Cutting the ‘2 Big 2 Fail’ down 2 size
In the discussion about banks that are “too big to fail,” I think you start with two observations:
1.) In general, competition and the discipline of failure are better, smarter regulators than government bureaucrats. That doesn’t mean government regulation is unnecessary; it does mean that regulators should be empowered to do only what the market cannot or will not do.
2.) Banks that are “too big to fail” are largely immune to the discipline of failure and to the rigors of competition.
That in turn leaves you with two basic solutions: You can greatly expand the gov’t regulation applied to the “2 Big 2 Fail,” or you can reduce and limit the size of those institutions and by doing so reintroduce the spectre of failure to the system.
There’s a move afoot in Congress to take the second approach, and I hope they have the guts to carry it out.
From the Los Angeles Times:
Angered by bailouts that have kept corporate titans such as American International Group Inc. afloat, members of a key House committee last week voted to give the government vast new power to downsize private companies, something that happens now only in the most egregious antitrust cases.
Instead of helping cushion the fall of Wall Street powerhouses through government aid or variations on traditional bankruptcy, there is growing momentum in Congress to cut those firms down to size before they start teetering to limit the damage if they do collapse.
“The era of the big bank is over,” said Simon Johnson, an MIT professor and former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund.
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Balance Our Budget
November 24th, 2009
10:32 am
Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low
Monday, November 23, 2009
Just 38% of voters now favor the health care plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats. That’s the lowest level of support measured for the plan in nearly two dozen tracking polls conducted since June.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% now oppose the plan.
Half the survey was conducted before the Senate voted late Saturday to begin debate on its version of the legislation. Support for the plan was slightly lower in the half of the survey conducted after the Senate vote.
Prior to this, support for the plan had never fallen below 41%. Last week, support for the plan was at 47%. Two weeks ago, the effort was supported by 45% of voters.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
10:37 am
Couldn’t that be done by simply enforcing current regulations and not letting an “investment firm” take deposits to become a bank? Or some other method of skirting regulations.
Skip
November 24th, 2009
10:40 am
And how much support is lost because the plan dosen’t go far enough? You think we don’t want improved healthcare?
Jackie
November 24th, 2009
10:46 am
@Balance Our Budget
You cite numbers from a single poll.
Here is a link that uses most of the major polls and the questions asked relative to health care.
Different story for different political affiliations.
http://www.pollingreport.com/health.htm
Peadawg
November 24th, 2009
10:47 am
Skip, we want improved health care, like insurance companies not being able to deny us b/c of preexisting conditions. What we DON’T want is to have to pay for other people’s health care.
The difference between mandatory car insurance and mandatory healthcare is I don’t pay for other car insurance, so don’t even that argument up!
Peadawg
November 24th, 2009
10:49 am
And please God, Obama, DON’T SEND ANY MORE TROOPS. Bring them home like you promised!!!
USinUK
November 24th, 2009
10:50 am
only have a second to comment, then I’m outtie …
first of all, where would Congress get the authority to break up any banks or investment houses (if they’re not a monopoly, I wouldn’t think that Congress could do such a thing) … ??? would be interested to hear what peeps think.
secondly, how do you measure the size of the corporation? if it’s a bank, do you look at their asset/liability ratio? or just the amount of deposits? their market saturation?? if it’s an investment firm, do you look at their risk level? their overall assets under management? where they’re invested??
anyhoo … just my £0.02 in 0:02 seconds …
will try to hop in later … hope everyone is having a good day and eating lots of big meals this week to stretch their stomachs for Thursday!!!
USinUK
November 24th, 2009
10:53 am
Peadawg –
I’ll second your 10:49 and raise you a “hear! hear!”
USinUK
November 24th, 2009
10:53 am
Peadawg –
“What we DON’T want is to have to pay for other people’s health care.”
hate to tell you this, but you already do …
and now, I’m really outtie for a while …
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 24th, 2009
10:56 am
Well, I see where this young fellow up in Illinois was walking around minding his own business and being peaceable when one day his Mommy up and told him his Daddy was Charles Manson. It throwed the young man out of whack quite a bit. He told the newspaper people he was downright shocked. Said he was a nice man most of the time but once in a while he got real mad for no reason. Anyway, if I was his neighbors these Muslim Terrists wouldn’t be the only people I’d be keeping a eye out for.
Anyways, seems to me the guvmint ought to keep its grubby hands off big business, being as how they are part of the Free Innerprize system. I reckon if they grow real big we could name the country the United States of IBM or Google or Morgan Stanley or Microsoft and just turn the whole treasury over to them instead of bailing them out again when they get into trouble. I would as soon take my orders from a CEO with ten houses and gold-plated faucets and all that stuff than take them from a Kenyan that’s one of Those People and wants to take my money and give it to a bunch of welfare bums.
But no, they won’t quit till every co. is so little it can put its headquarters in a double-wide. It just don’t pay to get ahead in this country anymore.
Have a good day everybody and don’t ask your Mama who your real Daddy is. You might not want to know.
Peadawg
November 24th, 2009
10:59 am
Redneck Convert, you’re an idiot. Period.
Jess
November 24th, 2009
10:59 am
100% agree with Jay on this. I didn’t understand why we did not do this during the bailout, until I realized that with the strings attached to bailout money, the government has a toehold on controlling almost 50% of the capital in this country with just 4 or 5 large banks.
It is for this reason I believe any attempt to break up the large banks will fail.
GoingBroke
November 24th, 2009
11:00 am
I have to agree with USinUK (shudder) about the whole authority issue.
If we are going to start breaking things up.. where will it stop? What about the airline industry? If Delta were to fail the economic impact would be far reaching until the industry had a chance to recover. We already own GM, AIG, etc.
Given their reasoning. the US is too big to fail.. does that mean we can start downsizing Gov’t?
El Jefe
November 24th, 2009
11:06 am
Well it is about time someone inside the beltway showed some glimmer of brains.
In this market, no one is too big to fail.
You either success or fail on your own merit. The problem today is that Congress thinks it knows better than the market place and propping up failing institutions is a lose-lose idea.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 24th, 2009
11:14 am
we managed to break up ATT…..
El Jefe
November 24th, 2009
11:22 am
Mrs. Godzilla,
Yes, that is correct. The courts broke up a perceived monopoly and AT&T became an unregulated utility. It survives or dies by its own hand.
As we have seen, with the merging of AT&T, SBC and Bellsouth, not even AT&T is too big to fail.
BTW, SBC bought AT&T and Bellsouth and decided to keep the name. AT&T in its original form did not survive, but instead was taken over.
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
11:26 am
The Three Principles of Capitalism (thrown in the dumpster by GWB et al.)
1) If you own it, you control it. (although the current situation is the exact opposite)
2) In a free society, you are free to fail. (NO bailouts.)
3) No governmental manipulation or intervention; free market fails when government intervenes.
In light of this, I ask is it any wonder why the greatest socialist in American history – George Bush – is not so thoroughly reviled?
DoggoneGA
November 24th, 2009
11:29 am
“If we are going to start breaking things up.. where will it stop? ”
The way I see it, if the government can approve the mergers that allowed those companies to get that big…they can do the opposite and break them up when they get too big. As Mrs G said: reference ATT
DoggoneGA
November 24th, 2009
11:31 am
“In light of this, I ask is it any wonder why the greatest socialist in American history – George Bush – is not so thoroughly reviled?”
IOKIYAR
Hard Right Hook
November 24th, 2009
11:33 am
“That doesn’t mean government regulation is unnecessary; it does mean that regulators should be empowered to do only what the market cannot or will not do.”
Praytell, exactly how do regulators do only what the market cannot or will not do?
The other liberal messiah, FDR, signed the Emergency Banking Act in March 1933. I’m betting the Act already contains unused and non-enforced regualtions needed now.
The liberal answer: more regulations, more “fees.”.
Yo'momma Obama
November 24th, 2009
11:34 am
He he he, apparently Ayatollah Hussein Obama SUCKS at golf. Not only that, he had played more golf in 1 year than Bush did in 8. I wonder if Super Fat Michael Moore will make a documentary of Obama playing golf while Afganistan burns. Wonder if he’ll provide a video with Hussein saying “now watch me hit this drive”
btw, I thought golf was too snobbish and corporate for the Muslim. He should be back at the Southside throwing it down with the homies on the blacktop
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
11:34 am
Hmm…I didn’t think government was supposed to run businesses. Now the politicians are running banks. businesses and want to run healthcare. I prefer they take care of constitutional requirements in it’s smallest and just form and protect us from our enemies. That I think is something we can afford and need..
Balance Our Budget
November 24th, 2009
11:37 am
Now that the truth is beginning to dribble out about the Troubled Asset Relief Program – the Government Accountability Office’s eagle-eyed auditors said they found no evidence that it prevented a financial meltdown a year ago – this $700 billion monument to political posturing should be shut down. This can be done in three easy steps: First, federal financial regulators should be called before Congress to explain why they did nothing before 2008 to stop the proliferation of toxic mortgage-backed securities; second, all outstanding TARP funds given to corporations should be returned with interest by a date certain; and third and most important, government-owned shares in companies that received TARP funds should be sold.
Bosch
November 24th, 2009
11:38 am
Dusty,
But sometimes enemies are inside.
El Jefe
November 24th, 2009
11:39 am
George W. Bush was not revered and the lefties think. He did plenty that p*ssed off the conservatives.
Compared to BHO, GBII should be shown only as a slightly tarnished knight on a gray horse.
Bill Clinton, after the republicans gained power turned out to be fairly conservative with the economy, he just gave the Chinese too much missile guidance technology, messed up our energy dependence and dallied with interns. That is beside lying under oath.
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
11:39 am
Bosch,
Inside of what?
Bosch
November 24th, 2009
11:41 am
Dusty,
Here. J/K
Sometimes we are our own enemy.
Matilda
November 24th, 2009
11:48 am
I have long thought that big business, not government, is what squashes small business. Isn’t that what anti-trust laws were about? When one big corporation eats up its competitors like Pac Man, there is less competition and fewer choices. That certainly doesn’t benefit the consumer OR the workforce! (Even with low low prices on cheap, foregin-made cr@p…) History has shown us that unchecked greed trumps the concept of self-regulation, and we can all see who really pays the price.
It’s time to return this country to the small businessmen and innovators. When Americans can pursue their dreams outside of corporate domination of our economy via the government favors they purchase, THEN we can see a “free market” that really works. And yes, health care reform is a necessarsy part of that!
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
11:52 am
Sometimes we are our own enemy.
Perhaps the freedom of democracy allows us the privilege of being our own enemy. It allows us to make good decisions on our own BUT it also allows us to make bad decisions. If it didn’t, we would be like Pavlov’s dogs. Make a move only by command from our superiors.
Is that what you want and expect? A perfect world? Something to work for, YES. But remember another old saying: You weren’t promised a rose garden.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 24th, 2009
11:52 am
We can do this, we should do this
even if…..
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=breaking+up+is+hard+to+do&search_type=&aq=0&oq=breaking+up
El Jefe
November 24th, 2009
11:53 am
Matilda,
Congress has a disdain for any business that it can’t influence or control. That is why they created Freddie and Fannie.
Government only like Big Business because of its deep pockets, like GE. Imagine if the CEO of GE was also on the transition team for BHO and on the board of the New York Federal Reserve. Wait, I don’t have to imagine.
getalife
November 24th, 2009
11:54 am
In China, they would be executed.
Here, they get bonuses with taxpayer money.
I like the “pro life” Chinese justice.
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
11:54 am
Redneck Convert an idiot????
I found this fairly brilliant – “…we could name the country the United States of IBM or Google or Morgan Stanley or Microsoft…”
Corporations control nearly every aspect of American life now.
Find a baseball park with out some company’s name plastered all over it. Even “bailed out” and scandal ridden one’s like the one those dolts in Mets uniforms go to watch.
Hell, even the Big 12 football championship trophy has Dr. Pepper splattered all over it. Or maybe you prefer the Phillips 66 Big 12 basketball championship trophy?
Disgusting.
These fascists that hide behind that giant American flag on Wall Street must be held accountable to the rule of law. The culpable must be jailed for their crimes. And they must be stopped from further ruining this great nation and millions of American families.
But the corporate lackey BHO is NOT the man to do so…
getalife
November 24th, 2009
11:58 am
Can we rendition them to China?
Basic premise, again!
November 24th, 2009
11:58 am
Dr. Adrian:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
Tall
November 24th, 2009
12:00 pm
Balance our Budget: Good points all around. The security blanket of increased regulation won’t stop people who have made up their minds to beat the system. If you haven’t already, read a book entitled “When Genius Failed”. The book is about the Long Term Capital Management disaster(a bit didactic, but good). The theme of poor risk management by corporate managements and unsuspecting regulators repeats itself 12 years after this book was published. Sadly, it will happen again.
getalife
November 24th, 2009
12:05 pm
Can we waterboard them until they confess?
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
12:07 pm
Man, it would be nice to be ultra-valorous and gracious like El Jefe!
He says, out of one side of his mouth, “GWB wasn’t revered…he PO’d many conservatives.”
YET inexplicably the army of El Jefes made not one single solitary peep during those disastrous eight years.
Not once. Ever.
And at the very end of that Reign of Error, they were STILL among the 20% or so who said that arguably the very worst administration in American history was doing a good job.
Their sudden rising from that peaceful slumber and the ensuing faux outrage happened exactly on noon on January 20, 2009.
And they wonder why their transparent opinions and inane input are so properly dismissed.
Or likely they don’t.
Either way, forgive me while I throw up…
getalife
November 24th, 2009
12:08 pm
w is back to fight regulations.
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
12:10 pm
Oh for Pete’s sake, not again!
Big business ir running and ruining this country!
This is a big country. We cannot run the country with only mon & pop stores. It takes big business to run bigger things. You want electrical power run by a twinkies company? You want communication run by people with two cans and a string? YOu want research and development in medicine run by the local doctor? It is not possible. You want an automobile put together at the auto repair shop?
It is fine to have a “stay small philosophy” but when realism hits, it cannot be done in a country the size of the USA. The reality of stock owners should regulate big business. Not the government if possible. The Justice Department should take care of criminals but that is the only duty assigned to government.
Turn big business over to the government? NO!!
FinnMcCool
November 24th, 2009
12:11 pm
The right is freaking out about the health care reform. And they should be. This is going to completely change the health care landscape for the better.
And the Republicans are on the wrong side of history on this one. The only chance they have is their hope that the US job situation doesn’t improve between now and next November.
@@
November 24th, 2009
12:14 pm
As usual, Obama and this congress are slow on the uptake. Now it’s this administration that fancies itself 2 Big 2 Fail.
Never fear, the American people will be cutting THEM down 2 size come 11/10.
El Jefe
November 24th, 2009
12:15 pm
AmVet,
Between over spending for medicare part d, the wide open borders, too timid on the war on terrorism, No Child left behind, and many others. GBII was not a real conservative, but a slightly right progressive.
Now tell me the wonderful things BHO has done?
getalife
November 24th, 2009
12:15 pm
dusty still does not accept her ideology collapsed the economy.
She will continue to blindly support w in fighting regulations.
Bless her poor little heart.
Poor thing.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 24th, 2009
12:16 pm
I don’t want anybody to have to go back and review posts from a year ago….
I expect folks to have enough class to admit if they were chanting let them fail a few months back.
It seems to me that if it was ok to let them fail a while back that standing against break up attempts might make one appear foolish.
breaking up the biggies
Paul
November 24th, 2009
12:16 pm
We gave them the rope, they hung themselves by doing that which was legal.
But they charged us for the rope. And the sendoff.
What’s to keep what happened from happening again? ABM had a good comment – don’t look solely at the House proposal, look at other stuff. I’m for both – whack’em with both. Time for the Congress to look out for the people, not the corporatists.
Now let’s see how much they bribe the Congressmen… I mean, contribute to… and how many lobbyists they hire to kill this.
Peadawg – my opinion – Redneck Convert provides more creative, original, thought-provoking subtle satire on a regular basis than almost anyone you could name.
Dusty – I liked your ‘ham it up comment.’ You can be real funny when you give in to your wild side!
Finn McCool
November 24th, 2009
12:17 pm
the Reid bill maintains virtually all of Baucus ideas’ for shifting the medical payment system away from today’s fee-for-service model toward an approach that more closely links compensation for providers to results for patients.
…links compensation for providers to results for patients.
Now, that’s what I’m talkin bout!!!
Finn McCool
November 24th, 2009
12:18 pm
ooops, link:
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/11/a_milestone_in_the_health_care_journey.php
Shawny
November 24th, 2009
12:26 pm
Scariest piece of this, “give the government vast new power”. Run, now. Less is more.
How have these entities grown as to have violated anti-trust and became monopolistic? Enforce existing controls, and layer additional regulation only when necessary.
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
12:27 pm
I’d like to know who you voted for in the past 30 years or so, Jefe who you thought was a “real” conservative.
There must be dozens you could list right? Dozens and dozens. I mean after all it has been an entire (bowel?) movement in DC!
These misnamed conservatives are like aliens, often supposedly seen but not one scintilla of proof they exist.
And you stood stupefyingly silent while the fake conservatives you voted for were steering this nation ever closer to the rocks.
Almost from the very get go, W was a disaster. That you had neither the acumen to realize it or the testicular fortitude to admit it is immaterial…
Skip
November 24th, 2009
12:27 pm
Peadawg, how can you be so right about the troops and so wrong about health care?
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
12:29 pm
AmVet,
You preach the same sermon every day.
You barf over Bush. You object then overate Obama.
You dismiss Republicans but who cares.
You don’t think Democrats are too smart either.
You think most everyone is stupid, except YOU, of course.
You think big busines is a curse.
Did it ever occur to you that there is almost NOTHING that you really like?
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
12:33 pm
Mrs. G
I was perfectly ok with letting them fail. I’m still with the opinion that if they fail, let them crash and burn. IF they collapse our economy, then we know their money is just as worthless as ours.
With that said, I don’t think we need to rely on the government to break these companies up. All corporations are in business to make money. They’re not here to make us feel good, or look good, they’re set up to make money. If people quit supporting their products or subsidiaries then they fail on their own without the government lifting a finger. The power is and has been in the hands of the people for the longest. We’re just too busy arguing and angry to know that.
Hard Right Hook
November 24th, 2009
12:35 pm
“He says, out of one side of his mouth, “GWB wasn’t revered…he PO’d many conservatives.”
“YET inexplicably the army of El Jefes made not one single solitary peep during those disastrous eight years.”
Oh yes we did. We were mad as hell about how much money he spent, which is just the tip of the iceberg. Even early on, when he let Sir Teddy the Magnificent write No Child Left Behind, we knew we were in trouble.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
12:35 pm
Paul
Thanks for the mention. Every now and then, I have a decent thought. The majority of the time, however, they’re very indecent.
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
12:36 pm
Big business is bribing Congress?
I thought it was government promises of money to the districts of Congressmen that was the biggest bribery.
GETALIFE, dear heart.
Retreat to your water pipe, please.
Your bonus battle cries are bogus.
Paul
November 24th, 2009
12:38 pm
Dusty
It’s not one or the other. It’s both.
ABM
[[The majority of the time, however, they’re very indecent. ]]
Which is why you fit in so well around here!
TW
November 24th, 2009
12:39 pm
Thought ‘w’ was busy rewriting, er…recoloring, history at his new library,er…shelf or two of picture books…
At any rate – great to have him back in the fold! Like a Saturday Night Live sketch every time he’s mentioned!
Now, watch this drive…
Normal
November 24th, 2009
12:40 pm
Dusty, I have a water pipe, two in fact. One hot and one cold.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
12:43 pm
Paul
I thought y’all let me fit in because I was dandy with my trusty 6-shooter.
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
12:43 pm
Paul, how is big business bribing Congress? Lobbyists?
PS..Thanks about the “ham”. I like to sandwich it in sometimes.
danjonglee
November 24th, 2009
12:44 pm
Hiding evidence on global cooling. Makes me want to trust these so called scientist.. This is worse than Tobacco Companies hiding findings. Global hoax…..
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
12:45 pm
I like it that you consistently react to my posts like a puerile and petulant teenager, Dusty!
HRH, and YET you helped reelect those deadly and inept scoundrels and socialists. And everybody even remotely similar like Suxbee. All simply because they have an R after their names.
Things that make you go hmmm…
Sorry, I didn’t just roll into to town. This all happened right before my very eyes.
I know the level of “anger” by the neo-cons vis a vis GWB. It was virtually nonexistent. Excluding a very few very isolated incidents as when he supported McCain’s rational Path towards Citizenship proposal. Then the base went freaking ballistic and slimed everybody involved as big “amnesty” guys..
So all in all, nope. I don’t take this claim very seriously at all…
Disgusted
November 24th, 2009
12:47 pm
We had the best telephone system in the world, but the federal government never stopped until it was broken into small pieces and we were left with all the wars between smaller companies, along with a truly balkanized system. We had a consistent supplier of natural gas, and the state government never stopped until that supplier was stripped of delivery powers, while we got “marketing” companies inserted between us and the natural gas, with the attendant additional expense.
Now we’re talking about breaking up large companies. Well, why doesn’t Congress enact some decent regulation to control the excesses, instead of punishing corporations for being successful? We need an SEC and a Fed with real power, instead of a pair of politicized lapdogs willing to go along with anything some corporation with big money wants to do. A guy reports Bernie Madoff to the SEC six times–six times–over a period of five years, providing proof of the impossibility of the gains Madoff was reporting. And what do Chris Cox and his gang of lickers do at the SEC? Nothing.
We need governmental powers to control the abuses of the corporations. We don’t need government to break up corporations merely because they are large. What we don’t need is for government to impose huge losses and expenses on the rest of us after corporations fail because of the excesses that the government has refused to control.
Kamchak
November 24th, 2009
12:48 pm
10 simple rules for Republican candidates.
Violate any 3 = no money and no party endorsement.
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
12:53 pm
Kam, what a hoot.
Not at all unexpected but still hysterical.
The new and unimproved GOP – perfecting the art of the circular firing squad.
Peadawg
November 24th, 2009
12:55 pm
“Peadawg, how can you be so right about the troops and so wrong about health care?”
I’m just tired of all the handouts, that’s all. The laws in the bill to regulate insurance companies are long overdue, but I wish Obama would stick to his promise and not add anymore money to the deficit.
BS Aplenty
November 24th, 2009
1:01 pm
The ‘Bookman Political Indicator’ is a qualitative measure of just how badly the Obama Administration and the Democrat Party are doing their job. Conversely, the Indicator also measures the liklihood of the Republican Party picking up significant Congressional seats in the 2010 election cycle. The Indicator reflects the number of times Bookman espouses capitalist principals like less regulation and market discipline being superior to socialist intervention.
Bookman and his socialist Democrat Party are realizing what Smith, Hayek, Friedman and many others knew years ago. The capitalist system works. It has given us a standard of living and wealth unknown in history. The U.S. promotion of such principals has also led to the fall of communism in the former Soviet Union and China. Without a shot against either nation.
The Bookman Political Indicator is now closing in on 100 – the utter failure of socialism and any government’s dependence on it’s people. Ronald Reagan knew it well – Obama thinks he’s smarter than the Soviets and the Chinese. He ain’t.
The U.S. government now OWNS 80% of AIG whose share price has risen nicely over the past three months. The $130 billion in revolving credit extended by the federal government is scheduled to be paid back to the government WITH INTEREST. TARP funds extended to banks by the Bush Administration are also being returned to the federal government by major banks WITH INTEREST. The Bush Administration negotiated market-based solutions and the taxpayers were mostly spared any “bailout.” In fact, they should benefit from the increasing share prices of AIG and other the financial institutions.
Keep talking about free markets and less regulation, Bookman. It’s one of the few times you’ve made sense.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
1:06 pm
Can someone tell me what the hell is the Bookman Political Indicator and where is it found?
Lucious
November 24th, 2009
1:10 pm
Angry BM,
I’ve had ‘angry BM’s’ before but usually after I eat the jalapeno chili at the Stone Mountain Chili Fest.
getalife
November 24th, 2009
1:15 pm
Not crying dusty.
You make me laugh.
Stay the course you poor thing.
canned spam (testicular fortified)
November 24th, 2009
1:21 pm
These misnamed conservatives are like aliens, often supposedly seen but not one scintilla of proof they exist.
And you stood stupefyingly silent while the fake conservatives you voted for were steering this nation ever closer to the rocks.
Almost from the very get go, W was a disaster. That you had neither the acumen to realize it or the testicular fortitude to admit it is immaterial…
El Jefe
November 24th, 2009
1:22 pm
If and when BHO wrecks our economy, I will be all set.
Canned food for barter.
a large freezer full of food for barter
World's Foxiest Lady
November 24th, 2009
1:24 pm
I’m glad Noble Prize Winner and best selling author President Barack Hussein Obama is in charge and fixing the economy.
He is fixing everything that dumb racist Bush screwed up. The rich Wall Street elitist need to pay back America or face the consequences of their malfeasance.
Joey
November 24th, 2009
1:24 pm
Global Warmism: A fraud. An Al Gore swindle.
Hard Right Hook
November 24th, 2009
1:27 pm
“So all in all, nope. I don’t take this claim very seriously at all…”
Frankly, I don’t care if you do or not.
Judging from the sophistry you post, it’s hard to tell what you do take seriously.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
1:28 pm
Lucious
Try to stay away from the bathrooms out there, and you probably won’t have to settle for Angry Black Men.
joe matarotz
November 24th, 2009
1:29 pm
The Sherman Antitrust Act was created to combat this situation. Maybe it’s time to blow the dust off an old law and enforce it.
