The bold decision to try 9/11 terrorists in NYC
The decision to try Khalid Sheik Muhammed and others in New York surprised me. The subsequent whining and complaints from certain quarters about endangering American lives sadly did not.
“The Obama Administration’s irresponsible decision to prosecute the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks in New York City puts the interests of liberal special interest groups before the safety and security of the American people,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner.
Historically, there’s nothing new about it. We tried the top Nazis, and would have tried Hitler himself had he survived the war. Serbian war criminals are being tried in the Hague as we debate this issue. And we are more than capable of ensuring that Mohammed and his four co-conspirators never harm another soul, whether they are held in Guantanamo or blocks from the scene of their hideous crime.
It’ll be interesting to see how the courts handle the question of waterboarding. You have to assume that the issue has been thoroughly debated within the Justice Department and that they are confident in their strategy. And they would not have taken this course if there was any doubt whatsoever about its outcome.
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N-GA
November 14th, 2009
10:05 am
Jay,
The rabid right wouldn’t even try these people…they would lynch them.
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:06 am
JAY–thanks for the new thread, downstairs was threatening to get nasty and ruin the really good mood you set last night
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
10:10 am
Anytime the Repubos are weeweed up to the Max, I get happy.
Maybe these people coming to America for trial will go after the pansy children of Leiberman, Chambliss, Issacson, Purdue, and all the bumper sticker patriot Repubos who want colored people to fight in Afghanistan so their kids can stay in comfortable college dorms or in some cases comfortable McDonalds franchises selling burgers.
Kahlid Shied Mohammed will be boppin’ into the Wall Street area which should mean a whole new group of pics from his facebook page.
This has the tough white men Republicans all wee weed up to the max in between their cheering for people of color to get in their and fight in Afghanistan while their chilluns fight for more tail and more booze in Athens Georgia and other sites for colleges whose teachers are barely literate.
The average Tbagger is more dangerous toting guns to rallies.
The McCain camp is producing documentation that makes Dumocuda a liar about being billed for her vetting. What kind of person needs attorneys for her vetting for office anyway?
And if you’re a mavericky maverick how in the hell would campaign handlers for McCain stop you from having interviews? And whose stopping Dumocuda from having interviews with hard news reporters instead of Oprah and Barbara Walters? Nobody but the cuda itself.
Mr Right
November 14th, 2009
10:12 am
The ultra libs wouldn’t try them either… they would just turn them loose because their rights might have been violated!
getalife
November 14th, 2009
10:15 am
Pulled the trigger on this one.
The appeals will end up in the SC because of torture.
This is why the gop never tried them.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
10:15 am
Is Glenn Richardson getting the best healthcare the taxpayers can buy for him? Or is his taxpayer paid healthcare the product of Hitler and Osama bin Ladin? If his healthcare is so optimal, why wasn’t he comnmitted to a treatment facility for evaulation of his potential to harm himself?
I’m with Josef–shows like Sesame Street do a world of good to educate and socialize children and Michelle Bachmann is as nutso as Dumocuda. They are all Dumocudas as is much of the GOP party.
For @@–Richardson’s going for strange nookie is a trademark of Repubo family values marriages. It was common knowledge all over the Dome from the start as are the other affairs there and they are a big yawn.
From Tbogg:
Sarah Palin (former governor of Alaska, English as a second language, snowbilly grifter…that Sarah Palin) is going out on book tour next week hitting all of the big media centers like Noblesville, IN. and Roanoke, VA. and other towns with more than four stoplights. One of her stops will be in Norman OK. after her people were warned off of Lenexa Kansas because the people in Lenexa believe that women who read books are witches, so Oklahoma it is! Exciting!
So off to Norman Sarah will go, paying a visit to Hastings Books (located between the Payday Cash Advance place and the closed Orange Julius) where she will sign books for curious onlookers who have never seen an Eskimo princess before:
Sarah Palin will visit Norman next month for a book signing at Hastings.
