Is the Illinois GOP really that scared of mutant terrorists?

The Obama administration is seriously studying the use of a prison 150 miles from Chicago as a site to hold inmates now imprisoned at Guantanamo. The move is being embraced by Illinois Democrats, but GOP House members from Illinois have signed a letter to the president opposing the move:

Dear Mr. President:

According to the Chicago Tribune, your Administration may transfer up to 200 Al Qaeda terrorists from their detention facility in Guantanamo Bay a prison in Thomson, Illinois, 150 miles from Chicago.

If your Administration brings Al Qaeda terrorists to Illinois, our state and the Chicago Metropolitan Area will become ground zero for Jihadist terrorist plots, recruitment and radicalization.

Furthermore, since Thomson is located in the Northern District of Illinois, any civilian prosecution of Al Qaeda terrorists would occur in Rockford or downtown Chicago.

As home to America’s tallest building, we should not invite Al Qaeda to make Illinois its number one target.

The United States spent more than $50 million to build the Guantanamo Bay detention facility to keep terrorists away from U.S. soil. Al Qaeda terrorists should stay where they cannot endanger American citizens.

As elected officials in the State of Illinois, we urge you to put the safety and security of Illinois families first and stop any plan to transfer Al Qaeda terrorists to our state.

That raises a question: Are these guys really craven cowards, or are they merely willing to play craven cowards in an attempt to gain political advantage? Do they really think that Chicago, “The City of Big Shoulders,” has become Chicago, the City of Frightened Whiners?

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In fact, if you embrace the attitude reflected in that letter, we ought to just quit fighting al Qaida altogether — that way, maybe they won’t be mad at us anymore.

Personally, the most charitable explanation I can think of is that the GOP has gotten al Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood confused with the evil Magneto and the Brotherhood of Mutants. They seem to think that Islamic terrorists can melt steel prison bars by staring at them, that they can shape-shift themselves right out of federal Supermax custody.

Even as political theater, this strikes me as a loser. The American people do not want leaders who treat them as cowards.

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mm

November 16th, 2009
10:33 am

Republicans are cowards that politicize everything.

AF

November 16th, 2009
10:36 am

It doesn’t matter where the people held at Guantanamo are jailed in the US. The Republicans will object. They are not about solving problems. They are only about the GREAT “NO”.

Zedd

November 16th, 2009
10:46 am

No worries, the Republicans will attach an ammendment to the health care bill or one of the budget bills that will prevent the transfer of Guantanamo inmates to US prisons.

Call it like it is.

November 16th, 2009
10:47 am

Jay you are completely reaching on this and trying to paint this as the Republicans are the only ones who have an issue on this is silly. Even worse trying to paint them as cowards or whinners is insulting at best. I am sure you could go to Chicago and find plenty of Democrats that do not want these guys in their backyard. Any American who still has a thought or image of 9/11 can see what these guys and their croanies are capable of. I for one would not want them jailed in Atlanta where attention could be drawed to our city and its surrounding communities, does that make me a coward?

Jay I just didnt realize how brave you and the left are. I am surprise your not using your full potential. Stop writing this dribble and go suit up Captain Caveman and go fight for America.

Jackie

November 16th, 2009
10:48 am

For all those at Guantanamo found guilty and put in jail in the US, who will protect those found guilty from the prisoners?

I am afraid they would not last very long.

Finn McCool

November 16th, 2009
10:49 am

Call It Like It Is,

Cowards

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
10:51 am

Jackie @ 10:48 – I dont’ mean this disrespectful, but the only thing I can think of in response to your post is:

So?

Finn McCool

November 16th, 2009
10:52 am

AF, the Republicans like to say “Yes” to only one thing: Lowering taxes.

They love living in ‘Murica but somebody else is gonna have to pay for it to exist.

Finn McCool

November 16th, 2009
10:55 am

If the Democrats really wanted a Republican or two to support health care reform, they could just lower somebody’s (anybody’s) taxes and a few of them would go limp.

