Democratic senators stay with Reid… so far
Another big step cleared, apparently.
Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) appears to have secured the 60 votes needed to move an $848 billion health-care reform bill to the Senate floor for debate.
After days of indecision, Sen. Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) — the final Democratic holdout — announced Saturday afternoon that she has decided to support a procedural motion to break a GOP filibuster. Reid now expects all 60 members of his caucus to vote yes at 8 p.m. Saturday, clearing the way for amendment deliberations to begin after the Thanksgiving recess….
Two other undecided Democrats, Sens. Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Mary Landrieu (La.), also announced their support in the final hours before the Saturday vote.
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Rightwing Troll
November 21st, 2009
5:22 pm
Yawn… so what? Yet another non-issue that won’t won’t mean a hill of beans in my day to day life…
Balance Our Budget
November 21st, 2009
5:23 pm
Wonder how many billions they were promised for their votes?
Yo'momma Obama
November 21st, 2009
5:23 pm
Yeah, that’s like getting all 60 to agree on starting the “Death March to Bataan”
Yo'momma Obama
November 21st, 2009
5:26 pm
Meanwhile, I paid my neighbors kid to mow my lawn. Then I got a personal letter from Ayatollah Hussein Obama thanking me for “saving or creating” 8000 landscaping jobs….
Bill White
November 21st, 2009
5:34 pm
We’re taking this seriously by holding a prayer vigil. Freedom is dead. This is not America any longer.
Rev Al Sharptongue
November 21st, 2009
5:34 pm
I cant wait for health care to pass, I was promised a job through ACORN working on a death panel in a conservative district here in Ga.
Old cons lookout the grim reaper is coming
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
5:35 pm
The democrats have a super majority and it’s like pulling teeth to muster up some votes for this wonderful legislation.
Not to mention they had to give away all the money left in the United States.
Vanity, maybe?
Dusty
November 21st, 2009
5:41 pm
Our Congress wanted to get home for Thanksgiving. That’s all. Who cares about the health bill?
We got us a bunch of turkeys gobbling away our money in Washington.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
5:47 pm
As I mentioned down below the usual suspects would be …what’s the word around here…..oh yea, trumpeting this vote as something much more meaningful than it is. The real vote comes when they need 60 to end debate.
It only took Jay B 11 minutes to prove me right.
@@
November 21st, 2009
5:48 pm
Mary Landrieu didn’t come cheap….$100,000,000? The taxpayers’ll pay if Mary will play…
with monopoly money.
The dems get Boardwalked in 2010. Conservatives will take Park Avenue on Pennsylvania.
Okey dokey!
getalife
November 21st, 2009
5:50 pm
Let the debate begin and the lobbyist millions flow.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
6:00 pm
Ok. Let them debate it. Put all the information out so we’ll know what’s really in there and what the true cost is.
Normal
November 21st, 2009
6:02 pm
I smell fear in the air…If the Democrats meld and become one, the earth will tremble…mainly from the Republicans knocking their head against the wall repeatedly.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:02 pm
Strains in Party Threaten Democrats’ Plans
Lawmakers Feel Pressure to Respond to Voters’ Economic Pain as White House, Allies Focus Efforts on Passing Health Overhaul
It’s getting difficult to say which of the dems’ moves has been the most stupid. Almost makes ‘ya wanna sit back and let them destroy their party single-handed.
Naahhh, we’ll give ‘em a hand. It would be wrong, not to.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
6:07 pm
RW
Thanks for the info on book sales from the previous thread.
Normal
November 21st, 2009
6:10 pm
Enter your comments here
Normal
November 21st, 2009
6:10 pm
Oops, that’s not refresh…
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:11 pm
ABM,
You’re welcome and most of it I didn’t make up on the fly.
Balance Our Budget
November 21st, 2009
6:11 pm
Lets split the country down the middle put the liberals on one side and the conservatives on the other.In ten years the lib side would be a poor socialist east german type government that takes most of their peoples money .And the conservative side would be a thriving free market type government that lets their people decide what to with their own money.
After that happens we might have to build a wall to keep the libs on their side.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:12 pm
“Thppbbbttt!!!!!!! You don’t know AmVet’s history here. Ugh!”
“Bruno is new here. Very new.”
Again, @@ and Dusty, I can only judge AmVet based on what I have read with my own two eyes. I see a sincerity in his point of view regardless of how it is packaged and despite the fact that he and I often end up on opposite sides of the issues. Ditto for several of the other “liberal” posters, chief among them USinUK, josef, Normal, TnGelding, and Bosch.
I respect the fact that you have had a difficult history with him for whatever reason, but it wouldn’t be fair for me to hold that against him no more so than it would be fair for me to pick up any grudges he may have toward you.
“Bruno- Vote for the democrat the, like you did the last time.”
And out of left field (or should that be RIGHT field?) comes Reporter with the strangest claim I’ve seen in a long time. Was it because I thought the final straw in McCain’s lost campaign was the selection of Sarah Palin??
Hard Right Hook
November 21st, 2009
6:13 pm
Rev Al Sharptongue
November 21st, 2009
5:34 pm
“I cant wait for health care to pass, I was promised a job through ACORN working on a death panel in a conservative district here in Ga.
Old cons lookout the grim reaper is coming.”
So much for the business as usual, hope n change bs.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:14 pm
ABM–I didn’t put you in the liberal list above because I don’t really find you to be very “liberal”, but have enjoyed our limited interactions as well.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
6:17 pm
Bruno- I am very good at sensing people’s sincerity and you have none.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:19 pm
As for this legislation, I’ve found two loopholes which may save my bacon. If an “opt-out” provision is made, I’m pretty confident that GA will be one of the first states to bail. Secondly, I believe there is a religious exclusion clause whereby you won’t be forced to buy insurance if it somehow conflicts with your beliefs. So from here on out, guys, I’m a devout Christian Scientist.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:21 pm
Bruno:
You’re free to do as you please. The thing about AmVet is he never thought we conservatives should be.
You remind me of him.
Let’s all just get along.
HEY!! Didn’t you kids hear me when I said GET ALONG????
BY GAWD!!!! WHEN I SAY GET ALONG, YOU BETTER DAMN WELL LISTEN OR I’LL KICK YOUR ARSES!!!!
It’s almost as though, you’re AmVet, reincarnated.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:22 pm
“Bruno- I am very good at sensing people’s sincerity and you have none.”
Good one, Reporter. When I think of sensitivity and sincerity, you’re the first guy that comes to mind.
And in case you didn’t notice, I’m one of the few folks who addresses you as Reporter rather than Whiner. Hate to disappoint the masochist side of you.
Balance Our Budget
November 21st, 2009
6:22 pm
I propose a 60% tax on the liberals on here who support this 2.5 trillion dollar health care bill.That might slow them down a little if they knew their checkbook was going to get hit. aaaah But it is so easy to support taxing and spending other peoples money so they can have their wants.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:23 pm
Bruno,
Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if you ARE amvet. That sort of thing has happened with some regularity around here and it nearly always sounds just like the conversations you “two” have with each other.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:23 pm
“BY GAWD!!!! WHEN I SAY GET ALONG, YOU BETTER DAMN WELL LISTEN OR I’LL KICK YOUR ARSES!!!!”
Is there something wrong with that? I’m not following…..
Touche, @@.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:25 pm
Bruno:
If an “opt-out” provision is made, I’m pretty confident that GA will be one of the first states to bail.
Think about ^^^ the consequences of that one long and hard. I’ll give you all night. I would actually welcome the consequences were they to occur.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:26 pm
“Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if you ARE amvet. That sort of thing has happened with some regularity around here and it nearly always sounds just like the conversations you “two” have with each other.”
If it will ease your mind a little, you can always go back to the old W2W blog and look for my posts. Same ultra-right wing Bruno for as far as the eye can see. I’ll pull up a sample post for you in a minute.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:29 pm
Bruno,
No need. Seeing amvet prancing around the W2W blog wouldn’t surprise anyone here either.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:30 pm
Bruno:
Is there something wrong with that?
YUP! Dems didn’t wanna get along with conservatives when the reps were in power, and I don’t wanna get along with libs EVAH again.
AmVet a/k/a HUGE has already disappeared only to resurface as another big A$$.
You guys don’t change anything but your names.
getalife
November 21st, 2009
6:31 pm
Welcome back Chad.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:32 pm
Here’s a nice sample for you, RW. Still sound like Am??
Bruno
March 13th, 2009
12:43 pm
One last plea to my blog buddies: Buy some stocks while they are still so undervalued. I’m becoming more and more convinced that the market has hit bottom and will only go up from here, despite every effort from Obama and the Democrats to permanently ruin our economy.
Question for the Libs: Are all of you still so high on Obama and the Democratic leadership?? After less than two months, I think Obama is definitely in the running for “Worst President Ever”. I’m also getting more than a little sick of the #1 hypocrite of all time, Nancy Pelosi. She made a big point of castigating the various company executives for flying around in private jets while she does the same thing, all on my dime.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
6:32 pm
Bruno
I believe you’re the first person on this blog to ever say that you don’t find me “liberal”. I take that as a compliment.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:32 pm
RW:
Why do my paragraph closers work sometimes and not others?
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:35 pm
“AmVet a/k/a HUGE has already disappeared only to resurface as another big A$$. You guys don’t change anything but your names.”
I guess in the end, you can always check with USinUK, Nothing Is Free, Gale, and Matilda, since we all blogged together for a few years on W2W.
In remembering back, I don’t recall AmVet ever sticking his head in there, although getalife and Dusty did on occasion.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:36 pm
@@,
Why are you even using paragraph closers? Email me if you want and we can figure out what you’re doing.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:39 pm
“I believe you’re the first person on this blog to ever say that you don’t find me “liberal”. I take that as a compliment.”
Can only call it as I see it, ABM. Your chosen blog name put me somewhat on guard when I first came here, but that changed as soon as I read your posts. Another example where the exterior bluster is in contrast to the inner intelligence.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:40 pm
Here’s a nice sample for you, RW. Still sound like Am??
“B”, I didn’t say you sounded like “Am” I said your conversations sound just like the sock puppet posts that seem like they’re people on opposite sides that find some great admiration for each other and turn out to be the same person.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:40 pm
Bruno:
You’re working too hard to convince me. That alone, makes me suspicious. Kinda like the dems and their health care bill.
RW, Andy, Dusty…….elsewhere.
Sorry, I’ve been wanting to do that for a long time.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:43 pm
‘cept we don’t know where elsewhere even is.
(ISH)
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:43 pm
Last “proof of authenticity” question for you: How often has AmVet taken on GT grads over atomic Physics?? Ever any mention from him about bosons and fermions, the Pauli Exclusion Principle, Richard Feynman? Has he ever pontificated about the epistemological ramifications of Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem?? If so, let me know, because every blowhard GT Lib I’ve ever met on this site couldn’t hang with Bruno.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
6:45 pm
It’d be cool if I could bring my John Kerry Blogger picture up in here.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:48 pm
AmVet do like to talk about the Physics of Evolution.
I’ve never seen a GT lib on this site.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:48 pm
“You’re working too hard to convince me. That alone, makes me suspicious. Kinda like the dems and their health care bill.”
““B”, I didn’t say you sounded like “Am” I said your conversations sound just like the sock puppet posts that seem like they’re people on opposite sides that find some great admiration for each other and turn out to be the same person.”
I guess I can’t argue with logic like that. You guys can be hysterical at times. Would a word from Jay re: separate IP addresses settle it for you?
Not an issue for me, just find it to be amusing you guys are so suspicious.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:50 pm
“I’ve never seen a GT lib on this site.”
Where were you Wed night?? Taxpayer started running his mouth about how many degrees he had from GT and how smart he was in math and science. After NIF and I shut him up, he hasn’t been back since.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:51 pm
Andy emerging in a…..was it a hazmat suit or scrubs?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:52 pm
The first rule of a good sock puppet is to make it seem like you take on different issues, then you can pat each other on the backside over how well they handle them. Call the “other one” the resident expert perhaps.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:54 pm
“AmVet do like to talk about the Physics of Evolution.”
And I think Evolution is one more example of junk science along with global “warming”. I even put up a Scientific American link for USinUK a few months ago in which it was discussed how unreliable the data they were using is. Unless AmVet is the most schizophrenic person on the entire planet, how could he/we pull that one off?
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:54 pm
Bruno:
I’m fine with YOU being here, just don’t keep insisting I get along with bloggers I don’t like.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:54 pm
Would a word from Jay re: separate IP addresses settle it for you?
LOL…I could post the next hundred posts without ever using the same IP address
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
6:56 pm
Unless AmVet is the most schizophrenic person on the entire planet, how could he/we pull that one off?
You “two” are up there but you’ll never reach finch level.
jt
November 21st, 2009
6:56 pm
C’mon REID.
MANDATE to my face, ya crook.
@@
November 21st, 2009
6:57 pm
Another thing, Bruno…
AmVet was always looking to prove himself right….top dog….head honcho….king of the hill.
He could never get over himself!
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
6:57 pm
“The first rule of a good sock puppet is to make it seem like you take on different issues, then you can pat each other on the backside over how well they handle them. Call the “other one” the resident expert perhaps.”
I guess I haven’t spent enough time blogging to see that for myself, RW. The only “pair” of opposites that might fit that bill on this blog might be GODD/Chad and Reporter. They both are full of info and feel obligated to end each post with an insult. But then again, I haven’t seen them complimenting one another much.
Can you provide an example?
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
7:00 pm
“AmVet was always looking to prove himself right….top dog….head honcho….king of the hill. He could never get over himself!”
Again, that’s me to a “T’, but that shared personality trait does not a sock puppet make. I’m not sure of AmVet’s MO to accomplish that spot–I try to do it with superior knowledge and analysis and not solely through force of personality the way some bloggers do. GODD seems to share that trait too.
kayaker 71
November 21st, 2009
7:01 pm
This health care fiasco is far from done. Those that vote for this nonsense will have to await the judgement of the electorate in 2010. Most important legislation is put off in an election year so the politicos can get another term before the electorate forgets what the last hurrah was all about. Most Americans won’t forget who voted for this, however. This goes too deep. Those who walk out on a limb today risk losing their seat in the next election. Bozo’s numbers are going South. Wonder how many of those running in 2010 will shun Bozo’s endorsement if he continues to head down. Approval rating at about 49% and dropping. Is America waking up?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:04 pm
Can you provide an example?
Of what? If it’s “B” and “Am” slobbering all over each other it’s pretty much pick a page any page.
@@
November 21st, 2009
7:04 pm
Bruno:
Pleeease…I’m becoming embarrassed for you.
AmVet claimed his knowledge as superior too. Let it go, dude!
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
7:05 pm
“I’m fine with YOU being here, just don’t keep insisting I get along with bloggers I don’t like.”
I don’t recall doing that, @@, was only trying to explain why I don’t hold the same disdain for him that you do.
Just a word of caution, though, even though I’m on the conservative “team”, I’m not shy to call out a fellow conservative when I think they’re wrong. Especially in matters about using public resources to broadcast de facto religious endorsements.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
7:08 pm
“Can you provide an example?”
I meant an example where dual bloggers turned out to be the same person. I have changed blog names in the past, but stopped a few years ago because it created confusion and I was being blamed for other people’s posts.
“AmVet claimed his knowledge as superior too. Let it go, dude!”
Not a new thing for me, @@. Not an attractive trait, for sure, but I yam what I yam.
I’ll not bring up the topic again unless you do. But please, rest easy tonight.
@@
November 21st, 2009
7:08 pm
Gotcha, Bruno!
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
“LOL…I could post the next hundred posts without ever using the same IP address”
Actually, I’m not computer savvy enough (by choice) to do that. I may be arrogant about what I DO know, but don’t have a problem recognizing my limitations.
“Gotcha, Bruno!”
?????
And while we’re on the subject of blog identity, why do you guys call GODD=Chad and Reporter=Andy? Are those definitive names they have blogged under in the past? Have they ever admitted it?? That picture of Chad Harris from Clemson was a little spooky. NIF was accused of being “Andy” over at W2W. Apparently “Andy” lives in East Cobb from what I remember.
@@
November 21st, 2009
7:14 pm
Bruno:
I told you, you sounded like AmVet. Nothing conclusive but an interesting co-inky-dink.
By AmVet
February 2, 2009 12:17 PM | Link to this
Mike,
My bad, if you think I’m angry at you. I’m not. You have some good points to make and I’m willing to listen.
But, you have unquestionably been very personally accusatory to many here, including me, but seem to want to back off of that a bit.
Now if you’d give up the incessant attempts to change my writing style. I yam what I yam. Sometime vulgar. Occassionally rude, crude and socially unacceptable.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
I meant an example where dual bloggers turned out to be the same person
I don’t know how far back the archives go, but if want to find one you can use some search combination of finch and seeker with some snarky comment about poor tippers. After you find that you can just go back in time from there. Or you could take my word for it that it’s happened, but I don’t see that in your nature.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
7:17 pm
“This health care fiasco is far from done. Those that vote for this nonsense will have to await the judgement of the electorate in 2010.”
We can only hope, kayaker. This nightmare can’t end soon enough for me.
Gotta run and get my last picks of the day together.
Government Option Dung Deal!
November 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Who am I?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:18 pm
Apparently “Andy” lives in East Cobb from what I remember.
That’s something amvet likes to point out over and over
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
7:19 pm
“Now if you’d give up the incessant attempts to change my writing style. I yam what I yam. Sometime vulgar. Occassionally rude, crude and socially unacceptable.”
LMAO, @@. You win, I’m AmVet.
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2009
7:20 pm
In ten years the lib side would be a poor socialist east german type government that takes most of their peoples money .And the conservative side would be a thriving free market type government
I’ve seen one version or another of this little fantasy played by both sides. (The left wing version invariably has a backward Taliban-like “Jesusland” falling prey to violent anarchy, by the way, while the brilliant liberals save the planet.)
It’s getting kind of old, frankly. We need all types of creative people. Some think there’s more of a role for government than others. Sometimes those folks who feel that way win decisive elections and they effect changes; sometimes they don’t and government’s role is rolled back. It’s cyclical. Our system government, whatever its flaws, does a pretty good job of rolling with the punches.
I don’t really expect an answer to this rhetorical question but I’ll toss it out there anyway: why is it so hard for most folks to cope with this reality?
@@
November 21st, 2009
7:23 pm
I was simply saying I “gotcha” message.
I’m not shy to call out a fellow conservative when I think they’re wrong. Especially in matters about using public resources to broadcast de facto religious endorsements.
I also gotcha talkin like Popeye. Maybe we should start calling you Bluto?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:36 pm
I don’t really expect an answer to this rhetorical question
Why would one expect an answer to any rhetorical question?
@@
November 21st, 2009
7:42 pm
Stands for Ditzybull:
Never before has there been such a massive government takeover as under this administration.
These are the times that try men’s “soles”.
The American people are gonna walk all over Washington for A CHANGE!
@@
November 21st, 2009
7:45 pm
RW:
Only saints have elsewheres, don’tcha know?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:48 pm
Well I sure don’t qualify in the saint category, but I remember a TV show way back when that sounded like that. It’s gone but apparently there’s a rule that no fewer than 18 shows about hospitals can be running on network television at any given time.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:50 pm
Great sign at Sanford stadium where the Bulldogs are playing the Wildcats.
This One’s For UGA VII, here kitty, kitty…
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 21st, 2009
7:52 pm
Well, I wish you all would stop arguing so we can get back to tips on house improvements from @@ and Sister Dusty. Or leastwise the two lunkheads that claim they’re them. The missus and me are talking about sprucing up the trailer and maybe we could learn how to tear out a oven or spackle a wall or something like that.
Anyhow, I seen how this senator from LA decided to vote for the Obamacare bill after they made a deal to give her $100,000,000. Just in case anybody up there is on this blog tonight, I’m willing to support the bill for just $100 million. Heck, I figure with that kind of money I can buy a insurance co. and issue myself a policy. Just leave the money on the trailer steps up here at Simpsons Trailer Park. It’ll be the one with the beer truck and the Ford F-450 parked in front.
Have a good night everybody and get to bed early enough to go to church in the a.m. You know you need a lot of saving after spending a hard week figuring out how to screw the poor and talk yourself into beleiving Jesus told you to do it.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
7:59 pm
After an afternoon of golf at Andrews Air Force Base, POTUS made a quick stop at the White House before heading out again at 6 p.m,. for what pool is told is a birthday dinner for senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, at her condo in Georgetown. The rest of the first family will also be arriving separately for the b’day bash.
I think I have this figured out. Obama will be eligible for golf’s Senior tour in 2011.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:01 pm
Oops!
The link for the above
http://www.politico.com/politico44/wbarchive/whiteboard11212009.html
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:09 pm
“co-inky dink”
That’s also a favorite phrase of USinUK. Are you two the same person??
“Never before has there been such a massive government takeover as under this administration.”
@@–Am I mistaken, or did you say earlier that you voted for Hillary????? Please clear up my confusion (Although with a gun to my head I might admit that she would be better than Obama).
No date tonight, so might as well play some music. And now for some Todd Rundgren:
(Gotcha, RW)
@@
November 21st, 2009
8:11 pm
President Who? Finding a head European
At a summit on Thursday they delivered a mouse: a new president and foreign policy chief for the European Union whose obscure backgrounds and lack of experience virtually guarantee that they will not supplant national leaders as figures on the world stage or as interlocutors with Washington. That’s probably just as well.
The Europeans are attempting to build a better mouse trap against our President in Squeak.
getalife
November 21st, 2009
8:13 pm
dems got 60.
Who is RC?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:13 pm
Gotcha, RW ???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
She asked the man beside me (who by the way is NOT my dad) the same question she had before we went on air. Myself on the other hand, not the same story. She had me read my shirt and then proceeded to ask me “Did you know Sarah Palin supported the bailout” to be 100% honest I was like, are you kidding me? She is trying to use my shirt against me. I was so shocked by the craftiness she had that I was truly stumped. I asked her where she got her fact and she read her little note. Then she asked me what I liked about Sarah, and I talked about the Constitution…
Norah also claims I told her I voted (on her twitter). That is not true. She never asked my age or if I voted. I’m 17 I couldn’t have voted…and I don’t live in an ACORN district so I didn’t have a chance to even register illegally. Making that statement by Norah completely false.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:17 pm
“The Europeans are attempting to build a better mouse trap against our President in Squeak.”
@@–Only tangentially related, but did you ever see the famous memo from Microsoft about how to properly clean the balls of your mouse? I’ll see if I can find it.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:23 pm
“If a mouse fails to operate or should it perform erratically, it may need a ball replacement. Mouse balls are now available as FRU (Field Replacement Units).
Because of the delicate nature of this procedure, a replacement of mouse balls should only be attempted by properly trained personnel. Before proceeding, determine the type of mouse balls by examining the underside of the mouse.
Domestic balls will be larger and harder than foreign balls. Ball removal procedures differ depending upon the manufacturer of the mouse. Foreign balls can be replaced using the pop off method. Domestic balls are replaced by using the twist off method.