“She wanted to come into smaller towns,” Hastings store manager Rob Wood said, adding that Norman will be Palin’s only Oklahoma stop on her book tour.
The former vice-presidential hopeful and governor of Alaska will sign copies of her memoir, “Going Rogue: An American Life,” which hits shelves Tuesday. The event will be 7 p.m. Dec. 3. at Hastings Books, 2300 W. Main St.
[...]
“Basically how it’s working is they have to purchase their book from the store,” he said. Customers can buy their books from Hastings in advance and bring them to be signed as long as they bring their Hastings receipt. Wood said he expects many people to purchase more than one book to have Palin sign and then send to family members.
“It’s going to be a massive event,” he said. Crowd control measures will be in place, he said, but as this was recently finalized he didn’t know yet exactly what those would be.
“There’s obviously gonna be people protesting, there’s gonna be people against and for her,” Wood said.
Norman resident Mark Campbell said he was thrilled to find out Palin would make a stop in Norman.
“I’m tickled that she’s coming,” he said. “And Hastings has a wonderful magazine selection for her to choose from,” he added in reference to Palin’s Katie Couric interview.
When some random Okie hanging around a strip mall bookstore in Norman-effing-Oklahoma makes off-the-cuff snarky comments about your reading habits, I don’t think a “run for the White House in 2012” is in the cards
This, of course, is good news for John McCain. Also. Very bad news for Matthew Continetti
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:17 am
If we are indeed engaged in a war on international terrorism, I am not sure that The Hague is not the best venue. On the other hand, if we are trying them for crimes committed on United States soil, then the United States would bed the best and we do have the death penalty. I am not sure how appropriate it is to hold the trials in New York.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
10:18 am
The indictment shark is closing in on the Madoff family. The feds have his accountant and as of yesterday his IT boys who cooked the pc data bases at the Lipstick Building’s 3 massive suites.
Soon the entire Madoff family niece, sons, brother, and Ruthie will be led away in cuffs and forced to reveal where they’ve hidden 20-70 billion off shore.
Their bank transactions the last 10 years should prove interesting.
Mr Right
November 14th, 2009
10:20 am
Don’t think this blog is about Palin but why are are ya’ll libs so afraid of her
RW-(the original)
November 14th, 2009
10:21 am
You have to assume that the issue has been thoroughly debated within the Justice Department
You’re definitely a man willing to take a completely unwarranted leap of faith Jay B. More likely they saw their self imposed deadline for closing Gitmo approaching and figured this would be a big enough distraction.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
November 14th, 2009
10:22 am
Well, I’m scared to death. These Terrists could get loose and come straight to Simpsons Trailer Park to get me and mine! This Obama and his bunch are going to get us all kilt. We need a bigger, better Patriot Act. Listen in on my phone calls, read my e-mail, check on my bank account. Strip me buck nekkid if you have to and make me walk around that way in public. Do anything you want. Take all my freedoms. Just keep me safe from the Terrists.
I’m going out to get a couple more deadbolt locks for the door and bars for the windows. Why couldn’t this Obama just let the military handle these Terrists? Just give them a quick trial and then stick the Needle to them. We all know they’re guilty, so just do it quick and get it over with. Instead of scaring us to death.
From now on I’m putting my anti-tank weapon and the two machine guns I use for hunting and self-defense in the truck and taking them with me everywhere I go. And I’m going to booby-trap the trailer door so they’ll get blowed up if they try to get in while I’m not at home.
Have a good day everybody and pray this Obama and his bunch get out of office quick. They’re going to get us all kilt.
I Report :-) You Whine :-( mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
November 14th, 2009
10:23 am
The Justice System of the United States is for citizens of the United States, or at least was.
What a perfect opportunity for the terrorists to take advantage of rights they are not entitled to expose our classified intelligence secrets and to make a mockery of what is left of our Constitution.
mmm, mmmm, mmmmm!
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:26 am
Mr Right
Call me a lunatic, but I’m coming to the conclusion that the Palin bashers are really a fifth column for the GOP, blaming her for their defeat in November.
