gospel”
And you are not the judge of what is correct and what is not.
K’chak–not coming up here but was it the Freudian slippers? I want a pair of them! Not to worry, knew it wasn’t you, just somebody trying to steal your thunder!
November 27th, 20096:29 pm
The basic problem is stated below. Generational government dependents — multiple children and a single parent!!!!
By LINDSEY TANNER, The Associated Press, 3:30 p.m. Friday, November 27, 2009
CHICAGO — The estimate was startling, and made headlines around the country: Almost half of all U.S. kids will be on food stamps at some time during childhood.
How could it be true in the land of plenty, in the midst of an obesity epidemic, skeptics wondered.
You are also making up your own Gospel on “judging”.
Matthew 18:15-17 (Judging)
“Jesus said, moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.”
November 27th, 20096:30 pm
“And you are not the judge of what is correct and what is not.”
Well, he is according to his own beliefs…that just doesn’t mean he’s right!
November 27th, 20096:31 pm
Correct sir. That’s why I provide you with God’s word (not mine) via scripture. There are a lot of passages in the Bible that I don’t like but I don’t get to make the rules.
If you were to review some of my previous posts, I’ve taken the opportunity to acknowledge friends who follow the faith of Islam. Don’t find my friends beliefs to be radical in any way. Conservatives here never call me on the carpet for having done so.
November 27th, 20096:35 pm
If I am not mistaken, this is Jesus citing the Jewish law requiring these testifiers in a case of the accusation of “bearing false witness…”
November 27th, 20096:36 pm
“That’s why I provide you with God’s word (not mine) via scripture”
No, you provided me with the words that someone else SAID were the word’s of God. I am not a believer in the infallibility of the bible…just so you’ll know. There’s too much in there that is contradictory for it to be infallible.
November 27th, 20096:37 pm
At least you have an inkling of credibility left.
Where’s the evidence that my thinking is somehow boxed in? You’ve claimed it….now prove it! And why do you feel the need to bash?
With all that’s going on in the world, you pick fundamentalists as the issue you most like to discuss?
November 27th, 20096:38 pm
Before this gets too deep, or maybe to make it deeper…one of my overriding beliefs is that you should never question God, but you should ALWAYS question those who profess to speak FOR God.
November 27th, 20096:42 pm
“you pick fundamentalists as the issue you most like to discuss?”
Now you resort to lying.
I have been known to criticize fundamentalists. I dont’ like them. Now, will you please admit that you make blanket statements such as “liberals think [insert here]” and save the inkling of credibility you have left?
November 27th, 20096:45 pm
Now, will you please admit that you make blanket statements such as “liberals think [insert here]” and save the inkling of credibility you have left?
Good grief! When are you going to offer proof that my thinking comes boxed?
November 27th, 20096:47 pm
With all due respect and moving into the deeper end of the theological pool…if we do not question G-d, how will we get answers? Isn’t that the business G-d is in, offering answers?
I happen to believe that if God came to this earth (and I believe that He did in the person of Christ) that He was also big enough to make sure the “Word” He left behind is accurate. But as always …………. it’s your choice.
Maybe this will help ………………
November 27th, 20096:49 pm
Not to enter into yours and Bosch’s fracas, but I will be the first to say your thinking is not boxed. Neither is his. There’s something else at work here, I know not what, but then I’m still new around these parts…
November 27th, 20096:53 pm
Okay, so you deny that you don’t frequently make statements that involve the word “liberals think”? Change the subject or dodge – it makes no difference to me.
“if we do not question G-d, how will we get answers? Isn’t that the business G-d is in, offering answers?”
but the question, to me, is how often are we REALLY questioning God and how often are we actually questioning those who speak for God? It comes down to the quote you used early about being still and knowing God. There is very little I question about God and God’s “doing”…but there is a LOT that I question about how people explain and interpret those doings.
November 27th, 20096:54 pm
Gotcha! The Protestant Reformed Church…that puts the needed persepective on it…thank you.
November 27th, 20096:55 pm
“it’s your choice”
That’s right, I make use of my free will to question what I was taught to see if I think it matches up with what Jesus taught by the way he lived his life. Too often, it does not. And in that case, I search for a better explanation that what I was taught.
November 27th, 20096:56 pm
Nothing personal, but I get tired of people stepping in between Bosch and I. It makes it too easy for him to avoid his false claims against me. He’s gotten too many passes.
November 27th, 20096:57 pm
Doggone @ 6:53– I agree wholeheartedly with you there…if I wanted answers from man, I would ask man and, since G-d is personal, the answer H- gives me may not be the one H- gives you and vice-versa.
November 27th, 20096:59 pm
I’ll refrain in the future, then.
November 27th, 20097:00 pm
Can you list, for me, those liberals who have gained my favor. Not my vote, but my favor…and why?