Mouse balls are not usually static sensitive. However, excessive handling can result in sudden discharge.
Upon completion of ball replacement, the mouse may be used immediately.
It is recommended that each person have a pair of spare balls for maintaining optimum customer satisfaction. Any customer missing his balls should contact the local personnel in charge of removing and replacing these necessary items.
Please keep in mind that a customer without properly working balls is an unhappy customer. “
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
8:23 pm
Bruno
If you find that, please let me know.
mike
November 21st, 2009
8:26 pm
Redneck Convert –
Thanks for the bigotry. It is always nice to see a “tolerant” liberal show how close-minded and hateful he is.
Keep on hating them evil old Christians, bigot.
mike
November 21st, 2009
8:27 pm
As usual, Jay shows that there is one form of bigotry that is always welcome on his blog.
getalife
November 21st, 2009
8:27 pm
Best post eva Bruno.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
8:29 pm
getalife
Did you see the end of the Ole Miss/LSU game? I don’t know what the hell Miles was thinking.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:30 pm
“Best post eva Bruno.”
Can’t take much credit for it. It’s rumored to be a true memo, though I would have my suspicions.
Truces in place on Fri and Sat nights.
@@
November 21st, 2009
8:32 pm
I don’t expect people to care or even remember, but I….do so….hate emoticons.
Bluto….do you mind if I call you, Bluto?
I voted for her in the primary, hoping that we’d have two experienced candidates to choose from in the general. If a democrat was to win, she’d have made a better president imo.
I voted for Bill first time ’round. I thought the party gave her a raw deal during the campaign. Like I said, the dems are the party of misogyny and racism. Always have been, just took me a while to figure it out. Never again!
I’m outta here.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:33 pm
Oops–supposed to be an IBM memo. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:35 pm
ABM,
His non answer about why he didn’t send the field goal unit in for that last second was pretty dumb too, but what I really don’t understand is why they let about 13 seconds run off the clock before calling time out on fourth down. I picked Ole Miss today and I thought they blew it for sure.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:39 pm
“I voted for her in the primary, hoping that we’d have two experienced candidates to choose from in the general. If a democrat was to win, she’d have made a better president imo.”
Not entirely faulty logic.
“I voted for Bill first time ’round.”
I realize it takes courage to admit something like that, so 1/2 brownie point to you for courage.
My Presidential voting record: Reagan, Reagan, Bush I, Ross Perot, Ross Perot, Bush II, Bush II, McCain. I have voted for several Democrats at the state/county level, Sam Nunn being among those.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
8:39 pm
RW
That’s gotta be 2 of the top 3 of dumbest coaching decisions made today. Depending on the Tenn/Vandy and KY/GA game he may get to move down a slot or two, but so far Les Miles is looking pretty dumb right about now.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:40 pm
Just call me the Grinch that Stole the IBM Memo
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:40 pm
“I picked Ole Miss today and I thought they blew it for sure.”
I know you’re not a spread player, but they didn’t cover. I’m a measly 1-2 today. Only have an “over” bet working tonight. I was going to take Kentucky (+7) over Georgia, but layed off that game.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:42 pm
ABM,
When he sort of mumbled something about the field goal unit being at the other end of the field I figured I must have heard him wrong, but if that’s truly what he said he ought to be fired as soon as somebody transcribes the tape.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:43 pm
Without josef around I’m just nailing these out page top spots….
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:44 pm
“When he sort of mumbled something about the field goal unit being at the other end of the field I figured I must have heard him wrong, but if that’s truly what he said he ought to be fired as soon as somebody transcribes the tape.”
I missed the ending–too busy crying in my beer about Ohio State.
@@
November 21st, 2009
8:45 pm
Cute memo, Bruno. I don’t have mouse balls.
Mine’s a laser.
Buona notte.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:46 pm
Alright, RW, gotta throw out a tune:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEE4mvqi4pc
“Don’t fear the reefer”
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
8:47 pm
RW
The only coach who’s looking dumber than Miles is the coach from Yale. He decided to go for a 4th and 22 with a fake punt while leading 10-7 with 2:25 left in the game
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:47 pm
Bruno,
There are days when the contesgt I play in would be more fun with a spread since they try to pick 20 games that involve top 25 teams. That made for some pretty easy picking on a lot of games today when you only had to pick whether teams like Alabama or Florida would win.
/That being said I’m only 11-4 with 5 games to go today.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:47 pm
“Buona notte.”
With your hubby tonight?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:49 pm
ABM,
The Yale coach may have been dumber, but the one who most surely lost his job today is Charlie Weiss.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
8:51 pm
“There are days when the contest I play in would be more fun with a spread since they try to pick 20 games that involve top 25 teams. That made for some pretty easy picking on a lot of games today when you only had to pick whether teams like Alabama or Florida would win.”
Then it really becomes a 5-6 game contest since most of the other games are lopsided. I prefer using spreads as well.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
8:51 pm
RW
I’m in total agreement with you. I’m sure he’s already packing up his office. If it’s any consolation, Buffalo’s got an opening.
getalife
November 21st, 2009
8:52 pm
ABM,
Time for a new coach.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:56 pm
Then it really becomes a 5-6 game contest
Not really. Most weeks 16 or 17 games could go either way. It’s just the first week or two and then this week when all these teams scheduled their homecoming or Senior day and want a pushover.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
8:57 pm
ABM,
If he isn’t packing his office then maybe he’s in the running for dumbest coach of the day too.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:00 pm
ABM–Got a “deep cut” soul number for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUvHgpbNbbU
It also appeared on the soundtrack to “Boogie Nights”.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
9:06 pm
RW
I’ve got beer coming out of my nose thanks to your 8:57!!!
Bruno
I love the Ohio Players. Their music was great, but the album covers…. Whew!!!!! If I can master the solo at the beginning of that track, I’ll be the man.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:10 pm
I think you mentioned having a daughter, but maybe this one will work anyway. Not quite old enough yet to be called “old school”, but definitely a classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjheiI0BFqg
With a nod to Grover, of course. One generation hands it off to the next……
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
9:16 pm
A brief tribute to Les Miles, Charlie Weiss, Tom Williams, and anyone else who decides to make a dumba$$ decision today. (senators included)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
9:16 pm
Well, hello, y’all…just got back from a trip around a happy world…stuffed to the gills from tastes from all five continents—music from all parts, headliner was an Andean band that you would have had to have been there…still ringing in my soul…learned some Ethiopian moves and my feet hurt, but in a good way…wish y’all could have been there!
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
9:20 pm
Bruno
I like Will Smith/Fresh Prince’s music. Rap is supposed to be about telling a story. To be able to do it without the profanity or succumbing to the “bling bling” mentality makes him that much more of a genius.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:23 pm
“wish y’all could have been there!”
Take it away, Gene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpNVD5GMUw
The pinnacle of American TV in my book
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:24 pm
“To be able to do it without the profanity or succumbing to the “bling bling” mentality makes him that much more of a genius.”
I do have an ODB CD at home just for laughs, though.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
9:25 pm
Nobody ever believes me but Charlie Daniels was a rap pioneer.
It’s hard to find the audio without having to sign up some where, but everything in those lyrics other than the chorus is rapped.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
9:28 pm
Bruno– was thinking of you tonight during the Ethiopian moves, footwork has a LOT in common with Cossack dancing…I mentioned it to my partner who said that it was brought back from Russia, she thought, going back to the Coptic contact with the Eastern Orthodox in Russia…
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
9:28 pm
ABM,
Do your best to avoid seeing tape of the Charlie Weiss presser on a highlight reel. He’s rowing a one man canoe in a river called De Nile and is waiting until tomorrow to think about his future at Notre Dame.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
9:30 pm
Bruno
Not the ODB!!!!
The funniest interview I ever heard was a few years ago watching NASCAR. One of the commentators was showing an interview with Mark Martin and they got to talking about musical tastes. Mark mentioned going to Best Buy with his son to buy music. His son is picking up Metallica, Ozzy, and other metal groups. Mark, on the other hand, is buying Snoop Dog, 50 Cent,… I fell out of my chair watching that. Guess you can’t judge a book by it’s cover.
My co-workers went batsh*t crazy listening to my mp3 player one day. I had it on shuffle and it was going from Public Enemy to Judas Priest to Lynyrd Skynyrd to Isaac Hayes and so on. The killer was that I was singing more with the metal songs than the R&B. They didn’t think there were black headbangers. LOL!!
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
9:31 pm
RAP– it’s found the all around the world (okay, so I’m still not back yet!)
“Johnny’s in the basement
Mixin up the medicine
I’m on the pavement
Thinkin ’bout the government…”
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:33 pm
No audio on the Charlie Daniels link, RW.
For what it’s worth, the Grateful Dead utilized a rapping cadence in a song from the late 1960s they wrote called “Fire On the Mountain”. There aren’t any links at youtube for it, I’ll take a quick look elsewhere. Supposedly, the first “official” rap song is “Rapper’s Delight” circa 1976.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
9:35 pm
My co-workers went batsh*t crazy listening to my mp3 player one day. I had it on shuffle and it was going from Public Enemy to Judas Priest to Lynyrd Skynyrd to Isaac Hayes and so on
ABM,
I’ve always thought an interesting Friday night thread would be if everybody put their players or play lists on shuffle and posted whatever came up. You’d have to post the first thing you could find on line but name all the songs that came up that you couldn’t find. I bet it would be funny as hell if everybody played by the rules.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
9:36 pm
RW @ 9:35
Great idea! Jay?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
9:36 pm
No audio on the Charlie Daniels link, RW.
Your powers of observation are awe inspiring, Bruno. /sarc
Why do you suppose I went into that whole description rather than just posting some audio?
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:36 pm
“Not the ODB!!!! ”
I’m tempted to link you to my favorite song of his, but I would be banned for life from the blog.
At any rate, Kanye West had NOTHING on ODB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2-5GSjZvW8
RW–Not a music link, check it out^^^^
ROLLERGIRL
November 21st, 2009
9:39 pm
At first I thought UGA VII died from choking on one of those clayton county sheriffs badges floating around , now I think his death was caused by trying to read the 2450 pages of BULLSHT that the democrats are trying to destroy the USA with..Hussein’s healthcare deform.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:40 pm
“I bet it would be funny as hell if everybody played by the rules.”
My only rule would be that folks have to listen to their selections all the way through before posting another. The rapid style posting of some folks makes it hard to keep up.
josef–the Bob Dylan tune is an evolutionary half-step toward rap, I might say.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
9:41 pm
RW–Not a music link, check it out^^^^
Bruno,
In all seriousness, are you self medicating? Why would I click or not click a link because it might or might not be music?
ROLLERGIRL
November 21st, 2009
9:41 pm
I guess Mary Landrieu and Blanche Lincoln got a little jungle fever over the weekend (to the tune of about $250 Million dollars) and decided to disregard their constituents wishes.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:43 pm
I always thought this one was funny, and a great beat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJgFU3U4X_Y
Are you down with……..?
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
9:43 pm
Bruno–
Agreed.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
9:48 pm
“Bruno–Agreed.”
Well, I’m pretty sure you’re not down with OPP, josef. How about you, RG?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
9:50 pm
Bruno–
Agreed.
Put me down as disagreed. It’s few and far between that a song gets linked here that I haven’t heard and if I like it it I’ll note it to play later when it’s not some crappy you tube file, but if it’s garbage it’s garbage, unless it’s Garbage
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
9:50 pm
Bruno
Agreed on Dylan…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:02 pm
NIF- Thanks for heads up on City of God, that was pretty good.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:07 pm
Reporter–
“Few escape my grasp, even in death, my powers continue”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=851zKO96ks8&annotation_id=annotation_988349&feature=iv
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:07 pm
RW
Now I’ve got to look for footage of the presser. That’s gotta be funny to watch, even though that’s a sad situation for him. I think that’s a good idea for the music thread. I’d have to warn you now that I have Drum Corps and some other off the wall type stuff on my playlist.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:10 pm
And y’all would have to get over the Bear McCreary Battlestar Galactica two volume set on my playlist – and the Clash.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:10 pm
Plus Dylan. What a songwriter.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:12 pm
Bosch
I’ll call your Clash and raise with Iron Butterfly.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
10:12 pm
ABM,
I just got done watching all my old files being transferred to a new computer which kind of forced to see what was in there. You’d be hard pressed to have more off the wall stuff than what showed up in my master music file.
I’d have to use the excuse that I’m saving music for my late grandfather and that my wife is 15 years younger than me to gain enough cover.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:14 pm
Bruno- Am I missing something here?
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:16 pm
RW
With a description like that, you might have me beat. Unless you don’t have the theme music for “The Incredible Hulk” or “The 6 Million Dollar Man”.
Mrs. Godzilla
November 21st, 2009
10:16 pm
Congratulations America.
We are going to build a foundation for healthcare as a right for all Americans.
Be proud this is a good thing,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJBhdKrwTOc
Love to y’all.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:18 pm
Alright, the picks-
Packers over 49′ers.
Giants over duh Falcons.
The other close match up, we have an opinion but are unable to share it for technical reasons.
The rest of the games, it’s like duhhh.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:18 pm
Mrs. G.
I agree. Change is tough, but good sometimes!
ABM,
Done!!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:19 pm
Except for the 1-9 matchups/ death struggles, I ain’t touching those.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:20 pm
Just thought that might be up your alley, Reporter.
“I’ll call your Clash and raise with Iron Butterfly.”
And I’m all in with Sabbath:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtqy4DTHGqg
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
10:20 pm
The other close match up, we have an opinion but are unable to share it for technical reasons.
So who are the Bears choking the game away to this week?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:20 pm
Honestly, who wants to take a stab at the Browns and Lions?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
10:23 pm
ABM,
I’ve got the entire soundtrack for six seasons of Northern Exposure even though it was never compiled anywhere else.
I’m telling you this shuffle throwdown would be fun.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:23 pm
Philadelphia.
I got another jinx in play on that one, when they were stomping through their schedule, I stuck a Bears sticker on the Escalade and they promptly got creamed by the Bengals. So I was thinking there is no way this had anything to do with it and then they got ripped by the Niners. That sticker now occupies the bottom of my trash can.
Go Bears!
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:25 pm
RW!!
Northern Exposure! I’m jealous! I LOVED that show!
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:25 pm
“Packers over 49′ers. Giants over duh Falcons.”
You talking spreads or no spreads? I need at least one solid pick tomorrow. Giants might be a good pick….Indianapolis (-1 1/2) over Baltimore looks like a gift game.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:26 pm
Bruno/ AmWet- Music is like on Friday evening, just sayin…
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:27 pm
So wait, is Lieberman voting with the Democrats? The talk on the street last week was he was gonna filibuster.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:29 pm
“Honestly, who wants to take a stab at the Browns and Lions?”
I try to make it a policy to avoid games with two bad teams involved, but I see Detroit easily covering (-3) at home. The Jets may decide to make a game of it at (+10 1/2) though it’s hard to count on that.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:29 pm
If ESPN is holding true, I take the 49′ers plus 7.
And duh Falcons with 7.
And I’ll give Philly the three, there, I said it.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:29 pm
Andy,
Good music is for all the time. It’s the only time we’re civil with each other, just saying.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:31 pm
Bosch- Lieberman got an excellent parting gift from sanity in excess of a hundred million, I’m guessing.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
10:31 pm
Bosch- Civility is overrated.
See Care, Health.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
10:32 pm
Bosch,
I’ve got it on video too. That was one crazy show but once you knew the characters it was must see TV.
Anybody that knew the show would swear this song was written for the finale but it wasn’t. It was just a song that had already been done and fit perfectly.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:33 pm
RW
Northern Exposure!! I’m not going to ask how that compilation came together. I’ve got schoolhouse rock somewhere. I don’t know what I did with the disc.
I’m sure there’d be some interesting selections come out of a shuffle showdown.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:34 pm
Northern Exposure–great show! Filmed right down from where we went to college…great seeing all the almost forgotten places…
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:36 pm
Bosch
I’m guessing Lieberman saw this and got motivated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:38 pm
“And I’ll give Philly the three, there, I said it.”
On paper, yeah, but they’ve been so inconsistent, especially on the road.
“And duh Falcons with 7.”
Not trusting the Falcon right now either.
Stick with Indy.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:38 pm
RW,
Totally agree. Ya’ know – we don’t agree on anything politically, but our TV choices are right on.
ABM,
School House Rock – how folks of my generation learned the Preamble to the Constitution, and how Bills became law. And, the low down on Westward Expansion.
The Bulldogs are making me nervous.
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
10:39 pm
josef,
I always wondered why they filmed a show set in Alaska in Washington. Would it have been too hard to go just a little north?
Of course I also never understood why the crap show In the Heat of the Night was filmed in Georgia but set in Sparta Mississippi when we had a perfectly good Sparta right here.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:39 pm
ABM,
ZEN moment!
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:41 pm
ABM–
Schoolhouse Rock! Use it with my kids…amazing what they’ll remember…you’ll see ‘em mouthing the lyrics while taking a test…
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:41 pm
UGGGGGHHHHHAAAA!!!
What the hell? It’s because my daughter is there. We are jinxes to the Bulldogs.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:41 pm
On the injury report, Michael Turner is downgraded to doubtful. Without him, I’m thinking Giants.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:42 pm
josef,
8th grade Social Studies test – we had to memorize the Preamble – my sister and I had the right tools.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:43 pm
LOL!!
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:46 pm
RW– we had our moments with Exposure here ’bouts–Unmentionable’s Dad was career military and he lived in Fairbanks for four years growing up…
As for Sparta, Mississippi…that was a real joke for us…it’s a crossroads hamlet up in my part of the state! Actually do know a few folks from there, though…
El Jefe
November 21st, 2009
10:47 pm
Never have I seen so many back stabbing, blood sucking pigs in all my life.
If only one Senator was man enough, this bill would have died tonight.
But, no. Senator Reid bought the votes, twisted arms and most likely threatened Senators to vote for it.
Does it make you proud.
getalife
November 21st, 2009
10:47 pm
Dawgs are going to lose too.
I think Lieberman willl vote no to end the debate and move to the vote.
Unless he got what he wanted too.
This bill will be loaded with goodies.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:47 pm
RW
If my lil girl had a choice, this would be her pick since it’s one of her favorites (can a 15 month old have favorites?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zreFQdnj_YY&feature=related
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:47 pm
Schoolhouse Rock–don’t know why, but their favorite is Conjunction Junction…
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
10:47 pm
My two firm picks are Indy (-1 1/2) over Baltimore and Houston (-4) over the Titans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gHiR1xeOSs
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:48 pm
When I lived in Athens I stopped going to ball games – one because the whole grown men barking thing was just freaky to me, and two every time I showed up at Sanford Stadium – the dogs lost.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:49 pm
getalife,
That LSU game – that was a karma thing.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:52 pm
ABM– Lil’ Bit has my vote! Loved that! And, yes, a 15 month old can definitely have favorites–My own Lil’ One had a thing for Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard…still does…she’d break into dance anytime she heard it!
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:53 pm
josef,
That song would make Andy break out into a jig.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:54 pm
josef
I think it’s the rhyme thing. Kinda like Dr. Seuss. I like that one too and the one about the American Revolution with Paul Revere.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:55 pm
BOSCH–try Mississippi State and the cowbells or the U of Ark “soo-ee, pig, pig, pig…”
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
10:55 pm
Those of you in the betting world should jump all over the Ravens and the Titans.
/Bruno, you don’t understand the power of what I just did for you but don’t respond and just thank me tomorrow afternoon.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
10:58 pm
josef,
“U of Ark “soo-ee, pig, pig, pig…””
That’s just a little too much Deliverance for me. Yeah, there are worse things than barks.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
10:58 pm
ABM–I have the Dr. Seuss collection for MYSELF! Still will pick up one just for the fun of it and my love of language…had a professor of linguistics in college who used Dr. Seuss in his lecture…
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
10:59 pm
josef
There’s a commercial for Dodge that has a nice bassy groove to it. If she hears that commercial she stops whatever she’s doing and dances until the commercial goes off. The strange thing is, however, she’s not doing the normal baby bounce and swing. She actually slow bounces and swings her hips like she’s Patrick Swayze or something. I don’t know whether to be amused or worried, but it’s funny to watch.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
11:01 pm
ABM,
Worried. I have a 13 year old XX human – just saying.
Bosch
November 21st, 2009
11:04 pm
G’night all – going to bed – so sad they’ve let down UGA VII.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:05 pm
That’s just a little too much Deliverance for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gLN3QoN-q8
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:06 pm
BOSCH–Aw! You mean you aren’t a fan of “Deliverance?” We were invited once to be present at an event where Dickey would be present. Unmentionable refused saying it was best he never be that close to him!
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:06 pm
Okay, RW, HEEE’s back!
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:08 pm
“You mean you aren’t a fan of “Deliverance?”
This part is still a classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N40d047u-L8
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:09 pm
BRUNO–
I could have gone all night without THAT!
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
11:11 pm
Good job jo nix. Glad to pass back the baton.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:12 pm
BRUNO
How could such a despicable movie produce such a great piece of music…it just goes to show ya..
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:13 pm
“I could have gone all night without THAT!”
Redemption at 11:08!
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:15 pm
BRUNO–
Redeemed!
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:16 pm
And my other favorite degenerate movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c412hqucHKw
And while I’m at it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_5sQyHnbY4
(language)
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:25 pm
Bruno–another one with some great music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
11:26 pm
Georgia just rolled over. LSU went down. Think I’m gonna call it a night.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:32 pm
“Bruno–another one with some great music…”
Definitely a simpler time and place…..
BTW, josef, blog rumor has it that AmVet and I are the same poster. As a linguist, what would you say the odds of pulling that one off? I say our speech patterns and topic maters are too diverse to emanate from one source.
Angry Black Man
November 21st, 2009
11:38 pm
josef
A little history for today. Thought you’d get a kick out of some of these:
1620 – Pilgrim Fathers reach America: Provincetown Harbor, Mass
1620 – Mayflower Compact signed by Pilgrims in Cape Cod
1824 – 1st Jewish Reform congregation forms, Charleston, SC
1877 – Tom Edison announces his “talking machine” invention (phonograph)
1922 – Rebecca L Felton (Ga) sworn in as 1st female US Senator
1942 – Tweety Bird, aka Tweety Pie, debuts in “Tale of Two Kitties”
1977 – 1st flight of Concorde (London to New York)
1980 – Dallas’ “Who Shot JR?” episode (Kristen) gets a 53.3 rating (83 mill)
1980 – It is revealed Kristen shot J.R. Ewing on “Dallas”
1992 – Oregon Sen Bob Packwood issues apology for unwelcome sexual advances
1995 – Dow Jones closes above 5,000 for 1st time
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:45 pm
BRUNO–
) and your posts show you think about what you’re saying. The grammar, syntax and lexical choices are unique in both instances and are too distinct to be done by a single individual unless s/he is possessed of a dual personality that can be switched on and off at will, since y’all’s posts are too synchronic to be a “work of art!”
