We can’t keep going on like this….
Sooner or later, the piper demands to be paid:
With the national debt now topping $12 trillion, the White House estimates that the government’s tab for servicing the debt will exceed $700 billion a year in 2019, up from $202 billion this year, even if annual budget deficits shrink drastically. Other forecasters say the figure could be much higher.
In concrete terms, an additional $500 billion a year in interest expense would total more than the combined federal budgets this year for education, energy, homeland security and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The potential for rapidly escalating interest payouts is just one of the wrenching challenges facing the United States after decades of living beyond its means.
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Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
7:48 pm
DebbieDoRight
I don’t know much about the Ford plant in Hapeville, but I was in the Doraville assembly plant about once a week for the last two years it was in operation. The problems were a direct result of an incompetent work force and the lack of automation. GM was willing to leave the plant open if it could produce an upswing in quality, but the union would not allow the automation that would have improved that quality.
I simply won’t be convinced that workers, doing repetitive jobs, day after day, week after week and year after year are going to compete with state of the art assembly robots. Your article doesn’t address the automation issue, and I would not it expect it to address those problems.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
7:49 pm
Hillbilly:
I’m not denying that in their heyday, the unions were critical for workers’ protection.
Don’t forget, my husband’s Mom and Dad were lint heads. She continued to work and he quit to open up a local pool hall — best decision he ever made.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
7:50 pm
AmVet
No. Here’s a question: Do you support the Democratic Party?
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMS2uMUQNnQ&feature=related
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
7:54 pm
“Like so many libs, here, you’re like a little pee-shooter. I’ll take the honesty of Andy’s shotgun any day of the week.”
Hopefully, @@, you’ll realize one day that folks like “Andy” do far more harm to the conservative movement than any liberal could ever do in their wildest dreams.
And once again, here’s my list of ways that conservatives can win back an alienated populace:
(1) Return to true conservative values such as limited government, fiscal responsibility, individual freedom/responsibility.
(2) Stay out of people’s personal lives. Accept that abortion is here to stay regardless of your personal feelings about it.
(3) Distance the party from religious extremists. It’s not worth alienating the middle to appeal to the far right. And that doesn’t mean compromising conservative principles. Strict “constructionists” respect the non-establishment clause.
(4) Return to a more limited foreign policy. Following 9/11, some type of military response was required, but 2 long dragged-out wars cannot be considered a successful outcome, IMO. I do see benefits in knocking Saddam out of power, but it came at a huge price. I am of the mindset that radical Islam must be dealt with from the outside because the Muslim world doesn’t have the political will to do it from within.
DebbieDoRight
November 23rd, 2009
7:55 pm
@@ what are lint heads? You’re not disrespecting your folks are you ? That would not be right, ESPECIALLY on a blog. They raised you and did a good job. You’re not a druggie or a h@@ker or a abusive person, so please show them the respect they deserve.
DebbieDoRight
November 23rd, 2009
7:56 pm
Ooops sorry. You were talking about IN-LAWS, oh well then……..carry on.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
7:59 pm
Rightwing Troll
**I would still trade those union guys for the white trash you find down here working.**
I’ve also hired people from both areas and i have much better results hiring people from the South. They are less likely to be drunks and abusive to their fellow workers. They are willing to be more reasonable when they are new employees and appear to be much more loyal.
You just need to be smarter about who you hire.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
7:59 pm
DDR:
Lint heads are what they called themselves. My husband was one in high school. That’s what he tells everybody….”I was a lint head.”
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:00 pm
DebbieDoRight
Lintheads are people who work in textile miles. A lot of my family called themselves that, also.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
8:01 pm
DDR:
I thought my in-laws were GREAT! Loved ‘em to death. There was nothing I wouldn’t do for them.
DebbieDoRight
November 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm
Oh o.k. — thanks for letting me know!! I was defending @@’s relatives when they didn’t even need to be defended! My bad.
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November 23rd, 2009
8:03 pm
Needing a crew to install an Espresso machine is nothing to pontificate on, just sayin…..
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:05 pm
DDR, @@
Lots of health problems for those people, and particularly hearing problems.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
8:08 pm
Bruno:
Honesty carries a lot of weight with me. Why don’t you let me decide whose honesty I’ll accept when it comes to bloggers?