Just sayin’…
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
1:33 pm
“As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials.” Newt Gingrich
jewcowboy
November 24th, 2009
1:37 pm
Let’s see…the Glass-Steagall Act sponsored by 2 Democrats ensured a steady banking system for 60 years, and then 2 Republicans decided that 60 years of stability was too good, so they enacted the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act and in 8 little ole years the banking system nearly collpases.
Why would we EVER trust a Republican with the economy?
Normal
November 24th, 2009
1:40 pm
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
1:28 pm
Well said, my friend, well said indeed
canned spam (testicular fortified)
November 24th, 2009
1:41 pm
I’m todd rungred and carly simon wrote “that song” about me!!
No wonder they call me the “runt”.
Paul
November 24th, 2009
1:42 pm
ABM
[[I thought y’all let me fit in because I was dandy with my trusty 6-shooter.]]
Is that another indecent thought?
Dusty
The ’sandwich’ pun was a real groaner! Thanks!
[[how is big business bribing Congress? Lobbyists?]]
It’s my soapbox about campaign contributions. Follow every little arcane rule, they’re legal. Miss one, and it’s not.
Legalized bribery.
Hey Kamchak, welcome back. Don’t make yourself so scare next time.
Well, off for the weekend.
Have a nice Day of Thanks and a pleasant weekend, all -
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 24th, 2009
1:42 pm
Yea…nothing like stifling free market enterprise.
Peadawg
November 24th, 2009
1:43 pm
With the superb job Obama is doing right (sarcasm in case you didn’t get that) jewcowboy, do you honestly trust him?
Normal
November 24th, 2009
1:44 pm
Paul, be safe…there are idiots out there too, ya know…
Happy Tahankgiving…
jewcowboy
November 24th, 2009
1:47 pm
Peadawg,
“do you honestly trust him?
More than I trust the Republican choice. We’ve seen what they have done when they are handed the keys to the economy…
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
1:47 pm
Kamchak
**Violate any 3 = no money and no party endorsement.**
Just like those stupid Republicans, stating whet they believe. Any Democrat could tell them the dangers in that. They should wait on the favorable political winds, tell the public that those are the issues they stand for and then just do as they please once they get in office.
It might not work as well for Republicans because conservatives are a lot less likely to tolerate obvious lies as the Democrats. Look at what Obozo promised, but look at how many of those promises were obvious lies, but the democrats still support him and make excuses like: “well look at what Bush did” to justify his lies.
World’s Foxiest Lady
I just love the fact that he wrote his book, being inspired by Jeremiah Wright, one of the most ignorant racist of our day. And he exposed his children to that same ignorant racist, on a constant basis. But Bush is the racist, huh? LOL!! The Democratic Plantation sure does have it’s “help” trained well.
Normal
November 24th, 2009
1:49 pm
Did y’all see where PETA wants Georgia to get a robotic bulldog?
PETA will want animals to vote soon…not that they wouldn’t do a better job than some of us, me included. My cat Bubba said Obama was a dog man and therefore not capable of running a country like ours. Bubba didn’t care for Bush either, but he thought that Socks was the real President. Cats, gotta love ‘em
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
1:50 pm
Hey the mystery meat aka Joe Biden made a “funny” at 1:21.
No HRH, I don’t take fake conservatives very seriously at all. The Bush crowd neo-cons were chock full of Saxby cowards and Rummy incompetents.
And the “base” gave them free reign every step of the way. They cheered him on until the very end when the magnitude of the disasters and corruption could no longer be hidden.
Only then were there little murmurs.
Even then, in the face if of endless unmitigated disasters you guys tried like hell and still couldn’t even nominate another neo-clown to replace him.
And in the process lost a staggering, never to be seen again, 94% of the national races in back to back elections.
And the nation rejoiced…
jewcowboy
November 24th, 2009
1:50 pm
Peadawg,
“do you honestly trust him?”
Especially considering the Republican choice for President was one of the Keating Five…I’m pretty sure that should not be on the resume of someone charged with the rescue of a banking system.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
1:50 pm
Jewcowboy
The Republicans turned the keys to the economy over to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid back in 2006. So how was the economy the last time the Republicans had the keys?
jewcowboy
November 24th, 2009
1:52 pm
Nothing Is Free ,
“So how was the economy the last time the Republicans had the keys?”
The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act which created this mess was enacted in 1999…
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
1:55 pm
Jewcowboy
So that was the reason, huh? LOL!! Yep, those unsecured mortgages that made up 1/5th of the loans had nothing to do with it. Ever heard of Barney Frank?
jewcowboy
November 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
“Ever heard of Barney Frank?”
Yep, and Robert Ekelund.
Peadawg
November 24th, 2009
2:00 pm
jewcowboy, so you approve of the job that’s Congress has done since 2006 and Obama has done in 9 months? really?!?
Hard Right Hook
November 24th, 2009
2:01 pm
AmVet:
I would respecitively ask you not to lump me in with “R”s or the Bush crowd, for I am not one of them.
As for McCain, I respect him as a Naval Aviator and POW, but not much else.
joe matarotz
November 24th, 2009
2:03 pm
Gramm-Leach-Bliley was written by Republicants and signed by Clinton, the leading Democrap of his time. GLB led us down the road to ruin. If Obama and Congress were serious about fixing things, or if they understood the US banking system, they would be doing all in their power to bury GLB.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:05 pm
Jew Cowboy
Robert Ekelund, the economist?
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
2:11 pm
HRH, my apologies if you didn’t vote for George of the Bungle. Twice.
I think many here would agree, this “new” cadre of supposed Independents are lacking much credibility.
As I noted earlier, McCain was almost given the John Kerry Swift Boat treatment by his own party.
They disgusted me then and they disgust me now.
jewcowboy, Ekelund has written some great and scathing analyses of the GOP’s role in the criminal financial debacle that they helped create and carefully nurture for years and years…
http://mises.org/story/3098
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:14 pm
AmVet
Robert Ekelund. My God, he’s at Auburn. How smart could he be?
What does an Auburn grad and a tornado have in common:
At some time in their life, they WILL end up in a trailer park.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 24th, 2009
2:15 pm
ObaMao thinks being president is all about parties, double talking and bascially consulting with Sasha before making decisions. Im sure lil Sasha is intelligent, however, we need a leader and NOT a Campaigner in chief.
Jake
November 24th, 2009
2:17 pm
Massive small bank failures probably wouldn’t be much better than a few large bank failures. I see the lack of oversight by Greenspan and Dugan and Congress along with the limitless greed of the bankers, investment bankers, and mortgage loan companies as the principal causes for the current recession. However, allowing AIG and BOA to go under would almost certainly have deepened the recession.
Sunshine and Thunder
November 24th, 2009
2:18 pm
C’mon, Jay. We all know that in the liberal mind, the only thing too big to fail is government. What liberal wouldn’t love to see Citigroup go belly up simply because all of its top executives would stop getting any salary at all?
Remember the words of the immortal Milton Friedman: “When a company fails it goes out of business. When a government program fails it gets more money.”
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:21 pm
AmVet
BTW. The MAC wasn’t broken. Maybe they don’t ever break.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 24th, 2009
2:21 pm
Obobo needs to appoint a “Business’ to big to fail” Czar. Yea…that should do it.
mm
November 24th, 2009
2:25 pm
All I can say is “What happened to the enforcement of our antitrust laws”?
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
2:27 pm
Yeah, NIF, I noted that too!
You do know the n in Auburn stands for nowledge right?
But read that article I linked. Seriously, it is DAMN hard to find significant problems with it much less discount it…
Good news on the MAC.
I know this much, when it comes to brand loyalty, NO company in the world can touch them.
I have a friend in Hollyweird – a director of photography and camera operator – who wouldn’t even consider PCs.
Cats like him are FIERCELY loyal to Apple…
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
2:27 pm
Oh drat and all that
Those mighty companies are out to get me.
The power just flickered (GA Power is BIG).
My computer had a long fainting spell.
The server ran away with the moderator,
Bookman is probably in Washington with the rest of the turkeys.
On computer awakening AmVet and jewcowboy still think Bush is president.
Normal is running hot and cold.
There aint no justice.
And the big corporations DID IT!
ABM, would you fire a shot at GA Power and make them behave??
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
2:31 pm
I think the government of the United States is too big to fail and we should start whacking away on it, right now.
Little socialist punks, like luring some kid into a car with candy so that you can rape them.
Real respectable.
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
2:32 pm
Nothing is free,
Did Redneck go to Auburn?
Jake
November 24th, 2009
2:32 pm
Gramm Leach didn’t cause the recession. AIG, for example, went under because they had an under-regulated portfolio of high risk CDS’s. The CDS’s went bad because greedy bankers and mortgage loan companies created interest-only ARMs and ninja loans because they made huge profits up front and then sold off the risky mortgages, which firms like Bear Stearns bought and then securitized. Allowing companies like Citigroup to merge banking, investment banking, and insurance under one umbrella wasn’t a proximate cause. International giants, like ING, did that a long time ago without financial system collapse.
mike
November 24th, 2009
2:32 pm
“They disgusted me then and they disgust me now.”
Stop the presses.
Milton Keynes Krugman Laffer
November 24th, 2009
2:36 pm
Sunshine and Thunder gives us some delicious stupidity-lace irony for the day:
When a company fails it goes out of business.
Right after noting: What liberal wouldn’t love to see Citigroup go belly up…blah blah, blah.
Citibank would have gone belly up if it wasn’t for the government. Same with AIG, GM, and the rest of the modern American economy if it wasn’t for government intervention. Wall Street and big ol’ companies are constantly sukking off government welfare and “government programs”. Phuleez.
Sunshine, maybe you try complaining about the DMV, the post office, the military or some other government program you resent.
Or maybe you should go into a closet and sell your own pharts.
Milty
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
2:36 pm
During our last Robber Baron period, Teddy Roosevelt came along and busted them up. That has been steadily eroded over the decades. If they’re too big to fail, bust ‘em up. Then they won’t be too big to fail.
This thing is like an ocean liner; it doesn’t turn on a dime. It takes a long time.
Normal
November 24th, 2009
2:37 pm
DDUUUSSSSTTTTTYYYYYYY! What passion!!
OK, KO, what does a UGA grad call a GA Tech grad? Ready? BOSS!!!
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
2:40 pm
Paul
It would have been indecent if I had mentioned the 12-gauge pump.
NIF
That 2:14 is hilarious.
Dusty
If I could get a moment with the powers that be at GA Power, I think all our problems would go away. I’m researching solar and other methods so I can cut back on them as much as possible. If a hamster in a wheel could generate enough power, I’d buy a few of those too!
Joan
November 24th, 2009
2:43 pm
Well, those idiots in Congress bailed out the banks with no strings attached, so the banks just bought other banks and got even bigger–but they can fail, as can this once proud country, if this idiocy runs its course.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:43 pm
AmVet
I will try to check out the article. I am going at about light speed right now.
I use an old Hafler PA amp powering a couple of JBL studio monitors for my audio system. it used to be my stereo when Hi-Fi meant two speakers. It was the power fuses in the amp. I’m still getting a 60 cycle hum at high volume. i use the audio in the computer for presentations, but it is clean. It’s just playback. i think it;s just this rat’s nest of wires under my computer desk. I also need much more RAM. This thing will hold 32 gigs and I have two. I’m going to fix that this weekend. But with what RAM costs for this thing, I could buy a decent PC. MACS are great, but the money gets crazy. My budget is getting tighter and tighter and I refuse to start using Credit cards.
Running. I’ll talk to you soon. BTW. I appreciate the good words last night. I don’t know what to think of Bruno. Seems like a nice fellow.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
2:44 pm
Hillbilly
You didn’t get the latest memo, did ya? This thing should have been corrected by September. We live in a instant society now. When we want something, it just happens. There’s no such monster as taking your time, that’s “old school”.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:46 pm
ABM
**That 2:14 is hilarious.**
You can actually insert any school, but Auburn just works so well.
BS Aplenty
November 24th, 2009
2:50 pm
AmVet,
I read the article and I have to say that Professor Ekelund should not mix politics with economics in his theoretical arguments. He says on one hand:
1. the problem created by the Bush Administration is too much government involvement with corporations,
but we should,
2. return to the gold standard (and be subject to this fine metal and whoevers mines it),
3. reinstate Glass-Stegal separating traditional and investment banking (why? because we’ve gotten too creative in financial services? huh).
Ekelund maybe a fine ivory tower economist but the real world demands much more coherency.
Microsoft is not too big to fail and is only lightly regulated compared to financial services. Get the government out of financial services and the companies that fail will be taken over by smarter bankers. It works.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 24th, 2009
2:52 pm
Well, while you all are fussing and griping about big cos. President Obobo is getting ready to host his first state dinner for some towelhead from India. It just makes my guts growl.
First, it ain’t a dinner. It’s a supper. Dinner is something you eat around lunch time.
Second, if we got this much money to blow on a meal why don’t they give us some more tax cuts? Instead of spending money hand over fist.
Third, it can’t be that much fun. Just think, you’re setting there with some of the biggest big-shots in the world and you need to cut a big one. All you can do is set there and try and hold it in.
Anyhow, I was griping about all this to the missus the other night. She was on a diet again and kind of grumpy, I reckon. She’s bound and determined to get down to 315 before Christmas. Anyway, she up and told me I would never get invited to one of these suppers. Then she started carping about how I pour my coffee into a saucer to let it cool a little and then slurp it. And how I use the same fork to eat salad and meat and dessert. And then she took a swipe at my clip-on tie I wear to church.
So one of the things I’m grateful for this Thanksgiving is not getting invited to a state dinner. It would be miserable, I’m sure. Besides, they probly invite alot of Those People and librul Democrats. With that company I’d rather eat beans and weenies in my truck alone and do what I want.
Have a good night everybody.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
2:53 pm
NIF
As a Die-hard Tider, it’s funny just the way it is!!
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
BS Aplenty
I am running, but I need to say this. I’m a little scared of investing in gold. Nowadays, a person needs a really valuable asset that has real value. Gold has been replaced in almost every practical application so it is mostly a decorative metal. It is almost like the dollar, letting the market determine it’s worth. Silver and even platinum seems to be a more stable investment.
I know you were quoting an economist, but I just thought I should say that
BS Aplenty
November 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
NIF, your point is well-made. I’m not advocating a return to the gold standard.
mike
November 24th, 2009
3:03 pm
Redneck Convert -
Thanks for the mindless bigotry. It is always such a treat to see a “tolerant” liberal deal in nasty and ignorant stereotypes. It speaks well of you and your upbringing.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 24th, 2009
3:05 pm
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
2:55 pm
LOL…Thats quite the position…LOL *POOT*
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
3:06 pm
You didn’t get the latest memo, did ya?
Or even the memo before that. Not only am I out of the loop, I was never in the loop.
I’m glad I’m not a kid anymore; I’d hate to be starting out in today’s world. I understand what you mean though; we want patience and we want it right now!
As Bill Withers sang, “Good things come to those who wait but not to those who wait too late”. If we don’t get this country straightened out, one of these days it’ll be too late. Just hope I’ve gone on to my reward before that happens.
hi my name is mike
November 24th, 2009
3:11 pm
hi name is mike.
i love to show people how smart i am. i also like complaining about “tolerant” liberals and ‘intelligent’ arguments. i am much smarter than intolerant liberals. they are stupid and probably didn’t go to a state college.
see ya’ later. i gotta go watch my DRV recording of the Beck show and phart in my hand and then smell it.
getalife
November 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
LOL.
mike just got attacked by RC.
So that is what a parody argument looks like.
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
3:18 pm
Hillbilly
“If we don’t get this country straightened out, one of these days it’ll be too late. Just hope I’ve gone on to my reward before that happens.”
I hope I’m alive to see things get straightened out. I refuse to give up or give in, but I understand your sentiment.
getalife
November 24th, 2009
3:21 pm
Well, the USSR collapsed but came back.
Some States will break off but it will be ok.
Perhaps we can sell Alaska back to them.
Throw in sarah to seal the deal
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
3:32 pm
getalife
It’s conceivable to me that this country could break up to 5 or 6 different ones at some point. I’m not advocating that though.
Normal
November 24th, 2009
3:33 pm
Getalife, maybe we could really downsize and sell the Louisiana Purchase back to the French and Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and california sold back to the Spanish. Think of the Money we’d save…
Angry Black Man
November 24th, 2009
3:37 pm
Normal
Haven’t you seen how much real estate has dropped. We should have done that about 2-3 years ago to take advantage of the market when it was hot.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
3:45 pm
Looks like this would be a great time to look into that Morgan Out Islander.
hi I am a mindless bigot
November 24th, 2009
3:51 pm
Hi. I post here under the name of “Redneck Convert”. Because I am a very ignorant and intolerant person, I acribe ignornant and intolerant stereotypes to any who do not share my narrow minded views.
Like most liberals who like to talk about how intolerant those who do not share my narrow minded views are, I am as intolerant as any common racist. I just hate Southerners and Christians.
I am too much of an intellectual coward to ever make a point. If I did so, I might actually have to defend it. No, I think I will continue to limit my contribution on this board to demonstrating that liberals are just as capable of utter ignorance and hateful bigotry as anyone.
Have a good night everybody except Christians (who I hate like a Klansman hates African Americans)
mike
November 24th, 2009
3:53 pm
Redneck Bigot –
BTW: I bash Beck as the idiot he is here all of the time. But hey, that does not fit with your ignorant stereotype, so it must not be true.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
hi I am a mindless bigot
We get it.
Can we expect many more of these?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
3:55 pm
A Kentucky census worker found hanging from a tree with the word “fed” written on his chest killed himself and staged his death to look like a murder, authorities said Tuesday.
I told you liberals would do anything to pin one on the RW.
Now, if they only weren’t so duhmn.
mike
November 24th, 2009
3:56 pm
NIF –
I thought it was obvious that was me. Just responding to the wonderful (and creative) parodists in the crowd. Sorry to disturb the quality of debate.
saywhat?
November 24th, 2009
4:00 pm
Dr. Adrian (Dr Adrian Rogers, founder of the Talibaptist movement):
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom.(You cannot legislate the poor into power by legislating more power to the wealthy) What one person(corporations and shareholders) receives without working for, another person (everybody else) must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.(If you don’t want a government to give or take anything, move to Somalia) When half of the people (Wallstreeters, major CEO’s/ major shareholders) get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half (the rest of us)is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for (i.e. worker productivity rises dramatically, yet real wages go DOWN), that is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.(You can only multiply wealth by concentrating it in the hands of the already wealthy, and then hope something trickles on you)”
I fixed it for you Mr. Basic premise.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
4:01 pm
Good idea voting for hopeandchange.duh-
Joblessness for 16-to-24-year-old black men has reached Great Depression proportions — 34.5 percent in October, more than three times the rate for the general U.S. population.
And you know that Obozo has been shoveling money into the ‘hood, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm, so who’s been pilfering it?
It sure ain’t trickling down.
mike's spiritual advisor
November 24th, 2009
4:01 pm
I prefer anonymity.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
4:01 pm
mike
LOL!
Quality of debate? Really?
I’ve been looking at sailboats. Man the prices are amazing. They are lower than 1970 prices.
I have dreamed of taking off in a sea going boat all my life. I just hope I can do it while I am still young enough.
hi my name is mike
November 24th, 2009
4:04 pm
intolerant
ignorant
intolerant and ignorant
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
4:04 pm
OK, for all of you wild-eyed, way out, anti-Adam & Eve atheist types, today is a biggie!
150 tears ago today, the first edition of “The Origin of Species” was published in London.
And after a century and half, nothing the non-explanationists have ever dreamed up has trumped natural selection.
Thank you Charles Darwin.
Dusty
November 24th, 2009
4:06 pm
Whatsa matter with you guys?? Here you are trying to sell off the country. I tell you. Times do change. If I had said a few years back,”The South will rise again so how much you offer?”, somebody would have immediately offered me their white sheets so I could prowl at night and put hex marks on tombstones.
Of course, I would never ever sell off my beloved South or any other part of the USA for that matter. But….come to think of it…maybe a few of those Yankee states …nawwww….even them I wouldn’t sell.
So, stand at attention, my friends, and salute the flag.. All sales are off today except for the big pre-Thansgiving ones which will glady take your money and the shirt off your back.
That reminds me, I better get to the store. Don’t sell off a single state while I’m gone. It aint nice!!
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
4:06 pm
AmVet
Hey Darwin just explained that God took his time.
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
NIF –
“I’ve been looking at sailboats. Man the prices are amazing. They are lower than 1970 prices.”
Yeah, I imagine it is a great time to buy most luxury items. Now if I only had some money
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:08 pm
troll -
You forgot “mindless partisan”. I say that a lot too.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
4:11 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) – Signaling an imminent decision on Afghanistan troop levels, President Barack Obama said Tuesday he intends to “finish the job” and destroy terrorist networks in the region.
Haha, Obozo is going to do a dump on Code Pinko, over the Thanksgiving weekend, hehe.
Sputter into your stuffing, moonbats.
Rightwing Troll
November 24th, 2009
4:17 pm
yesterday Andy was postulating about searching the internet for videos of children, today he’s talking about luring kids into the car with candy…
I’m jest sayin…
Heh… someone thinks there’s “debate” going on in here… that’s rich…
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
4:20 pm
How about this one folks !!! All conservatives and liberals alike should be for this one correct ???
Finally, something we can agree on ?
Constitutional Amendment Number 28
“Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States.”
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:22 pm
Rightwing Troll –
“Heh… someone thinks there’s “debate” going on in here… that’s rich…”
The comment was (quite) sarcastic.
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:24 pm
Common Sense –
““Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives, and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States.””
I am confused. What laws must Senators uphold that the rest of the citizenry does not?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
4:33 pm
Troll/ Lord Help Us and mike are unable to debate, so they whine and stalk.
ewwwwwwwwwwwww
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
4:35 pm
Mike:
The Congress routinely “exempts” themselves from lots of legislation. For example, the “Civil Rights Act”. It’s like they are better than us ?
The current issue is the “proposed” Health Care Plan …………… it is my understanding that they have exempted themselves. I’ll stand corrected if I am wrong.
In any case, the above amendment would ensure they couldn’t do that in the future. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander !
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
Not really NIF.
In March, 1863, Darwin wrote to J. D. Hooker: “… I have long regretted that I truckled to public opinion, and used the Pentateuchal term of ‘creation’, by which I really meant ‘appeared’ by some wholly unknown process.”
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F1577&pageseq=1
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
Common Sense
Agreed
Mike
They exempt themselves from the provisions of certain bills they pass, some anti-discrimination statues don’t apply to them from what I’ve read.
Normal
November 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
Mike, Give me a tall ship and a star…
Sea Fever
I must go down to the seas again, to the lonely sea and the sky,
And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by,
And the wheel’s kick and the wind’s song and the white sail’s shaking,
And a gray mist on the sea’s face, and a gray dawn breaking.
I must go down to the seas again, for the call of the running tide
Is a wild call and a clear call that may not be denied;
And all I ask is a windy day with the white clouds flying,
And the flung spray and the blown spume, and the sea-gulls crying.
I must go down to the seas again, to the vagrant gypsy life,
To the gull’s way and the whale’s way, where the wind’s like a whetted knife;
And all I ask is a merry yarn from a laughing fellow-rover,
And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.
John Masefield
getalife
November 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
Great.
I will be a Mexican and they legalized drugs.
Now back to the parody debate.
Good stuff
hi my name is mike
November 24th, 2009
4:43 pm
mindless phartison
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
4:47 pm
Mike
**Now if I only had some money**
That’s my problem. Credit means nothing when buying something like that, unless you have like half a mill of a credit line. I certainly don’t.
I love to sail, but it’s always been on someone else’s boat.
This is what I want: http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/14127
if the economy improves I’ll be able to put away some cash, but the price of that boat will go up like crazy. And so it goes.
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:47 pm
Common Sense –
“The Congress routinely “exempts” themselves from lots of legislation. For example, the “Civil Rights Act”. It’s like they are better than us.”
Help me understand this. I am not familiar with any exemption for Congressional members.
“The current issue is the “proposed” Health Care Plan …………… it is my understanding that they have exempted themselves. I’ll stand corrected if I am wrong.”
I’m not saying you are wrong, but I have never heard about this. I am interested in learning more, can you point me towards a source? If true, that would seem to be a stupid move for them politically.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
4:49 pm
Normal
**And quiet sleep and a sweet dream when the long trick’s over.**
There is nothing like sleeping on a boat that is far out of sight of land.
Sunshine and Thunder
November 24th, 2009
4:49 pm
“Or maybe you should go into a closet and sell your own pharts.
Milty”
Brain-dead, liberal butt jokes. The third grade class is just down the hall on the left.
Whoopee, the government saved Citigroup. Thank-you (dimocRAT) congress.
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:50 pm
OK. I found a whole bunch of laws that Congress is exempt from:
http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2ai.htm
Learn something every day!
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:51 pm
Normal –
Many thanks. I actually read it out loud
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
AmVet
Ah, what the hell does he know.
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:53 pm
NIF –
My dad actually got into sailing when he was in his forties and still does a lot in his 60s.
My attention span is too short for sailing, although it is nice to spend time with the old man.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
4:54 pm
Well, had to (got to?) check out early last p.m. and the holiday stay-with-y’all bunch are out seeing the sights, whatever they are, of lovely not-yet-reconstructed, occupied Atlanta and I had a little time to come back and say hello to this bunch of malcontents…
I see we’re still arguing how to downsize the country–why not let’s just go ahead and accept the Compromise of 1850 boundaries and let the imperial colony south of the Mason-Dixon-Ohio River-36 30 go its own way and see what they can come up with, citizenship determined in accordance with international standars of born there, automatic. Those born elsewhere who want to stay and are already resident can sign up and be given the rights of natural born citizens. Those still not sure can have 5 years to make up their minds at which time they can become naturalized citizens if they choose and their properties remain untouched. Those choosing to go immediately can liquidate their properties under a certain value, say a million dollars, and leave. Those not willing to take citizenship still here after five years would have their properties confiscated and sent packing. Those wishing to move here from outside would be dealt with on a case-by-case immigrant basis.