[I'm about to get on the road so I have to submit all my rants before I log off! heh heh heh]

Jackie

November 16th, 2009
10:57 am

@Bosch

I think the best way to punish those that perpetuated this upon us is to keep them in jail for the rest of their natural lives. Killing them quickly is too easy. Let them sit there knowing they will never leave the facility they are assigned.

I find it a better means of retribution than the state putting them to death or tacitly “allowing” their demise.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
10:57 am

Yep, they really are that scared.

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
10:58 am

If the Democrats really wanted a Republican or two to support health care reform, they could just lower somebody’s (anybody’s) taxes and a few of them would go limp.

They did. It was part of the 787 billion dollar stimulus bill, remember?

Those tax cuts, however, weren’t real because, well, they weren’t massive handouts to billionaires. Everyone knows you can’t have growth without massive handouts to billionaires.

Just like everyone knows that Al Qaeda terrorists are superhuman.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 16th, 2009
11:00 am

“has gotten al Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood confused with the evil Magneto and the Brotherhood of Mutants.”

All one in the same.

Perhaps some of these kind IL Dems might allow a few of the gitmo prisoners to take up residence in their humble abode. After all, they are harmless.

Typical dems handing off the problem to others.
Democrats…the party of Zero responsiblity.

Jay

November 16th, 2009
11:01 am

Call It, I would be perfectly comfortable having those mutant terrorists imprisoned at the Atlanta Pen, which is just three or four miles from my house as the crow flies. How about you? Does that notion terrify you? I suspect not. I suspect you recognize this as baseless fear-mongering but just won’t admit it.

Jackie, the Gitmo gang would be kept entirely segregated from the general prison population, with no contact whatsoever.

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
11:03 am

As home to America’s tallest building, we should not invite Al Qaeda to make Illinois its number one target.

We should only house the Gitmo guys in states with really really short buildings.

Finn McCool

November 16th, 2009
11:05 am

In the last year, wholesale prices of brand-name prescription drugs has increased around 9 percent in what some say is the largest increase since 1992. These increases are taking place even though prices around the country are generally falling. The industry insists its price increases have nothing to do with health care reform, which it has vowed to support by cutting $80 billion over 10 years from the nation’s drug bill. But critics contend that promise won’t mean much if prices keep increasing at the current pace, which would already add $10 billion to the nation’s health care costs. One expert says this isn’t the first time the industry has increased prices in anticipation of important legislation, noting that the same thing happened in 2006 when Congress added drug benefits to Medicare
http://slatest.slate.com/id/2235750/entry/1/

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 16th, 2009
11:05 am

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
11:03 am

LOL…or really really short people.

booger

November 16th, 2009
11:05 am

The issue is not fear for those with common sense. Guitmo is a building sitting on a piece of land. Neither the building nor the land has ever treated an inmate badly. Policies, and actions by people may or may not have treated them badly depending on your point of view. As a conservative, I think it it ridiculous to spend $100,000,000 to move a group of people from one buliding on a piece of land to another buliding on another piece of land. The policies and people have already been changed, so what’s the problem?

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
11:05 am

Yep…we started on Jay’s blog Saturday saying….they’re harmless.

All us dems….harmless harmless harmless…..

Some of us called them little lambs

Some of us called them sweetie punkin lovey bunnies

NOT

Boogers, quit being so snotty!

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
11:06 am

Jackie,

Again, I respectfully disagree – more because how I feel about the death penalty. I am for the death penalty, and if these people are found guilty, then I think they should be executed. Now, I know that will make these people martyrs in their own land, and I really don’t care about that to be honest. They are going to be martyrs regardless and I don’t want our tax dollars going to house these people. If they are found innocent, then let them go home – which in all liklihood they will have deep seeded resentement towards the US and could possibly become a terrorist. Again, that is not something I can control, but keeping them imprisoned because we are scared of what they might do is simply not, in my opinion, what our country represents and how it should be behaving.

mm

November 16th, 2009
11:13 am

Booger,

“Perhaps some of these kind IL Dems might allow a few of the gitmo prisoners to take up residence in their humble abode.”

Typical apples to oranges tripe from the right.

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
11:15 am

I don’t want our tax dollars going to house these people.