Paul
November 23rd, 2009
8:08 pm
Report/Whine
Still enjoying the Technivorm? I toss an early morning toast to ya’ every now and then -
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November 23rd, 2009
8:09 pm
Bruno- When you have to beg and grovel to get people to believe you are a Conservative, well, you know what I mean.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:11 pm
I Report
**Needing a crew to install an Espresso machine is nothing to pontificate on, just sayin…..**
I think a lot of people come down from the north thinking that they are going to hire people for nothing. They can find those people, but good people need to be well paid. If I hire someone and they don’t perform and spend time on their cell phone, I find that out during the first week and they are gone. But to be honest, we did a pretty good background employment check before we hired them, that is, when we were still hiring people.
stands for decibels
November 23rd, 2009
8:12 pm
Why tax only spending? Is there something about spending that makes it more a taxable activity than receiving income? Is it sinful to spend or somehow more virtuous to save? What is wrong with taxing income?
Because Neal Boortz’ salary is in the seven figures and he’d save a ton of dough;
no;
no and not necessarily;
and nothing, especially.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
8:14 pm
NIF, I publicly denounced the Democratic Party over 12 years ago.
I have been stridently anti-Republican since I was 17 years old.
In the past five presidential elections I have voted for one Democrat and zero Republicans.
I am not an R&D Party patsy.
But of much more import is your insistence for speaking for me and implicating me as a Klanner.
It will not be tolerated again.
Bruno, U da man.
The old and new…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh4n1bZi4d8&feature=player_embedded#
BTW, TR is making an EP(?) of Robert Johnson covers.
Should be weirdly exciting…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd60nI4sa9A
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November 23rd, 2009
8:15 pm
Paul- You know it. It’s my little cup o heaven to start the day. That thing has converted several of the plunger crowd, they thought they had it going on until they took a sample of the real deal.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:20 pm
AmVet
Thanks for clearing that up. I apologize, no, let me say that another way, I profoundly apologize. I wouldn’t want to be associated with them either.
But between the two, I think the Republicans are what you see. Republicans generally do what they say they will do (which really drives liberals crazy) and Democrats NEVER do what they say. Democrats are also very scary in so many ways. As I have said many times: if you know anything about fascism in history, you will see so many parallels on the side of the Democrats. Just the fact that they control the masses through the media says enough for me to never trust them.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
8:21 pm
I publicly denounced the Democratic Party over 12 years ago.
PUBLICLY, AmVet? What….were you like, up on stage with a microphone an’ everthin?
Is there a You-Tube video we could look at.
My, oh my….you must’ve been an important man to require that your announcement be made PUBLICLY!!!
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November 23rd, 2009
8:22 pm
NIF- Alot of people don’t understand that concept. They think they are getting a good deal by paying some illegal dirt wages to perform craftsman work. Wages that no craftsman would even consider accepting. And all they wind up getting for their low wage bargain is some butcher that is bound to injure himself or his coworkers.
Paul
November 23rd, 2009
8:24 pm
pleasant evening, all -
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
8:25 pm
“Honesty carries a lot of weight with me. Why don’t you let me decide whose honesty I’ll accept when it comes to bloggers?”
I’m not doubting Reporter’s honesty. Just wondering what about the “shotgun” approach that you find so appealing.
In case you didn’t notice, the Republican Party has gotten a rep lately of being racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and religiously intolerant. And we got our butt kicked badly in the last election. Don’t know about you, but I’d like to win some of those seats back.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:25 pm
@@
*What….were you like, up on stage with a microphone an’ everthin?**
A blog would be a public announcement. He’s not Bono (as far as I know).
But it is amazing how many people now claim to be against both parties. I believe AmVet. We almost always disagree, but he speaks his mind and I respect that.
Clommon Sense
November 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm
Jackie:
Where have you been? Missed you ……………..
I was a member of the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen once (as a brakeman) ……… at “best” a necessary evil. Let’s all sing together now ………………
“Everyone stand up and holler for the union
let’s give the brotherhood a cheer,
Everyone stand up and holler for the union
We ain’t hit a lick all year”
Oh, by the way …………….
“We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?”
Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the the Joint Chiefs of Staff
during the assault on Grenada, 1983
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
8:30 pm
NIF, thanks for that gracious response.
It is my considerable experience that blind hatred knows no political affiliation, land or gender. Liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, white, black, rich, poor. No one has a monopoly on it.