The one criterion that would be non-negotiable would be that in registration of populations no race or religion category could be used.
Just an idea…
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
4:56 pm
Normal–
Thanks for the poem…one of my all-time favorites from the time I was a wee child and Mama would recite it…
mike
November 24th, 2009
4:56 pm
josef nix -
Intriguing, but you need to start with a specific goal. What is the desired outcome?
samuel
November 24th, 2009
4:57 pm
To the conservatives on this blog, i have made this point too many times: Corporate welfare (bailouts, tax breaks) are a much bigger part of the federal budget than individual welfare payments. In Fiscal Year 2008, for example, individual welfare payments totaled $47.5 billion dollars. The bailout package was more than 15 times that amount. Conservatives constantly tout the benefits of unregulated free markets. Then why do GM, AIG and others need to be bailed out by the government? This most recent recession and financial crisis is the result of 30 years of the supply-side economics started by Ronald Reagan. Instead of people making money by making things, too many people make money by manipulating other people’s money. The real thieves aren’t people on welfare, but people who cheat hard-working Americans out of their money (Ken Lay, Bernie Madoff, any number of corporate executives who fly to Washington on corporate jets while begging for taxpayer money). If conservatives were more informed, they wouldn’t constantly spout this nonsense about government vs. free markets.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
5:02 pm
Mike
There’s nothing like it. You get so used to the noise of the little diesel that is pushing you out of the harbor, but when the sails open up and the engine is killed, there is just something about those sounds of the ocean with no motors that is very alien and very familiar at the same time.
I love the outer Abacos, where the water is crystal clear and only about 20-40 feet deep so you see all sorts of BIG sea creatures running along beside your boat. Then you put in to places like Hopetown http://www.visithopetown.com/gallery.html
or Green Turtle Cay
http://www.go-abacos.com/cocobay/aerials-1-12-7/GreenTurtleAerial-12.jpg
and hang at some little bar until time to go back out to the boat.
I’m in trouble now. I’ll be thinking about this for weeks.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
5:05 pm
Mike:
If you are really interested in this do the research. I think you will be amazed. The arrogance of those in Congress is beyond belief. That’s why we need term limits also.
It’s like when they want everyone in D.C. to send their kids to government schools but they would never send theirs ……………. they all go to private schools.
samuel
November 24th, 2009
5:05 pm
AmVet, thanks for the Todd Rundgren video from earlier today. It sums up my feelings perfectly.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:05 pm
mike–
The nature of empires is that they eventually fracture and fall. That fracture and fall can be degenerate, it can be violent and destructive, or it can be peaceful and thought out. But, from all past experience, it appears inevitable.
The desired outcome, from my perspective as a native of said area to ve decolonized, would be to have no one but ourselves to blame for our failures and no one to take credit for our success but ourselves and to be allowed to define ourselves for ourselves…
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:08 pm
NIF
Auburn graduates? Well, one of my cousins has a nice, restored ante-bellum in Mobile and a lovely villa in Barbados. Pretty fancy trailers, I’d venture…
Normal
November 24th, 2009
5:08 pm
Yes y’all, the ocean. Magnificent sun rises and sunsets. When the oceans gods are calm, the seas are like glass. Flying fish will jump right onto your ship and become dinner. Dolphins play tag at the bow, surfing in the wake. The tips of the waves glisten and reflect the sunlight or moonlight like a Kaleidoscope.
But when the ocean Gods are angry, the wind, the waves, the very depths themselves try to crush you. At that time, when your ship is being tossed, you raise your fist and shout, “not this time.” “We will prevail”. But you fear the power of the storm. Then dawn comes and the seas have lessened and you realize you have been tested and pronounced…Sailor. G-d bless the oceans.
Sorry for waxing poetic, but I do miss the seas…
mike
November 24th, 2009
5:09 pm
samuel –
“To the conservatives on this blog, i have made this point too many times: ”
Apparently this is your pet spiel, as you are brining this up out of nowhere.
“Corporate welfare (bailouts, tax breaks) are a much bigger part of the federal budget than individual welfare payments.”
“Tax breaks” are part of the federal budget? What “tax breaks” are you talking about?
“In Fiscal Year 2008, for example, individual welfare payments totaled $47.5 billion dollars. The bailout package was more than 15 times that amount.”
This action was supported by liberals too and is defended to this day by the Obama admin who provided much of this bailout. Don’t try to pin the bailouts on mean old conservatives.
” Conservatives constantly tout the benefits of unregulated free markets.”
No conservatives support some regulation. Conservatives oppose over-regulation.
“Then why do GM, AIG and others need to be bailed out by the government? ”
How did lack of regulation have anything to do with GM’s demise. Be specific.
“This most recent recession and financial crisis is the result of 30 years of the supply-side economics started by Ronald Reagan.”
This is a very simplistic and partisan explanation. You seem to forget the role that Carter and Clinton played in deregulation and are ignoring that massive burden that our entitlements are placing on our economy.
“Instead of people making money by making things, too many people make money by manipulating other people’s money.”
And why are you blaming conservatives for this. You do know that Obama raised a ton more form Wall Street than McCain did, right?
“The real thieves aren’t people on welfare, but people who cheat hard-working Americans out of their money (Ken Lay, Bernie Madoff, any number of corporate executives who fly to Washington on corporate jets while begging for taxpayer money).”
Let me know if you ever find anyone who disagrees with you about corporate crooks. BTW: Madoff was a huge Democrat fund raiser, so again blaming this on conservatives is silly.
“If conservatives were more informed, they wouldn’t constantly spout this nonsense about government vs. free markets.”
Hmm. Let’s see if you can respond to my questions before you start sneering about who is informed.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:10 pm
common sense…
“It’s like when they want everyone in D.C. to send their kids to government schools but they would never send theirs ……………. they all go to private schools.”
One of the many reasons I don’t hold Ima Gonna in the highest regard. Talks the talk, but don’t walk the walk. The very definition of hypocrite in my lowly opinion….
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
5:13 pm
Josef
From last night, my comment about “can it really be colonialism when you’re colonizing your own country?” was meant tongue and cheek with a little dose of irony thrown in. I think you had already left before I could explain that.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
5:15 pm
Normal
**but I do miss the seas…**
It’s been two years for me. We were on a 54′ Cat. A rental.
I hope this economy hurries up. I’m growing old and I need to get back to the Islands.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
5:16 pm
Mike:
I hope you know that it’s the “filthy rich” that make this country so great. I only hope we can make more of them. They buy yachts, etc. and guess what that does? It provides work for thousands. The bottom line is, the more money rich people have to buy expensive things the better off we all are ………………..
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
5:17 pm
josef
It’s an SEC joke. Lighten up.
mike
November 24th, 2009
5:17 pm
josef nix –
“The nature of empires is that they eventually fracture and fall. That fracture and fall can be degenerate, it can be violent and destructive, or it can be peaceful and thought out. But, from all past experience, it appears inevitable.”
I actually agree with you on this. My shorthand is that “democracy does not scale”.
When a democracy gets to the point a 60/40 vote leaves 60 million voters on the losing side, it can’t function. We are definitely at a point where the country is so big and the needs and wishes of the electorate are so diverse that the government can’t really represent the people or get any meaningful legislation through.
I would love to see the federal government just defend the borders and uphold the Constitution. Let the states drive everything else with the understanding that intra-state migration can never be hindered. Then you can move to the state that best matches your views
mike
November 24th, 2009
5:19 pm
Common Sense –
Why is that comment directed at me?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:22 pm
NIF–
Oh, not to worry, I knew that… I was just joshin’, too…! I should have put in a
mike–
I disagree on the unhindered intra state migration…I’m opposed to it for the same reasons as a Latvian or a Moldavian would have been under the Soviet regime…
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
5:26 pm
samuel, yuo’re welcome. Glad you like it…
Take the socialist bailouts out of the numbers and corporate welfare is still a massive, thoroughly corrupted boondoggle paid for by taxpayers.
The exact numbers are almost impossible to calculate but direct subsidies alone are about 65 billion dollars. EVERY year.
Boeing, Xerox, IBM, Motorola, Dow Chemical, General Electric, and MANY others have received untold millions in taxpayer-funded benefits through programs like the Advanced Technology Program and the Export-Import Bank.
And don’t forget about poor ADM which gets mountains of cash from the federal crop subsidy programs.
These giveaways and other “sales” at giveaway prices of the sovereign people’s assets to corporations by Uncle Sam is a national disgrace…
Repukes and DummyCrats are ALL Scum
November 24th, 2009
5:26 pm
How naive of Jay, it is not size but political clout that matters. AIG was bailed out not to save AIG, rather it was bailed out to save Hank Poulson’s old firm, Goldman Sacs. Taxpayer money went in the front door at AIG, and immediately flowed out the back door to Goldman. Tiny Tim the Tax Cheat forced AIG to pay off Goldman at 100 cents on the dollar, when AIG had already agreed with Goldman that 40 cents on the dollar was all they would get. The taxpayer got shafted by Tiny Tim and his Tiny crooked brain, but then again we know what he is, now don’t we? A New York City crook.
Nothing Is Free
November 24th, 2009
5:27 pm
Common Sense
**They buy yachts, etc. and guess what that does? It provides work for thousands. **
Not much anymore. The Clinton/DNC administration of the early 90s with their luxury taxes forced almost all the really good boat builders to either go under or go off shore. i think Irwin is still in business, but they bring in hulls from somewhere else and Morgan was bought by Bertram and while they are still sold in Florida, I don’t think they are built here anymore.
The really fine hand built boats are all gone to South America and Asia. Now, like everything else, the really nice boats are all built in Japan.
Tax the rich and the rich will leave. How long will it take the Democrats to figure that one out?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:28 pm
Hillbilly–
Oh, believe me, there was no explantion necessary. I caught the irony and defintely am in your corner on that one—but ssh we ain’t supposed to talk about that!
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
5:33 pm
Tax the rich and the rich will leave.
Or as Alvin Lee wrote,
Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more
I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you
Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, No none for me
I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you
Oh yeah
World pollution, there’s no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Senators stop the war
I’d love to change the world
But I don’t know what to do
So I’ll leave it up to you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzrUqAtUcpU
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:34 pm
AmVet–
Eat the rich!
Pogo
November 24th, 2009
5:35 pm
I agree that I am sickened by the “too big to fail” cop-out. There is no such thing in a healthy capitalistic economy. What happened when Pan-Am imploded and everyone was saying “they’re too big to fail”? They failed and others stepped in to take their place. That is the way it is supposed to work. Other big companies have fallen but capitalism has corrected itself time and time again.
Don’t think Obama will do anything about it because he is owned and operated by General Electric and George Soros both of who stand to make big money if his socialistic programs are put in place. The expect payment for their support of his campaign last year.
AmVet
November 24th, 2009
5:44 pm
josef, now you’ve gone all Soylent Green on me!
I got a card today from Amnesty International (BOO! HISS!!) with this on it.
And I’m not sure why but I thought of you.
Ne sois pas découragé. Tu nés pas oublié.
(Do not be discouraged. You are not forgotten.)
hi my name is mike
November 24th, 2009
5:48 pm
the word of the day is:
pedantic
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
5:52 pm
AmVet–
Why did you think of me? Well, Amnesty Interntational is one of those organizations on our support list!
Pogo
November 24th, 2009
5:55 pm
AmVet, I saw Ten Years After live three times and loved it. Alvin Lee is one of the better ax masters and he was definitely under-rated. His performance at Woodstock was great (though it was probably fueled by a few stimulants of some kind but hey, who cares?). I think what he was saying when he said, “tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no, rich no more” he was rebelling about the legendary high tax rates in England. He also said, “tell me where is sanity?”. He certainly thrived off of the money he was making under capitalism and he deserved to be payed well because he was an excellent entertainer. He was not some kind of marxist poet, just a person trying to make sense of the madness. Not much has changed I guess.
A
November 24th, 2009
5:58 pm
Well there ya go!
Great karma, huh?
It just seemed like the kind of thing you would like.
A
November 24th, 2009
6:00 pm
No doubt Pogo, I agree with that analysis.
I too saw him once – in a tiny little place in Lakeland, Florida.
And yeah, it’s funny how in some ways that song resonates as clearly today as it did 38 years ago…
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
6:00 pm
AmVet–
Have you seen the bumper sticker: “my karma just ran over your dogma?”
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
6:10 pm
So Obama has made his Afghanistan decision and we only have to wait a week to find out what it is. Funny how trillion dollar spending bills can go from intro to signature in less time.
Kamchak
November 24th, 2009
6:12 pm
josef
Shoes to kick your dogma.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
6:12 pm
Mike:
Sorry …….. my mistake @ 5:15. Wasn’t directed at you as I think we are in agreement on that one.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
6:14 pm
RW– I’m waiting, but not with bated breath…
K’Chak–You’re good!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
6:18 pm
Brazil, Japan, China, Russia and Israel are all countries with their own national interests that do not necessarily comport with those of the United States. All have come to see Obama as a diffident, dithering, doubting dilettante who can be dissed with impunity. And none of these nations is going to sacrifice what it considers critical to win a smile from Barack Obama.-RCP
Don’t forget Iran!
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
6:21 pm
“Brazil, Japan, China, Russia and Israel are all countries with their own national interests that do not necessarily comport with those of the United States…”
And once again there’s little ole Israel right up there with the big boys…that’s one bad a** little feller…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
6:23 pm
Now we’re talking-
This is an enormous case of organized scientific fraud, but it is not just scientific fraud. It is also a criminal act. Suborned by billions of taxpayer dollars devoted to climate research, dozens of prominent scientists have established a criminal racket in which they seek government money-Phil Jones has raked in a total of £13.7 million in grants from the British government-which they then use to falsify data and defraud the taxpayers. It’s the most insidious kind of fraud: a fraud in which the culprits are lauded as public heroes. Judging from this cache of e-mails, they even manage to tell themselves that their manipulation of the data is intended to protect a bigger truth and prevent it from being “confused” by inconvenient facts and uncontrolled criticism.-RCP
Prosecute. To the fullest extent of the law.
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
6:26 pm
josef,
The rumor is that he plans to start sending 34,000 more troops in June of next year, but he has some kind of built in triggers to pull out if we aren’t successful in a very short window. Since the strategy is supposed to be counter insurgency and that relies on the population believing you stand with them it’s pretty much doomed to failure when they know we’re short timers. If that’s really his plan then he needs to get our troops the hell out of there right now.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
6:28 pm
The gap between Obama’s approval rating among Democrats and among Republicans is nearly 70 percentage points — a higher partisan divide than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush experienced. Obama’s agenda and actions this year, and some mistakes, have solidified this divide.
Like it or not, if Sarah Palin decides to seek our nation’s highest office, she has a shot. The probability of her success depends on her ability, and that of President Obama, to admit and learn from their mistakes as we head into 2012. -Washington Post
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Old Retired English Professor
November 24th, 2009
6:29 pm
You might well ask why Paulsen bailed out Morgan Stanley but not Lehman Brothers. It’s more than just doing a favor for a former employer.
Here’s a hint: Lehman Brothers was run by Democratic executives.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
6:31 pm
RW–
It’s pretty hard to determine who the insurgents are…
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
6:36 pm
josef,
The villagers know and that’s why they have to believe we’re with them for the long term for this strategy to work.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
6:39 pm
RW– They know, all right, and they know who’s list they’ll be on when we turn tail and run if they sign on…
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
6:47 pm
Ooo Rah!
Headline: “Marines in Afghanistan Not Waiting for Obama’s Strategy”
That headline won’t sit well with private Obama !!!
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Afghanistan/afghan-town-us-marines-crossroads/story?id=9152057
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
6:58 pm
Corp- So what made you decide to return?
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
6:58 pm
Off Topic:
There’s a show tonight on National Geographic Channel tonight called “America Before Columbus”. I’ve seen part of it before and the part I saw was fairly interesting.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
7:04 pm
Hillbilly–
Wha’cha mean America before Columbus? I didn’t read nuthin’ ’bout that in no textbook…
samuel
November 24th, 2009
7:11 pm
Mike@5:09, I think that AmVet’s post @ 5:26 gives you some idea of what corporate subsidies cost taxpayers every year. I’m not a businessman, so I wouldn’t know.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
7:13 pm
Josef
There were people here but of course they didn’t know they were here. They had to be discovered before they realized they were here.
And on a similar subject, I’ve always been amazed at Thomas Jefferson and Lewis and Clark and the Expedition. These men were educated and quite intelligent but it never dawned on them that the various tribes they met might have their own views on things and their own self-interest at heart. In hindsight that’s a pretty naive view. I think maybe that’s why the French seemed to get along better with the Indians; they viewed them as trading partners whereas the Spanish viewed them as people to be conquered and the English viewed them as people in the way of westward expansion.
Of course the various tribes didn’t always see eye to eye either. I guess the moral of the story is people can always find a way to justify abusing other people. Been going on since Cain and Abel.
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
7:19 pm
Publog Service Announcement.
That NatGeo show Hillbilly D is talking about comes on from 8 to 10 then repeats from 11 to 1:00
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
7:30 pm
Hillbilly– One of the untold stories of American history is that of the South and the development of the Mixed Blood cultural milieu. Unlike the rest of the country, the Southeast from day one had a distinct character with intermarriage between the Indigenous people and the European and African elements. You will note that among the posters here there is a much higher awareness of Indian issues among the Southern posters and many, if not most, acknowledge with pride their Indian ancestry, fully aware of which side and which great-grandma or grandpa it was, though the textbook version has the red blood disappear completely with the Removals…and it was those areas with a French colonial past that the mixed bloods reached the highest levels of acceptance and got the best “deals” during Removals…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
7:45 pm
You will note that among the posters here there is a much higher awareness of Indian issues among the Southern posters and many, if not most, acknowledge with pride their Indian ancestry
This is true and I’m of the opinion you should be proud of what you are, no matter your heritage. I’ve never found any direct ancestory in my line, going back many generations, but some of their siblings did marry into the Cherokee line. My ancestors did work along side them, trade with them, and were friends with them. The story here is that in the 1820’s-30’s around here, when there was funeral, it would be attended by about a 50/50 mix of settlers and Cherokees.
Many of the Cherokees used to come back here and visit for several weeks from Oklahoma as late as the early 1900’s. I heard a story (can’t remember the family name) of a young boy sitting by the fire with his family one night. He heard someone hollering outside in a strange tongue. He didn’t know what was going on and suddenly his Dad jumped up and started hollering back in the same tongue. His Dad opened the door and it was a group of Cherokees that he had known before the removal, coming back to visit.
We could probably write a volume of textbooks abouut what isn’t in textbooks. Since it’s coming up we could start with Thanksgiving and proceed on to what I view as the myth of our “Puritan” heritage. Don’t know about you but none of my ancestors were Puritans, even though the first ones got here in 1610 and the last ones were here by the mid 1700’s. All were here before the Revolution but none were Puritans or even lived near any.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
8:03 pm
Hillbilly–
If you want a whale of a read on the interaction between the Cherokee and the whites, go look into Sam Houston’s story…he lived as a young man among them, spoke the language fluently, often dressed in Cherokee style, married a Cherokee woman and when President of the Texas Republic, addressed Congress in Cherokee and during Removals, conducted treaties with the Cherokee and Choctaw people to bring them to Texas and a considerable number took him up on it…
Under the terms of Article 14 of the Treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek, one third of the citizens of the Choctaw Nation chose to remain in Mississippi and become citizens of the United States. The current governor of Mississippi, Haley Barbour, is a descendent of Greenwood Leflore, who negotiated the treaty on behalf of the Choctaw. It is of note that those Choctaw who stayed made up some 30% of the “white” population of Mississippi in the next census…
At the time of the Dawes Roll, only 20% of those allowed to enroll as citizens of the Five Civilized Tribes were considered “pure bloods.”
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
8:10 pm
I’m off to watch TV. Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t Sequoyah, Stand Watie, Buck Watie and others of some mixed heritage?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
8:18 pm
Hillbilly–all were of Mixed Blood..like you, I have no Indian blood in my direct line, but I’m by no means the first generation to marry one! One branch of the Nix family intermarried with the Cherokee and were deported during Removal. On the Dawes Roll, there are some 20 of them registered and two have Cherokee given names and there among them is Robert E. Lee Nix, enrolled citizen of the Cherokee Nation! In another line, an intermarried couple chose to go to Oklahoma and five of them served under Watie in the Wah-uh. They and their descendents were not allowed to register under the Dawes Roll…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
8:20 pm
I can’t believe the NFL week 12 picks went into the spamcan.
Now you’ll never know.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
8:21 pm
I need to get the picks out early since I will be in ChiTown the rest of the week-
Giants over Broncos.
Falcons over Bucs, GFY (good for you) dirty birds.
Texans over the Colts (yep, I said it.)
Vikings over the Bears by a ton.
Patriots at the Saints, hmmmmmm.
I’ll get back to you on that one.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
8:22 pm
I figured it out, spammie doesn’t like an arrow like the one I had pointed at the Texans/ Colts.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
8:24 pm
Ooops, I forgot the Steelers over the Ravens.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
8:27 pm
Hell with it, the Patriots.
Bud Wiser
November 24th, 2009
8:44 pm
Step 1: fire Timothy Geithner. That idiot couldn’t manage money from a kid’s lemonade stand.
Step 2: forget all this health care crapola fiasco for now and concentrate on a way to get small businesses to hire people; tax cuts and incentives for small businesses might be a good place to start.
Step 3: a way to test out the “too large to fail” concept would be to let one fail and see what happens; my guess is that everything would pretty much go along and competitiors would fill in the holes. Taking over an industry to be managed by govt is INSANE, they cannot even run their own shop, much less a real economic business for profit.
Step 4: try reading some of this crap you pass as bills into law before suddenly starting to enact them, and only then find out how it is really working.
That’s it.
Everyone have an enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday, I know I am.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 24th, 2009
8:47 pm
Well, I see they held that state supper and it was attended by a bunch of librul Democrats and the Hollywood Commies. Nary a redneck on the list. Anyway, everybody’s raving about the Lantern Jaw and her cream colored evening dress and all that junk.
Just wait till Sarah gets elected in 2012. That state supper will have the biggest bunch of rednecks in Washington since Andrew Jackson was elected and they tore up the White House lawn and half the furniture.
Anyhow, they don’t have long to keep us out. Just three more years. Have a good night everybody.
Oh, almost forgot. Tell mike it wasn’t me that wrote that stuff about him watching Glenn Beck and smelling his You Know Whats and all that stuff. But it was pretty funny.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:12 pm
Headline U.K. : “Bob Ainsworth, the British Defence Secretary, has blamed Barack Obama and the United States for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan.”
Private Obama strikes again ………………
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6646179/Bob-Ainsworth-criticises-Barack-Obama-over-Afghanistan.html
Midori
November 24th, 2009
9:19 pm
Common Sense,
you act as if that’s a bad thing.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:35 pm
Midori:
When our liberal British friends think Obama is screwed up ……… you figure it out.
And the polls are going down, down, down ……………..
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:37 pm
UNBELIEVABLE ………………….
Why anyone would even want to serve today is beyond me ……….. under these politically correct regulations, half the Marines in Nam would have gone to jail. You didn’t have to shoot that Viet Cong ………. he was running away …….. boo hoo hoo ……………
“Navy SEALs Face Assault Charges for Capturing Most-Wanted Terrorist”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576646,00.html?test=latestnews
Midori
November 24th, 2009
9:40 pm
When our liberal British friends think Obama is screwed up ……… you figure it out.
what’s to figure out?
And the polls are going down, down, down ……………..
ha!! he can afford to shed 30 or so points, and still beat out his “predecessor”
Kamchak
November 24th, 2009
9:41 pm
Headline U.K. : “Bob Ainsworth, the British Defence Secretary, has blamed Barack Obama and the United States for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan.”
Private Obama strikes again ………………
In the words of Paul Harvey–here’s “the rest of the sto-ry.”
Mr Ainsworth said he is confident that once Mr Obama confirms his new strategy, allies will follow and British public opinion will shift back in favour of the mission.
“I hope and believe that we are about to get an announcement from the USA on troop numbers and I think that that will be followed by contributions from many other Nato allies and so we will be able to show that we are going forward in this campaign to an extent that we have not been able to in recent months with those issues still hanging,” he said.
Mr Ainsworth was appointed defence secretary earlier this year, his first Cabinet post.
A former factory worker and union official, he has faced questions about whether he has the stature or political clout to oversee the Armed Forces at a time of war.
In August, he told The Daily Telegraph he was less intellectually accomplished than the commanders who answer to him and suggested that his critics are motivated by class prejudice.
A report earlier this week suggested that Mr Brown is considering removing Mr Ainsworth and replacing him with Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:41 pm
GOOD READ (Libs. – don’t read this. You’ll have nightmares tonight and I don’t want to be responsible !!)
New York Post
November 24, 2009
Pg. 27
Afraid To Kill
‘Fighting’ terror with wishful thinking
By Ralph Peters
It’s not true that the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist. Even dead terrorists aren’t good. But at least they’re dead. And that helps. But political correctness has possessed Washington. It’s so bad that even Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who’s done a great job in many other respects, parrots the cliché that “we can’t kill our way out of this.”