I saw that exchange…WHOAH! Y’all are about the last two I would EVER make that claim about. It’s funny you should bring up the linguist angle…that was my first head scratch on the subject…AmVet is a fellow knee-jerk reactionary (hey, AmVet, I DID say “fellow!”
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:46 pm
“1995 – Dow Jones closes above 5,000 for 1st time”
And more than 14,000 approximately 10 years later. Too far, too fast?
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:50 pm
“since y’all’s posts are too synchronic to be a “work of art!”
I guess it’s all good if it keeps people entertained.
Bruno
November 21st, 2009
11:51 pm
New day tomorrow, catch you later.
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:52 pm
ABM–
Lessee–the Pilgrims landed, eh, and American history began,,,nevermind Jamestown had been there for 13 years already— Rebecca Felton? Well, you know the South has always been the “last to catch up…” The Reformed Congregation? Some of mah ances-tuhs wer involved with that…
josef nix
November 21st, 2009
11:58 pm
ABM–oh, yes, and before I forget, and the first Africans had walked down the gangplank in Ole Virginny a year before the first Puritains set foot at Old Cape Cod…but, ssh, we don’t want to disillusion them and make them have to rewrite the history text, now do we?
RW-(the original)
November 21st, 2009
11:59 pm
I saw that exchange
josef,
I hope you know what a blog frisking is. None of us think bruno and shamvet are the same person but a lot of us decided to out bruno for for the phony he is and shamvet was an afterthought which frankly is fitting
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:01 am
Well dammeet! I usually leave out words instead of adding extras.
Night y’all
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:04 am
RW–
Aw, now I like them both and you, too! I even like Whiner… ’bout the only one I don’t particularly care for around here, among the regulars that is, is Taxpayer. G-dd when he’s in his cups tries to pick a fight out of me, but, then, that’s just his way…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:07 am
jo nix,
What can I say?
/deep cut dj’s eat your heart out.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:09 am
Geez…. I should have gone to bed when I said goodnight the first time. To keep from running the risk of botching the link again……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjKGQqy_tYM
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:12 am
RW–
I pretty much like most people. On my bad days I can be a real a**. Some folks just take themselves too seriously.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:18 am
I’m going to have to join the bedtime for Bonzo crowd myself…the adreniline is wearing off and the long,but happy, day is catching up with me…see y’all tomorrow…got a good deal or on-line work scheduled, but hopefully will have some time to play with y’all, too! Sleep tight and don’t let the bedbugs bite…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:18 am
jo nix,
If you’d been around in the ml blog days you’d know I have a bar fight theory of separating acquaintances. I’d put you in the side I want with me and that’s the highest praise I can give to someone I don’t actually know. Just know I’d have your back too.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:30 am
RW–well, you’ve backed me when I wasn’t around to do it myself, and I appreciate that….
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:31 am
Now, g’night for real…
TnGelding
November 22nd, 2009
1:49 am
It don’t mean a thing…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjgiDnmHrnI
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
6:53 am
BoB
We just had 8 solid years of “conservative” control of the Gov. and your pie in the sky description of:
“And the conservative side would be a thriving free market type government that lets their people decide what to with their own money.”
That doesn’t even come close to describing the results…
That’s what’s so scary about you flat earther nut sacks, you cannot recognize failure from your own, and you see failure in anything not of your “tribe”…
Again, this yet another non issue that, despite all Rush and Beck and Hannity the videographer have tried to sell you, won’t make a bit of difference in any of your day to day lives…
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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@@
November 22nd, 2009
7:03 am
‘Ya know, I kinda missed this one last night…
If it will ease your mind a little, you can always go back to the old W2W
No idea why, but I read that as WW2 blog. What the heck were a bunch of guys (assuming they are, but sometimes…the swappin’ slobber stuff makes me wonder) talkin’ ’bout over there? Breast cancer, and how it impacts black women…
White women have higher breast cancer rates overall, but black women get the disease more often before age 40. They also tend to have more aggressive cancers and lower survival rates. That concerns Dr. Marisa Weiss, a Philadelphia oncologist. She tells host Guy Raz how the breast screening recommendations released this week by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force could have an especially rough impact on black women.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120652943
African Americans, once again, given the short straw thru dem’s policies. And AA WOMEN, at that!!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:05 am
Good morning Lord Help Us, a little foamy this morning?
~~~~~
Correction-
And so it came to pass that Landrieu walked onto the Senate floor midafternoon Saturday to announce her aye vote — and to trumpet the financial “fix” she had arranged for Louisiana. “I am not going to be defensive,” she declared. “And it’s not a $100 million fix. It’s a $300 million fix.”-Washington Post
I get it now, if you want to pilfer the US Treasury, you just sit around telling your fellow democrats no on their vanity rubbing legislation, then they bribe you using astronomical amounts of tax payer/ play dollars.
Sounds like the Third World to me.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
7:13 am
I saw that $300 million to Landrieu this morning. I couldn’t help but remember my father-in-law who played high-stakes poker at some outta site locations. The guy who ran the games made big bucks. HECK! all comers had to pay for a chair where they waited to get in the game. They were paying to watch the huge pots being pulled.
Everyone eventually got in the game.
When it comes to this bill, the taxpayer is just left to sit and watch….never making it to the table.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:14 am
Senate Democrats pushed ahead with President Barack Obama’s vision of health reform Saturday night – after a day that exposed significant divides in the party that could make it all but impossible to complete work on a plan by year’s end, or even sink the bill altogether.-Politico
Apparently Politico doesn’t understand that every democrat has a price and $300,000,000.00 is the gold standard just to open the debate.
The way that Reed/Pelosi/Obozo are giving away money/ our children’s future, I’ll bet there are fifty nine democrats that changed their vote to “no.”
Open the bidding.
Let the graft begin.
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
7:18 am
I’d much rather our tax dollars go to the states than Halliburton and Blackwater…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
7:27 am
“What the heck were a bunch of guys (assuming they are, but sometimes…the swappin’ slobber stuff makes me wonder) talkin’ ’bout over there? Breast cancer, and how it impacts black women…”
@@–Think of it this way, the best night of the week for a guy to go to a bar is on ladies night. My previous blog name was Dog.
W2W didn’t focus exclusively on women’s issues. It’s greatest advantage is that two opposing points of view were presented, so not a one-sided Lib love fest like Jay’s can be at times.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
7:30 am
“If you’d been around in the ml blog days you’d know I have a bar fight theory of separating acquaintances.”
Didn’t realize that blogging was all about picking sides.
“Some folks just take themselves too seriously.”
See above.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:31 am
The skeptics have seized upon the e-mails stolen from the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia in Britain as evidence that scientific data have been rigged to make it appear as if humans are causing global warming. The researchers, however, say the e-mails have been taken out of context and merely reflect an honest exchange of ideas. -Urinal
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.-Sample Email
Honest exchange of fraudulent data is more like it.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:36 am
Iran will begin largescale air defense war games today aimed at protecting its nuclear facilities from possible attack, a senior military commander said Saturday, reflecting the country’s concern that Israel could make good on threats to strike militarily, yay!
The five-day drill will involve Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guard and the regular army and will cover 230,000 square miles of central, western and southern Iran, said air force Gen. Ahmad Mighani. -Urinal
The Urinal almost seems protective of Iran’s nuclear bomb making program.
They haven’t huffed and puffed like this^^ since Saddam Hussein defending Baghdad.
Israel should take this for a green light to attack.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
7:37 am
And faulty data:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=stumbling-over-data
Here’s a link to your story, Reporter:
http://tgdaily.com/security-features/44763-hackers-steal-confidential-global-warming-data
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
7:40 am
MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
7:40 am
GO BIG BLUE!!!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:41 am
“My vote should in no way be construed by the supporters of this current framework as an indication of how I might vote on the final bill,” said Landrieu- Urinal
Translation- I need another 300 million.
ew
@@
November 22nd, 2009
7:49 am
Bluto:
Ladies night at a bar (visual) contact. A woman’s blog (virtual reality) ?contact?
Maybe all the guys over there were thinking like you. Maybe you were discussing issues (women’s or otherwise) with other guys? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Blogs (chatrooms) are blogs. Life is reality. Never the t’ween shall meet.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:58 am
That’s certainly true of the decades-long battle for reproductive rights, another chapter in women’s never-ending struggle to achieve full personhood.-Queen Pinko, Urinal
“Full personhood,” ahh, yes, something tells me the race card is getting harder and harder to play and we had better invent something new to base our career on.
Sorry but the “personhood” dog ain’t gonna hunt.
I’d offer some suggestions to help if I was feeling paranoid this morning but alas, I am not of the right mindset.
How about full personhood rights to the unborn child, instead of being ripped apart in it’s mother’s womb?
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:03 am
“Blogs (chatrooms) are blogs. Life is reality. Never the t’ween shall meet.”
Which is why I usually blog a few times per week maximum.
Occasionally people do meet through blogs, though that is not my goal.
To be honest, when I first started blogging, I came to start fights with liberals, ala Reporter. W2W was the most liberal site I could find, though Jay’s is probably about equal now that I’m here. Eventually it became more of a social thing. I don’t think any politicians have ever changed a vote based on the ajc blogs.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
8:04 am
Happy Sabbath (Black or otherwise).
It would seem that my little cadre of the AmVet obsessed had BIG fun and much discussion/analysis yesterday in my absence.
Bruno, I hope you find it as funny as I that we are now apparently Dan Fogelberg and Tim Weisberg!
MUCH more important work demanded my absence – Camacho cigars, LaGunitas Brown Sugar and Grade A redhair…
(Andy, no true beer drinker would ever allow that cheap, watered down, almost Dutch swill, that even they won’t drink, to touch their lips…jeez, man ask for help when you need it.)
From those aforementioned treasures of American music…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie_MGY4cgnA
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:11 am
“Bruno, I hope you find it as funny as I that we are now apparently Dan Fogelberg and Tim Weisberg!”
I think there may be some who take the whole blogging thing a little too seriously, buddy.
Another great morning breaker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ESHjYat9rk
jt
November 22nd, 2009
8:18 am
A sincere public services announcement-
When in the course of natural events, it becomes too embarrassing to be a global warmer(duped again),
here is a way out.
All fossel-fuels have natural lubricant properties. These fuels retain their lubricant properties even in the gaseous state. Therefore, the burning of these fuels are filling the earth’s thin atmosphere with un-natural amounts of lubricants, which in turn, is causeing the earth to spin more rapidly in space.
This is called GLOBAL ACCELERATION.
Studies show that THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE in global spin. This would explain earthquakes and stronger tropical storms, and even the overpopulation of polar bears.
Henry Waxman is aware of the situation.
More money is needed to study this life-threatening phenomena.
You heard it here first.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
8:21 am
Well, AmVet….I must say, the image of you as PopEye did make me chuckle. Bulging forearms attributed to your intense hammering away on the keyboard. Then there’s your love for the spin…..natch.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
8:26 am
Normal, I stand beside you, my brother.
Stop the war. NOW.
You know that everybody has a voice
And how they use it is their own free choice
In your glory I will not rejoice
If you choose the ways of war
If you choose the ways of war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGQNEz-WEQ
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:28 am
AmVet–You asked a few days ago what the Republican Party could do to attract more voters. If I were Party Chairman, I would suggest the following:
(1) Return to true conservative values such as limited government, fiscal responsibility, individual freedom/responsibility.
(2) Stay out of people’s personal lives. Accept that abortion is here to stay regardless of your personal feelings about it.
(3) Distance the party from religious extremists. It’s not worth alienating the middle to appeal to the far right. And that doesn’t mean compromising conservative principles. Strict “constructionists” respect the non-establishment clause IMO.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:30 am
“Therefore, the burning of these fuels are filling the earth’s thin atmosphere with un-natural amounts of lubricants, which in turn, is causeing the earth to spin more rapidly in space.”
Does that mean if I breathe in enough, my joints will stay lubricated?
TnGelding
November 22nd, 2009
8:35 am
Our cup runneth over…
Folks, be extra generous during this special season.
Don’t eat too much turkey. Don’t eat too much ham.
Remember those that will be feasting on Spam.
And will later sneak away for a relaxing smoke,
And a sip of moonshine to head off a stroke.
jt
November 22nd, 2009
8:35 am
Bruno
“Does that mean if I breathe in enough, my joints will stay lubricated?”
Possibly. Global Acceleration also explains the increase of obesity.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:37 am
“Normal, I stand beside you, my brother. Stop the war. NOW.”
I probably could add:
(4) Return to a more limited foreign policy. Following 9/11, some type of military response was required, IMO, but 2 long dragged wars cannot be considered a great outcome. I do see benefits in knocking Saddam out of power, but it came at a huge price. I am of the mindset that radical Islam must be dealt with from the outside because the Muslim world doesn’t have the political will to do it from within.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:38 am
For reference, jt, are you also the poster who goes by j$ ?
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:41 am
Tn–Bread-based or cornbread-based stuffing? In the bird or in a pan?
Those two questions alone tell you whether someone is from the North or the South.
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2009
8:43 am
I certainly am glad that people are here to point out how holdout legislators are offered deals that make otherwise unpleasant legislation more palatable to them.
Boy howdy, that bit of sausage construction had escaped everyone’s eye during the previous 220 years of American lawmaking.
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2009
8:46 am
Accept that abortion is here to stay regardless of your personal feelings about it.
Kind of hard to put that toothpaste back in the tube. Nearly two generations of hard-righties have become convinced they’re modern day abolitionists. With all the attendant fundraising mechanisms in place.
That said, Bruno, you continue to interest me with your oft-rational approach to things.
TnGelding
November 22nd, 2009
8:47 am
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:41 am
I’ll take it either way.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:50 am
“I’ll take it either way.”
We’ll be sure to take that one in the context it was intended, Tn.
“you continue to interest me with your oft-rational approach to things.”
The highest compliment I ever got was a high school yearbook tribute “To an A+ student who actually has some sense”.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
8:52 am
B, thanks for that.
IMHO, this GOP is in many (most?) ways the very antithesis of what I consider true American conservatism. And has been for decades.
I have contended for many years conservatism is NOT using our unilateral economic and military power to force our system of values, government etc into other countries. And to your point, we are NOT a theocracy whereby the Christian missionaries of the the United States government are commanded to spread the joyous news to the four corners of the earth.
This has been perhaps the greatest and deadliest folly of the faux conservatives.
BTW, I too cheered on GWB when he smoked those homicidal Taliban scumbags.
But then he made a gargantuan mistake – he stayed.
There are, of course, many, many other examples – foreign and domestic – of clear non-conservatism in the policies of the current Republican Party.
Though almost none of those who label themselves such, would year after year after year even acknowledge it.
I just find this hijacked GOP to be geopolitically, economically and socially unrealistic and dangerously dogmatic…
Unfortunately, the alternative is really not alternative.
Therefore I will continue to advocate for a return of power, real power, to the sovereign people…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:52 am
And a cheerful good a.m. to one and all…
Bruno–bread based and not cornbread based! Infidel! Need you even ask? Sides, bread IS cornbread, that light, airy, cakey stuff is white bread or light bread!
RW–forgot to tell you last night, I don’t care very much for N-GA either…
AmVet–and how’s the knee this a.m.?
TnGelding–good to see you…we seem to be on different schedules these days
jt–O-si-yo!
@@–Hey, love… hope you’re have a two emoticon a.m.
Whiner–howdy-do! Good to see you’re up and at ‘em
Rightwing Troll–don’t know you very well yet, but a cheery a.m. all the same
NORMAL–and, last but not least, how the h are ya?
larry
November 22nd, 2009
8:53 am
I am still waiting on someone to explain to my children that 1.3 trillion dollar boondoggle tax cut that was passed earlier this decade. Its funny, the previous adminstration spent 5.6 trillion dollars and now the neocons wake up and worry about my children.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:54 am
STB–
Oops…posted that before you showed up…always glad to see you!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
8:57 am
(2) Stay out of people’s personal lives. Accept that abortion is here to stay regardless of your personal feelings about it.
The people of the United States are majority pro life and have voted consistently against gay marriage 70%-30%, so please do explain how this will attract more voters to the Republican Party, AmWet, er, I mean Bruno.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
8:57 am
Stands for DitzyBull:
Just curious…when Roe v Wade became accepted law, did you ever anticipate that the government would be funding (thru Planned Parenthood) abortion on such a massive scale? Did you also anticipate that it would morph into late-term abortion. Did you stop to think that government sanctioned abortions would have such a dire impact on our economy?
Fewer people, fewer resources to fund government excess?
I sure didn’t, but here we are…facing the unintended consequences. And don’t give me that crap about babies not cared for. Encouraging traditional values, as opposed to leftist values would have gone a long way in insuring that they were.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:58 am
Bruno–your A+ student comment brought back a memory of my own from the high school yearbook…one of my peers was telling me what a great guy I was and wrote “nobody’d ever know you were so smart!”
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
8:59 am
“Therefore I will continue to advocate for a return of power, real power, to the sovereign people…”
Any practical suggestions about how to go about doing that? Can you forsee a Nader type party ever gaining the critical mass necessary to elect a candidate. The Libertarian Party is stuck on 2-5%. Ross Perot got nearly 20% if I recall correctly.
Would a revamped Republican Party (Party of Eisenhower, for example) ever win your vote?
david wayne osedach
November 22nd, 2009
9:01 am
I am flabbergasted that it got so far so fast. National healthcare reform might even pass in 2010.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:01 am
@@
As you know, I try to stay out of the abortion as a means of birth control argument, having no friends on either side, but when it comes down to raising a child who came here unplanned and under circumstances my liberal friends want to cite…well, me and Unmentionable DID raise one and I DO have some opinions on that one…if you’ve done it, we’ll talk, if you haven’t shut up…
@@
November 22nd, 2009
9:03 am
Bruno:
May I assume that the W2W blog is no more? If not, what happened to it?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
9:03 am
Americans “hate” Conservative positions and consider them to be “extremist” but democrat politicians always campaign as Conservatives because people vote that way.
Now you know why liberals have to twist some much to get people to vote for them.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:04 am
BRUNO–
If Ross Perot (lemme telya sumpin’) had kept the alien invasion of his daughter’s wedding quiet, he might have really made an impact…
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
9:05 am
Bruno, there are numerous ways to retake what is rightfully ours.
The National Initiative would be a HUGE step in the right direction:
“The people can never willfully betray their own interests, but they may possibly be betrayed by the representatives of the people.” – The Federalist No. 63
Trust by Americans in nearly all institutions of power—with some temporary rallies now and then, to be sure, as after 9/11—has been in decline for nearly half a century.
Today Americans rate Congress, the Presidency, the courts, politics in general, the press, corporations, and both the Democratic and Republican Parties at levels lower than during most of Watergate.
In a political system choking on bipartisan corruption, in the midst of an incumbent-ocracy protection racket, there are only two stark alternatives:
We can trust the same parties and the same institutions to reform themselves, to bring change where they have promised it for decades, and not delivered.
Or we can take matters into our own hands, reform the system, and reclaim our rights to legislate. It is in our name, after all – “we the people”—that the powers of the constitution itself are delegated.
The way it works is pretty simple.
Whenever there’s an issue people feel strongly about—health care, the war in Iraq, election laws—people can force a national vote on a proposal for change.
Sponsors – who could be any number of citizens—simply gather, under enabling procedures, enough signatures to show that the idea has some reasonable level of support, and the matter is placed on the national agenda.
In some cases, Congress, seeing that there is going to be a vote on this matter anyway, may actually get off the dime and seek to enact the law without even having to have a national vote.
If Congress doesn’t act, however—or if it enacts an outrageous law that people want to reverse—then a sufficient petition drive will automatically bring about a national debate and a direct national vote by the people –- if the petition is successful.
This already happens in nearly half the states, and in several dozen countries for particular questions. The system is used to the greatest extent in Switzerland—which is widely respected for its excellence in democratic governance.
Switzerland has been praised as such by observers as diverse as Tocqueville, Bryce, and, in contemporary times, Ron Paul, Bill Bradley, and Ronald Reagan.
Switzerland is rightly termed, by Senator Mike Gravel, “the greatest democratic republic” in the history of the world.
What would this proposal do?
Several things.
First, it would break the national logjam on many issues that have never been resolved—some of them over decades—and which tend not to be resolved by the self-interested incumbents of both parties.
Furthermore, it would take significant power out of the hands of lobbyists, White House aides, network television executives, congressional committee chairmen, and other particular elites—and spread it over the American people.
One way of viewing it is, there would be a new check and balance—and a spur—added to our three branches of government.
The National Initiative would give Americans the kind of effective choice and participation in decision-making that we enjoy in most spheres of our lives – purchasing our own food, renting a hotel room, bidding on Ebay—but not, paradoxically, in our own political system.
If you like Senator Obama’s policy on the war, but Senator McCain’s position on taxes, or you like Mr. Nader’s healthcare plan but not some of his other proposals, you no longer have to choose to swallow one bitter pill or another.
You can elect the persons you believe have the highest character, and then support and oppose them on particular issues as they arise.
Flowing from this—from the fact that each American, as one writer has put it, would now “be, in some sense, a member of Congress”—we would see a revival and renaissance of citizenship and citizen activism not seen, sadly, in many decades.
Having power—having a check on their political elites—having a reason to be active and informed—Americans would be active and informed.
In general, when Americans are given choices and have the power to make decisions, they are highly responsible and informed.
“Freedom,” said the ancient Roman lawyer Cicero, “is participation in power.”
Some people may fear that Americans are not wise enough to make such choices responsibly. Or that direct democracy will become a threat to minority rights—a fear aptly refuted by Alexander Keyssar of Harvard and Gregory Fossedal of the Tocqueville Institution, among others.
To this understandable hesitation, we need only ask: compared to what?
Compared to a Congress that votes on laws it hasn’t even read, written by lobbyists, while bottling up others without even a vote, for decades?
Compared to a bipartisan White House-Congressional Empire that has now launched at least eight wars since World War II, without ever declaring one?
We may rather say, paraphrasing Winston Churchill, that a system of lawmaking by the people is likely to be the worst ever seen—except for all of the conceivable alternatives.
http://www.nationalinitiative.us/
and
http://ni4d.us/
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:07 am
“The people of the United States are majority pro life and have voted consistently against gay marriage 70%-30%, so please do explain how this will attract more voters to the Republican Party,”
In my mind, they are two separate issues and don’t see any benefit/necessity to link them. As for the abortion part, while a majority of people (including myself) oppose abortion, a similar majority does not want it to return to a black market procedure. Gay marriage? I don’t equate gay marriage with traditional marriage (sorry, josef), but fully promote civil unions to insure equal legal protections for gay couples.
“Just curious…when Roe v Wade became accepted law, did you ever anticipate that the government would be funding (thru Planned Parenthood) abortion on such a massive scale? Did you also anticipate that it would morph into late-term abortion. Did you stop to think that government sanctioned abortions would have such a dire impact on our economy?”
@@–I oppose any tax money being used to fund OR promote abortion, but can’t support it becoming illegal. Let the Libs fund poor women’s abortions via charity if they are so passionate about it.
jt
November 22nd, 2009
9:11 am
Bruno-
I am not. I only post under one name.