Not this dead, smelly dog again…

Look, you want to argue that the death penalty makes sense because it’s kewl to kill nasty ol’ terrists, make that argument.

But it makes no economic sense whatsoever. It is much, much more expensive–and it MUST be much, much more expensive–to impose a death penalty, because for us to call ours a “justice system” you HAVE to have appeal phases to exhaust every last shred of reasonable doubt before an execution takes place.

The kind of legal defense a death penalty defendant has is mandated by a SCOTUS ruling. Put another way, killing a guy on the taxpayer’s dime cannot be easy or cheap.

So that’s a bogus argument. It would be, undoubtedly, far cheaper to keep guilty parties locked up for life than to run another appeal or three, with all the attendant legal costs.

mm

November 16th, 2009
11:18 am

I guess the righties conveniently forgot that the Bush administration tried Zacharias Mousawi (sp?)in Virginia. Hypocrisy rules for the GOP.

Joan

November 16th, 2009
11:22 am

I am surprised that you think Republicans are scared. We are the ones who have the guns. Why would be we scared? I figure these guys are going to the Chicago pen because this is Obama’s way of paying back some political debts. I would like very much for some investigative reporter with a little integrity to look into exactly whose back is being scratched that has resulted in the transfer to the Chicago pen. I guess I wonder too, why haven’t we just tried and executed these losers? Or take them out to the middle of the ocean and release them?

j$

November 16th, 2009
11:27 am

Obama Oil Exploration Initiative (OOEI):

Take them to Barrow, Alaska and give them a pick and and hoe.

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
11:28 am

sfd,

It would be interesting to see how much we spend on someone’s death penalty case vs. keeping them in prison for say 50 years. Do you know of any stats on this? I’m just curious.

I see your point, but if we are going to spend the money anyway, then in my opinion, it should be towards the path to the death chamber. And, of course, it also depends on what they were convicted of – if their actions caused the death of someone or plural.

mm

November 16th, 2009
11:30 am

Joan,

I guess you didn’t get the real facts on Fox News, but the Illinois governor suggested the prisoners be moved there.

The fact is the GOP doesn’t want dirty laundry aired during a trial.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
11:30 am

Joan

Why would you be surprised?

Most folks buy guns BECAUSE they are scared .

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
11:31 am

sfd,

Actually I found something:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

And I stand corrected. That’s interesting to think about actually, but it doesn’t change my mind about the death penalty.

TnGelding

November 16th, 2009
11:32 am

Just playing politics, as usual. And why not? We’ve proven how stupid and gullible we are.

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
11:34 am

It would be interesting to see how much we spend on someone’s death penalty case vs. keeping them in prison for say 50 years.

Well, the rule of thumb I see for max-security prisoners is around 30 grand per year. that is a lot of money, obviously. But compared to a legal team billing work at 250-500 per hour? And remember that’s just for their defense; our Justice department doesn’t work for free.

Kamchak

November 16th, 2009
11:35 am

I am surprised that you think Republicans are scared.

Why is it that you are surprised? The fear is spelled out in this passage of that letter:

If your Administration brings Al Qaeda terrorists to Illinois, our state and the Chicago Metropolitan Area will become ground zero for Jihadist terrorist plots, recruitment and radicalization.

And this one:

As home to America’s tallest building, we should not invite Al Qaeda to make Illinois its number one target.

And this one:

Al Qaeda terrorists should stay where they cannot endanger American citizens.

And finally, this one:

As elected officials in the State of Illinois, we urge you to put the safety and security of Illinois families first and stop any plan to transfer Al Qaeda terrorists to our state.

Reading is fundamental—geez.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
11:35 am

mm

I think you hit the nail on the head……

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November 16th, 2009
11:37 am

They seem to think that Islamic terrorists can melt steel prison bars by staring at them, that they can shape-shift themselves right out of federal Supermax custody.

What about the ones already outside of the bars who would be able to kidnap and hold hostage the families of the prison guards?

Or bomb them?