Well, folks, there’s no other way out of this all-or-nothing struggle with fanatics. Three thousand years of history teach that there’s no alternative – none – to killing fanatics in large numbers when your enemies are ablaze with religious zeal.
What Gates and countless others really mean is that we’re unwilling to kill our way out of this assault on our civilization. So the terrorists keep on killing us.
We tell ourselves that one more charm offensive, one more inept aid program, one more surge of troops who aren’t allowed to fight will persuade terrorists on a murderous mission from their god to lay down their arms and run for alderman.
We refuse to see the world through terrorist eyes. Instead, we superimpose liberal-arts-faculty values on bloodthirsty zealots, asking what we’ve done to make them so angry.
The result? We grant captured terrorists more rights and better treatment than nonviolent offenders in a US county jail. We cater to them at the gentrified prison at Guantanamo (yet the global media insist that Gitmo’s just a big torture chamber).
We tell ourselves we’ll impress our enemies with our humanitarianism. But how many Gitmo prisoners have turned pacifist or expressed regrets? If you were convinced that you were doing God’s will, would you be budged by a captor who gives you priority health care, a religiously correct diet, special worship privileges and free legal counsel? Allah has made his enemies weak . . .
The laws of war provide for the battlefield execution of illegal combatants – those who refuse to wear uniforms or identifying insignia or who commit atrocities. Instead, we give them flu shots before American citizens can get them.
When a madcap ideologue such as Attorney General Eric Holder tells Congress we mustn’t be afraid to try terrorists in our judicial system, he gets it exactly wrong. The terrorists believe we’re afraid to kill them. And they’re right.
So we’ll get the upcoming propaganda bonanza of the trial of 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed and his terrorist barbershop quartet. And we’ll squander hundreds of millions of dollars on special security precautions in Manhattan. The inevitable outcome? We’ll make heroes of the terrorists throughout the Muslim world.
Meanwhile, down in Texas, terrorist assassin Maj. Nidal Hasan’s lawyer is already making a mockery of our judicial system. Hasan will become a terrorist icon, too.
And even if Hasan, KSM and the boys are all convicted of multiple counts of premeditated murder, they won’t be executed for many years to come – if ever.
How does this deter fanatical enemies? Our insistence on treating terrorism as shoplifting that got a little out of hand does not protect Americans.
Terrified of the new global reality, Washington refuses to accept that we’re no longer dealing with the political terrorists of the 20th century – some of whom could, indeed, be won over or bought off. We’re now dealing with religious madmen hungry for an apocalypse. And our government and the media scramble to deny that Islam has anything to do with it. The poor terrorists just have grievances.
If Khalid Sheik Mohammed has a heart attack during his trial, he’ll get better health care than most Post readers. Paralyzed from the waist down, Maj. Hasan will get priority on rehab treatment over our vets from Iraq and Afghanistan.
Bring terrorists to Manhattan? They should never have made it to Gitmo.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:44 pm
Kamchak:
Doesn’t change his original statement or the fact that U.S. soldiers have died unnecessarily while Obama dawdles …………….
Midori
November 24th, 2009
9:44 pm
Common Sense – don’t read this:
thanks Kamchak — shoulda known Make No Sense was holding out on me
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:46 pm
Midori:
You fit the old saying ……… “You can lead a thristy horse to water but you can’t make it drink.”
Hang tough …………. but don’t whine down the road.
Kamchak
November 24th, 2009
9:49 pm
Midori
Just goes to prove Robert A. Heinlein’s quote–”Good sense is never common.”
BTW–it is being postulated the Common Sense is le petit caporal.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
9:49 pm
Midori:
See my 9:44 Soldiers die while the President dawdles.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
9:54 pm
Corporal- If I would have caught Ahmed Hashim Abed, he would have had a lot more than just a bloody lip. The dude likes to hang people from bridges and that is where I would have started.
No matter what Obozo felt about it.
Nine & Five on Charlie
November 24th, 2009
9:57 pm
Terrorists should never leave the battlefield. End of story.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
9:57 pm
K’chack
“BTW–it is being postulated the Common Sense is le petit caporal.”
Donc, sois sage!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 24th, 2009
9:58 pm
Upchuck- You left out some of the story too-
Senior British Government sources have become increasingly frustrated with Mr Obama’s “dithering” on Afghanistan, the Daily Telegraph disclosed earlier this month, with several former British defence chiefs echoing the concerns.
Our little party animal can’t be bothered with such trifle.
It’s only American soldiers that are dying, whoop de doo, right, liberals?
Midori
November 24th, 2009
10:03 pm
Kamchak – that’s a “private” joke!!
I think he’s upset with me now.
As I recall, Corporal used to get all out of shape over my comments too.
Hmmmmmmmmm………….
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:03 pm
“It’s only American soldiers that are dying, whoop de doo, right, liberals?”
That is not true. There have been Canadian, French, German, Brits…among others.
getalife
November 24th, 2009
10:04 pm
Looks like a 10 year war to me so enjoy it you warmongers.
Then he will leave like w and there will be peace.
Just not in Afghanistan, Iraq, or other ongoing conflicts.
Kamchak
November 24th, 2009
10:04 pm
Upchuck- You left out some of the story too-
As did you—
Attempting to play down Mr Ainsworth’s remarks, No 10 and the Ministry of Defence last night made a statement backing Mr Obama’s deliberations.
It stated: “It is right that Nato partners have taken the time to review next steps in the campaign. These are hugely important issues that rightly need careful and detailed consideration.”
In an article in this newspaper today Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrat leader, claims that the reason public opinion is switching against the war in Afghanistan is because of the lies told in the run up to the Iraq war.
Mr Clegg also calls for a new approach to Afghanistan from the US. He writes: “We now need a complete change of strategy, which we still hope President Obama will announce next week.”
Midori
November 24th, 2009
10:06 pm
LOL!!!
Andy – meet Paul Harvey!!
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:09 pm
Hey, did Obama bow or kowtow to the Prime Minister of India, or kiss his feet or anything?
I didn’t get a chance to watch the news tonight.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:12 pm
Hey, I thought that was supposed to be a black tie event. What’s the Prime Minister doing wearing a Detroit Lions blue towel ?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:13 pm
“Hey, did Obama bow or kowtow to the Prime Minister of India, or kiss his feet or anything? ”
I hear he offered him a job organizing the workers at the call center in Bangalore…
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:15 pm
josef:
LOL !!!
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:15 pm
BTW–
Prime Minister Singh is a Sikh–they’re not towel heads…incidentall Gov. Jindal was a guest…
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:15 pm
“We are being going to the White House now to being eating now !”
getalife
November 24th, 2009
10:16 pm
The Brits starting an Iraq War inquiry into those lies but their people had enough with losing their troops.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:17 pm
Question–was PM Singh allowed in with the dagger?
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:19 pm
Yes, and Gov. Jindal is a Christian ……… good but a little unusual among those from Inja !
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:22 pm
Common Sense–
Not really, there are about 25 million Indian Christians and their history goes back to the earliest days of Christianity.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:22 pm
josef nix:
Why not ……….. his Indian security guards would have been armed also.
Hilbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
10:23 pm
I hear he offered him a job organizing the workers at the call center in Bangalore…
Once when I called the call center the guy told me his name was Randy but when I got my customer service survey it said his name was Aranuva. He was a nice enough guy but he couldn’t fix my problem. I had to spell everything I said to him but I often have to do that when talking to p eople up north on the phone too.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:26 pm
Well Mr. Nix:
Like I said, with the population of India being about 1.2 Billion (1,000 million makes a billion) then that 25 million is pretty small isn’t it ?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:27 pm
common sense–
The Indian Christians officially, and historically, trace their genesis to the Apostle, St. Bartholmew, but there is a tradition that the Christ travelled to India during the “missing years” of his life, going to preach to the Malabar Jews.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:29 pm
Common Sense–it’s between 2-3% of the total and is a highly placed community. That’s about the percentage of Jews and Muslims in the US
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:31 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8iUJ2yD27k&feature=related
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:32 pm
Mr. nix:
Like I said, 2-3% is pretty small. Juice it up any way you want. By the way, I wish it were much highter.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:33 pm
Common Sense–
We had the question of the kirpan come up at my school a few years back when the zero tolerance rule was put into place…the father chose not to make “a federal case” of the matter. Canada recently ruled that students could wear it…
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:35 pm
small: /smɔl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [smawl] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, adverb, -er, -est, noun
…………….. of low numerical value; denoted by a low number.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:36 pm
Hillbilly–
Didn’t catch the program, but Unmentionable gave it 3 feathers!
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:37 pm
josef nix:
Well then, if a Sikh’s son get to wear his India Toothpick then my son gets to wear his Roy Rogers six shooter.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:38 pm
CS
Small does not preclude significant…
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:39 pm
CS
Is it a part of his religion?
Hilbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
10:41 pm
Josef
I enjoyed it. In my view it as informative without a particular axe to grind. They did good at giving a balanced view I thought.
Not that it matters but when I say “small”, I pronouce it sm-all not sm-awl. No “w” in it for me.
Hilbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
10:41 pm
*was informative
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:43 pm
josef nix:
You bet. The NRA. Like my friend to went to an ROTC high school in the 60’s. The drilled with M-1’s everyday. Oh, the horror !!!
And we used to play “numblypeg” with our pocket knives at recess. The teacher would come by and say “careful boys, you stick one in your foot” !
Now our schools have become full blown zero tolerance institutions of political correctness where even a picture of a gun gets you suspended.
God help us.
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:44 pm
P.S.
“Small does not preclude significant…”
mutually exclusive ………………
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:44 pm
Enter your comments here
Common Sense
November 24th, 2009
10:52 pm
O.K. guys …………… lights out ……… tomorrow then !
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
10:52 pm
Common Sense–
The policy is sometimes absolutely r-word. A high school student, whose mother was a vice-principal, was suspended for bringing in her collection of African knives and we are not allowed to have a knife to cut the birthday cakes!
Hillbilly–
Unmentionable was of the same opinion…he said he did get a chuckle over the “gift” of syphilis!
And my sma-ul does have the sound, which, incidentally is the combination of the “dark” and “light” L. Polish is the only other language I know of that has the dark L…
Hilbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
10:58 pm
So how DO y’all divvy up the birthday cake without a knife?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
11:00 pm
Hillbilly–
A “pie server!” It’s NOT a knife, therefore NOT a weapon! Go figure!
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
11:03 pm
D*ck Cheney…
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:08 pm
D*ck Cheney…
josef,
Are you testing that theory of how to flush Bosch out of the weeds?
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
11:09 pm
RW–
Yep!
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:11 pm
Then you’ll probably have to yell it out a bit. Bosch is likely well in his cups by now.
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
11:15 pm
RW–
D*CK CHENEY!
Sounds like the tourists are back…need to be social for a bit…hope they’re tired!
josef nix
November 24th, 2009
11:16 pm
RW–
leaving it to you to get top of the page…
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:19 pm
That’s
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:19 pm
quite
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
11:19 pm
A “pie server!” It’s NOT a knife, therefore NOT a weapon! Go figure!
And I was picturing y’all sawing it in pieces with dental floss.
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:19 pm
a
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:20 pm
climb!
RW-(the original)
November 24th, 2009
11:22 pm
Skeered me when Hillbilly D jumped in, but I kept my poise and despite him and the evil moderator telling me to slow down because I was posting too fast I made it.
/bows like Obama before anyone with an interesting sounding title….
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 24th, 2009
11:23 pm
Congrats on that 301 thing. Off to bed for me.
Rightwing Troll
November 25th, 2009
6:06 am
“Corporal- If I would have caught Ahmed Hashim Abed, he would have had a lot more than just a bloody lip. The dude likes to hang people from bridges and that is where I would have started.
No matter what Obozo felt about it.”
Well… I guess it’s a darn good thing for him that he didn’t show up there in your mom’s basement…
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
6:44 am
G’morning All
Seems like I missed out on some fun yesterday evening. That’s the first time I’ve seen a parody of a parody get snippy with someone here. lol!!
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
6:54 am
Today in history:
1715 – 1st English patent granted to an American, for processing corn
1744 – Austrian forces pillage & kill Jews of Prague
1758 – Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is founded.
1817 – 1st sword swallower in US performs (NYC)
1841 – 35 Amistad survivors return to Africa
1863 – Battle of Missionary Ridge, Tennessee
1864 – Confederate plot to burn NYC, fails
1864 – Confederate retreat at Sandersville, Georgia
1867 – Alfred Nobel patents dynamite
1884 – John B Meyenberg of St Louis patents evaporated milk
1920 – 1st Thanksgiving Parade (Phila)
1940 – Woody Woodpecker debuts with release of Walter Lantz’s “Knock Knock”
1941 – German Jews in Netherlands declared stateless (lose of nationality)
1952 – Only win ever for NFL’s Dallas Texans (11-1) beats Bears 27-23
1955 – Race segregation forbidden on trains & buses between US states
1960 – 1st atomic reactor for research & development, Richland Wa
1963 – JFK laid to rest at Arlington National Cemetery
1966 – Jimi Hendrix Experience makes its London debut at Bag O’ Nails Club
1971 – “Dan Cooper” jumps with $200,000 out of plane over Washington
1973 – Maximum speed limit cut to 55 MPH as an energy conservation measure
1979 – Israel returns Alma oilfields in Gulf of Suez to Egypt
1983 – World’s greatest robbery 25,000,000 pounds of gold, Heathrow, England
1986 – Iran-Contra affair erupts, Pres Reagan reveals secret arm deal
1996 – After 24 years, Disneyland Main Street Electrical Parade, ends
Normal
November 25th, 2009
7:21 am
MR. PRESIDENT, DO NOT RAISE TROOP LEVELS IN AFGHANISTAN. BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
7:26 am
ABM, 1864 – Confederate plot to burn NYC, fails
Dang, (sorry Scooter), I’m sorry we missed that one…
———–
Good morning and Happy Thanksgiving Eve! I hope your birds are thawed and resting. That’s the secret, you know. That, plus a garlic butter rub twice a day until its put in the oven. Stuffed and golden. Yummy, yummy, yummy.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
7:27 am
Hunt on for Darwin’s ‘Species’ notebook- British authorities say they’re searching for a leather-bound notebook Charles Darwin used in developing his theory of natural selection.- Urinal
Maybe it “evolved” into an ash heap?
Anyway, you can’t find the “book” or any proof hahahaha, heathens.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
7:30 am
NATIONAL CITY, Calif. — A tempest in a trash can is brewing in San Diego County, where ACORN is trying to recover tens of thousands of documents taken from its garbage by a Republican activist.-Urinal
Capiche?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
7:32 am
Climate bill skeptics probe e-mail thefts. -Urinal
The crime is not defrauding the nations of the world of Trillions of dollars, the crime is “stealing” the emails, according to the AJC, anyway.
TW
November 25th, 2009
7:34 am
Seriously though, if the right has the corner on ‘hard work’ – why is the base so fat and out of shape? Go to the Wal-marts in the red parts of town and tell me I’m wrong
I mean, vicarious soldiering in one thing, but at least get a freakin’ job if you’re gonna complain about the gov’t…and maybe eat a carrot now and again…, what with the way they got to play war in Iraq without actually getting shot at, so maybe they do the same thing with ‘hard work’?
But then, why actually work hard, when all you have to do is pretend to?
Why actually help out the less fortunate when there’s no fee in claiming you’re a Christian?
God I miss the real Republicans…
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
7:34 am
Normal
It would be interesting to see how history would have changed had they succeeded.
Somebody else is doing the bird this year. Gotta work tomorrow, so it will be just another day except for the big meal after work. Don’t eat too much!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
7:36 am
In your face-
$7 million package approved for AIG chief, Benmosche told AIG employees in a letter earlier this month that while he was frustrated by the regulatory oversight he was committed to staying on at AIG. -Urinal
For 7 mil, I stick around too.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
7:38 am
TW
November 25th, 2009
7:34 am
Look at Luchovich’s cartoon this morning…says it all
—————————
ABM, My doctor told me he didn’t want to see me breaking his rules this holiday season…I told him to look the other way.
Truth hurts
November 25th, 2009
7:40 am
Hope wains.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/mish-unemployment-projections-through.html
We cannot run $trillion deficits every year forever. It just won’t work. And as soon as the Fed steps off the gas and/or Congress steps off the stimulus we will see this recovery for the hot air it really is.
Yet, in spite of all those generous assumptions, no double dip recession, no second recession, high rates of job growth and falling participation rates all the way through 2020, and unemployment peaking at 11.6% not 13%, the best I can do is suggest the unemployment rate will be over 10% all the way through 2015 and never dip below 8% all the way out through the end of 2020.
“On average, the economists don’t expect unemployment to fall below 6% until 2013.”
It could take until 2014-15 before we see a 5% handle on unemployment again,” said Diane Swonk at Mesirow Financial.”
Yeah Right.
Happy Job Hunting
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
7:41 am
TW
LMAO!!!
Normal
Don’t let the doc hit you with an unsportsmanlike conduct. lol!!
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
7:42 am
truth hurts
The reason why people are unemployed is because they’re looking in the wrong areas. Border Patrol had to lower their standards to hire officers.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
7:42 am
First year budget expenditures…
Clinton 1.6 trillion
Bush (W) 1.8 trillion
Obobo 2.8 trillion
Thanks kenyan
PS…last evenings hairstyle worn by “The First Lantern-Jaw” was awful.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
7:43 am
ABM, It would be interesting to see how history would have changed had they succeeded.
I read a book once about what would have happened if the South had won. Two things were interesting. One, slavery would have ended by itself as technology improved enough to make it unprofitable, and two, the most surprising, North America would have been fierce enemies with England for helping the South win. They would have gone to war against England in both World Wars, if they had happened. It was a strange read.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
7:44 am
Happy Turkey Day Eve all.
Normal, thank you for your consistent demands for George W. Bush II to do the right thing.
In my estimation, you are a good man and a good American!
And in that spirit I will always stand beside you when I say:
STOP THE WAR. NOW.
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
7:53 am
That does sound interesting Normal. The world would indeed be different had we gone against England in WWI & II. I’ll have to look for some reading material on that. I’ve read about the ending of slavery, but haven’t read on any opinions of the more modern events.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
7:53 am
AmVet, send the White House and the Democratic Party a love note every day. Tell them how you feel. We have to all work to stop the madness and bring them home.
I’m taking the time this Thanksgiving to talk to my Grandkids about war and what’s going on in the world. Some of them are of Military age and I want to dispel any delusion they might have about the “glory” of war.
I have already threatened a nephew with a broken limb if he tried to join up without talking to me first. I’d go with him and keep him from becoming cannon fodder.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
8:00 am
It is amusing to see mainstream media sources such as the New York Times, which thinks nothing of publishing purloined government documents that will endanger the lives of U.S. soldiers in the field, and compromise vital intelligence operations, suddenly become all jowly and uptight about publishing the e-mails in question because they were “illegally obtained.”-David Warren
In the face of such overwhelming evidence, the liberals continue to lie.
Does that surprise anyone?
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
8:05 am
Normal, good on you!
Young people need good information to make good choices.
When my son approached me two and a half years ago and said he wanted to enlist, I was pretty shocked and had very mixed feelings. And I flashed back to the day he was born and wondered if and when I might have this conversation with him.
He told me his plan – to become a language expert/translator – and I asked him if this was HIS idea. (I was slightly concerned that his mother and her ex-Army officer hubby had “suggested” this path.)
He told me no, that he alone had made this decision, and I told him I’d support him 100%.
We shared my experiences and I gave him a hug and a kiss and sent him on his way…
TnGelding
November 25th, 2009
8:06 am
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
7:42 am
You’d better check those figures. That 1.6 was the start of Clnton’s second term. It ws 1.409187 for the first term.
Rounding off, Bush would have been 1.7 in 2001, instead of 1.6. More importantly, what was their last full year expenditures?
Clinton: 1.789067 in Y2K.
Bush: 2.757831 in 2008 (est).
Also worth noting:
Revenue was over $2 trillion in Y2K and didn’t return to that lofty figure until 2005.
Scooter
November 25th, 2009
8:06 am
Dang Normal, I’m sorry we missed that one too! Send me to hell or NYC, it would be about the same to me.
TnGelding
November 25th, 2009
8:08 am
Normal
November 25th, 2009
7:21 am
Go to rethinkafghanistan.com and sign the petition!
Jackie
November 25th, 2009
8:12 am
Enter your comments here
s
November 25th, 2009
8:12 am
I agree that they should shrink but lets extend that idea – SHRINK THE BLOODY GOVERNMENT!
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
8:12 am
Happy Anniversary to Charles Darwin’s “On The Origin of Species”!
What’s the difference between “On the Origin of Species” and Anthropomorphic Global Warming?
One is based on science and one is based on lies.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:13 am
One other thing I’m doing this Thanksgiving which has become a tradition in the Normal household. I started doing it when my kids were alot younger and then the older grandkids got into it and now it’s time to indoctrinate the younger ones. We all go into my den and I put in the cassete, and we sing along with Arlo Guthrie’s “Alice’s Resturant”. All 18+ minutes. Then we go and eat. Family bonding. In a weird way sure, but it’s still family bonding.
TnGelding
November 25th, 2009
8:14 am
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
7:42 am
Correction: Rounding off, Bush would have been 1.9 instead of 1.8 in 2001.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:15 am
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
8:05 am
I’ll think about you and your son tomorrow. Salute to the both of you.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:16 am
Tn, Thanks to you too and I will
Jackie
November 25th, 2009
8:16 am
A simple idea that helps in our current situation relative to Afghanistan would be start the draft or raise taxes on the wealthiest to pay for the war.
It appears those who opposes health care reform base their opposition on perceived costs. The question now is, should we pay the cost in treasure and lives to prop up a known corrupt government, or should we pay our treasure on upgrading our health care system?
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
8:16 am
Normal
Tradition is tradition no matter how weird it seems.
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
8:21 am
Jackie, a simpler idea regarding Afghanistan would be to just get out.
A simpler idea on getting health care costs down would be to actually attack the problems in our health care system, not pass a bill that 38% of the people don’t want. Most of us want health care reform, but only the die-hard liberals want this useless monstrosity.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:23 am
Tn, done and done…friends too.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
8:26 am
No one says it better than Irving Berlin (unless it’s Bing singing Irving Berlin):
I’ve got plenty to be thankful for
I haven’t got a great big yacht
To sail from shore to shore
Still I’ve got plenty to be thankful for
I’ve got plenty to be thankful for
No private car, no caviar
No carpet on my floor
Still I’ve got plenty to be thankful for
I’ve got eyes to see with
Ears to hear with
Arms to hug with
Lips to kiss with
Someone to adore
How could anybody ask for more?
My needs are small, I buy them all
At the five and ten cent store
Oh, I’ve got plenty to be thankful for
Happy (early) Thanksgiving, fellow Bookmaniacs!!
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
8:27 am
Normal –
“all go into my den and I put in the cassete, and we sing along with Arlo Guthrie’s “Alice’s Resturant”. All 18+ minutes.”
if you lived in DC, you wouldn’t have to pop in a cassette, one of the local stations plays it every year at 3 …
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:28 am
USinUK, And a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours! Are you doing traditional?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:29 am
UsinUK your 8:27…That is really cool. Maybe I could get a station here to do that.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 25th, 2009
8:30 am
Well, good morning everybody. I’m awful sorry things got so nasty to mike yesterday but I didn’t have nothing to do with it. Like I told him last night.
Anyhow, we’re all set for the big feast tomorrow at the trailer. Thinking about it got me to thinking about the first one me and the missus had. She didn’t know they took the gizzard and liver and all that stuff and put it in a plastic bag they put in the inside of the turkey. Anyhow, when the turkey was about half cooked all this smoke from the plastic started coming from the oven.
I plan on being nice to everybody today and I expect the same from everybody on this blog. So even if mike gets on here and calls me a bigot again today I don’t want nobody to respond. I figure he’s a smart man, just dumb at times. We all got our cross to bear. We can’t be Norman Einstein all the time.
Have a good day everybody.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
8:33 am
Normal –
“USinUK, And a Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours! Are you doing traditional?”
I tried it one year … but, Thanksgiving isn’t the same when you are with people who don’t have it as a tradition (not to mention, there are no parades on the teevee, much less football games) …
so, tomorrow will be anudder day in the office … where I am thankful to be employed and working with great colleagues …
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
8:33 am
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
8:00 am
Seems thats what they are best at…lying.
TnGelding
November 25th, 2009
8:37 am
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
8:33 am
…and correcting inaccuracies.
Gale
November 25th, 2009
8:38 am
Angry Black Man, You got me thinking about the fall of the Confederacy. It was the battles in late fall and early winter on your history day. I suspect the milder weather in the South was a factor. Instead of staying home to heal during severe weather, the North was able to push into the South. The South was put into a more defensive position. I don’t know if that idea has any merit since I am not well versed in war or that war in particular. But you made me think.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:41 am
USinUK, tomorrow will be anudder day in the office … where I am thankful to be employed and working with great colleagues …
Tomorrow I’ll lift a turkey leg in your honor…
Gale
November 25th, 2009
8:45 am
:Sigh: There are no legs on the turkey I have; a mere breast of turkey. My partner doesn’t like a lot of left-over turkey. I think it comes from being an Army brat and growing up in Thailand, Italy and Germany.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
8:46 am
Normal –
“Tomorrow I’ll lift a turkey leg in your honor”
nah – just eat an extra helping of cornbread dressing for me … yummmm
Dave –
“not pass a bill that 38% of the people don’t want. Most of us want health care reform, but only the die-hard liberals want this useless monstrosity”
so, according to your post 62% of Americans are now “die-hard liberals”??? exmellent!!!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:46 am
Gale,
By those dates the war was nearly over. Lee surrendered in April of 1865. Atlanta had all ready been burned and Sherman was completing his march to the sea.
