8:57 am November 26, 2009, by Jay
I hope everyone has a great day, surrounded by friends, family and bountiful food.
November 27th, 200912:31 pm
That story from Letters made me stop and think, too, that one and the p*ssing on the wall one, “what kind of G-d is that? Half of them couldn’t p*ss on the wall even if they wanted to!”
We had a rabbi when I was in college whose sermon was on the line from Fiddler when Tevye says to G-d “would it spoil some vast, eternal plan, if I were a wealthy man?” He laid out various scenarios of what might have happened had Tevye’s “wish” been granted, a sort of Jewish “Christmas Carol…”
November 27th, 200912:32 pm
BINGO! Back on top!
“I hit the switch just one more time and they started up, and ran the entire time until I got home. Miracle accompolished!”
I dated one lady who would thank Jesus if the traffic light turned green at just the right time. Finally I asked her what about the folks coming the other direction whose light just turned red? Did Jesus not love them?
November 27th, 200912:33 pm
I’m a day late and a dollar short but on the important stuffing versus dressing question, I’m firlmy in the dressing camp, as some of you might have guessed.
“I just don’t like to think of “God” that way – that somehow it is required to beg.”
I know what you mean…and so many of those “beggers” will also say they believe God is all-knowing, but can’t explain why – if he’s all-knowing – it’s necessary to pray in the first place. Shouldn’t it, in that case, be like the ad: “Psychics wanted – you know who to call”?
November 27th, 200912:36 pm
WW – per your Luke quote…remember that Luke COULD read and write, and he wrote many years after Jesus died. Being educated, it might not have been apparent to him that Jesus might not have been. In other words, he spoke from HIS experience. It’s not a given that he spoke from Jesus’s experience.
November 27th, 200912:37 pm
Doggone–A musical tribute in honor of your”miracle”:
November 27th, 200912:39 pm
Unmentionable is a pisces…that’s him alright…he claims Jesus WAS a pisces, and how does he know? Jesus told him so!
Doggone–you asked G-d to get you home safe. The repair man asked for business. Both prayers answered in one act on the part of the Alm-ighty…and yes, I know there are those who would question our hijinks concerning the Et-rnal today, but I do believe H- has a sense of humor. Again, as Granddaddy said, “well, H- created us, didn’t H-?”
wet wiccan–Ah! Thanks for the quote… I’m not as familiar with the New Testament as I should be…
November 27th, 200912:40 pm
Thanks Bruno…haven’t heard that one in a long time!
November 27th, 200912:41 pm
“I’m not as familiar with the New Testament as I should be…”
You’re not missing much, josef. (ducking flying Bibles)
November 27th, 200912:43 pm
Relative to the nature of G-d and man in the Jewish tradition versus the Christian and Muslim–we are not only allowed to get angry with and argue with G-d, we are expected to. It helps to vent the angst and often when G-d yells back…
“Doggone–you asked G-d to get you home safe”
I did, but not conciously. All I did was think “I’m REALLY scared” – and hit the switch and the wipers worked. Which just goes to show that I can’t fake sincerity, but I AM capable of it!
November 27th, 200912:46 pm
Somebody once asked Unmentionable what the difference was between Southern Christians and others, he said “well, you know Southerners do everything backward. We start reading the Bible with Revelation and work backward. We know how it turns out and don’t try to change things…”
November 27th, 200912:48 pm
“It helps to vent the angst and often when G-d yells back…”
Sure. If God didn’t want to be questioned…why did he give mankind a questioning mind?
November 27th, 200912:49 pm
Probably the most religious people I know are gamblers. “Please, Lord, just let this guy hit a nine one more time, and I’ll never ask for another favor ever again……”
November 27th, 200912:50 pm
Flipping the switch–the leprechaun from the hedge school used to say, “you’re supposed to be asking G-d for help. That doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to get up off you sorry a** and do something instead of sittin’ there waiting for G-d to do it for you…”
I missed the discussion the other day about Adam and Eve, but wanted to share a couple of quotes relevant to that.
“Your God person puts an apple tree in the middle of a garden and says, do what you like guys, oh, but don’t eat the apple. Surprise surprise, they eat it and he leaps out from behind a bush shouting ‘Gotcha.’ It wouldn’t have made any difference if they hadn’t eaten it.”
“Because if you’re dealing with somebody who has the sort of mentality which likes leaving hats on the pavement with bricks under them you know perfectly well they won’t give up. They’ll get you in the end.”