And as I’ve said before I’ve fought my own demons over race, and as is true with all other forms of social injustice it is a constant battle not to let the dark side (of me) win…
Some of the greatest harmony ever recorded…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVHKSTJgOzE
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:31 pm
I Report
i loved working up north. The garbage they are fed about Southerners always worked to my advantage. And the women loved my accent and my “Southern Gentleman” way of treating them. I took it to the limit and used even the old, old traditional manners toward women.
But in the workplace, it was always an advantage to be underestimated and when I hung out in bars, my abilities to defend myself always shocked them. They rarely want to fight unless they are falling down drunk and I would do anything to avoid a fight if I was drunk.
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November 23rd, 2009
8:33 pm
@@- Maybe we missed something in 2008, I coulda swore we ran the biggest squish moderate that has ever lived, a guy that passed a law against free speech, was for illegal immigration, big government, etc, and he got barely beat by a total clown.
Now we need to aisle reach some more?
Bwahahahahahahahaha.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:34 pm
AmVet
Thanks for the tune, but this computer lost audio this afternoon and my IT guy won’t be by until tomorrow. It’s a MAC and it’s almost new, so who knows what’s wrong.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
8:38 pm
Bruno:
I’m not one who goes for the mealy-mouthed approach. Where I work, it’s all women…except for our speech therapist who’s a guy. We have staff meetings where everyone has input regarding this problem (usually one child) or that problem (usually another child). Everyone (teachers) put in their two cents worth.
When all is said and done, the Director, myself, and the speech therapist usually sit down…take all that we’ve heard…then set out to observe the teachers in action. ‘Ya know wherein the problem usually lies? The teachers.
Now granted, I’m not the director or the speech therapist, but my opinion is highly valued by both. I’m not so eager to blame the kids. We’re there to serve the kids…it’s not the other way around.
I have no idea why I just shared that story. It just seemed an appropriate response.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:40 pm
Bruno
**as gotten a rep lately of being racist, homophobic, xenophobic, and religiously intolerant.**
That’s what happens when the other party controls the media. Every historic parallel required that the most racist and intolerant groups used every means at their disposal to accuse the opposition of their worst sins.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
8:41 pm
NIF:
I don’t believe anything that comes off AmVet’s fingers. His unsightly fingerprints have been all over these blogs for years. He’s a tyrant!
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November 23rd, 2009
8:42 pm
The way the dummiecrats are shredding their own party, Republicans don’t need to do ineething except stand aside and let them cut their own throats.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
I figured Common Sense was the return of The Corporal and now I know.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:43 pm
Guys
I just received an OTC (offer to cuddle), a glass of Johnny Walker Blue and a movie that I haven’t seen. I hope we don’t get through the movie.
Everybody have a great night.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
8:44 pm
“I coulda swore we ran the biggest squish moderate that has ever lived, a guy that passed a law against free speech, was for illegal immigration, big government, etc”
And where exactly was the viable conservative candidate who articulated the conservative message so well that he put Obama back where he belongs being a community organizer?
In case you didn’t notice, a whole bunch of House and Senate seats were lost as well. Were all of the losers in those races “squish candidates” as well?
DebbieDoRight
November 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
NIF: But between the two, I think the Republicans are what you see. Republicans generally do what they say they will do
WTF!!
Have you read the republican “Contract W/America” lately? Did ANY of that happen? Any of it? At any time? Just asking….
To refresh your memory –
REPUBLICAN CONTRACT WITH AMERICA 1994
As Republican Members of the House of Representatives and as citizens seeking to join that body we propose not just to change its policies, but even more important, to restore the bonds of trust between the people and their elected representatives.
That is why, in this era of official evasion and posturing, we offer instead a detailed agenda for national renewal, a written commitment with no fine print.
This year’s election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public’s money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.
Like Lincoln, our first Republican president, we intend to act “with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right.” To restore accountability to Congress. To end its cycle of scandal and disgrace. To make us all proud again of the way free people govern themselves.
On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:
* FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;
* SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
* THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
* FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;
* FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
* SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;
* SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
* EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.
getalife
November 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
beck and rush called one of my Senators a pros-t-itute.
No not vitter.
He is the one that ♥ them.
I knew there was “something about Mary” I liked.
Did sanford break the record on ethic violations?