Not liberals here on the blog. The pundits and politicians. Do you ever really read anything I type?
November 27th, 20097:01 pm
I wish you well in your search.
“the answer H- gives me may not be the one H- gives you and vice-versa”
Yes, indeed. God speaks to each of us individually, but it’s up to us to try to hear that voice. Not everyone can hear it, and not everyone can accept that the voice they hear is not the voice someone else hears.
Time for a break! I’m off for a while.
“I wish you well in your search.”
And I appreciate your well wishes.
November 27th, 20097:03 pm
Okay, so you deny that you don’t frequently make statements that involve the word “liberals think”?
You mean something like this?
November 27th, 20097:04 pm
“Can you list, for me, those liberals who have gained my favor. Not my vote, but my favor…and why?
Not liberals here on the blog. The pundits and politicians. Do you ever really read anything I type?”
AGAIN, dodge the question. Me getting passes? Please.
But AmVet called you on your boxed in thinking a few days ago:
“@@, you indict ONE man for ONE lapse of judgment with this blanket accusation:
“…dems pull this sorta stuff all the time.”
Now Richardson is guilty for ALL of the sins of ALL of the people you disapprove of. Or find hypocritical. Or whatever.
And in so doing you completely, totally ignore and discount a lifetime’s worth of work on behalf of LGBT justice.”
November 27th, 20097:05 pm
Doggone–a little sidelight here, but looking back over your posts, I know why I like you so much…you always put in phrases like “…to me…,” “…the way I see it…,” “…in my opinion…,” “…the way I learned it…” It makes discussion so much easier and so much more enjoyable…somebody raised you right!
Jesus, the Jesus talk has taken Friday night hostage.
The only REALLY worthwhile thing I’ve read tonight is:
“Whenever Christianity is discussed, there’s a quick backlash about bashing, mockery, etc..
But when other Religions are outright bashed, not a peep from the “freedom” crowd.”
That says it all.
Otherwise, like the old four corner basketball, b-o-o-o-ring, b-o-o-o-ring.
I will not be part of it.
Later Christians and heathens…
November 27th, 20097:06 pm
Oh, and here’s a good one @@,
“The Democratic party uses people to secure political power. Causes are nothing more than the blunt instruments they prefer.”
November 27th, 20097:09 pm
Well, I’ll say this much…I do remember who came to “my” defense when I wasn’t around during snicker-snicker day on the blog…
November 27th, 20097:10 pm
I don’t do emoticons. That was a response (in humor) to RW.
You’re still a turnip. Do you plan on remaining one forever?
August 17th, 2009
“Accidentally posted?” You are being kind Jay. She was so delighted about it she couldn’t shut up.
August 17th, 2009
There is no conflict with my assertions. She delightedly posted about the transaction without thinking about the consequences.
August 17th, 2009
Jay—forget it. Even if you were to post the one that I didn’t send, she still wouldn’t remember.
“The biggest religious discussions today are made in churches and I don’t believe many of you ever attend.”
As a long-time church attendee, I have to disagree with your assessment, Dusty. What I experienced in church would be more accurately described as listening to a lecture. Even in a Sunday School setting, one person typically takes on the role of a “teacher”, such that true back-and-forth conversation between equals never takes place. Over the years, I’ve gotten far more out of impromptu chats with “regular” folks, who can often enrich the discussion with facts from history, as happened this morning.
November 27th, 20097:11 pm
AmVET–well, since I couldn’t make it shul!
November 27th, 20097:12 pm
“Do you know what the age of accountability is for children under Islamic law? It’s 15 for boys…9 for girls. If a 9 year-old girl is caught stealing (something many of our kids do…candy…trinkets, etc.) four fingers are removed from her right hand. That’s for the first offense. Second offense? Her left foot is removed. Prison for the third, and death for the fourth.
The 9 year-old boy. He goes scott free. He only becomes accountable once he reaches the age of 15.”
I guess that applies to ALL Muslims?
November 27th, 20097:14 pm
Thank you for proving my point. Just sayin’.
November 27th, 20097:17 pm
Was telling you earlier in the week I had one for you tonight…I have no idea why I think of you when I hear it, but I do…
I’ll stand by ^^^ that one until my dying day. Too many causes left unaddressed. Too many promises unfulfilled.
Dangling carrots so that they can pummel the opposing party with their sticks.
Ralph Nader sought the backing of a loony group of Newmanites. A cult, if you will.
Bill Richardson made a disparaging comment while promoting the cause of those he disparaged?
I’ll hang with those too.
Sincerity is important to me.
November 27th, 20097:19 pm
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family as well as to everyone on this blog. God bless you and to all. May you all find happiness and peace throughout this wonderful holiday season and beyond.