Josef-
O-si-yo Asayga.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:13 am
“May I assume that the W2W blog is no more? If not, what happened to it?”
Originally, a woman named Diane (the Lib) teamed up with Shaunti (the Con) using a point-counterpoint style. Diane was an aggressive businesswoman and pushed to get them syndicated nationwide. In July, 2007, however, Diane passed away suddenly from cancer. her replacement was ok, but everyone missed Diane and the readership fell. It got axed in late May, and the few remaining regulars came here primarily, some assuming new blog names.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:14 am
Bruno–
I’m probably in the same corner with you than you might think. I’m opposed to a state sanction of “marriage.” The state is in the civil union business for legal purposes. When straight folks go to a civil union license bureau instead of a marriage license bureau, I’ll go for it…if after 35 years of forsaking all others me and Unmentionable ain’t “married” I’d like to know who is…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:17 am
“Some people may fear that Americans are not wise enough to make such choices responsibly. Or that direct democracy will become a threat to minority rights—a fear aptly refuted by Alexander Keyssar of Harvard and Gregory Fossedal of the Tocqueville Institution, among others.”
Interesting ideas, Am. Not sure how well I trust my fellow Americans to make informed choices (see Nov, 2008), but you have a point about bottlenecks and special interests. It seems like a radical step forward. Is there any momentum in that direction?
“one of my peers was telling me what a great guy I was and wrote “nobody’d ever know you were so smart!”
That’s possibly an even higher compliment, josef, one I have received on occasion.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
9:18 am
Yes, B a resurrected GOP essentially free of neo-cons and chickenhawks would be very inviting to me. And I have said so repeatedly.(And WTF, Repubs, how about getting some bright young veterans/battle-tested moderates in your ranks??? Is there some secret rule prohibiting that?)
To your question about third parties, ONLY after the American Politburo is dismantled will we have a competitive democracy.
The four main parties of which are – the Republican National Committee, the Democratic National Committee, the corporate owned mainstream media and the Commission on Presidential Debates.
In self-serving and highly profitable collusion they effectively silence ALL other voices in this nation.
So with their inestimable “help”, we end up with the worst government that dirty money can buy.
And to date very few Americans even are willing to look at this problem.
Take a poll here for example. You’ll either lip service to this issue or blanket indictments that all third party candidates are “loons”.
But there is always hope, my friend. And not the fake type promoted by our current occupier fo the West Wing…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:20 am
“if after 35 years of forsaking all others me and Unmentionable ain’t “married” I’d like to know who is…”
Which is where my practical side comes in. My sister is in the same boat. For some reason, folks still exist who view homosexuality as somehow being strictly a “chosen” lifestyle, while I believe it is primarily biological in nature. Not sure if that is THE critical distinction between supporters and naysayers, but I’ve always noticed that correlation.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:26 am
“Take a poll here for example. You’ll either lip service to this issue or blanket indictments that all third party candidates are “loons”.
I’m probably more on the lip service side of the survey, though did vote for Perot twice. Unfortunately, as josef referenced above, Ross quickly reinforced the “loon” label.
“I am not. I only post under one name.”
You have far better musical tastes than j$.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:27 am
jt–
Was web surfing and ran into this one…thought of you…
http://localmalcontent.blogspot.com/
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
9:28 am
Grand morning to y’all! I’ve been trying to find high(low)lights of last nights Ga-Ky game. As you might know, I’m a Kentuckian and our genes are such that we bleed Big Blue. I fell asleep at halftime and was surprised to learn the ‘Cats won the game.
Anyway, AmVet, ABM, Bruno, Josef, you guys along with Bosch, Paul, my heartthrob Dusty, and Scooter are the reason I keep coming back. I don’t do angry very well, negative vibes and all, but all y’all make me laugh, think, and reaffirm that while we can disagree, we don’t have to be snotty about it. Good on ya.
Now on to important stuff: Stuffing, has to be cornbread, but I do in and out of the bird. The out portion in the roasting pan with the bird. Yummy.
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
9:30 am
Oh, and lots of onion and pork sausage. The insides chopped up into the “inside the bird” dressing, except for the liver…thats my treat!
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:31 am
Normal–I’m at the mercy of whoever is cooking. The nomad life is for me.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:32 am
Bruno–
The chosen argument has always been a funny one to me…did whoever “choose” to be straight? Now, I’m perfectly happy with who I am and, all in all, am fairly well adjusted (okay, okay…but I’d be warped otherwise even if I were straight!), but if why in the world would somebody “choose” to go through life dealing with all the garbage gay folks go through? I’m like one of the gay activists who said, “If I could choose, I be a straight, six-foot, upper middle class, good looking 26 year old Swede..”
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
9:36 am
Josef, twisted I can believe. That’s your best side!
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:38 am
“(okay, okay…but I’d be warped otherwise even if I were straight!)”
And me if I were gay, most likely.
While no definitive “gay gene” has been identified, some biological differences exist. One study iced it in my mind: Straight and gay people were presented with rapidly flashing images of naked men and women, and eye responses were measured. That is something completely at the reflex level, neurologically speaking.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:39 am
Bruno–
I took a second (positive) look at Perot when he came out against NAFTA as formulated, “lemme telya sumpin. If I can get the same work for $1 an hour in Mexico that I pay $8 an hour for in the US, whatchu thank I’m gonna do? I’m a bidnessman. It may be good for me, but it’s not good for America.” If he’d've said the aliens had come down in DC…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:41 am
Before they respond, I’m going to predict that both @@ and Reporter say that homosexuality is strictly a choice. RW, I couldn’t be sure of his response, but would put him in the biology camp.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:42 am
Bruno– the brain studies have turned up some interesting things, too…seems in gay men that part of the brain which deals with language and that part that deals with the aesthetic are more highly developed…we really ARE more sensitive
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:45 am
Keeping my preditctions to myself right now. I’ll see how close I was…
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
9:56 am
Oooooo…
had to fix something from above…
I am of the mindset that the radical GOP must be dealt with from the outside because the Conservative world doesn’t have the political will to do it from within.
Ahhh, words of truth to grow by… much better…
md
November 22nd, 2009
9:57 am
“Let the Libs fund poor women’s abortions via charity if they are so passionate about it.”
They are and they do – its just never their money.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
9:59 am
“…we really ARE more sensitive”
Just last night, Reporter was claiming to have special powers of sensitivity. Ya think he might be……??
Another selection for this AM:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1JmrHlXf04&feature=related
jconservative
November 22nd, 2009
9:59 am
Just for the record. The Democrats only have 58 senators. One Democrat pretending to be Independent, Sanders of Vermont, caucuses with the Democrats. And one Republican pretending to be a Democrat, Lieberman, also caucuses with the Democrats.
—————
You guys have a nice discussion/debate on abortion going. I have enjoyed reading your comments. I am one of the do not approve group but believe it is none of the Federal governments’ business. State business to be decided by the citizens of each state.
But I also have a problem with abandoning the health of the baby while in the womb & abandoning the health of the baby after birth. If the State takes responsibility and says that life begins at conception, then the State cannot say that its responsibility ends at birth. The State must insure the health of the baby after birth.
Enjoy your Sunday.
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:02 am
Personally I don’t care why people are gay, it’s a non issue. Looking at some of the pathologies on display here daily, I wonder why people are Republican.
Choice or Biological… I mean who actually CHOOSES to be so delusional and ignore the truths around them, instead choosing to focus on all “that could” happen if they don’t get thier way?… Oh wait, small children, and the mentally deficient…
Who can actually look at the years from 2000 to 2008 and say “Oh yeah! gimmee some more of that”????
While I’m less than thrilled with Obama and Co., they were really the only choice we had… 4 more years of incompetence and disaster, or take a chance on a change???
md
November 22nd, 2009
10:05 am
“4 more years of incompetence and disaster, or take a chance on a change???”
Looks like we got the former instead of the later.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:05 am
Instant goosebumps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XAiuK2XjA8
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:05 am
jconservative,
That has to be one of the best positions on abortion I have ever seen. Succinct and to the point.
Count me in. Let the states and their citizens decide the issue, and also take responsibility for what they’ve imposed…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:09 am
“Count me in. Let the states and their citizens decide the issue, and also take responsibility for what they’ve imposed…”
Last time I checked, assistance is available for indigent children. No new mechanisms needed to achieve your “after-birth” safety net. Unless you’re talking about an expanded socialistic system.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
10:09 am
jconservative–
I keep trying to tell my fellow liberals that their dance on the grave of the GOP might be somewhat premature…there’s still some kick in that dead horse…
Bruno–
Whiner and sensitivity! Say it ain’t so! BTW on the Doobie Bros…last night a ten year old got on the piano and did a couple of selections from them!
Normal–
Warped and twisted? Takes one to know one!
RW–okay, finally, not me or you at the top!
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:11 am
In honor of RightWIng Troll’s socialistic aspirations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KP-6_Skr0w&feature=related
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:12 am
Took a chance on an unknown quantity, and we see the results.
But, unlike the clairvoyants here on J B’s blog, who seem to know that everything Obama does will not only be a failure, but a spectacular failure, we had a solid track record to go by with McCain/Palin… Change HAD to happen and the 2008 GOP candidates were the faces of the same ol’ same ol’… stay the course, mission accomplished and all that…
For that reason, the GOP has to take it’s share of responsibility for today, as well as it’s share of the responsibility for 2000-2008.
Barney Frank did not put us where we are today, no matter how much you want to thrash about and claim it as the gospel truth.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
10:13 am
On abortion–ultimately it’s a woman’s decision, not a man’s, and is between her, her physician and her G-d. The state probably never should have entered into it to begin with…pretty much anywhere the state steps, a mess is sure to follow, in my opinion…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:15 am
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 21st, 2009
6:17 pm
“Bruno- I am very good at sensing people’s sincerity and you have none”
Such a sensitive, caring boy.
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:15 am
Ahhhhh… I see Bruno has turned it’s guns on me…
Fire away my friend, I laugh in your general direction…
I won’t be around to engage in tit-for-tat because, unlike those that live here, I have a life… I will check in later for some humor value…
Bud Wiser
November 22nd, 2009
10:16 am
Good morning all.
This just in: The price of buying a cheap woman in New Orleans has just gone up…Mary Landrieu pulled in about $100 million or so, thus the hookers in New Orleans are meeting as we speak to decide on a new ‘price list’.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:17 am
One more Doobie selection, dedicated to josef. Change lyrics as needed to fit your situation with your partner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqDP3UcehiU&feature=related
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:19 am
The doobies were a hair before my time, but I do love the classics…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
10:19 am
Bud Wiser @ 10:16
Thass funny, I don’t care who you are…
Right Wing Troll–
Working and making money as we blabber…
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:22 am
As a matter of fact, I think if Bruno and I were to ever sit down and compare notes, we’d be in agreement on 90-98% of the issues we all argue about here on a daily basis.
I’ve just spent most of my life here in the bible belt, and don’t trust the Uber-religious, I have found that louder someone yells about being a man of god, the more likely they are not. And that’s what drives the GOP, the loudest yellers about being godly…
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:23 am
Phone sex operator?
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
10:28 am
Bruno–Thanks…
Rightwing Troll–
Have to agree on the uber religious, although I’d use the word pious…I tell folks who are surprized when they “find out” I’m a believer, “well, I religious, not pious.”
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:30 am
“we’d be in agreement on 90-98% of the issues we all argue about here on a daily basis. ”
We also reportedly share 95% of our DNA with chimps. That 5% can be critical sometimes, RWT, as witnessed by your Obama vote.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
10:31 am
B, lots of great Doobies.
My favorite pedal-steel laced “C & W” song of theirs…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6duQEtS4Ig&feature=related
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:33 am
Ouch!!!!
Being that I’m not a flat-earther and believe in science, I can’t disagree with that assessment.
All I can say is even a chimp could tell you that 2000-2008 was a disaster, and that this country didn’t need anymore of the same…
Kamchak
November 22nd, 2009
10:33 am
RC
(R–apoi)
If you stop by here before you and Mrs. RC (R–apoi) strap on the Ryan’s feedbag, this song by Eddie Arnold was my father’s favorite. It’s not Hank Sr., but I’m dedicating it to my da.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:35 am
“My favorite pedal-steel laced “C & W” song of theirs…”
The whole Captain N Me album is phenomenal. Brings back some great partying memories.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:36 am
“Being that I’m not a flat-earther and believe in science, I can’t disagree with that assessment.”
Before you get on any science rants, you better check with Taxpayer. He got his butt kicked last Wed night.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
10:38 am
G’morning everyone
Lemme put my $.02 in this morning.
Abortion: Personally, I don’t believe in it. However, I don’t think the government has a right to tell a woman what she can and can not do with her body. That decision should be left to the woman, doctor, and her personal G*d. I’m amazed in how fanatical the party of “personal freedoms” campaigns to take that personal freedom away from a woman. It reminds me of a law that was passed in Alabama a while back that made possession of personal sex toys illegal. With so much other crap going on, the state legislators decided it was best to legislate what goes on in peoples’ bedrooms. Simply Amazing.
Healthcare: Let the idiots debate until their faces turn blue. Maybe something good will come out of it. Then again, we are talking about Congress, so I doubt anything good will come from that effort.
Hope everyone enjoys their Thanksgiving holiday. And watch out for those Friday morning stampedes if you go shopping.
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:41 am
Did someone here upbraid Taxpayer for believing in science? Or are you refering to the discussion about high tension wires, because that got real boring real fast and I didn’t really read much of it.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:42 am
Well, brother Am, I guess it’s about time we had some of our own church service. I’ll lead the congregation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPslBGjuRL0&feature=related
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:43 am
“Shine”
Give me a word
Give me a sign
Show me where to look
Tell me what will I find
Lay me on the ground
Fly me in the sky
Show me where to look
Tell me what will I find
Oh, heaven let your light shine down
Love is in the water
Love is in the air
Show me where to look
Tell me will love be there
Teach me how to speak
Teach me how to share
Teach me where to go
Tell me will love be there
Oh, heaven let your light shine down
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:44 am
BTW, that was on page 4:20 in your hymnals.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
10:44 am
jconservative
I agree with you that the fed should not be deciding issues about abortion and I REALLY appreciate you calling it “abortions.” The semantics of the left is frightening at best and deceptive at worst.
Abortions had been legal long before Roe v Wade. But they were legal in certain states and districts. I think there were only a couple of states and DC that allowed that procedure. Roe v Wade made it a Federal issue and forced it to be legal in all 50 states and all of our territories. I don’t know whether you knew that or not.
The health of the baby is not abandoned at birth. If the income of the parents is below $14,400/year, the baby is automatically on medicaid. One of the better things about the House Health Bill is that rate will rise to a little over $19.000/year. I certainly don’t have a problem with that.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
10:45 am
josef
Saw your comments late last night. We don’t want to turn the establishment on it’s ear with that info, do we? I don’t think some people could handle the truth.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
10:45 am
rightwing troll–
I couldn’t participate in the science-technology set-to, being a total idiot that direction, but I did have a set-to with him on the matter of book burning, which he seemed in favor of, before it was put on hold, I got an earful of just what my problems were…cheaper than a shrink, though….
jt
November 22nd, 2009
10:48 am
calling me “a known, local malcontent….”
Global malcontent.
md
November 22nd, 2009
10:49 am
“All I can say is even a chimp could tell you that 2000-2008 was a disaster, and that this country didn’t need anymore of the same…”
And it certainly didn’t need an unbalanced gov’t, in either direction. There is still hope for Barry, but the dems in congress gotta go for him to have a chance or this country will implode under the mountain of unsustainable debt.
And for the folks who look at the painting from one side of the room, that debt was brought on by both parties, but the question will be which one wants to fix the problem as it exists.
md
November 22nd, 2009
10:51 am
I agree with many here that abortion is a choice, but I do not agree on your timeline.
The choice for many starts with opening ones legs, excuse lead to the choice of abortion.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
10:53 am
And for our concluding hymn today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QI_lQjf1eo
“Keep up your spirit, keep up your faith….”
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
10:56 am
ABM
**I’m amazed in how fanatical the party of “personal freedoms” campaigns to take that personal freedom away from a woman. **
We are talking about the intentional death of an unborn child. I could not imagine a more important subject. But as I have said, I understand with our open culture, we do need to kill off a percentage of our population. So abortions, as disgusting as they are, need to exist.
I believe that once an unborn child becomes “self aware”, that an abortion should take place only with a court order, after a medical board has determined that it should proceed. Needless to say, if it is an emergency procedure, it needs to be done much more quickly, but that same board should have the power to review the procedure to make sure that the emergency was authentic.
Self awareness is easily detectable by several tests. It usually happens just after the first trimester, but not always. This would prevent the cruel and inhuman treatment brought on these innocent family members and American citizens by the brutal killing of that feeling child in their mother’s womb.
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
10:57 am
Too early in the AM for 4:20 my man…
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
10:59 am
md
I can’t argue with your 10:51. Hopefully it won’t get to the point that you’re accused of aborting a life by saying no to a female’s/male’s advances.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
10:59 am
Morning NIF,
I don’t really feel like wading into this discussion about legal abortions, as I have my views on that topic clear on this blog.
But as a lexophile (a neologism BTW) I am interested in your point about the semantics.
Do you find the term “pro-life” deceptive?
I truly think the term anti-abortion is less disingenuous, don’t you?
And I too find that entire “right wingers don’t care about the baby after it is born” argument a canard…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:02 am
ABM–morning to ya, sir…on last p.m. and beyond the official story…check elsewhere…
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:05 am
Bruno,
I like your church hymns. I can actually sing along to those.
I did not know about Diane at the W2W blog – when did that happen? I read those columns – never participated in the blog, but I used to like their columns. The last time I saw their blog it had gotten spammed. Anyway, that’s really horrible.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:06 am
“which one wants to fix the problem as it exists.:
Neither.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
11:07 am
NIF
My whole gripe with abortion is that the government is involved in the argument. I don’t think I could ever make the decision to abort a child. I also think that there are situations where that may be the best option for a woman to choose. I just think that it’s a better choice for the woman and doctor to be in control of that decision instead of the government.
I equate government controlling a woman’s right to choose as the same as government controlling healthcare. I don’t think either of those situations are what’s best for this country. There may be situations where that’s the best option for the person, but not for everyone as a whole.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:07 am
“I like your church hymns. I can actually sing along to those. ”
The collection plate will be around shortly. Got a credit card balance to pay off.
Diane–July, 2007.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:08 am
Didn’t realize that blogging was all about picking sides.
Bruno,
Do you have to work at totally misrepresenting comments or does stupidity just come naturally to you?
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
11:08 am
Preach it pastor B.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYG8klvPFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-5Wqv6M0Sk
(Bosch, you likely ain’t gonna be able to sing along to these! But hopefully you’ll dig both of them.)
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:09 am
“Do you have to work at totally misrepresenting comments or does stupidity just come naturally to you?”
Mr. Sunshine is here.
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:10 am
abm,
I boils down to values, and it seems those are seriously lacking these days. Also, the fact that abortion is legal plays a large part in the thought process.
Those practicing recreational sex will always have an out as long as it is legal, makes it easy to play nike and “just do it” knowing one can go down to the abortion store later and return the merchandise.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
11:10 am
Bruno:
You’d be wrong about me on the choice thing when addressing homosexuality.
It’s funny how all you guys come in here talkin’ about a woman’s right to an abortion after having witnessed your bad selves as “Gangstas of Love” one Friday night. You know nothing about what it’s like to carry a child. It’s NOT that difficult.
HECK! there are women volunteering to carry for women who can’t.
As josef mentioned, there are options other than abortions (adoption anyone?)….but for some strange reason liberals don’t wanna address the restrictions placed on those. Probably because it would allow little excuse for them not having done what’s right.
I also find it interesting that YOU GUYS don’t take the father’s choice into consideration.
Is it because you don’t sympathize with him? Or is it because you do?
Men lending their voice to women’s issues. Please….don’t do ME any favors, fellas.
Another thing….libs are always saying the potential for success in life can be predicated on government offering a hand….but yet, the potential for a life unborn deserves not the same.
An big ball of yawn entangled in contradictions.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:10 am
jt–
Did you find his response to being called “a typical white man?” Unmentionable and I are still rolling over that one…
AmVet–that’s why I have such a problem in discussing this issue…abortion is, or should be, a medical procedure. The morality is, again in my opinion, a case-by-case issue. My opposition as it is is to abortion as a means of birth control. I like to refer people to Cardinal Mindzenty’s pastoral letter to the Hungarian priests in relation to the rape victims of the Russian soldiers
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:13 am
Bruno, @@
Okay, first vote in. I was right on that one…
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:13 am
Here’s your new theme song, RW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gz_OTXy430
Later, gators.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:13 am
RW,
We’re trying to pray.
AmVet,
Oh, I can sing along to Tom. I love that album. Petty never disappoints.
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:15 am
Bosch,
Get ready, we are about to enter a campign year where all the candidates will tell you they can and will fix it. Since the dems are the current spend as we please party in power, I’d say the reps have a good chance of rebalancing gov’t, which happens to be the last time the budget was balanced.
The budget will not get balanced if either party controls the gov’t, that is why we need to vote for the lesser of 2 evils slanting right in 2010.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:15 am
“Okay, first vote in. I was right on that one…”
You should know, being bedmates and all. I’m jealous……
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:15 am
Bruno,
RW isn’t Mr. Sunshine – he’s Mr. Moonshine.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:15 am
Rightwing Troll
Taxpayer made the mistake of arrogantly challenging me on my math or science knowledge. While I am certainly not a mathematician or a scientist, I do have a degree in structural engineering, so I’m pretty good with numbers. At first he tried to frame it as a quiz on geometric terms, something that is learned in the 8th or 9th grade. I countered by offering an engineering problem that had several answers, the results depending on the grade level required to solve the problem.
On a high school level, the answer could be achieved with basic algebra. That was the extent of his understanding so his bragging that he had several degrees from Georgia tech was obviously a lie.
The second level of answer was involving engineering statics, or the study of an object in a static state, i.e. all the forces combined equaling a zero sum. That means that if everything equals zero force, that the structure would not fall down. While algebra would solve some of these problems, the one i offered would require calculus and some algebra.
The third solution would be a real life scenario with wind and weather making the problem about engineering dynamics. or a perpetually moving scenario. At that point, it becomes an extremely hard problem, one that I would not want to tackle, but had to tackle when I was still in school.
He made the mistake that some rather indoctrinated liberals (and some conservatives) make that anyone that disagrees with his politics must be uneducated. While it was fun rubbing his nose in his own ignorance, I have felt bad about it ever since.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:17 am
“It’s funny how all you guys come in here talkin’ about a woman’s right to an abortion after having witnessed your bad selves as “Gangstas of Love” one Friday night.”