Joan

November 16th, 2009
11:41 am

That was on the list of things I predicted would happen if Obama became president: The Sears Tower would blow. The market would crash (did in Feb); A major US corporation would move go offshore–Anheuser Busch; a terrorist would attack–Ft. Hood. So far I am batting 75%.

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
11:43 am

That was on the list of things I predicted would happen if Obama became president

Cite, please.

Jay

November 16th, 2009
11:44 am

“What about the ones already outside of the bars who would be able to kidnap and hold hostage the families of the prison guards?

Or bomb them?”

Yeah, what about them?

You mean al Qaida isn’t already out there trying to do as much harm as possible? You mean that the Mafia, the Mexican drug cartels and prison gangs don’t already have incentive to do those things?

What exactly has you so frightened? Maybe we shouldn’t put the names of dead soldiers in the paper, so al Qaida won’t know to attack them. Maybe we should hide the names of our congressmen?

Just how far do you want to push this lunacy? The funny thing is, you know better.

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
11:45 am

“It would be interesting to see how much we spend on someone’s death penalty case vs. keeping them in prison for say 50 years. Do you know of any stats on this? I’m just curious.”

It very much depends on where they are. This site: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/statsbrief/cost.html says that it costs “It costs $55.09 on average per day or $20,108 per year to keep an inmate in prison (FY0708)” date June 2009

Someone asked the same question on Yahoo Answers http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081023052221AAkjPoI and teh figure there is $22,000 per year, and the answer is dated “1 year ago”

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
11:46 am

“But compared to a legal team billing work at 250-500 per hour? And remember that’s just for their defense; our Justice department doesn’t work for free.”

Didn’t Jay cover this topic the other day? I wasn’t around much for that.

I’ll admit that’s not a great way to spend our cash, but I don’t think we should do away with it. It’s a quagmire. And, yes, I’ll admit that with me, as with many people who believe in the death penalty is more about being vengeful – which isn’t a good trait, but still.

But again, you are right – that is a pretty bogus argument, from me – so thanks for pointing that out!

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November 16th, 2009
11:47 am

The Russians know that “cap and tax” would destroy the US economy, so they blackmail the dimwit liberals in their own ecoterror speak-

Russia’s Medvedev warns of climate catastrophe

Helping us along to our demise.

Normal

November 16th, 2009
11:49 am

Been real busy this morning and taking lunch now.

My thoughts are basically of surprise. I suppose I agree with Jay that the Illinois Senators are politically motivated, but it seems to me that trying them here is the most American thing to do, especially if they are associated with 911. They hit here, so try them here and if found quilty sentence them here and put them away for life here, and make their life a living hell of solitary confinement.

…And if you are truly worried about reprisals, bring our troops home to secure our borders and ports. Let them protect someone who appreciates their efforts.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 16th, 2009
11:50 am

Perhaps the kenyan could regale the Gitmo prisoners with one of his grand speeches, ya know kinda “muslim to muslim”, then they might see the error their ways.

Or better yet and after said “regaling” the kenyan might have inspired them to scream “allah akbart” and they will take themselves out…of course leaving the kenyan untouched.

Midori

November 16th, 2009
11:54 am

Jay,

I must confess — I didn’t know you had it in you.

this is HILARIOUS!!! :lol:

Lord Help Us

November 16th, 2009
11:56 am

I say we ship them back to Afghanistan…so we can ‘fight them over there instead of fighting them over here…’

That worked out so well the first time…

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
11:58 am

Hi Midori! Have a nice weekend?

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
12:00 pm

In my opinion, most Americans are just generally scared – they are scared of people not like them, they are scared of losing their money, they are scared of getting sick, they are scared someone will rob them and kill them or their family, they are scared their identities will be stolen, they are scared of losing their house, they are scared of losing their stuff.

They are scared. And we perpetuate that in so many ways it’s hard to keep count.

Lunchtime!!!!

N-GA

November 16th, 2009
12:00 pm

It’s really AMAZING !!!

“According to the Chicago Tribune, your Administration may transfer up to 200 Al Qaeda terrorists from their detention facility in Guantanamo Bay a prison in Thomson, Illinois, 150 miles from Chicago.”