– Douglas Adams, “The Restaurant at the End of the Universe”
Adam was but human—this explains it all. He did not want the apple for the apple’s sake; he wanted it only because it was forbidden. The mistake was in not forbidding the serpent; then he would have eaten the serpent.
– Mark Twain, “Pudd’nhead Wilson”; from Pudd’nhead Wilson’s Calendar
DANG! I missed USinUK again!
November 27th, 200912:52 pm
“He did not want the apple for the apple’s sake; he wanted it only because it was forbidden. ”
There is a lot to be said re: the wise selection of our taboos, ww.
November 27th, 200912:53 pm
Was playing cards one p.m. and, off the cuff let out one of those “G-d willing” ones, to which Unmentionable, played, raked in the pot and said, “H- ain’t listenin’ to the Christ Killers.” And says after tallying his take, “what a friend we have in Jesus!”
Doggone – that verse in Luke WAS talking about Jesus. He was the one who stood up to read.
Angry Black Man
November 27th, 200912:54 pm
“and roast beast with horseradish is proof of a kind and loving god”
and Beer is a sign that G*d loves us and wants us to be happy
Good religious discussion going on. Although, according to some of the Conservatives here, all y’all Liberals want to do is bash Christians and Christianity. So quit the discussing, and get to the bashing already. You know Conservatives are never wrong.
And a little musical selection to help get y’all through the afternoon.
November 27th, 200912:56 pm
“And says after tallying his take, “what a friend we have in Jesus!”
I’ll have to try that one sometime. Too funny, jo.
“That doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to get up off you sorry a** and do something instead of sittin’ there waiting for G-d to do it for you…”
Like the people trapped on their roof by a flood. A guy in a canoe comes by to save them, and they refuse…because “God will save us.” Then an emergency crew comes in a power boat, and again they refuse because “God will save us.” Then a helicoptor crew tries to save them, and they refuse because “God will save us.” And the water rises and they drown…and when they get to heaven they want to know why God didn’t save them. And St Peter said “We sent you 2 boats and a helicoptor, what more did you want?”
Another of Unmentionable’s. “G-d is an Indian. ‘the L-rd giveth and the L-rd taketh away, Indian G*ver beeth the name of the L-rd.’”
November 27th, 200912:58 pm
Bruno@ 12:32 –
I’m going out on a limb here, but ya’ll didn’t date too long after that I’ll bet.
I always get a kick out of those here who throw out “Christian bashing” – what they really mean is “OMG!! You think different than me and my tiny little brain can not compute!! You CAN’T be a Christian!!!!” Jesus has always been just alright with me!!
November 27th, 200912:59 pm
What time does the Iron Bowl start?
“Doggone – that verse in Luke WAS talking about Jesus. He was the one who stood up to read”
WW – hasn’t our discussion to date shown you that you need to understand the difference in something written ABOUT Jesus, and something said BY Jesus. Luke was not a child in the same village as Jesus, he didn’t KNOW that Jesus could read, he ASSUMED it because he, Luke, could read.
We actually have no written eye-witness accounts of Jesus childhood.
November 27th, 20091:00 pm
“I’m going out on a limb here, but ya’ll didn’t date too long after that I’ll bet.”
Fortunately, she was a Pisces…….
Bosch I think you have that prayer/energy thing right.
My fianl paper on Christianity in Religions class was entitled “Jesus Rides the Tao” and sent my fundie teacher into the nethers.
Too many people view prayer as a PIN number to some cosmic cash machine, or to handicap today’s football game.
Our joke at church when someone said “I’ll pray for you” was to mutter “Gee, thanks a lot.”
But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night as a result of it is something else altogether.
Signed, a Gemini
November 27th, 20091:01 pm
“Fortunately, she was a Pisces…….”
I’m sooo glad, the other Bosch never felt that way, even after 20 years.
November 27th, 20091:02 pm
“We actually have no written eye-witness accounts of Jesus childhood.”
Thankfully there were plenty of painters around. Otherwise we wouldn’t know what Jesus even looked like.
November 27th, 20091:03 pm
Love that one. One of my favorites: there was a mother who had no food for her children. She knelt by the fireplace and asked G-d to send her food. A bunch of mean little boys looking through the window saw and went and brought back some bread, climbed on the roof and threw it down the chimney. The woman began thanking G-d and the little boys told her what they had done and it wasn’t G-d. She responded, “well, the devil may have brought it, but the L-rd sent it.”
Hard to believe, ain’t it? Who’d've thunk it. And my part of my fambly claims G-d lives in Tuscaloosa…
November 27th, 20091:04 pm
that want to, do. Them that don’t want to, discuss to death.