November 27th, 20097:20 pm
“Yes, indeed. God speaks to each of us individually, but it’s up to us to try to hear that voice. Not everyone can hear it, and not everyone can accept that the voice they hear is not the voice someone else hears.”
You may be pleased to know that Science fully backs your understanding, Doggone. Ultimately, due to our limited powers of perception and our limited personal experiences in life, each of us ends up “knowing” a very small piece of the puzzle. Kind of like the 6 blind men and the elephant. As such, the “truth” we come to is unique to our perspective. I’ve found that embracing that fact alone has made my life much simpler.
November 27th, 20097:21 pm
Thank you for proving my point. Just sayin’.
Confessions are good for the soul. Am I to assume you have none you wanna make, on that topic at least?
I’m really not interested in any others you may be withholding.
In the words of the late Rev. Ron Long–”You can be sincere-ah, but you can be sincerely wrong.”
Oh and this is classic:
“I DO enjoy your posts re: perpetual racism within the Democratic party. It’s why I’ve distanced myself from them. I get frustrated when I see how they use minorities for their political advantage.”
November 27th, 20097:23 pm
“somebody raised you right!”
Thanks! And I value your good opinion. I do try not to speak as a voice for others…which, I’m sure you’ve also noticed, is why I object so strongly to someone else “speaking” for ME!
Even with a challenge to show boxed in thinking……….@@ keeps demonstrating it.
Nothing to back up claims. Carry on.
November 27th, 20097:24 pm
November 27th, 20097:25 pm
“Was telling you earlier in the week I had one for you tonight…I have no idea why I think of you when I hear it, but I do…”
Awesome, josef. Very uplifting. I’m much more morose.
November 27th, 20097:26 pm
The blind men and the elephant–one of the wisest parables of all time! I use it with my kids at school…amazing how quick they “get it…”
“I’ve found that embracing that fact alone has made my life much simpler”
Yes, for me too. And it applies to more than religion…even in things like science, no one person, not even one discipline has ALL the answers.
November 27th, 20097:29 pm
And as you know, I value yours. I’ll even change my jug-eared ways for you!
Bruno–you? Morose? Never! Introspective, yes, but not morose…
November 27th, 20097:35 pm
“Paul said, “But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife” (2 Tim. 2:23).”
Bosch, @@ ^^^^^^^
November 27th, 20097:36 pm
Damn, Bosch. Wasn’t it you who said this was an opinion site. Those are my opinions of the Democratic Party.
Now….about your individual assessment of ME. Where’s the proof of my theological box?
In your frustration, you pull up a bunch of opinions I have as they pertain to the Democratic Party?
November 27th, 20097:37 pm
“Morose? Never! Introspective, yes, but not morose…”
It can be a fine line at times:
November 27th, 20097:41 pm
Is that your way of confessing you were sincerely wrong on the night in question?
Surely, you can do better than that.
November 27th, 20097:42 pm
“Damn, Bosch. Wasn’t it you who said this was an opinion site. Those are my opinions of the Democratic Party. ”
This wasn’t a challenge of your theological box, it was one of your boxed in thinking. Done. I never challenge a person’s theology.
November 27th, 20097:46 pm
And again, no denial about the “Christian bashing” claim. Pathetic, even for you.
November 27th, 20097:47 pm
When I think of the 80s, josef, this song always comes to mind:
November 27th, 20097:48 pm
Another one who knows how to walk that thin line…
November 27th, 20097:49 pm
Kamchak–At least join our Remember the 80s, will ya?
November 27th, 20097:55 pm
If you wanna talk ‘80, then this album can not be overlooked:
November 27th, 20097:56 pm
November 27th, 20097:57 pm
In this season of Thanksgiving:
God, I love the YouTube.
November 27th, 20097:58 pm
A text out of context is no text …………..
Paul was talking to fellow believers …….. members in the church ……. not discussions between believers and unbelievers.
BRUNO..me and the 80s, got two if it’ll let me post two…
saw them at Lakewood—one of the best concerts ever…even if was raining…watching the audience…some of everybody, in front of us was three generations of the same family…to the right a bag lady who was much the friend of those around for her proffering of protection from the elements…
November 27th, 20097:59 pm
Earlier in the evening you said you considered me a fundie because my thinking was somehow restricted….narrow-minded. When you talk about fundamentalists, it’s usually in the theological sense.
There’s proof to the contrary. Are ‘ya gonna go find it or just launch the claim.
I admitted that your bashing amuses me. I asked why you engaged in it. Your response was because I don’t like ‘em or something to that effect.
So are you refusing to look because it’s easier to label without offering proof? Or is it because you just don’t like me?
I can live with you not liking me. It’s your lack of evidence that leaves me coming back.
josef–Heading out for dinner. Let me leave you with a box of rain:
“It’s all a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago……”
November 27th, 20098:01 pm
“A text out of context is no text …………..”