Scout
November 23rd, 2009
8:47 pm
To HillBilly Deluxe:
Be careful …………. that handle says “Clommon Sense”.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
8:48 pm
HEY! I thought Apple’s never broke down!
Seriously, sorry to hear about it, but none of us are immune from the wrath of the technology gods.
“i loved working up north. The garbage they are fed about Southerners…”
Me too. When I firrst moved here I was struck at how blacks and whites did simple things like ride in work trucks together, etc.
Now that I write it, it almost doesn’t even sound true or right. But it was.
I found the northern cities much more segregated. The ethnic histories (and associated fights) there were sometimes VERY pronounced.
And lets face it, as a society we’ve moved a long way form those not distant times. I, and most of us here, I suppose could make a long list of ethnic slurs! Just thinking of a few makes me laugh! (Crass and politically incorrect, I know.)
It was a sweet little ditty from Neil Young’s Zuma (with CSN) doing the harmony…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 23rd, 2009
8:48 pm
Did Sanford break the record on ethic violations?
Probably not and if he did the record won’t stand long.
Scout
November 23rd, 2009
8:50 pm
Hummm …………… this is interesting. Michael Jackson must be spinning in his grave ……………
“Do Dems See a Lighter Version of Obama Than Conservatives?”
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Politics/perception-race-political-views-influence-skin-tone/story?id=9154170
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November 23rd, 2009
8:51 pm
Bruno- You speak for the baby killers, that’s great, have you ever viewed an ultrasound video of a late term abortion?
You want to?
Put your money where your mealy mouth is.
getalife
November 23rd, 2009
8:57 pm
Nah Andy but do you have that SNL clip on Palin 2012?
getalife
November 23rd, 2009
8:58 pm
Or the Carrie tapes?
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
8:59 pm
“I’m not one who goes for the mealy-mouthed approach.”
A simple, direct message is best, but you can’t overlook packaging either. Reagan mastered it, Bush flubbed it.
“The way the dummiecrats are shredding their own party, Republicans don’t need to do ineething except stand aside and let them cut their own throats.”
That may be, but we’re suffering a lot in the meantime. I don’t want that to happen again, there’s too much at stake.
Are there any of my recommendations for improving the party that you disagree with? You think we should push the abortion issue a little harder? Maybe try to put prayer back in public school?
@@
November 23rd, 2009
9:07 pm
Bruno:
I can understand where you may have missed my point. The mealy-mouthed approach coming from the teachers was self serving…of no use. It, in no way, served the interest of our students.
It was simply a cover-up for their inadequacies.
Again with this analogy? I must be getting tired.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:08 pm
“Bruno- You speak for the baby killers, that’s great, have you ever viewed an ultrasound video of a late term abortion? You want to? Put your money where your mealy mouth is.”
Alright, making some progress now.
I’m personally against abortion. I know that biologically, morally, ethically, life begins at conception. Period. Do I think simply making the procedure illegal will solve the problem once and for all? No more so than I think making recreational drugs illegal ever solved that problem once and for all. You might think it’s worth the effort to lose elections over this issue, I don’t.
Any other areas of concern?
Jackie
November 23rd, 2009
9:09 pm
@NIF
Seems your truism about not buying a car made on Monday or Friday is anecdotal.
All parts on cars are made to specifications to handle their functions and loads. All nuts and bolts are torqued to specific ft/lbs, based on engineered specifications.
Union workers put the parts together with the tools and equipmnt there are given.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:11 pm
“I can understand where you may have missed my point.”
I got your point, @@, just trying to understand how it relates to my specific political positions. Are you specifically talking about abortion, or do you have other concerns?
@@
November 23rd, 2009
9:12 pm
I now realize why I like Andy so much. It’s women and children he seeks to protect.
And unlike you, Bruno….he won’t give up on them in the interest of party.
I feel better now.
I’m outta here.
Jackie
November 23rd, 2009
9:14 pm
@Common Sense
Don’t understand what you are trying to say.
Could you be more specific. I understand your indicating you were a member of a union at some point in time, but, the rest is not clear as to your intent.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
9:15 pm
Bruno:
I got your point, @@, just trying to understand how it relates to my specific political positions.
You’re mealy-mouthed! Is that plain enough for you?
Now, I’m out and feeling even better.
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November 23rd, 2009
9:15 pm
What’s the matter Bruno, don’t you have the courage of your conviction?
Do you even know what you speak of?