“Otherwise we wouldn’t know what Jesus even looked like.”
Yep, and he “looked” so many ways! Actually, in a weird way, this reminds me of Lincoln’s response to being called “two-faced”: “If I was two-faced, would I be wearing this one?”
November 27th, 20091:05 pm
“But to hold someone so close in your thoughts, in a stream of love, and actually have it wake them up in the middle of the night as a result of it is something else altogether.”
I thought that was called being horny.
Doggone @ 11:36 So laborer became carpenter. We do like to romanticize our legends and heros.
I agree Jesus was Pisces. They do so love to be martyrs.
November 27th, 20091:07 pm
Afternoon everybody. Have I mentioned recently how much I enjoy cleaning the gutters?
Damn, that job just plain old-fashioned sucks!
“Good religious discussion going on.”
So ABM, it is too early to begin this year’s War On Christmas yet?! (Or do we have to wait until the combat hardened William O’Lie-lly sounds the alarm first?)
B, I was looking for some stuff on my birth state and kind of stumbled on this “discovery”. I guess I had heard of them, but never took a listen. The harmonies are pretty sweet and remind me a bit of Brewer & Shipley…
Josef…yes, that’s a good one too!
November 27th, 20091:08 pm
“We do like to romanticize our legends and heros.”
Yes, we certainly do…and in the process we tend to destroy the essence of their message too, not just their memory.
November 27th, 20091:09 pm
AmVet, only when it is cold and wet… or a sunny hot summer day. But yeah, cold wet slimey leaves are nasty.
November 27th, 20091:11 pm
“Too many people view prayer as a PIN number to some cosmic cash machine…”
G-d I wish I’d said that! Can I quote you?
A gemini, eh? That makes eight of us!
Bruno–how else would we know he was blonde and blue-eyed? My “second mama,” Doris K, used to call me her Botacelli Christ!
November 27th, 20091:12 pm
AmVet – I am glad you showed up. I read on another thread that you are from Kansas. I was born and raised in Wichita. Are you from anywhere near there? Small world ain’t it?
November 27th, 20091:14 pm
On a funny note, a few years ago my sister and I were cleaning out the barn and found the light-up Nativity set my parents used to stick in the yard in the ’70s.
Mary had blond hair, and was quite fair.
I guess Sears Roebuck didn’t spend much time thinking about what Jesus might have looked like.
You were talking birth signs earlier and I thought I’d throw mine out there Aquarius with sagittarius rising (moon). Explains a lot, huh?
My Drift Factor is 10.
November 27th, 20091:15 pm
With all the Geminis here, it is a wonder there is ever any coherent conversation. Y’all must be exceptional specimens.
IRS=Iranian Revenue Service?
Shirin Ebadi Nobel Peace Prize medal ’seized by Iran’
November 27th, 20091:16 pm
I’m Aquarian too, Normal, but Gemini rising.
“The harmonies are pretty sweet and remind me a bit of Brewer & Shipley…”
Nice selection. I remain open to “new” artists, but for me the music died in Aug, 1995.
I ran across this interesting piece while tromping around youtube. The Beatles meet Pink Floyd:
November 27th, 20091:17 pm
“I agree Jesus was Pisces. They do so love to be martyrs.”
Don’t they just!
Oh, you poor geminis married to a pisces! You have my sympathy! That blasted bunc “feels” everything and wouldn’t think if they had to…and the worst part of it is, they’re generally right!
November 27th, 20091:18 pm
A gemini, eh? That makes eight of us!
Ahem–make that ten.
“I guess Sears Roebuck didn’t spend much time thinking about what Jesus might have looked like.”
Probably not…but they knew to a T what their customers THOUGHT he should look like.
November 27th, 20091:19 pm
Gale, I’m Feb. 16 and my wife is Feb. 17
wet wiccan, wow!
St. Josephs Hospital in Wichita. And on top of that, I was born on January 29th – the day Kansas was admitted to the Union! (Not the same year smart asses!)
I spent my first 16 years living in Sedgwick and Sumner counties.
November 27th, 20091:20 pm
“Ahem–make that ten.” I can’t believe I just now got why you all kept adding two. And I’m the astrologer. Duh!
November 27th, 20091:21 pm
Doggone you are so right. I took custody of the set, and rectified things with a Marks-a-lot.
November 27th, 20091:22 pm
What’s worse is a Taurus married to a Pisces. The other Bosch DEMANDS my martyrdom!
@@ always said I was wishy washy. She has no idea. I can’t help I was born under a water sign.
November 27th, 20091:23 pm
I don’t know if I got it right – I know what works in my head.