Those GOP congressmen must be FRENCH ! Guilty until proven innocent. lol

Midori

November 16th, 2009
12:02 pm

Hi Boschie — got a lot of work done :)

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:03 pm

Oh, and BTW…the GOP leadership is not scared, they just want their base to be scared

N-GA

November 16th, 2009
12:04 pm

Why not put them in prison with Duke Cunningham or William Jefferson?

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November 16th, 2009
12:04 pm

The funny thing is, you know better.

No, I don’t.

Let’s think back for a moment to an incident that happened just last week, I know that the libs are in denial, but a Muslim terrorist found a target of opportunity and took the jihad to it.

You libs are offering them many, many more targets of opportunity.

@@

November 16th, 2009
12:05 pm

I think you may have missed their point, jay. How about attacks from the outside to secure freedom for the terrorists inside?

Have you forgotten about David Headley, “suspected” terrorist in the Mumbai attack? His Chicago connections? Rana, a Canadian national with an immigration business in the windy city where he secured visas for Pakistanis?

The F.B.I. is having a difficult time tracing down his connections in Chicago.

During his trips to India, Headley, who has been arrested by the FBI on October 3 on charges of conspiring to carry out terror strikes in and outside the US, had visited Ahmedabad, Lucknow, Agra and Delhi besides establishing an office in Mumbai.

So this is how Obama pays back the voters in Illinois who helped put him in the WH?

If the security of Illinois’ residents doesn’t matter to Obama, why should it matter to me?

I think it’s a great idea! Illinois’ democrats Git mo votes in 2010? Will Obama Git mo votes in 2012?

I’m thinking NOT!

An excellent adventure into the unknown.

Taxpayer

November 16th, 2009
12:06 pm

I got some extra room on my property to hold those mean and nasty superhuman terrorists. How much will the scared Republicans pay me to take them off their hands. Just give me a price person for room and waterboard so I can run the numbers.

Hard Right Hook

November 16th, 2009
12:06 pm

Finn McCool

November 16th, 2009
10:49 am
Call It Like It Is,

Cowards

Libtards = brainless, innane, stultifying.

Each libtard that advocates dumping a terrorist into someone elses backyard should mentor a terrorist in their own house, at their own expense. You could teach them to eat with a fork, bath and have Acorn register them to vote. I liberal panacea, what?

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:09 pm

“How about attacks from the outside to secure freedom for the terrorists inside?”

How many attacks have there been to free Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin and Ahmad Ajaj?

pat

November 16th, 2009
12:13 pm

Yeah, you’re reaching. There is an inherent risk to housing high profile terrorists near you. Other terrorists want their freedom. It is flat stupid to ignore this risk or pretend it does not exist. There are those even with in our own borders who regard these guys as heros.

I really don’t see the big deal keeping them at Gitmo. The place is what you make it, if you want them to be more comfortable and happy just make them better digs there?

This whole crap about moving them is a just a show, it doesn’t matter where you put them. Where ever they put them, it better be secure.

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:14 pm

“Where ever they put them, it better be secure”

Rest easy…it will be.

Swami Dave

November 16th, 2009
12:16 pm

Jay:

“Just how far do you want to push this lunacy? The funny thing is, you know better.”

We have a completed facility at Gitmo for trying these individuals and a secure facility to incarcerate them. The best option is to the house them in the facility that was built to do it and try them in the building that we built to do it!

The funny thing is that -you- know better!

-SD

bob

November 16th, 2009
12:17 pm

What about the fact that these thugs get rights in an American court. It might just become a total joke. Without Miranda, what evidence gets thrown out. As for repubs being afraid, thats a joke, it’s not repubs looking to nancy Pelosi to help cope with the real world. help me, I can’t save for retirement, I can’t buy insurance, I can’t figure out things many in America have had no problem with, help me help me, I’m a progressive and can’t cope.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 16th, 2009
12:17 pm

Instead of housing them lets just cut off their heads, film it then post it the internet.

Taxpayer

November 16th, 2009
12:18 pm

The James Gang is comin to town to git out there outlaw brothers and Wild Bill Hiccup is at the jail all by hisself. We better deputize @@. Where is them thar Pinkerton boys when you need them.