GI
November 25th, 2009
8:48 am
It’s no wonder so much fraud is taking place when neither the Small Business Administration nor the Department of Veterans Affairs maintains lists of individuals who are valid service-disabled veterans to check against before awarding contracts.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:48 am
USinUK, got got it…with pleasure!
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
8:50 am
USinUK, after this BushCo induced recession, and their ardent attempts at implementing a second Great Depression, I’ve been thinking of this song recently!
(Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong – I’ve Got Plenty of Nothing from 1957)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umJujS_zDcA
Jackie and Normal, I for one, am curious as to how these chickenhawks and neo-cons of the War First, War Last, War Always Party – who didn’t make the FIRST peep at all for six plus years – are ONLY NOW becoming cutters and runners!
A shocking inexplicable development I tell you!
But having watched them closely for years, many of us know the real reason. And it isn’t war fatigue. It isn’t a new found rational approach to the geopolitical realities. And it certainly doesn’t have anything to do with a new found spine.
ONLY when there is a CiC with an R after his name do the heroic conned pound their chests and scream their vicarious bloodlust. (Remember Kosovo?)
ONLY when they get absolutely destroyed at the polls in back to back elections do the 101st Chairborne finally realize the consequences of electing their craven frauds as “leaders”.
Otherwise, their true disgusting colors always come to the surface…
Jackie
November 25th, 2009
8:50 am
@Dave R.
I agree with you about removing our troops from Afghanistan. The war there is senseless.
Health care reform is needed because we can not afford to continue with our current system.
If we do nothing, within a decade the estimates are health care will consume more than 50% of our economy. Today, it is roughly 15%.
Ask yourself the question, what does the health insurance companies bring to the equation in providing health care?
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
8:51 am
Sorry USinUK, got my numbers mixed up. That would be only 38% WANT.
And of course, that would include you. Because government is God for you libs, right?
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
8:51 am
AmVet – Ella and Louis??? darlin’, you’re a man after my own heart!!!
Gale
November 25th, 2009
8:52 am
Thanks Normal. I should take a lesson from my father and study up on the War of Northern Agression (aka Civil War). It was a very interesting period There was so much going on in the world. It was about so much more than slavery.
Scooter
November 25th, 2009
8:53 am
Normal, Lee did’nt surrender! He thought Grant was a blacksmith and handed his sword to him to be sharpened.That’s my story and I am sticking to it.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
8:57 am
USinUK, I knew you’d like it!
Here’s a great, great anti-war song. She won’t give it up unless he won’t go to war no more.
Now that is power!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNs2uoFT_u4
Jackie
November 25th, 2009
8:58 am
@AmVet
You are now witnessing a true dose of reality on the part of the keyboard warriors.
They talk about what they would do and how they would do it, without giving consideration as to how enormous and dangerous the problem they face.
Those that always claim what they would do in a war because of the training our troops receive, don’t have a clue. I ask them, what one do when the target you have selected starts to shoot back? You aim is not as good as it once was while bullets, shrapnel, explosions and human misery surround you. Different mindset.
Jackie
November 25th, 2009
9:01 am
@GI
Simple! No bid contracts awarded to those well-connected companies and individuals.
david wayne osedach
November 25th, 2009
9:02 am
We poured more than $50 billion into GM and they are not paying back a cent. Are they too big to fail?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:03 am
Scooter, I thought Lee gave Grant his sword and said, “No, you carve the roast”
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
9:03 am
Jackie, if you read my post (and stopped believing the lamestream media), you’d know that I (and most people) are not in favor of doing nothing regarding health care reform.
The difference is in the approach. To answer your question above, what health care companies bring to the equation is a system that over 80% of Americans are happy with. So why blow that system up?
Fix the PROBLEMS, Jackie.
I’ve said this all along. Even Mrs. G. at one point supported this plan.
1. Enact tort reform to lower malpractice insurance costs and end excessive and needless defensive testing for simple issues.
2. Allow insurance companies to offer their products across state lines.
3. Encourage insurance companies to offer group policies towards job classifications such as real estate agents or auto workers, rather than by employer.
4. Expand Medicare coverage for ONLY those people with existing pre-conditions that private companies won’t take and for those below the poverty level that cannot buy insurance, but require that a 3/4 majority be put in place to keep Congress from expanding that pool when it suits their re-election fancies. That would be the extent of a government option.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:04 am
Dave –
“And of course, that would include you. Because government is God for you libs, right?”
nah … Stevie Ray Vaughn is (was) …
as for me, I’m for the single-payer system … always have been, always will be …
Gale
November 25th, 2009
9:05 am
Why do you think Americans really go to war? Self defence? Spreading our culture? For many years, war was for the purpose of gaining territory and resources. Some countries still wage war for territory and resource. Is it our reason for waging war that has us persistenting ly failing? Is the truth that we do not have a firm idea of what we are fighting for?
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:06 am
AmVet –
“She won’t give it up unless he won’t go to war no more.”
Lysistrata … Greek wimmen-folk put that plan into action hundreds of years ago …
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
9:06 am
Jackie, I saw a post here recently along the lines of “a terrorist should never leave the battlefield alive”.
And I understand the sentiment.
BUT, what the never-served, never-will faketriots cannot seem to fathom is that this is not WWII or even Korea.
The enemy doesn’t wear nice easily identifiable uniforms with Terrorist emblazoned all over them.
They are mixed in with and hidden amongst the general populace and the innocents.
There is no classic battlefield, it is everywhere and anywhere.
And so the dangers and possibility of death are almost non-stop.
And this romanticized, outdated notion is one of the MANY reasons these keyboard kommandos are as you rightfully note, freaking clueless…
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:06 am
Jackie, AmVet. If you could just take a keyboard warrior out to a real night time firefight. They would never play again.
Gale
November 25th, 2009
9:07 am
Here, here! on Stevie Ray Vaughn, there are none to replace him.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:12 am
Gale –
when I get to the Pearly Gates, I just have one question:
why-oh-why did he take SRV and leave us David Lee Roth??? whyyyyyyy???!!!
Scooter
November 25th, 2009
9:15 am
Normal, I guess we are both right. You have to sharpen the sword before you can carve the roast!
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:17 am
AmVet –
your 9:06
forget the polite golf clap … you get raucous applause for that …
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
9:18 am
Speaking of freaking clueless, AmVet, how are you doing today now that your precious Anthropomorphic Climate Change “theory” has been fully discredited?
Gotta love those libs who fake data while keeping their government contracts in place to pay them for doing work they couldn’t get paid to do in the private sector.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:24 am
Holiday greetings to all. Special shouts out to ABM, Normal, AmVet, TnGelding, Gale and USinUK.
No publication yet on my Jerry tat, USinUK:
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=52964950&albumId=2421163
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:25 am
Scooter, you are absolutely right sir!
Have a big day planned tomorrow?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:26 am
Howdy, Bruno! Happy Thanksgiving day Eve.
Scooter
November 25th, 2009
9:27 am
Hey Vets, I spent my time during Nam on the flightline(71 & 72)where it was nice and safe. And,like Normal, I still say
MR.PRESIDENT,BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!!!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:28 am
Wow Bruno, I like the sailing ship!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:31 am
“And this romanticized, outdated notion is one of the MANY reasons these keyboard kommandos are as you rightfully note, freaking clueless…”
USinUK–A few weeks ago, we debated whose “fringe” element was crazier, the left or the right. After going a few rounds with Team Jesus the other night, I’m ready to concede defeat.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
9:32 am
“as for me, I’m for the single-payer system … always have been, always will be …”
Right on, girlfriend.
Happy Turkey Day Eve Bruno!
I found some fantastic musical stuff and associated stories to share with you when the proper “special” time is here!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:33 am
“Wow Bruno, I like the sailing ship!”
Any opinion about the Jerry? I had the hair filled in a little more since that pic, looks even better now. The artist, Cap Szumski, is supposed to be profiled in Skin and Ink magazine one of these days when they get around to publishing it.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:33 am
Scooter, Welcome home. I had a high school friend who served with the Air Force at Cam Rahn Bay ‘68-’70. He was flight line too. He said he was always dealing with mortars and snipers. Life couldn’t have been that much better in ‘71.
Esquire09
November 25th, 2009
9:34 am
Facts in evidence here. Some people have a life outside this blog. Others don’t
and the sh!!te goes on.
Rightwing Troll
November 25th, 2009
9:35 am
Yep, the 101st Chairborne, the GOP, Republicans, “conservatives”, local nut sacks…
They all live in a world of supposition, “this” will happen when Obozo does that, “this” will happen if obozo doesn’t do that…
Not a single solitary example will materialize on how Obozo’s actions or policies adversely affect any one of their lives. Some of the local nut sacks literally never see the light of day, so it’s hard to imagine how they manage to get a true picture of local, national, or world events, yet they postulate here all day long about the world as they see it, or rather as it’s described to them by their masters.
The problem with their clairvoyance is that it didn’t seem to work at all from the years 2000 to 2008, worked for 6 years before that, and it’s worked ever since Jan 20, but there’s a large gap there in between those periods of (in)accurate predictions made…
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:35 am
“I found some fantastic musical stuff and associated stories to share with you when the proper “special” time is here!”
Looking forward to it, Bud. I’ll check in on Friday nights, but may be a little scarce the rest of the time. Arguing about politics isn’t really my bag. My interests tend more toward the eternal.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:36 am
Hey B-dog!! and a VERY happy turkey-day to you, my friend!! I’ll have to look up the pic when I get home (curse you, firewall!!!)
“After going a few rounds with Team Jesus the other night, I’m ready to concede defeat”
hahaha … yep, both sides definitely have our nutty-nut-nuts … oy! but, we should give thanks for them, too … without the fringey elements, how else could we define the middle??!!
Scooter
November 25th, 2009
9:37 am
Nothing special for Thanksgiving Normal.I have invites from several friends to eat with thier families but opted to go to the woods and spend some time with Mother Nature. I wish a HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you and your’s and everyone else here also!!!!!!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:37 am
Bruno, Garcia? Yeah that one’s good too. Is it yours? I like the nautical stuff and would get one now if I wasn’t so old ad wrinklely.
The only tat I have is my unit symbol, but it was half destroyed by a bullet.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:39 am
Scooter, you can do the woods Friday or Saturday, but be with friends tomorrow. That’s what the day is about. You deserve it!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:39 am
“The only tat I have is my unit symbol, but it was half destroyed by a bullet.”
Now that’s a tattoo that tells a story!!
One of these days, USinUK will reveal what the subject of her tats are.
How about you, Am, got any cool ones? Anyone else?
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:42 am
“hahaha … yep, both sides definitely have our nutty-nut-nuts … oy! but, we should give thanks for them, too … without the fringey elements, how else could we define the middle??!!”
Good point. I’m always fascinated by the fact that the most judgmental, unfriendly people almost always turn out to be self-proclaimed Christians.
Bosch
November 25th, 2009
9:43 am
“I’m always fascinated by the fact that the most judgmental, unfriendly people almost always turn out to be self-proclaimed Christians.”
I’m
really I am.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:43 am
As for me, I’m very judgmental as well, but it’s simply because I’m a pompous ass. No religious excuses needed!
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:44 am
Bman …
“One of these days, USinUK will reveal what the subject of her tats are”
I thought I already did! In honor of my mom, I have a phoenix that is mostly celtic knots (she taught me that it is always possible to rise from the things that would destroy you), and on my ankle, I have a way-cool sun design that I really liked …
Bosch
November 25th, 2009
9:44 am
Bruno,
Me, well, I’m horribly prejudiced against dumb asses.
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
9:45 am
Yeah, Troll, we think it is so much better to simply ignore the future consequences of Hope & Change’s actions and live for today – like, you, for instance.
Why don’t you man it up and answer this question, Troll:
How are you going to pay off the $13 TRILLION debt he keeps adding to?
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:45 am
Bruno –
I don’t like to think of myself as judgemental … just an elitist
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:46 am
Bosch, Bruno…I don’t suffer BS gladly either…
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:48 am
dang … would someone give Dave a piece of pie, already … the boy seems to be itching for a fight …
Dave … have a slice of pumpkin or apple and calm the eff down … it’s Thanksgiving, fercryingoutloud …
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:48 am
“I have a phoenix that is mostly celtic knots (she taught me that it is always possible to rise from the things that would destroy you), and on my ankle, I have a way-cool sun design that I really liked …”
Oops, had forgotten. A beautiful tribute to your mom. Like my mom, she sounds like a great lady. Hopefully you had a better dad than I did.
“I don’t like to think of myself as judgemental … just an elitist ”
No prob–You’ve got the creds to back it up.
Bosch
November 25th, 2009
9:49 am
USinUK,
And I even left the door open for him to say, “Well, Bosch, I guess you are prejudiced against yourself” and everything!
Rightwing Troll
November 25th, 2009
9:50 am
Forgive me, I’m not too good at this, but:
WASHINGTON — In a hopeful sign, the number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits fell more than expected last week, dropping below 500,000 for the first time since January.
Whiter Teeth Today!
Enlarge photo
FILE – In this Oct. 27, 2009 photo, job seekers line up in front of a Dollar General booth at a Little Rock, Ark., job fair. The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits fell more than expected last week to the lowest level in over a year. (AP Photo/DannyJohnston, file)
FILE – In this Oct. 27, 2009 photo, job seekers line up in front of a Dollar General booth at a Little Rock, Ark., job fair. The number of newly laid-off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits fell more than expected last week to the lowest level in over a year. (AP Photo/DannyJohnston, file)
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And consumers started spending again in October as their incomes grew modestly — another encouraging signal for the budding economic recovery.
The number of people filing first-time claims for jobless benefits fell by 35,000 to 466,000, the Labor Department said Wednesday. That was the fewest since the week of Sept. 13, 2008. And it was far better than the 500,000 economists had expected.
Ha! In your face nut bags! Obama’s recovery in your face!
I rule thee you flat earth nut sacks! HA!!!!
That wasn’t too hard, I’ll await a grade for my effort from the local cut-n-paste, snapshot-of-a-news-article-prove-my-entire-point-crowd.
Thank you.
PS: Oh feel free to make fun of a job I had 10 years ago, I find that amusing…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
9:50 am
Hey, y’all and a happy turkey day to one and all on both sides of the pond, and, well, I guess in the spirit of the season, even those of y’all from north of the Mason-Dixon-Ohio River-36 30! Be forewarned, just got back from the medico with a sterling report and I’ve got five days off; so bring it on!
ABM
Today in history– Prague massacre–that was a particularly vicious one…
“So, just exactly what is a Jewish holiday?”
“They tried to kill us all. We survived. Let’s eat!”
If…of course an independent South would have freed the slaves…it was after all very much a country in the mainstream of Western Civilization. My school kids just finished their own research into when slavery was abolished in the New World–Cuba, Puerto Rico and Brazil were the last, Brazil in the 1880s. It was a planned and gradualist process there, with age limitations in order to prevent the slave owners from not taking the responsibility for providing for the aged. There were also compensation provisions for the owners and provisions of land for the emancipated. The South would have been in this line of thought. The “sticking point” on abolition for the slave owners had always been the dollar value involved, the pocketbook, as always, trumping morality,
Funny thing about the plot to burn NYC being on this date in history–meanwhile Sherman was marching through Georgia and which town did he burn on this date?
Scooter
November 25th, 2009
9:52 am
Thanks Normal,I do have an invite from a friend that lives only 27 miles from where I plan to camp and will probably go there to visit during the day. Life is good!
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
9:52 am
Bruno –
“Hopefully you had a better dad than I did.”
I’m blessed to still have him – and he ROCKS!!! (he’s the reason I love Irving Berlin, in fact) … sorry to hear yours was less than stellar …
Bosch –
dangitall … where did you put your screen cleaner???
Rightwing Troll
November 25th, 2009
9:53 am
I guess the same way we’re going to pay the 10 trillion debt he was handed.
Got anything harder than that?
Now, how about an example of how anything he’s done has adversely affected your day to day life?
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
9:53 am
why-oh-why did he take SRV and leave us David Lee Roth??? whyyyyyyy???!!!
Because he can–and then there’s the whole thirty years of trickle-down thing…
Bosch
November 25th, 2009
9:54 am
USinUK,
It’s on the second shelf in the closet, behind the air pump.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:54 am
Morning, josef, and a Happy Happy to you.
“Nothing special for Thanksgiving Normal.I have invites from several friends to eat with thier families but opted to go to the woods and spend some time with Mother Nature.”
For the past 15 or so years, I have spent most Thanksgivings and most Christmases with my best friend and his mom. Last year she passed away a few days after New Years Day. He’s going to put one more holiday celebration on in her memory.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
9:57 am
Bosch–Did you ever get your house put back together? Last I heard, your roof was leaking.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:58 am
USinUK @ 9:48
You have to admire their passion. Whiner, @@, Dave, all seem genuine
in what they say. I wish that they could call a truce and join us “Libs” on events like this and join in more on Friday music day. We will never learn to get along, if we don’t try. I will never change their beliefs and they will never change mine, but the exchange of beliefs makes this blog fun, most of the time. But every once in a while we just need to have a “get together” and have a little fun.
Maybe the “Cons” and “Libs” could join forces and pick on the “Greens”
that’d be fun.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:01 am
Kam-a-lama!! good to see you and happy thanksgiving!!
meanwhile …
“Ha! In your face nut bags! Obama’s recovery in your face!”
am I the only one who would LOVE to hear Ben Bernanke say that during his regular Senate testimony???
Bosch
November 25th, 2009
10:01 am
Bruno,
It’s mostly fixed. The roofers are here right now banging away. We had to go a round with the insurance company after they claimed everything was fixed, and we were like “Oh, no it’s not.” We have a weird roof, so one round with the insurance company — I consider a victory.
TnGelding
November 25th, 2009
10:02 am
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
8:33 am
I see now you were just passing on some Fox propaganda and the numbers were adjusted for some type of inflation. But you know that the first year budget is actually the last year of the previous president with some minor (or in Obama’s case necessary major) adjustments.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:02 am
Normal –
“You have to admire their passion”
passion, I admire … the inability to just have a conversation without trying to pick a fight, I do not.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
10:02 am
Yes, it is good to laugh at yourself!
It makes those laughing at you either wonder WTF? Or make them feel better they have some company!
Pompous a$$es and elitists, huh?
According to some of the Old Faithfuls here, I’m more of a sanctimonious blowhard!
But as Ace Ventura noted, “Man, am I tired of always being right!”
No Bruno, no tats. And likely never will. I’m checking out the same way I checked it – perfect!
(Which remands me of a great bumper sticker for our Team Jesus friends I saw recently – Born OK the first time.)
http://www.stampandshout.com/shop/bumper-stickers/born-ok-first-time.php
You’ve disproved my stereotype, friend. That tats are for gentiles…
Normal
November 25th, 2009
10:03 am
Josef, So, just exactly what is a Jewish holiday?”
“They tried to kill us all. We survived. Let’s eat!”
Ah, sweet simplicity!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
10:04 am
USinUK, passion, I admire … the inability to just have a conversation without trying to pick a fight, I do not.
Duly noted…
Normal
November 25th, 2009
10:06 am
AmVet: My Granny used to tell me (honest
) to keep smiling…it makes people wonder what you are up to… 
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:06 am
I’ll gladly get along with any lib who will stop trying to take what I have through the force of government and give it to someone else.
The problem is, there aren’t any lbs out there who will let me live my life the way I want to live it.
And you gotta love Troll’s “stick-your-head-in-the-sand” approach to life. With Troll’s “logic”, as long as the upcoming tax increases aren’t here yet to pay down our $13 trillion debt, we don’t need to worry. It hasn’t affected us today.
Stupid is as stupid does.
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
10:07 am
USinUK
Best wishes to you also on the eve of this U.S. holiday. I would be thankful for a win at the Estadio do Dragao today.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:08 am
Bruno–
The eternal, eh? And what is your perspective?
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
10:11 am
Welcome back, josef!
And congrats on the clean bill of health you old reprobate!
Normal! You damn Green basher! (DO NOT get me started on my overplayed(?) duopoly diatribe!)
Yeah, like some giant dysfunctional family, we bicker and fight like hell, but nobody can convince me we’re not all on the same side – America’s.
Nor will anybody ever convince me that we don’t have the greatest, grooviest and most wonderful system ever created in the history of mankind.
Sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing…
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
10:13 am
Lettuce all hope for change this Thanksgiving…that being Obobo chokes on a Turkey Neck.
Common Sense
November 25th, 2009
10:14 am
I couldn’t care less about PETA wanting to discard “UGA the Bulldog” mascot. I’m more concerned that “UGA” isn’t black, female, gay or Muslim. What happened to diversity?
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:14 am
“You’ve disproved my stereotype, friend. That tats are for gentiles…”
I’m a gent, Am, though have done enough Bible research to recognize that the Sabbath has always been on the seventh day, which is Saturday.
For some reason, however, many of my best friends through the years have been Jewish. I count you and josef among my best blog “friends”.
“According to some of the Old Faithfuls here, I’m more of a sanctimonious blowhard!”
But your message is one we need to hear, Am.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:14 am
“I’ll gladly get along with any lib who will stop trying to take what I have through the force of government and give it to someone else. The problem is, there aren’t any lbs out there who will let me live my life the way I want to live it.”
oh, blah-blah-frikkin-blah …
first of all, you act like the GOP never tells people how to live (I know quite a few gay friends who would disagree with that, not to mention quite a few wimmen who like access to birth control and, if needed, abortion) …
secondly, you seem to think that the GOP never reapportions money … dude, if I may … I suggest you look at who benefitted most from the last administration (here’s a hint: it wasn’t the middle class and it sure as hell wasn’t the poor) …
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:15 am
Kam –
“I would be thankful for a win at the Estadio do Dragao today”
I’ll do what I can to help (since I’m closer)
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:18 am
After going a few rounds with Team Jesus the other night
Another day, another bald faced lie from bruno….oh, and I thought arguing politics WAS eternal. It sure seems it.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:19 am
Hey back at ‘cha AmVet–doc had a new nurse. She’s reading over my chart and being ever so kind and gentle…busted out laughing, “not to worry, Sweetheart, I know from the looks of it I’m supposed to be dead, but keep reading…still quite alive and mean as h*ll…attitude is everything!” We’re having a corporate excutive for dinner!
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:20 am
blah, blah, blah, back at ya, USinUK.
The GOP is bad enough, but the libs who want to change “the greatest, grooviest and most wonderful system ever created in the history of mankind” are the ones who need to be stopped in their tracks.
This country is full of fiscal conservatives and social liberals, and the party that embraces them will be the one that gets my vote. The GOP and the Dems do not get my vote.
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 25th, 2009
10:20 am
Im hoping that Mr Finnius will be driving his 1978 Ford Econoline Van down to Woodruff park and shuttling the bums to and from the “Hosea Feed The Lazy” boondoggle.
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
10:23 am
Common Sense
PETA may be on to a good idea. Let UGA develop a robotic dog powered by a nuclear reactor. UGA would be the first to have a true “atomic dog”.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:23 am
Dave –
“the libs who want to change “the greatest, grooviest and most wonderful system ever created in the history of mankind” are the ones who need to be stopped in their tracks”
criminey. drama queen much??
GET THIS BOY SOME PIE … STAT!!!
“The GOP and the Dems do not get my vote.”
good luck with that …
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:24 am
Hey RW–see you got top billing last p.m.!
Bruno–would have sworn you were MOT! Well, as we say, you’ve got a Jewish soul. A reporter asked out rabbi when I was a kid how many Jews there were in our town (there were about 1500 enrolled tribals) and he said, “well, there may be 4000 Jewish ’souls’ in…”
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:26 am
Dave R
“This country is full of fiscal conservatives and social liberals, and the party that embraces them will be the one that gets my vote. The GOP and the Dems do not get my vote.”
Pretty much my point of view, too…
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:27 am
“The eternal, eh? And what is your perspective?”
It’s obvious to me that the corporal body goes to sheol, the grave, as the Bible instructs, josef. And what about the “spirit”? If we speak of “eternal life”, it can only be in the spiritual sense, of course, which is what most “mainstream” Christians believe.
Where I part company with the the mainstream is in the understanding of the word “spirit”. By definition, a spirit, like God, is non-corporal. As such, any “personification” of said spirits is inaccurate, and silly. I think the Jews have the right idea by forbidding the attachment of ANY human word to God.
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:28 am
Good luck with what, USinUK? Do you think that anyone with a firm set of principles would vote for anyone without those same principles?
Maybe in your world, but not mine. Politicians have to earn my vote, not a party. Those that do, get a vote. Those that don’t get “None of the above” written in. Been doing it that way for about 30 years.
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:28 am
josef,
You sent me on a mission to claim the spot but I didn’t know you were going to leave me hanging up there.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:32 am
“Another day, another bald faced lie from bruno”
Just wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine the other night, RW.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
10:32 am
josef, guys like us are very young at heart. (Or as my older brother asserts, just immature!)
But I know guys considerably younger than me, who are already old. They think old, they act old and they talk old.
While preparing to scale Mt. Ranier, I met Jim Whittaker, who was on that first American team to summit Chomolungma – Goddess Mother of the World. Aka Mt. Everest.
He was probably 70 years old at the time and was still a strapping specimen of a man! He encouraged me greatly and will forever remain one of my most admired heroes.
Oops, color me mortified, B.
I misread your Saturday as the Sabbath comment as being an MOT.
Good! Now my stereotype remains intact!