RW
I don’t trust anything coming out of THIS justice department under Holder…
DoggoneGA
November 14th, 2009
10:27 am
“I am not sure how appropriate it is to hold the trials in New York.”
Well, there’s this in the Constitution: ” The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed”
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
10:27 am
What our big strong, brave manly men of the right seem best at is pants pissing. And why are all these people who don’t live in NYC such big chickenshots?
They have to keep up that rhetoric to make sure all the stoopidz in the land (and there are plenty) don’t forget that WE ARE AT WAR. Notice that was the mantra repeated by all.
WE ARE AT WAR. WE ARE AT WAR. WE ARE AT WAR.
See, you repeat it, then people don’t blink an eye when you don’t have dollars for health care but you can find trillions to WAGE WAR. BECAUSE WE ARE AT WAR.
getalife
November 14th, 2009
10:29 am
The dems have the American position on this one.
gop are unAmerican.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
10:29 am
The Dumocuda bashers remain eternally insulted that such an effing moron could have been a heartbeat away from a President with four recurrent metastatic melanomas who was way too stupid to be President, fortunately so this will never come to pass.
Run the Dumocuda in 2012 if you dare.
Mr Right
November 14th, 2009
10:30 am
Gov Option Done Deal
Who peed in your wheaties this morning?
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:31 am
Doggone–
Point made and taken. This is why we should be extremely careful of what charges are brought against them and keep politics out of it as much as possible.
Mr Right
November 14th, 2009
10:34 am
Would rather have a dummy a heartbeat away from being President than having one right now
DoggoneGA
November 14th, 2009
10:35 am
“This is why we should be extremely careful of what charges are brought against them and keep politics out of it as much as possible.”
I think they can do that…it’s going to come down to whether or not they can prove their case without introducing information obtained via torture. I hope they can. I hope they can completely exclude that torture based information. That will make it MUCH harder to appeal the case based on that torture. The most the defendents MIGHT hope for is that they will be sentenced to life, instead of the death penalty, because of that torture. But if the case is strong enough, even that might be a false hope.
stands for decibels
November 14th, 2009
10:36 am
we are more than capable of ensuring that Mohammed and his four co-conspirators never harm another soul, whether they are held in Guantanamo or blocks from the scene of their hideous crime.
Moreover, if by some chance we can’t make such a case, we do not deserve to deprive them of their liberty. That is our punishment.
That’s why you have a justice system.
Put another way, government doesn’t exist to give the John Boehners of this world a collective stiffy.
@@
November 14th, 2009
10:36 am
There are needless risks involved in this decision, jay. I’m not talking physical safety for New Yorkers. I’m talking about the physical safety guaranteed the terrorists thru civil liberty advocates here in the U.S..
200 detainees remain in Guantanamo. What was Obama’s original deadline for closing that joint?
Obama’s hoping the left will witness his offering of crumbs and gobble ‘em up. It’s how he operates.
getalife
November 14th, 2009
10:37 am
Gov Option,
Didn’t they try the tribunals twice and SC shot it down?
Kamchak
November 14th, 2009
10:41 am
Don’t think this blog is about Palin but why are are ya’ll libs so afraid of her
(Sigh) It’s not fear, it’s schadenfreude.
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:43 am
Doggone–
That is what I’m hoping for. This is our chance to show to our people and the people of the world that, for all our errors, we remain dedicated to the principal of rule of law.
Joan
November 14th, 2009
10:44 am
These guys are war criminals, who confessed. They should have been shot a long time ago, if there was truly any justice. Taking them to New York does a couple of things–it gives them a public venue to spew their filthy jihadist sentiments over the airwaves in an effort to recruit more loonies looking for a fight, and it gives Obama more cover for his runaway train of entitlement legislation, which he knows he has to get done before he loses his voting majority.
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:44 am
K’chak
“(Sigh) It’s not fear, it’s schadenfreude.”