Normal

November 16th, 2009
12:19 pm

I can’t believe what I am reading. Nobody can be that frightened. This is OUR country, and they hit here, so like I said, try them here, convict them here and put them away here. Then take the proper steps to prevent them from coming back. Bring our troops home to protect our ports and borders….or do exactly what they want and hide under your beds, your choice.

Midori

November 16th, 2009
12:21 pm

Three prominent conservatives warned in a joint statement against Republican “scaremongering” on Guantanamo Bay detainees, saying the prison in Thomson, Illinois would be fine to handle them.

Former Republican Congressman and Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr, David Keene, chairman of the American Conservative Union and Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, have teamed up to urge the Gitmo detainees be taken to the U.S.

“The scaremongering about these issues should stop,” Barr, Keene and Norquist wrote.

“Civilian federal courts are the proper forum for terrorism cases,” they wrote. “Civilian prisons are the safe, cost effective and appropriate venue to hold persons in federal courts.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/conservative…

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
12:23 pm

“The scaremongering about these issues should stop,” Barr, Keene and Norquist wrote.

You don’t say. I may just have to take “drown Grover in a bathtub” off my to-do list.

Taxpayer

November 16th, 2009
12:24 pm

Now that we done disbanded the federalies for lack of taxes to pay for their services, who is gonna pertect our banks and our wimmen folk and our chitlins. We dun used up all our good will with the Chinamen and so they won’t even lay no more track so’s we can get the heck outta dodge. We is all doomed. I wonder if that feller with that Automag is fer hire cheap now that he’s gone and got older. Maybe he will work for health insurance. We still got a dentist in town.

Midori

November 16th, 2009
12:25 pm

nah Stands, leave him on it.

he’s still a moran :)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 16th, 2009
12:25 pm

Well, I’m dead set against moving these Terrists to Illinois, like this Obama wants to do.

Now if a good Conservative Republican gets elected to the White House in 2012, I might could consider it. Not that I’m playing politics with this thing, you understand.

Anyhow, my map says it’s only about 975 miles from Illinois to Simpsons Trailer Park. That puts me and the missus and little Sonny Zell George in danger, no matter how you cut it. Now if there was a Conservative Republican in the White House I would have more faith in the guvmint’s ability to keep these people under lock and key. But we all know it’s just a matter of time till the ACLU and Soros and all those people start talking about the Terrists’ Civil Rights and want to turn them loose.

Not that this is about politics or anything.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

stands for decibels

November 16th, 2009
12:26 pm

The United States spent more than $50 million to build the Guantanamo Bay detention facility to keep terrorists away from U.S. soil.

Good point. To put this in justice-budgeting terms everyone can understand, that’s nearly 50% of what we spent to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the 42nd President did have some sort of sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinski.

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:28 pm

My opinion is: those we have in custody who are directly connected to the 911 attack should be tried in New York. All of those “captured” in Iraq or Afghanistan, and not directly connected to 911, should be returned to the country from which they were removed and tried there.

Taxpayer

November 16th, 2009
12:29 pm

Whiner,

You want a bed pan so’s you don’t have to come out no more.

Normal

November 16th, 2009
12:30 pm

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:28 pm

I could live with that.

Taxpayer

November 16th, 2009
12:32 pm

Well, I does understand Redneck’s concern and that’s what done give me the extra motivation to play the lottery twice as hard so’s I can win me enough money to set up a double high in New Orleans where I’ll be safe and close to the ocean so’s I can escape in my john boat if things start gettin nasty.

kayaker 71

November 16th, 2009
12:33 pm

Military tribunals are the only way to handle these animals. Most of the evidence obtained from waterboarding will not be admissable in court. When this evidence gets thrown out, what is there left to pin on these guys? It follows that hung juries, re-trials and dismissals are the next order of business. Then some liberal judge who makes his own laws will let these thugs loose in the community and we will deport them to their native country as heroes, just like that Pan Am jerk that went back to Libya. Then it is back to jihad again. Either that or the ACLU will insist that they be granted some means of subsistance, so wellfare checks, food stamps, government housing will follow…… just think, we might even have them on the social security dole before it is all over.
Point is, they don’t belong in this country, no matter where they are brought. I am not nearly as afraid of them and their kind threatening my community as I am concerned that in an American court of law, they will be released from custody without paying for their crimes.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
12:35 pm

50 million to build gitmo

gitmo works as terrorist recruitment tool

that’s what ya’ call mre BANG for your buck!