Yep, to Joe Biden a line from my friend Keith B from Memphis used to joke about his wife – a couple of the guys here (and everyone knows who they are!) are the most even tempered people I know.
They’re always p!ssed off!
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:33 am
Mornin’ to ya, josef! Glad to hear about the clean bill of health.
If everyone voted principle instead of party (and if politicians did, too), this country would look very different than it does today.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:33 am
Dave –
“Politicians have to earn my vote, not a party. Those that do, get a vote.”
and if that works for you and makes you happy, that’s great and more power to you.
however, since that’s not how Congress works, I say good luck with that.
we don’t have 435 “individuals” in the house + 100 “individuals” in the senate – they are organized by a party … the party with the most people in it head up the committees and decide what bills will/won’t make it to the floor.
you may not vote by party, but the hill operates by it.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:35 am
““Another day, another bald faced lie from bruno”
“Just wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine the other night, RW.”
c’mon, people … have some pie and everyone try to focus on the things we are most thankful for rather than the things that divide us …
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:37 am
Bruno–
As for the eternal, I am kinda drawn to the traditional Choctaw belief…we have two souls, the “shilup” and the “shilombish.” The shilup is that part of you that goes on forever, released from the body and earthly concerns. The shilombish is that part of you that hangs around to take care of unfinished business.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
10:37 am
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:27 am
Bruno, I don’t know nuttin’ about “Spirit” but, If there IS a G-d in Heaven, We all come back as cats to a good home…
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:38 am
Just wanted to give you a taste of your own medicine the other night, RW.
Care to explain what that even means, Bruno? You started telling the blog my supposed positions before I ever even posted the other night.
You can’t scroll either direction and find anything that backs your claim, but just keep on lying. It’s who you are.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
10:40 am
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
10:23 am
ABM, but Georgia Tech would have to design it…
@@
November 25th, 2009
10:40 am
Awwhhhh, Bruno…no shout out for little ol’ me? I’m hurt, “rally” I YAM, tater. You guys are always into revisiting the past. This is probably one you’d like to ignore:
By @@
December 6, 2006 05:03 PM
Huge a/k/a AmVet:
I post one comment, an occasional two at Wooten’s daily. Ain’t hangin’ around there either. Sorry to disappoint you once again.
Here’s one for somebody, but I don’t know who. When the name game was played, I wasn’t shocked by how quickly some liberal went looking for an address. Came back and reported the vicinity.
Had I witnessed that type of mistake made by a liberal, I would have simply let it go. I have no doubt that any conservative on this board would have.
But liberals? They are an obsessive bunch.
The address mentioned? Andy’s! Very much like Kamchak mentioning how I had inadvertently exposed critical data about myself online (not true, but it didn’t stop him from trying to capitalize on a lie). Then, of course, there was the individual who let her obsession overwhelm her when she decided to place a subscription I had at risk. Could have been very costly for me…not her…online defeat was her goal.
Oldies but goodies?
http://www.accessatlanta.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/07/06/company_secrets.htm
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/12/05/spotting_obama.html?cxntfid=blogs_mike_luckovich
Look for comments by Huge a/k/a AmVet. Do I think people can change? Sometimes….but only if they focus inward, not outward. He continues to do the latter. The former would require too much work on his part.
One more oldie but goodie to follow, then I’m out.
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:41 am
USinUK,
Make it rhubarb pie and you’ve got a deal.
/Actually you’ve got a deal anyway. I’ve got a forest to attend to. Later y’all
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:41 am
“criminey. drama queen much??”
“c’mon, people … have some pie and everyone try to focus on the things we are most thankful for rather than the things that divide us …”
Make up your mind, USinUK!!
@@
November 25th, 2009
10:41 am
Here ‘ya go.
http://origin.www.ajc.cimedia.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/entries/2006/12/04/making_a_list.htm
Making a list? You’ve got yours, Bruno…
I’ve got mine!
Happy Thanksgiving!
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:43 am
Actually, USinUK, they are organized by caucus, not party. Those who choose to caucus with a party can do so, as in Lieberman and Sanders. What we need are more independents and less people beholden to party affiliation.
Hope & Change just might be the catalyst to make that happen to where both major parties today become irrelevant in the future. In that, he will have least have done something right.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:43 am
RW –
rhubarb is soooo much better in a crumble! yummmmm …
B-dawg –
calling someone out for being a drama queen isn’t focusing on the things that divide us, it’s just a call to calmify the rhetoric
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
10:45 am
ABM,
Bow wow wow wow, yippee yo yippee yeah!
That song still rocks the hell outta me.
But I’m not sure the Young Republicans in Athens would approve!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5DrKBNS8so&feature=PlayList&p=D25E24E1897F25FF&index=0&playnext=1
Normal, that post about cats was perfect!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:45 am
“Awwhhhh, Bruno…no shout out for little ol’ me? I’m hurt, “rally” I YAM,”
I’m sorry, @@.
To make up for my rudeness, I’ve come up with a blog theme song for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlRXQEA0yj0
Just funnin’ with you
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:46 am
NORMAL–
Cats…Steinbeck said that the cats once ruled the world and it got into such a bad shape that they made a deal with the humans. They’d turn it over to them with the condition that the cats would have a place to stay and food to eat. He said that was why cats have such an arrogant attitude toward us, they got the best end of the deal! Mustafa the al-Qaada Terrorist Cat has hit the high road today trying to escape the infidel horde of tourists who have invaded his domaine!
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:47 am
Dave –
“What we need are more independents and less people beholden to party affiliation”
and I’ll I’m saying is that, in the all-too-brief 233 years that the country has been in existence, that situation has been an aberration, not the norm …
(and those caucuses are organized by … what??? what??? … that’s right … party, not “socially liberal philosophy in this corner … fiscally conservative in that corner”)
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:47 am
Normal, your 10:40 re: Georgia Tech? Priceless!
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
10:48 am
“calmify”.
A girl after my own heart.
I know I take great liberties with the English language, but at least I know when I’m making up words!
“Education’s purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one.” Malcolm S. Forbes
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:48 am
Somebody say pie? Make mine Granny’s coconut cream pie…if there IS pie in the sky, by and by, that’s mine…
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
10:49 am
“calling someone out for being a drama queen isn’t focusing on the things that divide us, it’s just a call to calmify the rhetoric”
Since your firewall won’t let you see @@’s new theme song, I’ll print some of the lyrics:
“And she got up, and she was a BIG woman. Her name was Bertha, Bertha Butt. She was one of the Butt sisters.”
Just doing what I can to keep things civil.
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
10:51 am
Normal/AmV
Maybe they could get George Clinton to come out for the welcoming ceremony. I heard UGA is a party school. Maybe that’s what the Young Republicans need, a little funk before breakfast.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:52 am
AmVet– the beauty of the Engrish language to me is that it welcomes taking liberties…had a linguistics professor who said that the English language was the most democratic thing homo sapiens had yet come up with (He was a Serb)
Rightwing Troll
November 25th, 2009
10:52 am
“Stupid is as stupid does.”
Yes, and ignoring one’s complicity in the problem, is pretty darned stupid.
Why worry about the inevitable? Taxes will rise, and not just because of what Obozo has done in the last 8 months.
Now, where’s that example I have asked for dozens of times here? Please somebody shut me up, give me an example that isn’t derived, and doesn’t come to you second hand, and is in the now….
Normal
November 25th, 2009
10:52 am
Josef, I have always wondered about cats. You never have seen a tabby cat drawing on a cave wall and yet, all of a sudden, they show up in Egypt and are revered as God’s and Goddess’s. I think they are the original “V’s”. From out there. Way out there
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
10:53 am
B-dawg – “Just doing what I can to keep things civil.” … (snort)
J-Nix – “Granny’s coconut cream pie” … now, that’s what I’m talking about! or good southern banamanama cream pie … (heavy, heavy sigh)
AmVet – “I know I take great liberties with the English language, but at least I know when I’m making up words!” sometimes, the conversation just calls for a good made-up word … I’m glad we’re both there to answer the call!!
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
10:54 am
josef, have you ever seen the “Hemingway cats” in Key West?
Very cool.
BTW, here’s yet another goofball but true tale of mine.
I’m down there for the first time and browsing one of the endless shops. You know the ones, replete with sexy postcards, etc.
Looking at all the bikini clad babes, I see these cards with all sorts of hunks in thongs, etc.
So I said to a friend, “Hey look they have postcards for girls too!”
He looked at me and said, “Those aren’t for the girls”.
!!!!!!!???????
Hey, I’m just a dumb hick from Kansas and freely admit it!
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:56 am
How do ya know my pie isn’t crumbly?
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A Census Bureau worker in Kentucky who was found dead in September with “FED” written on his chest killed himself and staged his death to look like a homicide, state and federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.
When do you suppose those of us that were accused of murdering this guy with our “hateful ideology” will get our apology from the calm and open minded neolib that indicted us?
Now I really must go……..
Rightwing Troll
November 25th, 2009
10:58 am
I apologize… I’m sorry.
Dave R.
November 25th, 2009
10:58 am
USinUK, as long as you and others keep willing to settle for something less than perfect, we get less than perfect.
Me? I never settle for less. Except less government.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
11:01 am
Key West Cats, sounds like a band name that does Jimmy Buffet.
Actually those six toed critters are some of the cutest cats I have ever seen.
AnVet, what if cats were really angels? Angels from where you would ask. G-d only knows, says I. I have one I am sure is an angel from Hades, but the others keep me guessing…
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:01 am
Back to church….
“As for the eternal, I am kinda drawn to the traditional Choctaw belief…we have two souls, the “shilup” and the “shilombish.” The shilup is that part of you that goes on forever, released from the body and earthly concerns. The shilombish is that part of you that hangs around to take care of unfinished business.”
Again, josef, my quandary from a “scientific” standpoint is that spirits are by definition, non-corporal. And since spirits contain no “matter”, it is impossible for us to even think about them. But that doesn’t mean they don’t exist, just that we have to be extremely cautious when we make the attempt to discuss them.
And how can we speak of something that technically speaking doesn’t “exist” in the normal sense, yet stay within acceptable scientific boundaries?? To that, I say, God is all around us. God is the “spirit” which organizes bosons and fermions into atomic particles, atomic particles into atoms, atoms into molecules, molecules into organic compounds, organic compounds into living cells, living cells into living tissues, living tissues into living organs, living organs into living creatures.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:01 am
AmVET…as we said in our youth, the Hemmingway cats are “a trip!” Key West…no place quite like it! How about the Key West chickens?
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:07 am
Bruno–
I was raised on the Maimonidean–the spiritual and the earthly are two different spheres–the former belonging to G-d and the theological, the latter belonging to man and the scientific…
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:07 am
Dave –
“Me? I never settle for less. Except less government.”
I’m happy to settle for less green bean casserole. eeeeyuk. (just keeping with the turkey-day theme, here)
but, seriously … as long as congresscritters are human beings, less-than-perfect is what we’ll get, regardless of my expectations (or yours)
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:12 am
USinUK–with all due respect, I must disagree with you, so I’ll have your share of the greenbean casserole. Yum…
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
11:13 am
Normal, my job sometimes requires me to go into client homes. I’ve had cats jump right in my lap and the owner look on disbelief and say’ “He/she never does that!”
They can tell.
A good friend of mine calls me Dr. Jewlittle!
josef, I’m did not know about the KW chickens. I just looked it up – very strange!
Last year I vacayed on Kauai for a week.
Even though they were free rangers before, after Hurricane Iniki ravaged the place about ten year ago the feral fowl are ALL over the island!
http://www.wraezor.com/gdawn/Kauai%20chickens%20Leahs.jpg
Bud Wiser
November 25th, 2009
11:13 am
…but, seriously … as long as congresscritters are human beings, less-than-perfect is what we’ll get, regardless of my expectations (or yours).
Considering what we are seeing exhibited by our elected officials these days, I’d say your comment zooms to the top of the list of “Understatements of the 21st Century”.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
11:14 am
Bruno, in Dan Brown’s latest book he talks of a science, started with an “N” but he claims it’s a real science. If that’s true and what he says in the book is true, then the soul is a measurable unit. when it leaves the body, the body weighs less. Interesting to consider…
Me? Don’t care. The only thing we are ever sure of in this life is the instant we call “now”. All before now is future and all behind now is past.
But is the soul is a living thing separate from the body? I believe so. Does it go to “Heaven”? I’ll find out soon enough…and if there is, then my only hope is that if I have been good enough, my slice of Heaven will be a certain little valley in Kentucky.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:14 am
Jo Nix –
“USinUK–with all due respect, I must disagree with you, so I’ll have your share of the greenbean casserole. Yum…”
being the liberal that I am, I am happy to redistribute my green bean casserole to you …
jconservative
November 25th, 2009
11:16 am
Dave R.
“This country is full of fiscal conservatives and social liberals, and the party that embraces them will be the one that gets my vote. The GOP and the Dems do not get my vote.”
I realize I am in the discussion late but just wanted to second your thoughts along with a few others folks.
USinUK – The way you change the party dominance in the caucus is elect more “principled” members of Congress. That means you must stop voting for Democrats or Republicans. But please do not give up.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:17 am
And a special side sermon for @@:
Accepting that the story of Adam and Eve is allegorical in nature, I’ve often wondered about the true meaning of Eve eating the Forbidden Fruit. Why is this an integral part of the Bible story?
In most churches, this is presented as being the Original Sin, for which mankind will eternally be punished for. Billions of people now saying, “damn that woman, she messed it up for all of us”.
I take a different view, however. The tree she ate from was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Knowledge of good and evil, in secular terms, might be termed “moral discrimination”, which we humans believe we are uniquely capable of, which distinguishes us from other animals. So rather than viewing the awakening of Adam and Eve as a mistake or an evil, disobedient choice, I view it as an “evolutionary” step forward, one pre-ordained by the Creator.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:22 am
AmVET–
Cats know! We’re both cat people here and all the neighborhood cats know there’s a full bowl and a warm spot on the couch with a cat window for easy access…some Mustafa lets pass, others he doesn’t…
Feral Fowl…several years ago a chicken truck had a wreck “up on the highway” from Granny’s and Graddaddy’s place and a lot of them were set free…now the woods there about are full of them. Back to nature, they’ve “devolved” into a leaner, faster, healthier animal and the feral brown eggs are nothing like the ones they were bred to lay…
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:23 am
“I was raised on the Maimonidean–the spiritual and the earthly are two different spheres–the former belonging to G-d and the theological, the latter belonging to man and the scientific…”
It may be a fool’s quest, but my goal since an early age is to find a way to bring the two together into a unified science/religion theory which simultaneously explains both while contradicting neither.
“being the liberal that I am, I am happy to redistribute my green bean casserole to you …
”
That would make you a conservative then, USinUK. We’re the ones who believe in private charity. Or have the Dems passed a new “Green Bean Sharing” law that I am unaware of?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
11:24 am
Bruno, you bring up Adam and Eve and I’ve always wondered about a certain thing. Why do you suppose that the Christian churches thought of woman as inferior to man? I mean, if you believe G-d made Eve from Adams rib, wouldn’t that be symbolic to mean that Eve was to stand beside Adam, ie. woman was to stand beside man? Equal partners? If G-d had meant for woman to stand behind man, why didn’t He use Adam’s tail bone?
Anyway if Eve had said “No thank you” to the snake, where would we be now?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
11:25 am
have the Dems passed a new “Green Bean Sharing” law that I am unaware of?
Now, that’s a damned good idea!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:26 am
“Anyway if Eve had said “No thank you” to the snake, where would we be now?”
Blue-balled.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:27 am
Bruno –
“That would make you a conservative then, USinUK. We’re the ones who believe in private charity. Or have the Dems passed a new “Green Bean Sharing” law that I am unaware of?”
hahaha… I was just thinking of the redistribution of greenbean casserole from those of us with too much (for me, even a little is too much) to those who need more …
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:30 am
Bruno–I agree with your interpretation of the Adam and Eve story and that was what I was taught. I forget now who it was that Granddaddy quoted or exactly how the quote went, but it was something like, “the human being is the only animal to distinguish between good and evil and is the only one that needs to.”
UsUK–now if we can just reach an understanding on that lime jell-o thingie—
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:30 am
“I was just thinking of the redistribution of greenbean casserole from those of us with too much (for me, even a little is too much) to those who need more …”
You can have all of my fruit cake. I do plan to exercise my full rights as a greedy capitalist when it comes to the jello/fruit dish.
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
11:31 am
Normal
**Why do you suppose that the Christian churches thought of woman as inferior to man?*
WTF? Where in the world do you guys get this stuff? I just drove through Decatur where I saw some tall white dude and his female wife,/mate/whatever, completely covered from head to toe in a flat black Burkka? I see that and then I come in here and read what you wrote. Wake up and smell the coffee.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
11:34 am
The essence of Christianity is told to us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the Tree of Knowledge. The subtext is, all the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on. You could be in the Garden of Eden if you had just kept your f*ĉking mouth shut and hadn’t asked any questions. ~ Frank Zappa, 1993
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:35 am
“Why do you suppose that the Christian churches thought of woman as inferior to man? I mean, if you believe G-d made Eve from Adams rib, wouldn’t that be symbolic to mean that Eve was to stand beside Adam, ie. woman was to stand beside man? Equal partners? If G-d had meant for woman to stand behind man, why didn’t He use Adam’s tail bone?”
Probably because they are all crazy. (ducking the flying food)
Maybe josef or even a fundy can weigh in on this, but the way it’s been presented to me is that men and women simply have different roles in life. Men traditionally are assigned to leadership roles. This is not supposed to make a man superior in God’s eyes, just more a matter of apportioning responsibility. Kind of like the Jews supposedly being God’s Chosen People.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:36 am
Bruno–
Fool’s errand? Not unless mankind is a fool–the corrollary in the Maimonidean is that the purpose of human existence and study IS the drive to bring the two into harmony. That we will ulitimately be unsuccessful does not mean that we should not strive toward that end, each of us in his/her own way. Have you looked into the cabbala?
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
11:36 am
josef
**the human being is the only animal to distinguish between good and evil and is the only one that needs to.”**
That was Mark Twain. it’s also a great line in a fantastic movie called Finding Forrester. it stars Sean Connery and was directed by Lawrence Mark, the same guy that directed Goodwill hunting.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:40 am
NIF –
“WTF? Where in the world do you guys get this stuff?”
may I suggest you check out the Southern Baptist Convention platform sometime (and what they have to say about wimmen) … I’ll give you a hint: they don’t see wimmen-folk as equal …
… and the catholic church sure as HELL doesn’t see women as equal
Normal
November 25th, 2009
11:42 am
Happy Thanksgiving Day Eve, NIF.
Christianity has held down females since the beginning. “Let your women be silent in church”. The Catholic church, the Babtists all use that phrase to explain away why they will not let women be preachers.
It’s history, so let’s not go there.
Let’s talk about green bean casserole instead…I love it. have a recipe you wouldn’t believe….yum!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:42 am
“Fool’s errand? Not unless mankind is a fool–the corrollary in the Maimonidean is that the purpose of human existence and study IS the drive to bring the two into harmony. That we will ulitimately be unsuccessful does not mean that we should not strive toward that end, each of us in his/her own way. Have you looked into the cabbala?”
I haven’t done any serious study of the Kabbala (sp?), josef.
From a standpoint of Zen Buddhism, as well, the emphasis is on the journey (zazen) and not so much on the end (sartori).
One of these days, if I get wound up enough, we can have a discussion on the Zen components of Judaism/Christianity. They’re not as far apart as some might like to believe.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
11:43 am
More wonderful irreverence… (And B, loved the line about ducking the flying food! Or is it shoes these days?)
When it comes to bull___t, big-time, major league bull___t, you simply have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bull___t story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time!
But He loves you.
He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow He just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull___t story. Holy S__t! ~George Carlin
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:45 am
Bruno–
I’ll trade you my share of the lime jell-o for your fruitcake–two shares if it’s Claxton’s.
Men and women…my Uncle Ralph, the leprechaun of the hedge school, put it this way, “you have to protect the baby factory. If you don’t there won’t be any more of us. That’s in our evolution, the science of the matter. How we go about that is culture.”
USinUK earlier brought up Lysistrata–always worth a second look in this matter.
The MOTs will be aware of Lillith. (I had an Aunt Lillith–quote Mama, “what was Miz Vashti thinking when she named that child?”
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:49 am
Jo Nix – not a MOT, but even I know about Lillith!!
and you guys can have my green bean casserole and my lime jello stuff, and you can even have my American version of fruitcake (English fruitcake is much better!), but you had better keep your mitts OFF my apple pie!!! (and a small sliver of pecan pie with it – they go kinda nice together)
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:49 am
“And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you.”
LMFAO!
I’m still impressed by his chosen epitaph: “Hey, wasn’t he just here a minute ago?”.
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
11:49 am
The three Abrahamic religions are all basically founded on misogyny, in the sense of mistrusting women.
True, much of it is was continued based on historically social norms, but is this even arguable?
And it is why the worst of the Judeo-Christian types ensured it would take until 1920(!!!) and the Nineteenth Amendment to codify an end to the practice in this “enlightened’ nation…
Jackie
November 25th, 2009
11:49 am
Had some errands to run for the holidays.
@Dave R.
“Fix the PROBLEMS, Jackie.
I’ve said this all along. Even Mrs. G. at one point supported this plan.
1. Enact tort reform to lower malpractice insurance costs and end excessive and needless defensive testing for simple issues.
2. Allow insurance companies to offer their products across state lines.
3. Encourage insurance companies to offer group policies towards job classifications such as real estate agents or auto workers, rather than by employer.
4. Expand Medicare coverage for ONLY those people with existing pre-conditions that private companies won’t take and for those below the poverty level that cannot buy insurance, but require that a 3/4 majority be put in place to keep Congress from expanding that pool when it suits their re-election fancies. That would be the extent of a government option.”
1. Ask Texas about tort reform. It does not help in any way in resolving the issue. It only provides more money to the health insurance carriers. Saves 1/4/ of 1%, at most.
2. Health insurance IS offered across state lines. Where areCIGNA, United Health Care and other providers located?
3. Encourage health care companies? Next comment.
4. Your proposal does nothing to reduce the cost of health care insurance. Without a large pool that takes all comers, the health care companies can choose whomever they want in order to maximize their profits.
Ask yourself, why do yo pay your premium to a health care company; they did no work to relieve you of your suffering?
In my opinion, your proposals would make the situation worse than it is presently.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:51 am
“but you had better keep your mitts OFF my apple pie!!! ”
So much for us all getting along this AM. That’s MY pie, and I’ll sumo wrestle you for it!!
(I may be at a disadvantage, though, having recently lost 20lbs)
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:51 am
Bruno – “I’m still impressed by his chosen epitaph: “Hey, wasn’t he just here a minute ago?””
baHA!!! love it!
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:54 am
Bruno –
“(I may be at a disadvantage, though, having recently lost 20lbs)!
1) well done, you!!
2) just how big do you think I am, mister???!!!
3) apple pie + pecan pie will pretty much remedy the lost 20 pounds …
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:55 am
You know, USinUK, I still miss the old W2W, though. We argued a lot back then, but the level of vitriol wasn’t as extreme as on Jay’s blog. SOme of these “conservatives” are actually starting to make ol’ chuck look good!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
11:55 am
Bruno, having recently lost 20lbs)
I think I found them…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:56 am
NIF–thanks for the citation. I knew it sounded like him but wasn’t sure…
AmVet–
Another one from the leprechaun of the hedge school, “Aw, Jodie, the Ten Commandments is just a dumb a*s’s cheat sheet for judgment day…”
Bruno–
If you do look into the cabbala (many spellings), stay the f away from the pop cultural version!
Oh, and food for thought on misogyny, “tis a wise man who knows who his father is…” Women (and wimmyn alike) have been lying through their teeth for a long, long time!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:56 am
“2) just how big do you think I am, mister???!!!
I would answer nicely, but since we’re after that same last piece of pie, all bets are off…..
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
11:57 am
Bruno –
I miss some of the W2W regulars (can you believe Sunshine’s kid will be nearing 1, soon?) … but I don’t miss how almost every discussion devolved into abortion … at least here, there’s a lot more diversity in the things we argue about!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:59 am
“I think I found them…”
USinUK has previously proposed the Shift Diet. It starts by selecting some unsuspecting passerby….
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:02 pm
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:59 am
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:03 pm
Don’t know if any of you remember The Greaseman, but he had a funny schtick about how to increase the donations in church. In his best preacherman voice he would say “Now folks, I have two sermons prepared this morning. The first one is 20 minutes long, the second one is two and a half hours. We’re going to pass the collection plate around to determine which sermon you get.”
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:06 pm
Bruno–lost 20 lbs? Told Unmentionable I’d lost the same–he says, “don’t look now, but it’s following you!”
Hemmingway cats, Mama, and knowing who your father is…when I was born, the delivering doctor was an old beau of Mama’s she had jilted in favor of my dad. Well, I popped out and as the doc was looking me over, he burst out laughing. Mama, of course, “what’s wrong?” “Well,” said the doc, “there’s no question he’s Charlie’s!” Turns out I had six toes on one foot! Still have it. It never grew and is this little baby one on the side of my second toe on my left foot which, I’m sure, would mean something to the cabbalists and our Yankee detractors!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:07 pm
“I miss some of the W2W regulars (can you believe Sunshine’s kid will be nearing 1, soon?)”
Wow, I didn’t think about that. Remember when TOJ accused her of being JokesOn and their battles over gestation periods?
“but I don’t miss how almost every discussion devolved into abortion … at least here, there’s a lot more diversity in the things we argue about!”