Google it, man, “late term abortion ultrasound,” watch that baby scream when no one can hear it.
You da man, be a real moderate for us.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:20 pm
“I now realize why I like Andy so much. It’s women and children he seeks to protect. And unlike you, Bruno….he won’t give up on them in the interest of party.”
Ya know, @@, you and Andy could have saved a lot of typing if you had told me what your issue is. Abortion is non-negotiable in your book. And because I don’t think making it illegal is the best way to reduce its occurrence, that makes me a hypocrite, one of those “other” people, not one of “your” people.
Why didn’t you tell me sooner?
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:23 pm
“Do you even know what you speak of? Google it, man, “late term abortion ultrasound,” watch that baby scream when no one can hear it.”
Don’t need to, Reporter, and don’t support the procedure.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:26 pm
“You’re mealy-mouthed! Is that plain enough for you?”
LOL. I’ll look into plain-speaking lessons from your guy, Andy. I’m sure it will take me far in the business world.
Jackie
November 23rd, 2009
9:27 pm
@AmVet
Many people don’t realize that one of the most segregated cities in the USA, was and still is, Washington, DC.
You hear the politicians talk about the level of education, the money being put into the schools, housing, government jobs, and on and on and on…
Just for information. Elgin Baylor, NBA hall of fame and a native of Washington, DC tells the story of how he was a big time baseball player, yet, was chased away from the playgrounds in NW DC because he tried to play baseball.
If you have ever spent any amount of time in the District, you will understand that all education is funded by the Congress of the USA. The citizens of DC do not have a representative that has voting power. The physical public schools of DC are so bad, 3 out of the 8 were condemned. There is a public/private Catholic school system in the District where black kids could not attend until the late 60’s. Often times black kids were denied the right to ride the city bus.
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November 23rd, 2009
9:30 pm
(3) Distance the party from religious extremists. It’s not worth alienating the middle to appeal to the far right. And that doesn’t mean compromising conservative principles. Strict “constructionists” respect the non-establishment clause.
(-:
People that believe in God, the Creator of this Earth and all that inhabits it, are “extremists?”
That’s like what, most of us?
This country is 75% Christian, 3 quarters of the people profess a belief in a Savior that died for our sins, and we are extremists?
What sort of insane gibberish is this you speak?
Who’s alienating who?
samuel
November 23rd, 2009
9:31 pm
The national debt was stable from WWII until the early 1980’s, when Ronald Reagan’s tax cuts, coupled with increased spending, not only exploded the budget deficit, they exploded the national debt. The national debt quadrupled, from $900 billion in 1980, to $3.2 trillion in 1990. From 1980 to 1990, the national debt increased from 33.3% to 55.9% of GDP. The national debt as a percentage of GDP stabilized in the 1990’s, but went up again in this decade, to 90.4% of GDP, started in large part by the two Bush tax cuts. What I’m saying to conservatives is that tax cuts increase both the budget deficit and the national debt if they’re not coupled with spending cuts. Neither your hero Reagan or either of the Bush’s did that.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:35 pm
“Bruno, U da man.”
AmVet–Sorry to miss your earlier shout. I was just trying to get to the root of what was bugging RW, @@, and Reporter. For being such “straight talkers”, it took me until tonight to find out what their issue is.
Appreciated the Neil Young. He always tells it straight.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:38 pm
“This country is 75% Christian, 3 quarters of the people profess a belief in a Savior that died for our sins, and we are extremists?”
More progress….
I don’t give a rat’s ass what percentage of people believe in what. Is that straight enough for you?
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:44 pm
Out of curiosity, Reporter, since we’re getting our cards out on the table, do you believe in a “literal” translation of the Bible?
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November 23rd, 2009
9:50 pm
Oh wow, Bruno does have some firm, uncompromisable beliefs, well, aren’t I surprised.
Let me guess, when you were itlle bitty Bruno, some Catholic Nun wrapped you across the knuckles, hahahaha.
I hate to break the news, sweetheart, but you might want to consider registering yourself as a democrat, being that you are one.
Dave R.
November 23rd, 2009
9:53 pm
Wow, two revelations today.
Bookman finally ‘fessing up that he’s posting “lighter” this week (can anyone possibly be lighter than Bookman?).