I would concur.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
10:44 am
The S. Ct. said the Constitution applied to Gitmo detainees in Boumediene and a subsequent case, and there is a pending case right now. The Bush administration and the Obama administration ignored them.
The pending case will resolve a number of issues. What the dummies don’t recognize is just because you’re at Gitmo doesn’t mean you’ve committed a crime.
We need a few more white Repubos thrown in the slam who think they’re innocent so they start to see what happened to the Uighers at Gitmo.
They ignore that Bush freed hundreds of Gitmo detainees after years in solitary with not a scintilla of an appology.
But let these white Repubos wait a second too long at a red light and all hell breaks loose.
@@
November 14th, 2009
10:45 am
Pleasure derived from the misfortune of others? That’s an odd thing for a leftist to say. Hell! that’s an odd thing for any human to say.
DoggoneGA
November 14th, 2009
10:47 am
“This is our chance to show to our people and the people of the world that, for all our errors, we remain dedicated to the principal of rule of law.”
Amen!
Kamchak
November 14th, 2009
10:47 am
Hell! that’s an odd thing for any human to say.
Nope. If it were truly odd, then there wouldn’t be a word for it.
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:48 am
Joan
” They should have been shot a long time ago, if there was truly any justice”
Please allow me to be nitpicking here on words, m’lord. I would agree with you at the emotional level if you had said, “…truly any revenge.” But if we are talking about “justice,” then we must remember that she is blind and for a reason. This is why, in my opinion, we have to tread lightly here.
DoggoneGA
November 14th, 2009
10:51 am
“Hell! that’s an odd thing for any human to say”
When you set yourself before the world as a clown, isn’t it a tad hypocritical to then complain when the world laughs?
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:51 am
K’chak
“…there wouldn’t be a word for it…” I do find it interesting that we English speakers had to import the word and we took it from the Germans…did we import the concept as well?
stands for decibels
November 14th, 2009
10:52 am
Nope. If it were truly odd, then there wouldn’t be a word for it.
I’m having a Simpsons flashback.
Taxpayer
November 14th, 2009
10:53 am
josef,
If you wish to avoid nastiness with me, then try, first and foremost, to uphold your word to me regarding your unsolicited comment downstairs. As I recall, you said in a prior post that you accepted my explanation regarding the extraction of heat from Palin’s work. Are you a man of your word or perhaps your definition of “acceptance” differs from mine. So, if you don’t like what I post, feel free to ignore me but don’t continue to try to insult me with your baseless claims. K. To do so would just be, well, childish. I’m out to enjoy the sunshine. Later.
RW-(the original)
November 14th, 2009
10:53 am
@@,
It’s an odd thing for a leftist to admit, but it’s not at all odd to know they feel that way.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The real danger in this is to our intelligence assets that get exposed and then killed. We’ll obviously no longer have them, but we also won’t get the next batch and that will directly lead to the next massive attack on us.
It takes us right back to treating attacks as crimes rather than acts of war, but we elected this amateur so we’ve got to live with it another three years.
What is it with all this bowing?
booger
November 14th, 2009
10:55 am
I guess they had to try them somewhere. After all Guitmo will be closed and everyone moved out in six weeks. It’s true folks, I remember Obama promising to close it down for good by the end of the year.
RW-(the original)
November 14th, 2009
10:56 am
Nope. If it were truly odd, then there wouldn’t be a word for it.
So even odd is no longer odd since there’s a word for it. Murder? not odd according to Kamchak…..Bestiality? Not odd according to Kamchak…..
getalife
November 14th, 2009
10:56 am
RW,
He is begging for money.
DoggoneGA
November 14th, 2009
10:58 am
“I remember Obama promising”
But, but DADDY…you PROMISED!
I find it increasingly amusing how childlike the conned are.