FYI., it’s called “shooting blanks”, @@
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:18 am
AmVet
Intra tribu…i don’t know how much you follow rabbincal decisions, but on this one it seems all four branches agree pretty much and all reflect my own opinions on abortion
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:21 am
BRUNO
“You should know, being bedmates and all. I’m jealous……”
We use protection! All we do is talk…
NIF
Well, he IS a book burner and right up there with N-GA on a certain other issue of Drittereich interest…
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:22 am
An example of spend as we please:
There is currently a 200 billion surplus of tarp funds. Logic would dictate it be given back to the poor scmuck taxpayers or apply it to the deficit. But no, the dems are all chomping at the bit to see how they can get it applied to their pet projects.
Enough is enough. WE can not continue to spend money we DO NOT HAVE.
Local MalContent
November 22nd, 2009
11:24 am
josef nix-
I did.
Good link.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:25 am
AmVet
As is the case in so many of our discussions, I see the opposite. While I agree that all political semantics are deceptive and more about marketing than telling the truth,
It is a matter of life and death, and it is a meter of a woman’s choice. (Two dudes talking about this might actually be the problem
) I see the term “life” as being one of the two choices for the baby. I see it, while semantically dishonest, more accurate than such a broad term as choice.
Again, we disagree. What a shocker!!
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 22nd, 2009
11:26 am
Well, I want to thank Kamchak for putting on a sensible song for me. All these songs by people that name theirselfs after pot smoking are junk.
Anyhow, all I got to say is keep guvmint out of our life. We don’t need no guvmint. Except when it comes to what people do in their bedroom and if they’re doing it in the way God intended it and making sure gays don’t marry and women don’t get rid of kids they got in the Fambly Way with and other things that go against our Religion.
Headed for Ryans with the missus now. I prayed for you all down at the Church of Holiness today. Have a good Sabbath everybody.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:26 am
md,
Blog God is mad at me.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:26 am
“We use protection! All we do is talk… ”
Did you ever get the straight scoop from her about the spanking thing with RW? Sounded interesting…..
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
11:26 am
@@
I see it primarily as a woman’s choice because I don’t think anyone should be able to tell you what you can or can not do with your body. I think it’s a slippery slope once you start legislating restrictions on what a person can do to themselves. If a person is of sound mind, they should be able to understand their decisions and the reprecussions of that decision.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
11:28 am
Anyway, AmVet, ABM, Bruno, Josef, you guys along with Bosch, Paul, my heartthrob Dusty, and Scooter are the reason I keep coming back. I don’t do angry very well, negative vibes and all, but all y’all make me laugh, think, and reaffirm that while we can disagree, we don’t have to be snotty about it. Good on ya.
Negative vibes, eh abnormal?
You really are a girl.
~~~~~
Pavlov’s dog reflexively drooled when the dinner bell was rang and if you libs want to put your reaction to gay photographs on the same mental level, who am I to argue?
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:29 am
“Well, I want to thank Kamchak for putting on a sensible song for me. All these songs by people that name theirselfs after pot smoking are junk.”
RC, you finally got me.
“Have a good Sabbath everybody.”
I did, yesterday.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:30 am
Mama used to say she’d be for abortion on demand if we’d make it retroactive.
malcontent–and the funniest part of it all is he’s a full blood!
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:31 am
Another test for Blog God:
It’s all about your philosophy of how things should be – do we cut taxes to the corporations and spend? Or what we are seeing now? Personally I don’t think for one minute that if the GOP were in charge again they’d be doing anything different except ignoring health care reform all together instead of pretending that it is going to be better (like now).
But yes, I think I’ll sit the next campaign cycle out. I think I’ll take up a new hobby or something – like yard work.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:31 am
“Pavlov’s dog reflexively drooled when the dinner bell was rang and if you libs want to put your reaction to gay photographs on the same mental level, who am I to argue?”
Were you right on the second one, josef?
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:32 am
BRUNO–
Yesterday? Are you of the tribe? Not that it matters…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:32 am
BRUNO–oh, but of course!
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:32 am
“I also find it interesting that YOU GUYS don’t take the father’s choice into consideration.”
Agree not enough consideration done in this area. Had a good friend that got his “significant other” pregnant. He was thrilled, she was not. She made HER decision to whack THEIR child. Needless to say the relationship ended as well and he has struggled with the loss of HIS child for a lifetime.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:34 am
Okay, md,
Blog Supreme Being was mad at my first paragraph, but I can’t figure out why. The first paragraph was about the short attention span of the American people and whether or not we can believe the GOP has somehow changed from the cut taxes and spend philosophy. I think they will because with each election we want that to be true, but never see it.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:34 am
Bruno,
Perhaps when you get done sniping you can answer the question.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Snowe still in discussions with Obama about final health vote
What do you suppose her price tag will be?
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:35 am
“BRUNO–oh, but of course!”
I wouldn’t mind meeting Reporter one day, if only to take his bankroll in poker. Very predictable.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:37 am
“Perhaps when you get done sniping you can answer the question.”
No problem, just hang on and I’ll get back to you. Might be a while.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:37 am
jesef
I regret letting him have it. I have learned that extremely bitter people like him live a very lonesome life and come here to try to gain the approval that he is sure he deserves, but when others point out the flaws in his perspective, he become even more lonesome and rejected, resulting in more bitterness. I understand that pain, maybe not on a permanent basis, but all of us have felt lonesome and rejected.
I, being a product of Appalachia, tend to want to be the first to swing back, even harder. I’m trying to do better, but another very lonesome and bitter person drew me into another pi**ing contest yesterday, which I also regret.
But I had a wonderful night, we had a great meal at a really nice restaurant, we had planned on taking in a movie, but we did a little Christmas shopping instead and I was amazed at the great attitudes of almost everybody at every store we visited. Even the Walmart, near our home was full of smiles and great feelings. I am a great fan of Christmas and last night was a complete blast.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:37 am
BOSCH–
Blog G-d got it in for me last week…some of them the most innocent, pure and chaste. Even Jay couldn’t figure it out…
Bud Wiser
November 22nd, 2009
11:38 am
My youngest grandson was born six weeks premature, and we all just celebrated his 3rd birthday last week with a big party. He is one of the shining lights in all our families lives.
I only have a few issues with abortions:
1. To be used as a birth control device for a mother who is too lazy or stupid to use contraceptives, or simply doesn’t care if she gets pregnant because daddy govt will help her to be rid of her ‘problem’.
2. To be used as a political knife to stab your opponent repeatedly because you are convinced your side is the onltright side.
3. Late term abortions…sticking a needle in a probably viable fetuses head to suck its brains out before yanking out the body to dispose of it. Had my daughter been so inclined because of her political leanings and/or other beliefs, or just decided she really didn’t want him now, my grandson would have never been born.
It truly is the most personal decision a woman will ever have to make, terminating another life. It is not to be taken cavalierly. Whether or not it becomes a religious issue in any afterlife for her is something no one will ever know, until they are dead.
And the dead aren’t talking.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
11:38 am
ABM:
I see you as a good man. You’ve also allowed us to share in your joy of that 15 month old daughter of yours. Hypothetically speaking….what if that little girl had been conceived under not so ideal circumstances. Can you look at her and say, you would have given up the right to enjoy who she is today? Let her go….just like that?
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
11:39 am
As Andy kicks in the door and announces he’s here…
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
11:39 am
NIF, good explanation.
To bookend Bruno’s choice…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZtQh5EIgWQ
And B, a fellow MOT to boot?
Right on.
It’s known fact we own/control all the banks int his country! Now for Bookman’s blog!!!
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:39 am
RW,
Don’t you be dissing on my woman now.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:41 am
NIF–
In most cases, I would agree with you, Mom’s folks being hill folk, but in Taxpayer’s and N-GA’s cases, they’re just mean and hateful, bitter and full of venom. I don’t think you hit him hard enough…
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
11:42 am
Well, now the dems have the libs supporting drug and health care insurance companies welfare in this bill. Just like the gop got the cons to support corporate welfare. Well, the libs have not started tea parties yet.
Both dem and gop politicians are laughing again at the silly biased Americans. Tossed their beliefs and values to think they win in this sillly game.
Go team.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:42 am
josef,
I always get a laugh from those who are just totally convinced that it is Jay censoring them when their comments fall into moderation. Do they really take themselves so seriously? Geez!!
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
11:42 am
Whiner
You would be the one to bring up Pavlov’s dog. I don’t think anything else needs to be said.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:42 am
Bud Wiser
**And the dead aren’t talking.**
Sure they do. Don’t you ever watch Ghost Lab on Discovery?
Rightwing Troll
November 22nd, 2009
11:43 am
“But no, the dems are all chomping at the bit to see how they can get it applied to their pet projects.”
Of course there’s no conservative pet projects in the queue, right? I mean the Bridge to nowhere was a “Lib” project, right?
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:44 am
Bosch,
All I can say is our best CHANCE at a balanced budget comes with a balanced gov’t. When either party has total control they tend to act in THEIR best interest vs OUR best interest.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:45 am
AmVet…
At last! I’ve spent my life looking for the International Conspiracy of Zionist Bankers, Home at last, home at last!
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
11:46 am
To the multitude of things that liberals are confused as to the purpose of, the human digestive tract being only one of many, we can now add to that list political blogs, which they think are for feelgood aisle reaching and not, uh, political debate.
Just sayin…..
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:48 am
md,
Hopefully Blog God won’t interfere – maybe he/she doesn’t want me responding to you, but:
I couldn’t agree more. I think that’s why Clinton was considered a decent POTUS (I know many here will need their monitor cleaners after reading that) – it was because he had a Republican Congress to deal with, and vice versa.
Local MalContent
November 22nd, 2009
11:48 am
jt says, ” It is wrong for the Federal Government to SUBSIDIZE anything.”
jt says, “It is also wrong for the Federal Government to even be INVOLVED in abortion.”
It doesn’t have to be this way.
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:49 am
“Of course there’s no conservative pet projects in the queue, right? I mean the Bridge to nowhere was a “Lib” project, right?”
Only one side has the votes, and it isn’t the side with conservative pet projects.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:50 am
josef
N-GA is another problem. That boy has serious issues. I honestly believe that he hates David Duke because Duke left the KKK.
My girl Liz Cheney is killing the opposition on This Week. Damn, she’s smart. She stays calm, doesn’t stutter and makes her point so precisely with examples and logic. And the great thing is that she is so good, that the libs on the roundtable constantly challenge her, giving her the floor much more than most anyone gets. So they throw up talking points and she knocks them out of the park.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:50 am
BOSCH–
When Jay said that it was often a combination of words-phrases, my own knee-jerk was calmed a bit, BUT it’s still interesting to me as to what some of those are…I don’t take it quite as personally as I once did, but intellectually? Ay, there’s the rub…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:51 am
RW–No, that wasn’t planned!
@@
November 22nd, 2009
11:51 am
Bruno:
Your own little collective church service here is interesting. Not enough love to go around, eh?
Shooting blanks? Well aren’t you a lucky guy…..no doubt that enables your heaven to open up quite frequently.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
11:52 am
@@
NO!! Which is why I stated earlier that personally I don’t believe in abortions. I had one lost by miscarriage when I was in college. I didn’t find out until after the fact, so I took that as a sign from G*d that I wasn’t ready for fatherhood. I believed that when he knew I was ready, I’d be blessed with a child. That’s exactly what has happened in my life now. If I could go back and try to change things, I wouldn’t change a thing. I know miscarriage isn’t the exact same as abortion, but I understand the emotions people go thru when faced with that situation.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:52 am
Bosch
**it was because he had a Republican Congress to deal with, and vice versa.**
Bingo. We need a government that represents almost everyone. We had that and the economy boomed. I think we will have that again . . . soon.
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:53 am
Agree Bosch, checks and balances are needed. Currently, they do not exist to the extent needed.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
11:53 am
Andy,
We get it.
You hate gay people.
How many times are you going to say it?
Does it make you FEEL better?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:54 am
Bosch,
Dana Milbank over at WaPo did a lot more dissing than I did. He said we had 100 Blanche Dubois’ in the Senate.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
11:55 am
Local MalContent–
Tell jt that for some of us “federal government” in and of itself is enough said!
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
josef,
I’m glad to see you’ve reclaimed your place at the top of the remote pages. It was tough filling in for you yesterday.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
11:56 am
“Not enough love to go around, eh?”
There’s plenty to go around, @@. Jump in anytime.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
11:57 am
gitmo- I don’t hate no one, I counter depravity when I see it.
Am I supposed to remain silent and be a squish?
Hold hands with the perverts?
What is it with the kumbaya, y’all?
I thought Obozo was supposed to give you hope?
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
11:57 am
josef, Bruno, md, ABM, RW
**You hate gay people.**
He’s baaaaack.
You guys have a great day. i have lots to do.
I’m outta here.
md
November 22nd, 2009
11:58 am
Since we agree a balanced gov’t is best, and Barry is there for at least 3 more years, can we count on you to do your part to balance the gov’t by voting out enough dems in congress to achieve the goal?
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
11:59 am
RW,
I would almost agree with that – the Blanche Dubois comment – except for Snowe – I want her to be the first woman POTUS.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:59 am
You people discussing N-GA be careful with your typing. Somebody once put the hyphen between the G and the A instead of the N and the G and he went ballistic for weeks about some perceived racial slur against him.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:00 pm
Andy,
Yeah, your posts are full of ♥.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:01 pm
@@
Bruno’s shooting blanks? Well, don’t look like he’ll ever have to face the abortion issue personally, then…but be careful, I’ve heard that that one’s been used for the non-raincoat wearing crowd..
getalife
“You hate gay people.”
Yeah, but he hates everybody…EEOC…
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
12:01 pm
md,
I’ve had a GOP representative for about 20 years now – if my district ever elected a Dem representative again, I’d be convinced that the end of time was near.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
12:01 pm
Later all
It’s time to go enjoy some pre-game analysis. I refuse to let the negativity of this board ruin this great Sunday and day of football watching.
Bruno
November 22nd, 2009
12:03 pm
“You guys have a great day. i have lots to do. I’m outta here.”
Me, too, NIF. AMF.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
N-GA is no different than alot of others here – even those who are currently complaining about him. Why don’t we save the complaints about him when he’s here? That way you can actually address the points he brings up.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:04 pm
RW–
Back on top…
“…he went ballistic…”
It’s them d*amned J-E-Ws…!
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:06 pm
BOSCH–
On N-GA…I was asked if there was anybody here I DIDN’T like, and he and Taxpayer came to mind as the only two…call me the guilty party–
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm
Bosch,
You never know when somebody is hanging out not saying anything. For instance my ex might not post for hours but bring up her name and she’ll be firing away within minutes.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:07 pm
N-GA told me Paul was good people.
He was right.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
12:08 pm
josef, VERY funny with the EEOC refernece. And this is the kindler, gentler Andy.
You should have seen him during the good old days at Luckovich’s. Vituperation like I;’ve NEVER seen! Made
that was just a veiled reference to the anti-Semitic mantra heard back in the 60s and 70s.
Now we and the blacks have been replaced by the Mooslims and Mexicalis.
Tis the same irrational fear and hatred, just different faces…
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
josef,
“Yeah, but he hates everybody…EEOC…”
Yup but they cut and run and call me a hater.
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
12:10 pm
josef,
I’ve always considered you one of the most rational people here, and quite hilarious, and I am not directing this at you. But i find it extremely hypocritical for some here to complain about N-GA’s outbursts when they themselves are just as prone to the same behavior. Ya’ know what I mean?
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
12:12 pm
RW,
True, but I don’t think N-GA fits into that category. All ya’ gotta do to see if I’m reading and not participating is mention Dick Cheney – it’s like the Pavlov thing – I have to type how evil he is.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm
AmVet–I’m still new here…kinder, gentler Andy!? Oy!
getalife–
I like Paul. And even a stopped clock is right twice a day…
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
12:13 pm
“N-GA told me Paul was good people.
He was right.”
Indeed.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:14 pm
Are you here Dick Cheney?
We could turn this into a seance. Are you here Evel Knievel?
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:17 pm
Yeah, Andy is trying to contain his hatred here since Jay would ban him and if you want to debate history, N-GA will bring it.
He knows fine food and wines too.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
12:19 pm
Bruno:
There’s plenty to go around, @@. Jump in anytime.
No thanks….like Andy, I don’t find your kinda love to be all that sincere.
Like so many libs, here, you’re like a little pee-shooter. I’ll take the honesty of Andy’s shotgun any day of the week.
If you can’t handle the blasts, don’t put yourself in the line of fire. Quit your whining, in other words.
Nothing Is Free
November 22nd, 2009
12:20 pm
Bosch
Came back in to turn off the computer. I am guilty of reacting to others There are several here that live for any kind of reaction to what they write. They never even attempt debate, but their entire mantra is offering short, insulting one liners, like is being offered by one of the worst right now.
I know that you are smart enough to be able to tell the difference between posters that occasionally react and posters that offer nothing . . . ever in the way of civil debate.
ABM is right that this was a nice civil series of posts that will quickly sink to the level of one poster becoming insulting and hysterical toward anyone and everyone that dares to suggest anything different than what he believes.
It’s Sunday afternoon and life is simply too short to deal with this kind of ignorance.
Have a good day.
GO FALCONS!!
Demming
November 22nd, 2009
12:21 pm
I confess that I had my doubts as to whether or not Harry Reid could break the Republican filibuster and get the health care to the senate floor, but the strategy has been brilliant. Frame a bill for the procedural vote that tilted left in terms of the public option, while leaving the states an “opt out” clause for the states. Now that the bill is on the Senate floor, I think that Reid will offer the Snowe amendment which will allow the public option to be triggered if certain cost and coverage benchmarks are not met .This would drag Snowe into the “Yes” column, and Reid would then have to snag three of the four holdouts, Nelson Landrieu, Lieberman, or Lincoln. I think that Nelson and Landrieu will willingly accept this compromise… Of the remaining two holdouts, Lincoln is the most likely to support the bill. Lieberman will vote No and court Republicans in his re-election effort. Who knows, maybe Snowe becomes a Democrat and Lieberman becomes a Republican.
Moreover, I think that Reid has public sentiment on his side. The latest CNN/ Public Research shows that in August, 2009, 20% of the public wanted the government to stop any legislation on health care reform effort, but by November, 2009 that figure had dropped to 15%. Conversely, the percentage of the public who thought that the government should proceed, but with major changes to the House bill, rose from 28% in August to 33% in November. There was little or no change in the response rates for respondents who favored minor changes to the house bill (26%, up 1 % from August, or those who thought that the Congress should start over next year (24%, down 1% from August).
The central theme in the republican opposition t the bill seems to be the opinion that the public option will destroy health insurance as we know it. My understanding of the bill is that those who have corporate benefits-such as I- would be excluded from any public option and that that the option would be available only to those at the very bottom rung of the economic ladder, which the Administration estimates at about 5% of the population. Moreover, most of the increased coverage would come through the regional exchanges and that coverage would be exclusively private in nature. How then would such a limited application of the public option drive the private insurers out of the market?? Inquiring minds want to know !
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:22 pm
Wouldn’t you hate to be in a football market that got the Cleveland/Detroit game today?
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:28 pm
ABM–gotcha…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
12:28 pm
Demming,
Republicans hold 40 seats. There is no such thing as a Republican filibuster until they hold at least 41 so any filibuster will be a Democrat or Independent filibuster heavily supported by Republicans.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:30 pm
RW,
Don’t they need 60 to end the debate ?
Bosch
November 22nd, 2009
12:33 pm
I’m off to make soup.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:35 pm
How are you feeling Bosch?
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:35 pm
BOSCH–
Thanks for the kind words…
“Ya know what I mean?”
And how! As I said in my own culpa mea the other day, I should have just walked away, but I didn’t. I must admit, there are some things that just stick in my craw as the old folks say…
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
12:43 pm
Notwithstanding its popularity, for me the NFL has slowly become almost insufferable to watch.
95% or more of the games are of zero interest to me. And that’s only because of a reinvigorated Falcon’s team.
Given the choice between pro and college football, there is not a chance in a hundred I would pick the NFL…
OK, off to lunch with friends.
Things are going to be much better if you only will…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl5Y96KDdDI
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
12:46 pm
Gotta go out in the rain…back in a bit I hope…
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
12:48 pm
I’m out too so that coward nif can come back.
Just a Thought
November 22nd, 2009
12:56 pm
Please, Jay, justify why Senator Landrieu had to be promised $300 million to vote yes. A justification beyond, “well, the Republicans did it”. That’s no excuse because we all know what a crapyp job the GOP has done. We DO need reform, but at what cost?
@@
November 22nd, 2009
12:57 pm
Things are going to be much better if you only will…
Shower the people you love with love…???
Dixie Chicks, Natalie Maines
Remarks about George Bush and the War in Iraq
During the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, the Dixie Chicks performed in concert in London on March 10, 2003, at the Shepherd’s Bush Empire theatre in England. During the introduction to their song “Travelin’ Soldier”, Natalie Maines, a Texas native, said:
“ Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas. ”
President Bush responded to the controversy in an interview with Tom Brokaw on April 24:
“ The Dixie Chicks are free to speak their mind. They can say what they want to say … they shouldn’t have their feelings hurt just because some people don’t want to buy their records when they speak out … Freedom is a two-way street … I don’t really care what the Dixie Chicks said. I want to do what I think is right for the American people, and if some singers or Hollywood stars feel like speaking out, that’s fine. That’s the great thing about America. It stands in stark contrast to Iraq … ”
It was only the love of money that made Natalie apologize for her comments.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
1:01 pm
You should have seen him during the good old days at Luckovich’s. Vituperation like I;’ve NEVER seen! Made
that was just a veiled reference to the anti-Semitic mantra heard back in the 60s and 70s.
Now we and the blacks have been replaced by the Mooslims and Mexicalis.
Tis the same irrational fear and hatred, just different faces…
This spoken by the most vulgar, completely obsessed, mumbling purveyor of hate that this blog has ever seen.
Yikes, that means he knows what he’s talking about and I’d better reassess my behavior.
I wouldn’t want to be like him.
Funny how the libs will defend those who spew from the left but disagreements with the positions they cling to is “hate speech.”
Man up, you sissies.
Just a Thought
November 22nd, 2009
1:02 pm
Demming, there is also a poll that came out this week from Quinnipiac University. The question went as follows: “President Obama has pledged that health insurance reform will not add to our federal budget deficit over the next decade. Do you think that President Obama will be able to keep his promise or do you think that any health care plan that Congress passes and President Obama signs will add to the federal budget deficit?”
The answer: Less than one-fifth of the voters — 19 percent of the sample — think he will keep his word.
Looks like 81% of the country thinks he’s going to go back on his promise. Sad testament to his character.
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
1:03 pm
Still, banning the Dixie Chicks by the radio stations was censorship. That’s about as Un American as you can get.
Bud Wiser
November 22nd, 2009
1:04 pm
I believe that now, in fact, political correctness has reached its apogee (or is it perigee) with the arrival of Burka Barbie just in time for Christmas.
Falcons coming on, I’m outta here.
El Jefe
November 22nd, 2009
1:08 pm
To all liberal, progressives, and other left leaning idiots.
The Healthcare bill will sign your eminent job loss. Congress will be purged, the President will have to fight just to keep his head above water, and to add insult to injury, the conservatives will probably screw this chance also.