We got the abortion issue cranked up a little bit on Sunday and Monday. Reporter doesn’t seem to grasp how someone can oppose something, yet realize that simply making it illegal may not be the best solution.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:09 pm
“Told Unmentionable I’d lost the same–he says, “don’t look now, but it’s following you!”
Actually, the ladies at work didn’t like my weight loss. They said I have NA Syndrome now.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
12:12 pm
Bruno –
“They said I have NA Syndrome now.” in my family, we just say that we suffer from noassatall …
“Wow, I didn’t think about that. Remember when TOJ accused her of being JokesOn and their battles over gestation periods?” he accused EVERYone of being JokesOn (bless him) … and I was there for the Great Gestation Debate … good times …
“Reporter doesn’t seem to grasp how someone can oppose something, yet realize that simply making it illegal may not be the best solution”
darlin’, that’s jsut the tip of the iceberg of the things whiner doesn’t grasp …
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:15 pm
USinUk–
Well, jus’ sayin’, but there’s at least one thing whiner grasps!
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
12:16 pm
USinUK
Have a good Thanksgiving.
AmVet
You left out the most important part of the title of the tree. It’s the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It was just saying that Adam and Eve were innocent. I’m not sure I would quote Frank Zappa as an authority on much of anything.
There’s a lot of problems with that story, but the tree is not the problem. Where Cain and Able found a wife? That’s a problem.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:18 pm
To be fair, Reporter has thrown out some solid Friday night music selections, though they tend toward the metal side. RW impressed me with “Sentimental Lady” by Bob Welch.
USinUK
November 25th, 2009
12:19 pm
okay, my fine feathered friends … I’m heading home – I hope everyone has a fantastic day tomorrow and is able to enjoy the time with their family and friends … (just, for the love of god, keep the green bean casserole to yourselves)
take care!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:20 pm
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:15 pm
USinUk–
Well, jus’ sayin’, but there’s at least one thing whiner grasps!
We can only assume…
Mrs. Godzilla
November 25th, 2009
12:20 pm
Just poppin’ in to wish ya’ll a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Hug all your loved ones and kiss the baby’s till there cheeks are chapped!
Here a topic for you discuss……
Turkey sandwhich?
Mayo or Miracle Whip?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:21 pm
Happy Thanksgiving, USinUK…wish you were here!
Matilda
November 25th, 2009
12:22 pm
USinUK & Bruno: HEYYYY! I miss it sometimes too, but at least here Mr. Bookman steps in when things get too personal (Not that we ever needed that…) USinUK, I’m sorry about the spat we had last Thanksgiving. Hope you have your fill of yummy American food and do indeed take the day off just on principle!
I haven’t decided what dish to make for my family gathering yet. I like to make black beans, but it’s not very Thanksgiving-y. PIE IS THE BEST! I like it all! But it’s fattening… B, me thinks you’re too skinny now.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:22 pm
MRS. G, Happy Thanksgiving to tou and yours. Aye, aye, on the huggin’ and kissin’, Ma’am
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:23 pm
NIF
Cain and Abel took wives from among the women of men…implying that A and E were created to be special and “above” the slings and arrows of all that mere flesh is heir to–like loss of innocence, a life of misery, then death–all with no real and concrete meaning and purpose beyond procreation.
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
12:23 pm
AmVet
Religion gives some people peace. But it is no more crazy than some of the “Earth Concerts” I have seen. When Melissa Ethridge starts talking about how much she believes in the ex-bible pounder Al Gore, the idea of a big man in the sky that loves everyone doesn’t seem nearly as crazy.
And why don’t you have the same problem with Astrology? Or do you? I never hear anyone talking about how crazy that idea is. Yes, I know: Nancy Reagan. Of course Nancy was never the president and every straight guy knows about the craziness that sometimes we all must face.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:23 pm
“There’s a lot of problems with that story, but the tree is not the problem. Where Cain and Able found a wife? That’s a problem.”
Which means that Adam and Eve weren’t the “first” humans in the sense of being the only Homo sapiens in existence on Earth at that time. I view the whole Adam=First Man, Eve=First Woman as meaning that Adam and Eve were the first Enlightened Humans who had the power of moral discrimination. Taking things out of a “literal” context and putting them into an “allegorical” context is the only way to understand the stories, IMO.
BTW, I”m sure you realize that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are two distinct Creation stories, with significant, irreconcilable differences?
Mrs. Godzilla
November 25th, 2009
12:23 pm
gee I wish I could spell worth a hoot …..
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
12:28 pm
NIF, I only relay such heretical writings to……well, you know.
Mrs. G, great question!
My family is split over this important issue.
And in spite of the clever jabs in that wonderful movie Undercover Brother, I’m a mayo man…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubV3t9_CwDc
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:28 pm
“USinUK & Bruno: HEYYYY! I miss it sometimes too, but at least here Mr. Bookman steps in when things get too personal (Not that we ever needed that…) USinUK, I’m sorry about the spat we had last Thanksgiving. Hope you have your fill of yummy American food and do indeed take the day off just on principle!”
I do remember you telling her that she could keep her nasty bangers and mash. And I trust any “differences of opinion” we may have had in the past are truly in the past.
“B, me thinks you’re too skinny now.”
I went from 188 to 168. I didn’t like the belly fat, it distracted from my better features. (See, some things never change, do they? LOL)
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
12:28 pm
josef
**Cain and Abel took wives from among the women of men…*
Whatever. I mean really I see it all as a parable. God is nature. Nature is God. Earthquakes are caused by God? Earthquakes are caused by nature. Do we have an afterlife? If that is the natural order of things, then yes we do. We will all find out some day. Does our actions here decide how we spend that afterlife? I know that Karma is real, so I can see that happening.
I just know that anyone who thinks they know all the answers is a fool, whether they be a Freewill Baptist, Al Gore or an atheist.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:29 pm
Normal–
“We can only assume… ”
There are some things you just want to think about!
USinUK
Will be thinking of ya tomorrow!
MsG
MAYO! You can take that Miracle Whip and send it with the lime jell-o to the Third World!
Matilda–
I’ll have a second helping of black beans!
Matilda
November 25th, 2009
12:33 pm
josef, okay, I’ll make them, then. Thanks! Besides, I have fresh red peppers from my garden that are looking for a good dish to invade. Hey, that means I don’t have to go to Publix today. Yayyyy!
Matilda
November 25th, 2009
12:35 pm
“I just know that anyone who thinks they know all the answers is a fool… I must agree with you there, NIF.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:37 pm
“And in spite of the clever jabs in that wonderful movie Undercover Brother, I’m a mayo man…”
Hilarious clip. I’ll counter with a classic scene from Airplane:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZwMcoDVJM
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:37 pm
NIF
In response to all the answers…while I am a believer, that is my choice for no one can prove the existence of G-d any more than one can prove there isn’t. Ultimately, we’re all agnostics. Afforded the option, I go with there is, being an optimist.
And what is a Christian? A Jew with an insurance policy….
Mrs. Godzilla
November 25th, 2009
12:37 pm
lime jello is the food of the dark overlord……
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
12:39 pm
NIF, I put astrology right up there with Tarot cards.
My two cents worth?
Almost all people are petrified at the the thought of life ending in oblivion – nothingness, emptiness, nihility, nirvana, nonexistence, nothing, nowhere, nullity, out there, void.
I have looked for the “answers” my life entire life starting in high school. (Ask my mom when I was a RABID Jesus guy in my teens!) I have read an enormous amount about religions, philosophy, cosmology, epistemology and every other ology.
In my estimation oblivion is the most likely answer…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:40 pm
Matilda–
glad to be of survice! Oooh, that pepper sounds good! Me? I have to make potato salad and crepes…Unmentionable has already threaded the crowds at Publix. He actually ENJOYS that. The boy ain’t normal….
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:40 pm
“I just know that anyone who thinks they know all the answers is a fool”
And if I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don’t know…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw6_VXPwm6U
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:41 pm
Josef, the Devil is makin’ me ask you this, why are you celebrating Thanksgiving Day when it was Ol’ Abe Lincolns gift to the North?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:43 pm
Oh, and Josef, “And what is a Christian? A Jew with an insurance policy….”
Is that a term or whole life policy?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:44 pm
The boy ain’t normal….
I bet he would be if he met me…
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
12:45 pm
AmVet
LOL Yea I know. To pi$$ everybody off.
But that’s OK. People take other people’s beliefs way too seriously. Just try to be good to other people and understand that some people will never get any smarter no matter how much you yell at them. (Not talking about you personally, but that crazy woman in that Mercedes this morning talking on her cell phone was God’s way of teaching me patience.)
And I deeply resent that Islam has stolen the Phrase Allah Arkba (God is Great) For a religion that cover’s women up from head to toe to claim that really pi$$es me off.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:49 pm
In my estimation oblivion is the most likely answer…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVrnIpISFM&feature=related
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:49 pm
Normal–believe it or not, my Granny refused to celebrate it for precisely those reasons. “We’ve already got Rosh Hashana, what do we need with Diocletian of the Potomac’s apostasy?” Before we had the kids to raise, Unmentionable and I didn’t do it, me for the reasons you cite, and he for red ones. When the kids came along we changed since there was no reason to make them feel ostracized. Same logic Mama used when Santa Clause came to see her little ones…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
12:50 pm
Normal–
Term or whole life? I think that probably lies at the heart of their sectarian squabbling!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:52 pm
Life, so they say
Is but a game and they’d let it slip away
Love, like the autumn sun
Should be dyin’ but it’s only just begun
Like the twilight in the road up ahead
They don’t see just where we’re goin’
And all the secrets in the universe
Whisper in our ears
All the years that come and go
Take us up, always up
Dreams, so they say
Are for the fools and they let ‘em drift away
Peace, like the silent dove
Should be flyin’ but it’s only just begun
Like Columbus in the olden days
We must gather all our courage
Sail our ships out on the open seas
Cast away our fears and
All the years that come and go
Take us up, always up
(So) I wanna laugh while the laughin’ is easy
I wanna cry when it makes it worthwhile
I may never pass this way again
That’s why I want it with you
(’Cause) You make me feel like I’m more than a friend
Like I’m the journey and you’re the journey’s end
I may never pass this way again
That’s why I want it with you, baby
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
12:52 pm
Bruno
168???
Bro, I’m equal to 1.5 of you. lol!!!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:56 pm
“Is that a term or whole life policy?”
Depends on the particular sect from my understanding.
Enjoyed the blog fellowship this morning. Have a good one…..
Normal
November 25th, 2009
12:56 pm
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
12:52 pm
Bruno
168???
Bro, I’m equal to 1.5 of you. lol!!!
Yo, me too, almost on the nose!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
12:57 pm
“Bro, I’m equal to 1.5 of you. lol!!!”
Which is when I come through your line in Feb it will be “Yes, sir!! Whatever you say, sir!!”
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
12:57 pm
Normal
I’m a few short of a perfect 1.5, but I’m d@mned close.
Nothing Is Free
November 25th, 2009
12:58 pm
AmVet
I stopped searching in high school. Searching for something that we are all sure to find just never appealed to me. I believe in Ghosts, spirits, the power of lots of people praying for the same thing and the healing power of a long walk on a warm, sunny day. I believe in love, esp and that heaven would not be much of a place if it didn’t include all the dogs and cats that I have had in my life. Maybe there we can talk.
I have miles to go before I sleep. Everyone is gone back home to Tennessee for thanksgiving and I had to stay here because of work so I will be spending Turkey Day with football, scotch and some “herbal medicine.”
Have a great Thanksgiving, everyone.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
1:00 pm
ABM, don’t you just hate those losers…
Normal
November 25th, 2009
1:01 pm
NIF, same to you. I think you have the star to steer by…just sayin’
AmVet
November 25th, 2009
1:02 pm
NIF, my bite is WAY worse than my bite!
I’m glad we found a way to get past what I’ve never really been able to do before here.
Thank you…I am glad to count you as a friend and look forward to many great discussions and yes – disagreements – with you! I think just maybe we can teach other something. Something good. Something important…
B, a nice little cover of a nice little song…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sbezvcNF2M
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
1:05 pm
Normal
All I’m saying is that my mother didn’t raise a quitter, even at the dinner table.
A wise word of warning for those with children. Be wary of them playing games outdoors over the holiday. Seems like there are some child hating deer amongst us.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/PSA-Playing-some-Thanksgiving-Day-football-Bew?urn=nfl,204609
Gale
November 25th, 2009
1:05 pm
Gee things got friendly while I was at lunch. Did all the nasties leave or did they take the offer of pie and get sweet?
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
1:08 pm
Gale
I don’t know what happened. I had to put a few people on a plane back home. I came back online, and all was cheery here.
I saw your earlier comment. I don’t know if the weather had any effect on strategic planning during the Civil War, but it had an effect on the troops who were inadequately prepared for it.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
1:14 pm
ABM–that’s one bad a** Bambi!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
1:16 pm
ABM, Gale, Yep, after the first year of the war, most of the Southern soldiers werebarefoot warriors. One of the Urban ledgends about Gettysburg is that Lee was actually headed to or around York, PA, but heard of a supply of shoes at gettysburg. Have to ask Josef, if this is true but I’ve heard about it all my life.
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
1:19 pm
Normal
That’s how Gettysburg started. Confederate troops were headed in town to gather shoes for their troops. I can’t remember which group it was, but they ran into Union Calvary and thus began the skirmish.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
1:22 pm
I won’t know if I got this until I post, but if I do…read. It’s a history lesson for tomorrow…
http://www.newsweek.com/id/224068
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
1:32 pm
Normal
After reading that, I’m more than pleased that my family’s diet is transitioning towards organic foods only. I try my best not to feed my daughter any meats or dairy that has been “juiced”. I pay more, but I think it will pay off health-wise in the future.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
1:39 pm
The settlers at Jamestowne had a feast to give thanks for surviving the Starving Time over 10 years before the Pilgrims ever landed at Plymouth. There were thanksgiving type celebrations among the Spanish people in what is now the southwestern U. S. before the Jamestowne settlers arrived and of course many Indian tribes throughout the Americas had been having feasts to give thanks for a long time. So the First Thanksgiving wasn’t really the First Thanksgiving at all.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
1:45 pm
Y’all–this is true of G’burg. Another sidelight on the difference between them and us…Lee
demanded that any requisitions from the Yankee population be paid for at fair market value–C*nfederate currency, of course! However, those bills that can be reasonably verified as having come from Lee’s army are highly prized and fetch a high price among aficionados!
The story is told that General Cleland, one of my own C’federate heroes, during the Battle of Franklin, paused in his ride to give his boots to a barefoot soldier, saying “where I’m going, I won’t need them.” He was killed in the battle. Ima Gonna could learn a lot from this man.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
1:52 pm
On the subject of lack of shoes among Confederates:
The retreat from the Battle of Nashville was conducted in sleet and ice. According to many first hand accounts the ice on the roads was stained with the blood from barefooted soldiers.
General Cleburne (a native of Ireland by the way) was one of five Confederate generals killed or mortally wounded at the Battle of Franklin. In my view, the ill-fated charge that Gen. John Bell Hood ordered there is one of the biggest horrors in a war that was filled with horrors.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
1:54 pm
oops–that’s General Cleburne…Max must be on my mind!
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
2:00 pm
Hillbilly
Cleburne was also gay, and quite openly so, and was one of only two C’federate generals to adopt Judah Benjamin’s 1861 proposal to free any slave and their families who would serve in the Army…the other was Nathan Bedford Forrest who freed 40 of his, men who rode with him til the end.
Gale
November 25th, 2009
2:03 pm
I knew there was a shoe factory in Gettysburg. My lessons didn’t point out that was the reason the Confederate troops were headed there. In retrospect, the Confederates might have done better by waging a gorilla war. However, I seem to remember something about all the shipping and manufacturing being based in the North, while the South was raw goods; property poor, as it were.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
2:19 pm
Gale one of the ironies of the war, to me at least, was that General Longstreet openly advocated for a defensive war from the beginning. Arguing, and correctly, that the Noth had more men and material. Anyone who studies warfare knows that to take a defensive position from the enemy, you had to have at least three times the manpower and even then it would be a close thing. General Longstreet was to become one of Lee’s superior generals, but even at Gettysburg he argued against Pickett’s Charge. If Lee had listened, many confererate live’s would have been saved.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
2:20 pm
GALE–
On the guerrilla warfare–the tactics of Gen. Forrest, still studied in military academies worldwide, he credited to his freed slave Jerry Forrest…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
2:27 pm
the other was Nathan Bedford Forrest who freed 40 of his, men who rode with him til the end.
And of those 40, the one in charge of the rest, Jerry, was referred to by the others as “the General”.
Interesting story, Bedford Forrest had one horse, King Phillip, that was his favorite of all his war time mounts. He rode this horse through many battles, in spite of having had 30 horses shot out from under him, and King Phillip survived the war. King Phillip developed a hatred for the color blue and would snort, paw at the ground, and try to charge, if he wasn’t restrained, if he saw blue.
One day after the war Bedford Forrest and the General were putting up fence posts in a field and King Phillip was grazing unattended. Along came a detachment of Union occupation troops riding down the road. Upon seeing them King Phillip immediately charged the troops. One of the Union men struck at the horse and Jerry, the General, ran out to the horse’s aid and order was restored.
In my view, if Forrest had ever been given command of the Army of Tennessee, expecially early on, things would have been a lot different in the Western Theatre.
Gale
You posted that South might have been better off fighting a guerilla war, and I would tend to agree with that. Most of the high ranking Generals on both sides were West Pointers though, and I think this idea was foreign to them.
Bosch
November 25th, 2009
2:32 pm
Hey, i like lime jello. Carrot raisin salad is the food of the dark overlords. Green bean casserole too. that’s just nasty.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
2:32 pm
Normal
Lee referred to Longstreet as “my Old War Horse”. Longstreet was a master counter puncher and he turned out to be right about Gettysburg.
Longstreet moved to Gainesville, Ga. in 1875 and remained there until he died in 1904. He is buried in the Alta Vista Cemetery in Gainesville.
Gale
November 25th, 2009
2:35 pm
Thanks guys. I wonder if I can retain the inspiration and go looking for good books. Can anyone recommend? I have particular interest in the economics of the war.
Curious Observer
November 25th, 2009
2:42 pm
Yes, it is true that the initial foray into Gettysburg was to search for shoes. However, it was not for shoes for Lee’s entire army. Rather, it was a single brigade of around 300 men, and the search was for shoes for that brigade. The brigade commander had Lee’s blessing. It was just an accident of history that the brigade encountered a fairly strong Union force passing through, withdrew, and reported the existence of the force to Lee. The brigade commander even stated his intention to return to Gettysburg the next day to accomplish his mission, but by that time Lee’s aggressiveness had taken control of the situation and even stronger Confederate forces were diverted to Gettysburg.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
2:45 pm
Gale, Shelby Foote wore a narritive trilogy “The Civil War” that is very good. He explains a whole lot about the reasons the started, economics, and ramifications involved. It’s easy to read and is a good primer. You would be amazed at how much Lincoln was like G.W. Bush (or visa versa) in the actions he took in the name of “preserving the Union”.
If you can find it, there was a PBS series on the book too…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
2:47 pm
Gale
I don’t know of any books that focus on the economics, although I’m sure there are some. As a starting point though, I’d recommend Shelby Foote’s 3 volume set, “The Civil War: A Narrative”. (Took me almost a year to read those by the way). Foote’s material is well researched and since he was such a talented writer, they don’t read like the typical history book.
When you read something in there about the economics that interests you, I’d suggest checking the bibliography and trying to find the source material to read. That works with pretty much any history. Just keep digging back and you’ll find more material.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
2:50 pm
Hillbilly, Normal and Gale–
Well, the moderator held up my 2:39–what more did I expect?
HEY JAYBIRD–
Okay, there it is again…and you really expect me to believe your happy horse sh*t from previous just such? What kind of fool DO you take me for? Do I hold it against you and the moderator? Hey, it’s your blog and just adds more fuel and evidence to my argument…
Normal,ABM-elsewhere
Disgusted
November 25th, 2009
2:50 pm
Lee referred to Longstreet as “my Old War Horse”. Longstreet was a master counter puncher and he turned out to be right about Gettysburg.
My favorite nickname of the entire Civil War was the one Union troops bestowed on General George Meade, the commander of all Union forces at Gettysburg. His distinguishing feature was protruding eyes, and his troops referred to him as “Old Goggle Eyes.”
Normal
November 25th, 2009
2:52 pm
Hillbilly, year ago I remember a book called “The Court Martial Of Longstreet” It was based on the fact that the South had won at Gettysburg and Longstreet was being tried for treason since he had talked against the final charge(which inthe book, was a success). It was a fascinating read and historically accurate as far as the battle was concerned. I can’t remember the author, though. Have you heard of it?
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
2:55 pm
GALE–
Two suggestions (if I can get it past the watchers!)
Clement Eaton’s “A History of the Southern C’federacy” is a very good overview of the various aspects…
and
E. B.Long’s “The Civil War Day by Day” one of the most fascinating books I’ve ever read on any subject of such nature–amazing amount of information…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:02 pm
GALE–
BTW, Foote is G-d as far as I am concerned when it comes to this subject.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
3:04 pm
Jay, I just read Josef’s post elsewhere and I can find no reason it would be moderated. What he was saying was a fascinating peice of history that all of us interested in the American Civil War would love to see. It doesn’t make sense. Please explain this one to me, either here or elsewhere, but I do believe we are owed an explaination. Please.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
disgusted–
Let’s not forget where the term “hooker” came from!
Lincoln called Winfield Scott, “Old Fuss and Feathers.”
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:05 pm
Normal
No, I’ve never heard of that book. I do know that there was some ill will towards Longstreet after the war for his views on Gettysburg as well as for his advising Southerners to accept Union rule. There has been a great deal of discussion about his comments on accepting Union rule by various people, often using his stance to make a political point one way or another. If you read his book, “From Mannassas to Appomatox”, however, he makes the point that he advised Southerners to accept Union rule because at that point, they basically had no choice.
And a tad unrelated but one of the most interesting anecdotes from the war is about Union Gen. Sedgewick. His men were penned down by Confederate sharp shooters and he was trying to rally them. He said, “I’m ashamed of you, dodging that way”. Then he laughed and said, “They couldn’t hit an elephant at this distance”. The next shot hit him under the eye and he was killed.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:06 pm
Normal–
Thanks, but I’ll lay you ten to one he will either dance a two step or ignore it entirely. Since you already know about it, don’t you think this is a good one for the books?
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:10 pm
Hillbilly–
Longstreet was a traitor at worst, a self-serving hypocrite at best, in my opinion.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
3:12 pm
BTW guys and gals, I’m still at work. The only one here now. They foolishly let the warehouse people go and since my shop is in the warehouse too…I’m waiting on a pick up. I wish it would be a ‘53 ford pick up, but that’s another fantasy…
————–
After I leave here, I’m headed to Mom’s for a early Thanksgiving dinner.
She is getting quite shy of crowds now and is afraid she won’t remember names and such. I would rather have he not get stressed too.
——————-
But in case I forget…EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING!!! EAT LIKE
THERE IS NO TOMORROW! LAUGH, LOVE, DANCE, DRINK!!! Really, have a great one.
Dusty
November 25th, 2009
3:17 pm
Well…have a fine Thanksgiving one and all.
I should stop there but…
I can’t stand superficial cherry-o … I so cute and ho ho ho.. (All that sugar is not healthy.)
Then…..
Seems those that know so much about religion never darken the doors of the places where it is celebrated and encouraged. ho ho ho forever mo!
And….
I don’t celebrate war but I still know that most of our freedom is still with us because we fought for it. :Lest we forget and all that. oh oh oh
So bah! humbug ! With heartfelt best wishes for you & your families. May we all be thankful as we are truly blessed. Then pass the forsaken fruitcake ( Uh… oh….drifting off to.cherry & cute!!)
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:19 pm
Longstreet was a traitor at worst, a self-serving hypocrite at best, in my opinion.
All I’ll say is he did some things i wouldn’t have done if I had been in his shoes.
Disgusted
November 25th, 2009
3:20 pm
Longstreet was a traitor at worst, a self-serving hypocrite at best, in my opinion.
At least give Longstreet credit for strongly advising Lee against the attack on the center of the Union line. After Lee made the decision and issued the order, Longstreet didn’t have the heart even to utter a word when Pickett asked him if the charge should begin. The decimation of Pickett’s division and the loss of the battle at Gettysburg can’t be laid at Longstreet’s door.
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
3:20 pm
The unemployment rate will remain elevated for years to come, according to a forecast released Tuesday by the Federal Reserve that addresses for the first time economic conditions at the time of the next presidential election.
Hope and change!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/24/AR2009112400389.html?hpid=topnews
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:21 pm
BOSCH–
Hey! And we didn’t even have to cry “Cheney!”
Mine and your gab on the blogmeister and censorship–today’s DOES fall neatly into a long standing pattern…and THIS one I do take personally–well, intellectually–
I still like green bean casserole, though…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
Disgusted–I don’t doubt Longstreet’s military genius, it was his sell out later that I find so objectionable…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:23 pm
Disgusted
I wouldn’t disagree with that. For generalship (if that’s a word) and as a military man I don’t find a lot of fault in Longstreet. It was his some of his actions after the war I’d be in disagreement with. Of course, I wasn’t there and I guess hindsight is 20-20.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
DUSTY–
I’ll have some fruitcake, too, and be thinking of Jaybird as I consume!
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:24 pm
Josef
As to your moderated comment, a hint on what the subject of the post was?