In case you didn’t notice, it was fully intended to be taken out of context.
November 27th, 20098:02 pm
Ain’t YouTube grand?
And Tom Petty–another of my heroes…
November 27th, 20098:06 pm
Remember the 80’s? For God’s sake why?
OK–one of my faves
“Can’t pretend that growing older never hurts.”
I am only now beginning to appreciate that line.
Like ………. “lay hands suddenly on no man” ?
I never challenge a person’s theology.
No? You just ridicule it. Even I don’t do that without someone else having done it first.
I see it as an invitation to dance.
November 27th, 20098:08 pm
Don’t try to challenge me again. I posted your own words to demonstrate your boxed in thinking. Enough.
There in lies your biggest weakness. You THINK you know people. I never questioned your theological perspective. YOU took it to mean that, not me.
“When you talk about fundamentalists, it’s usually in the theological sense.”
Yes, but in your case tonight, I wasn’t. I question theology on a general scale, not on an individual basis. I never once questioned what you believe, nor will I ever. I take the high road on that. You believe what you want. I believe what I want.
I offered just a few of your posts which I consider demonstrate your boxed in thinking. I don’t know what you believe theologically, nor do I care, nor will I ever question it. That was not your original challenge.
I must admit, your challenges amuse me, one because they are so easy, and two you are so easily manipulated by YOUR OWN WORDS and you don’t even realize it!!! LOL!!!
November 27th, 20098:10 pm
Dance away bitch.
November 27th, 20098:13 pm
Yes, but in your case tonight, I wasn’t.
So it’s convenient, for the sake of your argument, to change boats in midstream. Only for you, Bosch….only for you.
Go sit by the wall. Maybe you can blend in with the paper.
Why the ’80s? Well, number one, we got through it intact! And number two, there was some really good music to take our minds off it…got my ’80s station on as we post….
November 27th, 20098:17 pm
The “B” word makes it past the censor? I’ll have to remember that….not that I’d ever use it.
November 27th, 20098:21 pm
Bruno’s gone, refero’s in the concordance, K’chak has joined the Bosch @@ set-to and I’m feeling all left out…are there any…
Yes, it makes it past the censor. Remember, use it, whatever, dance with it. Embrace it.
I’m not changing boats in midstream, I’ve done my part on keeping you on task. And considering you shift topics to avoid your own challenges – it’s tough.
November 27th, 20098:24 pm
And there was really bad music like this and this
Don’t feel left out – here’s another good 80s band – after U2, the best:
November 27th, 20098:28 pm
If you wanna go a little past the 80s into the early 90s, you get beauties like this:
November 27th, 20098:29 pm
You haven’t done anything but prove that you can’t or won’t back up your claims. It’s easier for you to say……
Ahoy, matey! Got room in that leaky boat for me? Mine’s got a hole in it!
Too funny, Bosch…..too funny!
Sail on! The wind comes out your ass-umptions.
“Employed with Planned Parenthood for eight years, Johnson, the 2008 employee of the year for Planned Parenthood’s southeast Texas region, says she was put under duress by her employer in August when her clinic was economically pressured to perform more abortions to raise profits. After recently being required to assist in an ultrasound-guided abortion procedure which she observed on screen, Johnson decided to resign.
Johnson says she changed her view about abortion after seeing the pre-born child–of 13 weeks–in the ultrasound curl away from the abortion instrument inserted to end his or her life. She has since accepted employment with the Brazos Valley Coalition for Life, a community-based Christian pro-life organization.”
November 27th, 20098:31 pm
LOL!! I gues to their mothers, that was considered music! Too funny…
November 27th, 20098:34 pm
And let us please forget New Kids on the Block
November 27th, 20098:36 pm
rq – can’t you guys ever post anything NEW? That was posted here AT LEAST 2 weeks ago, if not more, and several times since.
November 27th, 20098:37 pm
I have to give it to you…still showing up after I accepted your challenge and demonstrated your boxed in thinking……….schadenfreude – that’s what my grandmother called it. LOL!!!
But yeah, you’re right, it’s easier for me to say….it’s much easier for people to read and they can make their own decisions.
“Ass-umptions” Good one. You could just call me an “ass” and get it over with.
November 27th, 20098:39 pm
BOSCH @ 8:24
Will have to go with you on that when it comes to “serious…” Sandinista… was flying in to Managua one night, the lights had been turned out at the airport due to an attack earlier in the day…hit an air pocket while circling…talk about preparing to meet the M*ker…!
November 27th, 20098:41 pm
K’chak–have to agree, there was some really, really bad stuff, too!
Hey Doggone! What ‘cha wanna talk about?
November 27th, 20098:43 pm
More bad stuff
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