Let’s all go back to a government instilled in the Constitution. Congress and the President are not all powerful. Both have violated the Constitution on too many occasion, both parties.
As to illustrate, the only sector where there is good strong job growth, is in the public sector. Government jobs are growing.
Can anyone name me one product that Government produces?
Can anyone name me one item the Government makes money on?
El Jefe
November 22nd, 2009
1:10 pm
Normal,
By definition, only a “state” (some form of government) can censor.
Otherwise, it is the free market and personal preference, both allowed under the law.
El Jefe
November 22nd, 2009
1:12 pm
Just a Thought,
It is called a bribe, something you and I would go to jail for.
Common Sense
November 22nd, 2009
1:14 pm
Off Topic:
For those of you pontificating about Georgia’s record and blaming it on poor coaching – it’s a game. American soldiers the same age as those players are in a fight for their lives and they’re getting poor coaching from the White House. Worry about that!
@@
November 22nd, 2009
1:20 pm
Normal:
I didn’t follow the Chicks controversy that closely, but my understanding is that the radio stations were responding to their listeners.
Still, banning the Dixie Chicks by the radio stations was censorship. That’s about as Un American as you can get.
Shutting the opposition out of townhall meetings was……..
what exactly?
Common Sense
November 22nd, 2009
1:22 pm
@@:
Or Republicans out of legislative meetings ……………………
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
1:30 pm
Shutting the opposition out of town hall meetings was……..
what exactly?
Censorship, and I didn’t agree with that either. Just like I didn’t agree with President Bush hand picking his audience’s.
There are examples of this going on on all sides. Doesn’t make it right. I believe in freedom of speech…even when I don’t want to hear it.
Back to the game…later.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
1:36 pm
getalife,
If they can’t get 60 it’s because at least one Democrat or Independent won’t vote to end to debate so it isn’t a Republican filibuster.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
Still, banning the Dixie Chicks by the radio stations was censorship. That’s about as Un American as you can get.
Baloney. That was a business decision pure and simple, unless you can show me where the government threatened the stations in any way for playing the Dixie Chicks.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
1:43 pm
RW,
Looks like Nelson or Lieberman will kill it.
Unless they get the millions.
Gone to watch the Saints game.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
1:44 pm
Common Sense:
I was gonna mention that. It was censoring the people’s representative government.
I gotta stop painting my bedroom and go paint a friend’s nursery. She can’t bend over or climb.
The timing sucks! Due date draws near.
Out!
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
2:20 pm
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
1:41 pm
Business decision or not, it was still punishment for the Chicks saying an unpopular thing at the time. That sounds like censorship to me. And why, since President Bush is out of office have they not been back on the radio?
This is the American way…
“I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it..”
Voltaire
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
2:23 pm
Normal,
Unless you can show me some government intervention it’s just not censorship. Are you even sure they aren’t being played on the radio?
Normal
November 22nd, 2009
2:43 pm
RW, I don’t agree with your definition of censorship. Anytime a person is denied a platform
of speech, especially at the expense of their livelihood, that is censorship.
And yes, I call country stations about the Dixie Chicks and they still refuse. Know how to hold a grudge, don’t they.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
2:46 pm
Normal,
Nobody is entitled to a platform of speech on someone else’s property.
What stations do you call? I just did a little browsing and they had a song get to number 4 on the charts in 2007 and it doesn’t appear they have anything current out.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
2:48 pm
I’m back. Dixie Chicks? Most of my listening is on on-line radio and the stations there do play them. If you have Pandora, do you a Dixie Chicks station and see who they play with them…
Censor, noun
1. A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.
2. An official, as in the armed forces, who examines personal mail and official dispatches to remove information considered secret or a risk to security.
3. One that condemns or censures.
3. One of two officials in ancient Rome responsible for taking the public census and supervising public behavior and morals.
4. Psychology The agent in the unconscious that is responsible for censorship.
TRANSITIVE VERB:
cen·sored, cen·sor·ing, cen·sors
To examine and expurgate.
ETYMOLOGY:
Latin censor, Roman censor, from censere, to assess; see kens- in Indo-European roots
OTHER FORMS:
censor·a·ble (Adjective), cen·sori·al (sn-sôr-l, -sr-) (Adjective)
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
2:51 pm
WHINER–
“Man up, you sissies.”
Ready when you are Butch, but me and you better let security in our geriatrics wing know…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
2:54 pm
josef,
This came from an AP story that I can’t find at the moment
But the Chicks’ new single, “Not Ready to Make Nice,” is now in rotation in several major markets, pushing it to No. 36 on Billboard’s country singles chart after its first full week of airplay. Other stations, however, have been slower to embrace it.
That song didn’t come out until 2006 so it would seem this “no air play” canard is just another moonbat myth that refuses to die.
Midori
November 22nd, 2009
2:56 pm
anyone watching the Baltimore-Colts game?
this is exciting!!
I didn’t know the Ravens had it in them!!
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
2:59 pm
Midori,
Watching the Saints.
Are the Ravens winning?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
3:02 pm
14-12 Indy at the moment
Midori
November 22nd, 2009
3:03 pm
and the Ravens are driving…………
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
3:04 pm
Great, hope Indy loses and we are the only undefeated team.
Midori
November 22nd, 2009
3:05 pm
Christ!!!
Ravens just missed the field goal that would have put them on top.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:14 pm
diM- You know your Skins are playing a pretty good game, amazingly, don’t you?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:19 pm
The doubters are suddenly stretching across a broad section of the Democratic party’s natural constituency. They include black congressional leaders upset by the sluggish economy; women and Hispanics appalled by concessions made to Republicans on healthcare; anti-war liberals depressed by the debate over troops for Afghanistan; and growing numbers of blue-collar workers who are continuing to lose their jobs and homes. -TimesOnLine
Speak for yourself, hack, we Republicans think he’s great!
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
3:21 pm
A MOST interesting occurance! The Moderator “censored” my 3:18 on censorship, another one “for the books…”
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
3:21 pm
Finally Andy.
You should.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
3:22 pm
Midori,
I’ve been flipping back and forth for the last half hour and the Ravens seem to have been driving the whole time. Why is it they always have the ball but never go anywhere?
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
3:24 pm
Ladies and gentleman.
On this day @ 3:19 pm President Obama is praised by Andy.
Lord help us.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
3:24 pm
Is it in paragraph 1?
Interesting that this topic should come up today. As we post my “other work” is a fact check on a manuscript. I know the editorial stance of the publisher and that gives me a guideline as to what needs to be given extra scrutiny. Some things I can reference with a standard resource, others I have to pull from a number of sources, pro, contra and neutral (in this case, the latter are not so easily available as it’s a “hot button topic.) In this case I have to be VERY careful myself since I have strong opinions and they are at odds with the editorial stance.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:25 pm
The Colts just stuffed them 1st and goal from the 1, with only a field goal for their efforts. They will come to regret this.
Midori
November 22nd, 2009
3:27 pm
word, RW.
Word……………
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:27 pm
Duh Falcons are fixing to be euthanized, hahaha.
Midori
November 22nd, 2009
3:28 pm
Andy,
figures the one time they are playing decently — against the most hated Cowboys — and I can’t get the game.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:29 pm
Pardon me, they just got euthanized.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2009
3:29 pm
Gawd, I love how I can get these droolers going! I can damn near get them to do it on command these days.
Normal, love of country tops love of the GOP.
Well for MOST of us anyway…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
3:30 pm
Midori,
Open a window on nfl.com and you can fake watch the game in pretty much real time.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:31 pm
Er, Midori, you might not want to see what’s happening now. Duh Boys are back in Skin territory.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
3:32 pm
Well, folks, it’s in the second paragraph and there’s absolutely nothing there to moderate that I can discern…
Okay, Jaybird…Do tell!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:33 pm
I wonder what the Seahawks thought two points would do for them?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
3:33 pm
josef,
Look for the ending of some word coupling with the beginning of some other word to see if you can find anything.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
Happy day, Midori, Romo got picked.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
3:35 pm
Andy,
I guess they figured they would only need three td’s and a field goal to catch up with a two pointer. Dreamers if you will…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
3:42 pm
RW–
“Look for the ending of some word coupling with the beginning of some other word to see if you can find anything.”
Did that. Also went and asterisked the “o” in Foxy…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
3:43 pm
BINGO! There we are together RW…
Midori
November 22nd, 2009
3:44 pm
thanks Andy and RW.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:47 pm
Colts 10-0.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:47 pm
502!
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
3:48 pm
josef 3:43,
?
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
Moderator 47
josef 0
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
3:54 pm
The Skins got 2:41 to drive the field and kick a field goal, ehhh, we’ll see.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
3:58 pm
RW–me and you BOTH at the top of the page…
getalife–
The Moderator will win every time! Don’t lay any bets on me…
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
4:00 pm
Keep fighting josef!
It ain’t ova!
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
4:00 pm
Ravens need a field goal to win.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
4:02 pm
The Giants are disgraceful.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
4:13 pm
The Falcons are disgraceful.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
4:16 pm
Throwing passes when they are in field goal range, yeesh, the Giants are trying to give this away.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
4:17 pm
The Giants have redeemed themselves.
And me too.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
4:18 pm
Look at KC putting one on the mighty Steelers.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
4:19 pm
I’m pretty sure that bookman just wretched.
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
4:22 pm
Well, so much going on in this blog since the topic started. I don’t do the music thing or the football thing so I skip a lot. But..
Josef, do you fact check books, manuscripts or what? Your International Day must have been exciting. Facing the joys, customs and personalities of unfamiliar others is like drinking bubbly champayne. Gives an amazing good lift everytime.. I love that sort of thing.
Anyway, church was fine today. EXCEPT I arived looking like a bag lady. As the rain poured, I tried to get several bags of canned goods for the food box,(cans were on sale) out of the trunk of my car. As my hair dribbled into disaster, a can broke loose and rolled under the car. So here I am at the front door of the church, kicking cans under the car in the rain and feeling like saying most unrighteous things. But I made it, dripping like a Medusa can-carrying momma. At least they did not take up an offering for me. Probably said a prayer though. My life’s “exciting” moments are not high test as you see.
Well, I don’t have any extraordinary opinions here except I do like cornbread dressing, states rights, women’s rights , the right to rights, etc. etc. I still think George Bush was a fine president. I’m not sure who is whom in double IDs here. Taxpayer and Doggone seem to be missing. The “moderator machine ” here is mad so I blame Bookman who is captain of the ship, man of the house, etc. Remember the day I got moderated about four times in a row until Jay “admonished” the modie.?
Well, a note to REDNECK CONVERT who mentioned my rehab/renovation moments of the past..
I’d love to help you rehab your trailer, RedNeck, if you will remove the pink flamingos, the oil cloth table cover, the shower curtain drapes, the painting of Elvis on black velvet, the coffee can flower pots and the camode with flowers on the front lawn. Deal??
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
4:43 pm
DUSTY
Great to hear from you! Church sounds like an adventure today, but look on the bright side…you were doing the right thing. Just keep saying like Unmentionable does, “at least the reservoirs are filling up.” I was complaining about how much of the wet stuff we got this fall and that still voice came from upstairs, “…so, make up your mind, you want it rain or not?”
The fact checks come from various sources. Most are articles and ever so often a book will come through. Sometimes it’s interesting, but mostly fairly boring. I also double check translations and do some myself. I only do from the original to English. Those range from the technical to the literary. I’ve been at it for several years and have my clientele established. The income makes it possible for me to work in the schools, so I don’t complain. The computer age has made it much easier.
As for the evil Moderator false G-d, I keep telling Jay that even if he’s not the guilty party, it’s his name being sullied. The AJC ought to be ashamed, though. It’s just plumb silly when something like mine today goes into moderation and on, of all topics, censorship, yet I can call and get called every name in the book in the most scurrilous of fashions, and it sails right on by. Go figure.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 22nd, 2009
5:05 pm
Well, tell Sister Dusty I except her offer. She can start now. All my teams already lost. Including my beloved Dawgs and even UGA VII. Looks like they’re headed for the Weedwacker Bowl and a tour of lovely Shrevesport to watch the shrimp boats come in.
Have a good night everybody.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:10 pm
Redneck–
What shrimpboats in Sherveport? Somebody’s joshin’ you…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:10 pm
Redneck–
What shrimpboats in Sherveport? Somebody’s joshin’ you…
Pogo
November 22nd, 2009
5:11 pm
“Redneck” sits and makes fodder for his sad humour out of the fact that Landreau sold her vote for 300 million of the us taxpayers dollars. Never mind about what she thought was right, it was the money that won out in the end. Her state has already blew billions in Katrina relief dollars and the people and the state are still screwed up. You’re proud of that “Neck”? Have you been to New Orleans recently Neck? It is a sad looking place and it isn’t because money wasn’t available. It is because the money that was provided has been squandered by corrupt politicians at the City and State level. You are as low as many of here already thought you were.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:12 pm
See that? Won’t let me past the moderator on something of substance, but a horsesh*t comment to Redneck gets a double post! Go figure…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:17 pm
Pogo–My heart and soul are in New Orleans, they’re “my people,” too, but fact is, Louisiana is a Third World, banana republic. So long as the port is open, the oil is flowing and the colorful natives singing and dancing and cooking for the tourists, the rest of the country couldn’t give a sh*t about Uncle Sam’s red-headed colonial backwater stepchild…been that way since 1803 and doesn’t appear to ever be going to change…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
5:18 pm
josef,
Maybe the moderator is trying to make things up to you.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:25 pm
RW–
Either that or it figures Redneck has to read things at least twice…
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
5:41 pm
Geez Pogo, tell us how you really feel. Sometimes, I think y’all take RC way, way too seriously.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
5:43 pm
Well dammeet! I was wondering why josef wouldn’t answer my scholastic question at 5:30 and just noticed it’s in moderation jail.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:46 pm
RW…so what was your question?
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
5:46 pm
We have an unsportsmanlike conduct, illegal use of the english language… against RW. 15 min penalty, repeat the post.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
5:48 pm
Oh wait….I think I’ve found it..a repeat of my 5:30 with the r word changed to absurd…
Redneck can read???
Question for ya josef,
I just ran across this in the print AJC.
The writer asks……is anyone getting sick of hearing the phrase “Southern farm to table”?…. just like that with the question mark outside the quotation mark. I’ve always thought it went inside, but it looks absurd either way. Which is it?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
5:49 pm
Now that’s just r-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
5:50 pm
ABM,
I think it was the late hit I put on the moderator.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:51 pm
ABM–
On RC…when I first came around, I wasn’t sure how to take him…he’s got a good shtick (still hasn’t got the language downpat, but he’s getting better), Like a lot of those who ain’t really one of us, he can rub me the wrong way from time to time, but still and all it’s all meant in good fun..I think!
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:55 pm
RW–you’re right on both counts…the question mark goes inside the quote. Also it IS the R word, but, know what? Jay can use it and he hasn’t responded yet to the challenge on that one…he can call us the R word, but we can’t call him that…now ain’t that just some liberal hypocracy for you?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
5:56 pm
I was hoping to get out tonight and deny some woman her full personhood, with me being a ultra right wing extremist and all, because it kinda sounds like fun.
Just one question, how do you do it?
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
5:59 pm
As one of the Senate most liberal members, Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), told POLITICO’s The Arena: “I have made it clear to the administration and Democratic leadership that my vote for the final bill is by no means guaranteed.”-Politico
Translation= A couple hundred million ought to do it.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
5:59 pm
Whiner…
“Just one question, how do you do it?”
Just tell her you’re gay but might could change for the right woman…straight men, I understand, use that one a lot with success…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
6:01 pm
I was hoping to get out tonight and deny some woman her full personhood
A few years ago it was by holding the door for her.
Common Sense
November 22nd, 2009
6:08 pm
Hummmmmm ………………………
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/money_watch/dpg-Is-Anyone-Reading-Newspapers-Anymore-mb-200911221258929921062
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
6:18 pm
RW
That will get you 15 too!
josef
I just laugh. I think that we sometimes take life too seriously. I’ve learned that sometimes laughing is a lot less stressful than being upset about something. That, and the fact that getting upset over an anonymous poster doesn’t do much good anyway.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
6:20 pm
There’s also the peril of prolonged U.S. budget deficits. We’re talking about the long-term financial deterioration of the United States. Look at the Fed’s total net borrowing and lending in credit markets. The numbers of the domestic nonfinancial sector are down by over a trillion dollars; the private sector is deleveraging.
Meanwhile, the public sector–state, local and national governments–are adding debt. What does it mean if the U.S. loses its triple-A credit rating next year? Or if its $12 trillion in outstanding government securities become rated “junk bonds.”-Forbes
This^^ comes under the headline Don’t Be A Sucker, Take Your Gains.
Look out below!!!
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
6:23 pm
ABM
Me, too, usually…and hereabouts is always good for a chuckle…here and the mirror…
Common Sense–
The newspapers got uppity and full of themselves. Now they’re paying the price. And that’s a good thing…
Common Sense
November 22nd, 2009
6:33 pm
To josef nix:
I’m old school. I remember when there was a Journal (evening and conservative) and a Constitution (morning and liberal).
I’ll miss the newspapers ………….. end of an era.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
6:36 pm
Common Sense
That’s what we get for living in an instant, by the minute society. I still enjoy reading the paper. There’s usually a few good stories that get buried under the headlines. I don’t subscribe because, by the time I’m able to read a paper, half the day is gone and I’ve usually already seen the major stories online.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
6:49 pm
josef
I quit looking in the mirror a long time ago.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
6:57 pm
common sense, ABM
I’m from the old school. I grew up in a newspaper. Wonderful old curmudgeons out to disillusion me and still fighting the good fight themselves. Knew all the low down on the high ups and the stories they told! Vicious with a blue pen. What I truly miss are the local interest feature stories with no agenda other than a good read about colorful locals, the odd, strange and curious and such things as why those traffic signals are hanging upside down or why the Magnolia State’s office tower is decorated with sunflowers…
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
7:10 pm
josef
When the powers that be decided to focus more on ideologies instead of those local interest stories, I believe that started the downward spiral. Add that to the instant access, on-the-minute need that’s supplied by the internet, and you have a recipe for the end of the printed news.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:11 pm
Then and now…
We had a state editor who was, put mildly, a tight a**, who didn’t cotton to hijinks. In those days there were “stringers” out in the rural areas who would call in stories and, most importantly, obituaries. These latter were delegated to us young whippersnappers. The only time I ever heard him laugh was one night when we got a call from a stringer who said, “all I’m going to do is give you the facts…do with it what you will…” Turns out the deceased who weighed over 400 pounds had crashed through the johnny house and met her end…when my fellow young turk and I took to laughing we were called to task and given a dressing down on how we were supposed to treat the obits with respect…we gave him the notes and after a good chuckle ordered us to write it as “a straight obit.” We did, though, have our fun as everybody in the newsroom penned his or her own version of the story. The woman’s name was very German and the winner was a “straight news” story about a Scheisshausen accident…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:12 pm
oops…that was then, now, of course, there would be a page one story complete with trailer park references and interviews with and pictures of the grieving survivors…
Old Retired English Professor
November 22nd, 2009
7:15 pm
RW–you’re right on both counts…the question mark goes inside the quote.
I beg to differ. You aren’t asking “. . . from southern farm to table?” Rather, the quote is the “southern farm to table” and the person citing the phrase is asking the question. Therefore, the phrase quoted is not the question.
But then, I’ve been in the English business for only 50 years or so. Usage could have changed considerably since my time.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:17 pm
Da Raiders!
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:20 pm
ABM–
I agree with you on that…the instant gratification is certainly at work, but I say that it was the ideological…an old editor of mine claims it started with Watergate and Woodward and Bernstein becoming celebreties. A profession which had previously been anything but, now became “glam,” and schools of journalism were more than happy to expand their enrollments to meet the demand, filling the slots with silly drag qu*ens out for their moment on stage, the actual story insignificant…
Sorry, Jay, but as product thereof you know it’s pretty much true,,,not that this is meant your direction. I think you’d have been one of those crusty old curmudgeons if you weren’t locked into the agenda riddled newsroom of today…
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
7:22 pm
josef,
Jimmie Johnson just won his fourth consecutive season championship in NASCAR. He also grew up in a trailer park. To me that sounds like a success story but I have a feeling the usual suspects would call it two strikes.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:24 pm
Old English teacher…
That point is well taken and I was taught to do as you. The rules apparantly have changed. I went looking before I answered answered and it seems that the new style is inside the quote marks.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
7:24 pm
OREP,
That’s an explanation that actually sounds like it makes sense. Thanks.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:25 pm
Old English teacher…
That point is well taken and I was taught to do as you. The rules apparantly have changed. I went looking before I answered and it seems that the new style is inside the quote marks.
Common Sense
November 22nd, 2009
7:26 pm
AJC Headline: “Calling 911 But Where Are the Police?”
Citizens ……. prepare to defend yourselves …….. !!
http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/calling-911-but-where-208859.html
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:28 pm
OREP
Let me ask you one that’s had me in a quandry…should there be a comma before the conjunction in a coordinate clause?
Demming
November 22nd, 2009
7:31 pm
RW It takes 60 votes to end a filbuster . Thus the Dems(58) and 2 Independents who align themselves with the Dems must / did vote together to break the threatened Republican Fibilbuster . Get your facts straight!!
@@
November 22nd, 2009
7:35 pm
My friend’s husband was watching a football game. One team was wearing blue.
Good lourde….how many football games can be played on any given Sunday?
Old Retired English Professor
November 22nd, 2009
7:35 pm
Technically, the point is moot. The correct way to express words spoken of as words or phrases spoken of as phrases is to put them in italics, not quotation marks.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
7:35 pm
Demming,
My facts are sound. No matter what the Republicans do they can’t filibuster without a Democrat or Independent joining them so it would be a Democrat or Independent filibuster with Republican support. Republicans simply don’t have the numbers to mount one.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
7:41 pm
@@
Not enough, sometimes. LOL!!!
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:41 pm
OREP–
On italics…I was taught that in the newsroom where we had the capacity to switch to italics in typesetting. We’d type it in the newsroom straigt and then circle and note “itl” above it…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
7:45 pm
Common Sense- We don’t have to call the cops in Cobb County, they follow the hoodlums into the neighborhood.
Old Retired English Professor
November 22nd, 2009
7:48 pm
Let me ask you one that’s had me in a quandry…should there be a comma before the conjunction in a coordinate clause?
I’m not certain what you mean by a coordinate clause. There are independent clauses–those that could stand alone as complete sentences if not joined by a coordinating conjunction–and dependent clauses, which contain subject and predicate but cannot stand alone as complete sentences.
If you are asking whether two independent clauses joined by a coordinating conjunction shoult be separated by a comma before the coordinating conjunction, the answer is that it’s a matter of the writer’s preference and how much emphasis on readability you want to use. I tend to use the comma for the sake of readability. If you are asking whether two dependent clauses separated by a coordinating conjunction should be separated by a comma, the answer is never (however, when three dependent clauses are used in a series, the first one is always set off with a comma.) Independent clauses:
Correct: I’ll stick to my way of doing things, and I don’t care what others think.