Gale
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Happy Thanksgiving to all the folks leaving soon. I do believe I am now thanksful for the Civil War buffs who care enough to enlighten us and satisfy my curiosity with good pointers.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:26 pm
Hillbilly–
20-20 hindsight…well, L. Q. C. Lamar did it without selling his soul…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:28 pm
A certain general know for guerrilla tactics and his life in perspective vis a vis the rewrite of history to fit the pc crowd…similarly moderated before…
Dusty
November 25th, 2009
3:30 pm
josef,
Bookman is on vacation. I think he left the automatic moderator on and doesn’t care if it chews up the whole blog. So we still get the moderator with an “attitude” getting its quota for the day.
Gale
November 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
Rewriting history for the sake of current political views is responsible for the confusion surrounding a certain religious text. I can see it now, a middle age Greek translator saying, “Oh! We can’t write that! Let’s write this instead. I’m sure it still gets the point across without implying that ______ might have been responsible.” Something like that.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:32 pm
Ah, would the initials be NBF?
I’m not familiar with L. Q. C. Lamar, so I guess I’ve got more reading to do, huh?
Normal
November 25th, 2009
3:33 pm
Josef, as a military mind and what I see as a realist, Longstreet was Lee’s best and should have been listened to. I know Lee had the utmost faith in his troops and thought that they were unbeatable, but If the south had adopted Longstreets strategy and fought a purely defensive war ala WWI, the North would, in my military mind, lost heart and sued for peace. The south also ran up against a new weapon at Gettysburg. The Spencer repeater carbine. The Calvary unit they ran up against had them. Longstreet might have been many things, but to me, he was one helluva strategist.
———
But, UPS is here…Ok, I’m back and signing off. gotta go lock up
the building. I’ll check back in the AM for my usual bark at the Gov’ment. G’night, y’all…
Gale
November 25th, 2009
3:34 pm
Good Lord! Does anyone else see the Creatine ad with photos on the side? They make The Hulk look normal.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:40 pm
Gale
I don’t see the add but I’ve always wondered about the Hulk. He increased dramatically in size, ripping out of his shirt, but his pants still fit. Must have been some sort of stretch fabric I suppose.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
3:43 pm
Hillbilly
That’s the one…
Dusty
Well, as you know, patterns do emerge…Bookman himself today? Oh, good L-rd, no…do you save and analyze your consignments to the blog’s bonfire of the bannities?
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
3:51 pm
Well, I suppose it’s time to be off. I’ve enjoyed the discussion with you folks. The history discussion seem to stay a discussion of facts and opinions without the daily vitriol. I find them so much more interesting than the daily Obama/Bush, bad/good, left/right, Dem/Repub, thing that just seems to me to be the same thing each day. To each their own though.
Gale
November 25th, 2009
3:53 pm
Happy Thanksgiving all. I’ve away too.
Angry Black Man
November 25th, 2009
3:57 pm
josef
I don’t understand the moderation either. People who write history books only portray the negatives of all Southern troops. You never hear about the good things. Longstreet’s thought process would probably have changed the outcome of Gettysburg, but hindsight is 20-20 and I wasn’t there to see how things played out. Having walked and rode through Gettysburg, I wouldn’t have advised Pickett to march his men across that field either.
As far as Post-War Longstreet, I agree w/josef and Hillbilly, although I don’t think he would have been brought up on charges of treason for the same reason that most others were not. I believe once the fighting was done, those involved wanted to put it in the past as soon as possible.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
4:28 pm
ABM–
As someone not afraid to swim against the tide for a better understanding of who we were so as to plot a more rationale course for where we want to go, I think you understand why I find such “moderation,” whatever the source, extremely telling as to what, for lack of a better word, is propagandization, much the same mentality which Goebbels and company used (and no, I’m not calling Jay a nazi, but I will certainly put the AJC in the camp of, if not der Sturmer, at least the Frankfurter Zeitung post 1939). It all reminds me of Buffy Ste. Marie’s “little wheel, spin and spin, big wheel turns around and around, blame the angels, blame the fates, teach your children who to hate…”
If there is anyone in American history who exeplifies learning from the past for a better future, it is the gentleman mentioned. They would be thrown asunder trying to comprehend John F. Harrison’s speech before the Mississippi legislature in 1890. Not one in a hundred have read Justice Harlan’s dissent in Plessy v Ferguson or know the first thing of the man’s life. Yet, these three men understood the concept of honor, dignity and integrity and, yes, swimming against the tide.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
4:38 pm
Greetings from the 32nd floor of the Sheraton on Illinois Street in the home of the raggedy Bears and the failed president of the United States, Obozo, mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
Party time.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
4:44 pm
ABM–
oops, that’s John F. Harris, not Harrison in my 4:28
ALL: The tourists are back…thanks for a fun day…a Happy Turkey Day to one and all (even Jay
) in case I don’t check back in…
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
4:52 pm
Geez josef—Jay’s not here. As RW said the other day, it’s some combination of letters that is tripping the filter. And since you were posting about the same subject, you used the same words. It’s frustrating, because moderation disrupts the ebb and flow of the conversation, but it is unfair to blame Jay.
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
5:21 pm
We all have our little traditions you know.
Biden Pardons Single Yam In Vice Presidential Thanksgiving Ritual
Common Sense
November 25th, 2009
6:13 pm
Maybe Obama should be on “Dancing with the Stars” !
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
7:22 pm
K’chak–
Geez, nothing! I never said this time that it was Jay and it matters very little to me as to who or what is in control. The verdict is in and it’s not just me saying so. I’ve passed this by a wide range of individuals, some who share my perspectives, some who do not. To a one they have seen the same pattern and it is a pattern pertinent to content. I have conscientously posted on a number of separate occasions using the strings of words in other contexts and there was no problem. I am by no means angry this time. It has turned into a fun thing and I am enjoying it. The frustration I might feel at the moment is more than paid back by the “heh-heh” I am getting elsewhere from this.There are other moderations which, while I might object, do not fit into so blatant a pattern and I can accept them. There are others which it is obvious what the problem is and, by and large, I have learned to get around them, the r word one being truly intriguing!
And, no, I don’t exactly “blame” Jay. As you well know, I kinda like him and will stand up for him in a New York minute when I think he’s being attacked unfairly. I appreciate his tolerance of our many different opinions on many different topics and the forum through which to discuss them. I have found him to be a man of wide and deep reading and a gentleman and a scholar.
As for the one today, there was no surprize and I could have pretty much gotten around it, too, but it would have been way too much effort.
So, again, geeze nothing. In the great cosmic scheme of things, it means very little. As an old friend put it, “it’s just another game to play while waiting for Armageddon.”
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
7:36 pm
And, for those of you who haven’t read it, read Jay’s new post. THAT is a man I respect and admire and thank G-d he didn’t allow us to ruin the heartfelt and sincere feelings he shared with us. If you haven’t, read it. If you have, read it again.
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
7:42 pm
josef,
That was a great read and I guess I’m in concurrence that it was good that he closed the comments, but it wouldn’t have killed him to dump an open thread up there while he was in here.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
7:51 pm
Hey RW, good to see you…the tourists have gone out bar hoppin’ and I’ve got the potato salad and the crepes ready…no real work to do and Unmentionable is watching some off the wall movie and it’s a slow night here…
I would have liked a new thread, myself, but, then, we need to make sure he gets mega clicks so’s we have a place to ramble…
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
7:54 pm
It has the feel of him locking us in the basement though. Maybe we’re all really banned from the rest of the site, but exiled here.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
8:05 pm
RW
Oh, no, we’re trapped in a Sartre play!
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
8:08 pm
josef
I sit corrected.
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
8:09 pm
josef,
We could just be hidden in time like Charlie was by Samuel at the Karn Evil, but if that’s the case we may have an exit when Hiro comes to fix the future. Have you seen Chadly around any of these corners?
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
8:12 pm
Oh, no, we’re trapped in a Sartre play!
Just as long as it’s not Beckett’s Waiting for Godot.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
8:13 pm
K’chak–
Hey! Where’s my new shoes?
RW–
No Chadley…I’m worried…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
8:16 pm
K’chak
“Just as long as it’s not Beckett’s Waiting for Godot.”
Don’t I know it! Try as I might and I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen it, I just don’t get it…
Speaking of Chadley, RW, HE may be trapped in “Rhinocerous!”
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
8:28 pm
…I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen it, I just don’t get it…
You sat through it more than once?
I saw it at The Academy Theater in the late 70’s, and vowed NEVER AGAIN!
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
8:29 pm
josef
Maybe if we search around enough we’ll find all the former posters that were blue slipped. We’ll have some really colorful exchanges with a crowd that eschews the people that fancy themselves sane.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:29 pm
Hey, Y’all, Happoy Thanksgiving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GguFmYRryz8&feature=related
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
8:42 pm
K’chak–
I assure you it wasn’t by choice! Used to be an arts and entertainment editor and never could get anybody else to go, so I had to!
RW–wonder if Jay keeps a list? Tell me, what IS it about Mike that puts Jay’s panties in such a wad? I mean he’s by no means the most, well, I guess the word would be “objectionable,” but he just seems to put our otherwise unflappable host into a true dither…
Normal–hey! Thanks for pulling it up, the link that is, I’ll be starting my day tomorrow with it!
Normal
November 25th, 2009
8:43 pm
Happoy? Hell, you know what I mean…
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
8:49 pm
josef
The only way that Godot could be any more vacuous would be if Keanau Reeves and Alex Winter did it as a Bill and Ted, Waiting for Godot.
Common Sense
November 25th, 2009
8:51 pm
Following is the Thanksgiving message from President Obama:
Feel free to read it and then tell me “Who” we are supposed to thank? Not one mention of God ………. truly sad.
“Tomorrow, Thanksgiving Day, Americans across the country will sit down together, count our blessings, and give thanks for our families and our loved ones.
American families reflect the diversity of this great nation. No two are exactly alike, but there is a common thread they each share.
Our families are bound together through times of joy and times of grief. They shape us, support us, instill the values that guide us as individuals, and make possible all that we achieve.
So tomorrow, I’ll be giving thanks for my family — for all the wisdom, support, and love they have brought into my life.
But tomorrow is also a day to remember those who cannot sit down to break bread with those they love.
The soldier overseas holding down a lonely post and missing his kids. The sailor who left her home to serve a higher calling. The folks who must spend tomorrow apart from their families to work a second job, so they can keep food on the table or send a child to school.
We are grateful beyond words for the service and hard work of so many Americans who make our country great through their sacrifice. And this year, we know that far too many face a daily struggle that puts the comfort and security we all deserve painfully out of reach.
So when we gather tomorrow, let us also use the occasion to renew our commitment to building a more peaceful and prosperous future that every American family can enjoy.
It seems like a lifetime ago that a crowd met on a frigid February morning in Springfield, Illinois to set out on an improbable course to change our nation.
In the years since, Michelle and I have been blessed with the support and friendship of the millions of Americans who have come together to form this ongoing movement for change.
You have been there through victories and setbacks. You have given of yourselves beyond measure. You have enabled all that we have accomplished — and you have had the courage to dream yet bigger dreams for what we can still achieve.
So in this season of thanks giving, I want to take a moment to express my gratitude to you, and my anticipation of the brighter future we are creating together.
With warmest wishes for a happy holiday season from my family to yours,
President Barack Obama”
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
8:52 pm
Normal–
Hap? Oy!
K’chak–
Now that’s a production I might go see…back when I was doing that job, we held a contest for the ten worst plays (among the staff) and Waiting for Godot came out on top, Our Town came in second!
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
8:53 pm
josef,
The easy answer is that’s a question better suited to ask Jay B, but I don’t think you’d get an honest assessment because I don’t believe he notices it. Two things I’ve noticed that Jay hates are being told he’s deliberately misrepresenting things, something he and I have had plenty of run ins over, and also being labeled an extremist. Mike hits Jay on both those points
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
8:57 pm
common sense–
What ‘cha mean no mention of G-d. He used the first person pronoun a lot!
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
9:01 pm
It seems like a lifetime ago that a crowd met on a frigid February morning in Springfield, Illinois to set out on an improbable course to
changedestroy our nation.Fixed his typo as the moonbats are fond of doing.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
9:05 pm
RW–
Oohh…you’ve got issues!
Common Sense
November 25th, 2009
9:20 pm
josef:
Good one …………….. but :
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord”.
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:22 pm
Here y’all…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJYqukkbhC0&feature=related
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:24 pm
This is fun…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBt6IhjAvyw&feature=fvw
Common Sense
November 25th, 2009
9:26 pm
HEADLINE: “Are Vampires Real? The Science Behind the Myth ……..”
Of course they are and they’re called Democrats and they will suck the tax blood right out of you !!
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
9:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yhpDzsz2ps
Normal
November 25th, 2009
9:28 pm
Josef, I’m a bad boy…
http://undercoverblackman.vox.com/library/audio/6a00cd970f81104cd50109d0ee7374000f.html
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
9:31 pm
Was it my 8:53 or my 9:01 that triggered that 9:05?
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
9:46 pm
RW–the 9:01…
Norm–no video, just audio,,,having a good time, aren’t ya!
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
9:47 pm
common sense
“Of course they are and they’re called Democrats and they will suck the tax blood right out of you !!”
Good one!
K’chak–good link
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
9:57 pm
I’m thankful for little Japanese tourist ladies that annually migrate to the capitalist mecca that is Michigan Avenue, Chicago, Illinois and who can hardly speak a lick of English and are just dazed by the spectacle of it all.
If I didn’t have to head out to go pheasant hunting at 5 o’clock in the morning, and the wife wasn’t tagging along, I would have most certainly have picked off one or two of these most awesome creatures.
Dats alright, I can live with just seeing the sparkle of wonder in their eyes as they look upon the most blessed country on Earth, which is a sparkle that I never get to see from a lot of people that are lucky enough to live here everyday.
And have come to hate the place, for whatever odd reasons.
But aren’t you libs glad to see sales of the capitalist pigs picking up?
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
Bird hunting at 10 PM and bird hunting at 5 AM..
Obama was doing that today too when he said he created or saved 4 turkeys by pardoning that one. The funny thing is he might finally be underestimating a number if Courage is still able to procreate.
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
10:02 pm
josef
Here’s another solo piano piece in the same vein.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:03 pm
Hey Whiner–glad to hear from ya, was getting worried! We may not always agree on much, but, like you, I love my country and feel blessed to have been born and raised here…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:14 pm
K’chak–thanks! I love a good piano piece…wish I could play…
RW–all this turkey pardoning smacks of nepotism to me!
Dusty
November 25th, 2009
10:24 pm
Well, good evening,.. I am just back from our Thanksgiving Serivce and it was a good one. Our pastor has a degree in history besides his Doctor of Divinity. so he throws in a lot of history. I am not good at reviews but he quoted early documents , one written by George Washington , about the country being founded upon God based principles. Americans had always drawn together in that feeling, if divided by other things. Now he feels that is lost and the bond between Americans is also lost . He reiterates that we have so much for which we can be thankful . So much, indeed.
I have hope there is enough “bond” left to keep up hanging together. But some days, I ,too, wonder.
But… I promise to be more cheerful! But wait a minute..
Bookman is no sweetheart. Sorry but I had runins with Mr. Bookman long before this blog started. I am accustomed to his twists and turns. Even this year he has asked me why I hate America. That was because I disagreed with him. He has mellowed a bit but I think he saw the tide turning at AJC and did a little turning himself. but nevermind. He wrote a nice little piece about his children and family. That scores a few points for him.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
yosef- You’d love it up here, they have a tax for everything. If it moves they tax it, if it doesn’t move they tax it and if it is dead they find it’s nearest surviving relative and tax them for it have the audacity to die before they could levy against it.
I’ll bet you I get taxed for this comment.
And to think, they hate capitalism……
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:26 pm
josef,
Or at least of professional ethics.
Kamchak
November 25th, 2009
10:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CC4_Itijhs
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:41 pm
HEY DUSTY!!!!
Must have been a good sermon, you’re actually sayin sumpin nice about our host…I’m tryin’ to be nice at least through tomorrow…
Whiner–that’s a good one! Glad to know you’re having a good time…despite yourself!
Down in my home territory if it moves, we eat it, if it doesn’t move we eat it and if it’s dead we eat it!
RW–correction, that’s professional ethNics!
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
10:44 pm
josef,
Professional ethNics are Jesse and Al, but with all the celebration of that fable that Darwin wrote celebrating an anniversary of sorts maybe he had something right. Turkeys, when they get past Thanksgiving, evolve into politicians.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
10:48 pm
RW–Evolve into politicians? Oh, you optimist, you! I don’t believe in evolution in this case! Turkeys they art and turkeys they shalt remain!
K’chak–suave!
Dusty
November 25th, 2009
10:58 pm
No, josef, it wasn’t the sermon. I was trying to remember my “manners”. You know.. If you can’t say something good about somebody, then don’t say anything. That rule was made before blogging started. You still manage to do it. I bet you even open doors for ladies. Still say… Thank you, mam! and you never put your elbows on the table.!!
There! I have failed Miss Manners again while you have given her hope. Could it be, SIR, that you are a gentleman of culture and refinement?. “Fess up, josef!!
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
11:03 pm
One of the best all time covers
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:04 pm
Dusty–
On Jay…It may just be the merlot talking and I’ll probably live to regret it, but I have a certain soft spot in my heart for him. He reminds me of the kid who always wanted to hang with the cool kids but always felt a little insecure and he overcompensated, not exactly a suck-up, but scared to say exactly what he felt and thought. He’s the kind that gay men feel like they have to protect when what they really want to do is slap the sh*t out of his silly self…straight women are just plumb mean to him
The DO slap his silly self and, well…
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:11 pm
Dusty–
Well, I WAS brought up to be a Southern gentleman of culture and breeding! Yes, I do hold doors for ladies, the elderly, those infirm, children, people with packages and, yes, I do say ma’am and sir, thank you kindly, if you don’t mind and would you please. I also swing a mean blade and baseball bat. I can quote the classics and the Bible from memory and I love a good bawdy story. I love life in all it’s glory. That’s why I feel protective toward Jay…he’s feels. I think, obligated to be all of one and none of the other…otherwise he’s not “acceptable…”
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:18 pm
RW @ 11:03 THAT was just plumb wicked! G-d! I loved it! “Nothing matters, but moi!” Thanks a million!
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:27 pm
Thanksgiving dinner at David Lynch’s house:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBpd5xy-vCY
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
11:29 pm
Turkeys, when they get past Thanksgiving, evolve into politicians.
How could anything evolve into the lowest life form?
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:31 pm
“How could anything evolve into the lowest life form?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omRkH_Rp_34
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:32 pm
HEY Bruno–already got you one for Friday!
Hillibilly–are you SURE it’s a life form?
RW-(the original)
November 25th, 2009
11:32 pm
Hillbilly D,
Feel free to change it to devolve if you want. I’ve got no quibble with your position on this one.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
11:38 pm
are you SURE it’s a life form
I’m afraid so; in the same way a toxic fungus is a life form.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:41 pm
Here’s one for you, Hillbilly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGOfTJTYkWs
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:44 pm
Hillbilly–
Well they DO reproduce…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
11:47 pm
Bruno
Saw him play that at the Southeastern Fairgrounds (where the Lakewood Amphitheatre is now) about the time that song was out.
Josef
Yes, they do reproduce but not always with their spouse.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:50 pm
“Well they DO reproduce…”
Reminds me of a classic line from the show “Taxi”. Upon finding out that Jim Ignatowski (Christopher Lloyd) had a father, Louie (Danny Devito) deadpanned “Well there goes my spore theory”.
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:52 pm
“Saw him play that at the Southeastern Fairgrounds (where the Lakewood Amphitheatre is now) about the time that song was out.”
That was a time and a day ago, I’m sure. I’ve heard that there used to be a dirt track for auto racing there as well at one point.
Dusty
November 25th, 2009
11:55 pm
JOSEF
Well, that is a nice, fairly gentle view of Bookman. (Who am I to disagree with gentlman josef who can swing a mean blade and a basball bat!!)
I assume that newspaper editors can have ethics just like anybody else . From what I have heard we once had some in Atlanta who took the high road in journalism, not always the path they thought was popular.
Somewhere along the way, the AJC lost any resemblence to an honest, straight forward newspaper to its detriment., Most editors seemed biased. The readers knew it and did not like it. Changes were made but it is a hard time for newspapers. They are losing their popularity but I hope they don’t lose all their ethics. That is the worst loss of all.
Good night. Getting late. Have a fine day tomorrow. I am looking forward to a happy time with my big family. Makes a perfect Thanksgiving.
josef nix
November 25th, 2009
11:56 pm
RW–
Before I forget, your 8:53, I think you’ve nailed it.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 25th, 2009
11:58 pm
I’ve heard that there used to be a dirt track for auto racing there as well at one point.
Yes, it was a one mile dirt track. They ran there in the 40’s and 50’s. A few races were run there in the 60’s as well. They even ran some Indy car races there, I think. And the roller coaster there at the Fairgrounds was blown up at the end of Smokey and the Bandit II. I’ve still never had a roller coaster ride quite like riding that one.
If you like real country music, you’ll like this. If you appreciate a strong voice, you’ll appreciate the ending. I’ve seen him live and he still hits this note, everytime. I’ve seen ‘em all, Haggard, Jones, Conway, Vern Gosdin, and Gene Watson is as good as any of them live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9RyFXmwww
Bruno
November 25th, 2009
11:59 pm
“Cliffs, and a military band, blew an air of normality”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6HQ04YFya0
josef nix
November 26th, 2009
12:02 am
Bruno–
“Taxi!” What a show! What a cast!
Dusty–
Well, I try! Have a happy one…regards to your loved ones…enjoy and come back with some good tales!
Dusty
November 26th, 2009
12:04 am
RW,
Funny video. But the Viking Kitties will always be at the top of my favorites..
Good night and happy day tomorrow.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 26th, 2009
12:05 am
Bruno
Most all progressive rock music has roots in “The Court of the Crimson Kings”, I think.
I leave this for y’all. It’s from a little known movie of the 80’s called “Local Hero”. Happy Thanksgiving to all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ16mye0QOU
RW-(the original)
November 26th, 2009
12:07 am
Dusty,
I agree with you. The problem is finding a Viking Kittie link that can be passed along. Does this one work?
AmVet
November 26th, 2009
12:11 am
Evening JB fans,
Just got back from one helluva mitzvah! But a friend in need…
Time to crank it up a tad.
From the bad boys from Boston…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGNiCuHd_A&feature=PlayList&p=F81E6B20AD3DA670&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=17
josef nix
November 26th, 2009
12:15 am
RW–okay, we’re getting close to 700!
AmVET–good to see ya! Glad to know you’re being a good Jew….
josef nix
November 26th, 2009
12:17 am
RW–
i’m with Dusty on the Viking kitties!
RW-(the original)
November 26th, 2009
12:19 am
Well josef, then I axe ya. Did the 12:07 work?
josef nix
November 26th, 2009
12:21 am
RW–it did! Enjoyed it again!
josef nix
November 26th, 2009
12:22 am
Okay, RW, nailed it! I can go to bed in peace knowing I’ve done my job and have been cute and sweet like I’m ’sposed to be!
Bruno
November 26th, 2009
12:23 am
“Time to crank it up a tad.”
I hear you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRhRkKMoMC8&feature=related
RW-(the original)
November 26th, 2009
12:26 am
Goodnight josef and good job.
AmVet
November 26th, 2009
12:38 am
Nice Neil “deep cut” B! GREAT guitar work! Is that recorded with Crazy Horse?
Arguably the greatest Irish axeman ever…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKaiHamPT54
Bruno
November 26th, 2009
12:38 am
“Castles made of sand melt in the sea, eventually…..”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4-r2MpRMs
Bruno
November 26th, 2009
12:43 am
“Nice Neil “deep cut” B! GREAT guitar work! Is that recorded with Crazy Horse?”
It sounds a lot like the International Harvesters, whom he played with in 1984-85. I’m not sure if they had a studio release, but some of their videos still remain on youtube.
Enjoying the RG.
AmVet
November 26th, 2009
12:51 am
B, some of Jimi’s sweetest stuff ever recorded IMHO was his mellow stuff, like Castles….
This one from Cry of Love is also fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POcNy07L1zs
Bruno
November 26th, 2009
12:56 am
“B, some of Jimi’s sweetest stuff ever recorded IMHO was his mellow stuff”
I had an 8-track of jazzy instrumentals that was great also. It was titled “Midnight Lightning” or something like that.
“This one from Cry of Love is also fine.”
Beautiful.
AmVet
November 26th, 2009
12:57 am
OK, my friend, time to turn in…
Hands down, the greatest band ever.
Harrison, McCartney and Lennon all played lead guitar on this one…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI38vPDCoao&feature=related
Peace out…
Bruno
November 26th, 2009
1:00 am
Another Jimi favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf-Mtd2A1DI
Bruno
November 26th, 2009
1:06 am
“Peace out…”
I guess it’s about that time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1tfUaBezFo
Later, dude.
Normal
November 26th, 2009
7:37 am
MR.PRESIDENT, TODAY ON THANKSGIVING, PLEASE SAY YOU WILL BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW! PLEASE SIR!
Rightwing Troll
November 26th, 2009
7:59 am
Happy Thanksgiving to all you master debaters out there!!!
I kid…I kid…
Truly… Happy Thanksgiving to ALL of you.
We can back to our reindeer games tomorrow.
JB, thanks for having us here as always, even if we don’t deserve the hospitality (guilty!), and congrats to the bro.
Normal
November 26th, 2009
8:15 am
I too, wish that everyone here…yes, you too Whinder
, have a wonderful day with family, good friends and good food and drink. Let this be a day of happiness.