Taxpayer

November 16th, 2009
12:35 pm

dB,

You sure have a way with putting things in proper perspective. Too bad the Republicans cannot handle such difficult mathematical constructs as “double” or “half”, depending on one’s perspective.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
12:35 pm

Angry Black Man

November 16th, 2009
12:38 pm

Tee hee hee. This is quite amusing.

They perpetrated the crime here, so why not try them here. The town where the prison is located is looking foward to the jobs that will be created from what I understand. Obama said he’d create jobs here, but he didn’t specify how. Looks like the State of Illinois is looking at some good job opportunities as prison guards or police and security officers.

I agree with Jay, bring them here to Atlanta Pen. They’ll be segregated from gen pop with limited contact from the outside. That would create some new jobs here at home.

As far as costs to hold them, we’ve already paid to hold them for 6-8 years, so what’s the difference in Gitmo or IL?

I wouldn’t give them the death penalty, but give them life in prison w/no outside contact and hard labor. Surround the prison with guards armed with a few Barrett M107’s and set your perimeter about 3/4 mile from the fence. Give the guards the green light to drop anyone who comes across that perimeter. That will definitely limit the opportunities for escape.

Normal

November 16th, 2009
12:43 pm

ABM…always the practicle one… :)

Angry Black Man

November 16th, 2009
12:45 pm

Normal

I resemble that remark!! ;)

Scooter

November 16th, 2009
12:46 pm

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:28 pm

I don’t often agree with you but that is the best idea I’ve heard so far!Or, just behead them like someone else said.

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:50 pm

“Or, just behead them like someone else said.”

And what happened to presumed innocent? You don’t even know if they are guilty, but you just want to whack them? I can’t say that I appreciate that you agree with me…because I SURE don’t agree with you.

danjonglee

November 16th, 2009
12:52 pm

Leftist never fear-monger……

Angry Black Man

November 16th, 2009
12:53 pm

Doggone

I agree with your statement to a point. I can’t remember where I read it, but there have been people who were released from Gitmo and ended up as recapured or killed in battle, or they ended up being suicide bombers. I don’t have faith that other countries would give them a fair trial as enemy combatants.

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:54 pm

“I don’t have faith that other countries would give them a fair trial as enemy combatants.”

I didn’t say they should be tried BY other countries, I said they should be tried IN the country from which they were removed.

Doggone/GA

November 16th, 2009
12:57 pm

ABM – the whole problem, all along, has been that they were removed from either Iraq or Afghanistan and moved to what amounts to “American soil” If they had been captured, tried by our military, and sentenced (or released) in those countries…we would never even have known about them.

This, of course, does not apply to the 911 conspirators…THEY need to be tried here, since their crime was committed here.

Angry Black Man

November 16th, 2009
12:57 pm

I see your point. I can agree with you more now.

Linda

November 16th, 2009
1:02 pm

Jay, you said, “…we ought to just quit fighting al Qaida altogeher–that way maybe they won’t be mad at us anymore.”
Radical Islamic Muslims have been killing Americans in dozens of countries in the Middle East, Europe & here for over 30 yrs. It’s not just al Quada but many other terrorist groups. They are not mad at us for anything we have DONE. They hate us for who we ARE.
It’s my fault. As long as I, a woman, can get in my car, in the front seat, alone or with a man I’m not related to, drive, put on makeup, perfume & lipstick, sing to music on the radio, smoke a cigarette, roll down the window to dry my hair, wear a sleeveless, V-neck shirt, pants or shorts & sandals, on the way to vote or work or to my church, college, dance or exercise class or to a bar, the radical Islamic terrorists will terrorize Americans.