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
10:59 am
Taxpayer–
I said I was willing to accept your explanation. I never said I was willing to accept the sentiment. Nor did I agree to not call you out on what I feel to be dangerous forays into undemocratic and illiberal positions.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
11:00 am
RW–
You asked about using a cloud service for backup the other night. I know it’s very convenient and the cloud is considered a focus for the future, but I’d use a drive adapter, and if you can select a managable amount to burn to DVD I’d do that as well depending on how much real estate you have to back up. So if you already bought the cloud service, I’d backup via drive adapter and DVD for your important stuff.
Popular Cloud Services
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/free_online_storage_services.php
The cloud service you mentioned–can’t remember–I think it started with a “B” has reported to lose data for some people which is a possibility with any cloud service. And remember MSFT lost data for T-Mobile users with a server glitch a month ago after they bought their data base.
Before I changed out for much bigger HDs on one box, I had everything on an external HD and made a mistake I didn’t realize until too late. Sometimes the external wouldn’t boot up when an installation or update forced me to reboot when plugged into my notebook (wouldn’t display the files nad folders, etc) so I had to unplug it and replug to get it to show up).
Vista and Win 7 have a little “unsafely plug this device” icon to click in the notification area by the clock. It’s doubtful that a thumb drive or Ipod would corrupt, but after 6 months of plugging and unplugging and not using the “safely unplug” icon my external HD got corrupted and I doubt I could recover it even prying it open and trying to hook it up to other ones.
I highly recommend the free “Drop Box” though for people who want to easily network their computers. It’s got better functionality than Windows 7’s homegroup and it has a free cloud of 2GB, and for 9 bucks a month you can get a 100GB cloud. Your friends can pick up any file or folder from the cloud with a password you give them.
I’ve used it to backup large Outlook and other emails when I wanted to format for Beta testing from drive to drive or box to box.
https://www.dropbox.com/
stands for decibels
November 14th, 2009
11:02 am
But, but DADDY…you PROMISED!
I find it increasingly amusing how childlike the conned are.
I just wish some more of them had the self-awareness to comprehend that any feelings of serious betrayal over promises not kept are, generally, reserved for those to whom the promises were made. Not the ones who were (and are) actively campaigning to destroy the guy who made them.
Put another way–if you didn’t vote for Obama, your griping over this missed deadline or that campaign promise set aside has to be, at best, devalued somewhat.
DoggoneGA
November 14th, 2009
11:05 am
“I just wish”
True…and I wish more of them were mature enough, and educated enough, to realize when a politician is making a promise they absolutely cannot keep…and to simply ignore it.
I think our political system would be taking a GIANT step towards true maturity if we ever have a Presidential candidate who says “I intend”, instead if “I will” whenever he is make a “promise” that actually depends on Congress to legislate.
Kamchak
November 14th, 2009
11:06 am
RW
Wrong does not equal odd.
Geez.
Gov Option Done Deal!
November 14th, 2009
11:06 am
Obama has always been far to the right of center on most issues, and it’s hilarious the right has trouble realizing this. The left is furious over it.
Examples abound. But if anyone checks any court filings or even his judicial appointments the court filings are way to the right of Bush as to state secrets, FISA–everyone of them.
What’s amazing is Neil Katayal who is effectively the SG litigator in the Supreme Court and runs that office as far as litigation was last year the Peyton Manning of liberal litigators on those very same issues when he was a constitutional law prof at Georgetown. Now Neil is in the crazy position of having to literally oppose his own breifs from last year as represenatative of a very conservative Obama DOJ.
Obama is a conservative that the progressives didn’t read correctly–me included, and sadly for them that conservatives are never going to appreciate.
josef nix
November 14th, 2009
11:06 am
stb
“Put another way–if you didn’t vote for Obama, your griping over this missed deadline or that campaign promise set aside has to be, at best, devalued somewhat.”
Set aside? Never! Devalued somewhat? Certainly.
RW-(the original)
November 14th, 2009
11:06 am
He is begging for money
Good point getalife. Too bad he can’t figure out that you can’t pick the guy’s pocket from that position.
Chadly,
It’s Carbonite and I’m still on the free trial. Later today I’m going to restore to the new box and I’ll let you know how it went.