And the people who brought us “Anthropogenic Global Warming” being hacked and exposed for falsifying their data for the past, oh, 20 years or so and lying about it. Al Gore should have stuck to the real science instead of going off on SNL with the crazies this week . . .
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:56 pm
“I hate to break the news, sweetheart, but you might want to consider registering yourself as a democrat, being that you are one.”
And I guess you’ll have to keep settling for voting R since the last remaining Fascist Party died out around 1945.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
9:59 pm
“Let me guess, when you were itlle bitty Bruno, some Catholic Nun wrapped you across the knuckles, hahahaha.”
No, what actually happened is that I grew up and stopped accepting mythological explanations from dusty books. Not that I ever fell for that crap anyway, even as a small child.
Play poker much? I’m smelling a fish, for sure.
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November 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
Fascist movements have commonly held social darwinist views of nations, races, and societies.
I’m just taking a shot in the dark here but how do you feel about “evolution,” sweetie, hahahaha.
getalife
November 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm
Let me get me some of that.
Yeah Bruno,
Thou shall not kill!
Unless it is blowing up babies!
TW
November 23rd, 2009
10:02 pm
Watched this great hour about the bomb today on The History Channel.
We kill more civilians in Hiroshima or Iraq?
That’s an OK argument about the bomb having saved lives, as it replaced the need for a ground invasion.
We got one of those conscience clearers for Iraq?
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:03 pm
“I’m just taking a shot in the dark here but how do you feel about “evolution,” sweetie, hahahaha.”
In case you missed my earlier posts, I think it’s junk science, as is global warming.
Fish, for sure.
getalife
November 23rd, 2009
10:07 pm
Nuking or blowing up children is pro life TW.
“Kill em all”, another pro life argument.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm
Got your new theme song, Reporter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eJi8PqB_Mk
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:09 pm
Sorry to miss your earlier shout. I was just trying to get to the root of what was bugging RW,
Bruno,
I’m just reading here for the first time since probably page 1. Just wtf have I said to you while I was away that has your panties in a twist?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 23rd, 2009
10:10 pm
Uh, so where did we come come from, oh great moderate?
Midori
November 23rd, 2009
10:10 pm
For AmVet and Getalife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
enjoy!!
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:14 pm
“I’m just reading here for the first time since probably page 1.”
Just trying to get to the root of your “phony” charge which was echoed by @@ and Reporter. Apparently it’s about abortion and the non-establishment of religion clause of the Constitution with Reproter and @@. Is that your beef as well?
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm
“Uh, so where did we come come from, oh great moderate?”
To be fair to the athiests, I studied Big Bang Theory, etc., but found it to be lacking. However, that doesn’t prove mythology by default.
The bottom line is that some things will always be a mystery. Some people can live with that, others have to fill the void with mythology.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:17 pm
Bruno,
I’ll have to read back and see what they said. I’ve got too much experience with you lying about what people say to take your word for it. I’ve also got enough of a long term relationship with both of them that if they said exactly what you’ve accused them of it would be the first time.
getalife
November 23rd, 2009
10:18 pm
Midori,
“Uh, I don’t know her policies, uh.”
Yikes.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:24 pm
“I’ve got too much experience with you lying about what people say to take your word for it. ”
And I have an equal amount of experience with you claiming that people are misrepresenting your words without once rebutting the interpretation or offering a restatement. But you are quick to toss an insult in.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:26 pm
Well that didn’t take long. I only had to go back to 9:20 to see where Bruno made up his big lie of the night. Created it out of whole cloth, he did.
Wait, created??? Must be mythology because everybody knows that in the book of Bruno if you believe in a Creator but can’t prove it you’re some backward troglodyte believing in mythology but if you have no idea why or how we’re here and just don’t want to believe in a Creator you’re standing on solid scientific ground.
Common Sense
November 23rd, 2009
10:28 pm
To Jackie:
What I was trying to say is that most unions have outlived their usefulness. In many ways they are corrupt and politicized beyond repair. When I was a member (many years ago) it was all about how you could screw the company or management. Believe me ………. I worked hard, did what I was told and repected my superiors. The older union guys did not like that. I could give you many examples but I won’t bore you.
What about old General Vessey ………………
)
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:29 pm
And I have an equal amount of experience with you claiming that people are misrepresenting your words without once rebutting the interpretation or offering a restatement.