@@

November 16th, 2009
1:02 pm

Does anyone here know why the prison in Thomson isn’t up and running? State budgeting problems?

Exploiting the desperation of the poor in Thomson by putting them and their families at risk is not something I would be proud of. Obviously leftists here think it’s a great idea.

The Atlanta Penitentiary is located in one of the poorest, crime ridden areas of the city. But hey!…..what an opportunity for those that live live their.

Progressive ideals….now you see ‘em….now you don’t.

And all in the interest of Obama.

Gitmo is where these terrorists belong.

@@

November 16th, 2009
1:05 pm

Would one of you libs please fix the typos in my 1:02?

IHB

Normal

November 16th, 2009
1:06 pm

Doggone, While I agree with you that non 911 terrorist should be tried in their own country, I disagree that they should still be tried by the U.S. For a “Global War on Terror” to work, the parent Nation must try their own, and if they don’t, cross them off of our “Good Guy” list and refuse further aid and comfort.

Boogers for the Children Fund

November 16th, 2009
1:07 pm

And yet…another idea. Since we all know these “detainees” are probably innocent meek little lambs we could send them to DC. Have them join the “First Lantern-jaw” in tilling the soil of whitehouse grounds garden.

Helping with weeding, tilling, hoeing, picking the fruits and vegaterribles, perhaps also have a cooking lesson. This would instill the importance of a good days work also offer some education via the “First Lanter-jaw” and just have them feel good about themselves.

Yeppers…no one has ever taken time with these poor lads and they just need a push in the right direction.

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
1:09 pm

“They are not mad at us for anything we have DONE. They hate us for who we ARE.”

There’s your sign!

“Either that or the ACLU will insist that they be granted some means of subsistance, so wellfare checks, food stamps, government housing will follow”

There’s your other sign!

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ABM,

“They’ll be segregated from gen pop with limited contact from the outside.”

But aren’t you afraid that AQ will target these penitentaries for attack in an attempt to break these prisoners out – ya’ know like Lord Voldemort did to Azkaban when he busted out all the Death Eaters?

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
1:10 pm

Actually the folks in Thompson are asking, begging for this….
This would cut Carroll County unemployment in half.

The Quad City Times says it’s mostly vacant because of financial difficulties.

This isn’t the only facility like this – there’s one in Hardin MT, the town really wanted the job, but their Rep Senator Baucus pitched a
scaredy cat hissy fit.

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
1:11 pm

@@,

I’ll fix your typo if you can back up this statement with something:

“Obviously leftists here think it’s a great idea.”

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
1:11 pm

Bosch

Are you saying Lord Voldemort is a Republican?

Bosch

November 16th, 2009
1:12 pm

Mrs. G.,

Yes, most definitely.

Angry Black Man

November 16th, 2009
1:12 pm

@@

I don’t know the history of the area surrounding the Atlanta Pen. Was it always crime ridden, or did that happen after the pen was located there? As far as Thomson, I have no clue. Prisons long ago became a for-profit business. I have a few family members who make their living guarding inmates in maximum security prisons. When an inmate escapes, the danger for people in close proximity is no more than someone passing by. Criminals are opportunists by nature. If they know that the person living down the street is armed and ready to defend their property, I don’t think the homeowner would be bothered much.

If being in close proximity to a prison is putting oneself in danger, just imagine how I feel. I’ve come across people on the watch list face to face. I don’t let it bother me though. I just do the job I’m paid to do.

Mrs. Godzilla

November 16th, 2009
1:14 pm

Bosch

I can’t buy that, Lord Voldemort may be evil…but part of the 20%?
I think he’s brighter than that!

Jackie

November 16th, 2009
1:14 pm

@Bosch

We disagree about the death penalty.
If one believes in ANY religion, the convicted terrorists may have an opportunity to go to heaven, which may be a better place than here on earth.

No! Let them sit here with the rest of us until they die. Good enough for them!

jt

November 16th, 2009
1:14 pm

Nanny-Statist thought process-

Importation of suspected murdering terrorists———–yes, no problem.

Importation of painted Toy soldier with less lead than a brass door-knob————-Oh, HALE NO!