Correct: I’ll stick to my way of doing things and I don’t care what others think.
Correct: I’ll pick you up when my car is ready and when you call me to let me know you’re ready.
Incorrect: I’ll pick you up when my car is ready, and when you call me to let me know you’re ready.
I’m sure I’ll dream of grading English composition papers tonight.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:54 pm
Common Sense
Thanks for the link…interesting read…
RW– @ 7:22
“…the usual suspects…”
It just slays me…and most of them are the ones who are the first to claim how open-minded they are and make the references when “championing” some knee-jerk cause as per the latest memo…
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 22nd, 2009
7:54 pm
I sure am glad I can just concentrate on speaking English. That way I don’t have to worry about punctuation, unless you consider a well placed cuss word as punctuation.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
7:57 pm
unless you consider a well placed cuss word as punctuation
Hillbilly D,
That’s exactly what I consider punctuation in the spoken word department.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
7:57 pm
OREP–Oops…I meant to say independent coordinate clause! And thanks for the answer. The reason I ask is that it keeps popping up greenlined and there are places (like here!) where it just don’t look right to me…
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:00 pm
Hillbilly–didn’t yore momma teach you to speak in a soft voice and not to cuss?
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 22nd, 2009
8:02 pm
didn’t yore momma teach you to speak in a soft voice and not to cuss?
Yes she did but she can let one rip too when the situation calls for it, often when reprimanding me.
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
8:07 pm
HBO will follow the 4 time Champion up to the Daytona race.
Should be good stuff.
Curb Your Enthusiasm’s last episode was one of the funniest I have seen.
They are doing another finally of Seinfeld in the last episode of the season.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:07 pm
Hillbilly–
My mama used them very sparingly, but when need arose, she could fire off one with great effect and no further punctuation necessary! She was a master of the pun and the double entendre. To say it without actually “descending into the vulgar” was her metier….
@@
November 22nd, 2009
8:07 pm
I punctuate to please my sense of balance.
“Who likes football?” = Too weighted on the right side
“Who likes football”? = Nice and balanced. That big fat question mark isn’t on the see-saw. Just the “Who likes football”
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
8:09 pm
It just occurred to me that this has been the first civil discussion of punctuation in the history of the AJC blog world.
There’s usual been at least a few GFY’s by now. (That’s good for you Mr. Moderator………but not necessarily for the rest of us)
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 22nd, 2009
8:10 pm
@@
I take it neither version of that question would be answered in the affirmitive by you?
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
8:11 pm
I just type what I think and don’t worry about it.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:13 pm
On punctuation–Granddaddy used to claim that I wrote whatever it was and then took a handfull of punctuation marks and threw them in…he also used to tell me, “Jodie, “e” may be the most common letter in English orthography, but every word doesn’t have to have one…”
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:14 pm
getalife–
I don’t even go to the trouble of typing what I think–I just type!
@@
November 22nd, 2009
8:16 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe:
You would be right. I spent a couple of seasons watching football AND baseball. Caught the fever, I did. Followed both all the way to the playoffs. My teams lost.
Nothing else got done. Not housework, yardwork, laundry, or meals.
Time wasted.
Did you get my message down on the Mr. Whitey thread?
getalife
November 22nd, 2009
8:17 pm
josef,
You write well.
Do you watch Curb….. on HBO?
Old Retired English Professor
November 22nd, 2009
8:17 pm
OREP–Oops…I meant to say independent coordinate clause.
All that’s meant by the term coordinate is the expression of equality. Thus, an independent clause is coordinate to another independent clause. Similarly, two clauses, phrases, or words of equal rank are joined by a coordinating conjunction (and, or, etc.)However, a dependent clause is subordinate to an independent clause–a dependent clause can’t correctly exist in a sentence without an independent clause on which it hangs. However, two dependent clauses can be joined by a coordinating conjunction because they’re equal in rank, while an independent clause can never be linked to a dependent clause by a coordinating conjunction, since the two are not equal in rank.
In a sense, the use of coordinate to describe an independent clause is unnecessary, since the word is meaningless without a relationship to another independent clause.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:18 pm
@@
If you enjoyed yourself, it wasn’t time wasted.
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 22nd, 2009
8:19 pm
@@
Yes I did. Thank you. My puter has been acting up for about the last month but hopefully it’s repaired now. So far, so good.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
8:23 pm
Hillbilly Deluxe:
Do not despair…mine’s always acting up. I don’t think it’s the cornputer though, I think it’s the operator…ME!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
8:29 pm
Is it an appropriate time of the season for the Bears players to start ignoring the plays their “coaches” send in?
You know, they call the dreaded screen pass, you point to your helmet, hold your hands up and then throw the ball 50 yards down the field?
I wouldn’t be angry with them.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:30 pm
OREP
“In a sense, the use of coordinate to describe an independent clause is unnecessary, since the word is meaningless without a relationship to another independent clause.”
As my students would say, “I knew that!”
coordinate versus subordinate…Miz Lura Barnette is rolling over in her grave…magnificent old dowager who taught my mom, my dad, all my siblings, me and several nieces and nephews…
I’ll never forget learning the word “osmosis.” I was having fits with neither-nor, either-or…she whapped me on the head with the lit books and said, “well maybe you can learn it by osmosis,” handed me the dictionary and said, “go look it up.” She was the first teacher in the state to continue teaching while pregnant, her argument, “I teach biology, you idiots!” She taught the humanities, the sciences and mathematics all with equal skill and fervor and you were never sure just which class you were in, so skillfully she wove them together…
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2009
8:30 pm
now, of course, there would be a page one story complete with trailer park references and interviews with and pictures of the grieving survivors…
I’m afraid you’re likely right, and I’m also afraid that’s one of those legitimate “things really were better in the old days” kinda tales.
Reminds me of a story I heard told about Pat Nixon who came across a gaggle of reporters who’d shown up at Dick Nixon’s house after he’d conceded in 1960, looking to get some more quotes. As I recall, she threw an (understandable) fit, blaming them for her husband’s bad fortune, that sort of thing.
Point of this story was, nobody in that gaggle went back and wrote about how Pat Nixon lost it. They just didn’t do that sort of thing back then.
For what it’s worth. I am not sure we’re not better overall for the trend toward anything goes, reporting-wise, but I hear about your outhouse tale and I figure it’s not all good.
Later, all.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
8:33 pm
The only punctuation needed is a few well placed 3 and 4 letter words. They work like exclamation points and sometimes question marks when needed.
I didn’t realize Jimmy Johnson grew up in a trailer park. I though he was one of those good old California boys like Jeff Gordon. I still don’t like him or Chad Knaus. The 4 championships are good, but had he competed with Earnhardt, the Allisons, Richard Petty, and Bill Elliott when they were all in their prime, he’d be just another driver in the field. The sport has totally changed from the way it used to be.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
8:34 pm
The ex con tramples the defense….
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:39 pm
Okay…here it is BUT be warned, it’s not for the prudes…
http://www.jimpoz.com/jokes/word.html
Hillbilly Deluxe
November 22nd, 2009
8:39 pm
The sport has totally changed from the way it used to be.
Amen to that. Started watching in the 60’s but can barely watch them today. Too much show biz and not enough racing. For my money, Pearson is still the best driver who ever sat in a seat.
For what it’s worth. I am not sure we’re not better overall for the trend toward anything goes, reporting-wise
Agreed. I once read an interesting column, and don’t remember who wrote it, about the public’s right to know versus the public’s need to know.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:47 pm
“For what it’s worth. I am not sure we’re not better overall for the trend toward anything goes, reporting-wise”
Well, there’s news and there’s human interest…that’s what tabloids and scandal sheets are for…the problem is that newspapers have become tabloid scandal sheets but still want the respect previously afforded a newspaper…
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
8:53 pm
Well, all this punctuation has totally unnerved me. I shall retreat to the e. e. cummings’ rules of punctuation: ex. nobody loses all the time
nobosy loses all the time
i had an uncle named
Sol who was a born failure and
nearly everybody said he should have gone
into vaudeville perhaps because my Uncle Sol could
sing McCann He was a Diver on Xmas Eve like Hell Itself which
may or may not account for the fact that my Uncle
—————————————
there is more but i leave you in suspense
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
8:57 pm
Dusty–
And then, of course, there’s James Joyce!
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
8:57 pm
The Bears are down 10-0 and their next offensive play from the line of scrimmage will be a run up the middle for a loss of 1 yard, you watch.
And to think, our coach is a “defensive guru.”
Kinda like Obozo is “loved by the world.”
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
8:58 pm
I’m wrong, it was a screen pass for 1 yard, woo hoo.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
November 22nd, 2009
9:01 pm
The government has neither the brain power or base competence to work this (reference vaccines, mammograms, etc.). Talk to any doctor about Medicare. Doctors are not going to allow themselves to be turned into glorified automobile mechanics. Talk to any Canadian (most of whom buy insurance to be treated in the States if necessary). There is nothing in the Constitution which allows the government this power grab. Of course, that is also true of abortion, but that did not stop the clowns from doing it anyway. I believe we can go to Costa Rica, Italy, etc. for care, but if this passes, in the future, the well-equipped home will have a negative pressure room in the basement where you can sneak a competent doctor into your house in the middle of the night to save your life.
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
9:06 pm
I believe the question of what to write for the news is now in question on the suicide attempt of Glenn Richardson.
He did not hide the fact that he tried to kill himself. I think that was enough.
Now we get all the information about how he did it. Who called who and what the paramedics found.
What next? The contents of his two suicide notes?
I think this is too much dabbling in private lives. A politician is still a human being (even though we express doubts at time).
TnGelding
November 22nd, 2009
9:09 pm
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
November 22nd, 2009
9:01 pm
The bills stink, but it’s the fear and paranoia that will kill the movement unless sanity is restored.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:12 pm
A politician is still a human being
I guess you’re right, Dusty, but my default is to view them first as snake oil salespersons and adjust from there. I nearly always end up adjusting downward.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:13 pm
How can we have 3 comments on this page with the counter showing 601?
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:17 pm
RW–how? It was waiting on me or you..fooled it, didn’t we…now if we can just do up the moderator…
Dusty…
I guess politicians are still human, but my jury’s out on almost the entire lot…I think we ought to subject them to a DNA test…
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
9:18 pm
Right, josef.
Newspapers are now singing “Can’t get no respect!” just like Jimi Hendrix
Or worse. “Can’t get no subscribers!”. Wonder how much newspapers are helped by bloggers?
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
9:21 pm
josef,
Give politicians a DNA test? Yes, but who’s gonna claim the baby???
Common Sense
November 22nd, 2009
9:25 pm
I Report (-: You Whine ):
As I said, prepare to defend yourself !
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
9:26 pm
Nw now RW,
Let us think positively!! There must be at least one honest politician. Diogenes still hunting??? Probably!!
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:27 pm
If the newspapers became more newsy (is that a word?) and less tabloidesque (another one for webster to figure out) you wouldn’t have to read about Richardson’s timeline for the day he fell apart. Like you Dusty, I think there’s a time when even a public figure should be given their privacy. Somebody’s gotta be the first one to respond to the media with a stern “none of your f*cking business!”
I think people who obsess over other people’s lives are lacking in their own and are simply trying to mask their shortcomings. That’s one reason I’d never subject neither my family nor myself to such scrutiny. I know I’d be the first one to tell a reporter to take that mic or pen and shove it where only their proctologist will ever know what happened to it.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:28 pm
Andy,
Let’s just hope they’re keeping Robbie’s leg in shape.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:28 pm
Dusty
I’d be willing to bet you’d find a live dodo bird before you find a honest politician.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:31 pm
I know I’d be the first one to tell a reporter to take that mic or pen and shove it where only their proctologist will ever know what happened to it.
Close, ABM, but I think I’d shove it there myself knowing I couldn’t trust them to do it.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:31 pm
RW
Robbie’s gonna help my fantasy team score a victory this week, or at least I hope so. Olsen isn’t being much of a help at this point.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:32 pm
DUSTY
“Or worse. “Can’t get no subscribers!”. Wonder how much newspapers are helped by bloggers?”
Well, if you leave the same thread up all weekend with this garrolous lot you can claim over 600 hits, easy…
“Give politicians a DNA test? Yes, but who’s gonna claim the baby???”
Koko the gorilla?
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:33 pm
RW
Good point. Pols will screw up almost anything they do.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:35 pm
ABM,
Remember when the Falcons signed Tim Mazetti out of a Philadelphia bar and he kicked five field goals to win a Monday nighter 15-14? It was pretty much his whole career but it’s the best place kicker story I know.
/Assuming it really happened….it was a long time ago.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:36 pm
ABM–
You mean politicians aren’t dodos? Coulda fooled me…
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:36 pm
josef
I’ve always thought that Bookman has the most secure job of all the opinion writers. This one topic probably has as many posts on it as Wooten, Barr, or Wingfield has in their combined posts for the entire week.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:39 pm
ABM,
We gave Bookman 20 some odd pages of comments when all he posted was a picture of a fish. Even as nutty as newspaper execs might be they’ll catch on sooner or later that our beloved host has nearly nothing to do with the response here.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:39 pm
ABM–
And just think, he owes it all to the little folks like you and me!
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:39 pm
RW
I actually saw a scroll during the Pats game looking for kickers. They were asking for people to show up tomorrow at Clark Atlanta between 1-3pm with the possibility of the Falcons being contacted.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:42 pm
josef, RW
I’ve always wanted to compare the blog entries of the opinion writers, but there’d be no comparison. Granted, about 15-20% of the posts here are on topic, but the clicks gotta do something for the AJC’s revenue stream.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
9:42 pm
My leg is in shape from kicking the furniture.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:43 pm
Andy,
Head down to Clark Atlanta tomorrow. The way Elam is going you’ve a great shot at the job.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
9:43 pm
Lovie is gutless, just like Obozo.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:45 pm
but the clicks gotta do something for the AJC’s revenue stream.
ABM,
Only if the clicks are on the ads and generate business. It doesn’t take long before advertisers figure out that your hit stats mean jack if nobody is clicking through to them.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:46 pm
josef
re your 9:36: politicians are jacka$$es. Dodo’s were the honest politicians or “statesmen”, and we know what happened to them
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:48 pm
RW
I’ve hit one or two by accident. Does that count?
hee hee hee
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:48 pm
40 seconds left in the half so the Bears are trying to get the best angle for their next FG. Some teams might actually try to score a TD.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:49 pm
ABM,
Only if you bought something or at least spent some time perusing the advertisers website.
@@
November 22nd, 2009
9:50 pm
ABM:
Remember this guy?
One of the best responses to the media I’ve ever seen.
josef nix
November 22nd, 2009
9:50 pm
ABM–
@ 9:46
Agreed…
Well, folks…time to check out…already been told to come in ready to work tomorrow…forewarned is forearmed as they say,,,
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
9:51 pm
So what’s the over/ under on Gould?
Seeing how no one else is participating.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
9:52 pm
Andy,
17
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
9:59 pm
@@
I’ve met him in person. The brief encounter I had with him made me respect him even more. For a 3-star General, he’s by far the most down to earth officer I’ve met from any of the branches. I made sure to express my gratitude for his straight talk and ensuring things got done. We need more people like him.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:03 pm
What is this freak Costas talking about, field goals and overtime injustice?
Bloodshot eyed weirdo.
Angry Black Man
November 22nd, 2009
10:06 pm
Time to pack it in. The lil one will be up with the sunrise. See y’all later…
Whiner
I’ve got a few Bears on my fantasy team, so I’m pulling for your guys tonight.
Dusty
November 22nd, 2009
10:08 pm
Goodnight, josef. Take care of those little ones tomorrow. (Koko, huh? Good one!)
Hmm, I get the impression something NOT GOOD happened on the ball field.. Will I hear tomorrow that Andy has joined a team? Hope his leg isn’t too sore from kicking the furniture.
Well, good night to all. The moderator just put my last comment to bed so I will follow the lead.. Ho hmmmmmmm…and sleep tight…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:10 pm
Yep, a one yard run up the middle, a screen pass for a three yard loss and set the Eagles up for a perfect 15 yard sack loss, is my coach a tard or what?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
10:12 pm
Andy,
I turn away from pregame and halftime on NBC since the Olberfreak is always subject to show up, but if Costas was talking NFL sudden death OT rules I agree with him. College rules are much better, but in the pros I might start them 10 yards further back.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:12 pm
In Chicago we’ve heard about the quick slant but it remains a mystery to us, like the Loch Ness monster, and to think, Bill Cowher is unemployed.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:14 pm
Win the game or suffer the evil coin toss, RW, man up.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:17 pm
A forward pass, how about that? It even got a first down, wow.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:20 pm
Maybe Gould’s leg will get strong enough to kick 95 yard field goals and we can just forego the offensive suffering we endure?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
10:22 pm
Andy,
Did you guys do something horrible to force the league to make you take this Cutler fellow?
/The referee dropped the coin and it landed on tails but he said “oops” and re-flipped where it landed on heads.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:31 pm
It’s our tradition, RW, to take a prolific high scoring Pro Bowler and turn them into a psychotic.
Perhaps we should make Cutler a “wide receiver” too?
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
10:35 pm
Holy crap!!! Now we need Robbie to kick two more.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
10:38 pm
Thanks to Johnny Knoxville we’re back in the Go”u”ld zone.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:40 pm
So what happened?
This is mental.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
10:41 pm
OK now they’re just keeping Robbie down….
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:46 pm
Whenever you see the Chicago linebackers run away from the line of scrimmage, stick another fork in your Lovie Smith voodoo doll.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
10:56 pm
Come on!
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:00 pm
Geez….now Robbie can’t even get a kick over the line.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
11:12 pm
75 yards to go for psychoffense.
RW-(the original)
November 22nd, 2009
11:18 pm
Sorry, but Cutler sucks. That was the easiest 6 ever for a real QB.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 22nd, 2009
11:31 pm
Yes he does.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
5:46 am
Wow, play by play blogging… sad really… as I suspected ALL FREAKIN DAY with the nut sacks here.
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:11 am
FOUR MORE DEAD IN AFGHANISTAN! MR. PRESIDENT, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 23rd, 2009
7:16 am
abnormal- No whining from about 5:46?
And by the way, if Lord Help Us spews from it’s position at the Waffle House grill into an empty blog, can anyone hear it
stands for decibels
November 23rd, 2009
7:19 am
Mornin’.
What Normal’s on about.
Three died on Sunday in southern Afghanistan in two separate incidents. One was killed in a small arms attack by insurgents and the other two when a roadside bomb exploded. A fourth service member died in eastern Afghanistan Monday in a roadside bomb attack. American soldiers are primarily fighting in southern and eastern Afghanistan.
[...]
Reuters reported on Monday that two Afghan ministers suspected of embezzlement have been summoned for investigation, according to Deputy Attorney General Fazel Ahmad Faqiryar, and other officials were also being targeted by the inquiry.
It was not clear when the Obama administration would announce its response to the request for more American troops.
Apart from American forces, other NATO countries have around 35,000 troops in Afghanistan. Prime Minister Gordon Brown of Britain has said he will urge other NATO countries to increase that number by 5,000, but there has been a reluctance among the allies to commit reinforcements.
[...]
According to icasualties.org, a Web site that tracks casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, American forces lost 59 service personnel killed in October, the deadliest month in the war that began with the overthrow of the Taliban regime in late 2001. The latest deaths brought to 16 the number of Americans killed so far this month.
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:24 am
Whiner, I’m not sure what the 5:46 is about. BTW, how did the Bears do?
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
7:32 am
Normal
Bring the troops home? Don’t be silly. Thoughts like that could hurt his golf game.
86 days since the request to send more troops. Support our troops or bring them home, if you can find the time between your speeches, your world travels and your golf game. People are dying you incompetent, spineless POS.
I said for the year before he was installed by the media that he was an empty suit.
Convinced yet?
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:34 am
Never mind Whiner, I just saw how the Bears did…sorry.
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:37 am
NIF, I am leaning that way. I have said here many times that the only reason I voted for him was his promise to bring the troops home…But I believed Nixon, too…I guess I’m just gullible.
stands for decibels
November 23rd, 2009
7:39 am
the only reason I voted for him was his promise to bring the troops home
When did candidate Barack Obama promise to withdraw troops from Afghanistan?
stands for decibels
November 23rd, 2009
7:44 am
I really didn’t intend my post 7.39 as a “gotcha,” but a quick perusing of politifact’s truth-o-meter reveals, in case it had been forgotten, that in fact Obama he had promised something quite the opposite. And he kept that promise.
TnGelding
November 23rd, 2009
7:53 am
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:37 am
You’re in good company!
TnGelding
November 23rd, 2009
7:57 am
“Pakistan to US: Don’t surge in Afghanistan, talk to Taliban”
“Islamabad, Pakistan – The Pakistani government has some advice the Obama administration may not want to hear as it contemplates sending additional US troops to neighboring Afghanistan: Negotiate with Taliban leaders and restrain India.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1122/p06s01-wosc.html
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:58 am
You are right, of course, he was talking about Iraq. But though he said that Afghanistan was the “right” war, he knew that Osama Bin Laden was no longer there. But, bottom line, they need to come home. Their mission is worn out, their equipment is worn out, and they are worn out and used up. They need to come home.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:00 am
db
Do you think that he might just make a friggin’ decision? About anything besides which speech to make and which club to use? 86 days to make a decision. Could he just do something? ANYTHING?
He is already the absolute worst we have ever had in the White House.
TnGelding
November 23rd, 2009
8:00 am
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
7:58 am
Many of them don’t have a “home” to come home to. What an unnecessary tragedy.
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November 23rd, 2009
8:01 am
abnormal- If had called anyone a “nutsack” at 5:46 in the morning, the comments for the next several hours would be devoted to you liberals and mike whining about what an extremist I am.
You know, like yesterday.
I’m just kinda of curious as to why the usual blubberers saw no reason to blubber.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:04 am
TnGelding
Talk to the Taliban?
Sure
Why not.
Maybe they can hit a few rounds. Have them over for a beer summit. If there’s one thing he can do is talk. So far, that has accomplished NOTHING, but sure. Let’s talk.
I’m sure that the people who had Saturday Night women torture rodeos will be more than willing to give up their beliefs for the betterment of America. Why didn’t Bush think of that?
TnGelding
November 23rd, 2009
8:06 am
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:00 am
Is it your hatred of Obama or your denial of Bush’s miserable failures that cause your irrationality?
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
8:09 am
I’m sorry Whiner, I had other things on my mind this morning. You are correct though.
TnGelding
November 23rd, 2009
8:09 am
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:04 am
I’ve never had no quarrel with no Taliban. They’re the Afghans problem. Let them deal with it. Bush was talking with them before 09/11, and should have continued to afterward.
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:10 am
TnGelding
I don’t hate Obama. He is what he is: a lying Chicago elitist politician. I hate the ignorance and the denial of the clueless people that still support the incompetent SOB.
Oh yes. Bush was wanting to wiretap our enemies. Aren’t we glad we got rid of him. Now we can bring them to New York and give the 9-11 planners all the rights that American Citizens have.