Nice try Bruno, but when you tell a complete lie about what you claim you’ve read that I typed I think the burden is on you to prove it when it’s disputed. I could link to post after post that I made and you could just say that was the wrong one so if I tell you you’ve misrepresented my words I’ll tell you how just as soon as you link to them.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:30 pm
“Must be mythology because everybody knows that in the book of Bruno if you believe in a Creator but can’t prove it you’re some backward troglodyte believing in mythology but if you have no idea why or how we’re here and just don’t want to believe in a Creator you’re standing on solid scientific ground.”
As stated above, I don’t give a rats ass what people believe in. I do give a rat’s ass about what the Constitution says. My personal beliefs have nothing to do with anything. I revealed my own beliefs upon direct questioning by Reporter.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:31 pm
But you are quick to toss an insult in.
Here’s an easy one for you Bruno. I entered this conversation at 10:09. Where’s the insult?
md
November 23rd, 2009
10:32 pm
Where did we come from?
Mom?
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:34 pm
I do give a rat’s ass about what the Constitution says.
Neither of them said anything about having government establish a religion either that I can find. Care to give me a link or a time-stamp? All I saw was them saying that people of faith should have a voice too and not be shunned as pariahs for the good of Bruno’s political party.
Common Sense
November 23rd, 2009
10:35 pm
Even Einstein believed in a creator. The more he studied and developed his equations the more he believed.
Jackie
November 23rd, 2009
10:39 pm
@Common Sense
The experience you had in your union work could be found in non-union operations.
You and I both know that it happens in the military, frequently.
As for Gen. Vessey, I still don’t have any idea what he was yelling about?
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:40 pm
“Nice try Bruno, but when you tell a complete lie about what you claim you’ve read that I typed I think the burden is on you to prove it when it’s disputed.”
RW, isn’t that the same logic that the folks who like to scream “Bush lied” without ever providing a specific use?
“could link to post after post that I made and you could just say that was the wrong one so if I tell you you’ve misrepresented my words I’ll tell you how just as soon as you link to them.”
This whole BS started when you made some remark about how the people posting music links throughout the week were somehow causing people to continue arguing politics on Friday instead of enjoying the music. AmVet referenced your claim a few days later and I joked with him in return. But instead of simply restating your position, you started a bunch of petty arguments, which escalated into your blog “frisking” and denunciations by you, @@, and Reporter.
Midori
November 23rd, 2009
10:45 pm
Getalife,
dig the moron in the Steelers jacket?
doesn’t he look and sound like Moose from the Archies???
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:46 pm
“Here’s an easy one for you Bruno. I entered this conversation at 10:09. Where’s the insult?”
We could start with the first two blog entries:
10:09 wtf have I said to you while I was away that has your panties in a twist?
10:17 you lying
Kind of like your claim that people were still arguing on Friday night when it turned out it was you, @@, and Reporter that were doing all the arguing.
You’re getting soft, RW, must have gotten too used to arguing with Libs.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:48 pm
Bruno,
I’ll take your 10:40 as your own admission of you being a bald faced liar. “Am” started in just a few comments after mine and “B” was parroting it soon after culminating in your claim that you read what I said and then repeated what you claimed I wrote which didn’t even resemble it.
I don’t blame you for the obfuscation of trying to go back a few days though since it’s so easy to just scroll up a few posts to see you lying about Andy and @@ in very much the same way tonight.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:49 pm
Bruno,
If you consider those insults then I’d say you’re the one that’s gone soft.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:51 pm
“Even Einstein believed in a creator. The more he studied and developed his equations the more he believed.”
Einstein never defined what a “Creator” was, nor does the Bible. People have to fill in the blanks themselves, which everyone does slightly differently. I agree with Einstein that coincidence and chance are too unlikely to be the original Creative force as the Big Bang Theorem and Darwinian Evolution would have you believe. But once again, there are more than two choices on the test. I’m going with (C) No one really knows.
Bruno
November 23rd, 2009
10:54 pm
“I don’t blame you for the obfuscation of trying to go back a few days though since it’s so easy to just scroll up a few posts to see you lying about Andy and @@ in very much the same way tonight.”
Once again, you’re offering empty insults without one solid reference/rebuttal/anything. In return, I’ve rebutted your empty claims with specific posts.
I’ll consider the matter closed. I merely wanted to find out where you, @@, and Reporter were coming from. I suspected it was from some “literal” Bible perspective, and I was right.