November 27th, 20091:24 pm
Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing.
Coherent conversation? Well, that depends on your definition of coherent…even when talking to myself we know what we’re talking about!
Me? Gemini, Saggitarius rising and stellium of five planets (including moon) in Cancer…not gooood!
(But Mars in Capricorn, so don’t mess with me!
OKAY, where’s NIF? We’ve gone off on astrology!
November 27th, 20091:25 pm
Hey! The Normals and I are birthday buds!!! I’m the 22nd. I don’t like to brag, but I’m so much like George Washington. Yeah, right.
November 27th, 20091:26 pm
Bruno, that was an excellent mix, thanks…
“Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing”
I think it’s something along the lines of Shakespeares plays being costumed in the clothing of the day, not the historical clothing. When you get right down to it…it’s not important to his message.
Since Matilda isn’t here, I’ll speak up on her behalf to increase the Gemini total to 12.
My Mercury is in Gemini, which explains my chattiness. Moon in Cancer, though.
“If you think Cancer Suns are hopeless victims of their own emotions, a Cancer Moon kicks any Sun sign’s whine factor up several notches”–Hazel Dixon-Cooper.
November 27th, 20091:27 pm
Neato, Normal. You get to share birthday cake. I hated it as a kid with my sister’s birthday two days after mine, Feb 9 and 11. Now, my partner’s dad if Feb 7. So, how is it married to another Aquarian. Sounds pretty sparky, and I mean that in a good way.
November 27th, 20091:28 pm
AmVet I lived in Wichita until I moved to Georgia when I was 25. (Except for my junior year of HS, when I lived in San Antonio) I am a West High grad ‘72. GO PIONEERS! Sumner County, is that Newton?
“@@ always said I was wishy washy.”
She said the same thing about me. At least I know I’m in good company.
AmVet–Throw out your horoscope profile so we can pick on it. Aquarius Sun sign would make sense.
November 27th, 20091:29 pm
November 27th, 2009
Yeah, I’ve never got the whole Jesus was white thing.
It was a Catholic thing…
November 27th, 20091:30 pm
josef @ 1:24 – ::snort:: Where was that screen cleaner agin? :->
“I was born on January 29th”
Ha!!! I was right. And I thought there was nothing to Astrology, Am?!?!?
November 27th, 20091:31 pm
And a Gemini married to a Gemini, no less. Supper goes something like this:
Me: What do you want to do for supper?
Him: Well I sure as h#ll don’t want to cook.
Me: How about going out? You choose.
Him: mumble mumble mumble OK the Roadhouse.
Me: Cool! They’ve got those great shrimp skewers.
Him: You know, I’ve been hankering for Spaghetti.
Me: How about Luigi’s?
Him: No, I’ll fix it here…Hey, isn’t Criminal Minds about to come on?
November 27th, 20091:33 pm
Gale, I like the way the dates work out. I get my present first and I have 24 hours to reciprocate. Nice, huh?
“including moon) in Cancer…not gooood!”
Now I know why you and I seem to understand each other, josef!
josef, but that puts your Cancer stellum in the 7th house, no? Seems that would be good for a relationship.
November 27th, 20091:36 pm
“If you think Cancer Suns are hopeless victims of their own emotions, a Cancer Moon kicks any Sun sign’s whine factor up several notches”–Hazel Dixon-Cooper.”
Yeah, and when that Sun sign is Gemini, whoa! And a Jew on top of it? Whiner might as well move over, that title’s MINE!
November 27th, 20091:39 pm
Any bets that AmVet’s moon is in Cancer as well?
If you don’t know for sure, Am, you can go to astro.cafeastrology.com for a free chart. It even has a compatibility reading for you married folks. Lot of fun, give it a try.
November 27th, 20091:42 pm
My chart is mostly air and water. My partner is mostly earth and fire. Balance is a wonderful thing.
Hate to bring this up while we are discussing astrology, but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio? I’ve often heard that we’re the most difficult to get along with.
November 14th, baby!
Mrs. R. and I have been married for twenty wonderful years – 25 total, but five weren’t so good (rim shot).
November 27th, 20091:44 pm
Oh OUR relationship is fine…it’s the bloody Unmentionable that keeps us in a dither! He keeps telling us he wants to know how we feel…then he gets his feelings hurt when we tell him!
Him–what do you feel like for dinner?
Me–I feel like sh*t. What do I think I could eat?
BRUNO–we’re sensitve, damm*t!