Aren’t you proud?
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:13 am
TnGelding
**I’ve never had no quarrel with no Taliban.**
I would probably feel the same way except those damned Saturday Night women torture rodeos that was covered by NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC. I don’t know. Something about beating a woman to death in public for reading her brother’s text book just sort of gets to me.
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November 23rd, 2009
8:15 am
Moonbats-
Papers show earlier Iraqi invasion plan- Leaked British government documents call into question ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair’s public statements on the buildup to the Iraq war and show plans for the U.S.-led 2003 invasion were being made more than a year earlier, a newspaper reported Sunday.-Urinal
Yeah, about the same amount of time it’s taken Obozo to figure out Afghanistan, so you are saying Bush carefully contemplated all of the available options, AJC?
What a bunch of goony mouth breathing hacks you liberals are, Bush spent 8 solid months pursuing UN sanctions and telling everyone that he would invade if those resolutions failed.
Congress voted yes on it 4 months earlier.
What do you libs think, wars begin when someone wakes up in the morning, decides they want to invade and yells “charge?”
little children
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:16 am
Normal
Have a good day and keep thinking. Remember rational thought is the Democrat’s worst enemy.
I have a business and other people’s jobs to try and save. I won’t be here much this week.
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 23rd, 2009
8:20 am
Baghdad Bob is alive and well, and works at the AJC-
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran on Sunday began large-scale air defense war games aimed at protecting its nuclear facilities from attack, state TV reported, as an air force commander boasted the country could deter any military strike by Israel. -Urinal
ew, I’ll bet Israel is just quaking in their boots.
Imagine a mass of ragheads shaking their fists at the sky, blowing themselves up in enraged liberal like fury, while Israeli jets loiter over the assembled lunatics at 50,000 feet, annihilating targets at will.
Anybody who thinks the Iranians will be scrambling their fighters is scrambled in the head.
TnGelding
November 23rd, 2009
8:21 am
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:10 am
The incompetent SOB’s administration and the Fed ended the recession in
six short months. Give him a little more time, and if you’re objective I think you’ll change your mind. Don’t work too hard today saving the world from the greed, fraud and incompetence. And be extra nice to your clients or customers, even if they are clueless.
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
8:21 am
NIF, this is just the way I see it so forgive me, but we HAVE to try them in The States, and what better place than NYC? They HAVE to be given Due Process because that is the backbone of our Justice system.
We have to show the Middle East in particular, and the rest of the world in gereral, that we stand behind our principles and won’t drag them through a kangaroo court. We have to proceed on the belief that they are innocent until proven guilty.
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November 23rd, 2009
8:30 am
yosef- The liberals at the AJC hate you and yours:
Seven injured in Israeli air assault- Israeli aircraft attacked two suspected weapons making factories and a smuggling tunnel in the Gaza Strip early Sunday in what the military said was retaliation for Palestinian rocket fire into southern Israel.-Urinal
They long for Iran to blow Israel out of the sky and they purposefully imply that the “seven injured” were civilians, not to mention that they never reported the original Hamas rocket fire, seems a bit biased, doesn’t it?
Nothing Is Free
November 23rd, 2009
8:34 am
TnGelding
1/4th of his administration is gone and he has done nothing. I am a small business owner and I am seeing every single thing he is doing hurting my business and every business that I know of. That’s reality. If you think the recession is over, you are not on this planet.
Normal
So why are the people that blew up the Cole still being tried in military tribunals? Could it be that they WERE Mirandized and actually could be convicted in civilian courts? This is a show trial, pal. It will eventually be a trail about how waterboarding resulted in the release of these people. The Democrats mistakenly think that this will convince the American people that the CIA and Bush is at fault. Obama is campaigning for 2012.
I don’t have time to wait for your answer, but please consider that murderers are set free if their house is searched without a warrant. Please consider how these enemy combatants, captured on a battlefield and given no Maranda rights, detained for 6 years without charges are going to be tried in a civil court and then convicted. I’m not an attorney and I’m pretty sure that I could get them released.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
8:34 am
Do unto others and all that nut sack… Or did you forget that simple tenet of christianity? That would be suprising since you are, as you’ve pointed out here in your Libural blog home many many times before, the most pious one here…
Waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
8:40 am
NIF, I’m a small busniness owner as well, and my business has been great for the last 60 days… the two years before that however were not so good.
Thus far NOTHING Obama has done has hurt my business or affected my day to day existence.
I’ve asked here on this blog many times for someone to enumerate the actual adversities that Obama has put upon thier daily lives… Many times been answered with crickets…
Please…, since you brought it up, please do tell how anything Obama has done is negatively affecting you small business or daily existence.
Extra Credit: If you do meet the challenge, you gety extra credit for telling us how McCain/Palin would’ve been any better for you…
I Report (-: You Whine )-: mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 23rd, 2009
8:40 am
Aahhh, yes, it’s break time at the Waffle House.
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
8:40 am
Rightwing Troll, chill please.
————-
NIF, I do see the dangers, but we must keep the moral high ground here.
We have a lot to prove and this will be the best way to do it.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
8:40 am
Morning all, my otherwise VERY busy day has been pushed back, so…
NIF when we have time I’d like to discuss this claim that BHO is already worse than his predecessor…
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
8:43 am
Rightwing Troll, my admonishment was for your two earlier posts. Your 08:40 was very good, thank you.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
8:45 am
Normal… “do unto others…”
AmVet, I’m trying… god bless thier little hearts… I’m trying to find out what Obama is doing that is hurting them…
They just can’t seem to tell us where the pain is coming from, just that they know the “pain is there” or “it will be there if Obama does this or that”…
stands for decibels
November 23rd, 2009
8:45 am
Normal @ 7.58, I am not at all far from where you’ve landed on this issue. I would like for us to have the lightest possible footprint in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I don’t, however, see how you do that by withdrawing all of the forces, and it pains me to write this, but I would be shocked if Obama were to assent to your wishes and actually bring all the ground troops home from that part of the world in short order. Or (god, it’s hard to type this) even during his first term.
I just don’t think the world will allow him to do that. Even Presidents get made offers they can’t refuse, and that’s true for every one that’s served since Washington.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
8:49 am
Just to clarify what’s been clarified here many many times before…
I’m am not happy about what Obama has done and is doing, but there simply wasn’t any alternatives for me…
The best thing that could happen for the country would be a return of balance next year by a Republican takeover of the senate or house. That wouldn’t neccessarily be the best thing for this blog however…
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
8:54 am
RT, unless and until BHO gets five thousand GIs KIA’d, all “justified” via duplicitous BS, he is IMHO not even in the same league as GWB…
norman ravitch
November 23rd, 2009
8:56 am
I have nothing against filibusters but I think those who want to stop legislation should have to appear in person to read the phone book and deprive themselves of sleep, as they used to do when they were opposing the civil rights movement. Put up or shut up. Now it is too easy.
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
8:59 am
stands for decibels
November 23rd, 2009
8:45 am
Stands, if we had a Draft going and we could cycle in fresh troops to replace the ones there, I would agree. But I’m telling you now that we have put our people beyond there endurance. I pridict that one day soon we will have another Fort Hood tradgy and it won’t be an extremist. It will be some poor soldier who cracked. I saw it happen in Nam, when we WERE rotated. My G-d man, unless you’ve lived it, you just don’t understant the strain. They need to come home and we need to do what ever it takes to heal them
david wayne osedach
November 23rd, 2009
9:00 am
I am surprised that they got this far! Congress may even pass a health care bill next year!
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
9:01 am
The best thing that could happen for the country would be a return of balance next year by a Republican takeover of the senate or house.
I tend to agree with that…
Bosch
November 23rd, 2009
9:04 am
Wow – the blogs was busy in the past 24 hours.
Bosch
November 23rd, 2009
9:06 am
Wow. I need some more caffeine.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
9:10 am
The best thing that could happen for the country would be a return of balance next year by a Republican takeover of the senate or house.
Wait just a cotton pickin moment fellas!
On the surface that all sounds very reasoned and reasonable.
BUT… if by that you mean restacking the Congressional deck with neo-cons and chickenhawks, BushCo apologists and acolytes, NO friggin thanks.
Show me a new cadre of young, capable GOPers (and how about a few vets, huh, Big Tenters?) who would stand up and forcefully denounce all of the neo-con blunders, “policies”, etc and forswear to drive the hijacked GOP in a new direction?
A direction not predicated on the 1950s?
Hell yeah, I’d vote for guys like that.
But TRUST ME, that is NOT what you’re going to see next year…
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
9:13 am
AmVet, after reading your explaination, all I can say is I musta been blinded by the shine…
Curious Observer
November 23rd, 2009
9:30 am
The best thing that could happen for the country would be a return of balance next year by a Republican takeover of the senate or house.
Just what we need–another shutdown of the federal government for show, a la Newt Gingrich. Thanks, but we don’t need another Contract on America, nor do we need more tax cuts for the wealthiest among us.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
9:31 am
Normal, it is easily done.
BHO is just the latest example of where style is more valued than substance in politics.
He looks good, he is eloquent, he is clearly very bright – which is in and of itself a big change from his predecessor – but in spite of the flowery rhetoric, he offers almost NO HOPE & CHANGE.
And last fall, I said so.
I am still amazed that these neo-cons don’t like this guy! (Actually I am not. That would require some basic integrity and intellectual honesty.)
He has kept NUMEROUS George of the Bungle policies in place – the fascistic suspension of habeus corpus, GITMO, using other fascists in American corporations to spy on Americans, and on and on.
The other part of this equation – in addition to the addled conned without ANY ability to accurately assess a politician correctly – is how the blacks in the nation fell for his b&llsh^t.
He is not going to help the bottom one hundred million Americans virtually at all…
He owes his soul to the company store (in the WORST kind of way)…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUpTJg2EBpw&feature=related
TW
November 23rd, 2009
9:31 am
AmVet – totally agree…the legitimate conservative voice should be an integral part of our country’s debate.
But it sold it’s soul when it embrace ‘w’s credit card economy, and then climbed in bed with simple sarah’s cadre of smoke and mirrors.
And now the right is nothing but a flea infestation for having laid with those dogs.
Those at greatest fault for the impending liberal tsunami are the so-called ‘keepers’ of the conservative voice for the last decade.
Both the stimulus and the health care bill ought have the smiling face of carl rove atop them both
Joey
November 23rd, 2009
9:37 am
“legitimate conservative voice”
And who determines what or who’s voice is legitimately conservative?”
No surprise, it is Progressive/Liberal voices combined with the Left Wing of our Media.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
9:39 am
The ONLY silver lining to this debauched, fake conservative ideology is the electoral humiliation that ensued after Americans finally woke up to George of the Bungle and his deadly thugs.
And still I cannot quite comprehend that a major political party in this country can LOSE 94% OF ALL THE NATIONAL RACES in two straight elections.
As I’ve noted before, a reverse DiMaggio like “accomplishment” that will never be seen again…
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
9:44 am
Joey, good point.
But ONLY because the Republicans themselves have defaulted on that responsibility. (Among innumerable others it would seem.)
At least to the point where reasonable people don’t bust out laughing out loud at their “definition”.
I would certainly be embarrassed if I was one of them and had to satisfy that question.
At this point in our history, they are as confused and conflicted as a petulant, self obsessed fourteen year old brat that can’t figure out why nobody likes her.
And accordingly their future looks pretty awful.
Selah…
Joey
November 23rd, 2009
9:53 am
AmVet:
I must conclude that you do not see me or any of the other non-Progressive poster here as reasonable people.
We do listen, hear, read, comprehend and make decision based on what we learn and know.
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November 23rd, 2009
9:53 am
Not that it matters politically because obviously she’s a female Republican dunce and he’s a male Democrat genius.
But Sarah Palin’s poll numbers are strengthening.
And Barack Obama’s are sliding.
Guess what? They’re about to meet in the 40’s.
Over the weekend, that following flocked to Roanoke, Virginia’s Barnes & Noble store, where Palin held a book signing Sunday for her new book, “Going Rogue.”
But the festivities turned into much more than just a book signing: Fans began lining up more than 24 hours prior to Palin’s visit.
Cue the psychotics.
jconservative
November 23rd, 2009
9:55 am
TW at 9:31 am.
Lot of truth in your comment. I would take the problem back even further. We inaugurated a new president in 1981 & the national debt was $960 billion. The first thing that president did was increase spending while cutting taxes, income down, spending up. And except for a two year hiatus under Clinton/Republican congress, that has been what has happened every year since 1981. Today the national debt is $12 Trillion.
You can cut taxes & cut spending. You can increase spending & increase taxes. But you cannot increase spending & cut taxes.
Now we have an electorate that will not allow government spending to be cut. Oh, they might stop “new” spending, but they will not cut the programs already on the books. And that same electorate will not allow an increase in taxes to pay for those programs already on the books.
In 1981 we, as a nation, decided to allow our kids & grand kids to pay for an increase in our personal income. That increase in personal income came from tax cuts. And to emphasize the decision we made, we re-elected that president by giving him 49 of 50 states.
Will any of you vote for a candidate for president who promises to:
1 – Cut spending
2 – Increase taxes
3 – Pay off the national debt
No you will not – Mondale ran on just that & carried one state.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
9:57 am
Joey, again a valid point.
So please do help me understand what and who is “legitimately conservative”?
Seriously.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of this for a long time…
Angry Black Man
November 23rd, 2009
9:58 am
G’morning all
If there were a third party of centrist to spring forward in 2010 and balance out Congress, I think we could get something done. A Republican/Conservative takeover will only give the same result as jerking the steering wheel to the right to overcompensate for drifting into the median on the left. We’ll only end up in the ditch on the right.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:01 am
Normal,
You call our professional military prosecutors a kangaroo court and claim that a civilian court is the way to prove to the world how great our justice system is. Are you aware that the President has said that these guys will never be set free even if exonerated in the New York courtroom?
I think you’ve got a pretty warped view of what constitutes a kangaroo court.
Angry Black Man
November 23rd, 2009
10:04 am
jconservative @ 9:55
Bravo and polite golf clap!!
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
10:04 am
“But the festivities turned into much more than just a book signing: Fans began lining up more than 24 hours prior to Palin’s visit.”
I was at a bookstore this weekend and they had Sarah’s book on display. I was sorta surprised at how many people were perusing it. I mentioned that to my wife and a guy who was reading the book, said something like, he had to look at it much in the same way he has to slow down and look at a car wreak. Just morbid curiosity.
Further along in our chat, he offered that all of the people who show up for her signings are the same ones who would show up to see a baby panda. They just want to be entertained. I don’t know, you decide…
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:07 am
Good morning ABM,
I wholeheartedly disagree with your 9:58. Balancing a radical leftist with a few moderates only serves to slow the journey into the abyss. Things are so far left now we need a strong conservative power base in some area of government just to get anywhere near the center.
Normal
November 23rd, 2009
10:09 am
RW, I don’t think you understand the “Big Picture” here. By treating these men to the same justice system that we would want, we are proving that we are not just looking for revenge or out to make martyrs out of them. I think, in the long run, will do more to help us win “hearts and minds”, than our troops on the ground ever could.
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:09 am
Normal,
How many people do you see lined up at the street corner waiting 24 hours in advance to see a car wreck?
Boogers for the Children Fund
November 23rd, 2009
10:10 am
Google up $13.00 per share this a.m.
ADP up 79 cents per share this a.m.
Any of you get in on this action I posted weeks ago?
Awww…I thought so!
MO MONEY, MO MONEY, MO MONEY!!!
Joey
November 23rd, 2009
10:11 am
“Legitimately Conservative”
AmVet;
That is your label, not mine.
If you want to define it and select people who qualify, please proceed.
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
10:11 am
Normal, the entire political system I referenced above – style over substance – reeks of one step removed from American idol.
Entertainment for the vapid and vacuous. All fueled by HUGE money and the self-serving interests therein…
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:11 am
Normal, @ 10:09,
The President said we’ll keep them in custody forever even if they’re found not guilty. How does that help us win “hearts and minds”
TW
November 23rd, 2009
10:12 am
jconservative – very well stated.
But is not extending the payment to our children just a manifestation of the credit mentality? A mentality fostered by our capitalistic model as it feeds upon the lazy (both right and left) America we’ve become?
After all, it seems to me that the lazy/sorriness of the self-proclaimed ‘non-liberal’ has surmounted the fabricated number they claim to be the recipients of their ‘welfare,’ thus broadening the base for the credit-seeking moron to historical proportions.
Go to Walmart in Canton this weekend.
Angry Black Man
November 23rd, 2009
10:12 am
Let’s see if we can learn anything about past accomplishments or mistakes today:
Today in history:
1992 – 10,000,000 cellular telephone sold
1991 – A day before he dies, Freddie Mercury, 45, confirms he has AIDS
1985 – 58 die as Egyptian commandos storm hijack Egyptair jet in Malta
1984 – Boston College QB Doug Flutie passes (472 yards), including game ending 48 yard TD (Hail Mary Pass) to end game & beat Miami 47-45
1979 – Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” released, sells 6 million copies in 2 weeks
1971 – China People’s Republic seated in UN Security Council
1963 – JFK’s body, lay in repose in East Room of White House
1963 – “Doctor Who,” the long-running British sci-fi series debuts in England
1954 – For the first time, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closes above the peak it reached just before the 1929 crash.
1947 – Wash Redskin Sammy Baugh passes for 6 touchdowns vs Chi Cards (45-21)
1943 – US forces take control of Tarawa, Gilbert Island & Makin from Japanese
1942 – German 4th & 6th Army surrounded at Stalingrad
1936 – Life magazine hit newsstands
1921 – Pres Harding signs Willis Campell Act (anti-beer bill) forbidding doctors prescribing beer or liquor for medicinal purposes
1889 – Debut of 1st jukebox (Palais Royale Saloon, San Francisco)
1887 – Notre Dame loses its 1st football game 8-0 to Michigan (See it’s not all Charlie Weiss’ fault)
1869 – In Dumbarton, Scotland, the clipper Cutty Sark is launched – one of the last clippers ever to be built, and the only one still surviving to this day.
1864 – -25] Battle at Ball’s Ferry Georgia (30 casualties)
1765 – People of Frederick County Md refuse to pay England’s Stamp tax (The originators of the Tea Parties)
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:15 am
I’ll take 1984. One shouldn’t be calling a football play a “Hail Mary” pass when the participants are from a Catholic School.
@@
November 23rd, 2009
10:17 am
Dennis Moore (D) won’t seek re-election
I guess we’ll just have to wait to hear it from the donkey’s mouth, but “The Kansas City Star’s” speculating that this may be the reason he’s leaving:
All told The Kansas City Star that they believed Moore, who won his last race 56 to 40 percent over Jordan, was in trouble because of his support for many of President Barack Obama’s initiatives, including the stimulus package and health care reform.
“He’s very vulnerable,” O’Hara said. “He’s become a voting machine for the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.”
It’s a slow death of the liberal left. It’s what I’ve been waiting for.
TW
November 23rd, 2009
10:19 am
Joey – a good start might be some reading on a guy named William Buckley…
Angry Black Man
November 23rd, 2009
10:20 am
Excellent point RW.
Paul
November 23rd, 2009
10:20 am
G’morning, Normal
I have to agree with RW-(the original) on this. To assert the military justice system, specifically the tribunal rules established for these combatants, with guidance from the Court and put into practice by Congress and the Executive, doesn’t follow ‘due process; is a bit off.
In fact, given Congress toiled so long, adjusting as the Supremes kept coming up with new guidance, to establish the commissions, then Pres Obama did an Executive Power Play (in the manner of all those Bush fascist dictator power grabs, etc etc etc) – well, if it wasn’t all politics a few years back we’d have heard the same from the Congress, not meek acquiescence.
And regarding Palin’s book, do you have any idea how many more people would’ve been perusing it if, instead of calling it “Going Rogue” she’d have called it “Going Commando”?
Gale
November 23rd, 2009
10:22 am
1984 comment from the non-sports fan. I read that twice thinking, “A 472 yard pass?!. Wow!
RW-(the original)
November 23rd, 2009
10:24 am
Jay B finally built a room upstairs……
AmVet
November 23rd, 2009
10:28 am
“Legitimately Conservative”
AmVet;
That is your label, not mine.
Joey, sorry, but that is factually incorrect.
Otherwise please cite.
At 9:57 I quoted you – “legitimate conservative voice” And who determines what or who’s voice is legitimately conservative?” – at 9:37.
Enough parsing and evasion though.
Again, in your estimation who are these “legitimately conservative” people and what exactly do they posit to warrant such a claim?
Surely out of this great “movement” you could name a dozen or two off the top of your head and with some limited effort explain why they are so labeled?
How about two or three for starters?
Again, I am just curious about this over(mis?)used term…
Paul
November 23rd, 2009
10:31 am
Normal
[[By treating these men to the same justice system that we would want,]]
These guys never fell into any of the protections from the start – what we’ve done is thru necessity on our part. No one at the start made a serious case these guys were entitled to full US Constitutional protections (warrants, Miranda, etc). But their very status, lack of uniforms, not being part of a national military force or signatories, they were not entitled to Geneve protections. So the Bush administration (and now the Obama administration) have made bungled attempts to harmonize existing systems rather than come up with something original.
But back to your earlier point, we’d want anything that wasn’t common practice before (execution out of hand for those in civilian clothes conducting military operations and killing civilians). The first break from this to going through legal proceedings was WWII with nonuniformed Germans captured in the continental US in WWII. They were not put in civilian court – it was military court.
Old Vet
November 23rd, 2009
10:49 am
Only people who’ve never been in the military believe that military justice is fair and impartial. Whether it’s merely “office hours” for being a few hours late from leave or a full court martial, you’re guilty before the talking even starts. Overseas observers would view a trial before a military tribunal in the same way we used to view one of the old Soviet show trials.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
11:15 am
I completely stand by what I’ve said. Young, fresh and full of NEW ideas, or the same old extremist rightwing nut sacks. Our country does much better when the Gov is balanced. It forces the nut sacks and moonbats to be “mouth breathing aisle reachers”… we all are much better off when that happens.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
11:19 am
And I’m still waiting for that emuneration of the ills in your life(s) directly caused by anything Obama has done (not “what will” happen, but what has happened)… anybody???
For example:
Has Obama and Rahm showed up on your doorstep to collect your firearms? If yes, then your life has been adversely affected, if no, “Obama’s going to come get my guns” will not suffice.
Rightwing Troll
November 23rd, 2009
11:23 am
“Cue the psychotics.”
Already been queued…
Tom
November 23rd, 2009
12:59 pm
The weak, needy, cowardly, rancid Repugs will wear them down – thereby once again snatching Defeat from the jaws of Victory. Onward to – the 1950’s!!!
Mrs. Godzilla
November 24th, 2009
9:28 am
Let’s see
Future POTUS defends Brit Army dudes accused of Boston Massacre in Boston….
Just a little insight into the founding fathers.
Perhaps if the victims were called potential Americans….maybe if they were called blastocyst Americans…..