November 27th, 20091:45 pm
Actually a little chicken village called Perth. Population 48! My dad worked at Boeing and I went to a two room school until the seventh grade. It was as rural as one can imagine, but gawd it was good life. And I learned the value of HARD work there. Really hard work.
But there was also time for four speed GTOs and motorcycles. (I feel the need, the need for speed.)
OK, you guys lost me with all your risings and such in such in so and so…(Where the hell is Nancy when I need her? Probably still just saying no…)
I’m more an ascension and declination kind of cat!
B, that mix was pretty damn wild.
This one crept into my mind a bit ago (I still love that opening guitar part…)
“but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio?”
Cancer. Cancer is the only sign that can get along with all other signs.
November 27th, 20091:48 pm
Dave R, My brother is Nov 13. He just lost his Aquarian wife of 40 years. I think it was a mostly happy, though often tumultuous match. But I agree Scorpio can be difficult and I would probably stay away from Scorpios myself.
November 27th, 20091:49 pm
Too funny, josef. I was forever hurting my Pisces mother’s feelings. Aquarians can be so blunt.
November 27th, 20091:51 pm
“but are there any good match ups with a Scorpio? ”
According to Linda Goodman, “Scorpio has lessons to learn from Sagittarius–Sagittarius is tolerant of Scorpio’s shortcomings and different outlook”. Friendship matches include Virgo,Capricorn, Cancer and Pisces; conflict arises with Leo, Aquarius, Aries and Gemini.
November 27th, 20091:55 pm
AmVet @ 1:45
Not as well known as some of their other stuff but it should be. I’ve always liked that D-C-F-D progression.
November 27th, 20091:56 pm
Bruno, Scorpios have shortcomings?
Not from this point of view, certainly!
November 27th, 20092:01 pm
As much as I don’t want to, gotta run for a bit…duty calls and I’m about through with the second triage of finds in the archaeoligical dig known as my home office,,,
November 27th, 20092:02 pm
“Not as well known as some of their other stuff but it should be. I’ve always liked that D-C-F-D progression.”
Gotta run for a while, but here’s a LS tribute to my good friend, Dave. We were buddies for a long, long time, but fell apart when he left his wife and kids. Maybe I should have been a better “friend” and supported his decision, but I didn’t support it and let him know in no uncertain terms. It cost me our friendship, but I still love the guy anyway. This was his favorite LS song growing up in Enterprise, Alabama. Here’s to you, Dave:
November 27th, 20092:03 pm
Hillbilly, I was thinking of you the other night when I Joe Bidened that Ricky Skaggs piece you turned me onto.
It just grabbed me by the you know whats and still hasn’t let go.
As I said before, with a couple of tears in my eyes, I guess you just have to be a kid who grew up along way from anywhere to really get it…
November 27th, 20092:13 pm
Another one in the same vein. For people like me, there really is no place like home.
November 27th, 20092:14 pm
AmVet – My dad worked for Boeing too, and both of my brothers. (one still does). All of them proud union members of the IAM.
November 27th, 20092:16 pm
No offense, but based on the Scorpio men I know, if my daughter brings one home, she will instantly be locked in a closet.
November 27th, 20092:17 pm
You’re free to be wishy-washy. As an Aquarian, I bear the water you like to swim in.
I don’t find you wishy-washy….just deceptive. ‘Tis wise to be skeptical of those who would deceive.
November 27th, 20092:19 pm
“I don’t find you wishy-washy….just deceptive. ‘Tis wise to be skeptical of those who would deceive.”
You might make a good poker player after all, @@.
November 27th, 20092:22 pm
I saw a biography on Johnny Cash the other night, what a great guy – and I think this was his best:
November 27th, 20092:25 pm
And this dude was always a favorite of mine too – the only concert I ever went to with my dad:
November 27th, 20092:30 pm
Sorry, but your water holds no interest for me.
November 27th, 20092:31 pm
Bosch – Did you ever see the link I left for you for the “Send Dick Cheney back to Hell” game?
No, I didn’t, but I like it already!!
November 27th, 20092:40 pm
“You might make a good poker player after all, @@.”
That is, of course, if you ever stopped believing your OWN BS:
November 27th, 20092:42 pm
HD, I see where he’s from Tulsa. No wonder those videos looked so familiar. Right outta my youth.
And I damn near mentioned swimming holes and fishing poles while talking about Kansas to wiccan. (I coulda been a song writer!)
The only thing “missing” were giant (as in ten to twelve foot tall) stands of sunflowers.
And as I grew up but 12 miles form the OK. border, I’m kind of almost sooner, and who in their right mind doesn’t love this musical?
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